It's actually been known for decades kid. The airline lobby has kept it pretty well squashed on a national level, and up until recently, the House of Mouse has kept it from going from Tampa to Orlando but Briteline changed that. By being a private company, they pretty much told D'idney Wor'l that they were coming to Orlando, and had plans to go to Tampa and that they could get on board and be another stop or they would get bypassed. Disney was using the whole thing saying, "If it stops at WDW, it only stops here, and if it stops anywhere else, it doesn't stop at WDW." They then killed their shuttle bus from the airports to the resorts, and this is what gave Briteline the edge to get Disney on board. They called their bluff.
You are kidding. This is not widespread. This does not even help the most need people, non car drivers. American rail systems outside of New York, if you don't have cars, don't bother. In fact, train lovers will squeeze you out
Its good that people want there to be a change in Florida with an expansion of rail in the state. If Tampa really wants to have rail connecting it to other cities like Brightline it also needs to expand the rail within its metro area with light rail. There is no reason why there is not a rail system there other than an emphasis on building roads that get clogged with cars anyway.
I-4, which is the main route to get to Orlando, is not a state road, but I agree there needs to be some work done to SR-60 to make it more attractive for drivers as an alternative.@@edwardmiessner6502
American including rail supporters have ignored public transportation for decades. Rail supporters will continue to smash public transportation to build expensive rails that you need carsto use.
Prior to the 1970's all passenger rail in the US was privately run, and apparently few ever turned a profit. When Amtrak started, it never turned a profit...except in the North East, and most people avoided it. It's only been in the last 10-20 years rail has seen a major resurgence in the public usage to the point of requiring additional investment.
@@cityplanner3063 Just check, and I find this odd, but I know at one point it was stated that US highways moved close to half the US GDP on highways, but I would need to confirm that.
No, Florida is not ideal. It needs many major metropolitan along that long peninsula , and each metro must have good public transportation. Florida fails both
Population density with lots connect cities. What does that mean, 7 or 8 cities within 400 miles each of them have at least 2 million. Each city must have New york style public transportation. In USA, New England barely makes this requirement. Those big metro areas are still too spread, but compared to Florida, they are more concentrated. Public transportation in major cities in Florida is joke.
I thought the same, but I don't think it's necessarily the headline... I think it has more to do with the fact that it's about Florida and we just expect everything that comes from that government to be hot garbage lol
@@ishaqmo7200Also they'd need Electrification as electric powered trains can run much faster than these diesel engines and they'd also need to separate the multiple grade crossings they have.
Though Tampa doesn’t have that much of public transit outside buses and the heritage streetcar, would be interesting if this Brightline idea would expand and upgrade transit like in the past with good connectivity to rail stations, though wish they used Tampa Union but any rail is good rail
@@cristianMoon24 I mean Brightline is more so owning their own land for and around the station for money, which is mostly where their revenue comes from. It’s not like they could mix historical and modern elements, European upgrades have them too.
That's the main issue w HSR. Systems like the Japanese Shinkansen obviously have no highway-rail grade crossings, and it's one of the major factors for their saftey record. Not sure if you have read up on Texas Centrals' HSR between Dallas Fort Worth and Houston, but they're copying the Shinkansen system and buying all their equipment from them as well. Why re-invent the wheel everytime someone wants HSR, just use what works. Here in the states there's a different design, different train set in every corner it seems. I've always thought that this is the reason none of it ever caught on, no standards and very expensive because of it. Let's hope Texas Central completes this rail, they've had to battle every government agency along the way. If successful I can see it expanding throughout Texas, then other areas copying it. Has to start somewhere.
@JoesAviationJunk Boston’s public transit system is great. Every system has its flaws, but at the end of the day, Boston’s system gets everyone where they need to go. Boston finally has a competent person leading the agency, and they’re finally addressing deferred maintenance. Boston has a wholistic system which includes buses, subways, commuter rail, and long distance (Amtrak). Brightline is more akin to Amtrak than a commuter rail system like NJ Transit or the MBTA. I would genuinely love to see Brightline’s connected cities build out public transit systems like subways, light rail, and buses!
@@adamclabaugh1945 Well yeah the Florida bill was approved by a Republican. He’s saying that it would be nice to see Republicans support rail at a national level (Congress)
The tax payer shouldn't have to pay for projects like this. Brightline is a for profit private company. They have money, let private funds pay for it. The state should only help with securing rights of way.
And yet, Europe and Japan use it very well for just about that distance. Atlanta would be a very good route to expand to, and so too would Jacksonville and Savannah.@@MattyAviation
@@MattyAviationexcept the cities they connect. With minor exceptions, air service doesn’t run milk runs any more. Cities like Valdosta or Waycross, and Macon would regain rail service. Waycross doesn’t have air service, Valdosta only gets you to Atlanta, and Macon inexplicably only serves Baltimore. If nothing else, Macon’s service to Atlanta would sell that part of the line.
Real commuter train travel is FINALLY coming to Florida and its exciting. I love the idea of what Amtrak already offers but I don't like how slow the journey currently is to ride. Now if only any train service could provide a route to Key West again like in the olden days.
You’re right. There’s some people that don’t have peripheral vision, but still drive, there’s some people that take medicines and shouldn’t be driving, there’s some people like me that get too stressed on the toll road and welcome the train, or there’s just some train fans and there’s some people from England that are used to driving left side of the road that would rather take the train after Disney to go take their cruise. And there’s some business people that are taking the train, I saw them, and even some younger people are taking the train with their laptops
High speed or not, the greater benefit would be the ability to maintain 125 mph during the majority of the distance. Even better, avoid level street crossings for safety which should be the case if the rail right-of-way is located along a divided highway. I hope this comes to reality for the people in Florida.
I would love a Tampa, Orlando, Cape Canaveral connection. Between cruise ships, sports, theme parks, and the space industry I think it would be very successful.
You don't build trains for tourists. You build for daily life, work, hospitals, schools, clinics, shopping, n 20 minute walking distance from bus or rail stops to homes in metro areas. Rails are expensive, if you don't build for everyone, it's waste of money. If you do not have good public transportation, it's useless
This is a fantastic change, although funny how the state is prioritizing recouperating the first of building the infrastructure from selling the lease on the trail corridor when the state had never recouperated any of the costs of non-toll freeways built. Still have a ways to go to wake up to the mass subsidy of cars but this is definitely a step in the right direction.
Title of the video was a little misleading. By saying the bill "takes aim" I thought that meant "tries to prevent" not that the goal of the bill Brightline expansion. Either way, I'm all for expanding passenger rail. Expand it all over the state!
I can't wait until Brightline is finally in Tampa !! It will be nice to go to Orlando and then Ft. Lauderdale and Miami. Hate the long drive to Miami and even Ft. Lauderdale. Traffic stinks !
I’ve been hoping for a passenger rail in FL since I was 15 it seems it’s finally happening. I was upset when in ‘09 the Federal government offered to pay for one in FL but State Gov refused.
Brightline and the powers that be in Florida’s government should look at improving the infrastructure so that the trains can run at true high speeds (at least 124 mph but preferably 155+ mph)
As a Puerto Rican, I can only hope that this train boom reaches the colony as well. It’s shameful that we still only have 1 metro line and no type of passenger train around the island(s).
@@DerekWhite-yx2ce Except the report showed Tampa-Orlando would actually make a profit. Of course, the governor killed the project before the report came out. Its not like he saved the US money - the funds simply went to other projects.
None of the states that took the federal funds have high speed rail though. Florida is at least getting something done. They're leading the country at this.
@@ISpitHotFiyaa: I think at least some of those other states already have regional rail, though I’m sure Brightline offers a much better customer experience. But it’s good for FL to get its own regional line now, be it at conventional or high-performance speeds.
Really happy to see that a government even at this level is not only so open and interested in HSR but is pushing to get it implemented and back it financially. This is needed all over the country (the continent even), it’ll be great in so many ways Ntm induced demand on the highway won’t be as much of an issue.
Bucs game and Rays game by train is a pipe dream the media is telling you. Brightline is planning at best, a train to Ybor City ending about where the Amtrak station is there. You would have to take a cab, car, or bus to go see the Bucs or Rays. No way will they make the train go to Tampa Stadium in Tampa or even worse, across the bay to St. Pete where the Rays play. Never will happen Still, it could help alleviate traffic on I-4.
Your title uses the phrase "takes aim at" which implies the bill is attempting to stop the rail expansion. In fact, the bill supports the expansion. A better title would be "Bill supports Brightline expansion to Tampa."
It’s good to see that the USA is now taking passenger rail services seriously but, speaking as someone who lives in Europe, why make booking and using those services so involved? Here we can just turn up and go, without having to drop baggage off or, in many cases, even having to reserve seats.
Connecting Tampa is connecting Western FL to Eastern FL. We badly need an alternative to cars clogging the roads. Imagine a light rail running from Pensacola to Ft. Meyers!
gotta say, that is an eye-catching video title. here I was thinking that "taking aim" was a bad thing. but wow, lawmakers doing a sensible thing. good on them, pat-pat-pat. now keep it coming.
I have always been mind-boggled that you can't take a train from Daytona to Tampa. Sounds like it might be coming closer. At least now they solved a day trip to Miami and now Tampa:):):)
Funny, now, in order to get it the last like what, 80 miles, they now need federal money? Huh, I thought the whole great thing about Brightline was that it was 100% privately financed. Don't get me wrong, I like Brightline, I just find the irony amusing.
I'm surprised that Brightline has marketed themselves as an alternative too driving the I-4 corridor. I'm willing to bet if they said something to the degree of "I-4 but w/o the traffic" they'd get way more enthusiasm!
They just have to come up with a reasonable, cost-effective path between Orlando and Tampa to run the track. And not try to charge Brightline for the loss of toll revenue. Those are the two main sticking points holding it up right now. Politics.
To reduce traffic, why can't people propose that you don't need car like the one in New York or SF in Miami or Orlando public transportation . Oh wait train lovers love to congest the traffic by driving to train stations. When they arrive, they congest traffic by renting cars or taking taxi. That is not how public transportation, trains bullet or not for. If train as public transportation cannot help non car drivers, its useless. Brightline keeps mentioning its making money. Use the construction cost divide by current fares, it doesn't add up. The ad in the trains will not help. The stations restaurants will not help due to terrible connections n low ridership. I bet the profit include the subsidize, the bond, investment, etc. Oh, don't bring that low anuual expect 4 million ridership. For example, Taiwan HSR current ridership 4.8 million A MONTH. It still loses money, but at least it helps Taiwanese. This lack of public transportation in each major city n small cities will not generate that high ridership. Most likely government will take over. The sad part the people who have option to drive on the freeway will eat the budgets of local public transportation. The train lover aka car drivers will do anything they could to keep this live. Florida is a red state. I will not be surprised that Florida will cut essential lousy bus services to support this train to nowhere. Yes train to parking lots is to nowhere. Want to argue, go to Japam your favor bullet trains country, car interface train is a major joke.
It’s literally illegal to build walkable cities so laugh at density laws, not public transit. This is a win for transportation, even if it won’t help traffic it brings other benefits to Florida communities. The low ridership will hopefully fix itself once it gets better coverage and as time goes on. Comparing America to Europe and Japan means noting because zoning laws forbid city planners from making walkable cities with mixed use zoning. To fix the issues with brightline you first have to uproot all of the atrocious laws that cater to cars.
Preserving a 40-ft wide railroad right-of-way or easement is nice, but that is not enough space to retrain a derailed train. There are probably train crash walls required. Train crash walls are typically a mimic of six foot high and heavily reinforced. Having a 125 mph or any train regardless of speed derailing and going sideways across a busy fully loaded interstate is a foreseeable situation that could happen without a 100-ft standard railroad corridor(wider is likely called for) or crash wall restraint.
@abdullahakhtar9824 understood. What I want to see more of is true cooperation of the public and private sector for these kinds of projects. My understanding is that in other countries, the government plays a major role in funding these projects. I am sure there are capable people who can deliver these projects within acceptable parameters across the multiple organizations that need to be involved.
@@soxlearning private sector could probably be better suited for local levels and public sector would probably work the best for national level. IMO private companies provide the best service so I am biased towards private sector
@@pin65371in a perfect world, sadly thats easier said than done with republicans not wanting their taxpayer money going into anything but border security and highways
there are already freight tracks between orlando and tampa. they can just use those today if they don’t plan on supporting hsr. the i4 line will be new and should be real hsr. its stupid and pointless to make it not go at least 150 mph from the beginning
you know this isnt really high-speed rail right the highest it gets up to is 120 which is the amtrak northeast regional and thats not high-speed rail. amtrak Acelia is somewhat high-speed rail going 165 but even that isnt really high-speed rail due to all the slow downs. what brightline is just a commuter rail that owns its own tracks so there is no delays or slow downs due to traffic on the line.
@@Blaze6432 explain metro north then that goes almost 2 hours away from NYC. also my point was its not high speed 80 to 120 isnt high speed and brightline really only goes to 3 cities the orlando run is like a special train and im sure you prob have to buy a special ticket for it. im pretty sure they dont just do a straight run from orlando to Miami because going to Orlando is only 1 set of rails so you cant have back and forth traffic unless its a special line that goes there. anyways my point is that it only does 120 which is not highspeed its the same as northeast regional going from boston to DC and that isnt highspeed at all.
The hurdle is where to build the rail between Orlando airport station and I-4 to then get it to Tampa. Orlando politics and the theme parks looking out for their best interests are what's keeping this from ever happening.
Universal donated land from their Epic Universe expansion across from the OCCC to Brightline for a station. They have a ton of people on the committee to get the extension from MCO to OCCC built. Disney is the one picking up the ball and going home because they didn't get what they wanted from Brightline (paying Disney for the land and paying 100% of the costs for the project).
There are none from KMCO to Daytona and it is very much new and highspeed rail. It drops to 80mph on the main line on the east coast near. Regardless it is still highspeed rail, and to make it completely crossing less would be astronomical because they exciting rail still has to be able to be used.@@edwardmiessner6502
All in for better train service (although brightline is not really high speed) but why is that is has to be funded by taxpayer money? FDOT will cover the costs and brightline keeps the profits? Really?
@@catprog the lease agreement will mean Brightline is getting a super cheap credit line. Must be nice when you don't have to go thru financial institutions and instead ask for cheap money from the federal government (and then comes the double dipping when they ask for money for safety improvements like they already did in the Miami Orlando segment)
Since the end of WW2, this country has been strangled by economically unsustainable and inefficient suburbanization and car-dependence. Both intercity and intracity passenger rail can reverse that and maybe as more Americans use Brightline and experience first-hand the numerous benefits of picking a train over a car, more Americans will see rail travel as a first choice mode of travel, not as a last resort.
You're a fool. The deregulation of the airlines is the worst thing that ever happened to travel. Having the government regulate this is way better to keep costs under control.
The upcoming Orlando-Tampa via I-4 route can and will be classified as high speed. It isn't like the Miami-Orlando route as this one does have a chance climbing to ~150 mph. "or upgraded lines in excess of 200 km/h (124 mph) are widely considered to be high-speed." Electrification could even play a part some day.
No, you're the joke here that keeps moving the goal posts. It is classified as highspeed rail, and Briteline announced 9months ago that they would electrify the system. A basic Google search would have told you that so you didn't look so foolish.@@bernardschmitt6389
Amtrak should buy Brightline. Amtrak shouldn't need to make a profit, as it is a public good, Brightline snatching up these routes will only serve to kneecap Amtrak from expanding service and making it's existing services better. But making a profit would be a nice aside. This potential extension will likely go into the median of I-4 and being in the median of another highway for a little bit, but where would the station go? In the middle of I-4. away from Downtown? Plus, calling this high-speed rail is disingenuous, the speed this train will reach is better classified as higher-speed rail
And again, there is already a route connecting downtown Orlando to downtown Tampa, so now Brightline is turning this into a catfight. What use is the Brightline extension to Orlando if it can't also take you to Downtown Orlando? There's unlikely to be any connection between Orlando and Tampa to Amtrak, unless Brightline uses Union Station in Tampa, so there's always gonna be that gap that will never be filled unless Amtrak connects up their line to the line to the airport
Prices will come down in time as ridership goes up. It costs money to run those trains and they aren't doing it for free. Once it expands and actually goes to places people want to go, it'll be cheaper. Tampa/Orlando is nowhere near as far as Orlando/Miami, so the ridership will go up quite a bit when that happens, plus people can then fly into KTPA and take the train to Orlando instead of paying the huge ticket prices to fly into KMCO.
Most people wouldn't be buying a train ticket from Orlando to Tampa just "for an event that only lasts a few hours". Good lord you anti-rail people always use the most ridiculous hyper-specific scenarios in your arguments against rail travel.
@@Ugh-Fudge_Bwana I'm not anti rail. But Brightline likes to brag that it's privately funded, but then they keep applying for TAXPAYER MONEY!! If its funded by taxpayers tickets shouldn't cost $100.
@fuckshoestheclown I don't know if you were referring to the main person who commented but actually I am all for Brightline. Plus, the prices really did go down recently making it more accessible for people. At its current price, I would buy it. You do make a great point though, I wouldn't buy it for just a small event unless it is significantly lower, but at its current price, I would spend a weekend.
@@ImpendingJokerNo he kinda isn’t. The bare minimum standard for high speed rail is 200kph, 125mph. Which isn’t even considered high speed in many countries. Brightline is set to do that for a very small part of its route.
So glad to be at my young age when people are finally starting to re-realize the benefits of widespread passenger rail in the united states. Love it!
It's actually been known for decades kid. The airline lobby has kept it pretty well squashed on a national level, and up until recently, the House of Mouse has kept it from going from Tampa to Orlando but Briteline changed that. By being a private company, they pretty much told D'idney Wor'l that they were coming to Orlando, and had plans to go to Tampa and that they could get on board and be another stop or they would get bypassed. Disney was using the whole thing saying, "If it stops at WDW, it only stops here, and if it stops anywhere else, it doesn't stop at WDW." They then killed their shuttle bus from the airports to the resorts, and this is what gave Briteline the edge to get Disney on board. They called their bluff.
Private is the way. That's how it all started.
It is not exactly "private" but more of a PPP (which does have issues) but it won't be High Speed just more efficient.
You are kidding. This is not widespread. This does not even help the most need people, non car drivers.
American rail systems outside of New York, if you don't have cars, don't bother. In fact, train lovers will squeeze you out
@@commentorsilensor3734 I'm so sorry to hear about your alzheimers
Its good that people want there to be a change in Florida with an expansion of rail in the state. If Tampa really wants to have rail connecting it to other cities like Brightline it also needs to expand the rail within its metro area with light rail. There is no reason why there is not a rail system there other than an emphasis on building roads that get clogged with cars anyway.
Exactly having that light rail makes it much less car dependent
St Petersburg - Tampa rail tunnel
Priorities need to be changed at the state level, all these broad roads are state highways
No, the new Howard Frankland Bridge actually has space for light rail.@@precariousworlds3029
I-4, which is the main route to get to Orlando, is not a state road, but I agree there needs to be some work done to SR-60 to make it more attractive for drivers as an alternative.@@edwardmiessner6502
After decades of neglect the USA is finally waking up to what could have been. I am happy to see that people finally realize its potential
Yeees
American including rail supporters have ignored public transportation for decades. Rail supporters will continue to smash public transportation to build expensive rails that you need carsto use.
Prior to the 1970's all passenger rail in the US was privately run, and apparently few ever turned a profit. When Amtrak started, it never turned a profit...except in the North East, and most people avoided it. It's only been in the last 10-20 years rail has seen a major resurgence in the public usage to the point of requiring additional investment.
@@jhmcd2roads don’t turn a profit as well. Government spends so much money maintaining roads.
@@cityplanner3063 Just check, and I find this odd, but I know at one point it was stated that US highways moved close to half the US GDP on highways, but I would need to confirm that.
Florida is actually ideal for railways as its one long peninsula.
A Penisula!
No, Florida is not ideal.
It needs many major metropolitan along that long peninsula , and each metro must have good public transportation. Florida fails both
I am saying the topography and landscape is ideal, the implementation is not. @@commentorsilensor3734
Not to mention it is flat!
Population density with lots connect cities.
What does that mean, 7 or 8 cities within 400 miles each of them have at least 2 million. Each city must have New york style public transportation.
In USA, New England barely makes this requirement. Those big metro areas are still too spread, but compared to Florida, they are more concentrated.
Public transportation in major cities in Florida is joke.
The headline is misleading; it sounds like a bill was filed to prevent the expansion
Exactly, I thought the bill attacked the constitution or something
Why?
@@johnp139 It says the bill takes aim at the expansion. It sounds like an attempt to shoot the program down metaphorically.
I thought the same, but I don't think it's necessarily the headline... I think it has more to do with the fact that it's about Florida and we just expect everything that comes from that government to be hot garbage lol
Not really. You're just a little slow. 😂
It’d be great if people stopped calling Brightline high-speed rail, but it’d be even better if this Tampa extension happened.
Though I heard the Tampa extension might go 150, though idk how feasible that is for a short distance or the train itself
They'd need new and different rolling stock though@@TheRandCrews
@@ishaqmo7200Also they'd need Electrification as electric powered trains can run much faster than these diesel engines and they'd also need to separate the multiple grade crossings they have.
@@Touchybanana yeah idk how theyd reach 150 with diesel
@@jb94103 I agree! HSR is awesome and extremely necessary, but any rail at all is good.
Though Tampa doesn’t have that much of public transit outside buses and the heritage streetcar, would be interesting if this Brightline idea would expand and upgrade transit like in the past with good connectivity to rail stations, though wish they used Tampa Union but any rail is good rail
Tampa union wouldn’t match the brightline brand all of there stations are modern
I guess a brightline park'n'ride or discount on rideshare is okay compromise. Ugh
Even better: a brightline jeepney shuttle service
@@cristianMoon24 I mean Brightline is more so owning their own land for and around the station for money, which is mostly where their revenue comes from. It’s not like they could mix historical and modern elements, European upgrades have them too.
@@hobog I mean it somewhat close to the TECO streetcar but not really that feasible yet
Dismissing buses is dumb.
We've been waiting for this for 40 years. First time they ever brought it up back then. This will be the biggest money maker for Brightline...
Just took the train in Spain. 300 mile trip in just over an hour. That would be like Phoenix to LA in an hour and a half. Quicker than flying.
It would be nice to see the expansion, but also we also need to see the number of points where level crossings are involved reduced
That's the main issue w HSR. Systems like the Japanese Shinkansen obviously have no highway-rail grade crossings, and it's one of the major factors for their saftey record.
Not sure if you have read up on Texas Centrals' HSR between Dallas Fort Worth and Houston, but they're copying the Shinkansen system and buying all their equipment from them as well.
Why re-invent the wheel everytime someone wants HSR, just use what works.
Here in the states there's a different design, different train set in every corner it seems. I've always thought that this is the reason none of it ever caught on, no standards and very expensive because of it.
Let's hope Texas Central completes this rail, they've had to battle every government agency along the way. If successful I can see it expanding throughout Texas, then other areas copying it. Has to start somewhere.
If only Republicans would be supportive of passenger rail in Congress.
@JoesAviationJunk Boston’s public transit system is great. Every system has its flaws, but at the end of the day, Boston’s system gets everyone where they need to go. Boston finally has a competent person leading the agency, and they’re finally addressing deferred maintenance. Boston has a wholistic system which includes buses, subways, commuter rail, and long distance (Amtrak). Brightline is more akin to Amtrak than a commuter rail system like NJ Transit or the MBTA. I would genuinely love to see Brightline’s connected cities build out public transit systems like subways, light rail, and buses!
The bill was approved by a republican lol
@@adamclabaugh1945 Well yeah the Florida bill was approved by a Republican. He’s saying that it would be nice to see Republicans support rail at a national level (Congress)
@@adamclabaugh1945that’s all the republicans in congress ? NO
The tax payer shouldn't have to pay for projects like this. Brightline is a for profit private company. They have money, let private funds pay for it. The state should only help with securing rights of way.
Brightline to Atlanta next!
High speed rail doesnt really work outside of the too long to drive to short to fly sweet spot (3-5hr by car, 30 min-1hr and 30 min by plane)
And yet, Europe and Japan use it very well for just about that distance. Atlanta would be a very good route to expand to, and so too would Jacksonville and Savannah.@@MattyAviation
@@MattyAviationexcept the cities they connect. With minor exceptions, air service doesn’t run milk runs any more.
Cities like Valdosta or Waycross, and Macon would regain rail service. Waycross doesn’t have air service, Valdosta only gets you to Atlanta, and Macon inexplicably only serves Baltimore.
If nothing else, Macon’s service to Atlanta would sell that part of the line.
@@jaysmith1408 I think we'll see Atlanta > Macon > Savannah > Jacksonville as the first new route between Georgia and Florida.
@@MattyAviation I mean it works from Boston to DC, the Acela is always full.
Real commuter train travel is FINALLY coming to Florida and its exciting. I love the idea of what Amtrak already offers but I don't like how slow the journey currently is to ride. Now if only any train service could provide a route to Key West again like in the olden days.
This is NOT a commuter train. a commuter train implies that it is within the same metro area. This is an INTERCITY train.
Commuter trains are smaller. Think of NYC Subway, DC Metro, etc.
Brightline would be a good idea, in my opinion. 👍
About time this superb service is expanded to other cities in Florida.
Tampa needs a metro rail system in St Petersburg and Tampa and Brandon. This should have been done decades ago . Bright line will be good though.
Please, we need this desperately
More trains! Many Americans don’t wanna drive or fly. And some CAN’T drive. Give bad drivers alternatives to get around.
You’re right. There’s some people that don’t have peripheral vision, but still drive, there’s some people that take medicines and shouldn’t be driving, there’s some people like me that get too stressed on the toll road and welcome the train, or there’s just some train fans and there’s some people from England that are used to driving left side of the road that would rather take the train after Disney to go take their cruise.
And there’s some business people that are taking the train, I saw them, and even some younger people are taking the train with their laptops
Stupid zoning laws make density and walkable cities illegal here
0:39 She explained a train like nobody has ever done something like it before haha
High speed or not, the greater benefit would be the ability to maintain 125 mph during the majority of the distance. Even better, avoid level street crossings for safety which should be the case if the rail right-of-way is located along a divided highway. I hope this comes to reality for the people in Florida.
I would love a Tampa, Orlando, Cape Canaveral connection. Between cruise ships, sports, theme parks, and the space industry I think it would be very successful.
You don't build trains for tourists. You build for daily life, work, hospitals, schools, clinics, shopping, n 20 minute walking distance from bus or rail stops to homes in metro areas.
Rails are expensive, if you don't build for everyone, it's waste of money.
If you do not have good public transportation, it's useless
@@commentorsilensor3734 True, but if 10% of your economy is based on tourism then it's something to take into account.
This is a fantastic change, although funny how the state is prioritizing recouperating the first of building the infrastructure from selling the lease on the trail corridor when the state had never recouperated any of the costs of non-toll freeways built. Still have a ways to go to wake up to the mass subsidy of cars but this is definitely a step in the right direction.
Plus!!! Old folks ♥️ trains!🚂
Old folks have been the sole opponents of HSR. Both Texan and Floridian lines have had Boomers suing to try and stop them.
Title of the video was a little misleading. By saying the bill "takes aim" I thought that meant "tries to prevent" not that the goal of the bill Brightline expansion. Either way, I'm all for expanding passenger rail. Expand it all over the state!
I was confused as well, either way I see Bright line as a win. Even if it is a private company
I can't wait until Brightline is finally in Tampa !! It will be nice to go to Orlando and then Ft. Lauderdale and Miami. Hate the long drive to Miami and even Ft. Lauderdale. Traffic stinks !
I’ve been hoping for a passenger rail in FL since I was 15 it seems it’s finally happening. I was upset when in ‘09 the Federal government offered to pay for one in FL but State Gov refused.
Brightline and the powers that be in Florida’s government should look at improving the infrastructure so that the trains can run at true high speeds (at least 124 mph but preferably 155+ mph)
i really hope that the brightline being the first big rail project is a catalyst for more to come
As a Puerto Rican, I can only hope that this train boom reaches the colony as well. It’s shameful that we still only have 1 metro line and no type of passenger train around the island(s).
Puerto Rico has much more corruption than the continental US
You should support politicians who want statehood.
Maybe if your politicians weren't so corrupt in Puerto Rico you could have something like that.
Yupp we need state politicians that aren’t corrupt and a federal government that actually cares about its colonies.
Currently planning a visit to family in the Villages and an internet friend in Zephyrhills, it would be nice not to have to rent a car to do both.
Let's not forget FL could have been had high speed rail if a previous governor didn't deny federal funds. Politics over quality of life.
Amen.
Like California?
@@DerekWhite-yx2ce Except the report showed Tampa-Orlando would actually make a profit. Of course, the governor killed the project before the report came out. Its not like he saved the US money - the funds simply went to other projects.
None of the states that took the federal funds have high speed rail though. Florida is at least getting something done. They're leading the country at this.
@@ISpitHotFiyaa: I think at least some of those other states already have regional rail, though I’m sure Brightline offers a much better customer experience. But it’s good for FL to get its own regional line now, be it at conventional or high-performance speeds.
Really happy to see that a government even at this level is not only so open and interested in HSR but is pushing to get it implemented and back it financially. This is needed all over the country (the continent even), it’ll be great in so many ways Ntm induced demand on the highway won’t be as much of an issue.
Bucs game and Rays game by train is a pipe dream the media is telling you. Brightline is planning at best, a train to Ybor City ending about where the Amtrak station is there. You would have to take a cab, car, or bus to go see the Bucs or Rays. No way will they make the train go to Tampa Stadium in Tampa or even worse, across the bay to St. Pete where the Rays play. Never will happen Still, it could help alleviate traffic on I-4.
Your title uses the phrase "takes aim at" which implies the bill is attempting to stop the rail expansion. In fact, the bill supports the expansion.
A better title would be "Bill supports Brightline expansion to Tampa."
My dad is a pilot sometimes I had to pick him up from Orlando airport. I hate it
Just make sure the station is actually in the city, not way out of the way like the Orlando airport!
Why not light rails?
It’s good to see that the USA is now taking passenger rail services seriously but, speaking as someone who lives in Europe, why make booking and using those services so involved? Here we can just turn up and go, without having to drop baggage off or, in many cases, even having to reserve seats.
Because of 9/11, America now takes security extremely seriously. More so than most other countries.
Florida you all are beating us out west in California. Congrats
America, better 60 years late than never.
It’s funny how some people call Brightline high-speed rail. These people must have no clue of what high-speed rail actually is.
Yes!
Connecting Tampa is connecting Western FL to Eastern FL. We badly need an alternative to cars clogging the roads. Imagine a light rail running from Pensacola to Ft. Meyers!
It will be absolutely amazing to get from Tampa to Miami via high speed rail. It will change FL
I just rode from Orlando to Miami. You can get to the tracks without a ticket meaning no homeless folks like the buses
I saw a people mover
HIGH SPEED TRAIN, JAPAN, EUROPE, CHINA BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES NO ACCIDENTS. . . . SAFE MODE OF TRANSPORT
St. Pete, Sarasota, Ocala, Tallahassee, as well Tampa. I could see round-the-clock service for the I-4 corridor.
Dew it. Trains are good
gotta say, that is an eye-catching video title. here I was thinking that "taking aim" was a bad thing. but wow, lawmakers doing a sensible thing.
good on them, pat-pat-pat. now keep it coming.
Finally. And then Jacksonville next!
Brightline should take over all Amtrak in Florida
Bright line gets a lot of construction funds from goverment.
It's about time 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
I live in Ohio but this is amazing I love rail and I love seeing a comeback
I have always been mind-boggled that you can't take a train from Daytona to Tampa. Sounds like it might be coming closer. At least now they solved a day trip to Miami and now Tampa:):):)
…”Move people instead of vehicles.” Bravo.
That’s called “transportation engineering,” which is vastly different from “traffic engineering.”
Funny, now, in order to get it the last like what, 80 miles, they now need federal money? Huh, I thought the whole great thing about Brightline was that it was 100% privately financed. Don't get me wrong, I like Brightline, I just find the irony amusing.
Hey building railroads are expensive, but great reward
Well… it’s complicated. Either way it will hopefully bring many benefits to Florida communities, state financed or not
The US finally reflecting on the consequences of a car-centric mentality and finding out about the benefits of rail travel. It was about time...
Ikr?? It was so thoughtless of them to uproot all the rails to begin with
I'm surprised that Brightline has marketed themselves as an alternative too driving the I-4 corridor. I'm willing to bet if they said something to the degree of "I-4 but w/o the traffic" they'd get way more enthusiasm!
I admit it. When I saw "Bill takes aim at" I assumed the worst. I was pleasantly surprised that the "aim" in this case was positive.
I was like "Who is Bill?"
Why is the Brightline station at MCO and not in downtown Orlando?
probably because dotown Orlando already has multiple stations. The idea is that Sunrail will eventually connect to the airport.
They just have to come up with a reasonable, cost-effective path between Orlando and Tampa to run the track. And not try to charge Brightline for the loss of toll revenue. Those are the two main sticking points holding it up right now. Politics.
To reduce traffic, why can't people propose that you don't need car like the one in New York or SF in Miami or Orlando public transportation . Oh wait train lovers love to congest the traffic by driving to train stations. When they arrive, they congest traffic by renting cars or taking taxi.
That is not how public transportation, trains bullet or not for.
If train as public transportation cannot help non car drivers, its useless.
Brightline keeps mentioning its making money. Use the construction cost divide by current fares, it doesn't add up. The ad in the trains will not help. The stations restaurants will not help due to terrible connections n low ridership. I bet the profit include the subsidize, the bond, investment, etc.
Oh, don't bring that low anuual expect 4 million ridership.
For example, Taiwan HSR current ridership 4.8 million A MONTH. It still loses money, but at least it helps Taiwanese.
This lack of public transportation in each major city n small cities will not generate that high ridership. Most likely government will take over. The sad part the people who have option to drive on the freeway will eat the budgets of local public transportation. The train lover aka car drivers will do anything they could to keep this live. Florida is a red state. I will not be surprised that Florida will cut essential lousy bus services to support this train to nowhere. Yes train to parking lots is to nowhere.
Want to argue, go to Japam your favor bullet trains country, car interface train is a major joke.
It’s literally illegal to build walkable cities so laugh at density laws, not public transit. This is a win for transportation, even if it won’t help traffic it brings other benefits to Florida communities. The low ridership will hopefully fix itself once it gets better coverage and as time goes on. Comparing America to Europe and Japan means noting because zoning laws forbid city planners from making walkable cities with mixed use zoning. To fix the issues with brightline you first have to uproot all of the atrocious laws that cater to cars.
Preserving a 40-ft wide railroad right-of-way or easement is nice, but that is not enough space to retrain a derailed train. There are probably train crash walls required. Train crash walls are typically a mimic of six foot high and heavily reinforced. Having a 125 mph or any train regardless of speed derailing and going sideways across a busy fully loaded interstate is a foreseeable situation that could happen without a 100-ft standard railroad corridor(wider is likely called for) or crash wall restraint.
Why was not expanding/upgrading the existing Amtrak service between Tampa and Orlando considered?
Amtrak is federally owned and brightline is privately owned
@abdullahakhtar9824 understood. What I want to see more of is true cooperation of the public and private sector for these kinds of projects. My understanding is that in other countries, the government plays a major role in funding these projects. I am sure there are capable people who can deliver these projects within acceptable parameters across the multiple organizations that need to be involved.
Amtrak is federally funded and runs on privately owned rail lines. The freight service is what pays the bills for the rail line.
@@soxlearning private sector could probably be better suited for local levels and public sector would probably work the best for national level. IMO private companies provide the best service so I am biased towards private sector
Not from America but could Amtrak run on the brightline tracks if built?
I really hope the Tampa extension doesn't terminate AT I-75 like shown on the map. Talk about '"close, but no cigar"!
“Concentrating on moving people rather than moving vehicles” - what a novel idea! 🤦♂️
It’s easier said than done with tons of american laws making super high density buildings and walkable communities illegal
Why do private companies need so much tax socialism? The government should just build public owned transit.
@@pin65371in a perfect world, sadly thats easier said than done with republicans not wanting their taxpayer money going into anything but border security and highways
@@pin65371 I think that is what they did in Europe. Goverment owns the rail and many private company run the trains.
i need to be able to go from orlando to sarasota in 3 hours by train
This is exciting
there are already freight tracks between orlando and tampa. they can just use those today if they don’t plan on supporting hsr. the i4 line will be new and should be real hsr. its stupid and pointless to make it not go at least 150 mph from the beginning
If will allow you to get close to ALL of Florida cruise ports.
It won’t reduce traffic if brightline charges 80 minimum one way. It may be great for tourism but they are not marketing to the locals.
They have sales for 30 dollar tickets
Clickbait title. I thought they were talking about getting rid of it
What a novel idea! Why has no country on earth thought of this before?
Because planes exist
@@DerekWhite-yx2ce Cars* if you're American.
Zoning and density laws make walkable cities illegal here in America which is why stuff like this takes tons of effort and bureaucracy
please do so, traffic sucks
you know this isnt really high-speed rail right the highest it gets up to is 120 which is the amtrak northeast regional and thats not high-speed rail. amtrak Acelia is somewhat high-speed rail going 165 but even that isnt really high-speed rail due to all the slow downs. what brightline is just a commuter rail that owns its own tracks so there is no delays or slow downs due to traffic on the line.
That's true, but the corridor can still be upgraded to high speed rail after it opens. Especially if Brightline orders true high speed trains.
Brightline is not a commuter rail. Commuter rail operates within a metro area, or close to one.
@@Blaze6432 explain metro north then that goes almost 2 hours away from NYC. also my point was its not high speed 80 to 120 isnt high speed and brightline really only goes to 3 cities the orlando run is like a special train and im sure you prob have to buy a special ticket for it. im pretty sure they dont just do a straight run from orlando to Miami because going to Orlando is only 1 set of rails so you cant have back and forth traffic unless its a special line that goes there. anyways my point is that it only does 120 which is not highspeed its the same as northeast regional going from boston to DC and that isnt highspeed at all.
It’s funny how they call Brightline high speed rail.
Brightline in not high speed in the truse but higher speed rail.
With those prices?😂
The hurdle is where to build the rail between Orlando airport station and I-4 to then get it to Tampa. Orlando politics and the theme parks looking out for their best interests are what's keeping this from ever happening.
Universal donated land from their Epic Universe expansion across from the OCCC to Brightline for a station. They have a ton of people on the committee to get the extension from MCO to OCCC built. Disney is the one picking up the ball and going home because they didn't get what they wanted from Brightline (paying Disney for the land and paying 100% of the costs for the project).
Maybe convert the rail to actual high-speed rail cause currently it isn’t. Wonder how costly that would be.
That’s something it can be upgraded to in the future. If brightline west works out, they’ll have a good template
the existing lines from NEC where upgraded to high speed rail. Upgraded existing lines that can go at least 200 km/h count as high speed rail.
Very costly, there are over a hundred grade crossings of the Brightline tracks
There are none from KMCO to Daytona and it is very much new and highspeed rail. It drops to 80mph on the main line on the east coast near. Regardless it is still highspeed rail, and to make it completely crossing less would be astronomical because they exciting rail still has to be able to be used.@@edwardmiessner6502
That would cost billions. Electrifying the rails, getting rid of all road crossings, building sound barriers, doubling the rail
Who is Bill? why does he have such a vengeance against a train?
All in for better train service (although brightline is not really high speed) but why is that is has to be funded by taxpayer money? FDOT will cover the costs and brightline keeps the profits? Really?
I’m pretty sure brightline has to pay the money back at some point. Not an expert on this though so you’d have to double check me
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Recover costs in the lease agrement.
That being said, How does the goverment recover the costs of new highways?
@@catprog the lease agreement will mean Brightline is getting a super cheap credit line. Must be nice when you don't have to go thru financial institutions and instead ask for cheap money from the federal government (and then comes the double dipping when they ask for money for safety improvements like they already did in the Miami Orlando segment)
im happy for the new transit and stuff, but "tampaleers" is so funny to me
Since the end of WW2, this country has been strangled by economically unsustainable and inefficient suburbanization and car-dependence. Both intercity and intracity passenger rail can reverse that and maybe as more Americans use Brightline and experience first-hand the numerous benefits of picking a train over a car, more Americans will see rail travel as a first choice mode of travel, not as a last resort.
Technically brightline isn’t a true high speed rail
This is literally common sense to do this.. like just do it lmao.
Bad title
Poor headline. Sounds like the bill is attacking Brightline. Basic English.
For the love of all that is good, do not let the government take control of this
You're a fool. The deregulation of the airlines is the worst thing that ever happened to travel. Having the government regulate this is way better to keep costs under control.
And why is that ?
If you fear that car and oil industry will corrupt officials to sabotage the effort then... Yeah understandable
It's not highspeed so stop calling it that
The upcoming Orlando-Tampa via I-4 route can and will be classified as high speed. It isn't like the Miami-Orlando route as this one does have a chance climbing to ~150 mph. "or upgraded lines in excess of 200 km/h (124 mph) are widely considered to be high-speed." Electrification could even play a part some day.
@@mocha_.So it's gonna be a 150 mph diesel train? Or for sure electric?
@@ishaqmo7200it’d most likely just be the current trains. But in the future, could be upgraded to the trains brightline west will use.
@@tylerkriesel8590 Brightline west is a joke...
No, you're the joke here that keeps moving the goal posts. It is classified as highspeed rail, and Briteline announced 9months ago that they would electrify the system. A basic Google search would have told you that so you didn't look so foolish.@@bernardschmitt6389
Amtrak should buy Brightline. Amtrak shouldn't need to make a profit, as it is a public good, Brightline snatching up these routes will only serve to kneecap Amtrak from expanding service and making it's existing services better. But making a profit would be a nice aside. This potential extension will likely go into the median of I-4 and being in the median of another highway for a little bit, but where would the station go? In the middle of I-4. away from Downtown? Plus, calling this high-speed rail is disingenuous, the speed this train will reach is better classified as higher-speed rail
And again, there is already a route connecting downtown Orlando to downtown Tampa, so now Brightline is turning this into a catfight. What use is the Brightline extension to Orlando if it can't also take you to Downtown Orlando? There's unlikely to be any connection between Orlando and Tampa to Amtrak, unless Brightline uses Union Station in Tampa, so there's always gonna be that gap that will never be filled unless Amtrak connects up their line to the line to the airport
@@PhilliesNostalgia There is sun rail train that connects in the future to the airport for Brightline is.
Brightline tickets cost too much to make it practical to just go from Orlando to Tampa for an event that only lasts a few hours.
Prices will come down in time as ridership goes up. It costs money to run those trains and they aren't doing it for free. Once it expands and actually goes to places people want to go, it'll be cheaper. Tampa/Orlando is nowhere near as far as Orlando/Miami, so the ridership will go up quite a bit when that happens, plus people can then fly into KTPA and take the train to Orlando instead of paying the huge ticket prices to fly into KMCO.
Prices have already came down for their current service.
Most people wouldn't be buying a train ticket from Orlando to Tampa just "for an event that only lasts a few hours". Good lord you anti-rail people always use the most ridiculous hyper-specific scenarios in your arguments against rail travel.
@@Ugh-Fudge_Bwana I'm not anti rail. But Brightline likes to brag that it's privately funded, but then they keep applying for TAXPAYER MONEY!! If its funded by taxpayers tickets shouldn't cost $100.
@fuckshoestheclown I don't know if you were referring to the main person who commented but actually I am all for Brightline. Plus, the prices really did go down recently making it more accessible for people. At its current price, I would buy it. You do make a great point though, I wouldn't buy it for just a small event unless it is significantly lower, but at its current price, I would spend a weekend.
It’s not high speed rail 😂😂
It technically is on the Orlando to Miami route
My girlfriend likes to ride the train and I'm going to tampa with her
Dating a hobo chick?
"Tra-VERSE", not "Travers"
Talking head has enunciation issues
brightline is not high speed rail by any stretch of the imagination
That is where you are wrong kiddo.
@@ImpendingJokerNo he kinda isn’t. The bare minimum standard for high speed rail is 200kph, 125mph. Which isn’t even considered high speed in many countries. Brightline is set to do that for a very small part of its route.
@@simondahl5437 So basically Brightline is HSR by a minimal standard. So it is indeed HSR.
@@Blaze6432 I’m sure there are different standards for how to measure. But, as it does reach 125 mph, yes.
Yes, we know already, people have been saying that all the time so tell us something new