Dear Jago. Interesting side note. After WWII my father served in Hong Kong until being invalided out of service due to being shot several times by 'bandits' (that's a separate story). When he returned to the UK he worked in various jobs for a few years before joining a couple of fellows in an enterprise which was based in part of the converted buildings still standing in the 'Goods Yard' at Edgware. What these chaps were doing was buying 'Army Surplus' and selling it on. Mainly it was vehicles - they would buy ex-army 'half-tacks', remove the tracks and replace them with a rear axle, and sell them as utility vehicles. But they also bought crates of 'flat pack' furniture which had originally been destined for use in army barracks (flat packed made it easier to transport and assemble on site). They decided to sell this flat pack furniture with simple instructions for assembly. The vehicle side of things was called 'Mullard Vehicles', whereas the furniture side of things was run as a separate enterprise, 'Mullard Furnishing Industries'. This history is only given a minor reference on it's wikipedia page. I am of course talking about the retailing behemoth which was MFI. Had my father had the perspicacity to stick with the company in the first place (instead of going into the Film and TV vehicle supply side of things.......yadda yadda yadda....another story) I might now be considerably richer than I am. Thank you for covering Edgware - I grew up in the area, and also worked for a friend of my dads on that same site in the 1980s before it got redeveloped. What a dump. LOL Tx
So many memories haha. I used to walk past that Tudor style building (in your thumbnail to this video) every morning going to work. One very early morning in the late 70s I arrived at the tube station to be confronted by new fangled ticket gates and various workmen and men in suits hanging around expectantly just inside. I put my ticket in the relevant slot and walked through to a round of applause as the very first passenger to venture through the brand new ticket barriers! Ah the celebrity of it all 😊
One other point worth mentioning perhaps is that for the extension to Watford, they'd already built an enormous train maintenance depot just north of Edgware, which was all ready and waiting for trains that would never come, so they figured they ought to make use of it somehow, so it became Aldenham Bus Overhaul Works. Closed in 1986, there's now a business park on the site.
Quite so - in fact I made a comment on another JH video recently (I can't remember why it was relevant) to suggest that Aldenham Works would make an excellent subject for a JH video
The Halifaxes built there, at Aldenham (the pits below the rails, having been filled in) were built under the London Aircraft Production Group (also at DH Leavesden). The aircrew seats were finished in green leatherette, identical to those of LTE 'buses.
Very interesting, thank you. I grew up in Edgware and can remember the site of the old station being used as a sort of industrial park for a coal merchant (very important in those days), a timber yard and other businesses. The tube station had a large yard at the back where most buses left from. I think it was also one of the last places in London to play host to trolley buses, which stopped running in about 1961.
It sort of was but the trolleybuses for some reason didn't actually go to Edgware station but continued up the main A5 to terminate at a roundabout called Canons Corner (obviously not originally a roundabout) which was as far from Stanmore station as the A5 was from Edgware station. There was a turning point for the 666 trolleybus near to Edgware and the 645 went on to Canons Corner. Well, that's as clear as mud 🙄
@@barrykeen5643 The 666 turned in the A5 (Edgware Road) around a central reservation. Do you remember the old single deck TD buses that ran from the station?
Yes, they were cut back to Edgware from the roundabout further north, at Canons Park (I remember them turning there), where the MET trams also reversed.
@john jephcote. Not Canons Park. That's a completely different place and I don't think they were cut back from Canons Corner before the end on 2nd January 1962. I remember because I travelled on the whole of the remaining North West London trolleybus network (645, 660, 662 and 666) on that very cold snowy day and I'm 99% sure that we went round that terminus roundabout.
I used to live in Burnt Oak but worked in Baker St. I cannot tell how many times I fell asleep on the way home and ended up at Edgware Station. That was in the 70s. I remember playing on the old railway line. But the tracks had been removed. Thanks for the memory
That Railway hotel is a gorgeous old Tudor style building. Also nearby the station was the Green Shield stamp headquarters and showrooms. Often went there with my Dad Tupperware would have been a good name for the other station Thanks very much for another fascinating tale Jago.
That Railway hotel has, as far as I remember growing up in Edgware in the 90s, always been closed. Don Macrkill's music stop used to be opposite the pub, where i got my second hand guitars, and that bus stop was for the good old 186/340 to school. Takes me back
Sir. You can ramble for ever. I love the quips and the obvious research that I know doesn't fall off a tree. I'm running out of Bravo's. Bravo anyway. Regards from Loutraki Greece
Hi, re the Watford extension - I grew up in the early 1950's in Bushey in Oundle Avenue, off Chiltern Avenue, both still there. Oundle Ave was a dead end, finishing at farmers fields. Turning left at that end where Cotswold Avenue now is was a muddy overgrown track known locally as The Sleeper Track. which consisted of Railway sleepers laid side by side. My mother told me that this was Railway land, and that a space for railway tracks was left in Chiltern Avenue between two houses for the extension to Watford, at a new station on the opposite side of the High Street roughly where Watford High Street station is now.
Hiya Michael, that's really interesting. I'm looking at OpenStreetMap and comparing it with a map showing where the Brockley Hill, Elstree South and Bushey Heath stations would have been. Although Jago is talking about the proposed extension to Watford from the now-demolished Edgware GNR station, the routes would probably have been very similar, so your mum's theory seems pretty sound. I wish RUclips would let me include URLs in comments. If that were allowed without comments evaporating, I could point you towards the map I referred to (not OpenStreetMap; the other one). I also have a photo, source unknown, of a 1938 tube train (located in LT Museum?) with Bushey Heath on the destination indicator, plus a platform indicator (photographed at Golders Green, I think) showing stations to Edgware, with a separate line displaying stations to Bushey Heath and requiring a change at Edgware. Again, URLs would make this clearer and more useful. If you'd like me to send you these images, Google my name (you'll find me instantly) and drop me a note.
"Everyone had a bicycle, then they got a car and then back to a bicycle." Is that what is know as everything goes around in cycles? Thank you and good night.
In the old days railway stations would often have signs saying, "No Spitting." I saw one such at one of the stations on the Bluebell Line. But otherwise they have disappeared, apparently.
I once booked into a hotel-motel here in Australia which would not have been called salubrious, but when I found a laminated sign in my room which read "No skinning of animals or gutting of fish in the room" I realised it was certainly not the Ritz
One of my relatives as a teen arranged to meet another at the Mark and Spencers on Edgware Road to do some shopping. Unfortunately one went to Edgware Road( Marble Arch), another went to Edgware.Around ten miles/hours travel by tube difference in locations.-Two rather unhappy people,this is in the days before mobile phones. I also had a mix up between Bromley and Bromley by Bow being given instruction by an employment agency for a job interview at the Odeon Cinema. - I didn't get the job ! ( Another 10 mile error),and didn't use that agency again.
Jago, please do produce something about the Northern Heights, if only as it is a subject deserving of your undeniable wit. Plus you KNOW you will unearth something that we will all find interesting. Plus, I would get to see some shots of various abandoned stations and infrastructure I ventured through with my father as a child and therefore find t it had all disappointingly disappeared under to the heavy hammer of progress 🙄😜 Great stuff as ever, cheers 👍🍻🍀😎
For some odd reason it's always a pleasant surprise when Yerkes pops up in a video. Though not really surprising in these lovely clips, but still a nice bonus.
The old Aldenham bus works Was earmarked to be the Northern line depot and maintainance facilities for the New extention, but as the northern hieghts project never really got any higher than Edgware the bus works remained as the bus works until its closure in 1986, I done my work experience there in 1984 and got loads of info I never knew about the works.. I wanted to work there but it closed.. I then became a bus conductor in 87 then a driver in 88... Great video by the way 😊👍🏽
Devious deeds and the aforementioned rogue and favourite villain Charles Yerkies - who could ask for more? Yes indeed, Mr H, you have yet again pulled a stunningly good video out of your bag. Please keep up the excellent work. BTW, I've just finished reading for the umpteenth time 'Leave it to PSmith'. I ponder if you are a reincarnation of the great PGW. Simon T
Could the Roman Villa look of the tube station have anything to do with Edgware being on the old Roman road of Watling Street and the evidene of Roman settlements in the area?
As someone who's lived in Barnet for just over 36 years, I regularly see buses heading for Edgware. Even after all those years, I still think it should really be spelled Edgeware !! 😎😱
Edgeware one of the few places on the underground I feel like I know because I heard it so much on the announcements, but have probably never been there.
I initially thought this would be about the slight oddity that is Edgeware Road... then I saw the stations and realised that it was about the Edgware at the end of the Northern Line - that I don't think I've ever had a need to go to. The tales of competition and tactics are always really interesting, thanks.
I lived in Edgware as a child. We rarely took the Northern line, but walked just over A mile to Stanmore, back when it was still the end of the Bakerloo.
If it weren't that Bayko wasn't invented till ten years afterwards, you could almost swear Stanley Heaps used it to build his initial model for Edgware Station. Those roofs, those pillars .... so very reminiscent ....
I did indeed enjoy that as I live in Edgware. Whilst not tube related about 200 yards from the station is a road named Canons Drive, on the West side of A5 Edgware Road, at the far end of this road is a magnificent Avenue of Redwood trees.
Yes thank you ! Be interesting if you can find any more about the northern extension, just north of brockley hill Tube station they unearthed Roman artifacts, in fact elstree south had Roman statues planned , I have manuscripts all about the Roman settlement there ,
So many lines were due to reach Watford.... Makes me disappointed that they mothballed the Croxley Link. would have been ideal for myself travelling from Aylesbury, to get to watch Watford FC home games.
"The Charring Cross, Euston and Hampstead Railway was owned by...." Me: It's that man again isn't it? "London Electric Railway...." Me: Oh god here he comes. "Part of the Combine" Me: Moustache incoming! "Charles Yerkes" Me: I knew it!
Edgware was actually in Middlesex before I think. And its sad to see that the Northern Line extension to Bushey Heath will never seem to happen. And could of extended to Watford Junction.
Yes, Edgware was in Middlesex. My parents and I lived in one of the last houses in London NW9. The houses behind were in Edgeware, Middlesex. My father used to joke that, if he wanted a breath of country air, all he needed to do was to put his head over the back garden fence.
Listening to the audiobook of Human Universe (BBC/Cox) I suddenly realised that I was familiar with the name of the observatory where Edwin Hubble did his PhD work, all thanks to Jago. It was the Yerkes Observatory. Apparently the building still has caricature sculptures of the main donors, with the main donor most recognisable due to his moustaches.
Again Jago very interesting. Got to admit I have never seen a sign asking me not to urinate here. Though in Austria I was asked to move to a designated smoking point two foot from where I was standing on a platform without a cover. Good job I had already gone to the toilet.
Hi Jago, the Warrington is a massive speculative pub in Maida Vale built in apprehension of a large Victorian railway terminus to be erected near it's locality at a later date. Could you also do summat about that as a topic? Also did you know that there are two underground stations named Edgware Rd and also another two named Shepherds Bush!
Would an Edgware to Watford line generate enough traffic, given thar Watford was already connected to London by the Bakerloo line, also by the LNWR electric trains. I do like the overall roof at Edgware.
That's right, and there was also the 25 minute journey to Euston, probably only stopping at Harrow & Wealdston by steam. Also, the Metropolitan was out, rather inconveniently, by the Boys' Grammar School, the other (NW) side of Watford.
Another good video I grew up in borehamwood so a short bus ride on a 107 to Edgware or a 292 to burnt oak was our local tube. A northern heights video would be good even if it has been done before if to long how about 2 halves I can remember the remains of the arches at cannon’s corner before they had graffiti on them also remember an old fellow used to go in my local who had worked on the tunnels for new extension told me they came out somewhere around Aldenham bus works
I can't help but try to imagine what service on said northern heights extensions would look like! and that Elstree extension as well. Any idea on track layouts to handle all those trains?
If you can get hold of 'By Tube beyond Edgware' (the correct spelling of Edgware) by Tony Beard (Capital Transport 2002 ISBN 185414 246 1) you will find everything you need, including plans, photos, and specially commissioned colour plates of how the completed stations would have appeared.
Don' t think it is correct to say that the missing wing at Edgware station was demolished in connection with the planned extension to Elstree. That scheme was abandoned in the 1950s but I lived in the area up to the mid-1970s and recall both wings to the station being there when I moved away. At that time the demolished wing contained a menswear shop (then known as 'boutiques' ) where I must have made some of thew worst fashion purchases in my life. I was quite disappointed to see that one wing had gone when I visited a few years ago. Pity, as the station and the nearby cinema (also demolished) were the best pieces of architecture in the area. It looks to me as though the station wing went to allow buses to get in and out of their depot as they must have lost their previous route when the nearby shopping center was built. I also recall as a child the tall building going up on the site of the GNR station in the early 1960's. At that time it was known locally at the Edgware skyscraper.
There's another misnamed Railway Tavern in Crouch End, not far from the inner end of the old Edgware, Highgate and London Railway (now the Parkland Walk).
Jago, it's worth doing one for Harrow since there are two Harrows (the original 'posh' Harrow on the hill and the 'new' c. 1920s Harrow at the foot that is now the town centre etc). Also it's a big part of the Met line and where the lines split!
I remember visiting the old station with my father. There was a coal yard and a Timber yard and several other bussineses there. What puzzles me is the dates. I stood on the bridge in Deans lane (now long gone) and watched a diesel shunter head slowly towards Edgware. I would have been 12 or 14 years old so 1964 to 1966. Mill Hill east would have been part of the Northern Line by then so where did the shunter come from? Always been facinated by the Northern Hights story.
Yerkes and the massive combine he built showed the importance of integrated public transport. He wanted it to make more money, but it's hard to imagine a London where the INDIVIDUAL tube lines and bus operators operate as separate and rival organisations
I’ve been to Edgware …or so I thought … oh, dear. I don’t know where I visited now … hopelessly confused. I’ll have to come back after the pandemic and sort it out! LOL
Amazingly, given the size and importance of Edgware in the 70's (and also Burnt Oak) many trains, including most of the off-peak Bank Branch service, used to terminate at Colindale, with only the Charing Cross Branch trains continuing to Edgware. This is, of course, no longer the case; the reversing siding just north of Colindale Station still exists, but is seldom used now except in emergencies.
Edgeware does have multiple stations: Edgeware, Burnt Oak, Colindale, Hendon, Queensbury, and Mill Hill Broadway. Also, Watford is on the tube, its just not on the Northern Line, because Watford is not directly north of Edgeware, and it is too far away from that part of London. Edgeware is NOT the area around the station, it is the area around Edgeware road, which is the A5 (old Roman road) heading out of London, connecting the south coast to Anglesea in Wales.
Surprised no one has said this, but when Jago said Edgware was a good sports and lifestyle brand name, was that a play on 'edge' and 'ware'? Had me chucklin just 30 seconds in, hats off.
They probably called it "Garden City" as a reference to the fledgling Garden City that was under construction in North Herts at the time which is also where the green belt started, Letchworth has the oldest green belt in the World.
@@andrewgwilliam4831 Letchworth retained it's name derived from Roman and as listed in the Domesday book because where as old Welwyn sits to the side of the new Garden City Letchworth was absorbed into the new Garden City, also Letchworth was first so they probably didn't think it needed to be titled. The Garden City movement also heavily influenced the latter New Town movement when Stevenage was built. People in Cambourne I've spoken to think their town may be redesignated as a Garden City in the future and also while there are no plans for anymore GCs there have been some proposals to build some smaller "Garden Towns"
I for one would REALLY like to see your Northern Heights video!
Very much seconded!
I was waiting for Geoff Marshall to comment but glad you commented 😁
Thirded!
Train Men Train Men Train Men Train Men Men Men
@@themoviedealers I sang your comment. I regret nothing. LOL XD
Yerkes, the Combine, the New Works.. This is drinking game gold! Cheers Jago!
I always thought we viewers should run Yerkes Bingo. Where we try to predict at what point his name will be mentioned in the next video.
“Yerkes Bingo” is the “Wilhelm scream” of these videos. Gotta get it in there somewhere 😊
Dear Jago.
Interesting side note.
After WWII my father served in Hong Kong until being invalided out of service due to being shot several times by 'bandits' (that's a separate story).
When he returned to the UK he worked in various jobs for a few years before joining a couple of fellows in an enterprise which was based in part of the converted buildings still standing in the 'Goods Yard' at Edgware.
What these chaps were doing was buying 'Army Surplus' and selling it on.
Mainly it was vehicles - they would buy ex-army 'half-tacks', remove the tracks and replace them with a rear axle, and sell them as utility vehicles.
But they also bought crates of 'flat pack' furniture which had originally been destined for use in army barracks (flat packed made it easier to transport and assemble on site).
They decided to sell this flat pack furniture with simple instructions for assembly.
The vehicle side of things was called 'Mullard Vehicles', whereas the furniture side of things was run as a separate enterprise, 'Mullard Furnishing Industries'.
This history is only given a minor reference on it's wikipedia page.
I am of course talking about the retailing behemoth which was MFI.
Had my father had the perspicacity to stick with the company in the first place (instead of going into the Film and TV vehicle supply side of things.......yadda yadda yadda....another story) I might now be considerably richer than I am.
Thank you for covering Edgware - I grew up in the area, and also worked for a friend of my dads on that same site in the 1980s before it got redeveloped.
What a dump.
LOL
Tx
Trevor Parker
What a really interesting fascinating story. Thanks for sharing.
MFI - Made For Idiots
MFI made deckchairs at one time, but they went out of business and folded
Flat-pack furniture with assembly instructions? I believe there's a Swedish company in that line of business.
@@petermarksteiner7754
Really ? What is their name ?
Jago, regardless of whether others have made a video about a subject, yours are always worth watching.
So many memories haha. I used to walk past that Tudor style building (in your thumbnail to this video) every morning going to work. One very early morning in the late 70s I arrived at the tube station to be confronted by new fangled ticket gates and various workmen and men in suits hanging around expectantly just inside. I put my ticket in the relevant slot and walked through to a round of applause as the very first passenger to venture through the brand new ticket barriers! Ah the celebrity of it all 😊
One other point worth mentioning perhaps is that for the extension to Watford, they'd already built an enormous train maintenance depot just north of Edgware, which was all ready and waiting for trains that would never come, so they figured they ought to make use of it somehow, so it became Aldenham Bus Overhaul Works. Closed in 1986, there's now a business park on the site.
Watford Council dithered if they wanted a railway line, if they had been more assertive in wanting it it might have got done before WW2
Quite so - in fact I made a comment on another JH video recently (I can't remember why it was relevant) to suggest that Aldenham Works would make an excellent subject for a JH video
The Halifaxes built there, at Aldenham (the pits below the rails, having been filled in) were built under the London Aircraft Production Group (also at DH Leavesden). The aircrew seats were finished in green leatherette, identical to those of LTE 'buses.
Very interesting, thank you. I grew up in Edgware and can remember the site of the old station being used as a sort of industrial park for a coal merchant (very important in those days), a timber yard and other businesses. The tube station had a large yard at the back where most buses left from. I think it was also one of the last places in London to play host to trolley buses, which stopped running in about 1961.
It sort of was but the trolleybuses for some reason didn't actually go to Edgware station but continued up the main A5 to terminate at a roundabout called Canons Corner (obviously not originally a roundabout) which was as far from Stanmore station as the A5 was from Edgware station. There was a turning point for the 666 trolleybus near to Edgware and the 645 went on to Canons Corner.
Well, that's as clear as mud 🙄
@@barrykeen5643 The 666 turned in the A5 (Edgware Road) around a central reservation. Do you remember the old single deck TD buses that ran from the station?
Oh yes. Seem to remember that they ran on the 240 but not 100% sure 🤔
Yes, they were cut back to Edgware from the roundabout further north, at Canons Park (I remember them turning there), where the MET trams also reversed.
@john jephcote. Not Canons Park. That's a completely different place and I don't think they were cut back from Canons Corner before the end on 2nd January 1962. I remember because I travelled on the whole of the remaining North West London trolleybus network (645, 660, 662 and 666) on that very cold snowy day and I'm 99% sure that we went round that terminus roundabout.
Yeah I booked a cheap hotel in what I thought I was Edgware Road - It turned out to be a halfway house in Edgware... 🤣
Andy Rumming
Not really a lot of difference !!
I used to live in Burnt Oak but worked in Baker St. I cannot tell how many times I fell asleep on the way home and ended up at Edgware Station. That was in the 70s. I remember playing on the old railway line. But the tracks had been removed. Thanks for the memory
obligatory, "DAMN IT YERKEES!"
It rhymes with 'herpes'.
That Railway hotel is a gorgeous old Tudor style building. Also nearby the station was the Green Shield stamp headquarters and showrooms.
Often went there with my Dad
Tupperware would have been a good name for the other station
Thanks very much for another fascinating tale Jago.
The Green Shield HQ was on the corner of Station Road and Edgware Road (A5).
This is a lovely surprise. Thank you, Jago!
"Please do not urinate here". Come on Banksy, a painting of a urinal is required.
Should provide a station public toilet - there is obviously a demand !!!!
@@pjeaton58 Absolutely.
Awaiting the very Brtish reply underneath the poster asking "So where should I urinate that can't be ssen on camera?''
@@AndyG73 In your pants !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They asked nicely and said please. Personally that makes all the difference. If it was just ‘DO NOT URINATE HERE’ then I would out of spite.
That Railway hotel has, as far as I remember growing up in Edgware in the 90s, always been closed. Don Macrkill's music stop used to be opposite the pub, where i got my second hand guitars, and that bus stop was for the good old 186/340 to school. Takes me back
Sir. You can ramble for ever.
I love the quips and the obvious research that I know doesn't fall off a tree.
I'm running out of Bravo's.
Bravo anyway.
Regards from Loutraki Greece
Thank you for your prompt response. Take care and have a great weekend. Francis
Love your videos. You always take me along on the journey with you if that makes any sense.
Hi, re the Watford extension - I grew up in the early 1950's in Bushey in Oundle Avenue, off Chiltern Avenue, both still there. Oundle Ave was a dead end, finishing at farmers fields. Turning left at that end where Cotswold Avenue now is was a muddy overgrown track known locally as The Sleeper Track. which consisted of Railway sleepers laid side by side. My mother told me that this was Railway land, and that a space for railway tracks was left in Chiltern Avenue between two houses for the extension to Watford, at a new station on the opposite side of the High Street roughly where Watford High Street station is now.
Hiya Michael, that's really interesting. I'm looking at OpenStreetMap and comparing it with a map showing where the Brockley Hill, Elstree South and Bushey Heath stations would have been. Although Jago is talking about the proposed extension to Watford from the now-demolished Edgware GNR station, the routes would probably have been very similar, so your mum's theory seems pretty sound. I wish RUclips would let me include URLs in comments. If that were allowed without comments evaporating, I could point you towards the map I referred to (not OpenStreetMap; the other one). I also have a photo, source unknown, of a 1938 tube train (located in LT Museum?) with Bushey Heath on the destination indicator, plus a platform indicator (photographed at Golders Green, I think) showing stations to Edgware, with a separate line displaying stations to Bushey Heath and requiring a change at Edgware. Again, URLs would make this clearer and more useful. If you'd like me to send you these images, Google my name (you'll find me instantly) and drop me a note.
Brought up in Mill Hill Broadway - fond memories
Thank you for sharing the sign at 7:55! It's exactly my sentiments toward the world today!
Groove is in the Heart for the number plate on the convertible.
I saw that and thought the same!
You beat me to it!
Very good - a friend of mine lives on Garden City, was tickled to see her house!
Love listening to the history of all these old train stations and train lines.
"Everyone had a bicycle, then they got a car and then back to a bicycle." Is that what is know as everything goes around in cycles? Thank you and good night.
That Do Not Urinate Here sign really gives the station that feel of luxury. haha
In the old days railway stations would often have signs saying, "No Spitting." I saw one such at one of the stations on the Bluebell Line. But otherwise they have disappeared, apparently.
I once booked into a hotel-motel here in Australia which would not have been called salubrious, but when I found a laminated sign in my room which read "No skinning of animals or gutting of fish in the room" I realised it was certainly not the Ritz
Another fascinating video from you, Jago! I always find all of them thoroughly entertaining and enjoyable! Love your humorous approach, too!
Recorded on Diwali, Released on Hanukkah, Welcome to Multi-Cultural London. Happy Winter Solstice.
One of my relatives as a teen arranged to meet another at the Mark and Spencers on Edgware Road to do some shopping. Unfortunately one went to Edgware Road( Marble Arch), another went to Edgware.Around ten miles/hours travel by tube difference in locations.-Two rather unhappy people,this is in the days before mobile phones.
I also had a mix up between Bromley and Bromley by Bow being given instruction by an employment agency for a job interview at the Odeon Cinema. - I didn't get the job ! ( Another 10 mile error),and didn't use that agency again.
How strange that I was only up there this afternoon and now I'm watching this.
You have so much material, you could make a full length documentary and sell it. Your narration style and humour is perfect for a documentary.
Jago, please do produce something about the Northern Heights, if only as it is a subject deserving of your undeniable wit. Plus you KNOW you will unearth something that we will all find interesting. Plus, I would get to see some shots of various abandoned stations and infrastructure I ventured through with my father as a child and therefore find t it had all disappointingly disappeared under to the heavy hammer of progress 🙄😜
Great stuff as ever, cheers 👍🍻🍀😎
For some odd reason it's always a pleasant surprise when Yerkes pops up in a video. Though not really surprising in these lovely clips, but still a nice bonus.
"Surprise" isn't _quite_ the right word. But I definitely get where you're coming from!
Another great lesson.😊
The old Aldenham bus works Was earmarked to be the Northern line depot and maintainance facilities for the New extention, but as the northern hieghts project never really got any higher than Edgware the bus works remained as the bus works until its closure in 1986, I done my work experience there in 1984 and got loads of info I never knew about the works.. I wanted to work there but it closed.. I then became a bus conductor in 87 then a driver in 88... Great video by the way 😊👍🏽
Do it! Even if you’re going over “old ground”, your style will make your Northern Heights video as consuming as ever.
Nice Edge-Wear pun, Jago
I used to have lunch in The Railway Hotel in the 1980s and often wondered why it wasn't nearer to the station. Now I know, thanks.
I love all your teasing for northern heights video. Looking forward to it!
Devious deeds and the aforementioned rogue and favourite villain Charles Yerkies - who could ask for more? Yes indeed, Mr H, you have yet again pulled a stunningly good video out of your bag. Please keep up the excellent work. BTW, I've just finished reading for the umpteenth time 'Leave it to PSmith'. I ponder if you are a reincarnation of the great PGW. Simon T
I think Edgware and Hampstead was the first Railway company I know from Jago's video that didn't have cardinals direction on their name
Channels like Jago's are the reason why I keep the RUclips app installed x)
Figures our favourite antihero, Charles Yerkies, makes an appearance in this video.
It's astonishing the number of cats that respond to RUclips video!!
Could the Roman Villa look of the tube station have anything to do with Edgware being on the old Roman road of Watling Street and the evidene of Roman settlements in the area?
Another fascinating tale of stations that were.
Edgeware
my brain immediately jumping to Jay's unfinished London...
Jago Video + home toilet = bliss
Please do not urinate here
As someone who's lived in Barnet for just over 36 years, I regularly see buses heading for Edgware. Even after all those years, I still think it should really be spelled Edgeware !! 😎😱
The 307? I remember when it was the 107.
@@christopherwright8388 Yep that's the one Chris ! 👍
Another excellent video - I’ve never been that far north on the tube but good to see another well roofed station! :)
Edgeware one of the few places on the underground I feel like I know because I heard it so much on the announcements, but have probably never been there.
"Edg(e)ware Sports - If you aren't living on the edge, you're taking up too much room."
Another brilliant episode Jago - fascinating stuff; ta very much
Thanks again Jago. I was born in Edgware and grew up between Edgware and Harrow
Thanks for making this video. You are the green belt to my suburb.
I initially thought this would be about the slight oddity that is Edgeware Road... then I saw the stations and realised that it was about the Edgware at the end of the Northern Line - that I don't think I've ever had a need to go to. The tales of competition and tactics are always really interesting, thanks.
A Jago Hazzard video would not be complete without a reference to the Dark Lord of the Sith, Darth Yerkes.....
Jago......I am your father!
I lived in Edgware as a child. We rarely took the Northern line, but walked just over A mile to Stanmore, back when it was still the end of the Bakerloo.
So you remember the pub sparrowhawk?
@@petra4096 I was 7. No pubs for me.
If it weren't that Bayko wasn't invented till ten years afterwards, you could almost swear Stanley Heaps used it to build his initial model for Edgware Station. Those roofs, those pillars .... so very reminiscent ....
Thank you for making this happen
I did indeed enjoy that as I live in Edgware. Whilst not tube related about 200 yards from the station is a road named Canons Drive, on the West side of A5 Edgware Road, at the far end of this road is a magnificent Avenue of Redwood trees.
Yes thank you ! Be interesting if you can find any more about the northern extension, just north of brockley hill Tube station they unearthed Roman artifacts, in fact elstree south had Roman statues planned , I have manuscripts all about the Roman settlement there ,
Wasnt built by Yerkes was it ?
I remember, when studying Geography (at Kentish Town ...NW Poly), I was poring over the Okehampton map when I saw marked 'Roman Station'.
Fernhurst Gardens was where my mother's parents lived. I spent many Christmas holidays there as a child, sixty years ago!
Thank you Jago 👍
Jago - thanks for doing a video on my home town. And the other station was where the tall office block is
wow, such an interesting history 🦋🦋🦋
Inside you there are two Edgewares.
And Charles Yerkes.
Almost.makes me want to visit Edgware
Garden City looks a very pretty street. Complete with Jaguar F with license plate D LITES.
Great, and very interesting as always 😊
So many lines were due to reach Watford....
Makes me disappointed that they mothballed the Croxley Link. would have been ideal for myself travelling from Aylesbury, to get to watch Watford FC home games.
"The Charring Cross, Euston and Hampstead Railway was owned by...."
Me: It's that man again isn't it?
"London Electric Railway...."
Me: Oh god here he comes.
"Part of the Combine"
Me: Moustache incoming!
"Charles Yerkes"
Me: I knew it!
Edgware was actually in Middlesex before I think. And its sad to see that the Northern Line extension to Bushey Heath will never seem to happen. And could of extended to Watford Junction.
Yes, Edgware was in Middlesex. My parents and I lived in one of the last houses in London NW9. The houses behind were in Edgeware, Middlesex. My father used to joke that, if he wanted a breath of country air, all he needed to do was to put his head over the back garden fence.
@@henrybest4057 Interesting.
You didn't mention it, but I assume the development plan for Edgware was also disrupted somewhat by the fallout from Lord Edgware's murder in 1933.
Was it ever proved that he knew Mr Courtland?
Very good! 😁
Listening to the audiobook of Human Universe (BBC/Cox) I suddenly realised that I was familiar with the name of the observatory where Edwin Hubble did his PhD work, all thanks to Jago. It was the Yerkes Observatory. Apparently the building still has caricature sculptures of the main donors, with the main donor most recognisable due to his moustaches.
Again Jago very interesting. Got to admit I have never seen a sign asking me not to urinate here. Though in Austria I was asked to move to a designated smoking point two foot from where I was standing on a platform without a cover. Good job I had already gone to the toilet.
'The Ladies are over there. Gentlemen can use the car park'. East Finchley (N.Line) has a very large car park.
Great videos as always sir.
Hi Jago, the Warrington is a massive speculative pub in Maida Vale built in apprehension of a large Victorian railway terminus to be erected near it's locality at a later date. Could you also do summat about that as a topic?
Also did you know that there are two underground stations named Edgware Rd and also another two named Shepherds Bush!
As if the fact it's a Jago Hazzard video wouldn't be enough to make a video on the Northern Heights worth watching!
Would an Edgware to Watford line generate enough traffic, given thar Watford was already connected to London by the Bakerloo line, also by the LNWR electric trains.
I do like the overall roof at Edgware.
That's right, and there was also the 25 minute journey to Euston, probably only stopping at Harrow & Wealdston by steam. Also, the Metropolitan was out, rather inconveniently, by the Boys' Grammar School, the other (NW) side of Watford.
Why is there no yellow stain on the 'Please do not urinate here' sign?
Another good video I grew up in borehamwood so a short bus ride on a 107 to Edgware or a 292 to burnt oak was our local tube. A northern heights video would be good even if it has been done before if to long how about 2 halves I can remember the remains of the arches at cannon’s corner before they had graffiti on them also remember an old fellow used to go in my local who had worked on the tunnels for new extension told me they came out somewhere around Aldenham bus works
I really enjoy your videos, even though I’ve never been to England
Nice summary as an appetiser for the Northern Heights to come...
Edgeware, my very first experience of the Tube, going to the 1972 Car Show at Earls Court, aged 9......
I can't help but try to imagine what service on said northern heights extensions would look like! and that Elstree extension as well. Any idea on track layouts to handle all those trains?
If you can get hold of 'By Tube beyond Edgware' (the correct spelling of Edgware) by Tony Beard (Capital Transport 2002 ISBN 185414 246 1) you will find everything you need, including plans, photos, and specially commissioned colour plates of how the completed stations would have appeared.
@@johnjephcote7636 I will scour the earth
Hurrah. Charles Yerkes. Tick. It's been some time coming.
Don' t think it is correct to say that the missing wing at Edgware station was demolished in connection with the planned extension to Elstree. That scheme was abandoned in the 1950s but I lived in the area up to the mid-1970s and recall both wings to the station being there when I moved away. At that time the demolished wing contained a menswear shop (then known as 'boutiques' ) where I must have made some of thew worst fashion purchases in my life.
I was quite disappointed to see that one wing had gone when I visited a few years ago. Pity, as the station and the nearby cinema (also demolished) were the best pieces of architecture in the area. It looks to me as though the station wing went to allow buses to get in and out of their depot as they must have lost their previous route when the nearby shopping center was built.
I also recall as a child the tall building going up on the site of the GNR station in the early 1960's. At that time it was known locally at the Edgware skyscraper.
There's another misnamed Railway Tavern in Crouch End, not far from the inner end of the old Edgware, Highgate and London Railway (now the Parkland Walk).
Jago, it's worth doing one for Harrow since there are two Harrows (the original 'posh' Harrow on the hill and the 'new' c. 1920s Harrow at the foot that is now the town centre etc). Also it's a big part of the Met line and where the lines split!
And the station in the new bit is named after the posh bit, which is just railway company naming policy all over.
Lol I thought this was going to be about the two Edgware *road* stations! :)
I remember visiting the old station with my father. There was a coal yard and a Timber yard and several other bussineses there. What puzzles me is the dates. I stood on the bridge in Deans lane (now long gone) and watched a diesel shunter head slowly towards Edgware. I would have been 12 or 14 years old so 1964 to 1966. Mill Hill east would have been part of the Northern Line by then so where did the shunter come from?
Always been facinated by the Northern Hights story.
Did anybody else boo at the photo of Charles Yerkes?
Dooguk
Alas no Yerkes no tube.
London would look very different today had there been no Yerkes.
No just shouted Bingo
I quietly cheered
Yerkes and the massive combine he built showed the importance of integrated public transport. He wanted it to make more money, but it's hard to imagine a London where the INDIVIDUAL tube lines and bus operators operate as separate and rival organisations
"A Roman Villa" looks more like an advert for a roof-tile manufacturer...
I’ve been to Edgware …or so I thought … oh, dear. I don’t know where I visited now … hopelessly confused. I’ll have to come back after the pandemic and sort it out! LOL
The station interior is interesting too, I had forgotten the rather characterful overall roof.
Amazingly, given the size and importance of Edgware in the 70's (and also Burnt Oak) many trains, including most of the off-peak Bank Branch service, used to terminate at Colindale, with only the Charing Cross Branch trains continuing to Edgware. This is, of course, no longer the case; the reversing siding just north of Colindale Station still exists, but is seldom used now except in emergencies.
Edgeware does have multiple stations:
Edgeware, Burnt Oak, Colindale, Hendon, Queensbury, and Mill Hill Broadway.
Also, Watford is on the tube, its just not on the Northern Line, because Watford is not directly north of Edgeware, and it is too far away from that part of London.
Edgeware is NOT the area around the station, it is the area around Edgeware road, which is the A5 (old Roman road) heading out of London, connecting the south coast to Anglesea in Wales.
Surprised no one has said this, but when Jago said Edgware was a good sports and lifestyle brand name, was that a play on 'edge' and 'ware'?
Had me chucklin just 30 seconds in, hats off.
They probably called it "Garden City" as a reference to the fledgling Garden City that was under construction in North Herts at the time which is also where the green belt started, Letchworth has the oldest green belt in the World.
Unless my memory is playing tricks, there were numerous garden cities, planned and actual, but only Welwyn has it as part of its name.
@@andrewgwilliam4831
Letchworth retained it's name derived from Roman and as listed in the Domesday book because where as old Welwyn sits to the side of the new Garden City Letchworth was absorbed into the new Garden City, also Letchworth was first so they probably didn't think it needed to be titled. The Garden City movement also heavily influenced the latter New Town movement when Stevenage was built. People in Cambourne I've spoken to think their town may be redesignated as a Garden City in the future and also while there are no plans for anymore GCs there have been some proposals to build some smaller "Garden Towns"
the old station building was still present in the 1980s. I used to drive in there just to look at it.
Edgware, where London stops and Hertfordshire begins, sort of.