@@whatsuplegend1300 yes I have seen those. Honestly more of an armored infantry vehicle than a tank, but this, this has tracked wheels. Where the wheels are the track. That’s what surprised me.
@@dylanstewart8118 They need enough crayons too, can't have marines in a confined space without a years supply of crayons. They get very nervous you see.
Would be funny if it were true but this is the most all-terrain a vehicle has ever been. It runs on mud. It runs on terrain right up to the point where it stops being terrain and starts being a swamp.
You know what else it doesn't have? Brakes. That is why it was doomed. They could stop the chain, but not the tires, so it kept rolling. There was a skid plate that popped out of the bottom to stop it.
@@bigbossimmotal slightly wrong their they could stop fine the tires do in fact make a connection to the bottom of the vehicle with the sponsons the side bit that the tires travels on and touches the entire time they move. The tires stop moving when the chain that rolls the tires stops so no braking problem the thing is a rock or a tree branch could also get stuck on top of them damaging the tires that rolled over them covering the sides led to mud build up that would burn the tires out with frictions
had a chain on both sides of the tires and were way overrated for what they were doing motorcycle chains go round and round millions of times with little maintenance same jest little bigger
Did you know that all the very *BEST* ideas that we know of have been written down at one point or another? It's true! I heard a hot dog bun vendor say it once. Emphatically.
It has one big problem: it can't go over hills or other inclines. It's because rollers are rotating freely on the chain and if they start slipping on sponsone surface wehicle would roll uncontrollable (it also works the same manner if you try to brake hard from relatively high speed or carrying a big payload).
@@Yallsellic71 tell that to the US testing out their new amp landing craft. double the size of this. and in field tests and likely soon approved. too big is not the reason.
It has to do with they space they occupy. 14 men are awkwardly shaped. If men were box shaped, you could fit more than 14 and up to the weight limit, but they aren't, so even if 14 aren't over the weight limit what are you going to do with #15, stack him on top of the others?
@@crazynedry5085 chain is on the wheels axel. One side we can call stationary (sponson) the lever action doubles the speed at the wheels moving surface. Victorian engineers used tricks like this a lot to get speed out of slow steam engines.
@@teolynx3805 or worse, in slippery clay they slide against the sponsons? My favourite will alway be that triangle wheel thing form the 70’s movie. (3 wheels on one hub) It was military originally and they nailed it right there, but then abandoned the design :o(
what they mean by sponsons the side bit in the middle of the tracks is in fact needed for the tires to make contact to the vehicle this enables stopping the vehicle so the tires on the tracks don't jest roll freely this also allows turning. Rocks would destroy the tires as they got stuck on the topside of it same with branches Covering the gap where the sponsons and the tires meet lead to mud build up that would heat up the soft rubber ties that make the track making them blow up there is no solution to move the mud without active watering down of the track making them useless outside of wet areas
It would've been interesting to see if the drive wheels getting clogged issue would have gotten worked out eventually via some sort of mudflaps type thing or something to keep the rocks and everything out of where it was causing a problem, similar to how a lot of other designs have teething issues in the early stages but get fixed as the design matures. Just like how jet engines have become more durable, quieter, more fuel efficient, etc. compared to where they were during WWII. It's a relatively common theme with military tech, that later iterations of the same design fix initial issues. The M3 Grease Gun is one such example where in the M3A2 version they managed to reduce complexity and thus expense while simultaneously increasing durability by removing the charging handle which could break off too easily, in favor of a much simpler solution - simply milling a hole in the bolt carrier where you put your fingers to charge the gun. Or how there was a carburetor issue with the Spitfire, but with a relatively simple little device they were able to fiz the problem for later models.
Just get rid of the sponson and do what the matilda did with chutes to get debris out? Sounds like the weakest reason to abandon a promising system EDIT: For anyone wondering what my full solution would be since "getting rid of the sponson" likely led to confusion. See my comment below.
Exactly what i thought! Why keep the sponson? Seems like this would even be workable for extraterrestrial vehicular exploration, both manned and unmanned. Just get rid of the sponson. Beside... there's no mud or vegetation on Mars. It's based on an idea that's been practical since time immemorial. Maybe it's time to dust this one off.
Contrary to what the idiot making the video says, the reason it failed was a lack of functional brakes. You could easily stop the drive chain, but there were no brakes on the tires themselves. So it had a skid plate that came out of the bottom to grind it to a halt. In mud, it stopped RIGHT NOW, and on concrete, it stopped, well, usually.
@@NoobNoobNews That is not true at all... What? The US army also maintains a de facto museum specifically to educate its project members on armored vehicle history and design.
What’s worse is that he claims that using logs, as a means to move heavy objects, predates the wheel. The sled was used to do such tasks. Logs were not large, nor straight, nor plentiful in the places of ancient history where very heavy objects were needing to be moved.
Hmm what if we made this again but made the smaller wheels work as a way to keep the vehicle floating on water but also what if they rolled as the vehicle was driving possibly increasing speed heavily
Are they not free spinning in this video? Would be hilarious if they put electric motors to drive X number of wheels on it. So it could actually drive on roads or good terrain! Interesting vehicle.
This vehicle is one of many interesting offbeat things the US Army tried back in the 1960s. The Army used to have a syndicated TV program called _The Big Picture_ which showcased many topics including experimental vehicles running through the Aberdeen Proving Ground or Warren, Michigan GVSC.
@@Chicky_Lumps one of my late family members that worked on the project made one out of a vw bus we still have photos of it and he drove it in swamps and other muddy lake areas sadly it was either sold with his land or scrapped towards the end of his life but from the info he kept on it the thing should go just about anywhere but steep hard dirt hills as the tires weren't as good as metal tracks for gripping.
diagonal slots on the surface of the sponsons would cause MUD to be squeezed out as the tyres roll along the surface of the sponsons , a more active system could have geared corkscrew or helix shaped parts inside the diagonal slots to force out debris from the surface of the sponsons to allow a clean surface for the tyres to roll on .... 🙄🤔😮❤ did anybody consider this at the design stage of this 😢
"This beast is almost unstoppable" With the exception of mud and vegetation which is basically what a threaded vehicle is meant to drive over with easy since WW1.
bye sponsons the side bit in the middle of the tracks is in fact needed for the tires to make contact to the vehicle this enables stopping the vehicle so the tires on the tracks don't jest roll freely this also allows turning. Rocks would destroy the tires as they got stuck on the topside of it same with branches Covering the gap where the sponsons and the tires meet lead to mud build up that would heat up the soft rubber ties that make the track making them blow up there is no solution to move the mud without active watering down of the track making them useless outside of wet areas
Just for the fun of it : some French tanks also had penumatic wheels/tires used as rollers under their tracks. It was said it was for more pleasant to drive, easier to maintain and quieter.
I love it. I want a miniature electric one to seat four… with a waterproof hub motor in every sub-wheel. Thus the concept goes a lot faster with better braking and maneuverability, using custom ML control to combine both modes at once- also now much more efficient on roads. Would appear in a Fast and Furious film, ob
That is exactly the problem I was expecting. My step brother has an Argo XTV 6x6 that he bought for hunting in the South Louisiana swamp & it picks up all kinds of sticks & vegetation & jams it up in the wheel wells. The plastic boat like body has several cracks now from some of the larger sticks it picked up into the wheel wells.
A tank using wheels as tracks is not something I’d thought I’d see.
Definitely not what you think.
You ever see an army stryker bro? Look it up real quick basically a tank on wheels
@@whatsuplegend1300 yes I have seen those. Honestly more of an armored infantry vehicle than a tank, but this, this has tracked wheels. Where the wheels are the track. That’s what surprised me.
@@whatsuplegend1300 wheels AS tracks not just wheeled vehicles
@@wacky_duck1095 gotcha
@@whatsuplegend1300 A Stryker is not a tank it's an APC.
Marines are the standart US military transport capacity unit.
I was going to say those are heavy marines ☠️
@@dylanstewart8118 They need enough crayons too, can't have marines in a confined space without a years supply of crayons.
They get very nervous you see.
The CG is too high, there will be a lot of roll overs.
@@dylanstewart8118 428lb lol
Anything but metric
"6000 pounds or 14 marines..."
Damn, those are some heavy marines
Thinnest Americans be like.
428.57 lbs each
Lol I was thinking the same thing, but it's probably more of a space issue than a weight problem
Weight vs volume issue.
@@MrJohnnyDistortioni mean... with full equipment possible 😮
It’s a “some terrain vehicle”
Would be funny if it were true but this is the most all-terrain a vehicle has ever been. It runs on mud. It runs on terrain right up to the point where it stops being terrain and starts being a swamp.
@@joshyoung1440 does it go on the AIR!?
@The_Mimewar
Only if the air in the tires have previously been replaced by helium prior to deployment ☝️🤨
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@@The_Mimewaris air considered terrain by you?
@@The_Mimewar Yes. 6-7pm Eastern Standard Time. (Check your local listings)
I cannot imagine that drive chain having much longevity.
You know what else it doesn't have? Brakes.
That is why it was doomed. They could stop the chain, but not the tires, so it kept rolling. There was a skid plate that popped out of the bottom to stop it.
@@bigbossimmotalWhat an interesting problem
The reality of operating any tracked vehicle. Our Leo 2 back in '82 was a garage queen.
@@bigbossimmotal slightly wrong their they could stop fine the tires do in fact make a connection to the bottom of the vehicle with the sponsons the side bit that the tires travels on and touches the entire time they move. The tires stop moving when the chain that rolls the tires stops so no braking problem the thing is a rock or a tree branch could also get stuck on top of them damaging the tires that rolled over them covering the sides led to mud build up that would burn the tires out with frictions
had a chain on both sides of the tires and were way overrated for what they were doing motorcycle chains go round and round millions of times with little maintenance same jest little bigger
*Imagine tyres AND tracks!*
Write that down, write that down.
Did you know that all the very *BEST* ideas that we know of have been written down at one point or another?
It's true! I heard a hot dog bun vendor say it once. Emphatically.
Image a vehicle with tires in the front and tracks in the back.
there was actually a prototype French tank built in 1950 that utilized that system it had road wheels with tires on them and standard tracks as well
@@AndrewTJ31so a half track?
Maybe we could have a vehicle with just good old-fashioned tracks?
Visibly Angry Boss
Man thrown from window
I hope there’s a blueprint or something to build this, cause this would make a KILLER Vehicle in Louisiana & Florida
You heard of the marsh master buggy track vehicles?
It has one big problem: it can't go over hills or other inclines. It's because rollers are rotating freely on the chain and if they start slipping on sponsone surface wehicle would roll uncontrollable (it also works the same manner if you try to brake hard from relatively high speed or carrying a big payload).
You could propably make a small version pretty easily, the only really hard part is getting those special tyres
It sounds like the vegetation clogging problem could've been fixed. I think that was an excuse to cancel it for other reasons.
Things in US military being canceled for non objective and practical reasons? Never!
@@affegpus4195it was a bad design.
It's too big lol
Surely just replace 1 wheel with a scraper or angled wedge to clear out anything each rotation?
@@Yallsellic71 tell that to the US testing out their new amp landing craft. double the size of this. and in field tests and likely soon approved. too big is not the reason.
If only it had a cannon so we would get it in War thunder...
Gaijin would fuck up the handling so it would get stuck on literally anything.
Attack the D point!
@@reinbeers5322nah, it would be in a $40 pack and be the best tank in its tier.
@@Fv4k5
Affirmative!
COVER ME!!!
And then have the spec docs leaked because the in-game model doesn’t fit the real life parameters.
"Why it failed is not what you think"
Nope, it failed exactly because of what I was thinking.
Beat me to it.
Right? 😂
Well, I was thinking "mechanical unreliability" in general. Does that count?
Thought it failed due to resource unsustainability.
@@Just_A_DudeIn my opinion, it does.
Well, they turn, but not in the way you think...
Should use the word rotate instead.
...rotate around the center of mass axis
2 700kg divided by 14 = 192 kg… damn Marines are build different 😂
100 kg of Marine and gear, plus 92 kg of crayons (1 week of rations)
@@FarewellChorus haha, now it makes all sense
You're telling me that Marines are 92% crayon?! Checks out
@@SamboMamboTV Or, it could be a limit on physical space rather than weight... but, no, the crayon thing is probably right.
@@HiddenWindshield yeah, both may be correct, but I am leaning to the crayons as well
Believe it or not this concept derived directly from a marine who drew this with his crayon ration rather than eating it.
He pulled the one he used out of his nose
@@MikeEwalt legends has it he ate it along with the booger.
Such technological optimism in the 1950s and early 1960s.
Didnt know American marines weigh 200kg
It has to do with they space they occupy. 14 men are awkwardly shaped. If men were box shaped, you could fit more than 14 and up to the weight limit, but they aren't, so even if 14 aren't over the weight limit what are you going to do with #15, stack him on top of the others?
@@RobotDCLXVIyeah i don't see his point at all, he must have never used an elevator or something
@@RobotDCLXVI I think it was suppose to be joke :D
Maybe he meant [US Marine + all of his stuff/equipement] ? 🤷♂️
Isn't that the average American's weight?
“Six thousand pounds of cargo *_or_* 14 Marines.” Uh, we might wanna revisit the enlistment weight limit… 😂
/sarc
Or the equipment weight.
Actually...how this machine worked, and why it failed, was EXACTLY what I thought.
Ground speed is double the chain speed, which is a nice benefit :)
@@teamidris Wait how
@@crazynedry5085 chain is on the wheels axel. One side we can call stationary (sponson) the lever action doubles the speed at the wheels moving surface. Victorian engineers used tricks like this a lot to get speed out of slow steam engines.
@@teamidrisonly on hard surfaces in mud it becomes the same as chain speed (because rollers don't rotate in deep mud).
@@teolynx3805 or worse, in slippery clay they slide against the sponsons? My favourite will alway be that triangle wheel thing form the 70’s movie. (3 wheels on one hub) It was military originally and they nailed it right there, but then abandoned the design :o(
It was built to travel through what eventually stopped it
so it's a failed design?
Deemed almost unstoppable...except for from mud and sticks. :)
Y'know at speed on road that is the most yabba-dabba-do goofy shit I've ever seen on a real vehicle.
That's a cool and awesome looking design idea. They made a few of these. Sounds like debris would be a easy fix.
what they mean by sponsons the side bit in the middle of the tracks is in fact needed for the tires to make contact to the vehicle this enables stopping the vehicle so the tires on the tracks don't jest roll freely this also allows turning. Rocks would destroy the tires as they got stuck on the topside of it same with branches Covering the gap where the sponsons and the tires meet lead to mud build up that would heat up the soft rubber ties that make the track making them blow up there is no solution to move the mud without active watering down of the track making them useless outside of wet areas
Not easy at all when you're in a fight and stupid mud is preventing you getting out the kill box
@@jamesmaddison4546 why would a logistical vehicle be in a fight? Have you tried deleting Warthunder client and touching some grass?
The military engineers heard the saying "don't reinvent the wheel" and took it to heart
It would've been interesting to see if the drive wheels getting clogged issue would have gotten worked out eventually via some sort of mudflaps type thing or something to keep the rocks and everything out of where it was causing a problem, similar to how a lot of other designs have teething issues in the early stages but get fixed as the design matures. Just like how jet engines have become more durable, quieter, more fuel efficient, etc. compared to where they were during WWII. It's a relatively common theme with military tech, that later iterations of the same design fix initial issues. The M3 Grease Gun is one such example where in the M3A2 version they managed to reduce complexity and thus expense while simultaneously increasing durability by removing the charging handle which could break off too easily, in favor of a much simpler solution - simply milling a hole in the bolt carrier where you put your fingers to charge the gun. Or how there was a carburetor issue with the Spitfire, but with a relatively simple little device they were able to fiz the problem for later models.
Just get rid of the sponson and do what the matilda did with chutes to get debris out? Sounds like the weakest reason to abandon a promising system
EDIT: For anyone wondering what my full solution would be since "getting rid of the sponson" likely led to confusion. See my comment below.
I agree with you. Moreover they been building tank's for a while now back then..
Exactly what i thought! Why keep the sponson? Seems like this would even be workable for extraterrestrial vehicular exploration, both manned and unmanned. Just get rid of the sponson. Beside... there's no mud or vegetation on Mars.
It's based on an idea that's been practical since time immemorial. Maybe it's time to dust this one off.
Contrary to what the idiot making the video says, the reason it failed was a lack of functional brakes. You could easily stop the drive chain, but there were no brakes on the tires themselves. So it had a skid plate that came out of the bottom to grind it to a halt.
In mud, it stopped RIGHT NOW, and on concrete, it stopped, well, usually.
Well, projects like this are usually run by people who have never seen a tank, let alone worked on one.
@@NoobNoobNews That is not true at all... What? The US army also maintains a de facto museum specifically to educate its project members on armored vehicle history and design.
This is COOL AF!
I must build this with lego technic...
I don't think this guy knows what prehistoric means...
- log rollers approach that... maybe still recorded, lol...
Means "before writing" and yeah we knew about rolling stuff before we had the written word.
It means "before written records" so yes he does know what "prehistoric" means.
What’s worse is that he claims that using logs, as a means to move heavy objects, predates the wheel. The sled was used to do such tasks. Logs were not large, nor straight, nor plentiful in the places of ancient history where very heavy objects were needing to be moved.
Hmm what if we made this again but made the smaller wheels work as a way to keep the vehicle floating on water but also what if they rolled as the vehicle was driving possibly increasing speed heavily
Sounds like a engineering nightmare to make that work. I get your idea though.
Just get pontoon trucks. Look up pontoon excavator.
no way to reliably stop or turn the vehicle
Are they not free spinning in this video?
Would be hilarious if they put electric motors to drive X number of wheels on it. So it could actually drive on roads or good terrain!
Interesting vehicle.
hey!
you found colin furze' newest build!
I believe I saw one at the Marine Corps Mechanized Museum in Camp Pendleton
you would be correct i think 2 of them survived and that's one of them. the only one i know of anyways
good condition to
Nifty Prototype ✅
I love your videos.
This vehicle is one of many interesting offbeat things the US Army tried back in the 1960s. The Army used to have a syndicated TV program called _The Big Picture_ which showcased many topics including experimental vehicles running through the Aberdeen Proving Ground or Warren, Michigan GVSC.
My grandma had the civilian version of this, she used to drive through the swamps at night on the way to do her hate crimes
I didn't know the Ku Klux Klan recruited women 🤔
🌌🔭
On a serious note a small version of this would make an awesome ATV.
@@Chicky_Lumps one of my late family members that worked on the project made one out of a vw bus we still have photos of it and he drove it in swamps and other muddy lake areas sadly it was either sold with his land or scrapped towards the end of his life but from the info he kept on it the thing should go just about anywhere but steep hard dirt hills as the tires weren't as good as metal tracks for gripping.
Missed this channel. Thank you sir❤
Biblically accurate tank.
That is one heck of an interesting vehicle😎
Today I learned, a marine weighs 428lbs.
Includes weight of gear
@@rudysmith1445 Accountability office did a report in 2016 (sorry, RUclips doesn't allow links) stating average marine carries 120lbs of gear.
Big tank ❌
Big cassete tape ✅
Reminds me of the tri-tread APOC transit from ‘Damnation Alley’
It was called Landmaster & it was a real vehicle, not created to be just a movie prop & the vehicle still exists.
🌌🔭
@@scottmcintosh4397 way cool, but are the giant carnivorous cockroaches real as well? 🪳
@@chrismayer3919
We're working on building a bigger, better cockroach 🪳
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@@scottmcintosh4397 😰😳😓
@@scottmcintosh4397 The same tri-wheel concept has been used on some shopping carts, of all things.
Our black Cadillacs work just fine
Da hail
That is so cool! I would love to see one of these in person.
Actually a pretty great design
Dang those are some heavy marines
Prehistoric principles? So this is how the dinosaurs got around 🦕 😂
It also explains why they went extinct 🦖
🌌🔭
Those Marines are heavy!
those are some heavy marines
All terrain ❌ Some terrain ✅
What's funny is ball bearings work using this same principle so the majority of vehicles and machines still use this roller system in a way.
Mad respect for putting metric units in your videos! Other videos made in the US need to get with the times and follow suit!
The metric system is a communist plot.
I like how they stuck on the windshield from the C1 Corvette
What in the forgotten War Thunder, Warhammer 40k, Bad Piggies FUCK am I looking at?!
One of the few times the discontinued vehicle actually looks pretty useful and practical
The design looks funny enough but quite unstoppable
diagonal slots on the surface
of the sponsons would cause
MUD to be squeezed out as the
tyres roll along the surface of
the sponsons , a more active
system could have geared
corkscrew or helix shaped parts
inside the diagonal slots to
force out debris from the
surface of the sponsons to
allow a clean surface for the
tyres to roll on .... 🙄🤔😮❤
did anybody consider this at
the design stage of this 😢
This would be a really cool concept to revisit!
This would be amazing in the woods of Maine!
I feel like this thing would make an absolutely adorable noise
"6000 lbs or 14 Marines"
ooooh shots fired! Or as the Marines would say, contact!
Should we use wheels or tracks?
Yes.
"Do you want tracks or wheels on this vehicle?"
*Yes.*
They Upgraded Little Willie.
A tracked rolligon! Just when I thought I’d seen everything
They did it.... they reinvented the wheel
"This beast is almost unstoppable"
With the exception of mud and vegetation which is basically what a threaded vehicle is meant to drive over with easy since WW1.
Yeah this was for stuff normal tanks would be too heavy to deal with and in turn get buried/stuck. Kinda negates the argument there
I can see why it was unstoppable 😂 definitely have trouble stopping
bye sponsons the side bit in the middle of the tracks is in fact needed for the tires to make contact to the vehicle this enables stopping the vehicle so the tires on the tracks don't jest roll freely this also allows turning. Rocks would destroy the tires as they got stuck on the topside of it same with branches Covering the gap where the sponsons and the tires meet lead to mud build up that would heat up the soft rubber ties that make the track making them blow up there is no solution to move the mud without active watering down of the track making them useless outside of wet areas
This is actually a genius idea. I’d like to see a modern iteration.
That thing looks absolutely ridiculous. I want one.
"wheeled or tracked?"
"Yes."
A track. You're describing a tracked vehicle
"So, do you want it to be a wheeled vehicle or a tracked vehicle ?"
"Yes."
Some French tanks used rubber road-wheels (like ordinary tires) for a few of their tanks, in additional to regular tank-tracks.
Just for the fun of it : some French tanks also had penumatic wheels/tires used as rollers under their tracks. It was said it was for more pleasant to drive, easier to maintain and quieter.
What a goofy beast. Stabbable too.
How many wheels should it have, sir?
"Yes"
Literally "unstoppable" :D
I love it. I want a miniature electric one to seat four… with a waterproof hub motor in every sub-wheel. Thus the concept goes a lot faster with better braking and maneuverability, using custom ML control to combine both modes at once- also now much more efficient on roads. Would appear in a Fast and Furious film, ob
Yep those wheels are definitely turning
pov: a truck dealership in 2049
Wow, the '60s and '70s had wild ideas. Didn't know this existed..
It looks cool as hell
Profit or loss is awesome 👍, Learning series would be interesting on the side😃
“How many tires do we install?”
“Yes”
very cool vdo, the tie-in to the prehistoric technology of rolling loads over poles
Same thing happens to my Onewheel when I have a fender on. If the mud cakes up in there, it grinds to a halt.
Honestly seems useful today maybe not with the military but for rescue and such i think it could find a good use
Yes, the REELS of the bus go round and round.
1:08:03 a good old proud American
his introduction gave me unironic goosebumps
What an interesting concept
Those are some heavy marines
Kudos! Very good!
"Vehicle that can't be stopped"
"Vehicle damaged by weeds"
😂😂
Ah yes
The freedom units
I need one of these in my life!
That is exactly the problem I was expecting. My step brother has an Argo XTV 6x6 that he bought for hunting in the South Louisiana swamp & it picks up all kinds of sticks & vegetation & jams it up in the wheel wells. The plastic boat like body has several cracks now from some of the larger sticks it picked up into the wheel wells.
When I was 3 my dad went to the store and never came back. It's not what you think.
When you replace “XM-759” with “my ex wife” in the commentary it describes her perfectly. What a beautiful beast.
*LOAD HIGH EXPLOSIVE*
Beaurocratic design by a panel having never been outside, much less on a battlefield. "There ya go boys! Thanks for the widows!"
I’d love to play with one of these for a while
Dude, that thing looks much better than the soviet screw drive vehicles.