I think the biggest reason for these ratings being wrong is that no one had accounted for energy being such a strong aggro deck; rn so many strategies are not playable because they get run over
6:10 I want to point out that Sneaky Snacker is being played in Madness Burn in Pauper. I get that Pauper isn't Modern, but if you're going to call out the pre-ban of Cranial Ram earlier you might as well acknowledge that Snacker has found a home in at least one constructed format.
ried said it but ill bounce off of him a little. I really hate the modern sets, a format which was supposed to be players picking and finding combos and synergies from magics history turned into a (as he said) standard-like format where the newest modern horizon cards will completely dictate the format with it's power creep and if you don't buy the new cards you are left behind in the format.
I think it could have been interesting if cards that came through standard were always legal in Modern, and MH actually rotated when the next MH set came out, but only that set. Each direct to Modern set having to outdo the last while making the old core of Modern more and more irrelevant is awful.
@lexist7 go watch any reaction from any content creators at the announcement of MH1 being a product. Jovial, the community has finally broken the backs of WotC and they are giving us the direct to Modern product we've been demanding. Don't rewrite history, this is what the player base literal demanded and now that all the stuff Maro used to warn that they didn't want to add direct to Modern products to the format have come to be now they have remorse.
Linebreaker has appeared in an 'eldrazi aggro' list along with new cards It That Heralds The End, and sometimes Glaring Fleshraker. Versions of the list tend to swap between nulldrifter and world breaker as part of their 7-drops suite for Ugin's labyrinth. It's not been popular the entire time but it has made numerous challenge top8s and more than one actual challenge win. It recently picked up some popularity again with the new 7 mana eldrazi from foundations.
Remember during spoiler season how everyone was calling it commander horizons 3 and thought most the cards were unplayable in modern (and that the only great card were in golgari so that Yawg would be tier 0)? I remember.
im amazed that reid gave pride a 2. sure its an 1/1 but it also is one mana makes another 1/1 body the next turn if it attacks and lives to end step and only snowballs (very quickly) from there.
As an Arena player, MH3 killed Historic and Timeless for me. I liked that the previous anthologies cherry picked MH1 and MH2 cards for the client, but dropping MH3 wholly onto Arena was, in my opinion, disastrous.
I hope they actually add all of MH1 and MH2, it feels weird going to look for Urza, Urza's Saga, Murktide, and not seeing them when lots of other MH1/2 cards are on there and prevalent.
mh3 did wonders for commander cat kindred so I'm happy, although I don't play modern it sucks what has happened to the format, hope that doesn't happen to Pio
I use to love modern then WotC decided to print straight to modern sets that were so much better than anything else that it ruined the format so I stopped playing it. I usually only look at modern horizon sets to see if anything looks good for my commander decks. Beyond that, I avoid them. Such a shame.
The modern horizons sets were meant to freshen up a stale format in addition to making it more accesible to new players. That said, the power creep from the sets, with wizards trying to up the ante with every new set, is just outrageous.
Most of MH3 can go but I do like psychic frog and the blue mdfcs from the set which make mono blue belcher better. I agree with Reid that MH3 has made quite a few strategies irrelevant and that’s something I don’t like for the format. Modern is supposed to be a format where you can play with the deck you love and you can do reasonably well with in tournaments. I hope modern becomes more balanced after the ban update later this month
But if they make the Modern Horizons sets lower power level, people complain that they "aren't really designed for Modern", say "these cards look like they've been designed for Commander", and mockingly call them "Commander Horizons" instead. Actually, people already did that during MH2 and MH3 preview seasons.
It is interesting how modern as format is suffering because of The One Ring, but MH3 gets most of the blame. Also, the energy mechanic is mentioned, when the strongest cards in Boros Energy aren't even energy cards. Ajani is probably the best example for this. A 2 mana card, that is stronger than many 4cc planeswalkers. Brings a body, can deal insane damage while adding more bodies to the board etc. Just compare that to, let's say Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, a perfectly strong token generating PW. So why does it bother me? Because the narrative drives ban decisions. And when the narrative misses the point, you get bad bans.
MH3 kind of overcorrected for White and somewhat for Red in the the color pie for modern, pre MH3 sultai colors and some red were most of the best decks and there was not as much white in top tier decks. This was really brought foeth after the Nadu ban.
Me personally I love phlage i think it is decently designed better than kroxa worse than uro but didn't ho through standard so it's ok for it to be good
Wotc: “ Hey, you know that mechanic that destroyed standard pre fires era and saw lots of bannings to power down the mechanic? How about we put it in modern”
Consign To Memory seems like a must-include in Stifle Dreadnaught decks. I personally like overpowered cards and prefer a lot of overpowered options to bannings. But that's just me.
@@captntynknots83I’ve been hearing that a lot and me and my friend have considered doing a discord where you can play with people on spell table on certain nights as like an “FNM” style where we have table voice chats but idk if people would want that
Standard is lower power , but it is really fun right now, I think this is the best standard meta in a long, long time. There are good aggro, mid range and control decks, Control maybe a little underrepresented but there are options (mono w, and domain are both great decks). For years I pretty much only played modern and limited, but after MH3 I really lost interest in the format, I do still sleeve up amulet titan and mono b coffers every once and a while.
there are way too many bans. whatever happened with these bans gives the game a very bad reputation when players look to see if they want to purchase anything new.
@@xXSamir44Xx yes, getting your decks invalidated by power creep is driving players away. wotc should make enough money printing alt arts of staples, no need to kill so many classic archetypes in modern and legacy.
You want my opinion about Modern? Stopped playing it shortly affter they started printing modern horizon sets, because it soon became clear their goal with those is to make all the preexisting cards/decks obsolete, which makes modern effectively a rotating format not worth playing (like standard). Now I could not care less about modern and am not even going to watch the rest of this video. (Only started watching because I thought it was limited - forgot you already did that.)
I think the biggest reason for these ratings being wrong is that no one had accounted for energy being such a strong aggro deck; rn so many strategies are not playable because they get run over
6:10 I want to point out that Sneaky Snacker is being played in Madness Burn in Pauper. I get that Pauper isn't Modern, but if you're going to call out the pre-ban of Cranial Ram earlier you might as well acknowledge that Snacker has found a home in at least one constructed format.
This! Sneaky snacker is a banger card in pauper.
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And writhing chrysalis. Man I loved MH3 on release, but it’s aged like fine milk since then
Almost every card that was a miss wouldve been an A+++ 5 years ago.
ried said it but ill bounce off of him a little. I really hate the modern sets, a format which was supposed to be players picking and finding combos and synergies from magics history turned into a (as he said) standard-like format where the newest modern horizon cards will completely dictate the format with it's power creep and if you don't buy the new cards you are left behind in the format.
it’s 2024. modern rotates every 2 years and sets stay in standard for at least 5 years
Players whined and cried for years and years for a direct to Modern product
@@TheEvolver311they’re the dozen people playing modern energy. Don’t reference twitter and Reddit for what the community wants
I think it could have been interesting if cards that came through standard were always legal in Modern, and MH actually rotated when the next MH set came out, but only that set. Each direct to Modern set having to outdo the last while making the old core of Modern more and more irrelevant is awful.
@lexist7 go watch any reaction from any content creators at the announcement of MH1 being a product. Jovial, the community has finally broken the backs of WotC and they are giving us the direct to Modern product we've been demanding.
Don't rewrite history, this is what the player base literal demanded and now that all the stuff Maro used to warn that they didn't want to add direct to Modern products to the format have come to be now they have remorse.
Magic is a husk of the game I fell in love with in 2008
Linebreaker has appeared in an 'eldrazi aggro' list along with new cards It That Heralds The End, and sometimes Glaring Fleshraker. Versions of the list tend to swap between nulldrifter and world breaker as part of their 7-drops suite for Ugin's labyrinth. It's not been popular the entire time but it has made numerous challenge top8s and more than one actual challenge win. It recently picked up some popularity again with the new 7 mana eldrazi from foundations.
Modern Horizons 1 and 2 were arguably too powerful, but MH3 took it to a different level.
Remember during spoiler season how everyone was calling it commander horizons 3 and thought most the cards were unplayable in modern (and that the only great card were in golgari so that Yawg would be tier 0)? I remember.
@@slavisatosanovic2672 I couldn't believe it when I read serious posts about that. I felt like it was Groundhog Day.
Just wait, theyre cooking Modern Horizons 4
The fact that they printed the whole best deck of the format is crazy bizarre.
@@slavisatosanovic2672 Yes! I remember people saying "at least this isn't as broken as MH1 or MH2" lol
The modern horizons 3 internal synergies was the biggest problem opinion. But yeah, it really feels way more egtegious than mh 1 and 2
birthing ritual is honestly much less of a miss than every other card in the first section
"Luis and a couple of our teammates played that deck at the Pro Tour" undersells the identity of those other teammates!
im amazed that reid gave pride a 2. sure its an 1/1 but it also is one mana makes another 1/1 body the next turn if it attacks and lives to end step and only snowballs (very quickly) from there.
As an Arena player, MH3 killed Historic and Timeless for me. I liked that the previous anthologies cherry picked MH1 and MH2 cards for the client, but dropping MH3 wholly onto Arena was, in my opinion, disastrous.
Timeless is fine tbh, since the combo decks kinda destroy energy. historic they rebalanced major parts of the energy deck making it a lot weaker.
I hope they actually add all of MH1 and MH2, it feels weird going to look for Urza, Urza's Saga, Murktide, and not seeing them when lots of other MH1/2 cards are on there and prevalent.
@@justinvamp15 yeah i hope so too, Force of Negation is important safety valve versus combo
@Snarkeroid That would be such a sweet add
sneaky snacker is a pauper star
mh3 did wonders for commander cat kindred so I'm happy, although I don't play modern it sucks what has happened to the format, hope that doesn't happen to Pio
*Pioneer Masters intensifies*
Sneaky Snacker still pops off in Pauper so you weren’t entirely wrong on that being relevant in constructed
I use to love modern then WotC decided to print straight to modern sets that were so much better than anything else that it ruined the format so I stopped playing it. I usually only look at modern horizon sets to see if anything looks good for my commander decks. Beyond that, I avoid them. Such a shame.
The modern horizons sets were meant to freshen up a stale format in addition to making it more accesible to new players. That said, the power creep from the sets, with wizards trying to up the ante with every new set, is just outrageous.
Spike has played Fanatic in a few decks and it always performs really well.
Most of MH3 can go but I do like psychic frog and the blue mdfcs from the set which make mono blue belcher better. I agree with Reid that MH3 has made quite a few strategies irrelevant and that’s something I don’t like for the format. Modern is supposed to be a format where you can play with the deck you love and you can do reasonably well with in tournaments. I hope modern becomes more balanced after the ban update later this month
Just checked mtg goldfish's Most Played Cards in Modern: ALL top 10 of them are in boros energy
But if they make the Modern Horizons sets lower power level, people complain that they "aren't really designed for Modern", say "these cards look like they've been designed for Commander", and mockingly call them "Commander Horizons" instead.
Actually, people already did that during MH2 and MH3 preview seasons.
It is interesting how modern as format is suffering because of The One Ring, but MH3 gets most of the blame. Also, the energy mechanic is mentioned, when the strongest cards in Boros Energy aren't even energy cards. Ajani is probably the best example for this. A 2 mana card, that is stronger than many 4cc planeswalkers. Brings a body, can deal insane damage while adding more bodies to the board etc. Just compare that to, let's say Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, a perfectly strong token generating PW.
So why does it bother me? Because the narrative drives ban decisions. And when the narrative misses the point, you get bad bans.
MH3 kind of overcorrected for White and somewhat for Red in the the color pie for modern, pre MH3 sultai colors and some red were most of the best decks and there was not as much white in top tier decks. This was really brought foeth after the Nadu ban.
Mh3 feels like they just designed new decks and put it into a set.
A set full of built in precons
It makes me wonder if the cards that were overrated are just not good enough or if the broken stuff is keeping them out.
I heard eldrazi line breaker is ban worthy in legacy
Legacy looks unrecognizable. So many decks were killed.
yea, not cool.
how many MH3 cards are being held out of the format because of the one ring?
sneaky snacker is warping pauper so hard.
I am so glad I left modern when I did. Modern Horizons is a huge net negative to Modern.
Thanks for mentioning timeless ;)
Me personally I love phlage i think it is decently designed better than kroxa worse than uro but didn't ho through standard so it's ok for it to be good
snacker is a pauper all star
I hate what the lord of the rings set did to modern. Modern was fun before the release
fanatic of rhonas is at least good in MTGA historic
Just dropped Modern with MH3. I know many others.
Rumble "a little bit better than i expected"
Lol ok
Wotc: “ Hey, you know that mechanic that destroyed standard pre fires era and saw lots of bannings to power down the mechanic? How about we put it in modern”
brutally honest, misread basically everything in the set.
Nice Video!
Kozilek's Unsealing is actually deadly in a U Affinity build. Especially when dropped on Turn 2.
And if it’s not in turn two, there’s just better things you can do.
Consign To Memory seems like a must-include in Stifle Dreadnaught decks. I personally like overpowered cards and prefer a lot of overpowered options to bannings. But that's just me.
I just moved on to pioneer for regular "fair" magic
If only I could find people to play around here. Standard didn't even fire tonight :/
@@captntynknots83pioneer and standard are too low power for people who have gotten used to modern.
@@captntynknots83I’ve been hearing that a lot and me and my friend have considered doing a discord where you can play with people on spell table on certain nights as like an “FNM” style where we have table voice chats but idk if people would want that
Standard is lower power , but it is really fun right now, I think this is the best standard meta in a long, long time. There are good aggro, mid range and control decks, Control maybe a little underrepresented but there are options (mono w, and domain are both great decks). For years I pretty much only played modern and limited, but after MH3 I really lost interest in the format, I do still sleeve up amulet titan and mono b coffers every once and a while.
Stop making modern horizons sets. Make these commander sets.
I dont call this format Modern, its Horizons.
Modern was replaced :/
At some point modern cards aren't modern anymore and they are classics.
Spoiler. Nadu was problematic.
Mh3 was money printer go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. A horrible set, with an even worse limited
Kozileks command needs to be banned in legacy, psychic frog needs to go away entirely from everything
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Eh, frog is fine in modern
there are way too many bans. whatever happened with these bans gives the game a very bad reputation when players look to see if they want to purchase anything new.
I disagree. Banning problematic cards is a good thing. You won't get new players otherwise.
@@xXSamir44Xx yes, getting your decks invalidated by power creep is driving players away. wotc should make enough money printing alt arts of staples, no need to kill so many classic archetypes in modern and legacy.
You want my opinion about Modern? Stopped playing it shortly affter they started printing modern horizon sets, because it soon became clear their goal with those is to make all the preexisting cards/decks obsolete, which makes modern effectively a rotating format not worth playing (like standard). Now I could not care less about modern and am not even going to watch the rest of this video. (Only started watching because I thought it was limited - forgot you already did that.)
Please wizards stop the shameless rotation on MH sets. The directly to modern seta has been horrible for the format.
First i suppose