Note: I've been informed HappyLee's TAS Uses L+R, a banned strategy for speed running since it is not possible on original hardware. I will make an update video comparing the current world record with a Human RTA TAS soon.
@LoganL2008 It's not "fair" because TAS uses L+R by default. How do you feel if we compare my TAS to a real-time speedrun that allows L+R (I don't know if anyone has made such a thing)?
@jmreg08II it was one of many interesting comparison videos that came out last time around. But yes, there is more than one TAS. The Human RTA TAS is 4;54.265, which is the fastest possible way to beat the game with unmodified original hardware. HappyLee's absolute TAS disregards this rule, and use the illegal simultaneous R+L input to go even faster.
I do have a suggestion. Niftski has already gotten a "perfect" 8-4 as an Individual Level. In one of his videos, he does this on an original SMB1 rom (not the training / practice rom). That could be an interesting element for comparison. Perhaps a 4-way split-screen showing Human RTA TAS 8-4, Niftski perfect 8-4 IL on original rom, Niftski best 8-4 in a run (from 4;54.798 FWR, 11 frames from perfect), And Niftski current 8-4 (from 4;54.565 WR, 18 frames from perfect). Now that Niftski has pulled the WR to less than 21 frames away from perfect, all focus will be on 8-4 from now on, so a comprehensive 8-4 comparison video could be of some value. =)
I typed up a comment before but I accidentally didn’t send it this is what it was Yep that run has L+R if you want a run without L+R a tas maker called maru made one
The RTA rules TAS comes out to a 4:54.265, so it's actually not that bad of a comparison. (Personally, I'm shocked that they're less than a frame rule apart.) The only major difference is in 8-3, where L+R allows for a faster acceleration at the start of the level to squeak out a 244 and dodge the fireworks that way.
the issue with that is even the L+R fast accel isn't fast enough get a 244 on the timer while still doing flagpole glitch. 244 with no FPG and 242 with FPG end the level on the same framerule, so it doesn't cause time loss on Niftski's end. All the lost time is only in 8-4.
realistically, it wouldn't have made much of a difference in speed because of framerules and such, but yeah I think a ever so slightly faster strat was found iirc
Guys you really do not know what you are talking about, this TAS is shit. You need to differentiate TAS and TAS RTA (using real human possibility on real hardware) - perfect TAS: 4'41 - perfect TAS RTA 4'54'235 (or so) This TAS is using L+R which is not allowed in TAS RTA because not possible by human on real hardware resulting in a stupid 4'54'0xx something This TAS is a ridiculous hybrid between TAS and TAS RTA and complete non sense garbage to compare to niftski performance. Either you do a real TAS only machine possible or a TAS RTA with strict rules that you Can compare to humans Speedrun..not a mix of the two So yeah very slow TAS and not the perfect one by almost 13 seconds
![[WR] Super Mario Odyssey Speedrun 55:59.933](/img/1.gif)
Note: I've been informed HappyLee's TAS Uses L+R, a banned strategy for speed running since it is not possible on original hardware. I will make an update video comparing the current world record with a Human RTA TAS soon.
Aw man
TASes allow L+R by default.
@@HappyLeeHL oh hey happylee thanks for informing me :)
No, if the speedrun rules are that you can’t use L+R, then it’s only fair to compare the world record to the no L+R TAS.
@LoganL2008 It's not "fair" because TAS uses L+R by default. How do you feel if we compare my TAS to a real-time speedrun that allows L+R (I don't know if anyone has made such a thing)?
You put the tas's facecam under the wrong run
the tas does not have a facecam
@@jmreg08II didn't you get the joke?
@@jmreg08II r/woooosh
@@jmreg08II r/woosh before anyone else gets ya
@@XxX_Mr_PrIzRaK_XxX this isnt even a joke
That tas is with L+R which is banned in regular speed runs due to it, not being possible on an original NES controller so it’s not a fair comparison
@@CCCatmaster really? i took it straight from HappyLee's comparison to the previous World record
@jmreg08II it was one of many interesting comparison videos that came out last time around.
But yes, there is more than one TAS. The Human RTA TAS is 4;54.265, which is the fastest possible way to beat the game with unmodified original hardware.
HappyLee's absolute TAS disregards this rule, and use the illegal simultaneous R+L input to go even faster.
I do have a suggestion. Niftski has already gotten a "perfect" 8-4 as an Individual Level. In one of his videos, he does this on an original SMB1 rom (not the training / practice rom).
That could be an interesting element for comparison.
Perhaps a 4-way split-screen showing Human RTA TAS 8-4, Niftski perfect 8-4 IL on original rom, Niftski best 8-4 in a run (from 4;54.798 FWR, 11 frames from perfect), And Niftski current 8-4 (from 4;54.565 WR, 18 frames from perfect).
Now that Niftski has pulled the WR to less than 21 frames away from perfect, all focus will be on 8-4 from now on, so a comprehensive 8-4 comparison video could be of some value. =)
@@AkumaAPN i can try to make a video on that tomorrow (hopefully before anyone else does)
I typed up a comment before but I accidentally didn’t send it this is what it was Yep that run has L+R if you want a run without L+R a tas maker called maru made one
Geez, imagine being behind a TAS by a mere 0.5 secs. Nifitski is NUTSKI!! Grats to him!
Less since tas uses L+R the no L+R tas is only .3 faster
Flag pole glitch is brutally difficult for a human to do, let alone 4 times as Niftski pulls off.
fpg is not the hard part of this run
The RTA rules TAS comes out to a 4:54.265, so it's actually not that bad of a comparison. (Personally, I'm shocked that they're less than a frame rule apart.) The only major difference is in 8-3, where L+R allows for a faster acceleration at the start of the level to squeak out a 244 and dodge the fireworks that way.
the issue with that is even the L+R fast accel isn't fast enough get a 244 on the timer while still doing flagpole glitch. 244 with no FPG and 242 with FPG end the level on the same framerule, so it doesn't cause time loss on Niftski's end. All the lost time is only in 8-4.
The TAS during the bullet bill glitch was nothing short of insane. What was Mario doing on those blocks??
did any1 notice he was ahead of the tas on 8-1 by like 1 frame?
idk, ьут me not
realistically, it wouldn't have made much of a difference in speed because of framerules and such, but yeah I think a ever so slightly faster strat was found iirc
Yes
tas trolls around a bit since all it needs is fastest rame rule
it should be comparing to the no L+R tas
why does he slow down on purpose at 3:52
i don't know much but i'm pretty sure so his subpixels are aligned for the flagpole glitch at the end of the level
Because the timer would end in a three which would make fireworks go off but I also think it’s sub pixels too
The sky is supposed to be a bluish purple.
There is no such thing as clearly defined NES color pallette.
@antagonista8122 Not in sRGB color space, no.
Why are both of these runs tases
@@AustinGoode591 Nifitski aint a tas but he is really close to it (0.3 seconds i believe?)
@@jmreg08IIbro wdym u just put a slower tas in
做一个禁用L+R的比较更合理。4:54.265，我觉得是一个有希望让Niftski挑战的目标，当然这很难。
RTA vs TAS
I heard a turbo (rapid fire) swimming in there.. 4:48. would that be cheating
That's the TAS which isn't done by a human... the world record speedrun is on the left. Even then it doesn't save time, it's purely for show
Happy lee speedrun could have been under 4'54 if he did flag pole glitch in 8-3...lost many frame rules here, absolutely not the perfect tas.
If he did fpg he would've gotten fireworks, it is the perfect TAS
If it wasnt the perfect TAS, dont you think a more "perfect" one would've come out by now considering its been 14 years?
@@Puffman728 nah bro one random youtube commenter can improve the most investigated TAS in history
Guys you really do not know what you are talking about, this TAS is shit. You need to differentiate TAS and TAS RTA (using real human possibility on real hardware)
- perfect TAS: 4'41
- perfect TAS RTA 4'54'235 (or so)
This TAS is using L+R which is not allowed in TAS RTA because not possible by human on real hardware resulting in a stupid 4'54'0xx something
This TAS is a ridiculous hybrid between TAS and TAS RTA and complete non sense garbage to compare to niftski performance.
Either you do a real TAS only machine possible or a TAS RTA with strict rules that you Can compare to humans Speedrun..not a mix of the two
So yeah very slow TAS and not the perfect one by almost 13 seconds
@@sylvainroche9240 well why don't you show us a 4:41 then