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Its is so impressive how Djokovic movement is minimal and so balanced. Even on he is practicing ground strokes, he moves just the amount he need with perfect balance.
Sinner' bringing the back foot forward while releasing the ball may feel good because it's synchronized, but it's a technical oddity in his serve. Bringing in the back foot has the function of creating forward momentum. Since Sinner does this (too) early, he needs to pause because the ball is still going up, hence the momentum is lost. It's something Sinner has developed stylistically but it's not functionally grounded. Now it works for him, fair enough, but it's not exemplary. I would definitely not recommend this to recreational players. What would make sense is for Sinner to contact the ball much earlier, Kyrgios-alike, which would make his back foot motion functional again, as the forward momentum can then continue.
Agree, also a note - Ryan mentions that the lack of delay means he doesn't need to toss super high. Take a look at Kyrgios and you'll see it's just not the case...
@@leachrinsinte983 exactly. This Is well known. I would add that no one shot of Djokovic is even near to perfect. Neither serve, nor forehand, nor volee, not backend. His best shot is the backend, but for example Sinner's backend Is way better.
Fed, Sampras, Shapovalov, etc. have the same thing. It’s not considered a waiter’s tray bc of the sharps of heir swing path and the fact that the racket goes on edge to the ball before contact.
This is really interesting analysis But… there are things you just can’t analyse in this way about serving… it’s those big moments. Novak has a super reliable serve and his T serve on both sides is insane how accurate it is. So often down T he aces or creates next shot winner. He uses it to win so many break points and clutch ones. Novak can’t serve like Kyrgios or speed of Shelton but on clutch points it’s so reliable you’d take it over almost anyone if you magically could
They r not using a continental grip,and it doesn't matter from where they start ,please don't bother to do this analysis couse u don't understand and many will watch this and understand even less!
And what grip, might I ask, do you think they are using? 😂 And it does matter where and how they start the motion, as it influences the whole kinetic chain in this, otherwise very complex sequence.
Hey guys, a continental grip is a very good starting point when you come from the infamous waiter serve. On the video it's no continental grip, more a semi CONTINENTAL BACKHAND or even easternBACKHAND grip. (hard to say cause of the angle). Kinetic chain is more important at first and when you start from a continental grip, the more you learn the real motion the more you can use and adjust with the other grips. (trust me you will 😊). Thank you for the video. I like that starting position. 👌👍
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Just loved it that extra tip about palm down as they are hitting the ball is gold. Thanks Ryan!
Its is so impressive how Djokovic movement is minimal and so balanced. Even on he is practicing ground strokes, he moves just the amount he need with perfect balance.
Novak has always been more of a spot server than a power server so I think your analysis on optimization potential for racket head speed is spot on.
Thank you for this video. Really nice comparison. Very helpful.
where can I find the full videos of both these serves?
Sinner' bringing the back foot forward while releasing the ball may feel good because it's synchronized, but it's a technical oddity in his serve. Bringing in the back foot has the function of creating forward momentum. Since Sinner does this (too) early, he needs to pause because the ball is still going up, hence the momentum is lost. It's something Sinner has developed stylistically but it's not functionally grounded. Now it works for him, fair enough, but it's not exemplary. I would definitely not recommend this to recreational players. What would make sense is for Sinner to contact the ball much earlier, Kyrgios-alike, which would make his back foot motion functional again, as the forward momentum can then continue.
Agree, also a note - Ryan mentions that the lack of delay means he doesn't need to toss super high. Take a look at Kyrgios and you'll see it's just not the case...
I feel like palm up after the toss is more natural, from a biomechanics standpoint. After which you drive the elbow down as you go up to hit the ball.
I love that you're willing to critique even Djokovic.
It Is not a difficult issue to criticize djokovic's serve.😁
Djokovic serve is far from perfect..... For his height his serve is average at best.
@@leachrinsinte983 exactly. This Is well known. I would add that no one shot of Djokovic is even near to perfect. Neither serve, nor forehand, nor volee, not backend. His best shot is the backend, but for example Sinner's backend Is way better.
at 10:57. Does Djokovic have some kind of waiter's tray position (racket strings almost horizontal to the ground)?
Fed, Sampras, Shapovalov, etc. have the same thing. It’s not considered a waiter’s tray bc of the sharps of heir swing path and the fact that the racket goes on edge to the ball before contact.
Psoas muscle group functional, co - operate fully with gravity. And thats the difference! That feet also confirm this.
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Thanks so much for commenting!
Shalom not namaste
Got it.Tomorrow I’ll go hit a 120 mph serve based on this info.
This is really interesting analysis
But… there are things you just can’t analyse in this way about serving… it’s those big moments.
Novak has a super reliable serve and his T serve on both sides is insane how accurate it is. So often down T he aces or creates next shot winner. He uses it to win so many break points and clutch ones.
Novak can’t serve like Kyrgios or speed of Shelton but on clutch points it’s so reliable you’d take it over almost anyone if you magically could
At the same time though he’s always been double fault prone in big moments due to decelerating too much and pushing the serve long.
Bent toss arm at release confirmed at 3:51. Nadal does the same.
So, both of them jump up before contact to get more force by the uncoiling the body.
Nice video, should be 20 minute tennis and not 2 minute though lol
lol
They r not using a continental grip,and it doesn't matter from where they start ,please don't bother to do this analysis couse u don't understand and many will watch this and understand even less!
lol. Thanks for commenting.
And what grip, might I ask, do you think they are using? 😂
And it does matter where and how they start the motion, as it influences the whole kinetic chain in this, otherwise very complex sequence.
Hey guys, a continental grip is a very good starting point when you come from the infamous waiter serve. On the video it's no continental grip, more a semi CONTINENTAL BACKHAND or even easternBACKHAND grip. (hard to say cause of the angle). Kinetic chain is more important at first and when you start from a continental grip, the more you learn the real motion the more you can use and adjust with the other grips. (trust me you will 😊). Thank you for the video. I like that starting position. 👌👍