My mother’s name was Trina. She spent 2 weeks in a coma before she died. Very much like sleeping before embracing death. Since this game first came out I’ve been unable to not compare St. Trina to my mother. After this DLC it’s even harder. How could I not? She’s been gone 12 years now. She loved the color purple.
@@grimngruesome8988 it is. I didn’t mean it to sound as depressing as it does. It’s just such a meaningful thing for me. I want to believe in coincidence, but my life has taught me that there are no coincidences.
Miquella reminds me of the Stranger in Mark Twain's "The Mysterious Stranger" novel. The Stranger is a powerful angel who does not know the difference between Right and Wrong, having not partaken of the Fruit of Knowledge. Because of his ignorance, and his genius, he is able to conjure miracles and atrocities while wholly naive about the difference between the two. He befriends afew children, and gets along well with them, but hates adults and their objections to his horrific works. In truth, Twain was making a statement about the Biblical god more so than angels, and it is an interesting companion story to his Letters From Earth collection. Edit to add that the Stranger is also very condescending toward humanity, yet condescending without malice. He is just naturally superior to humanity, viewing them as a man would ants.
Interesting idea: I’d say that Miquella does know of the idea of good and evil, since he has an idea of compassion. It seems more like to me that since he is eternally a child, he doesn’t have the psychological development or pre frontal cortex to understand nuance and thinks that mind control and abandoning his emotions(love) is the way to go.
What has stuck with me regarding Miquella is the cut dialogue "Let all things flourish, whether graceful, or malign." I feel there's some connection there to The Stranger, tho perhaps different to naivety regarding right and wrong 🤔
“St. Trina’s love for Kind Miquella is boundless. She is, after all, his discarded other half. Or…perhaps her feelings go even beyond that” This quote is from Needle Knight Leda who was Miquella’s most hardcore follower and even she suspected that there could have been something more going on between the two.
In addition to her representing his doubts and indecision, I believe that St. Trina is literally his love and kind-heartedness that he once truly harbored, but had to abandon in order to become a god. There's a recurrent theme of Empyreans being forced to give up their humanity to become gods. Look at Marika and how she stopped bathing the world in the kindness of Gold after she left her Shaman village for the last time, and ended up genociding all those who opposed her, while also forsaking her children in the process. Then we have Ranni, who rather than give up her love for Rennala, Blaidd, and Iji, destroyed her body so she could no longer be an Empyrean and be forced to become a puppet of the Two Fingers and lose that part of herself. And now we have Miquella, who abandoned the loving and compassionate side of himself (the one who used to care for the Misbegotten and the abandoned like the Albinaurics; and in cut content St. Trina helped soothe those who were afflicted by the Frenzied Flame), in order to become a god and forcefully impose an Age of Compassion, while also manipulating his followers and possibly even forcing a death onto Radahn to make him his consort (yes, his memory at the end of the boss implies that the two made a vow, but why would Malenia have to fight him at the end of the Shattering when Radahn could have just died or surrendered to her at the Battle of Aeonia? It seems he changed his mind, or at the very least had doubts like St. Trina about Miquella's intent, OR the power of his Great Rune tainted his once noble intentions and made him ambitious).
I agree with your points AND I like this idea of Radahn's Great Rune potentially tainting his once "noble intentions" with the flame of ambition. Radahn is an interesting character in all of this and I'm often left wondering what role he played and how much of it was known to him. Thanks for watching! (:
I think Miquella's own journey to become a god (trying to create an order of compassion by discarding his own) is reflective of what Marika must have gone through to become a god as well. Trina's lines about godhood being a prison is because it is. An emperyan becoming a god is not worth losing those they love or the parts of themselves that make them good. It is cruel to both the one that becomes a god and their subjects, because the godhood in Elden Ring is a curse. A curse that is passed on to the children of the god and leaves even ancient powerful beings broken and abandoned.
Gorgeous video. St Trina’s area made me feel so forlorn. I wish we had more of her. I do think it’s interesting that when we talk to her in the waking world her mouth moves but we can’t hear her words. She tries hard to reach us. Only by persistence can we hear her. Only by faith in her kindness. As for Miquella’s choice. Sometimes kindness can make one indecisive as it can cause one to fear harming another person whether directly or indirectly. Miquella removing his indecisiveness in the form of his love and kindness is so heartbreaking.
Thank you, I'm so glad you liked it! I noticed that too, how sad that she so desperately wants to be heard but cannot. She wants to save Miquella from his potential prison even after being discarded. That's the love part of him.
I think the reason why she’s also associated with his doubt and love. Is because sleep brings truth. The truth of your subconscious. The real part of you, in some way. It’s always showing you what you should do, cus in a way it can be seen, if seen that way. Is a form of self love/preservation. There was a part of him that obviously knew marika was caged in her own realm of divinity. Did not like it, but had to be stripped because she would not fit into his order because he can’t risk a selfish thought. Even though to be compassionate starts with compassion for yourself. He was gonna be doomed from the start.
Loved the video, you have such a soothing voice and great way of presenting info in a digestible and enjoyable way. I feel like her association with toxins and poison is a massive indicator of why she was abandoned. Many medicines are derived from poisons, they really are two faces of the same coin. She represents love- in all its forms- including: - Self love to the point of obsession, willing to "kill someone to save them" (Miquella) 💀 - fickle or selective love, eg talking to someone while you dont offer another (who is begging you in like 8 different ways for attention including self deleting) so much as a smile, or word Like all of the things he abandons, her complicated, multilayered, ALLOYED love is not something he could afford to have on his path to godhood- nor could it be the foundation of an age of compassion (which is a separate thing to love imo)
Great presentation :) St Trina being the indecisive & likely more thoughtful piece of Miquella could definitely work alongside her being representative of love! I love the idea that Thiollier wasn't brave enough to kill himself to hear St Trina (the once he'd heard her before then being during his initial Tarnished death) but you bring him closer to her again by actually killing him :)
I was so afraid to watch this. But then, I knew you to be capable of perceiving and producing tremendous nuance. I applaud thee thy gorgeous world of recognition for a character that sadly feels like she’s mostly on the cutting room floor of the writer’s room for from soft. Beautiful tribute to her, thank you for sharing!
There's really nothing pointing to the idea that Miquella wanted to kill St. Trina. He locked her behind an impenetrable seal. Maybe he wanted to protect her. Maybe he wanted to make sure she couldn't stop him from ascending. Either way, it's silly to treat Miquella like some kind of cartoon monster
@@blackeddeathI think her bleeding enough to feed the local population of putrescence should tell you exactly what his intentions were. "Protect". You know who he wants to protect? Himself. From whoever she sends after him.
So true. 💜 St. Trina offered peaceful rest to the long since dead that had now congealed into a putrid mound, a pitiful existence that no one should have to suffer. Miquella cannot offer salvation to anyone anymore without St. Trina. She was that part of him.
I was sincerely hoping to see Godwyn in St. Trina's dream in this DLC. I am disappointed that it didn't happen, but she remains one of my favorite characters regardless.
Wonderful video! Ive been waiting for a Trina video from you. She was probably the aspect of the expansion that I was most excited to learn about and discovering what Miquella truly did to her was the saddest part of the dlc for me. Personally I agree with you about St. Trina being the indecisive one, but I think it's more than that. I believe she never believed in becoming a god or at least Miquella's method. I mean her own dialogue says it best. I believe she was against Miquella becoming a god from the beginning.
I totally agree! Miquella doesn't just want it, he says it will be so, "Lord Brother, I'm going to be a god." St. Trina on the other hand was clearly against it. Which means when you put them together, indecisiveness! :D Thanks so much for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@@AHumanJusticar Absolutely! And one thing I love about that very line of dialogue, is that he sounds very scared, almost on the verge of tears to me. As you say, the doubt that St. Trina held was so vast, Miquella himself was on the verge of abandoning his path to godhood altogether. Which is why to him, her abandonment was of the utmost importance. It's fascinating and very sad to hear that tone from him when he speaks. A stark contrast to the beginning of the second phase of the final boss. He speaks with such confidence that it's almost contagious. You can definitely see how Radahn and so many others may have been swayed.
I just want to point out that much of what you're saying is right and true, but I also want to clarify that Marika's children are dryads and part dryads. The dryads in Elden Ring's world were able to merge together, split apart, and even come into being. Marika became this saint-like figure through oboborso. In alchemy, in order to make something like a homunculus, a being able to inhabit the fullness of a greater outer god is needed. Now, because Marika performed this ritual by herself, several outer gods heard the call and now try to find themselves in many of Marika's children. All of them are capable of possessing plant-like abilities, from Melina, who was born at the foot of an earth tree and the shaman village, to Malenia, who also has several splits of herself like Millicent. All these other buds of her constantly have plant features as well. Then we see her brother and Saint Trina. The thing Saint Trina was talking about regarding a prison is that, like the Lord of Frenzied Flame, the Scarlet Rot, and even the Greater Will, when you ascend to godhood, you only ascend in flesh. I suppose even the Prince of Death also suffered this fate, as did those that became the princes of death, because their souls, minds, and wills are all gone, and the outer god inhabits that body and takes over its influence. We've seen it with the Lord of Frenzied Flame several times as a clear depiction. We also see it with The Crucible Tree or the Erdtree when it was possessed once before, known as The Crucible Tree or the primordial tree. Later on, it became the Golden Tree when it was possessed by the Greater Will. If you follow the Frenzied Flame ending, it gets possessed by the Lord of Frenzied Flame, with the Frenzied Flame Head Right Above It glowing ever brighter. So my point in all this is that it's not so much that they're different personalities being split off or mindsets or anything like that, but they're actually different buds of the same person, each with their own individual thoughts, feelings, and ideals. Because they have this ability to inhabit different things within them as dryads, they are perfect hosts for the outer gods. The outer gods have something to grow within, which I guess is their association with these plant-like people and the corpse mound-like trees you see all around the Divinity Gates and so on. They are like divine parasites, outer god parasites that grow within these beings and try to bring about their influence into the world to make the world the way they choose to see it. My question is, who is/was Miquella's outer god and what is their influence theme? If we could have seen the full Rune we could have unsterstood more. Since runes in bloodborne are languages of the Great Ones inscribed by Runesmith Caryll, a student of Byrgenwerth. Those who etch the runes into their mind can attain their wondrous strength. At the level of outer gods you would need many runes to form "great runes". Like on the door of the wrd tree and the final boss in the base game, that rune on the door reads something like "Heir". To only have part of that rune would make it hard to fully understand, and so e are left wondering about Miquella's.
The reading that Miquella abandoning St Trina causes her to become imbalanced in her own way and leads her "sleep" intro deathly poison is so interesting. What did Miquella look like before discarding St Trina, and what makes him different now? One thing that I was thinking before the DLC was that the Nascent Butterflies were Miquella's way of guiding the player, but now I am leaning towards them representing St Trina's influence. I wonder what find those butterflies mean about Miquella and St Trina's love and fear throughout the world.
Such a beautiful video about a character we deserved so much more of!! 💜 Maybe Trina is an analogy for how the developers lost their love for her and just did her dirty 😭
I think to understand what is meant by 'love' you need look at what it is St. Trina does. Okay, so she induces sleep. I'm going to make an assumption and say this velvety sleep involves dreaming. Now there are two aspects to the act of dreaming which I believe explains the relationship and why it was abandoned. One is how dreams can be a wellspring of ideas and inspiration. I can see Miquella brimming with ideas being described as a child prodigy. St. Trina takes on the role of a muse. The problem with Miquella being cursed with eternal youth is he's constantly stuck in this euphoric brainstorming phase without the maturity to pick a path or hash out the practical planning and resources to realize said ideas. And then he just abandons his plans when they don't go the way he thought they would. The second aspect of dreaming is the absolute control you can have in them. If people appear your dream you control them. If you have a great idea, it automatically works perfectly because it's your dream. In your dreams you can always have the reassurance that you are a god. But... reality doesn't that way. You are not the master of the theater or it's actors. Though I'm sure in Miquella's mind he comes to the conclusion of, Yeah, but it could be! If I just become a God and impose it on the world it'll be fine. And that's how I interpret Miquella abandoning his doubt and love with respect to St. Trina. Miquella doesn't feel he can move forward if he's forever piddling about in dreams and unrealized goals.
Miquella discarded her in an attempt to remove his indecisiveness, but he himself mever realized that you can't show Compassion, unless you have a choice.
I was wondering what that purple streak on her face was meant to be. Turns out it's likely her nectar/blood from some wound she got from being torn from Miquella.
Your voice always soothing and your videos are great. With that being said... i need dlc that lets us have at the greater will... need to remove its will.
I just realized that Saint Trina is one of the few named saints. The Potentates were trying to make saints with the jars. So does that mean that Saint Trina started as a shaman(apparently named shrine maiden in the og Japanese) and was later placed in a jar to become a saint?
I think that all the empyreans have the potential split thier beings. Millicent and her sisters split from malenia subconsciously when the she unleashed the rot against radahn. Ranni either chose not to split or the second phase of the renalla's boss fight is Ranni's second being or possibly it was Loreretta
If Marika was merged in the pot with Radagon to create a saint who then grew into the Erdtree then perhaps St. Trina is the woman with whom Miquella merged before he embedded himself into the Haligtree?
Miquella being an awful person behind the veneer of altruism, and Trina being the absolute best & just wanting a sleep, reflects my own life too much. Hell Yeah, Justicar!
I don’t think that St Trina represents Miquella’s doubt and vacillation. Based on the location of that cross leading up to finding the Stone Coffin Fissure it seems to me more like doubt is what Miquella had to cast off before he could allow himself to go threw with then casting off St Trina. Also when we speak to Trina she herself doesn’t express any doubt or speak in any uncertain terms about what she believes must happen to Miquella.
I see where you’re going but at that particular Miquella Cross you find Nectar-Blood Burgeons surrounding it, an item associated with St. Trina’s blood specifically. You’re absolutely right, St. Trina doesn’t express any doubt, she’s firmly against Miquella becoming a god to the point that she believes death would be a better option. And Miquella is not just hoping to become a god, he says it will be so “Lord Brother. I’m going to be a god.” So when we put them together into one whole being; you get indecisiveness.
@@AHumanJusticar I just find it interesting that he abandoned his doubts and his love in two different locations. At the very least we can be sure that some of Trina's blood pooled around that Miquella's cross. To me it seems like if you are correct that Trina's disagreement with Miquella resulted in indecision more so than Trina herself being the embodiment of that characteristic. Maybe I'm just splitting hairs here though. Great video regardless!
@@emilyminnow I don't think she's the embodiment of his doubts, "her being a part of him caused him to doubt himself and his goal" was my major point, which I guess is very much splitting hairs lol. Thanks so much for watching! :)
@@AHumanJusticar fuck yes 👍 looking forward to that. I just haven't seen any videos on st. Trina that ppl aren't on her side. But there's a piece of me that's like "idk...wants us to kill her other half, seems to be the source of miquillas child form and is also associated with flowers like the scarlet rot?" Seems outter godish to me lol
So, I think that the words we hear from Miquela are for Godwyn and not Rhadan. Godwyn was the first choice of Miquela and the whole night of black knives was Miquela and Trina doing, using Ranni as a mere tool. The fact that we see Godwyn completely powerless in the hand of the assassins seems to suggest that he was asleep. But Trina betrayed Miquela because she had Ranni only half kill Godwyn. Miquela needed Godwyn dead to resurrect him as he did with Rhadan, but Trina was against him becoming a god for the reasons we know. We know that Miquela tried to have Godwyn die a true death, but failed. So he chose Rhadan and imprisoned Trina in the fissure to avoid her messing up everything again. Also, Trina helsef tells us that Miquela needs forgiveness, but we know of no sin he committed. Being the primary cause of the shattering would be a good explanation.
It could be forgiveness for his whole plot to begin with. Taking mogh, sending Malenia after radhan, dragging everyone through the shadow lands, getting rid of Trina all to become a god. But I do like ur theory tho
@@troy6646 but you can't ask forgiveness for actions that you're actually committing, sounds to me that Miquela feels guilty for something he did in hte past. The point here being that Trina talks from Miquela prospective and not ours.
@@lupinsensei7456 is it possible she's asking us to forgive him from the perspective of being his other half? I'm not trying to argue or anything, I guess I just didn't interpret it as past tense
It could be St Trina asking for you to forgive Miquella for the sin of abandoning her to die and stop him from Godhood. I can’t see Trina or Miquella actively plotting to murder anyone let alone his beloved brother.
What do you think sainthood is? We had Romina, St of the Bud, whose also has flowers sprouting from her body. PS: nice video! Your voice almost competes with St Trina's to reveal secrets 🪻
My mother’s name was Trina. She spent 2 weeks in a coma before she died. Very much like sleeping before embracing death. Since this game first came out I’ve been unable to not compare St. Trina to my mother. After this DLC it’s even harder. How could I not? She’s been gone 12 years now. She loved the color purple.
That's deep bro :(
@@grimngruesome8988 it is. I didn’t mean it to sound as depressing as it does. It’s just such a meaningful thing for me. I want to believe in coincidence, but my life has taught me that there are no coincidences.
That's beautiful honestly. It's almost like it was made just out of remberance of her.
@@clyd1bon how could I not see it that way? Makes it even that much more special to me.
You just added another layer to my sleep character. I think St Trina is the only good character in Elden Ring.
Miquella reminds me of the Stranger in Mark Twain's "The Mysterious Stranger" novel. The Stranger is a powerful angel who does not know the difference between Right and Wrong, having not partaken of the Fruit of Knowledge. Because of his ignorance, and his genius, he is able to conjure miracles and atrocities while wholly naive about the difference between the two. He befriends afew children, and gets along well with them, but hates adults and their objections to his horrific works. In truth, Twain was making a statement about the Biblical god more so than angels, and it is an interesting companion story to his Letters From Earth collection.
Edit to add that the Stranger is also very condescending toward humanity, yet condescending without malice. He is just naturally superior to humanity, viewing them as a man would ants.
Oh wow, I never made this connection but I really like this!
Interesting idea: I’d say that Miquella does know of the idea of good and evil, since he has an idea of compassion. It seems more like to me that since he is eternally a child, he doesn’t have the psychological development or pre frontal cortex to understand nuance and thinks that mind control and abandoning his emotions(love) is the way to go.
What has stuck with me regarding Miquella is the cut dialogue "Let all things flourish, whether graceful, or malign." I feel there's some connection there to The Stranger, tho perhaps different to naivety regarding right and wrong 🤔
“St. Trina’s love for Kind Miquella is boundless. She is, after all, his discarded other half. Or…perhaps her feelings go even beyond that”
This quote is from Needle Knight Leda who was Miquella’s most hardcore follower and even she suspected that there could have been something more going on between the two.
In addition to her representing his doubts and indecision, I believe that St. Trina is literally his love and kind-heartedness that he once truly harbored, but had to abandon in order to become a god.
There's a recurrent theme of Empyreans being forced to give up their humanity to become gods. Look at Marika and how she stopped bathing the world in the kindness of Gold after she left her Shaman village for the last time, and ended up genociding all those who opposed her, while also forsaking her children in the process.
Then we have Ranni, who rather than give up her love for Rennala, Blaidd, and Iji, destroyed her body so she could no longer be an Empyrean and be forced to become a puppet of the Two Fingers and lose that part of herself.
And now we have Miquella, who abandoned the loving and compassionate side of himself (the one who used to care for the Misbegotten and the abandoned like the Albinaurics; and in cut content St. Trina helped soothe those who were afflicted by the Frenzied Flame), in order to become a god and forcefully impose an Age of Compassion, while also manipulating his followers and possibly even forcing a death onto Radahn to make him his consort (yes, his memory at the end of the boss implies that the two made a vow, but why would Malenia have to fight him at the end of the Shattering when Radahn could have just died or surrendered to her at the Battle of Aeonia? It seems he changed his mind, or at the very least had doubts like St. Trina about Miquella's intent, OR the power of his Great Rune tainted his once noble intentions and made him ambitious).
I agree with your points AND I like this idea of Radahn's Great Rune potentially tainting his once "noble intentions" with the flame of ambition. Radahn is an interesting character in all of this and I'm often left wondering what role he played and how much of it was known to him.
Thanks for watching! (:
I think Miquella's own journey to become a god (trying to create an order of compassion by discarding his own) is reflective of what Marika must have gone through to become a god as well.
Trina's lines about godhood being a prison is because it is. An emperyan becoming a god is not worth losing those they love or the parts of themselves that make them good. It is cruel to both the one that becomes a god and their subjects, because the godhood in Elden Ring is a curse. A curse that is passed on to the children of the god and leaves even ancient powerful beings broken and abandoned.
Gorgeous video. St Trina’s area made me feel so forlorn. I wish we had more of her.
I do think it’s interesting that when we talk to her in the waking world her mouth moves but we can’t hear her words. She tries hard to reach us. Only by persistence can we hear her. Only by faith in her kindness.
As for Miquella’s choice. Sometimes kindness can make one indecisive as it can cause one to fear harming another person whether directly or indirectly. Miquella removing his indecisiveness in the form of his love and kindness is so heartbreaking.
Thank you, I'm so glad you liked it! I noticed that too, how sad that she so desperately wants to be heard but cannot. She wants to save Miquella from his potential prison even after being discarded. That's the love part of him.
I think the reason why she’s also associated with his doubt and love. Is because sleep brings truth. The truth of your subconscious. The real part of you, in some way. It’s always showing you what you should do, cus in a way it can be seen, if seen that way. Is a form of self love/preservation. There was a part of him that obviously knew marika was caged in her own realm of divinity. Did not like it, but had to be stripped because
she would not fit into his order because he can’t risk a selfish thought. Even though to be compassionate starts with compassion for yourself. He was gonna be doomed from the start.
Loved the video, you have such a soothing voice and great way of presenting info in a digestible and enjoyable way.
I feel like her association with toxins and poison is a massive indicator of why she was abandoned. Many medicines are derived from poisons, they really are two faces of the same coin.
She represents love- in all its forms- including:
- Self love to the point of obsession, willing to "kill someone to save them" (Miquella) 💀
- fickle or selective love, eg talking to someone while you dont offer another (who is begging you in like 8 different ways for attention including self deleting) so much as a smile, or word
Like all of the things he abandons, her complicated, multilayered, ALLOYED love is not something he could afford to have on his path to godhood- nor could it be the foundation of an age of compassion (which is a separate thing to love imo)
Thank you so much for watching, I’m glad you enjoyed it 😊 I liked this idea of multilayered love 💡
Great presentation :) St Trina being the indecisive & likely more thoughtful piece of Miquella could definitely work alongside her being representative of love!
I love the idea that Thiollier wasn't brave enough to kill himself to hear St Trina (the once he'd heard her before then being during his initial Tarnished death) but you bring him closer to her again by actually killing him :)
It’s quite sad but also what he wanted. Thanks for watching! 😁
He can actually be summoned to fight against Miquella in the last battle
She's such a melancholic character and it makes me wish there was a way for them to be reunited. If not alive, but maybe twin prince sword style.
Silver sword of St. Trina combining with the Unalloyed gold of Miquella! That would have been VERY cool :D
I was so afraid to watch this. But then, I knew you to be capable of perceiving and producing tremendous nuance. I applaud thee thy gorgeous world of recognition for a character that sadly feels like she’s mostly on the cutting room floor of the writer’s room for from soft.
Beautiful tribute to her, thank you for sharing!
Thanks for watching! I hope I did her justice in your eyes ☺️
@@_CrimsonBlade off to the shadow realm with you, foul cretin!
Okay if Miquella just straight up tossed her off a cliff expecting her to die, he was way more evil than I thought
If that's the case why would he have a seal preventing anyone in or out of the crevice?
@PleasantLeech so they wouldn't discover his crimes against St.Trina.
There's really nothing pointing to the idea that Miquella wanted to kill St. Trina. He locked her behind an impenetrable seal. Maybe he wanted to protect her. Maybe he wanted to make sure she couldn't stop him from ascending. Either way, it's silly to treat Miquella like some kind of cartoon monster
@@blackeddeath well depending on your definition of “cartoon” and “monster” he could very well literally be that
@@blackeddeathI think her bleeding enough to feed the local population of putrescence should tell you exactly what his intentions were.
"Protect". You know who he wants to protect?
Himself. From whoever she sends after him.
In a land of eternal life, how blissful a respite the gift of rest must have been for the people there.
So true. 💜
St. Trina offered peaceful rest to the long since dead that had now congealed into a putrid mound, a pitiful existence that no one should have to suffer. Miquella cannot offer salvation to anyone anymore without St. Trina. She was that part of him.
@@AHumanJusticar perhaps by casting St. Trina down there, Miquella made his last act of kindness
I was sincerely hoping to see Godwyn in St. Trina's dream in this DLC. I am disappointed that it didn't happen, but she remains one of my favorite characters regardless.
Imagine being shot in the kneecap with an arrow and the shooter is like "it's okay bro, I'm just spreading the good word of St Trina"
Still heartbroken about her abandonment.
Video is great nonetheless. My thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
Your video is great! Watching it made me realize that like Trina was not Miquella's enemy, Gloam Eyed Queen was likely not Marika's.
Genius! This is the best theory I've seen in a while.
I loved St. Trina! I didn't realize you could get an item for her after the final boss! 😢💙
Best St. Trina video 💜
Stellar ideas and video. Thank you for your hard work
Thanks for watching! :)
Wonderful video! Ive been waiting for a Trina video from you. She was probably the aspect of the expansion that I was most excited to learn about and discovering what Miquella truly did to her was the saddest part of the dlc for me. Personally I agree with you about St. Trina being the indecisive one, but I think it's more than that. I believe she never believed in becoming a god or at least Miquella's method. I mean her own dialogue says it best. I believe she was against Miquella becoming a god from the beginning.
I totally agree!
Miquella doesn't just want it, he says it will be so, "Lord Brother, I'm going to be a god." St. Trina on the other hand was clearly against it. Which means when you put them together, indecisiveness! :D Thanks so much for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@@AHumanJusticar Absolutely! And one thing I love about that very line of dialogue, is that he sounds very scared, almost on the verge of tears to me. As you say, the doubt that St. Trina held was so vast, Miquella himself was on the verge of abandoning his path to godhood altogether. Which is why to him, her abandonment was of the utmost importance. It's fascinating and very sad to hear that tone from him when he speaks. A stark contrast to the beginning of the second phase of the final boss. He speaks with such confidence that it's almost contagious. You can definitely see how Radahn and so many others may have been swayed.
I just want to point out that much of what you're saying is right and true, but I also want to clarify that Marika's children are dryads and part dryads. The dryads in Elden Ring's world were able to merge together, split apart, and even come into being. Marika became this saint-like figure through oboborso. In alchemy, in order to make something like a homunculus, a being able to inhabit the fullness of a greater outer god is needed.
Now, because Marika performed this ritual by herself, several outer gods heard the call and now try to find themselves in many of Marika's children. All of them are capable of possessing plant-like abilities, from Melina, who was born at the foot of an earth tree and the shaman village, to Malenia, who also has several splits of herself like Millicent. All these other buds of her constantly have plant features as well. Then we see her brother and Saint Trina. The thing Saint Trina was talking about regarding a prison is that, like the Lord of Frenzied Flame, the Scarlet Rot, and even the Greater Will, when you ascend to godhood, you only ascend in flesh. I suppose even the Prince of Death also suffered this fate, as did those that became the princes of death, because their souls, minds, and wills are all gone, and the outer god inhabits that body and takes over its influence.
We've seen it with the Lord of Frenzied Flame several times as a clear depiction. We also see it with The Crucible Tree or the Erdtree when it was possessed once before, known as The Crucible Tree or the primordial tree. Later on, it became the Golden Tree when it was possessed by the Greater Will. If you follow the Frenzied Flame ending, it gets possessed by the Lord of Frenzied Flame, with the Frenzied Flame Head Right Above It glowing ever brighter.
So my point in all this is that it's not so much that they're different personalities being split off or mindsets or anything like that, but they're actually different buds of the same person, each with their own individual thoughts, feelings, and ideals. Because they have this ability to inhabit different things within them as dryads, they are perfect hosts for the outer gods. The outer gods have something to grow within, which I guess is their association with these plant-like people and the corpse mound-like trees you see all around the Divinity Gates and so on. They are like divine parasites, outer god parasites that grow within these beings and try to bring about their influence into the world to make the world the way they choose to see it.
My question is, who is/was Miquella's outer god and what is their influence theme? If we could have seen the full Rune we could have unsterstood more. Since runes in bloodborne are languages of the Great Ones inscribed by Runesmith Caryll, a student of Byrgenwerth. Those who etch the runes into their mind can attain their wondrous strength. At the level of outer gods you would need many runes to form "great runes". Like on the door of the wrd tree and the final boss in the base game, that rune on the door reads something like "Heir". To only have part of that rune would make it hard to fully understand, and so e are left wondering about Miquella's.
I was waiting for new videos on Trina. Thanks ❤️
The reading that Miquella abandoning St Trina causes her to become imbalanced in her own way and leads her "sleep" intro deathly poison is so interesting. What did Miquella look like before discarding St Trina, and what makes him different now? One thing that I was thinking before the DLC was that the Nascent Butterflies were Miquella's way of guiding the player, but now I am leaning towards them representing St Trina's influence. I wonder what find those butterflies mean about Miquella and St Trina's love and fear throughout the world.
Thanks so much for watching Jack! I’m glad you enjoyed it 😁 I’ve actually rethought the nascent butterflies too! Great minds think alike.
I love this video so much because I love St. Trina! 😢 I wish we could save her!
Such a beautiful video💜
Thank you ☺️
Amazing video, as always. I eagerly await any video you give us next.
More to come very soon! 😄
A video on Ranni the witch would be cool. Great video
Such a beautiful video about a character we deserved so much more of!! 💜 Maybe Trina is an analogy for how the developers lost their love for her and just did her dirty 😭
Thank you KiteTales 😁🫶🏼
I think to understand what is meant by 'love' you need look at what it is St. Trina does. Okay, so she induces sleep. I'm going to make an assumption and say this velvety sleep involves dreaming. Now there are two aspects to the act of dreaming which I believe explains the relationship and why it was abandoned. One is how dreams can be a wellspring of ideas and inspiration. I can see Miquella brimming with ideas being described as a child prodigy. St. Trina takes on the role of a muse. The problem with Miquella being cursed with eternal youth is he's constantly stuck in this euphoric brainstorming phase without the maturity to pick a path or hash out the practical planning and resources to realize said ideas. And then he just abandons his plans when they don't go the way he thought they would.
The second aspect of dreaming is the absolute control you can have in them. If people appear your dream you control them. If you have a great idea, it automatically works perfectly because it's your dream. In your dreams you can always have the reassurance that you are a god. But... reality doesn't that way. You are not the master of the theater or it's actors. Though I'm sure in Miquella's mind he comes to the conclusion of, Yeah, but it could be! If I just become a God and impose it on the world it'll be fine.
And that's how I interpret Miquella abandoning his doubt and love with respect to St. Trina. Miquella doesn't feel he can move forward if he's forever piddling about in dreams and unrealized goals.
St. Trina's words sound like Miquella telling us this is not what he wanted. After all, she was his altruistic nature.
Miquella discarded her in an attempt to remove his indecisiveness, but he himself mever realized that you can't show Compassion, unless you have a choice.
Tell me more stories so that I may sleep.
It was a twist . But was hoping for more cutscenes with her and marika. Even some more dialogue would’ve been cool .
I agree of course! More cutscenes would have been nice 😊 thanks for watching!
I was wondering what that purple streak on her face was meant to be. Turns out it's likely her nectar/blood from some wound she got from being torn from Miquella.
I believe so, yes! 😢
Beautiful
Your voice always soothing and your videos are great. With that being said... i need dlc that lets us have at the greater will... need to remove its will.
I just realized that Saint Trina is one of the few named saints. The Potentates were trying to make saints with the jars. So does that mean that Saint Trina started as a shaman(apparently named shrine maiden in the og Japanese) and was later placed in a jar to become a saint?
I’m currently working on a Shaman/Saints video to come out very soon! 😁
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Could Thiolier be the author of the Fevor cookbook? Or is Fevor confirmed to be a person name?
I think that all the empyreans have the potential split thier beings. Millicent and her sisters split from malenia subconsciously when the she unleashed the rot against radahn. Ranni either chose not to split or the second phase of the renalla's boss fight is Ranni's second being or possibly it was Loreretta
Thiollier wants to drown face down in St Trina pond😂
If Marika was merged in the pot with Radagon to create a saint who then grew into the Erdtree then perhaps St. Trina is the woman with whom Miquella merged before he embedded himself into the Haligtree?
Amazing voice
Thats what happens when you drink purple flurp from jimmy neutron
Miquella being an awful person behind the veneer of altruism, and Trina being the absolute best & just wanting a sleep, reflects my own life too much. Hell Yeah, Justicar!
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Miquella is not an awful person, he’s a literal child in both body and mind. He’s immature or naive.
Miquella and Griffith from berserk are one and the same it seems
I don’t think that St Trina represents Miquella’s doubt and vacillation. Based on the location of that cross leading up to finding the Stone Coffin Fissure it seems to me more like doubt is what Miquella had to cast off before he could allow himself to go threw with then casting off St Trina. Also when we speak to Trina she herself doesn’t express any doubt or speak in any uncertain terms about what she believes must happen to Miquella.
I see where you’re going but at that particular Miquella Cross you find Nectar-Blood Burgeons surrounding it, an item associated with St. Trina’s blood specifically.
You’re absolutely right, St. Trina doesn’t express any doubt, she’s firmly against Miquella becoming a god to the point that she believes death would be a better option. And Miquella is not just hoping to become a god, he says it will be so “Lord Brother. I’m going to be a god.”
So when we put them together into one whole being; you get indecisiveness.
@@AHumanJusticar I just find it interesting that he abandoned his doubts and his love in two different locations. At the very least we can be sure that some of Trina's blood pooled around that Miquella's cross. To me it seems like if you are correct that Trina's disagreement with Miquella resulted in indecision more so than Trina herself being the embodiment of that characteristic. Maybe I'm just splitting hairs here though. Great video regardless!
@@emilyminnow I don't think she's the embodiment of his doubts, "her being a part of him caused him to doubt himself and his goal" was my major point, which I guess is very much splitting hairs lol.
Thanks so much for watching! :)
Isnt it possible st. Trina is an outter god like the scarlet rot? both are associated with flowers.
I believe there’s an influence inside of her similarly to Malenia. A video on that will be coming out!
@@AHumanJusticar fuck yes 👍 looking forward to that. I just haven't seen any videos on st. Trina that ppl aren't on her side. But there's a piece of me that's like "idk...wants us to kill her other half, seems to be the source of miquillas child form and is also associated with flowers like the scarlet rot?" Seems outter godish to me lol
The real question is who the hell is Miranda, and why she a flower?
St Trina is him sacrificing his love, according to the nearby Miquella cross
Agreed.
So, I think that the words we hear from Miquela are for Godwyn and not Rhadan. Godwyn was the first choice of Miquela and the whole night of black knives was Miquela and Trina doing, using Ranni as a mere tool. The fact that we see Godwyn completely powerless in the hand of the assassins seems to suggest that he was asleep. But Trina betrayed Miquela because she had Ranni only half kill Godwyn. Miquela needed Godwyn dead to resurrect him as he did with Rhadan, but Trina was against him becoming a god for the reasons we know. We know that Miquela tried to have Godwyn die a true death, but failed. So he chose Rhadan and imprisoned Trina in the fissure to avoid her messing up everything again. Also, Trina helsef tells us that Miquela needs forgiveness, but we know of no sin he committed. Being the primary cause of the shattering would be a good explanation.
It could be forgiveness for his whole plot to begin with. Taking mogh, sending Malenia after radhan, dragging everyone through the shadow lands, getting rid of Trina all to become a god. But I do like ur theory tho
@@troy6646 but you can't ask forgiveness for actions that you're actually committing, sounds to me that Miquela feels guilty for something he did in hte past. The point here being that Trina talks from Miquela prospective and not ours.
@@lupinsensei7456 is it possible she's asking us to forgive him from the perspective of being his other half? I'm not trying to argue or anything, I guess I just didn't interpret it as past tense
@@troy6646 the point is she says "grant", which implies him wanting it, am I wrong ?
It could be St Trina asking for you to forgive Miquella for the sin of abandoning her to die and stop him from Godhood. I can’t see Trina or Miquella actively plotting to murder anyone let alone his beloved brother.
What do you think sainthood is? We had Romina, St of the Bud, whose also has flowers sprouting from her body.
PS: nice video! Your voice almost competes with St Trina's to reveal secrets 🪻
Thank you so much! I’m working on a future video all about saints/the shaman/ and the jars 😁