Except its not a trilogy. Dune Messiah would take, at least, two films as well. Then you have Children of Dune and God Emperor of Dune or you have no franchise.
@@minximayhem thoso1973 talked about Denis Trilogy and it that case he is right. Denis said he wants to do Dune: Messiah next, but none of the others afterwards because he did not like them. So when he gets to do Messiah, it will conclude his trilogy.
Few years ago during the promotion of "Arrival", Denis Villeneuve said that "Dune" is his dream in adapting novels but he would've had a hard time getting the rights so he didn't think he would've succeed it in getting it. Now that he did and fulfilling his dream made me so proud of him! 🙌
Just wanna add, Denis is not just one of the greatest “sci-fi” directors working but imo he is one of the if not the greatest working director of his generation. From Incendies to now the Dune franchise, he’s been unstoppable and we can’t forget his entire filmography.
that's a stretch. he found his way into mainstream without losing much of his shagrin and style, his fondness to a certain tonality of a film, but I wouldn't go so far as to lick his ass and call him one of the greatest sci-fi directors. Unless, you watch mainstream movies, then, yeah, he is better than Shaun Levi, Michael Bay.
is it me or is that voice sometimes a bit jarring, like the most alien world with strange noises and these bedouin-esque ppl and u have the whitest chick ever wailing some random words.
What is surprising is that they haven't massively "modernized" it. The movie still has the central character as male and it's definitely not been feminized in character. I don't think it's a coincidence that all sci Fi movies that retain a male centeric theme do extremely well, Sci Fi is enjoyed mostly by men, and women too are attracted by dominant male characters.
@@_jolie_it's only odd if you have no idea what he's talking about. He's absolutely correct. It's just conclusions drawn from understanding of basic market research about which demographics prefer certain genres of stories, something the kndustry has been actively ignoring or fighting against for a while now as though the dominant demographics of particular genres and franchises within them are a problem to be solved for some reason.
I trust Denis as a director and creator but I'm still so relieved to hear Dune Part 2 was good for you Dan. It's been my most anticipated movie since Dune Part 1 came out and I cannot wait to see it.
Having watched Dan's critiques for years, I must say this is the first time he ever reminded me (in the best way) of Roger Ebert. Normally so professional and aloof, always with a quick wit, we rarely see Dan go all fanboy. And it reminds me of when Ebert, so cool and professional, would get super excited about a movie and show his unrestrained dorkitude.
Adding to the activity of Chani's character makes sense for reasons other than box office---it is a limitation of the novel that almost all of the reader's perspective is through Paul. When Herbert suddenly speed-runs through the war he took so long to carefully set up, it really FEELS like it's being rushed.
Yeah, but if Dune gets political, it's going to suck. - a comment someone who clearly doesn't understand Dune actually left on another channel's review
@@pofruin part 3? Denis combined parts 2 and 3 of book one into this movie. So if you’re referring to Dune Messiah as “part 3” that doesn’t make any sense
@@jimhoover7345 Yes I meant Messiah. Denis is vocal about his goals to go up to Dune Messiah. Spoiler warning. Building on Romance with Chani now is prep work over him agonising not to go through Golden Path if it meant Channi dieng. It is a dense book and alot of new polts and characters and even factions come up. So it's better place to establish their romantic connection here and just rely on it as it goes further.
@@pofruin Dune Messiah doesn’t really go fully into the romance of Paul and Chani. Not sure why you think that. Yes there are elements of their love and Pauls visions of Chani’s death and the birth of a child. Because Paul doesn’t see both children being born in his visions. Most of Dune Messiah is about Paul and Hayt (aka Duncan Idaho). Paul still doesn’t fully understand the golden path. That’s made clear in Children of Dune by Leto II. Also don’t assume people have not read the books 👍
I still think a major gripe I have with the two movies now is that the action scenes get cut short SO BAD. Its an epic sci fi movie without great and grand action scenes. It sets it up extremely well, but it ends just like that and things escalate with zero resistance
That was the point. Raban was an ineffectual puppy. You expect him to be a big bad villain, but he's just a scared weakling unceremoniously put down. There was never any threat to the motivated Fremen. You fall in love with Paul / his cause, but by the end you can see where he is headed. He has power and has choice and he chooses to massacre. The audience cheered, but they're supposed to be sad. Chani is like the audience. In the books they give a good martyr / machiavellian justification for the jihad (stagnation, death of the species, million year torture, etc). In the movies all you have is "kill billions for revenge and power".
I second that. Villeneuve is really good at directing these scenes but I felt the same way about them being cut short. Especially the showdown felt a bit disappointing.
A glowing review! Hats off to all the creators and people that worked on this film. Hopefully the movie studio and all those involved get rewarded for this feature presentation.
I’ve yet to read Dune: Messiah, but from what I’ve seen fans of the books say that if the film series gets through that second book it more or less completes the Paul saga and would be a worthy end of a trilogy. The other novels apparently take place decades/centuries after the events of those first two books and are very much their own stories.
Not exactly, Children Of Dune is set around 15 years after Dune Messiah so not to far into the future and does contain familiar faces but it does setup the next 2 book saga of dune. Messiah can def be 1 movie but children of dune would likely need to be 2 movies. After children of dune then there is a huge time jump of centuries.
Children of Dune could be a pretty cool continuation. The story is very interesting. You would need two incredibly gifted child actors for it to work, though. God Emperor is waaay to weird for mainstream cinema.
@@theomnitorium7476 Children of Dune is my favorite book of the story. I very much hope they go there although I know Denis wants to stop at Messiah. Not sure how I’d feel about someone other than Denis continuing past Book 2. Hopefully Denis will eventually change his mind and do Children. That book would probably need two films though.
Yes! Can't wait for this. Seeing it with my Dad. He doesn't care that much for going to the theater but loved the first film so much he's going with me opening weekend. Thank you for your super positive review Dan!
@@BankMoviegoer He is working on yet another massive Sci Fi classic, Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C Clarke, on just about everyone's list of top 5 Sci Fi books that have never been filmed.
I wanted to get tickets for that but all the good seats had sold out by the time I realized they were out. Fortunately I’ve got tickets for me and some friends for next weekend
The issue with getting more is that the books just get far and far more incredibly weird. The mass audience appeal is far lesser the further it goes along in the story
I’m pretty sure part 3 is all but confirmed, he’s already nearly finished the script though I’ve seen some reports that Denis is considering taking a pause before filming it. He definitely talked about seeing as a trilogy from essentially the start and barring an unexpected flop (esp with the glowing reviews I’ve seen so far) I don’t see any real chance he doesn’t get to finish.
A break would be a good idea. The book is set 12 years after the first one. Even if they make that shorter, some time needs to progress in order for the story to makes sense, so some actors simply have to age a bit before filimg Messiah.
3:53 absolutely they have to do the extended edition treatment, at least by the time Villeneuve's trilogy is wrapped and out on digital/physical. Completely deserves it.
I’m curious as to how much The Spacing Guild will be in this movie. None of The Great Houses, not even The Emperor can travel without through space without their permission.
In the book we only saw two agents, not even Stairsmen at the end. Spacing Guild has alergy to drama so would not expect them to show up much in dramatic movie :).
Agree with you 💯 that you can see where the money was spent, its baffling sometimes seing so many great stars and budgets being wasted by poor executive management
Back in 2021, I was fortunate enough to see "Dune" very early, since it came out months before the US release in Europe. Many, many years after Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings movies it was the first film I'd call a true epic. It's vast, grand, larger-than-life movie making that glues you to your seat and overwhelms your senses with a visual and accoustic experience that's so rare, it stays with you for years to come. It was fantastic. Now hearing your praise makes me even more excited to see Dune II next week! I'm sure this will be the first very big hit of the year.
Litterally the only movie of 2024 I will watch in the theater this year. There are other movies I am looking forward to, but this it the only one I feel is worth the money, and worthy of the big screen.
I am actually thinking about getting tickets in pre-sales... Which to me, nowadays.. seems like a crazy thing to do! But.. isn't it great to feel excited again about experiencing true cinema?
@@marcochen9117 TBH the entire slate of films last year were "I'll catch them while on streaming". Top Gun, too much nostalgia bait for my taste, Oppenheimer better as a mini series than a 3hr biopic and EEAAO took me by surprise, hardly had any screens at my local cinema. Wish I saw Sisu at teather though, but still had a blast with my Home Teather setting
As much as I am excited for Dune Part 2. I learned a few months back Denis Villeneuve is working on developing a screen adaptation of Rendezvous with Rama. I'm beside myself with excrement. Here I am beside myself, giving me a high five.
Amazing job reviewing a movie like this without giving any thing away. I don't think enough reviewers realize just how much their fans appreciate this. Even just insinuating stuff can make you go into a movie with expectations. Love the channel and can't wait to see this in theaters. I saw the first one during Covid in a theater completely by myself. Alot of movies can benefit from a crowd but it was great watching it by myself(even if depressing as a movie fan). I hope to make this the first non documentary that I ever see in imax.
Christopher Nolan likened it to The Empire Strikes Back. That’s the only endorsement I need. I’m going in with lower expectations though, bc I was pretty meh on Part 1. It was incredibly well done. But I just didn’t find the narrative compelling
I was also lukewarm on Part I, mostly due to lack of "good" soundtrack. Hans Zimmer score was too sterile/clinical/ ambiental. Lack of a traditional orchestral score left me emotionally unattached to the movie. However, I saw it again last night and I got into it big time, with the emotional scenes hitting much harder this time around . It helps having read the novels, or at least the first 100pages so you know what's going on. Can't wait for part 2!!
@@bigdreams5554 A good film shouldn’t require you to read the novel it’s based on to understand what’s happening. I’m glad you like it. But those type comments always bother me. I also don’t think people should complain when a movie departs from a book, or read things into a movie bc the book adds “more context.” These things exist as separate entities
I am so ridiculously excited to see this movie in IMAX. I loved the first one so much and I have a lot of faith in the team that made it that the 2nd would also be wonderful, so I’m glad to hear such a glowing review!
The biggest thing left unfinished with this film is the resolution to the repeated line "My path leads to the desert", an ending only truly realized in Dune Messiah. Also the return of Jason Momoa... hehehe
I think they made the correct choice not doing a time jump because theres no way to do Alia without making it cheesey or creep or both once shes born until shes older.
Absolutely appreciate a critic like Dan. Being able to not just scream that the movie is a perfect masterpiece and actual have a nuanced and well thought out opinion.
There are more books, so Villeneuve doesn’t have to make stuff up for a third/fourth movie. And I really hope he is able to make them and use the technology now available (and future) to continue the amazing work!!
Early 2000s, try 2015. Remember Fan4stic, anyone? This movie sounds really good. Considering the increasingly abysmal state of blockbuster filmmaking for nearly the last 5-8 years, I almost don't want to trust it, but the first Dune was great, so I'm eagerly anticipating what's next. You might need to do a bit of research, though, because Dune part 3, what will be an adaptation of Dune Messiah, was confirmed after the positive reception of the first trailer or two for Dune part 2. I guess the news kinda flew under the radar for some reason, perhaps due to the strikes, but I think even Deadline confirmed the rumors late last summer. That preproduction was obviously delayed due to the strikes, but it is happening. It doesn't appear to be Villenueve's next film, however, but he is returning to finish his story after a break doing whatever he does next.
I was already hyped as Dune is one of my favorite books and I loved the first movie but damn, Dan has made me even more hyped to see this. Glad is excellent although I never doubted it. Denis Villeneuve has still not missed, I haven't seen all his filmography but I've seen most (I think I'm only missing Incendies and Polytechnic), the man simply does not miss. The moment a Dune adaptation was announced to be directed by Villeneuve I had full confidence in it, the man is just a genius, flawless filmography
Hey Dan! Just caught Dune 2 at a fan screening and wow, I'm hyped for your spoiler review. As a Canadian, I believe Devince Villeneuve deserves the Order of Canada. Oppenheimer dodged a bullet with this film not releasing in November as planned. Dune 2 deserves all the awards next year. Fantastic work, eagerly awaiting your spoiler review
Dune: Messiah...the script is already mostly written by Denis Villanueva himself!! However, he's gonna do a smaller film first before returning to Arrakis.
Dune Messiah is the sequel to Dune. It completes the cycle about fearing the "chose one" and how even the best of intentions can lead to trouble. Dune Messiah is more of a Book 3 of the Books 1& 2 of the first Dune book.
Gonna do my best Fred Flintstone leaving work impression when I go see this flick. Just saw Part One for the third time in theater last week and walked away somehow more impressed than the first time. As Dan put it "this is cinema!"
Ever see the Syfy mini-series? "Why is that guy flirting with her? Isn't she supposed to be his sister? What is happening?" - my sister as we uncomfortably watch the 2nd part
My issue with Villeneuve is his weird stance against deleted footage. I get not wanting to reintegrate it back into the film because it would break the flow of your movie... what I don't understand is not wanting to show those scenes in extras on a physical media release, especially with something like Dune where there's a fan base that would love to see the things that were shot, but cut (like the dinner scene supposedly in part 1). That said, I do hope the movie does amazingly well, just so we get an adaptation of Dune Messiah. My end goal would really be to see them eventually film "God Emperor of Dune", but I'm pretty sure that's too weird for most, and at most the Dune film saga will end at "Children of Dune" if they make it. (If not the Scifi Channel Children miniseries which adapted both Messiah and Children was actually really enjoyable).
We really need longer cuts of these movies, so much context and worldbuilding was lost when Warner seemingly told Villeneuve to keep the runtime below 165 minutes.
Everything I’ve heard him say in interviews, etc, leads me to believe that Denis Villeneuve is very in control of what’s cut and what’s not. He speaks of wanting his films to have a rhythm and perhaps even cutting too much. Unless there’s a studio mandate that has gone unmentioned.
Just saw it last night, and though I'm typically not a theater goer (I have a high quality AV system at home)... I had a feeling this was going to be one for the theater. I was right. This was excellent on the huge screen with the seat rumblers. I agree with Dan 100%
I know everyone's gonna disagree but I think the first one is a way better movie. It's better paced and the tension really stems from the mystery. I don't think Paul converting everyone needed an hour+ of screentime and the love story was lacking (mostly because of dialogue and editing). There's some great moments but some of the payoffs didn't feel earned to me. I think if the movie had spent more time with it's villains, there would be more tension about who will succeed. But it became painfully obvious in this one that Paul's victory was inevitable. Austin Butler played a convincing psychopath but I never believed he had any tactical skill to present a real rivalry to Chalamet. It's easy to get lost in how visually gorgeous this movie is, but I think the hype will die down in the retrospective years from now.
I, too, feel like the hype will die down. Especially once more people start thinking about the aspects of the film other than its visuals. Beyond everything that I didn’t understand because I don’t know the source material, scenes seem to be cut short or they start at odd places. Characters randomly appear in many instances. That first act dragged!
@@movies_are_life The movie spends a lot of time on certain aspects which eventually are not that significant but does not take its time when it is important.
The next Dune movie (Dune: Messiah) will absolutely change the tone of the first 2 movies if it ends up getting made. It was my favorite dune book by far because I was so infatuated by Paul after the first book. Cant wait
Saw it yesterday and loved it. The only reason to stay away might be if you dislike Timothée Chalamet, as the movie's *plastered* with hero shots of him, with or without slow motion. Thankfully, I just so happen to be a sucker for those 😜
Its important to separate good from great from very great from masterpiece. This movie was good. Which might be an insult. Sterile, beautiful, well done, cold, at times boring. Dont need to see again. This from a mega villaneuve fan who vigorously defended the first one.
That separation, though, is for everyone to make individually. It feels like you're coming from a place where you think that anyone who says it's better than good is overrating it. It's all personal preference.
Hey Dan! Nice review. FYI, Denis Villeneuve was interviewed on french tv recently (the tv show is called "La Quotidienne" on TF1. And he pretty mmuch confirmed that Messiah was going to happen. It's in French, but I can translate the relevant bit for you: At one point, the journalist asks: "When will you make a third Dune movie, is a third Dune movie confirmed?" Denis answers:"as soon as we have a good script" Then the journalist insists "So it IS confirmed?" Denis answers with a quiet "yes"
If you think The Last of Fans were upset with Part 2, just wait to see how fans of the first two Dune movies will react to Dune Messiah - if Villeneuve ever films it.
I recommend watching ‘The King’ with Timothée Chalamet as the lead. It’s another role that places him in an intense, leadership role. It may have been the choice to prepare for his Dune role but I can only assume. If you liked seeing him in Dune, you will definitely enjoy his acting in The King.
Yep...Dune 2 as a sequel is very much in the vein of Terminator 2, Aliens, Empire Strikes Back as far how much it expands upon the original and turns up the action and intrigue. I'll be seeing it again later this week at my local theater when it hits wide release but the trip to hit the early fan viewing at an IMAX was well with the effort!
I never understood the reason Dune 1 & 2 receive very positive reviews. To me the movies are underwhelming and 'Okay', if not average, slow, and boring. They are not a 'revelation' as what many reviewers claimed. I believe these movies require pre-existing knowledge/familiarity to its previous rendition, or even the books to enjoy it, which brings another dilemma because, the movies are major stepdown from the richness of the text, details, acting, visualization, and even fight choreography described in the books
7:38 when it flashes back to Oct 22, 2021 and is that the vinyl for The Spy Who Loved Me!? One of the greatest 007 films AND one of the greatest scores! And is that a model of Bond's Aston Martin DB5?! Dan rules.
People seem to give Dune a pass on things no other movie would get a pass on. The first movie was such a bore, it did so little in 3 hours. The only reason I might see this is because I want to see how Zendaya does as Chani
when you say this film is sprinting I'd say it's rushing it skips massive chunks of the book, delete's characters all so we can have some amazing but ultimatly hollow visuals. for instance Paul rise to a messiah is also the begining of his fall at not preventing the death of someone close to him and Chani ( reed the book if you want to know more ) so good movie But not a Great movie , sorry Dan
@@DanMurrellMovies but in my personal , underscore personal opinion they have rushed the story in favour of stunning visuals & would have had far greater meaning to the story, without going into spoilers
Found the Dune of the 80s fairly grotesque so I had doubts at first. Dan convinced me to seeing Pt 1 and just wanted to vote with my wallet to reward the risk they ve taken, ended up loving it seeing it as an outstanding Sci Fi movie (in my book among the best). Was kinda disappointed Pt.2 didn t make it for Christmas, got friends hooked to watch it together soon and this time, I m going convinced it ll be a great ride...but hey, let s see :).
His Blade Runner 2049, in my opinion, is right there with Aliens in my favorite sci-fi films ever made. Also everyone should watch Denis's Enemy with Jake Gyllenhaal. Its fantastic!
Just saw it in theaters yesterday. I am so glad I went to see it on the big screen. Truly a cinematic masterpiece. I literally had goosebumps the entire time. Especially as a sci-fi lover, this movie is a must watch!
Just watched it on Imax - which is definitely the format you want to see it in. I really liked Part 1 a lot, but Part 2 is even better. I had one major and one medium-sized issue with Part 1 (as well as some trivial quibbles). The major issue is that the movie just ended abruptly half-way through the story. The medium issue is that I think Paul could have used a bit more of a pronounced arc. Paul seemed like a character swept up in events rather than being the character driving the plot. That's kind of the whole point of course, but I think Part 1 could have been written in a way that it felt like a defined chapter in Paul's life, and so a movie in its own right, rather than just the first 2.5 hours of a 5.5 hour epic. If - to spitball an example - Paul had a character arc in Part 1 that more _explicitly_ revolved around his unwillingness to kill, then his taking Jamis's life at the end of Part 1 could have resolved both of my issues. Anyway, all this to say that Part 2 had neither of these issues. Paul has a very clear character journey - the destiny that he struggles against, and the story comes to a... if not definitive conclusion, then at least a point where you feel both satisfied and excited about what is (hopefully) yet to come. It also works surprisingly well as a standalone movie. I saw it with a friend who hadn't read the book nor seen Part 1 (though he had seen the Lynch movie 40 years ago) and he was able to pick up the characters and story without problems. Technically of course, the movie is magnificent. I can see it cleaning up at the Oscars in those categories, but I hope it does well in some of the big awards as well, including best adapted screenplay, director and picture. Not sure how it'll go in the acting categories but if anyone gets a nom, it'll be Chalamet - I don't think any of the other actors have enough to do earn a nomination... well, maybe Butler might for sheer presence. I don't really have any complaints about the movie - I intend to see it a couple more times on the big screen at least, and there's a good chance it'll be my favourite movie of 2024 - but if I had to pick one thing to complain about (and I really don't) then it'd be with the characterisation of Stilgar. I actually loved his nonchalant indifference in Part 1, and his turn to ardent religious fervour felt at odds with that. (It's been about 15 years since I last read the book, so can't recall how the book-Stilgar was characterised.) Villeneuve really, really, really needs to make Part 3.
Got my tickets, but mostly just for the visuals. As someone who hadn't read the books I had a really hard time caring about Chalamet's moody character in the first movie, or about anyone else frankly.
Thanks -- agree an extended cut and deleted scenes will come. Messiah should follow in 3-5 years so the younger members of main cast grows up enough to fit the roles. Then there is Children of Dune and God Emperor to round off the main sequence of novels. No doubt the other 2 novels will be made as well - but their plots and none of the other Dune novels are upto the first 3 or 4 (God emperor being lessor than the rest)
It’s likely there will be a Dune part 3 - as seen in the first film Paul is wearing gold armor leading the Fremen in a war against the Great Houses (pretty much the set up as part 2 ends). The only sad thing is that we will probably have to wait until 2027 for part 3.
Yeah I have a feeling the movie will change Rabban death from being shot in the back by Stilgar and then beheaded by the Fremen. To Rabban and Gurney fighting it out.
*There are spoilers in this post* The first 3 Dune books are my favorite Sci-fi/Fantasy books as an adult. I only mention that because my bias/expectations are going to be for the books (which are notoriously difficult to adapt due to all of the inner monologue and narrator's philosophizing). I also don't really care for Denis' style. He uses the stop. pan. stop. pan. technique the way Zack Snyder relies on slow motion or JJ Abrams uses lens flares. That really irritated me during Dune Part 1. I was also not a fan of Jessica (a bene gesserit) breaking down in a wet ball outside Paul's trial (less is more. she needed to be stoic, imo). Part 1 moved too slowly, and then it ended too abruptly. But it LOOKED FANTASTIC. Truly, Herbert's fictional galaxy brought to life. I don't have to wonder where the money went in Part 1. Part 2 is more of the same visually. Absolutely astounding visuals. Unfortunately, for me, Part 2 veered off into it's own variant branch of the DCU, if you will. *****last chance before spoilers***** Denis (forgive me, I cannot reliably spell his last name) sharply narrowed the focus of the movie's theme, and he did this by changing the characters of Stilgar, Chani, and Jessica so that Chani represents the pragmatic "new humanist" fremen opposite the (tragically misguided?) Stilgar who represents the deeply religious "old guard" that are beholden to religious scripture. Jessica represents the bene gesserit wizards of Oz-Dune who secretly steer the mechanisms of faith amongst the fremen to their own ends. The movie really has to change Chani for this dynamic to exist, and it sets up Jessica more as an opponent than ally of Paul. to put it frankly, Chani in the books is as much a "old guard" fremen as Stilgar. what we're seeing from Chani is the book is more an expression of Herbert's overarching theses on religion, power, fundamentalism, group dynamics, etc. I don't like the movie's Chani, but I mostly don't like her for where this leads in the finale. By the finale, she's this betrayed woman whom Paul has dropped like Jason did to Medea. that just ain't how it goes. Chani has very very iconic lines about her relationship to Paul and Irulan's, once Irulan goes over as Paul's wife. it's somewhat unforgivable to rob her of those lines in this movie. if you don't know what i'm talking about, Jessica was a concubine of Leto even though she was the love of his life and mothered his only child. He never married, but she couldn't marry him because he had to be available to marry for political reasons. likewise, Chani cannot be Paul's wife, and he actually does marry Irulan. I can only assume Denis is going to have Chani drop these lines at the start of Messiah, but man. Part 2 - imo - really went FUBAR. So you have the Chani thing, which is bad, but not in itself going to break things. but the timeline was sped up quite a bit. Paul's sister is still in the womb by the time he conquers arakkeen. the girl is like 5 or 8 or something in the books. why does this bother me? well in addition to eliminating 5+ years of characterization and gestation of Paul from runaway prince to Fremen messiah, there's a line in the movie where the head reverend mother accuses paul of being an abomination. he's not an abomination. he's a product of the eugenics programs that the bene gesserit have been working on for generations (millennia?). the abomination is the child (still in the Jessica's womb) who was exposed the the presciensce that only reverend mothers of the bene gesserit take in the final stage of their "communion." my point is calling Paul the abomination is nonsensical. it's another iconic line, this time kept, but rendered nonsensical. the only thing remotely unusual about Paul is that he was realized a generation earlier than the bene gesserit had planned (due to the massive spice exposure, iirc). lastly, and this is where the movie jumps the shark (for me!), is that absence of the spacing guild at climax/resolution of the film. control the spice = control the space guild. control the spacing guild = control the empire. the emperors rule only insofar as the spacing guild allows them to. the movie ends with all the Fremen going up into space ships to do battle with all the other houses' armies coming out of dune orbit. no, bro. just...no. the fremen are badass warriors, but they cannot win that fight. full stop. they win by holding the spice hostage with their nukes. they win because the spacing guild calls off the houses (remember: w/o spacing guild, there is no empire). this is all in Dune. not Messiah. not Children of Dune. ending the movie the way this ended is just...eesh. iunno man. I get you want to keep telling stories and stuff, but it's like SW without actually dropping the torpedoes into the Death Star's exhaust system. they stopped after Luke rescured Leia or something. finish the movie, dude.
According to insider Jeff Sneider, DUNE: MESSIAH has already been greenlit by Legendary/Warner; it's happening. Denis gets to finish his trilogy.
I am hoping for all 6 of the Dune books to become movies!
Except its not a trilogy. Dune Messiah would take, at least, two films as well. Then you have Children of Dune and God Emperor of Dune or
you have no franchise.
@@minximayhemdune messiah is a 250 page book. It can absolutely be one movie.
Don't do that. Don't give me hope.
@@minximayhem thoso1973 talked about Denis Trilogy and it that case he is right. Denis said he wants to do Dune: Messiah next, but none of the others afterwards because he did not like them. So when he gets to do Messiah, it will conclude his trilogy.
Dan you were not exaggerating, this movie is spectacular. Damn near had a spiritual awakening in some scenes. I got to see it again.
Calm down
Me, starting the video: Please be good, please be good, please be good
I think DUNE is aiming to end with a trilogy. Hopefully that’s the case. Let it be compact and succinct, with no room to fail.
Me, reading this comment: Please be right, please be right, please be right.
Yep, now that Dan has assuaged any concerns, I don’t want to see anything to do with this until I see the movie
It’s fantastic
That’s exactly what I was thinking!! Although I had already read several brief reviews from its premiere, so I wasn’t too worried.
Few years ago during the promotion of "Arrival", Denis Villeneuve said that "Dune" is his dream in adapting novels but he would've had a hard time getting the rights so he didn't think he would've succeed it in getting it. Now that he did and fulfilling his dream made me so proud of him! 🙌
Me: I couldn’t possibly be more excited for this movie.
Dan: Hold my worm juice.
Water of Life?
hold my Dune popcorn bucket
I lost my shit at the thought of a poster saying “2UNE” in like 2003 😂😭
With the papyrus font to boot
@@apoplexiamusicit’s the only way
Just wanna add, Denis is not just one of the greatest “sci-fi” directors working but imo he is one of the if not the greatest working director of his generation. From Incendies to now the Dune franchise, he’s been unstoppable and we can’t forget his entire filmography.
Polytechnique onwards all of his movies have been complete bangers
Agreed. Sicario was not sci-fi but also a great film.
that's a stretch. he found his way into mainstream without losing much of his shagrin and style, his fondness to a certain tonality of a film, but I wouldn't go so far as to lick his ass and call him one of the greatest sci-fi directors. Unless, you watch mainstream movies, then, yeah, he is better than Shaun Levi, Michael Bay.
Same
So name better 😂
I'm disappointed they didn't go with RedLetterMedia's title:
Dune 2: More Dune
Dune 2: Dune Duner
Dune 3: The Dunest
2 dune 2 duneous
The Fast and the Fremen: Arrakis Drift.
I'm still disappointed we didn't get Thor 4: More Thor.
Love those guys lol
Reviews are here!
*Hans Zimmer Latin choir girl singing intensifies*
is it me or is that voice sometimes a bit jarring, like the most alien world with strange noises and these bedouin-esque ppl and u have the whitest chick ever wailing some random words.
The fact that this can stand the test of time (movie) doesn'treally surprise me. After all, the books have held up for 60 years.
What is surprising is that they haven't massively "modernized" it. The movie still has the central character as male and it's definitely not been feminized in character. I don't think it's a coincidence that all sci Fi movies that retain a male centeric theme do extremely well, Sci Fi is enjoyed mostly by men, and women too are attracted by dominant male characters.
@@reekinronald6776 What an odd comment to make
@@_jolie_it's only odd if you have no idea what he's talking about. He's absolutely correct. It's just conclusions drawn from understanding of basic market research about which demographics prefer certain genres of stories, something the kndustry has been actively ignoring or fighting against for a while now as though the dominant demographics of particular genres and franchises within them are a problem to be solved for some reason.
Well, 84 and Syfy's dune certainly didn't stand the test of time lol
not all the books held up
Well in French this movie is Deuxne.
Me: I couldn’t possibly be more excited for this movie.
Dan: Hold my Dune popcorn bucket!
I don't think you're going to want anyone else to be holding it...
I trust Denis as a director and creator but I'm still so relieved to hear Dune Part 2 was good for you Dan. It's been my most anticipated movie since Dune Part 1 came out and I cannot wait to see it.
Having watched Dan's critiques for years, I must say this is the first time he ever reminded me (in the best way) of Roger Ebert. Normally so professional and aloof, always with a quick wit, we rarely see Dan go all fanboy. And it reminds me of when Ebert, so cool and professional, would get super excited about a movie and show his unrestrained dorkitude.
Adding to the activity of Chani's character makes sense for reasons other than box office---it is a limitation of the novel that almost all of the reader's perspective is through Paul. When Herbert suddenly speed-runs through the war he took so long to carefully set up, it really FEELS like it's being rushed.
Yeah, but if Dune gets political, it's going to suck.
- a comment someone who clearly doesn't understand Dune actually left on another channel's review
Also expansion of Chani's character in part 2 is preparation work for part 3 also. Will not spoil, but romance now realy helps with part 3 later.
@@pofruin part 3? Denis combined parts 2 and 3 of book one into this movie. So if you’re referring to Dune Messiah as “part 3” that doesn’t make any sense
@@jimhoover7345 Yes I meant Messiah. Denis is vocal about his goals to go up to Dune Messiah.
Spoiler warning.
Building on Romance with Chani now is prep work over him agonising not to go through Golden Path if it meant Channi dieng. It is a dense book and alot of new polts and characters and even factions come up. So it's better place to establish their romantic connection here and just rely on it as it goes further.
@@pofruin Dune Messiah doesn’t really go fully into the romance of Paul and Chani. Not sure why you think that. Yes there are elements of their love and Pauls visions of Chani’s death and the birth of a child. Because Paul doesn’t see both children being born in his visions. Most of Dune Messiah is about Paul and Hayt (aka Duncan Idaho). Paul still doesn’t fully understand the golden path. That’s made clear in Children of Dune by Leto II.
Also don’t assume people have not read the books 👍
I still think a major gripe I have with the two movies now is that the action scenes get cut short SO BAD. Its an epic sci fi movie without great and grand action scenes. It sets it up extremely well, but it ends just like that and things escalate with zero resistance
That was the point. Raban was an ineffectual puppy. You expect him to be a big bad villain, but he's just a scared weakling unceremoniously put down. There was never any threat to the motivated Fremen. You fall in love with Paul / his cause, but by the end you can see where he is headed. He has power and has choice and he chooses to massacre. The audience cheered, but they're supposed to be sad. Chani is like the audience.
In the books they give a good martyr / machiavellian justification for the jihad (stagnation, death of the species, million year torture, etc). In the movies all you have is "kill billions for revenge and power".
I second that. Villeneuve is really good at directing these scenes but I felt the same way about them being cut short. Especially the showdown felt a bit disappointing.
A glowing review! Hats off to all the creators and people that worked on this film. Hopefully the movie studio and all those involved get rewarded for this feature presentation.
I’ve yet to read Dune: Messiah, but from what I’ve seen fans of the books say that if the film series gets through that second book it more or less completes the Paul saga and would be a worthy end of a trilogy.
The other novels apparently take place decades/centuries after the events of those first two books and are very much their own stories.
Not exactly, Children Of Dune is set around 15 years after Dune Messiah so not to far into the future and does contain familiar faces but it does setup the next 2 book saga of dune. Messiah can def be 1 movie but children of dune would likely need to be 2 movies. After children of dune then there is a huge time jump of centuries.
Book 3, Children of Dune is about the choices Paul’s children must make. Spoiler: Paul is still alive
Children of Dune could be a pretty cool continuation. The story is very interesting. You would need two incredibly gifted child actors for it to work, though.
God Emperor is waaay to weird for mainstream cinema.
@@theomnitorium7476 Children of Dune is my favorite book of the story. I very much hope they go there although I know Denis wants to stop at Messiah. Not sure how I’d feel about someone other than Denis continuing past Book 2. Hopefully Denis will eventually change his mind and do Children. That book would probably need two films though.
You can always see if you can find the sequel mini-series SyFy did awhile back.
Just don't watch it with your sister. 😯
I’m definitely gonna see this in IMAX!
Dolby Cinema is also excellent and worth considering.
Good thing that a mall near my house recently opened an IMAX theater so that should be exciting
Me too, probably at the local AMC. With popcorn. You know, cuz I'm a fan of the books and... want a souvenir.
Yeah, that's why. 😶
I'm going to see it on Max app
@@DR.DisInfectAbout that…
Yes! Can't wait for this. Seeing it with my Dad. He doesn't care that much for going to the theater but loved the first film so much he's going with me opening weekend. Thank you for your super positive review Dan!
With your dad? You're not going to an AMC theater are you? DON'T GET THE POPCORN! 😱
@@solvseus No & no
I hope we get Dune Messiah and from what Denis said it sounds like we are
He wants to make Messiah very much and he is vocal about it. Hope they will do it.
I remember Denis said he wanted to do something else after this. Let him. I don't want anyone else handling Dune at this point. I can wait.
@@BankMoviegoer Well, there's no rush. Dune Messiah opens 12 years after the end of the first book, after all.
@@BankMoviegoerHe is working on an adaptation of another well-loved Sci-fi classic book, Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C Clarke hope it comes off.
@@BankMoviegoer He is working on yet another massive Sci Fi classic, Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C Clarke, on just about everyone's list of top 5 Sci Fi books that have never been filmed.
We have tickets for an early access screening at our local IMAX on Sunday Feb 25th. I can't wait for this weekend!
I envy you!!!!
Definitely one of those movies you absolutely NEED to see in IMAX.
I envy you. No IMAX in my country anymore.. people didn’t seem to appreciate it at the time. Pity….
@@awhr0350 I feel you. There’s no IMAX in my country, either. They were supposedly to open one, but it never happened.
I wanted to get tickets for that but all the good seats had sold out by the time I realized they were out. Fortunately I’ve got tickets for me and some friends for next weekend
The issue with getting more is that the books just get far and far more incredibly weird. The mass audience appeal is far lesser the further it goes along in the story
Got back on track with Heretics and Chapterhouse
One more movie would be the point of diminishing returns.
They could just skip some and go straight to Chapterhouse Dune.😊
i'm disappointed to hear the story isn't as strong. visuals tend to get less impressive over time. LOTR has stayed strong because of its story.
I’m pretty sure part 3 is all but confirmed, he’s already nearly finished the script though I’ve seen some reports that Denis is considering taking a pause before filming it. He definitely talked about seeing as a trilogy from essentially the start and barring an unexpected flop (esp with the glowing reviews I’ve seen so far) I don’t see any real chance he doesn’t get to finish.
He will take a break for Dune Messiah, he said that in an interview I think
A break would be a good idea. The book is set 12 years after the first one. Even if they make that shorter, some time needs to progress in order for the story to makes sense, so some actors simply have to age a bit before filimg Messiah.
Hopefully he will be doing Rendezvous with Rama before part 3.
3:53 absolutely they have to do the extended edition treatment, at least by the time Villeneuve's trilogy is wrapped and out on digital/physical. Completely deserves it.
* Things happen *
Bene Gesserit: "Just like we planned it."
I’m curious as to how much The Spacing Guild will be in this movie. None of The Great Houses, not even The Emperor can travel without through space without their permission.
In the book we only saw two agents, not even Stairsmen at the end. Spacing Guild has alergy to drama so would not expect them to show up much in dramatic movie :).
@@pofruin im well aware of what happens in the book.
For all the 1984 movie's faults, Lynch's take on the Guild Navigator was memorable to say the least.
well to answer your question, I don't think they're even mentioned
@@L3monsta they are at the end of book one
Agree with you 💯 that you can see where the money was spent, its baffling sometimes seing so many great stars and budgets being wasted by poor executive management
Back in 2021, I was fortunate enough to see "Dune" very early, since it came out months before the US release in Europe.
Many, many years after Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings movies it was the first film I'd call a true epic. It's vast, grand, larger-than-life movie making that glues you to your seat and overwhelms your senses with a visual and accoustic experience that's so rare, it stays with you for years to come. It was fantastic.
Now hearing your praise makes me even more excited to see Dune II next week! I'm sure this will be the first very big hit of the year.
The first time I am truly excited to go to the theater (in a long long time)
Litterally the only movie of 2024 I will watch in the theater this year. There are other movies I am looking forward to, but this it the only one I feel is worth the money, and worthy of the big screen.
I am actually thinking about getting tickets in pre-sales... Which to me, nowadays.. seems like a crazy thing to do! But.. isn't it great to feel excited again about experiencing true cinema?
You weren't excited to go to Oppenheimer, Everything Everywhere, or Top Gun at least?
@@marcochen9117 TBH the entire slate of films last year were "I'll catch them while on streaming". Top Gun, too much nostalgia bait for my taste, Oppenheimer better as a mini series than a 3hr biopic and EEAAO took me by surprise, hardly had any screens at my local cinema. Wish I saw Sisu at teather though, but still had a blast with my Home Teather setting
As much as I am excited for Dune Part 2. I learned a few months back Denis Villeneuve is working on developing a screen adaptation of Rendezvous with Rama. I'm beside myself with excrement. Here I am beside myself, giving me a high five.
✋Yep really hoping for Rama, has huge potential.
Amazing job reviewing a movie like this without giving any thing away. I don't think enough reviewers realize just how much their fans appreciate this. Even just insinuating stuff can make you go into a movie with expectations. Love the channel and can't wait to see this in theaters. I saw the first one during Covid in a theater completely by myself. Alot of movies can benefit from a crowd but it was great watching it by myself(even if depressing as a movie fan). I hope to make this the first non documentary that I ever see in imax.
Christopher Nolan likened it to The Empire Strikes Back. That’s the only endorsement I need. I’m going in with lower expectations though, bc I was pretty meh on Part 1. It was incredibly well done. But I just didn’t find the narrative compelling
I was also lukewarm on Part I, mostly due to lack of "good" soundtrack. Hans Zimmer score was too sterile/clinical/ ambiental. Lack of a traditional orchestral score left me emotionally unattached to the movie. However, I saw it again last night and I got into it big time, with the emotional scenes hitting much harder this time around . It helps having read the novels, or at least the first 100pages so you know what's going on. Can't wait for part 2!!
@@bigdreams5554 A good film shouldn’t require you to read the novel it’s based on to understand what’s happening. I’m glad you like it. But those type comments always bother me.
I also don’t think people should complain when a movie departs from a book, or read things into a movie bc the book adds “more context.” These things exist as separate entities
@@bigdreams5554 For me, the soundtrack was one of the best things about Dune
That Nolan comment got me too. Don't buy it. Lower expectations from empire.
An extended cut would be amazing, I need to see Paul charge with the fundamentalists
Goddamn it Dan, I was already having a hard time waiting for this movie, now with this review I CAN'T WAIT ANYMORE.
Great review Dan. My enthusiasm levels are already at maximum capacity for Dune Part 2. Let the spice flow!!
Was that you predicting the future Dan?
[Checks Dan's eyes for blue]
I am so ridiculously excited to see this movie in IMAX. I loved the first one so much and I have a lot of faith in the team that made it that the 2nd would also be wonderful, so I’m glad to hear such a glowing review!
Movies are so expensive but I'm excited to see it on MAX app eventually I just watched Dune part 1 last weekend it was pretty good
The biggest thing left unfinished with this film is the resolution to the repeated line "My path leads to the desert", an ending only truly realized in Dune Messiah. Also the return of Jason Momoa... hehehe
I think they made the correct choice not doing a time jump because theres no way to do Alia without making it cheesey or creep or both once shes born until shes older.
Absolutely appreciate a critic like Dan. Being able to not just scream that the movie is a perfect masterpiece and actual have a nuanced and well thought out opinion.
There are more books, so Villeneuve doesn’t have to make stuff up for a third/fourth movie. And I really hope he is able to make them and use the technology now available (and future) to continue the amazing work!!
Got my IMAX tickets booked for next Friday. Can't wait!
Hahaha
DUNE
2NE
DUN3
D.U.N.E.S - Do U need extra Spice? 😅
If it were the early 2000s then they 100% would've done this. lmao
Early 2000s, try 2015. Remember Fan4stic, anyone?
This movie sounds really good. Considering the increasingly abysmal state of blockbuster filmmaking for nearly the last 5-8 years, I almost don't want to trust it, but the first Dune was great, so I'm eagerly anticipating what's next.
You might need to do a bit of research, though, because Dune part 3, what will be an adaptation of Dune Messiah, was confirmed after the positive reception of the first trailer or two for Dune part 2. I guess the news kinda flew under the radar for some reason, perhaps due to the strikes, but I think even Deadline confirmed the rumors late last summer. That preproduction was obviously delayed due to the strikes, but it is happening. It doesn't appear to be Villenueve's next film, however, but he is returning to finish his story after a break doing whatever he does next.
I’ve never clicked a link so fast
I was already hyped as Dune is one of my favorite books and I loved the first movie but damn, Dan has made me even more hyped to see this. Glad is excellent although I never doubted it.
Denis Villeneuve has still not missed, I haven't seen all his filmography but I've seen most (I think I'm only missing Incendies and Polytechnic), the man simply does not miss. The moment a Dune adaptation was announced to be directed by Villeneuve I had full confidence in it, the man is just a genius, flawless filmography
Denis Villeneuve's Rendezvous With Rama is going to be 🤯
Hey Dan! Just caught Dune 2 at a fan screening and wow, I'm hyped for your spoiler review. As a Canadian, I believe Devince Villeneuve deserves the Order of Canada. Oppenheimer dodged a bullet with this film not releasing in November as planned. Dune 2 deserves all the awards next year. Fantastic work, eagerly awaiting your spoiler review
You say book fans may bristle. I nearly walked out of the film as the entire message and nuance of the book was gutted in an insulting way.
watched it last night can't wait to watch it again in imax 70mm need too see it in that full imax 1.43
I watched Wonka before seeing Dune 2. I was definitely skeptical about Chalamet being able to pull this off, but he was really good in it.
Dune: Messiah...the script is already mostly written by Denis Villanueva himself!! However, he's gonna do a smaller film first before returning to Arrakis.
Already have my IMAX opening day tickets !! Can't wait!!!
Dune Messiah is the sequel to Dune. It completes the cycle about fearing the "chose one" and how even the best of intentions can lead to trouble. Dune Messiah is more of a Book 3 of the Books 1& 2 of the first Dune book.
I loved the easter egg to David Lynch's Blue Velvet: Ants crawling around an ear. Thank you Denis 🎉
Gonna do my best Fred Flintstone leaving work impression when I go see this flick. Just saw Part One for the third time in theater last week and walked away somehow more impressed than the first time. As Dan put it "this is cinema!"
Seeing how people react to Messiah is going to be something.
I wish better things happened for Paul poor him
If they make Messiah, they need to make Children of Dune. Leto II is bananas.
Na, I think they should stop with Paul's story. It gets too crazy with Leto.
@@Arctic_Stark Jaba The Emperor.
It’s confirmed they’re stopping with messiah.
@@Arctic_Stark Children of Dune is part of Paul's story.
Ever see the Syfy mini-series?
"Why is that guy flirting with her? Isn't she supposed to be his sister? What is happening?" - my sister as we uncomfortably watch the 2nd part
All the book lovers (of which I am one) should take note that Brian Herbert tied his name to the project as an executive producer.
It's weird how I appreciated the craft but was not moved by it.
I already commented on a similiar comment before. You are not alone feeling like this.
My issue with Villeneuve is his weird stance against deleted footage. I get not wanting to reintegrate it back into the film because it would break the flow of your movie... what I don't understand is not wanting to show those scenes in extras on a physical media release, especially with something like Dune where there's a fan base that would love to see the things that were shot, but cut (like the dinner scene supposedly in part 1). That said, I do hope the movie does amazingly well, just so we get an adaptation of Dune Messiah. My end goal would really be to see them eventually film "God Emperor of Dune", but I'm pretty sure that's too weird for most, and at most the Dune film saga will end at "Children of Dune" if they make it. (If not the Scifi Channel Children miniseries which adapted both Messiah and Children was actually really enjoyable).
I absolutely loved it! Just got out of my screening so definitely need to sit with it. But loved the new cast and the cinematography was breathtaking!
It needs to be at least an hour longer, I would welcome a 5 hour version. The Giedi Prime scenes were a highlight for me.
We really need longer cuts of these movies, so much context and worldbuilding was lost when Warner seemingly told Villeneuve to keep the runtime below 165 minutes.
Everything I’ve heard him say in interviews, etc, leads me to believe that Denis Villeneuve is very in control of what’s cut and what’s not. He speaks of wanting his films to have a rhythm and perhaps even cutting too much. Unless there’s a studio mandate that has gone unmentioned.
Just saw it last night, and though I'm typically not a theater goer (I have a high quality AV system at home)... I had a feeling this was going to be one for the theater. I was right. This was excellent on the huge screen with the seat rumblers. I agree with Dan 100%
I know everyone's gonna disagree but I think the first one is a way better movie. It's better paced and the tension really stems from the mystery.
I don't think Paul converting everyone needed an hour+ of screentime and the love story was lacking (mostly because of dialogue and editing). There's some great moments but some of the payoffs didn't feel earned to me.
I think if the movie had spent more time with it's villains, there would be more tension about who will succeed.
But it became painfully obvious in this one that Paul's victory was inevitable. Austin Butler played a convincing psychopath but I never believed he had any tactical skill to present a real rivalry to Chalamet.
It's easy to get lost in how visually gorgeous this movie is, but I think the hype will die down in the retrospective years from now.
I, too, feel like the hype will die down. Especially once more people start thinking about the aspects of the film other than its visuals. Beyond everything that I didn’t understand because I don’t know the source material, scenes seem to be cut short or they start at odd places. Characters randomly appear in many instances. That first act dragged!
@@movies_are_life The movie spends a lot of time on certain aspects which eventually are not that significant but does not take its time when it is important.
Idk ..seen it tonight ..and I missed some things that the first one brought to life. It was well shot
The next Dune movie (Dune: Messiah) will absolutely change the tone of the first 2 movies if it ends up getting made. It was my favorite dune book by far because I was so infatuated by Paul after the first book. Cant wait
I did not recognize Javier Bardem as Stilgar. That's amazing.
My local cinema is showing Dune then Dune part2 as a double feature on the VMAX screen the day before it opens in Australia. I have my ticket!
Arachis is the botanical name for the peanut. It makes the whole of Dune rather comedic for me. Battle for the valuable peanut.
Saw it yesterday and loved it. The only reason to stay away might be if you dislike Timothée Chalamet, as the movie's *plastered* with hero shots of him, with or without slow motion. Thankfully, I just so happen to be a sucker for those 😜
The first one was released in theaters. In fact I saw it in imax then
So did I. It got a release, but was also released day and date on streaming. That’s what I meant by being given the release it should be.
Already have advanced tickets back to back in IMAX on March 1st!
Its important to separate good from great from very great from masterpiece.
This movie was good. Which might be an insult. Sterile, beautiful, well done, cold, at times boring. Dont need to see again.
This from a mega villaneuve fan who vigorously defended the first one.
That separation, though, is for everyone to make individually. It feels like you're coming from a place where you think that anyone who says it's better than good is overrating it. It's all personal preference.
Just came out of this movie. It really did something visually that my brain is still processing. What a film
Hey Dan! Nice review. FYI, Denis Villeneuve was interviewed on french tv recently (the tv show is called "La Quotidienne" on TF1. And he pretty mmuch confirmed that Messiah was going to happen.
It's in French, but I can translate the relevant bit for you:
At one point, the journalist asks: "When will you make a third Dune movie, is a third Dune movie confirmed?"
Denis answers:"as soon as we have a good script"
Then the journalist insists "So it IS confirmed?"
Denis answers with a quiet "yes"
If you think The Last of Fans were upset with Part 2, just wait to see how fans of the first two Dune movies will react to Dune Messiah - if Villeneuve ever films it.
Imagine seeing Children and God Emperor .
I recommend watching ‘The King’ with Timothée Chalamet as the lead. It’s another role that places him in an intense, leadership role. It may have been the choice to prepare for his Dune role but I can only assume. If you liked seeing him in Dune, you will definitely enjoy his acting in The King.
Yep...Dune 2 as a sequel is very much in the vein of Terminator 2, Aliens, Empire Strikes Back as far how much it expands upon the original and turns up the action and intrigue. I'll be seeing it again later this week at my local theater when it hits wide release but the trip to hit the early fan viewing at an IMAX was well with the effort!
I agree. Dune is a good sequel but T2, Aliens 2 and Empire are still the better sequels and movies in my opinion.
I never understood the reason Dune 1 & 2 receive very positive reviews. To me the movies are underwhelming and 'Okay', if not average, slow, and boring. They are not a 'revelation' as what many reviewers claimed. I believe these movies require pre-existing knowledge/familiarity to its previous rendition, or even the books to enjoy it, which brings another dilemma because, the movies are major stepdown from the richness of the text, details, acting, visualization, and even fight choreography described in the books
7:38 when it flashes back to Oct 22, 2021 and is that the vinyl for The Spy Who Loved Me!? One of the greatest 007 films AND one of the greatest scores! And is that a model of Bond's Aston Martin DB5?!
Dan rules.
I believe that is the laser disc
People seem to give Dune a pass on things no other movie would get a pass on. The first movie was such a bore, it did so little in 3 hours. The only reason I might see this is because I want to see how Zendaya does as Chani
Not sure people would enjoy Messiah as an ending to this saga. Especially considering where Paul's story goes.
when you say this film is sprinting I'd say it's rushing it skips massive chunks of the book, delete's characters all so we can have some amazing but ultimatly hollow visuals. for instance Paul rise to a messiah is also the begining of his fall at not preventing the death of someone close to him and Chani ( reed the book if you want to know more ) so good movie But not a Great movie , sorry Dan
I have read the book - I don't measure the movie's success solely by comparisons to the book.
@@DanMurrellMovies but in my personal , underscore personal opinion they have rushed the story in favour of stunning visuals & would have had far greater meaning to the story, without going into spoilers
I'm seeing this the whole month of March.
2ne will now be in heart always!
Found the Dune of the 80s fairly grotesque so I had doubts at first. Dan convinced me to seeing Pt 1 and just wanted to vote with my wallet to reward the risk they ve taken, ended up loving it seeing it as an outstanding Sci Fi movie (in my book among the best). Was kinda disappointed Pt.2 didn t make it for Christmas, got friends hooked to watch it together soon and this time, I m going convinced it ll be a great ride...but hey, let s see :).
His Blade Runner 2049, in my opinion, is right there with Aliens in my favorite sci-fi films ever made. Also everyone should watch Denis's Enemy with Jake Gyllenhaal. Its fantastic!
Just saw it in theaters yesterday. I am so glad I went to see it on the big screen. Truly a cinematic masterpiece. I literally had goosebumps the entire time. Especially as a sci-fi lover, this movie is a must watch!
Just watched it on Imax - which is definitely the format you want to see it in. I really liked Part 1 a lot, but Part 2 is even better.
I had one major and one medium-sized issue with Part 1 (as well as some trivial quibbles). The major issue is that the movie just ended abruptly half-way through the story. The medium issue is that I think Paul could have used a bit more of a pronounced arc. Paul seemed like a character swept up in events rather than being the character driving the plot. That's kind of the whole point of course, but I think Part 1 could have been written in a way that it felt like a defined chapter in Paul's life, and so a movie in its own right, rather than just the first 2.5 hours of a 5.5 hour epic. If - to spitball an example - Paul had a character arc in Part 1 that more _explicitly_ revolved around his unwillingness to kill, then his taking Jamis's life at the end of Part 1 could have resolved both of my issues.
Anyway, all this to say that Part 2 had neither of these issues. Paul has a very clear character journey - the destiny that he struggles against, and the story comes to a... if not definitive conclusion, then at least a point where you feel both satisfied and excited about what is (hopefully) yet to come. It also works surprisingly well as a standalone movie. I saw it with a friend who hadn't read the book nor seen Part 1 (though he had seen the Lynch movie 40 years ago) and he was able to pick up the characters and story without problems.
Technically of course, the movie is magnificent. I can see it cleaning up at the Oscars in those categories, but I hope it does well in some of the big awards as well, including best adapted screenplay, director and picture. Not sure how it'll go in the acting categories but if anyone gets a nom, it'll be Chalamet - I don't think any of the other actors have enough to do earn a nomination... well, maybe Butler might for sheer presence.
I don't really have any complaints about the movie - I intend to see it a couple more times on the big screen at least, and there's a good chance it'll be my favourite movie of 2024 - but if I had to pick one thing to complain about (and I really don't) then it'd be with the characterisation of Stilgar. I actually loved his nonchalant indifference in Part 1, and his turn to ardent religious fervour felt at odds with that. (It's been about 15 years since I last read the book, so can't recall how the book-Stilgar was characterised.)
Villeneuve really, really, really needs to make Part 3.
Got my tickets, but mostly just for the visuals. As someone who hadn't read the books I had a really hard time caring about Chalamet's moody character in the first movie, or about anyone else frankly.
Thanks -- agree an extended cut and deleted scenes will come.
Messiah should follow in 3-5 years so the younger members of main cast grows up enough to fit the roles.
Then there is Children of Dune and God Emperor to round off the main sequence of novels.
No doubt the other 2 novels will be made as well - but their plots and none of the other Dune novels are upto the first 3 or 4 (God emperor being lessor than the rest)
Got my 70mm Imax screen ticket yesterday. Hope sitting in the front row doesn't mire the experience too much
Good luck dude... I am watching it at Lincoln Square IMAX, can't imagine being in the first row in front of a 23m (70ft) high screen .
It’s likely there will be a Dune part 3 - as seen in the first film Paul is wearing gold armor leading the Fremen in a war against the Great Houses (pretty much the set up as part 2 ends). The only sad thing is that we will probably have to wait until 2027 for part 3.
I agree that this would be even better with an extended cut, it would give it a bit more breathing room.
That shot with gurney from the trailers at night with the explosions is so badass. I cant wait.
Yeah I have a feeling the movie will change Rabban death from being shot in the back by Stilgar and then beheaded by the Fremen. To Rabban and Gurney fighting it out.
*There are spoilers in this post*
The first 3 Dune books are my favorite Sci-fi/Fantasy books as an adult. I only mention that because my bias/expectations are going to be for the books (which are notoriously difficult to adapt due to all of the inner monologue and narrator's philosophizing). I also don't really care for Denis' style. He uses the stop. pan. stop. pan. technique the way Zack Snyder relies on slow motion or JJ Abrams uses lens flares. That really irritated me during Dune Part 1. I was also not a fan of Jessica (a bene gesserit) breaking down in a wet ball outside Paul's trial (less is more. she needed to be stoic, imo). Part 1 moved too slowly, and then it ended too abruptly. But it LOOKED FANTASTIC. Truly, Herbert's fictional galaxy brought to life. I don't have to wonder where the money went in Part 1. Part 2 is more of the same visually. Absolutely astounding visuals. Unfortunately, for me, Part 2 veered off into it's own variant branch of the DCU, if you will.
*****last chance before spoilers*****
Denis (forgive me, I cannot reliably spell his last name) sharply narrowed the focus of the movie's theme, and he did this by changing the characters of Stilgar, Chani, and Jessica so that Chani represents the pragmatic "new humanist" fremen opposite the (tragically misguided?) Stilgar who represents the deeply religious "old guard" that are beholden to religious scripture. Jessica represents the bene gesserit wizards of Oz-Dune who secretly steer the mechanisms of faith amongst the fremen to their own ends. The movie really has to change Chani for this dynamic to exist, and it sets up Jessica more as an opponent than ally of Paul. to put it frankly, Chani in the books is as much a "old guard" fremen as Stilgar. what we're seeing from Chani is the book is more an expression of Herbert's overarching theses on religion, power, fundamentalism, group dynamics, etc. I don't like the movie's Chani, but I mostly don't like her for where this leads in the finale. By the finale, she's this betrayed woman whom Paul has dropped like Jason did to Medea. that just ain't how it goes. Chani has very very iconic lines about her relationship to Paul and Irulan's, once Irulan goes over as Paul's wife. it's somewhat unforgivable to rob her of those lines in this movie. if you don't know what i'm talking about, Jessica was a concubine of Leto even though she was the love of his life and mothered his only child. He never married, but she couldn't marry him because he had to be available to marry for political reasons. likewise, Chani cannot be Paul's wife, and he actually does marry Irulan. I can only assume Denis is going to have Chani drop these lines at the start of Messiah, but man. Part 2 - imo - really went FUBAR.
So you have the Chani thing, which is bad, but not in itself going to break things. but the timeline was sped up quite a bit. Paul's sister is still in the womb by the time he conquers arakkeen. the girl is like 5 or 8 or something in the books. why does this bother me? well in addition to eliminating 5+ years of characterization and gestation of Paul from runaway prince to Fremen messiah, there's a line in the movie where the head reverend mother accuses paul of being an abomination. he's not an abomination. he's a product of the eugenics programs that the bene gesserit have been working on for generations (millennia?). the abomination is the child (still in the Jessica's womb) who was exposed the the presciensce that only reverend mothers of the bene gesserit take in the final stage of their "communion." my point is calling Paul the abomination is nonsensical. it's another iconic line, this time kept, but rendered nonsensical. the only thing remotely unusual about Paul is that he was realized a generation earlier than the bene gesserit had planned (due to the massive spice exposure, iirc).
lastly, and this is where the movie jumps the shark (for me!), is that absence of the spacing guild at climax/resolution of the film. control the spice = control the space guild. control the spacing guild = control the empire. the emperors rule only insofar as the spacing guild allows them to. the movie ends with all the Fremen going up into space ships to do battle with all the other houses' armies coming out of dune orbit. no, bro. just...no. the fremen are badass warriors, but they cannot win that fight. full stop. they win by holding the spice hostage with their nukes. they win because the spacing guild calls off the houses (remember: w/o spacing guild, there is no empire). this is all in Dune. not Messiah. not Children of Dune. ending the movie the way this ended is just...eesh. iunno man. I get you want to keep telling stories and stuff, but it's like SW without actually dropping the torpedoes into the Death Star's exhaust system. they stopped after Luke rescured Leia or something. finish the movie, dude.