Ah the 90s. When writers went on strike, producers and developers thought that just making constant rug pulls was good writing, and every character was given guns, armor, turtle necks, trench coats, and pouches. How I do not miss that era of comics.
Reading about it a lot lately. I remember the 90s, but thank god I was too young to really be a part of the culture! I think I would have gone mad! haha!
Hard Travelling heroes, that sets up why Hal Jordan and Olver Queen were so close. As a knock-on effect, Oliver Queen got blown up not long after zero hour. Look for Green Arrow: Quiver to see about his return, best comic book resurrection ever in my eyes It is continuity rich but delicious like a Black Forest Gateux
While that era of comics sure did have its issues, it's gotta be some of my absolute favorite DC as a big Hal and Supes fan. Love that parallax suit so much :D Doing a read through of Lucifer once again, myself. I think I love that series more and more with each reading.
I actually have this hardcover! You should do a review of all the tie-ins to zero hour. They’re actually really good, you have Batman and robin getting to meet an older version of Alfred, and Conner Kent gets to meet young Clark Kent from the silver age. It’s amazing.
Can you imagine if they'd sat down and planned out DCEU movies that took advantage of D&R of Superman, Knightfall, and Emerald Twilight as inspirations for a main story arc instead of Darkseid again.
This is the story arc (technically GL 49) that got me into DC when I was 14. It wasn’t too bad trying to figure out what what was then. Actually the hardest part was figuring out Hawks story.
I only started getting into the 90s comics a few years ago. While Zero Hour is kinda confusing, it does at least show what Hal does with his Parallax powers after Emerald Twilight.
Us Legion of Super-Heroes fans had it worse than many comic fans yes even the Teen Titans fans who had to suffer through the New52 run, which is notoriously bad. The Legion title was a major victim of Crisis On Infinite Earths' effect on continuity because while everything else was neatly put in place, the Legion timeline was left the way it is, which was a problem because this was the Pre-Crisis version that had Superboy as a member which contradicted the main DC timeline as Post Crisis Superman was never Superboy until Infinite Crisis so they had to put them in a pocket universe which confused longtime readers then they changed the status quo even more until they reboot the entire LOSH timeline and they did it more than once. Basically this turned the Legion of Super-Heroes from one of DC's bestselling titles into a title nobody saw relevance in any more
Wow! That is one hell of a blow to fans! I don't envy that. I've been thinking of reading Legion of Superheroes for a while. Do you have any starting point recommendations?
@@MikaylaJLaird if you're up for some Pre-Crisis Silver Age wackiness the best place would be to start at the beginning with the LOSH Archives trades, that collect stories from the Silver Age right up to their final Bronze Age story, this has 13 volumes, however DC are currently releasing these stories in new trades such as the Silver Age Omnibus as well as the Bronze Age Superboy and The Legion of Super-Heroes trades but if you want to try story arcs, I highly recommend The Great Darkness Saga which is collected in a trade although the cover spoils the reveal of who the villain is, this is considered a must read for Legion fans, the Bronze Age Legion era basically expanded the Cosmic part of the DC Universe, it was kind of like DC's answer to the world building Star Trek and Star Wars expanded media had. There's also DC Comics Classic Library: The LOSH: The Death of Ferro Lad. As for the Post Crisis stories, the best place would be to start at these 3 trades, LOSH: An Eye For An Eye, LOSH: The More Things Change and Superman Man of Steel Vol. 4, although reading some Pre-Crisis Legion stories especially featuring Superboy is recommended to get the full impact. Then move on to Legionnaires Book trades, which collect Vol4 of the title. These trade are still in progress as the first 2 volumes have just been released with Book Two being out last May. Although later parts of Vol 4 have been collected in previous trades like The Legion by Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning Vol. 1 and 2 If you want to skip to certain stories then I suggest trade for Legion Lost (not connected to the New52 series of the same), which is already collected in The Legion Vol.2 quite a dark story, then move to Legion Foundations and then LOSH Vol 1 Teenage Revolution and Vol 2 Death of A Dream, although later volumes change the title to Supergirl and The Legion of Super-Heroes for volumes 3 to 6 before going back to the original title in the last 2 volumes. After Infinite Crisis the original Pre-Crisis Legion made a comeback, the best story from that era is Superman and The Legion of Super-Heroes, which is collected in trade. There's also a Final Crisis tie in called Legion of Three Worlds where the Legion from the three different timelines team up to take on Superboy Prime. DC did a short series detailing Post Infinite Crisis Clark's early years with the Legion which is collected in Superboy and The Legion of Super-Heroes The Early Years there are other trades including the New52 run but those are the ones I know when it comes modern Legion stories. Hope this was helpful
This was just the video I was looking for. I'm looking to read Zero Hour BECAUSE I like Green Arrow, so my recommendations for Green Arrow is Hard Travelling heroes by dennis oneil and neil adams. Also, the longbow hunters by mike grell
I recommend reading green arrow a celebration of 75 years this includes the very first appearance of green arrow and speedy from 1941 golden age comic more fun comics #73 story called case of the namesake murders. This collects all green arrow stories published from 1941-2013
Don't know why you don't have more subs, your videos are always entertaining. Recs for Green Arrow: I'd start with Jeff Lemire's run. It's New 52 but good (vol 4-6 or in omnibus form) and then I'd go on to Rebirth which is basically a sequel to Lemire's run. If you want more classic Green Arrow, I'd go for Mike Grell's run and then Kevin Smith's run. Definitely watch Legends of Tomorrow but it's generally considered that it doesn't really get good until Season 2 onwards. It also kinda relies on you knowing characters from Arrow so you might want to check that out first (Watch season 1-3 and maybe find an episode guide for season 4 or alternatively watch it while smashed). Legends Season 1 was sort of 'meh' with some pretty awesome episodes here and there, one of them being a 'what if?' style episode with a TDKR style, one-armed Green Arrow and another with Jonah Hex. They basically became self-aware from season 2 onwards and went balls to the wall with their insanity. Take care :)
Thank you Calman! I'm happy being a small channel right now, I like just being able to talk about what I want. A bigger audience would be nice, but as long as someone enjoys it, that's all that matters. I've only seen the first season of Supergirl, but those cross over stories look really interesting, so I intend to get around to Flash, Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow. Legends in particular I have been looking forward to trying. Thank you for the Green Arrow recommendations! Birthday is coming up, so I know what I'm adding to the list. I really need to branch out with my comic reading. More characters. Trying more Indie stuff of late, as well as 90s stuff, but Green Arrow is a huge blind spot for me. I think I'll start with New 52 and maybe Kevin Smith. Thank you :)
YES! I've been meaning to watch that too. Slowly going through the DeLano stuff along with Ennis's Preacher. A friend of mine has banned me from watching Preacher till I finish the books, but he said nothing about Constantine..!
The episodes directly based on some DeLano stories are the best and I think Matt Ryan is up there with Ryan Reynolds and Chris Reeve for perfect casting although I might be biased because I've met the guy.
I've seen a few clips of him in action, and he does capture the character really well. I have some paperwork to go through later, I may just put the show on while I work.
What did you do before the internet. Well, there would be a confusing speech bubble, reference, or character appearing and in Marvel Stan Lee (ed) would asterisk it and refer to an issue in the Silver Age. Could I, a 12 year old have the inclination to get that issue and check, even though I did used to get back issues at the old comics cons where no one cosplayed ever and there were just piles and piles of comics to buy and artists to talk to? No, not really. DC did not even have that and Crisis on Infinite Earths looked like a massive cash-grab at the time that I also could not keep up with aged 12. You just got on with it, because you loved comics, and less people liked comics back then. People would always talk badly about DC, even though the art and colour-matching was much better. The adverts as a Briton were for stuff that seemed exotic. I'm not sure if you've done much empathising with just the decade you were born into. Without internet and ubiquitous handheld devices for amusement, what do you think you would pass the time with on any journey? Books, newspapers, I liked comics. You were limited to what the news vendor chose to stock as well. If anyone at school was into comics, you could discuss your confusions with them, most of the time they could clear it up, also some of the time and for years before the internet, urban legends based on mistakes used to go around. I still feel personally that the blurb that people put around the Crisis event comics, that new readers would be confused by the continuity is a bit patronising; since I was into comics since the 1970s, and was not the only one. You had to keep buying the comics, read the letter pages, usually to make the comic last longer, where continuity was often also discussed and editor input sometimes clarified by them, but not often enough. You were either into comics back then or you were not. Nobody ever said that they were too confusing to keep up with, it was exactly like going to the school prom and figuring everything out as you went along. The more you danced, the better you got at it, the same with comics. You know that Burgess creates a new language in "Clockwork Orange" and when I read the UK edition at age 15, I could understand none of it until about the Third Chapter. Why would someone persist with a book they do not understand that is in a new language as a literary experiment and no glossary, like in the US edition for morons? Why would I go to see a football team that was not very good in the 1980s and see them lose all the time? Well, because it was a club and every week, you wanted to see what was going to happen, you knew some of the faces there, they knew you. The same with a comic or difficult to read book.
I'm not entirely sure what you're point is here. In the modern day you can research these missing elements, but yes, in the 90s and even before, you would have to stumble through back issues in hopes of finding your answer. My point was, that because of the lack of access to information, this could turn people away. I do remember what it was like to not have computers in the house, or a device in my pocket. The internet was only a constant in my house around the age of 15, I still barely use a smart phone. I am very used to researching in a library. Yes, the UK version of A Clockwork Orange does have a glossary, it encouraged the reader to immerse themselves in the world. It is the one I grew up with, since I'm in the UK. Your tone is somewhat condescending, but I do appreciate hearing your take.
I have no idea why the quality dropped between rendering and uploading.
Ah the 90s. When writers went on strike, producers and developers thought that just making constant rug pulls was good writing, and every character was given guns, armor, turtle necks, trench coats, and pouches.
How I do not miss that era of comics.
Reading about it a lot lately. I remember the 90s, but thank god I was too young to really be a part of the culture! I think I would have gone mad! haha!
Hard Travelling heroes, that sets up why Hal Jordan and Olver Queen were so close. As a knock-on effect, Oliver Queen got blown up not long after zero hour. Look for Green Arrow: Quiver to see about his return, best comic book resurrection ever in my eyes It is continuity rich but delicious like a Black Forest Gateux
While that era of comics sure did have its issues, it's gotta be some of my absolute favorite DC as a big Hal and Supes fan. Love that parallax suit so much :D
Doing a read through of Lucifer once again, myself. I think I love that series more and more with each reading.
That's another book I need to get around to! Haha! My list is just increasing! And yeah, I kind of love the Parallax suit too.
I actually have this hardcover!
You should do a review of all the tie-ins to zero hour.
They’re actually really good, you have Batman and robin getting to meet an older version of Alfred, and Conner Kent gets to meet young Clark Kent from the silver age.
It’s amazing.
Love it! It is on my list.
Mikayla J. Laird
Alright, thanks!
Can you imagine if they'd sat down and planned out DCEU movies that took advantage of D&R of Superman, Knightfall, and Emerald Twilight as inspirations for a main story arc instead of Darkseid again.
Nice video! Enjoyed the editing as well as the thoughtful commentary! Keep up the good work!!!
Thank you!! :D
This is the story arc (technically GL 49) that got me into DC when I was 14. It wasn’t too bad trying to figure out what what was then. Actually the hardest part was figuring out Hawks story.
I only started getting into the 90s comics a few years ago. While Zero Hour is kinda confusing, it does at least show what Hal does with his Parallax powers after Emerald Twilight.
Us Legion of Super-Heroes fans had it worse than many comic fans yes even the Teen Titans fans who had to suffer through the New52 run, which is notoriously bad.
The Legion title was a major victim of Crisis On Infinite Earths' effect on continuity because while everything else was neatly put in place, the Legion timeline was left the way it is, which was a problem because this was the Pre-Crisis version that had Superboy as a member which contradicted the main DC timeline as Post Crisis Superman was never Superboy until Infinite Crisis so they had to put them in a pocket universe which confused longtime readers then they changed the status quo even more until they reboot the entire LOSH timeline and they did it more than once.
Basically this turned the Legion of Super-Heroes from one of DC's bestselling titles into a title nobody saw relevance in any more
Wow! That is one hell of a blow to fans! I don't envy that. I've been thinking of reading Legion of Superheroes for a while. Do you have any starting point recommendations?
@@MikaylaJLaird if you're up for some Pre-Crisis Silver Age wackiness the best place would be to start at the beginning with the LOSH Archives trades, that collect stories from the Silver Age right up to their final Bronze Age story, this has 13 volumes, however DC are currently releasing these stories in new trades such as the Silver Age Omnibus as well as the Bronze Age Superboy and The Legion of Super-Heroes trades but if you want to try story arcs, I highly recommend The Great Darkness Saga which is collected in a trade although the cover spoils the reveal of who the villain is, this is considered a must read for Legion fans, the Bronze Age Legion era basically expanded the Cosmic part of the DC Universe, it was kind of like DC's answer to the world building Star Trek and Star Wars expanded media had. There's also DC Comics Classic Library: The LOSH: The Death of Ferro Lad.
As for the Post Crisis stories, the best place would be to start at these 3 trades, LOSH: An Eye For An Eye, LOSH: The More Things Change and Superman Man of Steel Vol. 4, although reading some Pre-Crisis Legion stories especially featuring Superboy is recommended to get the full impact. Then move on to Legionnaires Book trades, which collect Vol4 of the title. These trade are still in progress as the first 2 volumes have just been released with Book Two being out last May. Although later parts of Vol 4 have been collected in previous trades like The Legion by Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning Vol. 1 and 2
If you want to skip to certain stories then I suggest trade for Legion Lost (not connected to the New52 series of the same), which is already collected in The Legion Vol.2 quite a dark story, then move to Legion Foundations and then LOSH Vol 1 Teenage Revolution and Vol 2 Death of A Dream, although later volumes change the title to Supergirl and The Legion of Super-Heroes for volumes 3 to 6 before going back to the original title in the last 2 volumes.
After Infinite Crisis the original Pre-Crisis Legion made a comeback, the best story from that era is Superman and The Legion of Super-Heroes, which is collected in trade. There's also a Final Crisis tie in called Legion of Three Worlds where the Legion from the three different timelines team up to take on Superboy Prime. DC did a short series detailing Post Infinite Crisis Clark's early years with the Legion which is collected in Superboy and The Legion of Super-Heroes The Early Years there are other trades including the New52 run but those are the ones I know when it comes modern Legion stories.
Hope this was helpful
Added the Silver Age stuff to my list! Thank you :)
I want to read or here the papers you were talking about in here. This was great. Kevin Smiths Green Arrow would be great.
This was just the video I was looking for. I'm looking to read Zero Hour BECAUSE I like Green Arrow, so my recommendations for Green Arrow is Hard Travelling heroes by dennis oneil and neil adams. Also, the longbow hunters by mike grell
Awesome! I'll look into those. Admittedly, I've been meaning to read HTH for a while.
@@MikaylaJLaird I concur but I'll add Green Arrow: Quiver onto that pile and the Archers Quest.
If you get the chance check out the Starman run that came from this. It was absolutely amazing and my favorite run in comics.
Added to the list! 😊
Great video.
jerry ordway
I recommend reading green arrow a celebration of 75 years this includes the very first appearance of green arrow and speedy from 1941 golden age comic more fun comics #73 story called case of the namesake murders.
This collects all green arrow stories published from 1941-2013
Don't know why you don't have more subs, your videos are always entertaining.
Recs for Green Arrow:
I'd start with Jeff Lemire's run. It's New 52 but good (vol 4-6 or in omnibus form) and then I'd go on to Rebirth which is basically a sequel to Lemire's run. If you want more classic Green Arrow, I'd go for Mike Grell's run and then Kevin Smith's run.
Definitely watch Legends of Tomorrow but it's generally considered that it doesn't really get good until Season 2 onwards. It also kinda relies on you knowing characters from Arrow so you might want to check that out first (Watch season 1-3 and maybe find an episode guide for season 4 or alternatively watch it while smashed).
Legends Season 1 was sort of 'meh' with some pretty awesome episodes here and there, one of them being a 'what if?' style episode with a TDKR style, one-armed Green Arrow and another with Jonah Hex. They basically became self-aware from season 2 onwards and went balls to the wall with their insanity.
Take care :)
Thank you Calman! I'm happy being a small channel right now, I like just being able to talk about what I want. A bigger audience would be nice, but as long as someone enjoys it, that's all that matters.
I've only seen the first season of Supergirl, but those cross over stories look really interesting, so I intend to get around to Flash, Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow. Legends in particular I have been looking forward to trying. Thank you for the Green Arrow recommendations! Birthday is coming up, so I know what I'm adding to the list. I really need to branch out with my comic reading. More characters. Trying more Indie stuff of late, as well as 90s stuff, but Green Arrow is a huge blind spot for me. I think I'll start with New 52 and maybe Kevin Smith. Thank you :)
Ooooh, Constantine has been retconned into the Arrowverse so you might want to check that out too.
YES! I've been meaning to watch that too. Slowly going through the DeLano stuff along with Ennis's Preacher. A friend of mine has banned me from watching Preacher till I finish the books, but he said nothing about Constantine..!
The episodes directly based on some DeLano stories are the best and I think Matt Ryan is up there with Ryan Reynolds and Chris Reeve for perfect casting although I might be biased because I've met the guy.
I've seen a few clips of him in action, and he does capture the character really well. I have some paperwork to go through later, I may just put the show on while I work.
I had this books.
You will be happy to know zero hour omnibus is on the way from dc 👍👍👍
Yay!
What did you do before the internet. Well, there would be a confusing speech bubble, reference, or character appearing and in Marvel Stan Lee (ed) would asterisk it and refer to an issue in the Silver Age. Could I, a 12 year old have the inclination to get that issue and check, even though I did used to get back issues at the old comics cons where no one cosplayed ever and there were just piles and piles of comics to buy and artists to talk to? No, not really.
DC did not even have that and Crisis on Infinite Earths looked like a massive cash-grab at the time that I also could not keep up with aged 12. You just got on with it, because you loved comics, and less people liked comics back then. People would always talk badly about DC, even though the art and colour-matching was much better. The adverts as a Briton were for stuff that seemed exotic.
I'm not sure if you've done much empathising with just the decade you were born into. Without internet and ubiquitous handheld devices for amusement, what do you think you would pass the time with on any journey? Books, newspapers, I liked comics. You were limited to what the news vendor chose to stock as well. If anyone at school was into comics, you could discuss your confusions with them, most of the time they could clear it up, also some of the time and for years before the internet, urban legends based on mistakes used to go around.
I still feel personally that the blurb that people put around the Crisis event comics, that new readers would be confused by the continuity is a bit patronising; since I was into comics since the 1970s, and was not the only one. You had to keep buying the comics, read the letter pages, usually to make the comic last longer, where continuity was often also discussed and editor input sometimes clarified by them, but not often enough. You were either into comics back then or you were not. Nobody ever said that they were too confusing to keep up with, it was exactly like going to the school prom and figuring everything out as you went along. The more you danced, the better you got at it, the same with comics.
You know that Burgess creates a new language in "Clockwork Orange" and when I read the UK edition at age 15, I could understand none of it until about the Third Chapter.
Why would someone persist with a book they do not understand that is in a new language as a literary experiment and no glossary, like in the US edition for morons?
Why would I go to see a football team that was not very good in the 1980s and see them lose all the time? Well, because it was a club and every week, you wanted to see what was going to happen, you knew some of the faces there, they knew you. The same with a comic or difficult to read book.
I'm not entirely sure what you're point is here. In the modern day you can research these missing elements, but yes, in the 90s and even before, you would have to stumble through back issues in hopes of finding your answer. My point was, that because of the lack of access to information, this could turn people away.
I do remember what it was like to not have computers in the house, or a device in my pocket. The internet was only a constant in my house around the age of 15, I still barely use a smart phone. I am very used to researching in a library. Yes, the UK version of A Clockwork Orange does have a glossary, it encouraged the reader to immerse themselves in the world. It is the one I grew up with, since I'm in the UK. Your tone is somewhat condescending, but I do appreciate hearing your take.
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