Helldivers 2: This is Brutal..
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2024
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You had it Sony. You had your live service game that would make money.
And you just shot it in the knee.
The game is bleeding out and it has no stims.
You really think that will effect the game? Literally delusional people who have 2000 Online Accounts but cry about a PSN account, legit how stupid are they?
Sony doesn't like making money. Just look at any movie they make, guaranteed box office bomb (Morbius, anyone?). They saw this game was making them money so they "fixed" it.
They weren't making enough money of it. They see the loyalty the fan base was and how much people really enjoyed playing it. So they did what big corporations do, they get greedy and they fuck it up.
This will not affect their bottom line in any way. No one cares. Remember how bad Cyberpunk was? How Sony and others offered refunds with no questions asked? Yeah their financial reports showed a near-imperceptible effect on their financials. This is people screaming about nothing on the internet because they can. Furthermore, ANY game published by a company like this requires you to make an account with them. Welcome to 2008.
"We're not the first or even the fourteenth game to require"
YES AND WE PC PLAYERS ON STEAM HAVE HATED IT EVERY FUCKING TIME.
always the same with these people
*do shitty thing*, people complain, get ignored
*keep doing more shitty things* WhAt'S tHe ProBlEm wE dId It LaSt TiMe??!
Except you've been buying it every fucking time anyway?
@@UltimaKeyMaster I haven't. I haven't bought any game affiliated with Sony ever since they required Rocket League players to make their own PlayStation accounts just to play with friends and actively blocked anyone from cross-playing on other platforms when platforms like Xbox and Steam could freely play with each other.
The writing was on the wall during the PS4 era when they pulled that and it's still true now.
@@UltimaKeyMaster Every game that has required me to sign in to another service to play it is a game I refund.
i saw a post on the steam forums saying "overwatch 2 does the same thing, why arent you complaining about that?" like my brother in christ OW2 is one of the most negative-rated games in steam history
"Join the Review Divers"
Funny you should say that... I have 200+ hrs and I cannot post my review bc apparently I am from a banned country so I assume this amount of negative reviews does not even include people which would be hurt by this change the most, and those helldivers are definitely not happy
Woah. Man, I am so tired of this shit.
What countries are banned from this game? Russia? China? Philippines?
@@sm4sher45 PSN operates in 69 countries, there are 195 countries in the world, so the majority of them
@@goldenhedgehog9 what a mess
I suggest you try to change your country in the steam options, use a VPN. Perhaps it may workr.
"I am altering the deal, prey I don't alter it any further"
this is perfect
We're all Lando calrissian now.
Except they didn't alter it. This was on the store page day one. It was always going to happen. You people chose to ignore it
@@ChaosLightspeedi didnt know. Playing video games is my hobby. Not reading legal documents to play video ganes.
@@TheCursedCat1927 What did it say?
CM: “go ahead, review bomb our game.”
Players: “ok.”
Love to see it
I think that's the point. They likely want the game to be review bombed so that they can use it as a pushback against Sony to keep them from tanking game sales.
Small indie dev signing away their autonomy to big publisher, more at 11
They really need to let spitz go, he loves to fan the flames over backlashes
It's not "reviewi bombing" , it's normal people changing their minds and voicing their displeasure over scummy practices done by corporations,studios and devs. Somethings console sheep will never understand because they don't have free will.
They had lightning in a bottle with this game, and some dumbass decided to open the lid and let it go with a thunderous shit storm.
Sony decided to open the lid with their buttcheeks hovering over the bottle and didn't expect to get zapped as hard as they're going to be
i mean lets be real, people still gonna play the shit out of this game, most people will just do the trivial thing and move on
Yea thats what happens when your dealing with entitled privileged children. Hopefully sony learns their lesson and stops releasing games on pc. Who needs this shit….
@@BrutalFelix82Yea, I'm just gonna wait out a month or so to see if there's a roll back for this account stuff. On the bright side, ghost of tushima is coming and I don't think it needs an account
Nah the game will still be amazing and most of us will keep on playin.
"I thought you were refunding and leaving" I'm trying
We are literally in a gaming era of "Developers make good games, Publishers fucks it up real good."
I think it says something when your CEO is far nicer than your community manager.
Like seriously, bro you have one job: de-escalate.
I've never in my life heard of a community manager, middle manager, nor a HR representative bringing anything positive to a community
It's been sometime since I saw a CM who doesn't loathe their own community just because the majority of the community is made of men
@@16m49x3 i had real cool CMs on our branch of DBD discord
What's up with videogame community managers and huge egos?
Helldiver from Kazakhstan here! I bought the Super Citizen edition for myself and 4 standard copies for my friends. We played for 120+ hours and loved this game. Now we won't be able to.
This deserves to be more popular
Don't lose hope. I'm sure everything will turn out fine
Same here, I'm from Tajikistan. It was an honor to serve with you all! I guess I'm retiring as a Helldiver
You should try to get a refund. This action from Sony should actually be illegal to do, in your case.
"If a better solution isn't provided for players in regions without psn coverage, I'm assured that we won't be making the requirement mandatory for those players. We're not going to force people to either break Sony Tos or not play the game." -Spitz
this stab in the back of PC players could explain why sony didn't want helldivers 2 to come out on xbox, it's difficult to ask xbox users to have to connect to PSN on xbox...
Also you know, it was written on release that PSN would be required at a later date and only wasn't needed currently due to the server capacity issues.
People love to not read the Terms and Conditions before anything and it shows. You all got fucked over from your own lack of reading.
@@MCshadr217 Except they could've set up a lesser version of the sign in shit and yet didn't until the game got huge due to "Technical issue" shits a rug pull, shut your dumb ass up lmao
@@MCshadr217Sony ain’t gonna fuck you, bro. No use in simping for them.
@@MCshadr217 stay mad chump, "mostly negative reviews" WE WIN, TOO EZ, PC MASTER RACE!!!!!!
@@MCshadr217 🤓👆umm akhstually it's in the ToS from the start so we technically never lied to you
You gotta feel just slightly bad for the CEO right about now god damn, imagine waking up and realizing your costumers are burning down the building and the one guy you hired to keep that from happening is fanning the flames on Discord lmao
If you talk about the CM called "spitz" hes not an AH staff, hes just a random discord/reddit gremlin they found to manage the server and he has terrible history of managing servers/fanbase related stuff
So yeah...typical discord power hungry "im working so hard for this server" mod
@@quanlinglingdingle6122 you have ZERO reading comprehension. you NEED TO WAKE UP
@@quanlinglingdingle6122 I wonder if thats who banned me from literally saying " the second someone uses the word "xenephobe" just walk away because its never going anywhere, the only dam thing i said while everyone else was using well every word in the book lol.
No, his shit management cause this and he should be sacked asap
Some of you people need to wake the hell up.
The guy is exactly who to blame. He is responsible for company policies and decisions.
It is not Spitz that should be blamed. This crap should fall on the CEO
And now, we witness as Sony enters the "find out" phase of the plan
They won’t walk this back. This inflates subscriber numbers so they won’t capitulate whatsoever, even if half of hell-divers dies.
@@imaforceanature7297 Yeah but ive already put in for a refund, i assume many people have, all it takes is steam going, yep sure, and sony will almost certainly rethink this.
Read this in Attenborough's voice.
Bruh Sony literally doesn't care, reviews are hurting the game, the devs but not Sony, they neither see nor care thus this review bombing makes no sense.
@@erikasl.7050 So people should just shut up and eat shiet ? I'm pretty sure the devs know that this is a stupid move too, they're not slaves to Sony, they can grow a spine especially since they made an apparently good and successful game, so they should have some leverage.
Furthermore it doesn't seem like this was properly advertised by the devs that this would be required eventually. So they're not all white in this.
When the devs walk this back they should call it out as bug propaganda.
It’s not the devs, it’s the publisher aka Sony.
If they can walk it back. It depends on if Sony thinks they can make more money by harvesting your data.
@@ninjaman0003 its both. why would there be a grace period if the helldiver dev was unaware of sonys intentions?
@@HappyDragneels_page considering how based the dev team has been until now, why would I immediately think the dev team suddenly caused this? This spitz person is evidence of a bad CM though.
The team did good job after good job. I’m willing to give them a little leeway for now.
@@HappyDragneels_page Nah, devs rarely cares about stuff like this and based on how they have been behaving before. This doesn't seem to come from them.
That community manager forgot to add that people already paid $40 and were able to play and now for some , that's being taken away from them. It's not just about creating a PSN, it's the fact that most other games he mentions implement that at the beginning, while Sony implemented this after millions of people have already paid for it and played....
Really borderline fraud if not blatant fraud
Exactly! If it was enforced day one, people wouldn't be blindsided by it.
Steam support already refunds money for it
As a customer: Why the HELL do I need another account just to play a game that i played before without needing an additional account? Enough is enough. Yes, 100 seconds for a day IS a dealbreaker. Everyone wants accounts nowadays, it's too much.
Are you serious , who Bought the game without knowing that sonny gonna do this , they've been doing this since 2008 for everyone of their games , its not something new , if you need someone to blame , is the one who hid this information and just annonce it now
look at this idiot seriously suggesting i do hours of research into every company history involved in every product i buy while the average consumer doesn't even know what country sony is in
I just took 100 seconds to look at my bank account and see what im going to do with the extra 500 bucks i just saved on a ps5 this year. Hell i even have an old account, not the point. They claim part of it is to ban griefers... what? How are they going to judge that? BY team kills? They better get that ban hammer out that first time everyone gets wacked while holding an eagle and it drops on the whole team.
@@alaa341g I never had to do this for spider man or horizon, what are you talking about? This is something new with their new bs overlay coming soon and they want to get the players in on their "games for windows live" like bullshit psn overlay for pc. You buy games to play them not to do homework on it. If it is on steam, you buy it and expect to play it. If the account linking was there day 1 and enforced, nobody would care, enforcing this change after 3 months is stupid, especially with the players outside of PSN region who CAN'T EVEN WRITE A REVIEW ANYMORE as they are from a banned country. So being outraged about this is perfectly fine as it could have happened to anyone. Imagine wiping all the saves as the linked PSN account save will take priority and you don't even own a PS or any other stupid excuse to get fucked by. It is in solidarity with all the fallen players that we show our displeasure as it should have never happened in the first place. If you are a console player please just move on and enjoy the game, you are not affected. The rest of us will fight for the players affected by this as we heard of the term compassion....
Woaw, Helldivers 2 really took a helldive literally
They dived so deep, that ocean bottom seems like a water level in drying out lake.
They did what they wanted us to do
Unite against a bigger threat
SONY (under bot control)
not really, its only russian and chinese people that are pissed off. Which is ironic because its a game about spreading democracy.
It’s mostly just pc players who don’t wanna take 3 minutes to make a psn account
Or people who can make a account and don’t want to go to another game like drg or lfd2
Another 250.
I do feel bad for the dev, but Sony need to be send a lesson.
The only ones who are get affected by this is the Helldivers 2 devs, not Sony.
A lesson of not having account sign ins? Helldivers knew Sony’s requirements before they marketed to their players and hid it
@@PhantomGardener then why did they use sony
@@PhantomGardener they hid that this was coming before they sold copies, Sony didn’t do anything different than what it has been doing for all online games since playstation 3
do u really think sony gives a fk??
“120 seconds, it’s not a big deal”
Except for those in countries that banned PSN..
Can somebody please tell me which countries can not do that
@@v.7232like 69 countries
@@v.7232 Sure thing. Ahem...
Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Antigua and Barbuda
Armenia
Azerbaijan
The Bahamas
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Benin
Bolivia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Botswana
Brunei
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cabo Verde
Cambodia
Cameroon
The Cayman Islands
Central African Republic
Chad
Comoros
Cote d’ Ivoire (Ivory Coast)
Cuba
Democratic Republic of Congo
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Eswatini
Ethiopia
Fiji
Gabon
Gambia
Georgia
Ghana
Grenada
Guinea
Guyana
Haiti
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kiribati
Kosovo
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Madagascar
Malawi
Maldives
Mali
Marshall Islands
Mauritania
Mauritius
Micronesia
Moldova
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
Nepal
Niger
Nigeria
North Macedonia
Oman
Pakistan
Palau
Papua New Guinea
Philippines
Republic of the Congo
Rwanda
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
San Marini
Sao Tome and Principe
Senegal
Serbia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
The Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Sudan
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Suriname
Syria
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Timor-Leste
Togo
Tonga
Tunisia
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uganda
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Venezuela
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe
@v.7232 177 countries, there is a map and a list of them on a web
I can remember only China, Russia and baltic countries
As Asmon said: Every hurdle you put in between the user and the product increases the likelihood that the user drops out.
I can’t wait till Sony goes "Technically, playing Hellduvers 2 online is a PS Plus feature so we're gonna need you to pay for PS Plus on Steam". Mark my words.
Until being hacked by … yeah, anonymous 😢
Now that you say it...
Helldivers doesn’t use PS plus. They announced it’s free to play because it’s an online only game that would have forced every ps player to pay who got the game.
@@ldptdogbone9334HD2 isn't free to play you have to pay £35 for the game and you need an PS Plus is required to get online it's plastered over there own store.
For steam it isn't that's where it's better to play and actually sold more copies but this will now hurt the community
@@ldptdogbone9334 Yes, ArrowHead (the studio who made the game) says this now. But if Sony wants to make players pay PS plus, they won't be able to refuse it. And forcing the player to make a Sony account surely looks like the first step to do so...
AAA publishers snatching a crushing defeat from the jaws of flawless victories is the understatement of the decade.
Seriously, this was on a path to some top games of 2024 lists, but not anymore.
@@CalciumChief Game is still great. Yeah this change sucks for players in the non-PSN countries and I'm hoping some solution can be worked out for them, but for the vast majority of the player base it really is just 2-minute account creation and its back to the game like normal. Gamers are just flexing their over-entitlement like normal and making the issue to be far worse than it actually is.
@@yomammasaurusrex9571 If all it was was just making an account, there wouldn't be a drama now would there?
@@yomammasaurusrex9571 imagine saying both it sucks to live in a country where you can't play it and gamers are over-entitled. You, sir, is the one that's over-entitled and when somebody takes away stuff from you for no good reason whatsoever, I'd love to be informed of that to laugh at you.
@@yomammasaurusrex9571 "it really is just" rebuying the game on a different steam account so that sony's terrible security doesn't destroy your main steam account. Oh almost forgot to start over on your 600+hrs profile.
Man, this sucks. One of the reasons I refunded my Red Dead Redemption 2 on Steam was because I didn't know I had to install another launcher.
You need a second launcher for RDR2? Damn, I didn't know that!
@@jarielrotta135 Yes, unfortunately you also need the RockStar Launcher...
Thanks for the head's up--just removed RDR2 from my wishlist.
Fuck dude! I've been diligently saving up money for RDR2 and this is how I find out that I don't want RDR2?
Now I don't have a reason to save up... Anyways, thanks for the revelation...
@@dr.kineilwicks7002 @playlistmaker5169 Well you guys can buy it on consoles if you can, no lanchers there.
Another detached company from the playerbase
"Do you not have phones!?"
"don't you guys have phones?" that community mod giving off that same shitty attitude.
tbf that's just a community mod and is probably overwhelmed by thousands of emails and deathreaths he receives per hour
@@behind_you6577 If CM can't realize it's just petulant children blowing off steam and not legitimate threats, he's not fit for the job
Why stress over pointless tripe
@@behind_you6577 Pretty sure "Death threats" by gamers is always centered on the game dying.
that is what you get for having crossplay
@@linusgustafsson2629 not really
Gamers send deathtreats over anything
HELLDIVERS 2 Patch 1.000.302
Patch Notes:
•Removed Chinese Divers
•Removed Russian Divers
•Removed African Divers
•Removed Filipino Divers
•Removed Eastern European Divers
Make a DLC for each of em for 10$. Sony, take notes.
I wonder what part of your comment is actually true. After realizing Russian divers won't be affected by this unlike you are all saying I have to assume most of what you say are lies too
@@TOBY-jy7bz also you get banned if you try to vpn your way out of this lmao
@@TOBY-jy7bz
That’s the stupidest logic I’ve ever heard.
@@PlaceOfDestination Not really. How would they ban you WHILE creating an account. If you are talking about the terms of service in which they say they ban you if your actual country of residence is different then idk what to tell you, I have used the same account I made in my home country for two years know, and I am not even in the same continent
Sony want to monitor us all with their biometric voice monitoring AI that no one seems to be mentioning, which is huge.
Its simple. They want access to your data. Why you might ask?
So that they can sell it.
"Do you guys not have 120 seconds?"
Underrated comment 😂
Late April fools joke
Don't you have phones? 0.o
Yeah! I like this type of bullshit...it's only a couple of minutes to create an account and log in right?Forget about little problem when people in some countrys cant registrate in sony shit,and the time come... us just cant play the game! But its not big deal,yes arrowhead?
We (me and audience) literally spent like 30min LIVE yesterday try to link the account which is impossible btw. 😂 120s my butt. What a joker of a CM.
How to instantly turn your entire fanbase against you:
It was Sony.
@@THUND3RzEdits perhaps, but in the end the game itself is still affected no matter who is behind the scenes
@@zergslayer69 Sadly, Devs now have to take the crossfire
Arrowhead was forced to do this. It’s not like they would purposely do this if it weren’t for sony
@@THUND3RzEdits Sony CEO walked on spitz's keyboard while he was in discord responding to fans damn
Part of me believes that because they're losing a ton of people with PSN accounts due to the Stellar Blade censorship, they need to bolster their numbers to look good again and so targeted Hell Divers 2 to make it up again and it isn't going according to plan
While I don't believe this issue in particular is intended to be covered by Ross Scott's Stop Killing Games campaign, since he is only concerned about what happens to games when publisher support ends. It may inadvertently end up making this kind of practice illegal if the campaign is successful and we get strong consumer laws for games / software in countries like France, Australia or if I am allowed to dream, EU. Please consider supporting the the campaign in any way you can. Unfortunately, for a lot of people the only thing they can do is spread the word. It's time to show the governments that there are serious issues in the industry, and this is the best chance we've got.
Link? I want to support!
One thing about the Helldivers community, they are beyond dedicated to a cause and unbelievably ruthless in its execution. Most are acting the way they are because they care about the game, and are drawing a line in the sand
They are a bunch of morons tbh, drawing aline on the sand with this harmless, necessary stunt? I mean i hope none of them play on ps because this is 100% a contractual requirement from sony to the helldiver devs.
Good. You know why, this shit comes first. Then something else and then another. It always begins with something small.
Also funny because I'm sure Nikita is sitting back in his chair going, "Whew, at least it's not us anymore".
"It's just a trivial thing, bro"
It's this attitude that has allowed numerous franchise frogs to be slowly boiled to death.
Funny because their anticheat is the most invasive anticheat around.
They dont care about that at all.
The mods saying "I thought you were refunding and leaving" is giving permission for a refund
YES
the csm isn't wrong though. If you threaten to leave but still keep complaining then why threaten at all? it's just an empty threat because they know you're addicted to the game
@starjadiancloneinvestigato1772 but because he said that Arrowhead might have to float the bill for refunds legally.
@@starjadiancloneinvestigato1772its not an empty threat. Its just that players would rather have the game remain in the state it was in for the past 3 months rather than to have to be locked out of it if they refuse to hand over their data on a silver platter, to people that can decide to ban you for insults jokingly used between friends.
To make it look like those that complain dont care about the game or will just play anyway is just wrong. Hell a lot of players were here precisely because the game was both good and free of the typical corporate BS thats causing the game industry to burn rn, and sony just decided to change that. How do you think people will react then?
Also taunting your own players with "if you arent happy just leave a negative review on steam where it actually matters"... Yeah taunting your own players like that cannot end well either, that was literally oil poured on the fire.
@@starjadiancloneinvestigato1772It's called being passionate about something you spent money and time on and wanting it to be the best version of itself. You guys really are content with gaming being, "we are going to let corporate greed ruin your experience and if you don't like, boohoo."
It's been over 10 years, how do you not have lockjaw from all the slurpies you give Sony?
Lmao love how yesterday I see a short ‘helldivers is amazing making fun of tarkov’ then this lmfao
putting your game on steam, whose main thing is the fact that it's the single platform with the biggest game catalog, while asking the users to log on another platform while using steam, is no different if some netflix shows asked you to log on HBO or Disney
I play World of Tanks and you have to be logged in to their launcher from Steam, it's not a big deal. But sounds like PSN is a lot shittier than these other platforms.
A lot of games on steam require you to login to another thing to play a game (even if you are playing single player offline). It's sucks, but it's not new or unique.
@@cbjewelz The real problem with PSN is that they get data breached all of the time, even worse people are expecting a monthly subscription in a few years because of how greedy they are.
Even more worse, even if they said they'd do this in a few months on release they still sold a game to people that eventually wouldn't be able to play it once they implemented this, and to be honest I really doubt they'd have gone through with needing an account if Hell Divers didn't do so well.
No this is just corpo's trying to impress their shareholders by going "Look at all the new accounts this month we're doing well, please fund us Steller Blade making us lose accounts was totally a fluke."
@@cbjewelz I don't think it's even that. Like we've had plenty of other launchers (Ea, ubi, etc) But what bums it here is that they released this 3 months late. Like if it really is "necessary" to log into psn, then don't make excuses, patch the game day one and make it work from then.
@@cbjewelz 2/3rds of the planet do not have access to PSN , if they use a VPN to make an account, they will get banned as it against TOS.
sony also has more data breaches than ps5 exclusives.
in some countries sony requires a facial scan/ ID photo
the argument that "they were always going to do this they only disabled it temporarily" means they allowed people to buy the game in a country that they KNEW wouldn't be able to play it after a certain while. despicable
I just realised this. Shit! All the things I bought are useless now. Fivk!
this is... actually illegal depending on where you live in the world.
@@symphony_in_152mm2There could even be a more specific lawsuit, but at the very least, all the players that get locked out of the game could reasonably sue Sony for Deceptive Marketing.
Because if the game were properly region-locked to countries where you could make a PSN account, this wouldn't have been an issue, but they intentionally sold the game to places in the world that can't have a PSN account, knowing full well they were going to lock them out of a game *they paid for* within a couple months.
That's something that Sony would do
This is a first hint that Sony will eventually want us to get comfortable to not own our games
Sony pulling a "Negligible" with this.
are you referring to the "BLACK" Company?😂
KUROSANJI KUROSANJI
we've seen company after company losing millions for shitting the bed, and yet there are more companies willing to shit the bed still despite knowing full well the consequences that follow
I bet Sony was hoping to be able to report a big boost in new psn accounts for their earnings report later this month.
💀
And unfortunately they almost certainly will, despite the backlash. Helldivers 2 has hundreds of thousands of players, and even if a full half of them hate this change, between the people who don't care and the people that do care but will just go with it anyway because it's the only way to continue playing a game that they really like, there will most likely be a number of new accounts in the tens if not hundreds of thousands. Short term victory for Sony pretty much no matter what, despite how much they've poisoned community sentiment
The average company experience, fuck everything and everyone over for the sake of an arbitrary metric.
@@AttentionDeficitGuy Yep this exactly. I'd even say it was on purpose to come at a later date so people couldn't refund. It's all greedyness
Did they honestly think PC players would be play with this though? Lol
they looked at tarkov and said,hold my game self destruct button
Sony did not the devs
@@egbert5871 does not matter, the end result is almost the only thing that matters from the players perspective
@@egbert5871 how does this matter?
@@gampie13 It's about proportionality, what would've made more sense is if people just stopped playing en masse. Player count tanks, reactors like asmon get their controversy clips, people move on.
Reddit coordinated review bombs seems like overkill, but to be fair that community manager *was* asking for the wrong kind of attention.
@@AntilopeVS well atleast you can still buy and play takov,no1 is forcing you to pay the 250,meanwile now milions of players may not be able to even play helldivers anymore,opsie....im pretty sure this is infinitly worse
Even if you don't stop playing, just never buy super credits from the store and just Farm them normally for free.
I would but the game loves to boot you. I have 6.... we played half the night and lopst them over and over ( crashes, disconnects). Shoulda gave up but it was my buddies first time in weeks he had time to play.
No, stop playing. F2p players still make them money.
looks like sony took an Arrowhead to the knee
I'm glad to see gamers FINALLY stand up for themselves. A lot of people are saying "it's not a big deal", but that's the problem. They do little things that aren't a big deal and eventually they do a big deal and you come out with "they've been doing this for x amount of years, why are you complaining now?"
This is step one for making you need a PS+ account to play online. Make all the games require a PSN account, then flip the switch. If you don't let them make games that require the account, they are unable to flip that switch.
I bet you vote for trump
@@Stefano-ev5mt I'm not American. But thank you for the compliment.
Gamers "standing up for themselves" lol. What a joke
@@iluvmusicqwe Yeah it's called standing up for consumer rights. Guess how I can tell you're an American?
@@Stevo.100 A bunch of manchilds complaining online isn't standing up for consumer rights
Sony is like the Emperor "Good we have them right where we wanted them to be - now execute order 66"
how? it was known since release that the game requires a PSN account and they just kept it out temporarily because of the launch issues
@@JustCauseFan pony shill detected.
@@JustCauseFan it was announced with PSN then they said no never mind you dont need it now they say yes you need. 1. Never say something you gonna do and revert it for the player base its SHIT, 2. People now bought the game in countrys were PSN accounts arent avaible and now you need it? Its basicly a Scam for those people.
@@ThomasDiesch
Except they didn't say we won't need it period - they said that the feature will be temporarly disabled due to server issues and will be brought back once those are resolved.
This was announced at the game's launch on Social Media and was included on the game's Steam page since the start.
They didn't walk back on a promise - quite the contrary, they did exactly what they said they would.
I understand the frustration, I agree that linking is unneccessary, and I hate it myself - but if you want to argue about it, at least don't twist the facts.
This is the kind of fuck up that even Blizzard looks at and says, "Wow, they really fucked up."
"Forget about it" is the worst think you can do regarding your online data, always keep track of it and avoid trusting it to companies famously known for its security or better said... lack of
Community Manager's Line of thinking: "If I'm sassy, they'll love me more!"
Community: Hm nope
Community : "That' a bold statement. Guess we need to be bolder then."
Community managers are just people who aren't skilled enough to make art assets, and who aren't smart enough to code. Usually histrionic too.
He thought he was being "based".
First you need class to give the sass
I dint think I've ever seen a game do a complete 180 from being beloved to hated so quickly.. It took a single post and less than a day..
This game could have been the definitive case study in how to make and run a successful game. Instead they decided to make it the final boss of "The tragic rise and fall of X" youtube essays.
@cousinzeke4888 but the game isn't even dying lmao that just need to back peddle this and the games back to normal
@@riptidegaming2823but Sony can't fluff their numbers and defraud investors if they do that
I don't think anyone is hating the game, they hated Sony for making that decision.
@@riptidegaming2823 They wont though. Corporate greed is to strong. They are going to all in most likely. If they are smart they will back pedal though.
"We're going to make you do a song and dance, but it's just a song and dance, get over it!"
I saw a comment somewhere that said the game trained people to fight the enemy as a community and then made themselves the enemy, the result is bloody spectacular to watch
We've now lost over a 100,000 Helldivers thanks to Sony's greed, this puts the creek to shame. Also since hundreds of regions can't have PSN accounts, Sony has now committed mass fraud.
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I'd laugh my ass off if we lost all the major orders due to this now.
Calling this greed is pure stupidity. Are you 7?
@@davidwilliams6392 it is greed, considering they're only forcing this on players because they want the Helldivers playercounts to show on PSN, something to show their shareholders to show their success. Whatever money they make from investors, that'll never reach the devs of Arrowhead, its only relevant to Sony's execs.
@@davidwilliams6392 Not understanding the value of mass user data is pure ignorance. Are you 7?
It isn't just a 2 minute account creation. Some countries can't. And the UK and Ireland have to provide photo id or a facial scan, which with Sony's leaky history with data I'm not comfortable with making.
So it’ll stop hackers and cheaters
@Jim-Bagel in a single player game and at the cost of your privacy. Sounds like a fantastic deal!
@@Jim-Bagel hackers and cheaters in Helldivers?? lmfao
@@Jim-Bagel They have banned people on both steam and playstation before this upcoming change, so I find it hard to buy that this will make it significantly easier.
I find it much more likely it's for Sony to pad their account numbers, harvest data, and use it as an avenue to try to sell stuff.
@@Jim-Bagel Jimmy think a bit.
The brightest candle burns the fastest
*"HELLDIVERS 2 IS AN GAME DONE RIGHT"*
Oh yeah. Where are those guys now, huh? Its that done right???
Well the game is done well... the publisher and community managers are the problem... again..
Its not the games fault that its in the hands of a heartless corporation {im talking about Sony, not Arrowhead}
Yeah well I mean the game was done right. The publisher didn't do right from what I gather
The biggest problem here is that they were selling the game in countries where it will be illigal to play the game in 3 month. That is what is wild.
That is truly the only actual issue here, all of those should be eligible for refunds.
I guess all Chinese and Russian people will be banned forever. However, I do think steam will allow the refund.
@@HarrDarr no, it isn't the "only actual" issue here. companies harvesting information to sell to data brokers so that they can spam you endlessly is an issue as well.
@@Fr3k3 Is it? You agreed to those terms when you bought the game on steam.
@@HarrDarrNo we didn't. Having a PSN account would, as linking your Steam account to a PSN account gives PlayStation A LOT more access to your info from Steam.
Thanks Sony, Really, Thanks a Lot.
Thanks Obama.
@kaznika6584 nah this was Jeffersons doing
Is there's a source that stating that this is a requirements from Sony ?
1:33
"You can't make an appeal to triviality if you're the one imposing the triviality"
there you have it folks, Asmond's razor.
Helldivers 2 devs basically crossed the line between people who can create PSN account and people who can't. And the second category is huge and they losing their access to the game, of course they are mad. If devs wants their playerbase be in the first category, they need to accept losing huge part of community AND let second category refund their game in Steam!
Sony - not the Devs.
Stuff like accounts and data management is handled by the Publisher.
If you want to direct your anger at someone, do so at the actual culprit - not the developers who had no say in this.
And no, Arrowhead can't just walk away and make the game on their own, because 20 years ago they sold the IP to Sony, when they were working on Helldivers 1.
And since back then Sony had a quite good reputation, I can't exactly blame Arrowhead for doing so...
@@TheCursedCat1927 I thought the devs had the same opinion as Sony. But if they against it but just can't say it on public.... Well that situation still sucks
Steam needs to genuinely ban REQUIRED/FORCED logins on 3rd party to play games. This is fucking absurd.
Edits: Holy shit, so many likes. Thank you all! I hope to keep the conversation relatively civil, so let's be chill, we all want to play the game.
Alright, from reading, I think a good update on steam could be 2 things; Games cannot implement a forced account after a game releases on the platform. Secondly, when purchasing it should specify if there is a mandatory "third-party" login.
If they did that, they'd have to ban all third party DRM too (E.G. Denuvo). Otherwise companies would just claim that it's it an "antipiracy measure"
And honestly, good riddance if they ban 3rd party DRM. It'd significantly improve the experience for their customers, that's for sure. That being said, I don't think there's any chance of it actually happening
And Steam wouldnt care because they are the Walmart of digital game distribution. Those companies need Steam, Steam doesnt need them. Steam can dictate all the terms.
So what GOG does, basically. Steam probably won't do that as it would endanger most AAA games coming to their platform. Though with their current dominance of the market, they could almost try it and succeed, but I'm not sure the players would accept losing so many major titles either.
@@windshipping remember the ubisoft crap? steam, launcher, game, maybe...
I dont think they should do that, but doing it after purchase is scummy.
Sony literally had a top tier game in their hands. A genuine hit for their Sony Exclusive game with Devs that loved their players and players that loved the game.
All they had to do was not fix what wasn't broken. Then in a classic Sony move, they tossed their golden goose away because they didn't think locking your player base out due to an unspoken limited time access would NEVER hurt them. And here we are.
Don’t know if you know this but a lot of Sony exclusives are bangers. This isn’t the first time they’ve made a “genuine hit”. They have like 4 GOTY awards under their belt sweetie. Also Helldivers 2 doesn’t even make the top 5 in Sony’s best selling games ever.
As far as I know Apparently Sony is loosing money in their PS department so yeah it's one of those desperate yet stupid move on their part I mean there must be a reason why they suddenly let their PS exclusive like horizon zero dawn popping up on steam right.
You really think Helldivers was Sony's golden goose? 🤣 Helldivers is amazing, but Sony were doing fine without it.
@@FairbrotherStudiossure they were doing fine but helldivers 2 is a massive success. And its live service so they could've milked it for as long as they wanted, but nooo
@@keoki_ this guy a Sony chill or just plain stupid.
They broke one of the golden rules.
If it ain't broke... don't break it.
Someone on the internet said that Helldivers were trained to work together toward a singular goal when motivated. This certainly motivated the hell out of them.
In the end the automatons won. They actually did it and have defeated and divided Super Earth.
automatons = sony
We failed men, the socialists automatons took our ballots away. 😢
that community manager needs to be fired. that is the most disrespectful passive-aggressive response he could have gave
As someone who is on the discord, spitz really does mean well, and 99% of the things he says is SUPER helpful, and he's super involved with the community. The downside of being so involved that you say a million things is that some % of those things are gonna be some major L takes, and he's been known to not do well in extreme pressure. The discord by now gets him and forgives him mostly, due mainly to how helpful he pretty much always otherwise is.
Isn't he the same guy that told players to stop being bad at the game after a massive nerf protest to the best gun in the game by players?
@@CorwinTheOneAndOnly that does not matter much, a CM is all about PR, and the players relationship to the game and the devs, and he just nuked all goodwill players have. In another job, you would be fired if you fucked up that badly
He has been behaving like that since the game came out. Spitz has a history of being overly aggressive with the community.
@@CorwinTheOneAndOnly Honnestly, if you can't handle pressure, you should'nt be community manager...
It's about time gamers actually start doing stuff like this. We need to do this with triple a games too.
"Live service done right"
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
As someone living in a country fully serviced by Steam but not serviced by PSN I say this is illegal. I've already reported that to Steam so it's in their hands to do the right thing now. If they won't, well, there's a few organizations here in EU that don't take corporate greed lightly.
It’s not, you just didn’t read the TOS, that’s not Sony’s fault.
@@keoki_ Not illegal but definitely scummy; Sony was selling the game in countries that make it illegal to create a PSN account.
It’s not Steam’s fault. They can’t do anything. Sony is the parent company over Helldivers2. That little message that popped up when you DL’d the game on steam warned you about this. The devs of the game agreed to this before it was ever even launched, so they can’t do anything either. This is Sony. They didn’t surprise people, or trick them. It was there before it was sold. It sucks for folks like you, I 100% agree. And something should be done for those in your situation. I’m sure you would never had bought the game knowing this. So Sony should do something for counties like yours. The rest tho…that’s just buyer beware.
@@keoki_
Even by your logic, Sony is knowingly selling to other countries and areas just to get quick money and then make the game unplayable.
@@keoki_ Just because it's in the TOS, doesn't mean companies can automatically waive a consumer's rights, especially in the EU. If you believe otherwise, you're gravely mistaken. Sony is a fool, and Steam is even worse for denying refunds. Looks like the EU will have to teach them one and the same lesson, again.
It seems that not buying games in 2024 or jumping on the hype train early is saving me a lot of headaches and money, but mostly headaches.
I was thinking to buy between baldurgate or helldiver and now they do this shit really at the right time lmao,thx sony
Honestly, I had great time with the game and even if I stop now (which will probably happen unless this is backtracked, but sony probably won't allow that), it is one fell swoop managed to make me not want to buy H:ZD and FW as I was planning to.
sneaky b1tches waited a little bit till they come around with their great news so that enough bought it already without being able to refund (still trying it) but yeah...best choice is to get a new hobby anyway or just get low price indi games
@@manfredrichtoften8848 Same, Even if Sony destroys the game now i had 130 Hours of good time in the Game for 40 bucks. So saying buying game on Hypetrain is bad in generall is false but 90% of times Games were the Big money buisness sits will get the game dead( Sony,Ubisoft,Ea.....)
Was waiting to buy the game when it's at a lower price on steam sale. Thank god I was a cheapskate.
I requested a refund that they changed the requirements. I cant have a PSN account where Im from. Good luck review divers.
Sony really couldn't care. This was an all-in swing-and-a-miss. FF7 is their repolished bread and butter, as long as Nomura's busy, shareholders will just throw stuff at a wall until it sticks.
Takes helldivers to a whole new meaning
"dont you guys have phones?!"
Is this an out of season April Fools joke?
@@neinstein-says Blizzard.
Lmao shit was gold and wild that time
@@ClockworkGearhead When Blizz said "don't you guys have phones?", afterwards when asked questions from the audience, 1 legend literally asked; "Is this an out of season April Fools joke?" Everybody laughed, blizzard cried on the inside.
@@Killer99215that red shirt dude, I’d like to shake his hand for that burn 😂
This is most likely Sony demanding this change (not the devs). The only reason to require an extra login is to track the user's data. I worked for an online games publisher for many years, so this is not conjecture on my part. They want to catalogue your spending habits and send you targeted ads, because apparently having a game be super successful was not profitable enough for Sony. Never ceases to amaze me how scummy these big companies are, and anyone defending this decision is an absolute moron, or straight up disingenuous.
UPDATE: I've been told that this was basically a requirement from the beginning. Not as scummy as I originally thought, but my larger point still stands, big companies don't do this to benefit you, it's to benefit themselves.
I mean. You kinda need to see their point of view. It’s a buinsness, they want to make money, or what’s called maximizing profits. This type of greed will never disappear unless the culture of maximizing profits is removed. They want all your money not some of it.
True. It could always be worse and be Ubisoft or EA running the show. We'd have micro transactions mid fight if that was the case.
@@dendrien "Nu omorâ vaca de lapte" (don't kill the cow that gives you milk) - Romanian proverb.
Even is about peasants and them cows, it has more common sense than big corporations :)
@@BozesanVlad tell that to the billion dollar corporation and not me.
You just need to be better informed. This outrage is just stupid. The game listed needing a PSN account as required from the start. It wasn't implemented from the start, but it was on the store page and it was known before the game released that it would eventually be required. It's only now that gamers cry and outrage. I think it's fine to not buy a game because it requires something that you're not willing to do, but in this case the outragers just seem stupid and ignorant to me since this information was made known before the release of the game on PC.
UPDATE: we won. Sony has backed down and PSN link isn't required anymore. But at what cost have we won?
Nothing
What annoys me the most is how many data breaches that Sony has had over the years... and they expect me to link that to my steam account??
great job Sony
Great job indeed.
Now people will make a Helldivers successor without the Sony part.
For if any sony execs reading this, this is sarcasm.
For the people saying that Arrowhead isn't in on this: Their community manager "Spitz" has been mocking people who voiced any kind of negative opinion regarding this issue on the official discord server. He even encouraged other users to spam the "toxic" players if they asked questions. He deleted a lot of his posts since then, but don't get fooled.
Yeah, I don't know why they have community managers that don't understand that their job isn't to dump fuel into the inferno.
Bro spitz should get fired, he is omega toxic in a non funny way, and behaves like this every single patch, such an incompetent mother fucker
Oh i remember that guy lmao
@@NitroStarmanJust your average Discord mod.
It's their job to create a "hierarchical structure" in whichever server they're handling by doing so they also force formalities onto others and act arrogantly so, even as far as to morph the meaning of the rules to fit their interest.
Yeah CMs lashing out at players isn't really a good look. I don't care how "toxic" they are, you don't throw mud at players when they lob criticisms at the company
I feel so bad for the ceo though man, he's been such a gem throughout the whole process
It seems our enemy wasn't bugs or walking machines. But a chaos god trying to corrupt super earth. And success in it...
Yes, use 120 seconds to register and forget about it. So we can spam your mail while you are not looking.
Then have our network hacked and subsequently have YOUR private data siphoned off while leaving a backdoor to YOUR Steam account
Sony will also use this to police in-game speech
@@JanstonCordell It's just a way to hijack bans.
Wasn't the issue that Playstation Network isn't just available in like 60 countries and the rest of the players would need an VPN to play this game?
@@Woodception it's a part of trouble,where is also thing with horrid PSN security which have data leaks more often than average man going to local grocery store and where is certain amount of people who use only steam and purposely avoiding any other game which requires you to log into third party account
As if censoring a rated m game wasn't bad enough
Its crazy how covering boobs is more important than a game dying
@@madmonty4761 Its funny how sexual appeal is frowned upon and games about killing endless waves of civilians are glorified. This world is upside down
@@madmonty4761 "it's just covering boobs"
"it's just 120 seconds entering an email address and a password"
Gtfo lmao you're too imbecilic for this conversation.
@@madmonty4761 "it's just covering boobs"
"it's just 120 seconds entering an email and password"
Get out lol you ain't mentally equipped for this conversation.
Even the censoring is not consistent.
Remember TLoU2 and the explicit s*x scene?
Its a mighty honor to be mentioned out of the blue by name rather than by the group you represent, Proud of you Phillippines!
And part of why I wait until about a year before picking up a game...
unfortunate...
I might have to start doing that too. At least by then the game is still good or dead so no need to waste money on it.
For people saying “this won’t hurt Sony. They don’t give AF.”
You forget, this is a multiplayer Sony EXCLUSIVE. They’ve been trying to create this gaming genre on their platform for GENERATIONS of consoles. They’re already struggling to push out Sony exclusive games this generation and now they shit over the biggest one they’ve had.
A huge shit stain like this on their reputation of exclusive games is exactly what they don’t want, especially with Stellar blade, Concord, Wolverine and Death Stranding 2 coming down the pipeline. That’s their money makers. Fuck ’em. Meme all over their line up all the way to 2025.
A mindbogglingly stupid move on their part considering how it seems that even Bungie, their company Sony bought specifically for their forever-games is hanging by a thread because everybody is sick of Destiny. It's to the point that apparently they both are even betting on turning the upcoming Marathon into a "we have Overwatch at home" kind of thing.
@@wallyhackenslacker Bungie lost me with Marathon the moment they made it an extraction shooter rather than a single player follow up to the original Marathon trilogy. I get that extraction shooters are all the rage right now but fuck man, can't I just have one nice thing?
@@qu1253 I wanted to give a chance to Marathon even if it wouldn't be a story heavy game like the originals, but when they announced that they were retooling it into a hero shooter a-la overwatch I lost all interest. I love fps games story focused or not, yet I don't know why but overwatch style games don't really do it for me.
Stellar Blade is already out, amd guess what, Sony meddled with that too and now it's lost a chunk of its player base.
2 weeks in a row they've meddled, 2 weeks in a row they've hurt great games.
These companies should be looking for legal compensation against Sony.
Helldivers 2 especially had a seemingly bright future, and Sony just came in and s%%t all over it.
@wally… Destiny is still better than Helldivers. Every single month I hear about games like Helldivers, they never last a year. Destiny is in year 7. Helldivers couldn’t last 7 months. GTFOH with your nonsense.
It takes months to build a community and one action to ruin it.
To be fair, they went through a dozen bad moves here.
Agree, even if they backpedal now, the damage is done, each time helldiver is mention they will always mention this moment for the game entire lifespan
This is such a trivial issue and people are treating it like it’s the holocaust.
@@Devin7Eleven If it's trivial, then so is the response. But, you know, you'd rather defend a corporation with at track record for losing personal data, then, say, you know, call out BS.
@@Devin7Eleven Says people are overstating the trivial.
Brings up the death of 6m people.
Sony has a certain track record with security breaches. I'm not giving them access to my info.
This may be the sole reason to see treason in every single server.
It is not "only 120 seconds of your life and you're go" problem. it is a "PSN only works in 69 out of 190+ countries of the world" problem. So people from other countries are gonna lose access to their game. Which was bought on Steam and played on PC, not PS5. And to all those "just get a VPN and create fake PSN account" dudes -- Sony International may ban your PSN account for fake personal data in it, therefore, you will lose access to your game. Which (I remind you again) was bought on Steam and played on PC, not on PS5.
And theres also the fact I dont want to pay for a VPN because i dont need one
Not to mention that tying your account to Sony isn't exactly the safest thing to do given how often they've been hacked and comprised in the past, and you can just bet there's a whole bunch of scummy people looking at this new juicy point of entry, ready to gobble up and then sell/ransom off a bunch of Helldivers 2 progress.
People create accounts for other regions ALL THE TIME. what the fuck are you even on about.
They're not about to ban any account like that. I could literally create a Japanese PS account with my own Info and nothing would happen.
Not only that, look up their history with hacks and doxxing. So many people lost perosnal data, including credit card info because of PSN...
"And to all those "just get a VPN and create fake PSN account" dudes -- Sony International may ban your PSN account for fake personal data in it"... making up a poor excuse in reply to a dumb idea isn't a good way of winning. You aren't going to need to put in fake info and sony isn't going to care.
The real problem is the requirement and instead of worrying about VPNs you should be worrying about sony doing dumb things.
Helps to know that Spitz was the CM in charge of the Unofficial Helldivers Discord, and during a time where people were being banned cause of spamming 'F' due to Steam servers borking, he decided alone to delete the whole Discord that had been a community hub for years for the first game. The guy can't read a room.
I guess companies need to learn that making random online weirdos into “community managers” might save money but is a pretty dumb idea overall.
I have seen one guy besides spitz get hired for the same reasons as spitz and coincidentally they both seem to be terrible at their jobs and aren't likeable people. They think of themselves as heroes for "fighting back" against rulebreakers even to the extreme like the 28 in a 25 zone stereotypical cop. And when you call them out they ban you or warn you. Really a powertrip for these guys.
It's not "bombing" if it's legitimate.
The manager of HELLDIVERS 2 acts like Super Earth government
"You can't make an appeal to triviality whenever you're the one who initiated the trivial action."
BASED
Calling it "review bombing" when the negative reviews are warranted is hilarious lmao
exactly regards trying to white knight their fav company Snoy
Not warranted, clearly mentioned on the Steam page a PSN account was required from the very beginning. Just because it wasn't enforced initially due to login issues doesn't change this fact. And don't forget this BS comes from Sony (and Steam for selling the game in non PSN regions!) not Arrowhead.
I'm not trying to be that guy, but that is literally what review bombing is - "A review bomb is an Internet phenomenon in which a large number of people or a few people with multiple accounts post negative user reviews online in an attempt to harm the sales or popularity of a product, a service, or a business"
I'm not disagreeing with the cause here, fuck sony, but there's a reason players turn that mostly positive review to mostly negative on steam. It's the only voice we have.
To quote Asmongold: "Review bombs are just reviews."
@@Apenoot696 in the steam page it said you could link it, not that you HAD to link it
The message popped up the first time we installed it. We were ready to do it then. That said, I didn't like it the first day it came out and I don't like it now but, as I said, I was ready to do it when I thought I had to when I first installed it. The only good thing I discovered out of this is that China and Russia wouldn't be able to play the game. They've infected too many games with their strange views on cheating.
Get your unreasonable hatred outta here
@@PlaceOfDestination Only hateful one here is you telling another random person to get out of here.
@@Cr4bc4kes ill tell you to take reading classes, Ronald. Because apparently you have some troubles with it.
“Thanks for your service- however it’s no longer needed, so you’re now dishonorably discharged for avoiding 120 seconds”
CEO: We're sorry about how this all transpired, we hope to make it up and regain your trust.
Bozo grunt employee: WhY ArE yOu ComPlaInInG? I thOugHt YoU wErE ReFuNdIng AnD LeAviNg!
this is actually good CM work paint the grunt as the stupid guy while giving the guy that approve that shit some good light, thats their work to make the company look good for the community
Nah that community manager had the right idea.
Consumers often behave like dickwads and he just spoke his truth there. There's only so much dumbassery you can take before you have to give some back.
@@raeldri5867 1000 IQ Maneuver
@@raeldri5867crazy cope
@raeldri5867
Actually feel bad for the dev team cause it's really a publisher thing like stellar blade, made by the team with an echi shooter, had to censor both games. While on the other hand devs like the cm handler have really gotten a bloated head and need to learn to stfu. Like they stopped making customer service training a requirement and just started paying people to type "f××k you" and send to all.
These days, more and more I think about that quote "This is why we can't have nice things"
Darktide's ex community manager Hedge, and the community manager for HD2 would get along very nicely.
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