The Fimi Mini 3 & 3SE.. Get More Updates.. But! Falls Short Again. O.M.G.!!! or is it just too cold?

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  • Опубликовано: 16 янв 2025

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  • @chase1535
    @chase1535 24 дня назад +1

    Brrrr Gman.........better you then me.......Interesting vids my friend. The FM3 was weird but the SE did ok. Time to definately retire them till spring......Time to bring out the Potensics for the winter. Hope you have a gr8 holiday with your family, and Merry Christmas from Oregon, USA.

  • @RonaldBrown59
    @RonaldBrown59 25 дней назад +1

    I didn't realize the Fimi Mini 3 was so affected by the cold weather, that horizon was very crooked. The SE was much better. Thanks for braving the elements and getting out there in the cold weather for the testing. Great video, and thanks for sharing.

  • @richardharkness6777
    @richardharkness6777 24 дня назад +2

    Thank you for putting up with the frozen hands! I had the Fimi Mini 3, but all the pictures and videos were way out of focus. I am now flying the Potensic Atom and the left side of every picture and video is blurry with noise. Working with Potensic to see if there is a fix for it.

    • @maxboy99
      @maxboy99 7 дней назад

      I have a Fimi Mini 3 and have been dealing with an out-of-focus issue. I was considering switching to the Potensic Atom, but based on your experience, it seems to have a similar out-of-focus problem as well.

  • @cochise7450
    @cochise7450 25 дней назад

    Merry Christmas from Turkiye. I admire your devotion for testing drones :) Have a good 2025 :)

  • @lexsteel12
    @lexsteel12 25 дней назад +2

    Thank you for the update. Is too bad the Fimi mini 3 sucks so bad in cold weather. I guess I won't be bringing my Fimi mini 3 any time soon in this cold.

  • @cezarydutawski235
    @cezarydutawski235 25 дней назад +2

    Trochę szalony pomysł przy tej temperaturze ale to niesamowite że ta maszyna radzi sobie i podziwiam Twoją determinację. Jak zawsze dobra robota. Wesołych, spokojnych i radosnych Świąt Bożego Narodzenia. Pozdrawiam z Polski 🎄🎄🎄

  • @jermynwilliams7084
    @jermynwilliams7084 25 дней назад

    Good day to you Gorillaman. I got the fimi mini 3 update yesterday and did about an hour worth of flight time, everything seems to be working fine. Although I am in Jamaica where it is warm and sunny, about 32 degrees Celsius. Stay safe and I am looking forward to more great stuff from you. Blessings from Jamaica.

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  25 дней назад

      I suspect in a warmer climate it works.. but agaiin.. nothing really changed.

  • @danwolfe2249
    @danwolfe2249 24 дня назад

    Marry Christmas

  • @jesusgjchuza6491
    @jesusgjchuza6491 25 дней назад

    Very nice

  • @dronesdehonduras
    @dronesdehonduras 25 дней назад

    Gracias por ese tremendo sacrificio para informarnos. ¡Casi terminas CONGELADO!
    *Te deseo una Feliz Navidad y que el 2025 sea lleno de felicidad y muchos éxitos!* 👌👍🏆
    Un abrazo.

  • @ssb73q
    @ssb73q 25 дней назад

    Hi GM, thanks for the testing and sharing. Even the se had horizon tilt. Focus also seem to degrade with time. These Fimi 3's and me are just not designed for winter. At lease we can do firmware updates. lol

  • @richardhykes6939
    @richardhykes6939 25 дней назад

    Merry Christmas where's you keep the brass. Monkey. Testing is good. Stay out of the my man. Keep on flying my friend. Hope the new year will be good Er

  • @alp4446
    @alp4446 14 дней назад

    Any wind test idea's?

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  14 дней назад

      I have flown all the Fimi Mini drones in substantial wind. They do very well for their size. A lot better than the Original DJI Mini drones.

    • @alp4446
      @alp4446 13 дней назад

      @@GorillamansGarage I found one of your tests concerning wind. I wonder if they try to return when max. is met. (not a dare!) need a big grass field

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  13 дней назад

      @@alp4446 : Usually the system only gives a warning message of strong winds. An Advisory note saying be cautious. If the wind got too strong.... Bye-Bye Drone !

  • @WorleybirdDrones
    @WorleybirdDrones 15 дней назад

    Thanks for the videos, just found your channel yesterday while researching the fimi mini 3 as I want to get one and wanted to see who has tested cold weather.
    Hope you are thawed out now ;-)
    I don't think whatever they do is going to work. The manual states the temperature range of this drone is 0 to 40° c.
    Be nice if they make it the same as the DJI mini 4 pro which is -10 to 40° c. Which I was able to fly okay at -18c last year with no issues.

  • @edmondomazzantini
    @edmondomazzantini 23 дня назад +1

    Little update:
    After the new camera firmware v1013B, i flew this morning at 7.00 am and at +5 degrees and .... everything's still perfect. The flight last 15 minutes and no out of focus, perfect gimbal movement .
    I wrote to fimi support to know about the issue of the app that keeps asking me to update the camera firmware despite I already perfectly installed.
    Their reply:" We're still trying to locate and address this issue." So, maybe, they're going to solve it in the future.
    In the meanwhile, my drone is perfect.
    Merry Christmas to all of you from Italy!

    • @paolob.5101
      @paolob.5101 20 дней назад +2

      Ciao Edmondo, anche io stesso problema con camera fuori fuoco, ma nel mio caso soprattutto la metà sinistra dell'inquadratura. Con il nuovo firmware 1013b mi sembra di capire che volando a 5 gradi non hai avuto nessun problema, corretto? Ma allora nel tuo caso con un solo aggiornamento hanno risolto il problema? Pensavo fosse un problema hardware del sensore. Io non ho ancora avuto la possibilità di provarlo col nuovo firmware.

    • @edmondomazzantini
      @edmondomazzantini 17 дней назад

      Ciao Paolo, did you have a chance to try the Fimi with the new firmware?

    • @paolob.5101
      @paolob.5101 16 дней назад

      @ ciao, i have tried three new Fimi Mini 3 with 1013B camera firmware at outdoor 14 Celsius degree and no change, i have all out of focus, in particular the half left side. It is a hardware problem, no chance to improve with future firmware update. In the same day at 14 degree i have flown my Dji Mini 2 and Dji Mini 3 withouth problems, the pictures and video perfect!

    • @edmondomazzantini
      @edmondomazzantini 16 дней назад

      @@paolob.5101 ok, I understand.

  • @eulogiorobles5516
    @eulogiorobles5516 25 дней назад

    Hello GM. I have not tested the update yet. But last week, I made a test disabling HDR, and the videos are a lot better, excellent focus. We are in the middle of summer over here, the videos were still out of focus even on a sunny day, until I made this change. Hope it helps. Happy Holidays!

  • @soularproject
    @soularproject 3 дня назад

    In my search to find my perfect drone. I needed to find waypoints with POI. Thought I had found it with the Fimi mini 3, but two reviewers (you) have found that videos and photos are out of focus in cold weather, and horizons are not level. This only occurs in cold weather. What are the chances that these types of errors can be solved with firmware updates, and do you think Fimi will actually do it?

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  3 дня назад

      I dont think they can fix this issue. An alternative would be the Fimi X8 Mini V2. It has no issue in the cold.

  • @ungabunga3823
    @ungabunga3823 14 дней назад

    I bought the fimi mini 3 se after watching your video
    Everything is good but I can't put gimbal guard back it's really hard can I keep it like that without gimble guard

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  14 дней назад +1

      If you are not banging it about.. you don't need the guard on. I have to flip the craft on its back witht he arms out and gently manipulate it back on... Yes.. worst design ever.

  • @edmondomazzantini
    @edmondomazzantini 25 дней назад +1

    We have to remember that the Fimi Mini 3 SE has a completely different gimbal and, being simpler than the Fimi 3, is absolutely possible that it could work better.

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  25 дней назад +1

      Sometimes the more sophisticated an item is... the more it will fail.

  • @edmondomazzantini
    @edmondomazzantini 25 дней назад

    Ok guys: two updates for the Fimi mini 3 (no SE). The issue of continually asking for an update of the camera firmware, can be solved switching on the radio before and the drone after it. In my case it worked 100% and all 3 firmwares (FC, Vision and Camera version 1013b) are installed correctly.
    I live in Italy but today we are at 6 C degrees and usually my Fimi was out of focus. I tried the camera right now and, in my case, the video is totally sharp, even at 6 C. No weird gimbal behaviour, everything is perfect. Even inside my home, without GPS, the update to the FC is perfect. I flew with the optical flow and the drone is rock steady. Please, give us some report, because I can't go below 6 degrees here in the centre of Italy but remember that I had issues of focus before the update at this temperature.

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  25 дней назад +1

      Someone also suggested to turn HDR off! I am not usually going to fly in -18C but would like to fly in -10C. I will try again ... it's -6C today... but with Christmas and all... I doubt I will get up in the next few days.

    • @edmondomazzantini
      @edmondomazzantini 25 дней назад

      @@GorillamansGarage in any case...merry Christmas and thank you for all you do to keep us updated about the Fimi drones.

  • @danwolfe2249
    @danwolfe2249 25 дней назад

    Nice review, cold, what do you know about the new fimi x8 pro 2025,??

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  25 дней назад

      That it is only $399 in Brazil.. That it does not have O.A. .. That it has 48MP photos and probably 60 fps. ... That it has 1/1.3 camera... basically just whats on their web site.. www.fimi.com/fimi-x8-pro2025.html

    • @danwolfe2249
      @danwolfe2249 25 дней назад

      What is the o,a

    • @danwolfe2249
      @danwolfe2249 25 дней назад

      Wish you would review it

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  25 дней назад

      @@danwolfe2249 : Obstacle Avoidance.

    • @danwolfe2249
      @danwolfe2249 25 дней назад

      Da, sorry and thanks

  • @edmondomazzantini
    @edmondomazzantini 22 дня назад

    Another update: the Fimi support just solved my problem with the camera firmware. I'm so happy!!

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  21 день назад +2

      @@edmondomazzantini what version numbers

    • @edmondomazzantini
      @edmondomazzantini 20 дней назад

      @@GorillamansGarage the last one, the 1013B.

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  20 дней назад +1

      @@edmondomazzantini : My FM3SE was better than the FM3. Both still have focal issues when compared to warmer weather flight videos.

    • @edmondomazzantini
      @edmondomazzantini 20 дней назад

      @@GorillamansGarage I think that's because of the complexity of all the system gimbal+lens+Cmos. But I have to say: within a range from 0 to 10 degrees, it seems that the focus improved a little bit.

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  20 дней назад +1

      @@edmondomazzantini : I have not tried in the milder temperature zones yet (0-8C). If it has improved focally.. I wonder how it was possible. You can't physically change the focal length???

  • @Ethankubly
    @Ethankubly 12 дней назад

    How is your video quality so good?

  • @stanggt222
    @stanggt222 25 дней назад

    I can only imagine how Frozen your fingertips are...... When I was up in Alaska in October 40 degree weather with 20 mph winds I was freezing my fingertips off trying to fly. I live in Florida so thankfully I don't have to worry about these cold weather problems you're having.
    Need to figure out how we can invent some heated joysticks.

  • @bpatrick6744
    @bpatrick6744 6 дней назад

    Hi I think the update will not solve the problem which seems mechanical (physical) to me, the FIMI mini 3 had to be calibrated at room temperature (around 20 degrees Celsius) The components of the camera are subject to deformation (expansion) due to temperature changes. Calibrated at room temperature, the focus is modified when the temperature is far from the nominal. I noticed a difference after trying this. Before takeoff, I preheat the camera by launching Recording (video on) for 2 or 3 minutes (to be seen depending on the temperature). FYI, the drone does not tolerate a certain waiting time (between 5 and 8 minutes, or more again depending on the ambient temperature), in which case, it cuts the recording and asks to wait for the drone to cool down. By letting this happen, we know the limit. It remains to evaluate an adequate preheating time so that the camera assembly reaches nominal temperature (the temperature will be more or less maintained in flight filming. The focus apparently is better, that's my impression. Good luck to you
    Salut Je pense que l’updapte ne résoudra pas le problème qui me semble mécanique ( physique ) , le FIMI mini 3 a du être étalonné à température ambiante ( environ 20 degrés Celsius ) Les éléments constitutifs de la caméra sont sujet à la déformation ( dilatation ) dûe aux changements de température . Étalonné à température ambiante , le focus est modifié quand la température est éloignée du nominal . J’ai noté une différence après avoir essayé ceci . Avant le décollage , je préchauffe la caméra en lançant le Recording ( vidéo on ) pendant 2 ou 3 minutes ( à voir selon la température ) . Pour info , le drone ne tolère pas un certain temps d’attente ( entre 5 et 8 mns , ou plus là aussi selon la température ambiante ) , auquel cas , il coupe l’enregistrement et demande d’attendre que le drone refroidisse . En laissant cela se produire , on connaît la limite . il reste à évaluer un temps de préchauffage adéquat pour que l’ensemble caméra arrive à température nominale ( la température sera plus ou moins maintenue en vol filmant . Le focus apparemment s’en trouve meilleur , c’est mon impression . Bonne continuation à vous

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  6 дней назад

      @@bpatrick6744 almost proves the lens is not glass.

    • @bpatrick6744
      @bpatrick6744 6 дней назад

      I think the lenses are of very good quality. Apart from the focus problem, the image is pretty good (although compressed for image weight reasons). A plastic lens would not have this quality of definition, the image would be milky. Or else, it would be a design defect (polishing of the glass) which I doubt. We are on Sony, and it is still a reference. Even if we are not on the high end, it must still hold up. On the other hand, the assembly of the camera must be sensitive to thermal deformation, and if the distance of the elements is modified (distance between the lenses), it modifies the focal length, therefore the focus. And if we look closely, there are other points that are not the best. Like the centering of the lens, the machining of the edge of the optics. We are not on a high precision product. Afterwards, it's hard to get something excellent at this price. I'm sure that at double the price and therefore equivalent to other quality drones, this drone could be very efficient. The fact remains that with a fixed focal length (f1/7) and extreme temperature differences of 40, 50, or even 60 degrees (+40 • to -20 •) we can only expect mechanical fluctuations. And image rendering cannot be optimal outside the nominal temperature range. Personally, I note this failing point, while I don't have extreme conditions. Current temperatures here are around 10 degrees Celsius. And the image is already affected. -10 degrees Celsius seems inevitably problematic to me. Already for the human body! We may be asking too much of these little beasts. There may also be a need to know the drone better to partially overcome these problems. I'm working on it
      Je pense que les lentilles sont de qualité très correcte . En dehors du problème de focus , l’image est plutôt bonne ( bien que compressé pour des raisons de poids d’image ) . Une lentille en plastique n’aurait pas cette qualité de définition , l’image serait laiteuse . Où bien alors , il s’agirait d’un défaut de conception ( polissage du verre ) ce dont je doute . On est sur du Sony , et c’est quand même une référence . Même si on est pas sur du haut de gamme , ça doit quand même tenir la route . Par contre , l’assemblage de la caméra doit être sensible à la déformation thermique , et si la distance des éléments est modifié ( distance entre les lentilles ) , ça modifie la focale , donc le focus . Et si on regarde bien , il y a d’autres points qui ne sont pas des meilleurs . Comme le centrage de la lentille , l’usinage du bord de l’optique . On n’est pas sur un produit de haute précision . Après , difficile d’avoir de l’excellent à ce tarif . Je suis sur qu’ au double du prix et donc équivalent à d’autres drones de qualité , ce drone pourrait être très performant . Reste qu’àvec une focale fixe ( f1/7 ) et des écarts de température extrêmes de 40 , 50 , voir 60 degrés ( + 40 • à -20 • ) on ne peut que s’attendre à des fluctuations mécaniques . Et un rendu d’image ne pourra pas être optimal en dehors de la plage de température nominale . Perso je note ce point défaillant , alors que je n’ai pas de conditions extrêmes . Les températures actuelles par ici sont dans les 10 degrés Celsius . Et l’image est déjà affectée . - 10 degrés Celsius me semble inévitablement problématique . Déjà pour le corps humain ! On en demande peut être trop à ces petites bêtes . Il y a peut être aussi lieu de mieux connaître le drone pour pallier en partie à ces problèmes . Je m’y attelle

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  6 дней назад

      @@bpatrick6744 : I appreciate you dedication to this issue. I do agree that Fimi has never been a "precision" instrument. The housing of the lens could be an issue... but... In the Fimi models that do not have "Stacked sensors" this issue is not apparent. The X8 Mini V2 and X8SE 2022 do not have the cold issues... it is an Enigma... ruclips.net/video/DAqLnDD8a6o/видео.html

  • @JackVincent
    @JackVincent 16 дней назад

    Have been thinking of buying a Mini 3 all week to take with me on a skiing trip but wow these drones really don't like the cold. From your experience what temperature does the focus and horizon issues become apparent? Coldest it will probably get in Austia will be about -10C

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  15 дней назад

      In my tests.. about 12C. Below that and its a crap shoot.. Its not bad.. no jello or flight issues .. just a little out of focus if you look close. It is not bad for the first 2 minutes around 5-11C but below -6C... it gets bad. A DJI Mini 4k would be better and I hat to say it.. but also a Potensic Atom 3x (but it has limited features).

    • @JackVincent
      @JackVincent 15 дней назад

      @@GorillamansGarage Thanks for the quick reply its very much appreciated! :) Yes the DJI mini 4k seems to be the next go to. Is this same experience apparent on the x8 mini v2?

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  15 дней назад +1

      @@JackVincent : No...ruclips.net/video/DAqLnDD8a6o/видео.htmlsi=LXg8pZ8iX2Gr32XE

    • @JackVincent
      @JackVincent 15 дней назад

      @@GorillamansGarage You have a video for everything! Thank you for the help. Someone is selling an x8 mini v2 near me so might be worth getting that instead for the right price :)

    • @JackVincent
      @JackVincent 5 дней назад

      @@GorillamansGarage Thanks to your videos I am now a proud owner of a Mini V2 and just uploaded my first video with it :)

  • @edmondomazzantini
    @edmondomazzantini 25 дней назад

    What is the "Vision" update to you?

  • @edmondomazzantini
    @edmondomazzantini 25 дней назад

    I'd like to know if some of you tried the drone with the new firmware at temperatures between 0 and 15 degrees. Did you noticed any improvement? At -19 I think we risk just to brake the drone.

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  25 дней назад

      It usually takes 3-4 minutes before the cold affects the drone. Look at the imagery in the first 1 minute.

  • @alp4446
    @alp4446 24 дня назад

    Hi, "Not suitable for flight" Is that because of temperature?

    • @alp4446
      @alp4446 24 дня назад

      Ok I see now, red to red, I am kinda new at this thank you

    • @alp4446
      @alp4446 24 дня назад

      What temp. does it become suitable?

    • @edmondomazzantini
      @edmondomazzantini 23 дня назад +1

      At the Moment over 10 C degrees. With the new camera firmware update could have improved it's performance. Yesterday I tried at 6 degrees and seemed to be fine. We are waiting for further evidences.

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  20 дней назад

      I'd say it definitely still has issues below 0C.

  • @slavchez
    @slavchez 24 дня назад

    A question: Why do you record at 2.7k@30, since FM3 is capable of 4K@60 ? And why is this video at 1080p@30? You like playing with resolutions before New Year :D

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  20 дней назад

      Because 98% of RUclips viewers either watch on their phones, a tablet or a laptop. Some might use a desktop and even fewer might do most on a TV. I do not fly to sell video footage. I test products and see how they develop over time. On my laptop, a 1080p video looks the same as a 2.7k and a 4k video. Filming in 4k@60 is a waste of time for me and even 4k is a waste of processing power. I settle on 2.7 because of my shots (segments I want to highlight) are off center a bit.. I can crop and adjust a little.

  • @edmondomazzantini
    @edmondomazzantini 25 дней назад

    Warning: I tried to update....FC ok, Vision ok, Camera firmware keeps asking to update even I have already updated it. any solution? I'm desperate!

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  25 дней назад +1

      Re install the App.

    • @edmondomazzantini
      @edmondomazzantini 25 дней назад

      @@GorillamansGarage already done two times and nothing. The incredible thing is that in the app I read "Camera firmware 1013b" but aside I read "update". In your opinion: I updated successfully or not yet? I tried the drone and the camera is ok, I can record and shoot photos and videos.

    • @paolob.5101
      @paolob.5101 25 дней назад

      For me same problem.

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  25 дней назад

      @@edmondomazzantini : There will always be an "update" button on the firmware version page.. but if you click it.. nothing should happen. Or does the update show up as soon as you start the App.

    • @edmondomazzantini
      @edmondomazzantini 25 дней назад

      @@GorillamansGarage when I start the app, everytime It suggest me to update the camera firmware but ...I have an "update"! Last two times I restarted the drone and the app, it didn't ask me and the firmware were 1013b. The third time I tried, it happened again. Now I think that is a bug in the app and that the firmware was definitely installed.

  • @dekhog
    @dekhog 25 дней назад

    Yeah, just turned mine on and got the firmware update message, my first one as I've not had it long...... been stuck on 4% for over an hour now - I'm going to be extremely pissed if it's bricked thanks to their crap update that I didn't want anyway.....

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  25 дней назад +1

      These updates took forever on mine.. I had to reset the RC beeper twice. But eventually it worked.

    • @dekhog
      @dekhog 25 дней назад +1

      @GorillamansGarage Got it done eventually after having to reset everything when stuck at 4%..... like you say, it takes an age, but thankfully everything seems fine. Can't fly as it's raining, but maybe tomorrow.....

  • @csabamagyar3244
    @csabamagyar3244 25 дней назад

    What can be the problem that such a big manufaccturer can not solve -- but all the others can.

    • @edmondomazzantini
      @edmondomazzantini 25 дней назад +1

      I think that nobody can solve this problem when it's -19 C. simply.....we don't have to fly in those conditions. I'd like to remember that, in the specifications, the suggested temperature of exercise would be 0 to 40 degrees.

    • @csabamagyar3244
      @csabamagyar3244 25 дней назад +1

      @@edmondomazzantini But the same happens at +5-10 C...

    • @edmondomazzantini
      @edmondomazzantini 25 дней назад

      @@csabamagyar3244 ok, so we hope in this firmware update.

    • @edmondomazzantini
      @edmondomazzantini 25 дней назад

      @@csabamagyar3244 we hope in the new firmware indeed.

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  25 дней назад

      That is the 64M$ question.

  • @fof1353
    @fof1353 25 дней назад

    As soon as the winter came it disappointed me, although it has amazing features for price but that camera is soo Annoying i sold it and got dji mini 3 pro official refurbished.
    If only not for the winter but camera is 50% of the drone. And its happening already at 15°C

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  25 дней назад

      Exactly... and worse yet... Fimi knows about it and will probably dump the "Stacked" sensors in new drones.

  • @Hawk878
    @Hawk878 19 дней назад

    Ждем тест dji neo от вас

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  19 дней назад +1

      Sorry.. I will not be getting the Neo. To get the kit that is worth flying is very expensive. Other than that it is but a selfie camera. The "Flip" is also an Odd bird... We are all waiting for the "Dyson" edition!

  • @stavman8536
    @stavman8536 23 дня назад

    i feel sory for your test.....just to reed manual you should see it must not fly in minus !!!! ...amateur....

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  22 дня назад

      @@stavman8536 Really... Wow.. Seriously,.. you're going there with your comment? You're kidding right.? 💯 Gotta be... 🤣😂

    • @GorillamansGarage
      @GorillamansGarage  22 дня назад

      @@stavman8536 oh.. please show me where the manual states your comment as fact..... 😨

    • @stavman8536
      @stavman8536 22 дня назад

      @@GorillamansGarage i have reed on sales site...from 0c to 40c. ! Search and you will find it....