I think Wing is the reason why we need more showcase thing in GBB, we want to hear him longer than that and also hear him in a different context that a battle !
@@ecciq I mean I'm not sure this is "the problem" here. Just think that GBB needs to organize their events like it was back in the mid 2010s. With GBB Camp, GBB Fantasy Battle and more. I'm following the beatbox scene since 15 years and I can assure assure you that there is way more content nowadays 😁
Nah bro, wings was boring as fuck I listen to it that one time and that was it I mean half of his first round was just a repeated one note with a few variations of clicks and you sounded just like the didgeridoo guy who blew up in the early 2000s. I just learned about kaji from this and I can't get enough of him
Wing makes peanut butter and jelly he might be really good at making peanut butter and jelly but it's still just fucking peanut butter and jelly nothing special about it, kaji is doing shit that I didn't even know was humanly possible
on video it's Wing for me, and it's not even a question. But this is one of the battles where the live experience was drastically different from video. Kaji was just riding his momentum wave all the way through. The difference in energy was much much bigger live (and in the stream). The video really takes that away Kaji doing the intro to Wing's old routine with that much cleanliness after powering through for a drop, was also really impressive. And it would score a battle point imo
I must say, I am so grateful for highly professional bewtboxers Like you, dear Stitch, who explain the difference of live and online appear so different. I would also das Wing would have won. But I guess one should've been there. 😁👍 Thank you for your reaction and your explaining! Love Beatbox and music! Help each other and stay healthy! 🙏
One note about the live vs recorded aspect. Judges have headphones, I think that is to make them able to spot mistakes... If they don't use them that's a big problem.
If they were there just a critique form I don't think they would have it in a battle setup. Maybe just maybe not everything is about form maybe it's about how you can perform
@someweirdguy5721 I dunno, but from what I'm seeing, judges are looking for power and impact more than they are looking for musicality and style... Which is not what I personally wish they would do.
It's not the video's audio that didn't do justice, it's the venue's live audio which didn't do justice to some beatboxers. During live performance the beatboxers who have more power in their beats end up winning. This is a very good example. Remix vs Abo Ice was also kind of not fair but it was close enough.
I think what Kaji did is the definitely new and unique cuz mostly in beatbox you rarely see a person do harder genre like Hardstyle, Rawstyle or Uptempo. Sure it's not as clean since the human lungs has limit but its amazing to me who listen to harder genre.
I think it depended on where you were standing live because near the back of the venue you could hear more of kaji’s mistakes because the sound system wasn’t getting as blown out back there but that’s just my opinion
I do appreciate the power and energy of Kaji, no doubt. Also the hard kicks were wild and trippy, but for me the problem is that it was a little too random and unclean. I enjoyed both of Wings rounds more than both of Kajis rounds. Tough stuff, can imagine though, that live, the energy of Kajis rounds was just causing more of a rush in the audience.
i posted a similar comment elsewhere, but being in the live audience, it just felt like wing, while being incredible, just made a strategic mistake in the battle. kaji was so overwhelming and wing taking his time with his beats wasn't matching the energy. felt like he was doing a showcase while kaji came to battle.
I feel like to battle wing you either have to do full blown your own style with impact or be able to do a groove like wing but better (which is very tough) Kaji is very unique and powerful and I kinda understand how he won, also to each their own but Kaji's style goes much harder for a battle lol (love wing though) I do find these opposite style battles quite entertaining though
I feel like if wing brought more battle energy it would be better since his rounds are more showcase or song material rather than battle? I just feel like Kaji battled and wing like sang a song.
Watching the BBXShorts videos it's clear kaji and julard were blowing the roof off the building, idk how that's not worth winning.. If you illicit a visceral emotional reaction out of a live crowd you should be rewarded. Does that favor louder/heavier guys? Sure, who cares, that's fun as hell! Wings beats are some of my fav tho, the genre's he brought to GBB this year are some of my fav genres to listen to of regular music so it's tough that he didn't win.
For me, it was like hardcore vs. lo-fi personifications of electronic music in the form of these guys :). Both are insane and could go either way. It was just great. My take is that Wing lost the second round a little because he lowered the energy after Kaji's round and stayed there for too long. The final drop was too late for me.
WING won the 1st round by a large margin, but KAJI won the 2nd round by a large margin, and that win was superior to WING's 1st round, which is why KAJI won. I think WING made a strategic mistake in battling KAJI. It seemed like KAJI's rough THE POWER bounced off his delicate and beautiful attacks. I think he could have gone for more beauty. On the contrary, he used KAJI's power as a swing to highlight his own beauty. The venue may have been a little favorable for power-type moves. But in this tournament, I think that professionals have to adapt and deal with it, so I don't think you can blame the acoustics of the venue. This tournament is an online tournament and a tournament where the quality of the video is what matters, so no matter how much you win on video, it doesn't mean anything in this tournament.
Mad boring it was like the same repeated tone with a few extra clicks every now and then, he literally stole his intro from the didgeridoo guy from the early 2000s
@someweirdguy5721 bruhhh I understand this might be your opinion but just because you can't enjoy it coz u think it's boring to you you can't just say that it's boring and not very impressive
I hear what you're saying about the live difference, but I still think Wing wins on video replay. Also, is Wing the most improved beatboxer in the world in the last year or two? He is seriously making a name for himself.
It's interesting because I was there live and to me the difference in clarity was stark just like in the video. It's close no matter what but I gave it to Wing and I think a little more than 1% of the crowd did as well 😅
@@poppinfresh1010 like I said, there's a 99% chance u would vote for Kaji. Maybe I exaggerated the 99% but uk what I mean. Only a small percent would have voted for wing
@@poppinfresh1010 i mean i felt the opposite kaji sounded like he got it 100% after his second round if wing changed his second piece on the elim with his second round he would’ve took it because at least he provided a battle round but he didn’t so
@@a1j_1 that's fair. I agree that kaji won the second round. For me though Wing's first round was just mindblowing. Making a beat that slow and simple sound that good and fresh is insane and coupled with the structure it was pure artistry imo.
hey Stitch, when are you going to do a new polyphonic voice tutorial? I was able to do the sound watching your tutorial but I haven't done it in some time and can't do it anymore😥
(IMO) Even in the video Kaji wins. His round 2 was so much better than Wing's round 2. Wing's round 2 was sonically sparse (0 kicks to speak of, an entire minute of 0 bass) and only starts to get good when he has 5 seconds left. Bad battle round. Would have been a great Elimination, but it took too long to get going for a battle round. Wing's first round was sick as hell though!! 12:49 Epos sounds like this when he does solo beatbox. ;) Epos and Kaji are the only beatboxers I know who do Gabber/Hardcore beatbox.
I understand that it would have sounded very different live. But isn't that the reason the judges have headphones?! Perhaps they should have kept them on. Their job, as I understand it, is to judge the beatbox and part of the criteria is cleanliness, right? So they have the headphones for that. Kaji was insane but if we were to accept that power and speed can just cover up cleanliness, then if a beatboxer wants to win, they would be forced to adopt that style and that is gonna turn boring. The diversity of different styles is part of what makes beatbox so interesting and such an art and I believe also why the ruleset factors in other things that are not just raw power or speed. So the argument "it sounded different live" kinda stands on shaky legs for me cuz of the headphones thing :/
The judges have NEVER used headphones in any live battle before! The only reason why they had headphones this time was because the sound was really bad. It was so bad to the point where you couldn't hear a lot of details and it would actually hurt your ears as you listened. That's why they have headphones, because the sound system was bad. In a battle with decent sound, the judges wouldn't need headphones and they would be able to hear everything
@@stitch_mus1c So, if I understood you correctly, then there is no reason as to why they would have missed kajis mistakes and noticed wings cleanliness, right?
@freerider3434 even if they have headphones, it wouldn't help much because of how loud the sound system was. Trust me, u would understand if you were there live
@@stitch_mus1c Ah, did you wear those headphones as well? I figured they would have had closed-back headphones, everything else wouldn't make sense for the purpose. But you can often see the judges leaving one ear open, that doesn't help much either I guess.
Kaji sounded sloppy and he made mistakes. The judges had headphones no excuse for not noticing mistakes. They set up for bass performers. I blame the sounds system.
I think GBB is becoming quite linear: all you need is energy and power, leaving other competitors who prioritise cleanliness and musicality with not much chance. I know it's a battle format but I think the weightings of the criteria are not far and I think other competitors like you Stitch deserve much more credit and btter rankings.
@ because the battle scene is where the heart of the beatbox community is at and also allows people to gain great publicity. I don’t not like high energy battles but I just think either judges should be more accepting of more musical styles, or, GBB creates some kind of additional showcase category where power is not the focus.
@justpotatoes411 well this kind of battle format has to exist somewhere it exists here. Fair argument on maybe they should have a different category for showcasing but also the internet is a massive platform kaji releases just straight up music tracks and it's really good no reason anyone else can't do that. I mean wing got his notariety here everyone's talking about him. But also like stitch said in the videos being there live was a completely different experience and no matter what that's what it's always going to come down to what it feels like being there.
@ Ok yes he was very musical but if you look through a lot of people’s analyses, it was his heavy more technical 2nd rounds that they favoured. And even within the musical rounds, it was the second more technical drop that got the points. But I’m mostly talking about this GBB, especially with the bass-heavy sound system.
Come to think of it, you ask why u didn't go to next round? Because u sound not powerful and u just do a song just like wing did this round, wing is great beatboxer but it's not just powerful.
@@budzsakuragi3962 not really, I asked everyone about my loudness and they said I was loud. I wasn't as loud as julard but I was still loud enough. Plus Julard got 7th place in elims so I'm assuming loudness isn't the only thing that matters. Also, you can't compare a battle format with elim format 😂 also, wing didn't lose here because of power
Kaji 2nd Round is Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound TIme What its the point... its bad its rly bad
The first round where it was just repeating that one singular tone with extra clicks added in Miss me with that lame shit you literally sounded just like the didgeridoo guy who blew up in 2010 I've seen his act a million times without actually watching him
How can people hear the mistakes and the lack of pitch? There is only one thing I know. The sound they make is not the sound a human being can make. Ha ha ha!
I think Wing is the reason why we need more showcase thing in GBB, we want to hear him longer than that and also hear him in a different context that a battle !
There is alot of ways he could show his routines. Beatbox just has a lack of people making content.
@@ecciq I mean I'm not sure this is "the problem" here. Just think that GBB needs to organize their events like it was back in the mid 2010s. With GBB Camp, GBB Fantasy Battle and more. I'm following the beatbox scene since 15 years and I can assure assure you that there is way more content nowadays 😁
Wait does he not just release his own music?
Honestly it's his fault for joining a battle then it's not like he was forced to be there
@ there’s no fault or whatever 😅
"Yo wing..Why you too chill"🔥
-Some powerful beatboxer
5:23 Stitch “now loading...”
Power, loudness, flash factor and stage presence = Kaji. Structure, flow, timing, cleanliness, melody and replay factor = WING
Nah bro, wings was boring as fuck I listen to it that one time and that was it I mean half of his first round was just a repeated one note with a few variations of clicks and you sounded just like the didgeridoo guy who blew up in the early 2000s. I just learned about kaji from this and I can't get enough of him
💯
wing style just hits different, so sad that wing is not able to enter to the future battle...
Why?
bro it ended ages ago xd
bro will just casually make another number 1 wildcard
Wing makes peanut butter and jelly he might be really good at making peanut butter and jelly but it's still just fucking peanut butter and jelly nothing special about it, kaji is doing shit that I didn't even know was humanly possible
I agree, Kaji's 2nd round was one of the best perfornances ive ever seen
on video it's Wing for me, and it's not even a question. But this is one of the battles where the live experience was drastically different from video. Kaji was just riding his momentum wave all the way through. The difference in energy was much much bigger live (and in the stream). The video really takes that away
Kaji doing the intro to Wing's old routine with that much cleanliness after powering through for a drop, was also really impressive. And it would score a battle point imo
I must say, I am so grateful for highly professional bewtboxers Like you, dear Stitch, who explain the difference of live and online appear so different. I would also das Wing would have won. But I guess one should've been there. 😁👍
Thank you for your reaction and your explaining!
Love Beatbox and music!
Help each other and stay healthy! 🙏
One note about the live vs recorded aspect. Judges have headphones, I think that is to make them able to spot mistakes... If they don't use them that's a big problem.
If they were there just a critique form I don't think they would have it in a battle setup. Maybe just maybe not everything is about form maybe it's about how you can perform
@someweirdguy5721 I dunno, but from what I'm seeing, judges are looking for power and impact more than they are looking for musicality and style... Which is not what I personally wish they would do.
@@Akusen_Arcade so what you're saying is you're not looking for a battle format. That's fine just say that.
It's not the video's audio that didn't do justice, it's the venue's live audio which didn't do justice to some beatboxers. During live performance the beatboxers who have more power in their beats end up winning. This is a very good example. Remix vs Abo Ice was also kind of not fair but it was close enough.
Nah dawg remix vs abo ice was anything but close
I think what Kaji did is the definitely new and unique cuz mostly in beatbox you rarely see a person do harder genre like Hardstyle, Rawstyle or Uptempo. Sure it's not as clean since the human lungs has limit but its amazing to me who listen to harder genre.
Bro I've been subscribed not too long, since I met you you became my favorite beatboxer 🔥
@@_zeta_blox thank you!
I think it depended on where you were standing live because near the back of the venue you could hear more of kaji’s mistakes because the sound system wasn’t getting as blown out back there but that’s just my opinion
4:29,........ That hollow click 🤯
Wing has the cleanest drum sounds of anyone
I do appreciate the power and energy of Kaji, no doubt. Also the hard kicks were wild and trippy, but for me the problem is that it was a little too random and unclean. I enjoyed both of Wings rounds more than both of Kajis rounds. Tough stuff, can imagine though, that live, the energy of Kajis rounds was just causing more of a rush in the audience.
Also Wing just oozes swagger in his routines
Can you make a studio version of your elim ? It is so good !
up
for me the wing was still the best
Stitchyyyyy boi your performance is my fav
The most original set I have seen this gbb
This battle feels like the finals. I Love WING so much
i posted a similar comment elsewhere, but being in the live audience, it just felt like wing, while being incredible, just made a strategic mistake in the battle. kaji was so overwhelming and wing taking his time with his beats wasn't matching the energy. felt like he was doing a showcase while kaji came to battle.
this! Wing should go more ham in the second round
I’m hoping for a Stitch vs Wing battle in the future
5:22 Stitch has timed out lmfao
Dlowが言ってたけどwinggは簡単なビートなのに難しくって複雑でKAJIは複雑で難しいwinggの複雑性と基礎音がエグいっす🔥
I feel like to battle wing you either have to do full blown your own style with impact or be able to do a groove like wing but better (which is very tough)
Kaji is very unique and powerful and I kinda understand how he won, also to each their own but Kaji's style goes much harder for a battle lol (love wing though)
I do find these opposite style battles quite entertaining though
I feel like if wing brought more battle energy it would be better since his rounds are more showcase or song material rather than battle? I just feel like Kaji battled and wing like sang a song.
You know kaji releases entire songs right and they're fucking bangers
I'm so agree with your opinion.
And,I also thought kaji and yaswede were sama type.HARDSTYLE !!!
Kaji is trending rn in r/hardstyle sub reddit because of his performance
Watching the BBXShorts videos it's clear kaji and julard were blowing the roof off the building, idk how that's not worth winning.. If you illicit a visceral emotional reaction out of a live crowd you should be rewarded. Does that favor louder/heavier guys? Sure, who cares, that's fun as hell! Wings beats are some of my fav tho, the genre's he brought to GBB this year are some of my fav genres to listen to of regular music so it's tough that he didn't win.
For me, it was like hardcore vs. lo-fi personifications of electronic music in the form of these guys :). Both are insane and could go either way. It was just great. My take is that Wing lost the second round a little because he lowered the energy after Kaji's round and stayed there for too long. The final drop was too late for me.
WING won the 1st round by a large margin, but KAJI won the 2nd round by a large margin, and that win was superior to WING's 1st round, which is why KAJI won. I think WING made a strategic mistake in battling KAJI. It seemed like KAJI's rough THE POWER bounced off his delicate and beautiful attacks. I think he could have gone for more beauty. On the contrary, he used KAJI's power as a swing to highlight his own beauty.
The venue may have been a little favorable for power-type moves.
But in this tournament, I think that professionals have to adapt and deal with it, so I don't think you can blame the acoustics of the venue.
This tournament is an online tournament and a tournament where the quality of the video is what matters, so no matter how much you win on video, it doesn't mean anything in this tournament.
nah wing's 1st round was mad
Mad boring it was like the same repeated tone with a few extra clicks every now and then, he literally stole his intro from the didgeridoo guy from the early 2000s
@@someweirdguy5721 I mean end of the day music is subjective but just my opinion that I felt Wing wins round 1
@someweirdguy5721 bruhhh I understand this might be your opinion but just because you can't enjoy it coz u think it's boring to you you can't just say that it's boring and not very impressive
@@qori336 I feel the same thing can be kinda said with kaji's base factory drop
it's just base after base. nothing technical
@Cibexu yeah
Kaji just brings the power.
He is a beast.
Wing is of course cleaner and easier to listen to.
Judged by the video it could easily gone both ways.
wing🔥🔥
I hear what you're saying about the live difference, but I still think Wing wins on video replay. Also, is Wing the most improved beatboxer in the world in the last year or two? He is seriously making a name for himself.
I literally thought Wing was going to say "this is my didgeridoo" iykyk.
It's interesting because I was there live and to me the difference in clarity was stark just like in the video. It's close no matter what but I gave it to Wing and I think a little more than 1% of the crowd did as well 😅
you was at the venue ?
@a1j_1 yeah, for me it sounded like Wing was on a different sound system from the rest of the competition because of how clean every single sound was.
@@poppinfresh1010 like I said, there's a 99% chance u would vote for Kaji. Maybe I exaggerated the 99% but uk what I mean. Only a small percent would have voted for wing
@@poppinfresh1010 i mean i felt the opposite kaji sounded like he got it 100% after his second round if wing changed his second piece on the elim with his second round he would’ve took it because at least he provided a battle round but he didn’t so
@@a1j_1 that's fair. I agree that kaji won the second round. For me though Wing's first round was just mindblowing. Making a beat that slow and simple sound that good and fresh is insane and coupled with the structure it was pure artistry imo.
hey Stitch, when are you going to do a new polyphonic voice tutorial?
I was able to do the sound watching your tutorial but I haven't done it in some time and can't do it anymore😥
Probably not anytime soon xD
fire reaction 🤣
(IMO) Even in the video Kaji wins. His round 2 was so much better than Wing's round 2. Wing's round 2 was sonically sparse (0 kicks to speak of, an entire minute of 0 bass) and only starts to get good when he has 5 seconds left. Bad battle round. Would have been a great Elimination, but it took too long to get going for a battle round. Wing's first round was sick as hell though!!
12:49 Epos sounds like this when he does solo beatbox. ;) Epos and Kaji are the only beatboxers I know who do Gabber/Hardcore beatbox.
Kaji is so 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I understand that it would have sounded very different live. But isn't that the reason the judges have headphones?! Perhaps they should have kept them on. Their job, as I understand it, is to judge the beatbox and part of the criteria is cleanliness, right? So they have the headphones for that.
Kaji was insane but if we were to accept that power and speed can just cover up cleanliness, then if a beatboxer wants to win, they would be forced to adopt that style and that is gonna turn boring.
The diversity of different styles is part of what makes beatbox so interesting and such an art and I believe also why the ruleset factors in other things that are not just raw power or speed. So the argument "it sounded different live" kinda stands on shaky legs for me cuz of the headphones thing :/
The judges have NEVER used headphones in any live battle before! The only reason why they had headphones this time was because the sound was really bad. It was so bad to the point where you couldn't hear a lot of details and it would actually hurt your ears as you listened. That's why they have headphones, because the sound system was bad. In a battle with decent sound, the judges wouldn't need headphones and they would be able to hear everything
@@stitch_mus1c So, if I understood you correctly, then there is no reason as to why they would have missed kajis mistakes and noticed wings cleanliness, right?
@freerider3434 even if they have headphones, it wouldn't help much because of how loud the sound system was. Trust me, u would understand if you were there live
@@stitch_mus1c Ah, did you wear those headphones as well? I figured they would have had closed-back headphones, everything else wouldn't make sense for the purpose. But you can often see the judges leaving one ear open, that doesn't help much either I guess.
Kaji do hard sounds, but Wing do easy sounds in hard way and cleaner. Wing is better for me.
Wing didn't battle at all. It's a BATTLE
Wing doesn’t battle. ITS A BATTLE. Not a showcase. I don’t understand how people even remotely come close to voting Wing.
So we can say the same thing about your elimination, maybe it wasn't good live even if the video showed your details
@@mikey_st true, but all the pro beatboxers there told me that I sounded amazing. So it's not the same case for my elim
Kaji sounded sloppy and he made mistakes. The judges had headphones no excuse for not noticing mistakes. They set up for bass performers. I blame the sounds system.
素早い反応に感謝します🙌
まーじでカッケェっすよね🔥🔥
you yourself gave the reason why you didn't qualify the elimination
Would you care to explain what you mean?
I think GBB is becoming quite linear: all you need is energy and power, leaving other competitors who prioritise cleanliness and musicality with not much chance. I know it's a battle format but I think the weightings of the criteria are not far and I think other competitors like you Stitch deserve much more credit and btter rankings.
If you know it's a battle format then why do you want it to be judged as not a battle
@ because the battle scene is where the heart of the beatbox community is at and also allows people to gain great publicity. I don’t not like high energy battles but I just think either judges should be more accepting of more musical styles, or, GBB creates some kind of additional showcase category where power is not the focus.
@justpotatoes411 well this kind of battle format has to exist somewhere it exists here. Fair argument on maybe they should have a different category for showcasing but also the internet is a massive platform kaji releases just straight up music tracks and it's really good no reason anyone else can't do that. I mean wing got his notariety here everyone's talking about him. But also like stitch said in the videos being there live was a completely different experience and no matter what that's what it's always going to come down to what it feels like being there.
Bro, River just won the last one... with pure musical beatbox (?)
@ Ok yes he was very musical but if you look through a lot of people’s analyses, it was his heavy more technical 2nd rounds that they favoured. And even within the musical rounds, it was the second more technical drop that got the points. But I’m mostly talking about this GBB, especially with the bass-heavy sound system.
Kaji's second round sounds messy. especially the second half
I love you stitch, but get a new mic pls ❤
Come to think of it, you ask why u didn't go to next round? Because u sound not powerful and u just do a song just like wing did this round, wing is great beatboxer but it's not just powerful.
@@budzsakuragi3962 not really, I asked everyone about my loudness and they said I was loud. I wasn't as loud as julard but I was still loud enough. Plus Julard got 7th place in elims so I'm assuming loudness isn't the only thing that matters. Also, you can't compare a battle format with elim format 😂 also, wing didn't lose here because of power
Power Is cool and all, but it lacked control. Too messy. Wing was otherworldly clean and musical. Also the structure... Wing was perfect.
if Wing did some counter Kaji he will win the battle
Hi stitch , Wing vs Kaji , because Kaji is impossible beatbox
plain jane
Pertama
Kaji is just full of power with 0 enjoyable
i enjoyed his round tbh, especially live!
You can get the same feeling from Wing is listening to any remix of any r&B song there's literally so much just like him
Kaji 2nd Round is Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound then --> Spam one sound TIme What its the point... its bad its rly bad
WINGGGGGGGGG>>>>>>>>>, especially the first round
The first round where it was just repeating that one singular tone with extra clicks added in Miss me with that lame shit you literally sounded just like the didgeridoo guy who blew up in 2010 I've seen his act a million times without actually watching him
How can people hear the mistakes and the lack of pitch? There is only one thing I know. The sound they make is not the sound a human being can make. Ha ha ha!