Live Rounds on the 'Rust' Film Set: Baldwin Movie Shooting Trial
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- Опубликовано: 3 мар 2024
- Friend of #HalynaHutchins joins Court TV and evidence of live rounds on the set of 'Rust' are examined. The state has rested their case-in-chief against #HannahGutierrez in the #BaldwinMovieShootingTrial.
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How in the hell Sarah got immunity is beyond me.
Everything still ends with Hannah. The assistant director and Baldwin are responsible also, because they needed to have general firearm knowledge and they didn't.
To finger higher-ups whose carelessness contributed to the tragedy, but nothing yet from her.
I know right!!!!
Prosecutors need a blackmailed rat given immunity as star witness to display such confidence in court.
So the truth can be revealed
Sarah threw rounds away. That just screams some kind of cover-up, and she snd Kenny had possibly had some kind of words between them. Plus, they both heavily disliked Hannah. Something smells to me.
judging from how she looked on set, I'd dislike her too, especially in a critical role of an armorer.
I'd heavily dislike her too if I realised she was entirely incapable of doing her damn job
@@endless_universe2023 Right??
Sarah was pretty cocky after the incident wasn’t she? Talking and laughing with Seth on scene while Halyna was being transported by air.
They didn’t seem too upset at all that a live round was fired.
Looks like a frame job to me.
Agree! Sarah seems evil to me. I hated the way she testified... she was very vague, with short answers, and that creepy voice. Plus she threw away evidence!@@poetsdreamsatc
The entertainment industry sucks. The people who tend to succeed in that environment are either sociopaths or damn near with serious narcissistic tendencies. It’s kind of a dog eat dog world. Generally, everyone is out for themselves.
A dummy was in charge of the dummies.
"Those are dummies, dummy" - Willem Dafoe, Wild at Heart (1990)
surrounded by dummies
What a circus !!! The fact that Sarah got immunity shows how messed up the justice system can be.
She unloaded the guns and threw the bullets in the trash! She should have at least been charged with evidence tampering!
Sarah had to drive a long way to get the one box of 45 dummies from Seth because they didn't have enough. After the phone call to Seth, Sarah throws away in the trash these hard to get 45 cal. dummy rounds????
why do they need so many dummy rounds? they are reusable.
One actor might have 25 or more dummy rounds in the slots exposed on the back of his gunbelt/holster and six in the gun. If you have 4 actors wearing a gun, that is 120 fake lookalike rounds. Some gunfights have alot more than 4 cowboys shooting.@@louiscyfer6944
Is it true that Seth and Sarah are dating?
Their was a lot of false rumors that Hannah and cast/crew were out on the set shooting live rounds at tin cans after work or on the lunch hour. This was just an internet rumor and was false. There is video of Seth and Sarah talking together on the set and Sarah is very unqualified. You can jump to your own conclusions about their "hooking up" But you do not want to further or publish an accusation that may not be accurate.@@AnnieRuler216
@@louiscyfer6944Sarah "accidentally " also threw away dummies
Seth and Sarah are liars... He was hired to be Armorer Mentor and left her in a lurch ... he was also PDQ supplying the rounds. Live ammo should NEVER have been on that set. Sarah as Prop Master should have only secured all merchandise not played armeror. She and Seth are in a relationship and didn't like Hannah... HOW they were given immunity from prosecution is a HUGE fail by the prosecutors. Halls, the first director's assistant also admitted he failed to do the final security check of the weapon before handing it to Baldwin. ALL of these people contributed to the death but Hannah is paying the price... unreal.
I agree 100% That guy is a sleaze bag.
I think it comes down to HG being lackadaisical, unorganized & probably high half the time while at work. Just the way I see it..
@@TyAndras absolutely... the defense blew it .. he brought the questions and never went in for the kill... hope he can get that grease off his palms.
@@michaelcalland801 Seth was hired to be her mentor and she got the job by his recommendation ... He put the live rounds onset... HE and Sarah got immunity... if this isn't an obvious stink fest, what is? He is so envious of her father it's ridiculous and tried to ruin his legendary name in the process.
"She and Seth are in a relationship ", is that factual or your suspicion ?
Why the hell are so many different people handling a gun? It should only be Hannah who loads the guns. But you have some other girl named Sarah Zachary loading the weapons? And Sarah caused an accidental discharge, why the hell isn’t she on trial too???
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New Mexico
it's called a negligent discharge, but it was only a blank if you listen closely.
free masons
Who even cares anymore.
Seth is a liar
But he’s hardly the only one
Yeah they need to ask him and Billy Ray about stuff.
There's something with this guy. He has inserted himself into the investigation to cover up something.
Sarah Zachary "disposed" of the evidence of where the live bullet came from. David Halls thought clearly and quickly and pleaded himself out of trouble. Seth Kenny, who supplied and delivered in the mix of live and dummy rounds on set, and Alec Baldwin, who pulled the trigger and ran a negligent show, still can't believe their luck. They all realised that they could point their dirty little fingers at the inexperienced and also negligent armorer.
Completely agree.
This whole situation is probably much more entertaining than Rust will be
Oh no doubt.
The execeutive proiducers could make a double whammy and executive-produce the
MOVIE: "The shooting & investigation on the Rust movie set".
It would make millions, maybe netfkix could pick it up and make a mini-TV series.
@@kfelix2934I would watch that!
Hannah is guilty of negligence, period.
She accepted the job, she knew what was expected, and she knew that the buck stopped with her. She disregarded all safety measures
If she fully understood the role she was employed for, then - yes.
And she was high on cocaine ...... unbelievable
ridiculous comment@@lillybullen5374
It sounds like she tried to do her job. I think being young and inexperienced (as in handling actors such as Baldwin) was her downfall because she wasn't able to stand up to the bullying behaviour from a few of them. Love to know the real reason that Seth wanted her fired - probably because his 'friend' Sara wanted her fired. Anyway, I know from experience that film sets can be really awful places to work because of some crew members. Nasty, nasty, nasty. I'm sure not all are like that.
she got stitched up!
Seth is an arrogant and full of crap
How on earth were the Armorer and Prop Lead keep that "cart" so chaotic???? NO WONDER SOMEONE WAS KILLED!!!
Serious problems with Seth Kenny.
1. In this first interview with police while on the Rust set, he said that his supplied dummy and blank ammo was always in white boxes with his writing on it. In the video of the search warrant, there are several live ammo boxes on his shelf, several are labeled PMC, which is an ammunition manufacturer and available at any gun store.
2. Seth is a direct line between live ammunition fired on the set of 1880, with the remaining unspent rounds driven by Seth from Texas to New Mexico, and stored in his shop, and then he delivers ammunition to the prop master for Rust. Given the clutter, chaos, and butt covering of Seth and his company, PDQ, it is entirely possible that he introduced a live round into the Rust set.
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Absolutely what I've been saying . Seems like the more prosecutors put witnesses on the stand, the farther those 2 truths seem to get. I hope the jury remembers that.
The PMC boxes are live rounds, maybe. I think PMC does build a variety and are Texas located, I believe. Pretty sure Seth isn't loading live rounds from the PMC boxes into white JS boxes to ship off as dummies 😂😂😂. Well, maybe to someone he REALLY REALLY doesn't like 🤣🤣🤣.
The fact that he went to the trouble to polish up and patina those rounds for Sarah and Hannah and got that leather for Alec shows that he really does go the extra mile. Nice touch. He's a very sharp cookie. Knows the business. Those 1880 rounds were kind of a Christmas present. But I don't think they were .45s. I think they were .44s or .38s. Bullet Rae's were .44s and/or .38s. Interesting that the first pic of rounds that they put up has actual Colt head stamps. But they were bare casings.... And the cardboard box they said were dummies after that had unfired blanks on top 😀.
You are right about a box of.45s from 1883. But, he also says he thoroughly sorted checked them and polished up only good rattlers. Sarah likes rattles. Hannah went for the holey ones, I think, for sound.
This will be Alec Baldwin's legacy.
he is responsible!
Whose fingerprints are on the live ammo?
Will smith, Jamie fox, and Keanu Reeves for example are all actors who take an apply their trade seriously. All three mentioned are extremely proficient in firearms handling and safety and train religiously. Alec Baldwin has none of that because he is a pompous, a whole!
@@ELBOHOS We do know know what training they had, but I bet in all films of the formers actors listed, they had a qualified armorer and production staff on set. I also bet the budgets for production was way higher than Rust.
I bet also the armorers on those movies that starred Smith/Martin, Fox, & Reeves didn't have an armorer lit up on drugs and they where older than 24
@@kfelix2934 Most definitely! Armorer is first and foremost to blame secondly, is the assistant director and last in line baldwin
Why would the gun be loaded with any ammunition during this cross draw in the church
You can see the bullets from the front of a revolver.
Because the director is rehearsing the scene & camera angle & the bullets can be seen. A viewer would know the gun was unloaded.
Likely Alec wanted authenticity at the risk of injury.
@@thinkingimpaired5663 There's no risk of injury from loading a dummy round for visual authenticity. A blank can severely injure a person. A live round, absolutely. But a dummy bullet, in itself, isn't going to cause an injury. If someone puts a live round in the gun, that's negligence, not authenticity.
It shouldn’t have been. No one wanted to stand up to AB. And the prop master and armorer were massively incompetent. They had no business working with guns.
Regardless of how the live ammunition came from , Hannah was very negligent so I see her guilty ! She was the expert on guns and she loaded the gun !
If you paid any attention, you'd know she isn't an expert.
You have to allowed to do your job by those in charge.
@@OregonCrow expert meaning she was hired as armorer and claimed she knew difference between dummy and live ammo ! She loaded the gun she is responsible!
It doesn't matter. She's not the one who pulled the trigger. That would be Alec Baldwin. Baldwin should go to prison for this.
@@OregonCrowwho hired her?
Seth is blaming Hannah he is full of CRAP!!!
go for a walk ya wacko
The embarrassing part is that the police fell for his bs.
I don't believe Seth Kenny. I think he's a shifty and unprofessional BS artist. Very evasive and not telling the whole story, and definitely could have accidentally put a live round in the boxes he shipped to "Rust".
And it was Hannah's job to catch it before anybody on that movie set got hurt. It's the armorers job. That's what they are hired to do. Period.
@@KSparks80 Yeah maybe that's why she has a shaking in her boots look on her face
Yes, I think so too. 'Prime' rounds on his inventory but according to him they are not primed rounds.
@@KSparks80he was to be her mentor on set though. He did have a responsibility there. If HGR was not cutting the mustard as an armorer, why did he not report this? These were his props, he supplied them.
Also he supplied a weapon he lacked dummies for?? Funny.
How 5he actual AF, did Sarah get immunity?!. She is guilty!
Vinnie thinks like a juror, lawyer & reporter. Great show as always!
Vinny thinks like a prosecutor. He admits such.
@truelife
Vinnie recently sat on a jury. But I think Vinnie knows what nearly everyone else forgets- the only people in the courtroom that really matter are the jury. They are the ones who make the decision. The judge is really just a referee making sure the lawyers behave themselves and stay within the law. Witnesses can be mistaken and even lie or have an agenda. The lawyers get most of the attention because they're the ones doing most of the talking.
I sat on a jury, and the judge told us we were to decide the case on the FACTS, not on what the lawyers or witnesses said.
@@brightmoon7132 The only ones who really count in the courtroom are the jury? The lawyers get most of the attention because they are talking? The judge is just there to control the lawyers making sure they stay inbounds and to instruct the jury? These positions are so naive on your part. Certainly the jury is important. My best friend is a jury selection expert. However, my 3 family members who are lawyers know the jury is on the receiving end of facts being established by the witnesses, the lawyers, and the judge.
Seth seems super suspicious and so does Sarah throwing away stuff. Hannah and Alec both screwed up big time but I feel like something really weird is going on with Seth and Sarah.
Absolutely, it's so shocking people can get away with this and there is a fall guy.
I think it's obvious the live rounds came from seth and were loaded by Sarah.
I think you might be right but there will be no real justice.
Excellent segment. Agree that at first I thought it would be any easy trial with clear chain of custody and very secure safety practices for ammo and arms in set. As it unfolds we see a part-time newbie armorer had her boss working ammo, loading arms. All production leaders apparently ok with open gun / ammo on a cheap unsecured cart and sending part-time armorer to do prop work. Smh Pure chaos.
Seth had a box of live rounds in his truck that he accidentally showed a policewoman that day 😵💫
They were not Long Colt .45 rounds
They wouldn't have fit Baldwin’s gun
And then they gave him over a month to.clean up his workplace. And it was still a shitshow
Hannah & Alec are both guilty of neglected safety regulations that caused a co- workers death and injured another person. 😳 Listening to this trial, there are 3 or 4 more top players who contributed to this tragedy.
Sarah and Seth looks more and more guilty of something.
They are guilt of participating in the bad decisions on set. Mixing live guns with prop guns and mixing prop master with armorer. And lead armorer with assisting props.
Hannah brought the live rounds to set and failed to find them. She loaded the live ammo that killed.
I watch this every day in sewing room. I have to say. We all know what that powder is , but They gettin picky, and that lady said she had the bag for 20 steps, then she put it in the trash. She described the bag that had another green bag, and that bag had "white" powder in it. How is that possible if it's in a green bag. Lolololol P.S. I would ask if the green bag was see thru or solid. Did you open the clear bag to get to the green bag to see what it was???? Yeah that's right! All in 20 steps. Lololol
it did seem like a waste of time that went nowhere
Yea I don't get the point of that lady's testimony
@jsngallery Exactly , I want to say not guilty. She can't carry that charge to many involve.
I sense a weird love triangle vibe from Seth, Sarah, and Hannah most likely Sarah thinking Hannah was hitting on Seth when she probably wasn’t, he probably hit on her tho…. He gives off greasy vibes. He def at some point was the one who decided they were gonna throw her totally under the bus.
The fact that she asked a virtual stranger to hold onto her stash whilst at WORK, presumably her entry point into a future career,
just screams how cluelessly tone deaf she is, or how arrogant she was thinking that was acceptable. Both.
I agree! The recovering drug user can see color thru green bag.
If Seth Kenny was being paid for new Dummy rounds why was he supplying used chemically treated rounds?
She's very inexperienced
With guns or with coke?
🚩And she comes across more like a 14yo than a 24yo.
She seems bored, lazy, indifferent & when called to do work on set she became petulant & bratty.
What a sad, infuriating & *_completely avoidable_* death. 💔
The way she said yes…. It was so disgusting! For me it was telling! She Sarah, she seems completely dishonest!!!!!
Why isn't Sarah Being Charged with anything? Hannah is the only one handling the Fake Amo or Supposed to be Fake Amo. They were Very unorganized.
There's more to the story Hannah is a scapegoat but on the Business end she is guilty, but to an extent there is more than a her thats guilty.
Please stop saying "the gun went off".
Alec shot the firearm.
Guns DO NOT fire themselves.
Just FYI, this isn't the time period to make this blanket statement. Se arch about the Sig Sauer P320. ijs
@popcorn5130 You might want to read the updates on that story. It did not fire itself. Plus, Alec had a single action, which literally can not fire without cocking the hammer & pulling the trigger. FBI confirmed the gun functioned 100% properly.
He expected to have a gun with blanks, not real bullets.
Oh come on. Everyone that wants control of your freedoms says that all of them do.
We must be unarmed victims kneeling on the edge of a freshly dug ditch.
History must repeat itself.
@@LilyEvans1996 A gun is a gun. Just like a car is a car. You would not excuse a stunt man for saying "but it was a prop car" when he ran someone over.
I can buy dummy rounds, does that mean I could be a movie propmaster?
Yes, if those in charge have very low standards.
So Seth Kenny says he would never work with Hannah Gutierrez again for loading live Blanks into a gun when there's Horses around yet he has no problem working with Sarah Zackary who accidentally discharged a live blank in the presence of Horses when she was loading a Prop Gun?
HG is a self proclaimed “ Professional Armorer” …
Sarah Z. Is not nor does she claim to be…
@@michaelcalland801 So? SZ was doing Armourer duties on rust plus she was HG's boss on set!
@@S-T-E-V-E When it comes to firearms & Ammo Hannah has no boss & she should’ve known that. Armorer simply falls under “ Props”.
Most of the time they aren’t even using real firearms in movies so the Prop-master would be in charge of those “ prop” weapons & no armorer is needed. However once the decision to use real firearms is made an Armorer is hired & her main responsibility is ensure ing the safe handling of those weapons. Hannah failed miserably at her job. If a pilot is flying a plane & his boss tells him to “ go clean the toilet” & he does is he not responsible for the plane crashing ? She’s not a child, she knew what her responsibilities were & the bottom line is she loaded that gun herself !
She failed to detect that live round ! She can point fingers & play the blame game all she wants.” I was over worked, they didn’t like me, Sarah was handling guns too, blah blah blah…..
@@michaelcalland801 Then why was Sarah Zachary loading blanks into a gun when it accidentally discharged? We are talking Blanks not Prop Dummies live Blanks! Maybe read the comment before answering!
@@michaelcalland801Sarah claims to be an armorer prior to.this accident. Had misfires on set. Had acted as armorer before. Kept Hannah busy w prop chores so she could help extra w armory duty. And get this..... Sarah was "trained" by shitshow Seth
Alec Baldwin pointed the gun, but he should also have checked it. He was the most experienced person on set but engaged the most inexperienced people (the cheapest) that he could find. Sarah Zachery tampered with evidence. Hannah Gautierez was set up. She did not give the gun to Alec Baldwin, the assistant director did. HE should have checked the gun.
You can’t hold anyone accountable fully unfortunately. Everyone dropped the ball
I thought alot about this. There are the best armors out there who do their jobs in the background to keep everyone safe. Hannah really wasn't qualified as an armor. Hannah must face the consequences to protect the reputations of the professional armors.
I agree with you
I blame HG
When she excepted that job she excepted enormous responsibilities.
It’s not as if she didn’t know the consequences & ultimately she is responsible for declaring a weapon “ Hot or. Cold”. If the ball was dropped it’s due to HG not having a safe, secure & organized system in place for loading firearms & delivering them into the hands of the actors . That should have been her only focus…
Yes you can. Hannah. It was her responsibility to make sure the gun was safe, no matter how a live round got in the ammo stream. She failed miserably.
@@staceysteele5064 She had two jobs and it looks like Armorer was not taken to seriously :)
What about the 'NAVIGATION' APP on his phone???
I mean surely there is a record of his TRAVELS to the MINUTE.
Ridiculous.
I can check my phone back to 2016 and it will tell me every date and everywhere I have driven
Ye he’s full of it also bank statements you know this tool doesn’t use cash.
Body language indicators of deceit and lying have very low reliability according to current research in peer reviewed psychology journals. Even Paul Ekman, the psychologist who pioneered microexpressions, has cautioned against dogmatic use of body language indicators of deceit and lying. Body language has been misappropriated from psychology regarding general states such as anxiety, fear, opposition, confusion, etc which can be misread as deception and lying. Body language performers may be entertaining but not admissible evidence. Body language can be very prejudicial.
yeah, her analysis made me shrug left shoulder
But it gives her a sense of worth where there is none.
So we don't know who handed Baldwin the gun. And we don't know who brought live rounds onto the set.
The gun was handed to Alec via Sarah that was in the 1st testimony of the trial, I think it was HG, Daryl Hall, Sarah and then Alec. HG was not even in the church when the shooting happen. I even doubt HG even loaded the gun.
How does any of this have to do with the fact that Gutierrez didn't do her job and didn't follow procedures to insure that live rounds were not in the chambers of the cylinder of the revolver.
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Exactly. Valid concerns ,but SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS. Her job was to protect everyone from all the other failures. She needed to be the adult in the room, but that doesn't appear to be true.
For those interested, who are familiar wit firearms and firearm safety, listen to her interview BEFORE this incident. She had 45 minutes, and she never mentioned safety....ONCE.
She had no business in this role.
zachary is much more responsible but Hanna got stitched up by the industry closing ranks!
36:05 Sarah’s low voice seemed entirely contrived to me. I wasn’t getting any genuine sadness, just an awareness that she ought to look sad.
Zachary in her first interview with the detective she did not say she threw away the dummy rounds
I still think that Hannah brought in the live rounds. Learning that a witness testified that Hannah had cocaine. She really messed up the ammo that was put in the gun. Just a thought. Waiting to see the outcome of this trial.
In one of these videos from this channel, it was reported that there were live rounds because they would shoot at targets on the same property when they all weren't working.
That doesn't matter in the slightest. Hannah wasn't the one who pulled the trigger. That would be Alec Baldwin. Baldwin should be in prison for this.
@@beckydoesit9331 He is being charged, but when you say it like that why do armorers exist? there is simply no need then? dosnt matter if hannah goes to jail she wount contribute to anything she is worthless.
So tell every armorer to end their profession since they dont have responsibility they are not needed.
Americans and logic.. does not exist simply.
@@beckydoesit9331and your comment and opinion does not matter in the slightest, you are letting logic die you pulling the triggers, throw yourself in jail hypocrite.
Alec will be charged the end, and should recieve a trial and be judged according to the law.
You do not seem to know much about guns. I would bet you have fired very few rounds or none. Hannah, most likely is the least likely person to have brought a real 45 round of ammunition. She has the absolute LEAST motive, and she knows how wrong a live cartridge on is.
I'm just picturing Seth and Sarah embracing when this is over. "We did it honey. We got away with it." *smooch*
We don’t need a complete summary every single day. Just the updates.
Vinnie is such a great presenter. No mumbo jumbo, no word salad. Just straight to the point. Such a gift on RUclips.
Overly dramatic, though!!
@@popcorn5130yes, but this is a very dramatic case.
@@Brandysky1 Errrrrm I've watched Vinnie before... and always notice his over-dramatics... even when there isn't much drama. I get that it's his job to add/increase drama, but he's a bit too dramatic, almost comical. I also get that a lot of you are drawn in by the dramatics. I remember back in the day he seemed pretty professional; now he's a drama queen. ijs
His long pauses mid sentence drive me insane. It's as if he's speaking to a class full if special needs students.
With the mess at Seth Kenneys place how could he know what he supplied?!
The one thing I haven’t heard anyone say is who made the live rounds, surely it’s possible to trace who purchased them if you know who made them.
Criminal charges for
Gutierrez for negligence
Baldwin for negligence
Whoever brought live rounds onto the set.
I think Hannah brought it. An actor was handed live ammo in a gun. He thought they were dummies. Hannah, prison. Alec, not guilty.
@@Mac-sb5lj I found it interesting the camera crew quit over working conditions and pay the day before. Could one of them planted live bullets as a sick going away “present”?
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When asked about the complaints and walk-outs, Alec said they only had gripes about the accommodation and working hours. ???
@@Mac-sb5lj yes they were not given hotel money unless they lived 60 miles away from site. Usually it’s 30. Staff were sleeeping in cars or driving 100 miles round trip
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I'd heard that about the travel as well. But Alec definitely denied knowing about or finding live ammunition.
I think 2 red flags. Sara Zachary throwing away rental bullets/ blanks. And Hannah borrowing some blanks from her dad.
You said it Vinnie - what's going on in Hollywood?
I don't understand how the ammunition supplier can just say he didn't bring a live round and its accepted as the truth. that lass may be guilty of negligence, but someone bought the bullet to the set
Seth and Amy are dirty! They should be prosecuted!
Seth looks like he's really been cleaned up. He's a reclusive guy who likes to work with guns but not with people and he stays at home while sending out untrained people to do jobs he hasn't taught them. His "office" looks like a hoarder house and he must live there.
People who have worked in the movie/TV business for a long time know the basic problems that happened on the "Rust" set. Low-budget show, with some low-budget inexperienced people brought in like Hannah Guttierez. Add to that the rampant nepotism that happens in movies/TV, where just because some young person is someone's son or daughter, they get hired. Often experience doesn't matter at all, or very little. That describes Hannah Guttierez. Add to that a very shifty, disorganized, questionable ammunition supplier like Seth Kenny, and you get a recipe for serious problems. I think Hannah loaded the live round in the gun that killed Halyna Hutchins, but I think the live round came from Seth Kenny. He certainly was very evasive as a witness, and was not telling the whole story, and doing everything he could to blame Hannah.
I think HG brought the Rounds from her house. Her father sent a picture to Hannah of a long Colt .45 Dummy box & it’s exactly like the box they found in the trailer. HGs home is loaded with decades of Ammo collected by her father…
@@michaelcalland801exactly. She’s the sketchy supplier. People really don’t like Seth. The evidence doesn’t support him supplying live ammo. There multiple pieces of evidence Hannah and Thell did.
@@michaelcalland801 It's absolutely NOT the exact box. Anyone can clearly see the labels are located at a different angle on the end of the two different boxes. Also, I can see these labels are printed with an ink jet printer. I noticed immediately that the ink is NOT the same darkness, and the white splotches, where you can see the white label through the ink are completely different on the compared labels. These two things make it obvious they are not the same boxes as prosecution insists they are.
@@pnwladySeth is clearly lying about the date he brought the box back to Albuquerque. In an interview, or testimony, I heard Sarah tell the date she drove to get the box, and it was either the best same day or the day after he got back. So he was in a hurry to "polish and rattle" those rounds which he was so concerned would take him "more than one minute each" to polish and rattle. AND, I distinctly remember, the date the picture was taken with the box of 45s on Hannah's lap with the silvery primers in it was within one to three days after the date she drove to pick up the box. Yes, Hannah was inexperienced, but she trusted Seth because he was her dad's friend, and HE'S the one supplied rounds that has JUST come from another set that used live rounds...
Not to mention I study body / face language to catch liars. He closed his eyes for several seconds, avoiding eye contact BOTH times he was asked about the date he brought back the box, saying he just"can't pin it down". Yet he's SURE about EVERYTHING ELSE. What a snake.
Like I said, it was DAYS before the picture on Hannah's lap, which by the way, SARAH TOOK THAT PHOTO, seemed to me, by the date it was about one day after Sarah got the box from Seth. And why Sarah was not charged with tampering is BEYOND me.
@@ServantOfJesusChrist777 Maybe I miswrote what I was trying to say. I wasn’t saying that it was literally the same box. I was saying that the Box at HGs house & the Box at the trailer had the same label. Meaning they’re from the same manufacture. Obviously they weren’t the same box because there was a Box in the trailer & HGs dad sent the photo “ AFTER” the shooting. The point is if HG has Ammo at home from that exact manufacturer & label & there’s an identical box in her trailer it’s not a stretch that she brought it from home. The Box is completely different from Boxes that Seth uses
Halyna's friend is a lovely person and a beautiful friend.
and Hitler was a wonderful dancer? Ok
He's lying. I'm thinking the live ones came from HIM
Seems you need a very quiet area to identify a round rattling surely.
That's what happens when you hire someone because of who their dad is.
Nepotism is rife in Hollywood
Did the body language expert just said that a soft voice is indicative of sadness? What a revelation lol And she is getting paid for that? How about a magic ball instead.
I love when a guest (Dutch) refutes Vinnie's dramatics. (27:24) 😛
Without that sloppy ammo supplier getting live rounds mixed in with dummy rounds, the world might never even have known about any of this because lax safety probably happens on a lot of movies. This one was just a perfect storm of fk ups.
The first week it happened, the guy who sold her the blanks said she had the same gun on set, and he found/sold her real bullets for her gun...but that story has changed.
Yea Seths story changed like 5 times
The detective was starstruck & didn’t even search the ammo suppliers warehouse. Seth & Sarah are both arrogant & manipulative. Guarantee there was lot of drugs on the set, not only Hannah. She didn’t make friends on the set & she had an attitude ( an observation) neither has done her any favours now.
Sarah seems very suspicious. I just get the feeling she lying.
It blows my mind how many people missed the testimony and evidence showing Hannah brought the live ammo to the set. Day one evidence showed the box live ammo was found in. It was a js box from the last movie she worked on where they were firing live rounds and dummy rounds. She was freaked out enough to text her dad for a picture of his .45 colt ammo box. It matched her ammo box identically. She owns a colt .45.
People don’t like Seth and Sarah and love to read conspiracy into everything. Sarah had no business loading weapons, Seth and the producers should have shut that down. And made actors use props (not guns) when not actively recording.
But Hannah was The Armorer. She loaded the gun with live rounds. She failed in her basic duty of shaking dummies. If Sarah had loaded the gun it would be more complicated but it was Hannah and she should have known better.
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Exactly. All valid concerns, but SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS. Her job was to protect everyone from all the other failures. She needed to be the adult in the room, but that doesn't appear to be true.
For those interested, who are familiar wit firearms and firearm safety, listen to her interview BEFORE this incident. She had 45 minutes, and she never mentioned safety....ONCE.
She had no business in this role.
even the prosecutor who charged baldwin and hannah is very suspicious
Got to admit, her hairdresser is awesome!
All i know is David and Alec had the gun alone and all of a sudden magic bullets appear.
Hannah G. was the armorer in charge of that weapon and should have kept her eyes on that weapon at all times to ensure it was in the state she prepared it. She was negligent if she was not present on the set with the weapon as it seems is the case.
There were live rounds all over the set.
There were more inside HG’s trailer inside a box marked “ Dummy”
There were another 3 loaded inside ABs holster
And when exactly did AB have the gun “ Alone” ?
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@@user-hc9lp3hb1rShe wasn't allowed on the sets that were indoors because of covid restrictions. Completely ridiculous but true. They did not allow their armorer to actually be _on set while guns were being used because of covid._ How was she suposed to have eyes on anything from outside a building?
She's negligent because she didn't just tell Baldwin *no* but that's _why he hired her in the first place._ She was young, inexperienced, needed to get experience in a difficult industry and easily intimidated by a famous narcissist like AB. Baldwin took advantage of that imo.
"Because of Covid restrictions she was sometimes kept outside of interior sets, including when the gun fired in a small church."
I’m not surprised production got fined the most in new mexicos state history by osha. Prop master throwing evidence in trash can? Negligence is brought up over and over. Based on the character displayed by everyone herein, how is intentional motive not explored? If narcissism was a job description, they all performed. Too bad competency wasn’t required…
Omg i missed this. Just finishing watching the trial.
With all that noise on set, ppl. talking also, how you going to hear a rattle certainly
Sets, from what I hear are always chaotic. Controlledish chaos
This man said he didn't keep an inventory record.
? Did Sarah throw away casings after she spoke with Seth immediately following the incident?
Is there trial today?
If Zachary threw the rounds away, did the police NOT check the trash bins? I mean....really!!!!!
There is so much negligence on that set, none of them should have any immunity and none of them should’ve gotten off easily with a plea!!! Who’s at the top of this hierarchy of incompetence? AB and everyone who was hired who didn’t do their jobs! Safety was not a concern, money was-a cheap film vs. one that was safer and had actual professionals in charge!
Wait a minute, isn't it a bit creepy that Halyna's friend was wearing her clothes?
When did this come out?
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No. I don't think so.
Was ist mit Zakary? Warum wird sie nicht belangt? In dem Verfahren lügen oder verschweigen ein paar Leute irgendwas und ich glaube, dass sie sich gegenseitig schaden wollen!!
Yeah. That's the point they're trying to ignore. No live rounds should have been near any prop guns. Period.
I can't believe the safety director and Sarah got immunity. Something isn't right in this case. & the gun didn't go off he fired it. 😂
It’s sounds like there is more traceability on a lettuce than there was on that ammunition
Good point.
Alec has no liability as an actor. It’s a union set. People aren’t allowed to do things that aren’t within their job descriptions. Actors are not allowed to check guns. If anything he could have asked to have the gun checked while he watched. He’s been on many sets and is accustomed to trusting people to do their jobs.
However, as a producer, he may have some liability for not sorting out the safety issues. They will have to establish his exact role. He may have had on-set responsibilities, or he may have just provided the $$.
It doesn’t matter where the live round came from; *”IF”* Hannah Gutierrez-Reed had been doing her job, the job she was hired for and responsible for doing, *”NOBODY”* would have died.
She never shook the rounds when she loaded the gun…
Live rounds don’t rattle…!
If she shook each round she would’ve detected the live round.
You can point the finger at others for their behavior or character, or imagine conspiracies, but the bottom line is had Hannah done her job Halyna would be alive.
It is also very clear that the film industry is in need of serious reform with regard to firearms safety, beginning with requirements for experience and/or certification of armorers. Given the technology available today already widely used in filmmaking, it seems the need for authentic guns and ammo is obsolete.
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Exactly. Valid concerns, but SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS. Her job was to protect everyone from all the other failures. She needed to be the adult in the room, but that doesn't appear to be true.
For those interested, who are familiar wit firearms and firearm safety, listen to her interview BEFORE this incident. She had 45 minutes, and she never mentioned safety....ONCE.
She had no business in this role.
The person that threw the rounds on the cart had to live with what they did.
Why would live ammunition be on any set besides security?
Awareness buys time, time buys options. Lack of awareness will get you in trouble.
Sara was the real armeror in charge, Hammah was her assistant for all intents and purposes.
Hannah is the scapegoat.
Sarah got immunity because she didn't load the gun, check the gun or fire the gun. She wasn't the armorer's supervisor, she was the props supervisor.
If Hannah was working under someone else's license, are they in danger of losing their license because of her negligence?
Great question!
The insurance companies will make them pay..
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As far as I understand, none of them are accredited. It's just not a part of being an armorer. REALLY! 😳
There is no certification. I hope that changes after this.
Hannah is obviously negligent
looks like there were plenty of " DUMMIES " on that set
They came from Kenney, not Hannah. Here's why: Kenney closed his eyes, avoiding looking at counsel, BOTH times when asked about the date he brought back the rounds to Albuquerque. That indicates lying. Just "can't pin it down" but he's SURE about everything else. YET, I REMEMBER he said another time, maybe in the police interview room video, that he gave the box to Zachary the day right after he got back or maybe he said the same day. Zachary drove to meet him RIGHT after he got back because they needed them, according to him "IMMEDIATELY". AND the picture of Hannah with the box of 45s on her lap WITH THE ROUNDS with silver caps, was taken that SAME WEEK... October 10th through the 13th... Zachary testified what day she drove to meet Kenney to pick them up! I THINK THE LIVE CAME FROM KENNEY, NOT HANNAH. Because the set HIS box came from was using live rounds.
However, Hannah, KNOWING how to check the rounds, DIDN'T, because she left, or trusted that responsibility to Seth, and same goes for Alec.
Hannah is a scapegoat for the real crime.