What exactly would the defender be doing for his team? No points for it and it doesn’t change the final score but hey if the person foul makes you feel better about losing then have at it🤷🏿♂️
@@PrettyTone10377 It was sarcasm. Neither situation does anything to help the team since the game is already decided. All it does is put people at risk during the play and in future similar situations.
And that is what the casuals in the comment section do not seem to get. Because if a player who is a subordinate to his coach who is his superior can undermine his authority, then everyone else can do the same so who is the leader?
@dblackzilla Jameis is a terrible qb so what??? Still a punk @ss move to pull that weak shyt, no wonder the saints didn't even pay his bum @ss but brought in Derek Carr instead.
You don't understand the pre-existing dynamic in the Saints organization. With Sean Payton gone, Mickey Loomis is the HMFIC, not Dennis Allen. Allen has always been a lapdog.
@lochnessmonster5149 Doesn't matter teams are like companies, and companies have an authority chain of command, the coach is like your boss, even if you don't like him you have to do what he says pertaining to the job, you pull this crap at most jobs you're fired. Insubordination shouldn't be encouraged it means no respect for authority and you can't have that on a football team.
Imagine the outrage if a Falcons defender needed an "incentive sack" or called up a DB blitz on V formation to get a returning player his first sack of the year.
I don't see how yall don't see how fucked up running the ball from the V formation is. You're just asking defensive lineman to lay people the fuck out when they line up for kneel
That’ll be flags all that defence. Remember in today’s soft NFL, you can no longer engage players who are not engaged anymore. There could be suspensions too.
HIs teammates would disagree with you. Dennis Allen lost the locker room a long time ago and it's why the team felt comfortable doing that. That would not have happened under Sean Payton but Sean Payton isn't a punk ass and knows it's the biggest rivalry in the NFC South and would have tried to score as well
At least Winston is being completely honest. Arthur Smith should be mad at himself at how he underutilized Bijan Robinson, Drake London and Kyle Pitts.
Of course Winston is honest. He is a fool. Winston is a gifted athlete. I mean gifted, the ball comes out of his hands so naturally, great talent. He seems to be an okay dude. He had his problems to say the least. But I think he will have a good life after football. If I was the general manager, I would cut him in the off season.
In football if you don't want people to score get better and didn't Georgia put 60 point on Florida state and it was a learning experience but ur mad at this I guess ur White
The problem is the use of the victory formation. Check what will happen next time the Saints do a victory formation for real and the defense comes full steam ahead, someone will get hurt.
You don’t run a play in victory formation. You also don’t defy a coaches clear play call in a cowardly way (too scared to come out of victory formation). It’s not about running the score. There is apparently a bad culture at the saints and Winston needs to be gone, certain other ring leaders of this kind of BS need to be gone, and the coaching staff need to be gone. Reset after this BS.
Jason I agree with you a majority of the time, but one thing I’ve noticed about you in all my years listening to your commentary, is that you try way too hard at times to squeeze otherwise isolated incidences into your overall generalized narrative on a certain subject. This didn’t appear to be anything more than a team on the last game of the season, wanting another popular guy on the team to have a touchdown before the end of the year. Them just wanting to get Jamaal Williams a meaningless little touchdown in a game that was already far decided, is all of a sudden a further reprimand on today’s athlete and their disrespect of other coaches? I’m with the Korean on this one 💯
@@PizzleP well when you compare his actions to those who came before him, I think Jason has a point. I can’t think of another QB of past cultures that would have done that….on his own. That’s the important part.
He essentially was. They immediately restructured his contract to lower his dead cap hit from $10M to $4M when they cut him on his birthday June 1st 😂 They get to shop him for an unlikely trade before that.
It's about 1 thing, when you're in victory formation you're giving your word as a MAN to not run a play. Anybody that excuses this as "well he was just being silly, playing, or entertaining"... well they have just summed themselves up as not being a MAN of their word but that of a childish boy
Steve doesn't get it! It is about the formation! When the next time a team goes into victory formation and instead of honoring the tradition of that formation the defense blasts across the line and someone gets injured it is on Winston, the Saints and now Steve.
Winston a "national treasure"? No. How about "clown". He looked pretty goofy/psycho in that interview. Hopefully, karma comes back around for him and the ain'ts
Karma already got him when Devin White (his former teammate in Tampa) rushed him and Winston tore his ACL. He also had to watch his former team win the superbowl without him while he sat on the bench. Players won't forget this fake victory formation though. Next time he lines up for it some D-lineman is going to get a free sack.
I'm so sick of the NFL going down this BS entertainment and "look at the QB's girlfriend in the luxury box" crap. Seriously. I totally GET why the whole Swift shit is going on and it's solely for attracting a newer fan base and they are easily impressionable and they will vote a certain way after the subliminal shit starts, but enough is enough. I'm SOOOOO tired of looking at TS, who I couldn't care LESS about, but also her boyfriend and his whole damn family. It's getting hard to watch, especially with the CONSTANT woke commercials we have to see eighty times a game. Eight different WOKE commercials shoved down our throats ten times each during a game.
I don't understand how anyone could be ok with this. It's almost equivalent to me putting my gloves out to touch gloves before a fight, then when the other fighter puts his gloves out, I pop him.
Jason's being a little unfair to Jameis Winston here, regarding being uncoachable and the like. The issues with his turnovers are actually overstated... they're not that far removed from what Peyton Manning had in his first 5 years, and *without* the extreme instability with the front office. He's wrong for "going rouge" and he knows it -- hence the apology... but at the same time a decision like that is something that helps to endear him to some/most of his teammates, and he probably ALSO related to Jamaal Williams's situation -- feeling somewhat railroaded by the organization (and in Winston's case, the league itself). In any case, his willingness to take these slings and arrows is definitely something making his teammates appreciate him more. They wanted to get a score for a player who was productive last year, only to completely disappear this year for w/e (unknown to me) reason. Going from (league leading?) 17 TDs last year, to what would have been zero this year, is WILD. There's no way that wasn't part of the consideration, in this lost season.
@@mikez6683 see him in interviews and the like that aren't from NFL reporters and such, and you'll know he's fine (not suffering from some mental illness). Does he go into a "mode" of sorts when dealing with the media, sometimes yes... i think it's the combination of some media training and his own personality as he's trying to be friendly, funny, a leader, and trying to not say too much that would get him in trouble. additionally, it could be the idea about a person being "too raa raa" at times, which just doesn't work for every person. exactly what part of the locker room interview proves that to you? to me, he just disagrees with the reporters' ideas/position.
@@mikez6683 when he said "as a team" he almost certainly means "as the offense" or "as the offensive team/unit on the field"... talking about the players of/in that group, so it's not really a contradiction so much as not being as clear as some ppl might like. i follow that it's your opinion though, and you're def entitled to it. likewise, i see it as him (and the rest of the players in that huddle) relating to the position that Jamaal Williams is in, and them wanting to get him in the endzone for at least once in a season that was over. which helps explain the way he seems to supported by his teammates (including some former teammates). idk if you've seen the tweets/messages, but I've only seem them trying to support/protect him against all of this criticism coming his way as a result. his handling of it is also helping to inspire there defenses of him because (apparently) they see it as him being willing to take slings and arrows for one of his/their guys... they see "valor" in him with this incident.
@@mikez6683 Yeah -- i've seen a couple of them thanks to FB... i'm a fan of two other teams (Chargers and Buccaneers), with one of them being a rival to the Saints. i continue to root for Winston because i'm too aware of how the organization and league did him dirty in some ways (not that he's just a victim, for the record. he's not without responsibility in his pro experiences/career... but i just know the Buccs failed to position him best ot succeed and the league generally dislikes him [thanks to some of the initial bad press around him]). i admittedly have some bias in his favor as a result of what i just laid out, but i don't think i'm saying what i do out of bias (but of course i could be wrong). anyway, this video explains *some* of the stuff i mentioned with teammates backing him: ruclips.net/video/Y9i-YX_360Q/видео.html it also aligns with your feelings on him and possibly having some screws loose (to put a different way lol). as far as i'm concerned this has been a good/pleasant exchange 👍
Actually, he kinda lied. He gets the play call thru his helmet, nobody else. He then asks the other players what do they want to do, and implied it was a team decision. No, it was a Jameis decision. He, and only he, got the play call
I thought it was awesome. Nobody cried about the 70 yard interception to the 1. And after Dennis Allen took the knee and cried, he sent out the kicking team to score another point. Bla haha
Jason, I'm surprised you haven't been covering "Caitlin Clark" more. She's been killing it. Breaking/setting records, hitting game winners and quite literally becoming the best player in women's college basketball (Angel Who). You said you were excited about the season, yet I haven't heard much about it from you. It's about that time sir.
thats what i luv about Whit..love him or hate him and his opinions and whatnot, but if he agrees with someone even some he doesnt particulay like, he will still give them their props. u cant fight realness and he knows that because he does keep it real. and thats coming from a listener, not a fan. respect Whit! 💯
Where were the rest of the Fearless Army contributors? Just Steve and no one else? Geez. Well, thumbs up to Steve only. He mixes knowledge and humor. God bless Jason and Steve.
In New Orleans here ......Jameis treated them how they've treated him since Payton left.So you're gonna put me in to down the ball?Phuc dat.He(Jameis)will be with the Steelers next year anyway.BTW Jason is there any comment on another 30 int qb Peyton M. and his antics @Tenn with that trainer?You sure cut Mr King off when he tried to broach the topic.
You don't line up in Victory formation and do this up 24 points at the end of the game. It's classless if you run it from a normal formation. This was beyond a sucker punch.
@@DrMidknightwhen was Winston asking the defense or special team players? “TEAM” is NOT 11 or less players. There is noooooooo way in hell Sam Darnold is doing this when Kyle sends him in there to knee it in victory formation.
Disrespecting the NFL? The same NFL that put the Rams through to the Super Bowl over the Saints? Not calling the most obvious pass interference call in the history of the NFL. Kamara literally beats the shit out of a random person and everyone is ok with that? He gets a three game suspension? You think Winston cares? No, he does not. Why would you care to be a back up on this team? A pathetic season. A season we could have been and should have been winning the division. So many issues and everyone wants to cry about this? The HC and OC need to be fired. Leadership starts from the top down. Any assumed disrespect from players is due to a weak coach. It was not just Winston. It was the entire offense.
SAS, the great bloviator, called the Houston Texans an embarrassment when he’s the actual embarrassment. He might as well be a cartoon character which is to say he’s someone we shouldn’t pay any attention to.
What Kim said about Mcafee and the money- I think the same about the Kelce brothers. I get doing a podcast for fun but they stop it constantly for ads and promos?! Millions aren’t enough?!
So people should have a cap on how much money they make? By your logic everyone should have one source of income and that’s it. Don’t musicians sell their music along with merchandise and do tours? Wasn’t Bill Gates already insanely rich but decided to make the Xbox gaming system. Who is the next person to tell someone how much money is enough and how to make their money?
As both a player and a coach,I like the thought,but Im the coach,I have an owner/ownership group that may not like the negative PR nor the bad blood it brings. Winston wrongly thinks hes earned complete ability to over ride the coach n team.
The women getting attention at sporting events has been a long time thing. Pamela Anderson got discovered at a Canadian Football game, if I'm not mistaken. These are not sports fans, these are opportunists, who use their good looks to get attention. These women know excatly what they are doing. That has transitioned into tgem being on the sidelines and in the the studios.
Unfortunately this event moves Jamies Winston far down depth chart of backup QB market (what coach wants a backup QB who has shown he can be a loose cannon…the last thing you want in a backup QB). It also shows Dennis Allen probably has lost the locker room and should step down.
Disrespects the NFL? Get real! I didn't hear those cries when Miami ran up 70 points on the Broncos. In a world of changing incentives, you guys want people to just forego putting points on the board to protect some fragile coaches feelings. I thought better of you than that, Mr. Whitlock.
I don't like any if these teams, but I actually watched them. The only way the Dolphins weren't going to score would be if they sat on the bench the rest of the game. Broncos couldn't stop the offense. Tons of offensive blunders, and you cant expect competitors to not capitalize on a fumble or pick. Should they let the ball lay there and let Denver pick it back up? Dolphins had guys 3rd team deep out there playing and the broncos couldnt muster up enough ooomph to even play. Again, I couldn't care any less about these teams and find unsportsmanlike conduct and blowouts appalling. But those 2nd and 3rd stringers want to make a statement when they get opportunities.
It's because the defense didn't know they were going to run a play. They were in a kneel formation. Someone could have gotten hurt on the last play of the season for both teams. If you were going to run a play, line up in a formation to do so. You should listen better.
@@joshhigdon4951 Now the whole world knows that Jamal Williams' only TD of the season was on a FAKE kneel down in a blowout game. A proud moment indeed. 👏
lol I never understood why you not suppose to score a point when a game is already settled. I think that’s disrespectful, even if it’s 99-55, boy you should go dunk that ball. Even if it’s 70-10 in NFL with a minute left, score that touch down man. In football (soccer) teams work hard for just a goal so even if they winning by 10-1 they still gonna score and it’s not a big deal. I think these sports have unnecessary points to give that end up creating ridiculous scores.
Rare L for you Jason. Begging for mercy from your opponent IS entitlement. To expect others to lower their standards so you can save face is weakness and entitlement. Can't ace the exams enough to get into college? Don't bother studying harder, just use the lower standard of affirmative action. If you're concerned about entitlement in black culture, you should applaud what the Saints did. Ruthless. Refused to treat the Falcons as a charity case. Arthur Smith weak to complain. DA weak to apologize for the Saint's actions. Cannot stand that 'unwritten rule' BS - don't stand and watch your HR in MLB, don't score that uncontested lay up with 10sec to go when up by 10+ etc. Rubbish. I'm your opponent and owe you nothing. Play to the end.
So and what’s your point? A blind man can see that the majority of his content is downgrading someone’s who’s black, I am a black man myself I know what self hatred looks like. But you’re entitled to your opinion of his content and so am I.
@@Bentleyhaughton but I just gave several examples that destroy point pertaining to him only talking about black people. Why is that if anyone says anything about the black community, they are racist or self hating? It's like the elephant in the room that no one is allowed to discuss. It like yall want to hear the positive, rosy stuff instead of hearing the culture is trash and community is out of control.
I agree with Steve about the cigar picture. I was upset seeing Jalen Hurts smiling smiling on the bench while the Giants were kicking his and the Eagles butt.
Enjoying a cigar isn't an issue AT ALL. Whether it's for the birth of a child or finishing a season with all your limbs still working. People need to grow up.
My coach use to always tell me... you tend to get hurt when you're not going 100%. And sure and Hell... I got laid out in a game when I chose to take it easy on a play. I was a sitting duck for a blocker to wipe me out. Surprising the defense like that when they weren't planning on contact put their careers in jeopardy. Jameis is an immature prick and I've looked the other way too many times on this fool, but the Saints need to get rid of that toxic idiot.
Can we put feelings to the side and find any rules on running a fake play from victory formation? If there's no rules on it, then what are talking about? Feelings, right? Because if it was illegal, then the refs would've thrown a flag.
Hypocritical. First you give the take on Jameis about not doing what he should have done. Work with in the system Jameis, but you're out at ESPN. Had your own drama with your own system. I like your show Whitlock but just trying keep you honest.
Tbh, i agree with kim... the coach was mad at the wrong team. He should have been mad at his qb for throwing a pick at the end of the game. And furthermore, why was he throwing the ball in the first place when the game was in doubt? THE Falcons could have run out the clock instead of padding stats.
Dennis Allan lost the locker room months ago! As a lifelong Saints fan I stopped watching the Saints weeks ago. I vowed never to watch the Saints again until Allan is fired!!!!!!!
Tua has the weakest arm in the league and absolutely cannot handle anything that's not perfectly on schedule. Any minor pressure or movement off his spot, even if it's just once on a drive, ruins the whole possession.
Next time Jameis goes to kneel down and a defender blows him up, just understand the defender was doing that for his team.
What exactly would the defender be doing for his team? No points for it and it doesn’t change the final score but hey if the person foul makes you feel better about losing then have at it🤷🏿♂️
@@PrettyTone10377 It was sarcasm. Neither situation does anything to help the team since the game is already decided. All it does is put people at risk during the play and in future similar situations.
N the defender will get fined because the whole will be blown by the then
@@KiefsChingdomgreat one goofy
@@PrettyTone10377 Get a sack, maybe meet his incentive goals?
You CANNOT undermine your coach. once they did that they forever changed the dynamic of that team.. watch
Fire the coach. Thats the point. Dude is not a good head coach.
And that is what the casuals in the comment section do not seem to get. Because if a player who is a subordinate to his coach who is his superior can undermine his authority, then everyone else can do the same so who is the leader?
@dblackzilla Jameis is a terrible qb so what??? Still a punk @ss move to pull that weak shyt, no wonder the saints didn't even pay his bum @ss but brought in Derek Carr instead.
You don't understand the pre-existing dynamic in the Saints organization. With Sean Payton gone, Mickey Loomis is the HMFIC, not Dennis Allen. Allen has always been a lapdog.
@lochnessmonster5149 Doesn't matter teams are like companies, and companies have an authority chain of command, the coach is like your boss, even if you don't like him you have to do what he says pertaining to the job, you pull this crap at most jobs you're fired.
Insubordination shouldn't be encouraged it means no respect for authority and you can't have that on a football team.
Imagine the outrage if a Falcons defender needed an "incentive sack" or called up a DB blitz on V formation to get a returning player his first sack of the year.
I don't see how yall don't see how fucked up running the ball from the V formation is. You're just asking defensive lineman to lay people the fuck out when they line up for kneel
Jamaal Williams should be embarrassed
🛑 it
So offense lays them out back
That’ll be flags all that defence. Remember in today’s soft NFL, you can no longer engage players who are not engaged anymore. There could be suspensions too.
V formation is bullshit anyway. Play the game to the end.
All he did is prove he's not trustworthy.
Famous Jameis is dumber than Jaire Alexander crashing the coin toss and calling "we kick..." and more toxic than Kap
HIs teammates would disagree with you. Dennis Allen lost the locker room a long time ago and it's why the team felt comfortable doing that. That would not have happened under Sean Payton but Sean Payton isn't a punk ass and knows it's the biggest rivalry in the NFC South and would have tried to score as well
@@connieharris6553 Sean Payton would try to score from victory formation?
@@js290no he would’ve ran the ball in fuck the falcons.
At least Winston is being completely honest. Arthur Smith should be mad at himself at how he underutilized Bijan Robinson, Drake London and Kyle Pitts.
Honestly STUPID
The Jeff Fisher of the falcons... going 7-10 three seasons. 🤣
Horrible point Michael!! You probably cheat on your taxes also 😂
Starting Desmond Ridder and not benching him sooner cost him his job
Of course Winston is honest. He is a fool. Winston is a gifted athlete. I mean gifted, the ball comes out of his hands so naturally, great talent.
He seems to be an okay dude. He had his problems to say the least. But I think he will have a good life after football. If I was the general manager, I would cut him in the off season.
2 things wrong with this:
* The victory formation.
* His reasoning of "it was a team decision."
Winston, see ya later.
The fake kneel down was bush league, made the whole TD shitty. Should've just given him a run up the gut
The defense was notified
Both team suck who cares
Be quiet if you don’t understand this Saints / Falcons rivalry
Funny how the term if the day was bush league smh
In football if you don't want people to score get better and didn't Georgia put 60 point on Florida state and it was a learning experience but ur mad at this I guess ur White
Jameis Winston, a backup, decided to go against the play that was called, and go rogue.
The problem is the use of the victory formation. Check what will happen next time the Saints do a victory formation for real and the defense comes full steam ahead, someone will get hurt.
Who cares man up stay prepared
Tell me you've never played without telling me @@willjimenez9013
Injuries are a part of the game so what. That TD was probably for his bonus oh well.
Can’t wait for that to happen!
Come on y’all, this is a one time thing. Lighten up a little.
33 touchdowns 30 ints in 626 passing attempts
And what are ya saying. That’s not a very good stat
I was so glad we got rid of that buffoon. The next year we won the SB. Not a coincidence.
@@rollen9015000 yards passing for of only 8 quarterbacks to do it
Jameis has never and never will accept responsibility for his actions... it's always excuses and more excuses.
He’s one of them. You can tell he’s a leftist
I have no problem with them going for it, if it wasn't from that formation.
Yeah except the coach told him not to.
Jamaal Williams should be shamed
They need to stop it then
Bingo
If you're line up in a knee formation, then do it. Cause next time I'm not having it, I'm gonna slam the quarterback I don't care who it is.
1st time I’ve ever agreed with Shannon Sharpe
You don’t run a play in victory formation. You also don’t defy a coaches clear play call in a cowardly way (too scared to come out of victory formation). It’s not about running the score. There is apparently a bad culture at the saints and Winston needs to be gone, certain other ring leaders of this kind of BS need to be gone, and the coaching staff need to be gone. Reset after this BS.
Jason I agree with you a majority of the time, but one thing I’ve noticed about you in all my years listening to your commentary, is that you try way too hard at times to squeeze otherwise isolated incidences into your overall generalized narrative on a certain subject. This didn’t appear to be anything more than a team on the last game of the season, wanting another popular guy on the team to have a touchdown before the end of the year. Them just wanting to get Jamaal Williams a meaningless little touchdown in a game that was already far decided, is all of a sudden a further reprimand on today’s athlete and their disrespect of other coaches? I’m with the Korean on this one 💯
@@PizzleP well when you compare his actions to those who came before him, I think Jason has a point. I can’t think of another QB of past cultures that would have done that….on his own. That’s the important part.
Shitlock peddles in "afterbirth"! He is useless
Jason is an entertainer. It's a comedic act with Jason playing the straight man. He doesn't care as long as we watch.
💯 I’ve responded to your very point as well.
Riles, there is a reason Jaimes Winston has never won on the professional level!! He is trash snd is an idiot!!
I never understand why they put Jameis in just for a kneel down why can't Carr just do it
Cos Winston was getting crabby on the bench 🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀
That coach has no control over that team.
This makes the coach look bad
yeah, Saints may need to clean house this offseason
Disagree with you on this one Whitlock
No character
@@Jim-s6i3band you do? Troll
He should have been immediately cut for insubordination
And someone will grab him quick to another team.
He essentially was. They immediately restructured his contract to lower his dead cap hit from $10M to $4M when they cut him on his birthday June 1st 😂
They get to shop him for an unlikely trade before that.
It's about 1 thing, when you're in victory formation you're giving your word as a MAN to not run a play. Anybody that excuses this as "well he was just being silly, playing, or entertaining"... well they have just summed themselves up as not being a MAN of their word but that of a childish boy
Jason I think you’re overthinking this one but I like your show!👌
No he is not!
Steve doesn't get it! It is about the formation! When the next time a team goes into victory formation and instead of honoring the tradition of that formation the defense blasts across the line and someone gets injured it is on Winston, the Saints and now Steve.
regular journos dumb AF... sports journos even dumber...
Lmao so another man isn't gonna be responsible for what he decided to do we just gonna blame winston every time? That's pathetic ha
Winston a "national treasure"? No. How about "clown". He looked pretty goofy/psycho in that interview. Hopefully, karma comes back around for him and the ain'ts
Karma already got him when Devin White (his former teammate in Tampa) rushed him and Winston tore his ACL. He also had to watch his former team win the superbowl without him while he sat on the bench. Players won't forget this fake victory formation though. Next time he lines up for it some D-lineman is going to get a free sack.
Just another player disrespecting coach.
I'm so sick of the NFL going down this BS entertainment and "look at the QB's girlfriend in the luxury box" crap. Seriously. I totally GET why the whole Swift shit is going on and it's solely for attracting a newer fan base and they are easily impressionable and they will vote a certain way after the subliminal shit starts, but enough is enough. I'm SOOOOO tired of looking at TS, who I couldn't care LESS about, but also her boyfriend and his whole damn family. It's getting hard to watch, especially with the CONSTANT woke commercials we have to see eighty times a game. Eight different WOKE commercials shoved down our throats ten times each during a game.
Some things are unwritten rules and then there are things that are safety driven as well. Hook slides and kneel downs fall into that category.
I hate that I agree with Steve, this was hilarious and they should have been ready but if I was the coach he is gone after that!!!!
There’re quite a few unwritten rules in sports that have to go, like the whole bunch of BS behind such phrases like quarterbacky for example.
@@davidgregorovic3973 if you think it's hilarious than you are a loser
Steve keeps it real 💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥. We trade Jason for Steve Tonight‼️
Every night!
I don't understand how anyone could be ok with this. It's almost equivalent to me putting my gloves out to touch gloves before a fight, then when the other fighter puts his gloves out, I pop him.
No problem with them smoking cigars but problem with Winston…….sounds about right
Jameis Winston, famous "W" eater, has never been accused of being a genius.
Jason's being a little unfair to Jameis Winston here, regarding being uncoachable and the like. The issues with his turnovers are actually overstated... they're not that far removed from what Peyton Manning had in his first 5 years, and *without* the extreme instability with the front office. He's wrong for "going rouge" and he knows it -- hence the apology... but at the same time a decision like that is something that helps to endear him to some/most of his teammates, and he probably ALSO related to Jamaal Williams's situation -- feeling somewhat railroaded by the organization (and in Winston's case, the league itself). In any case, his willingness to take these slings and arrows is definitely something making his teammates appreciate him more.
They wanted to get a score for a player who was productive last year, only to completely disappear this year for w/e (unknown to me) reason. Going from (league leading?) 17 TDs last year, to what would have been zero this year, is WILD. There's no way that wasn't part of the consideration, in this lost season.
@@mikez6683 see him in interviews and the like that aren't from NFL reporters and such, and you'll know he's fine (not suffering from some mental illness). Does he go into a "mode" of sorts when dealing with the media, sometimes yes... i think it's the combination of some media training and his own personality as he's trying to be friendly, funny, a leader, and trying to not say too much that would get him in trouble. additionally, it could be the idea about a person being "too raa raa" at times, which just doesn't work for every person.
exactly what part of the locker room interview proves that to you? to me, he just disagrees with the reporters' ideas/position.
@@mikez6683 when he said "as a team" he almost certainly means "as the offense" or "as the offensive team/unit on the field"... talking about the players of/in that group, so it's not really a contradiction so much as not being as clear as some ppl might like.
i follow that it's your opinion though, and you're def entitled to it. likewise, i see it as him (and the rest of the players in that huddle) relating to the position that Jamaal Williams is in, and them wanting to get him in the endzone for at least once in a season that was over. which helps explain the way he seems to supported by his teammates (including some former teammates). idk if you've seen the tweets/messages, but I've only seem them trying to support/protect him against all of this criticism coming his way as a result. his handling of it is also helping to inspire there defenses of him because (apparently) they see it as him being willing to take slings and arrows for one of his/their guys... they see "valor" in him with this incident.
@@mikez6683 Yeah -- i've seen a couple of them thanks to FB... i'm a fan of two other teams (Chargers and Buccaneers), with one of them being a rival to the Saints. i continue to root for Winston because i'm too aware of how the organization and league did him dirty in some ways (not that he's just a victim, for the record. he's not without responsibility in his pro experiences/career... but i just know the Buccs failed to position him best ot succeed and the league generally dislikes him [thanks to some of the initial bad press around him]).
i admittedly have some bias in his favor as a result of what i just laid out, but i don't think i'm saying what i do out of bias (but of course i could be wrong).
anyway, this video explains *some* of the stuff i mentioned with teammates backing him:
ruclips.net/video/Y9i-YX_360Q/видео.html
it also aligns with your feelings on him and possibly having some screws loose (to put a different way lol).
as far as i'm concerned this has been a good/pleasant exchange 👍
Disrespecting the Falcons, his coach and the NFL.
Right or wrong at least he was honest not lying to get out of the fire
Actually, he kinda lied. He gets the play call thru his helmet, nobody else. He then asks the other players what do they want to do, and implied it was a team decision. No, it was a Jameis decision. He, and only he, got the play call
I thought it was awesome. Nobody cried about the 70 yard interception to the 1. And after Dennis Allen took the knee and cried, he sent out the kicking team to score another point. Bla haha
I see both sides; but I'm with Steve. Eat a W. When Jameis threw for 30 TDs and 30 INTs he was playing for no risk it no biscuit--Bruce Arians. 😂
33TDs*
I'm shocked to discover players in a league that refuses to stand for the anthem are disrespectful.
Jason, I'm surprised you haven't been covering "Caitlin Clark" more. She's been killing it. Breaking/setting records, hitting game winners and quite literally becoming the best player in women's college basketball (Angel Who). You said you were excited about the season, yet I haven't heard much about it from you. It's about that time sir.
Come on dude. She is playing against girls.
@@user-fq4zz8qu4o😂😂😂
Being the best player in women's basketball is akin to being the best Scrabble player in Paducah, Kentucky.
If Winston's antics means the Saints move on from Allen than its ok with me.
thats what i luv about Whit..love him or hate him and his opinions and whatnot, but if he agrees with someone even some he doesnt particulay like, he will still give them their props. u cant fight realness and he knows that because he does keep it real. and thats coming from a listener, not a fan. respect Whit! 💯
Where were the rest of the Fearless Army contributors? Just Steve and no one else? Geez. Well, thumbs up to Steve only. He mixes knowledge and humor. God bless Jason and Steve.
Steve Kim is always a good interview.
He is a joke
Anybody who's been following sports over the past 15 years already knows that even in college at Florida State he was a POS of a person.
Yep. Bingo 🎯
In New Orleans here ......Jameis treated them how they've treated him since Payton left.So you're gonna put me in to down the ball?Phuc dat.He(Jameis)will be with the Steelers next year anyway.BTW Jason is there any comment on another 30 int qb Peyton M. and his antics @Tenn with that trainer?You sure cut Mr King off when he tried to broach the topic.
I am with Kim on this. Team Decision was with the whole team. Get your boy a TD
You don't line up in Victory formation and do this up 24 points at the end of the game. It's classless if you run it from a normal formation. This was beyond a sucker punch.
@@DrMidknightwhen was Winston asking the defense or special team players? “TEAM” is NOT 11 or less players. There is noooooooo way in hell Sam Darnold is doing this when Kyle sends him in there to knee it in victory formation.
Get your boys broken. Its just a bonehead play.
Team decision….players don’t do this… don’t understand team or sport
Steve kim is 💯 right in this one period
Every time Cosell cuts out it’s like he’s dropping some straight profanity 😂
Disrespecting the NFL? The same NFL that put the Rams through to the Super Bowl over the Saints? Not calling the most obvious pass interference call in the history of the NFL. Kamara literally beats the shit out of a random person and everyone is ok with that? He gets a three game suspension? You think Winston cares? No, he does not. Why would you care to be a back up on this team? A pathetic season. A season we could have been and should have been winning the division. So many issues and everyone wants to cry about this? The HC and OC need to be fired. Leadership starts from the top down. Any assumed disrespect from players is due to a weak coach. It was not just Winston. It was the entire offense.
Shannon Sharpe was a winner and reached his full potential as an individual and team player. Another Gomer CJ never did either. Shazam😂
The only reason I have ESPN+ is for UFC. I hope they stop that deal soon, then ESPN is gone from my TV..
I'm glad he did it. He's better than the coach.
Jason Whitlock, take the guy’s word for it and let that go. Why are you always bashing the brothers?
Because he's weak.
PROTECT WINSTON BY ALL MEANS!
I 100% disagree with Kim.
Jameis Winston is “a National Treasure”…….you can’t make this stuff up people 😂😂😂
Whitlock behaves like Stephen on Django😂.. Anytime a black man does anything here comes Whitlock to disagree/disrespect them 🤦🏾♂️
1991 Bill Musgrave: Hold my beer, Jamies.
SAS, the great bloviator, called the Houston Texans an embarrassment when he’s the actual embarrassment. He might as well be a cartoon character which is to say he’s someone we shouldn’t pay any attention to.
What Kim said about Mcafee and the money- I think the same about the Kelce brothers. I get doing a podcast for fun but they stop it constantly for ads and promos?! Millions aren’t enough?!
So people should have a cap on how much money they make? By your logic everyone should have one source of income and that’s it. Don’t musicians sell their music along with merchandise and do tours? Wasn’t Bill Gates already insanely rich but decided to make the Xbox gaming system. Who is the next person to tell someone how much money is enough and how to make their money?
@@TheMaddThinker-ix8qx did I say I think people should have a cap on what they make? No. I said I don’t get it.
Thank God for Steve Kim. Steve softens you Jason.
As both a player and a coach,I like the thought,but Im the coach,I have an owner/ownership group that may not like the negative PR nor the bad blood it brings. Winston wrongly thinks hes earned complete ability to over ride the coach n team.
Jameis is a court jester at this point.
The women getting attention at sporting events has been a long time thing. Pamela Anderson got discovered at a Canadian Football game, if I'm not mistaken. These are not sports fans, these are opportunists, who use their good looks to get attention. These women know excatly what they are doing. That has transitioned into tgem being on the sidelines and in the the studios.
Unfortunately this event moves Jamies Winston far down depth chart of backup QB market (what coach wants a backup QB who has shown he can be a loose cannon…the last thing you want in a backup QB). It also shows Dennis Allen probably has lost the locker room and should step down.
A loose cannon? 😂wow 😂😂😂😂😂
Not mad after Arthur made me lose a parlay earlier by playing Bijan the last 30 seconds of the game when he did not participate the whole game.
That intro and exit music is fire!! 🔥
Jake Browning's girlfriend looking fine. Much better than looking at social media Karens.
"Irrelevant, you're right..."
But you've got an entire segment dedicated to him🙄
Jamies Winston is Gomer Pyle. Aye shucks
Disrespects the NFL? Get real! I didn't hear those cries when Miami ran up 70 points on the Broncos. In a world of changing incentives, you guys want people to just forego putting points on the board to protect some fragile coaches feelings. I thought better of you than that, Mr. Whitlock.
Totally agree
I don't like any if these teams, but I actually watched them. The only way the Dolphins weren't going to score would be if they sat on the bench the rest of the game. Broncos couldn't stop the offense. Tons of offensive blunders, and you cant expect competitors to not capitalize on a fumble or pick. Should they let the ball lay there and let Denver pick it back up? Dolphins had guys 3rd team deep out there playing and the broncos couldnt muster up enough ooomph to even play. Again, I couldn't care any less about these teams and find unsportsmanlike conduct and blowouts appalling. But those 2nd and 3rd stringers want to make a statement when they get opportunities.
And I think this instance was not a bad ordeal. That guy got his only TD of the season and I dont blame the team for doing that for him
It's because the defense didn't know they were going to run a play. They were in a kneel formation. Someone could have gotten hurt on the last play of the season for both teams.
If you were going to run a play, line up in a formation to do so.
You should listen better.
@@joshhigdon4951 Now the whole world knows that Jamal Williams' only TD of the season was on a FAKE kneel down in a blowout game. A proud moment indeed. 👏
lol I never understood why you not suppose to score a point when a game is already settled. I think that’s disrespectful, even if it’s 99-55, boy you should go dunk that ball. Even if it’s 70-10 in NFL with a minute left, score that touch down man. In football (soccer) teams work hard for just a goal so even if they winning by 10-1 they still gonna score and it’s not a big deal. I think these sports have unnecessary points to give that end up creating ridiculous scores.
Pure trash move by Jameis.
Selfish and cheap.
They should cut him immediately.
Rare L for you Jason. Begging for mercy from your opponent IS entitlement. To expect others to lower their standards so you can save face is weakness and entitlement. Can't ace the exams enough to get into college? Don't bother studying harder, just use the lower standard of affirmative action. If you're concerned about entitlement in black culture, you should applaud what the Saints did. Ruthless. Refused to treat the Falcons as a charity case. Arthur Smith weak to complain. DA weak to apologize for the Saint's actions. Cannot stand that 'unwritten rule' BS - don't stand and watch your HR in MLB, don't score that uncontested lay up with 10sec to go when up by 10+ etc. Rubbish. I'm your opponent and owe you nothing. Play to the end.
Ridder never should have been drafted!!
Bravo Steve with the Staubach’s wife reference. Yeah some of us old guys remember that interview
Winston never got a fair shake from Dennis Allen
I never hear this dude saying anything about white people. The self hatred is so evident that it’s sad and pathetic
He has talked about Joe Biden, AOC, Gavin Newsome, Colin Cowherd, Skip Bayless, Max Kellerman. Do you need more examples?
So and what’s your point? A blind man can see that the majority of his content is downgrading someone’s who’s black, I am a black man myself I know what self hatred looks like. But you’re entitled to your opinion of his content and so am I.
@@Bentleyhaughton but I just gave several examples that destroy point pertaining to him only talking about black people. Why is that if anyone says anything about the black community, they are racist or self hating? It's like the elephant in the room that no one is allowed to discuss. It like yall want to hear the positive, rosy stuff instead of hearing the culture is trash and community is out of control.
Excellent commentary again Jason!
I agree with Steve about the cigar picture. I was upset seeing Jalen Hurts smiling smiling on the bench while the Giants were kicking his and the Eagles butt.
It was not my intention to make Walmart close the store, but we made a decision to constantly loot it. Just a thug with a football.
The man that wears his faith on his sleeve the guy who’s never been arrested yeah sure douche
That was the stupidest comparison I ever heard your daughter just date outside her race😂😂😂😂😂
have no problem with it. no different then when Brett farve let Strahan have a sack
Enjoying a cigar isn't an issue AT ALL. Whether it's for the birth of a child or finishing a season with all your limbs still working. People need to grow up.
My coach use to always tell me... you tend to get hurt when you're not going 100%. And sure and Hell... I got laid out in a game when I chose to take it easy on a play. I was a sitting duck for a blocker to wipe me out.
Surprising the defense like that when they weren't planning on contact put their careers in jeopardy. Jameis is an immature prick and I've looked the other way too many times on this fool, but the Saints need to get rid of that toxic idiot.
Come on the team wanted to give a player a chance at a touch down. The Saints owe the Falcons nothing .
What else could you expect from the dude who stole crab legs? LOL…he’s no “Saint”…
Im with Steve Kim.... Jason, has a narrative script that he can't move from.... Way to go Steve
Good job winston
Wah, the Saints scored another TD on us, and we couldn't stop it...wah
Whitlock is the black Archie Bunker. What’s crazy, Archie Bunker had more black friends than Whitlock. 😂
lost all respect for Steve Kim.
Can we put feelings to the side and find any rules on running a fake play from victory formation? If there's no rules on it, then what are talking about? Feelings, right? Because if it was illegal, then the refs would've thrown a flag.
Hypocritical. First you give the take on Jameis about not doing what he should have done. Work with in the system Jameis, but you're out at ESPN. Had your own drama with your own system. I like your show Whitlock but just trying keep you honest.
What I wanna know is, can anyone decipher what the hell Jamies Winston was trying to say? What was that about leadership he said?
Tbh, i agree with kim... the coach was mad at the wrong team. He should have been mad at his qb for throwing a pick at the end of the game. And furthermore, why was he throwing the ball in the first place when the game was in doubt? THE Falcons could have run out the clock instead of padding stats.
Dennis Allan lost the locker room months ago! As a lifelong Saints fan I stopped watching the Saints weeks ago. I vowed never to watch the Saints again until Allan is fired!!!!!!!
Truth be told, I am starting to get tired of listening to Jason Whitlock. What’s your message brah?
He’s not your quarterback he’s our second string
Spoken like a backup who will never get a ring unless he's holding a clipboard.
Mf using the word “entitled” for a NFL game you are a reach!
Tua has the weakest arm in the league and absolutely cannot handle anything that's not perfectly on schedule. Any minor pressure or movement off his spot, even if it's just once on a drive, ruins the whole possession.
His arm was 🐩 💩 yesterday 💯
Never adjusted to any blitzes or coverages. Tua was awful.