FromSoft was already very much tied to Sony so they weren't the ones at risk: Spike Chunsoft and Acquire (and possibly more) would have been the big victims of a potential buyout
@JLMetak I don't think they were ever at risk to be honest. Kadokawa was in talks to be acquired by the greater Sony group, not specifically Sony Interactive Entertainment who run Playstation. Bungie weren't acquired by the SIE branch and didn't become part of PS Studios. The Demon Slayer games are multiplat despite being Sony IP, etc.
@MadfireMonkey I misspoke. The anime is produced by Aniplex (owned by Sony Music), and the recent games are based on the anime, which they publish in Japan, and are cross platform. Sony Music do quite a bit of game publishing, entirely separate from the PlayStation business. Likewise Bungie were acquired by Sony, but not the PlayStation branch of the company, and it wasn't SIE that were attempting to buy Kadokawa. If the deal went through, they would have likely been a subsidiary of Sony Music like Aniplex, because Sony wanted Kadokawa for the anime and manga and weren't especially interested in the gaming side of it. A big reason why the deal didn't go through was because Sony didn't want the whole company, it was just the anime and manga, but Kadokawa wanted the whole company to be purchased. The 10% was a compromise that both ended up agreeing to in the end.
@MadfireMonkey I misspoke. Yes, though the anime is produced by Aniplex (a Sony Music subsidiary) and the Demon Slayer games are based on the anime adaptation. Aniplex even publish the games in Japan. Aniplex actually does a fair bit of game publishing, entirely separate from PlayStation, and multiplatform. Bungie was not acquired by Sony Interactive Entertainment and thus do not operate as part of PlayStation Studios. Kadokawa was not an acquisition target of SIE, but the larger Sony organisation, and their intent was to buy the company for the anime and manga side of the business - not the gaming stuff. If the deal went through, Kadokawa would likely function as it already was, but operating under Sony Music like their other anime/manga businesses. A big reason for the acquisition not going ahead was because Sony didn't want the whole of Kadokawa, but Kadokawa wanted a complete sale. The 10% was a compromise that both parties came to in the end. Hopefully this comment sends this time.
I also fear we might not see another Mario + Rabbids game now that Davide Soliani has left Ubisoft. They could have somebody else doing it but then the series might lose some of the DNA and charm that the first two games have if Mr. Soliani is not involved. It’s a shame because they’re among my favorite games on the Switch.
A sequel story pitch I'd have for Geno would be another star spirit inspired by the one that previously controlled the Geno puppet to become a great hero like him.
After the Mario RPG revivial last year, its quite interesting looking back at everyone's pessimistic expectations from previous years. Remember when fans believed Nintendo would "vanillify" all the unique characters if they did remakes? Remember when fans thought Miyamoto would NEVER allow stories for the RPGs unless he was fired? And remember all the crazy speculations/analysis on Mario mandates? Mario RPG fans had little to no hope of any improvements back then. It was understandable, but also quite depressing
Happy New Year to the team. My fav was Thousand-Year Door remake. Currently kicking back on my day off, and listening to this whilst playing Octopath Traveller 2.
This is the only right answer. And the original developer of Mario RPG has been quoted saying he hopes his last game is a sequel to Mario RPG. Cmon Nintendo!
I genuinely hope all 3 of them continue side by side. They all have their own unique quirks, charm, comedy, writing, styles, characters, etc. and people love all 3. If there was any at reasonable risk of being canned, it's probably RPG, but Nintendo sought to revive the original that started it and even amidst troubles Brothership faced during & before development, Nintendo still values Mario & Luigi.
YES I've been hoping for Wario & Waluigi for years! They could even do it like in an Inside Story way where there's M&L gameplay and then separate W&W gameplay. And the idea for a Peach variant is awesome too 😊
I don't know why people are worried. People act like there's a problem with having three different Mario RPG series. They're all different. They can all come out. They are made by different companies.
But do we need three teams pumping out Mario RPGs till the end of time? Should every franchise continue forever just because? I want new RPGs. New games. Not the same tired Mario and Luigi formula
@@xenobrina7880 Why is that a problem? Do we need Nintendo pumping out Mario games until the end of time? Do we need Zelda games until the end of time? You see how that sounds? People would say it's crazy to suggest Zelda should end or Mario. Square Enix puts out a bunch of different RPGs every year. You could check them out. I wouldn't expect a bunch of RPGs from Nintendo. They're not really an RPG heavy company. New RPGs from them would be cool but I don't have much faith. I'm fine with there being three different Mario RPGs. They're all different series.
I’d be interested in any of these three iterations to return (albeit if they actually perform well) but I would love for a brand new Mario RPG concept that does something entirely new. Whether it’s a strategy RPG with Bowser and his army or a comedic action RPG with Wario and a party of scumbags saving a kingdom solely to take their treasure themselves, there’s plenty of ways to use the vast world of Mario in the RPG space
Some things I want to note is that a reason for all 3 series getting revived could be due to Nintendo admitting that going forward that game development is getting harder. So more and more game series are going to start to have larger gaps between entries. This could have been done to try to keep their game output (being Nintendo's major publish games) to have a lot less hiatus between games. Reason why is because since the technology is getting more advanced, it's going to become more expensive & time consuming to create games. Which brings us to some other things they might try to do to keep their game output high are doing things like hiring more employees, have more smaller experiment games/ports of games that cost much less to make, & work with more 3rd party companies. Which brings us back to the Mario RPGs. While Paper Mario was always a game series being handled by Inteligent Systems (who was always a close partner with Nintendo) working with 3rd party companies like ArtePiazza & Acquire/Fromsoft is probably what they were looking for, in terms of finding more developers to help them. But that's just what I think!
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t Paper Mario share the same developer as Fire Emblem? There’s a possibility we might see the next Fire Emblem first before the next Paper Mario.
@@juanluismendoza8655They also do WarioWare and have been for years. Intelligent Systems is no small company and they surely have multiple teams developing games at the same time. There is always a new Paper Mario in development as well as there is always a new Fire Emblem (maybe even multiple like remakes and such) and I'm fairly certain those teams don't really intercept each other. But yes, new Fire Emblem is more likely than Paper Mario. They simply had more time. (Although maybe they delay releasing a new Fire Emblem if that rumoured already finished FE4 remake exists and comes first)
@boboyqc I think you got it backwards. Paper Mario will always be a RPG. And I don't considered Mario & Luigi a Turned-Based RPG'S. More so an Action RPG.
@@boboyqc...Dude, Miyamoto hasn't been involved in the games themselves for years now. He spends most of his time nowadays working as an advisor or helping expand the Nintendo brand trough film and park attractions.
@manuelalbertoromero9528 he's not involved directly, you are right. He still has a word to say about lots of things, sadly. It's kind of his fault if the Paper Mario franchise is what it is today.
_Super Mario RPG_ didn't ever have a subtitle...in Japan where the game was made. For the remake, they undid some of the changes the localization team made. This restored the title, restored the box art, and fixed a few of the translation errors. But sadly only a few. And _Mario & Luigi RPG_ is what the _Mario & Luigi_ games are called in Japan, so it's just Nintendo of America who made the game have that vague name.
It's a wonderful game, but I do agree that the slow start of the game could be off-putting to people. It's normal for an RPG to start slow, but this one doesn't pick up until after the first Lighthouse, which is a long time. I do think it's an amazing game overall though.
Super Mario RPG is not a series as "series" implies multiple entries. At best, you could say that it is the father of the Paper Mario series, since Nintendo wanted that style of game to continue on without Square. Mario & Luigi is a 2nd RPG series from Nintendo, and Rabbids is something totally different made by Ubisoft. Of them, Paper Mario is the most recognizable and the most likely to carry on. Though it wouldn't shock me if all three series find new entries in the next generation.
They should do a Mallow RPG with streamlined kingdom management elements. Like there's an RPG portion and a management portion, and your decisions in the kingdom management portion can impact subquests, secrets, shops etc that you have access to.
Paper Mario stands out visually as the most intriguing entry in the Mario series, with its unique art style and potential to explore deeper, more expansive stories within the Mario universe - though this potential is fully realized only if Miyamoto allows the writers to take creative liberties. Mario + Rabbids comes in second, offering a fresh twist by infusing the familiar Mario characters with the chaotic energy of the Rabbids, which adds an exciting, humorous flair to the otherwise predictable Mario line up.
They should look at fan feedback and reviews. I know not everything online is representative of every mindset out there but I think people want the RPG series to be an RPG series. I know people had some issues with some of the modern battle systems. They can have RPG battles + new battle styles.
I feel the most likely option is that do the best of both worlds like what with you said and make the game a fusion between the TTYD remake and Origami King. Like they can keep some stuff like the partners from 64&TTYD but also have the more open overworld eras from the more modern games. That way everyone can be happy
Origami king would of been the perfect succesor for paper mario had it had the EXP and original character more often. Really hope they do something like that game with the Thousand year door way of doing it. I still remember that one fan game concept that got popular called Countdown to choas/Rewind chronicles and I want something like that.
@@pippo17173 I saw this one fan mod that at least does try to do that while keeping the spirit of the first game in place. Though I feel like TOK lacking in character design was kinda the whole point in it
hoping paper mario keeps the classic battle system but has some of the adventure game world design from the newer games fit in, mario & luigi gets to continue for that team to better refine what they did with brothership (shorter game, punchier script and battles please!), and super mario rpg2 has a job system. and the correct answer for the square enix cameo boss is Jack from Stranger Of Paradise, it's the funniest option by far
If I had to guess (and my preference would be), Paper Mario returns to form with a new entry on Switch 2 and Super Mario RPG continues with a new entry as well as Geno or Mallow finally coming to Smash. Mario and Luigi can go away and I wouldn’t miss it much at all, especially when compared to Paper Mario and Super Mario RPG.
I can somewhat agree. Mario & Luigi needs to die. I'm sorry. But with the revival of Paper Mario and a succussor to Super Mario RPG, there is no way Mario & Luigi would tumble over them in success. And with the devs struggling with Sony, I don't see it last long.
I think seeing all 3 (4 if we count Mario and Rabbids Sparks of Hope) in the span of 2 years again is unlikely and unwise. It was fine this time since we thought many of these series were dead (SMRPG for 25 years, Mario and Luigi as its developer was shuttered, and classic style Paper Mario for 20 years) and it was very cool to have them revived. But do that again and people will definitely have burnout, if not the developers too. Since all 3 of the RPGs are developed by different teams and all three series have their own distinct advantages and fanbases, I think it would be cool if we got a new RPG game every 2 years in a rotating fashion between tbe 3 series. That gives each development team 6 years in between titles, plenty of time to make quality experiences. And 2 years is enough that Mario RPG fans can dabble in some or all of the titles and not be fatigued, but regular enough so diehard fans of a particular subseries don't have to worry. I doubt it would work this smoothly in real life with development and release schedules the way they are, but it would be a cool goal to strive for. As for Mario and Rabbids, I loved those games, but Ubisoft is going to Ubisoft. I don't really consider those RPGs but strategy games anyway, so I think they are different enough they can be on their own schedule if Ubisoft gets its act together.
Mario + Rabbids are technically RPG'S. But there more lean towards Tactical RPG/Strategy than Turned-Based RPG. Kinda like Fire Emblem or Final Fantasy Tactics.
@@jaretco6423 They're turn-based strategy games with RPG mechanics (ie, overworld to be explored with NPCs and shops, EXP and leveling up to get skill orbs and fill out a skill tree, etc). But the main position-based strategy gameplay is so different from the static screen, traditional RPG combat of the other 3 series that I, at least, don't think they would contribute too much to Mario RPG burnout. When I played them, I didnt feel like I was playing anything remotely similar to the other 3. That's basically my only point.
@chaoticcranium They have weapons to increase stats & effects like burn, freeze & etc., they level up to increase there HP, Magic Points & skill trees to unlock new abilities & such, they have overworld you can explore for shortcuts, goodies & battles, they have chapters they divided into the storyline just like Paper Mario was and there story has that RPG alike telling. Mostly lighthearted like most Mario RPG games were. So yeah. I count them as RPG'S. There just not Turned-Based alike like Paper Mario or Super Mario RPG. There more Tactical RPG like Fire Emblem & Final Fantasy Tactics; with Strategy mixed.
I want a Paper Mario with the open exploration of origami king with the partner and battle system from the og series along with the more unique environments and character designs.
I hope it's Paper Mario. Paper Mario is essentially a follow up to SMRPG and we have only had two games that follow a traditional RPG formula while being good.
I'm holding out for another one made by Square. Super Mario RPG is still my favourite out of the Mario RPGs. The remake also selling the best could be a good sign.
I want super Mario rpg to keep being made. I want sequels after sequels. The art style is awesome. I want the same art style but different story and character. I love ittttt. And of course paper Mario. Mario and Luigi…. Meh. But I would want it to keep going for the fans
idk how any one could think Nintendo is trying to see what series sells the most to see what they keep or axe, like why would they gamble millions of dollars to make a remake or a new game just to see "hmm who should we get rid of" like if they wanted to get rid of Mario and Luigi then why spend all this money to make a whole new game instead of just keeping it dormant? as for the future let's just hope PM goes back to it's RPG roots and has actual characters again and ML builds on Brotherships Pros and iron out some stuff next game if they ever make a SMRPG2 that'll be very cool but I'm not counting on it being a whole new series now they probably just wanted to make a remake of a classic
Paper Mario will definitely be sticking around cause of how successful TTYD Remake was. I hope we get a new game that will be a spiritual successor to TTYD and maybe a remake of Paper Mario 64 getting the same treatment as TTYD has. Super Mario RPG Remake did do pretty well. But we haven't had any games or series based around Super Mario RPG playing similar to it. Maybe a Super Mario RPG 2 or whatever might happen and I hope they make the game at least more challenging cause the Super Mario RPG is very easy and pretty braindead at times. Mario & Luigi is gonna be very rough to come back because of Brothership having poor sales, mixed reviews and the team behind the game is having development issues with Sony. But honestly, Mario & Luigi are my least favorite out of the Mario RPG series. Not that there bad. Just not my type of style. Although I did enjoy Superstar Saga & Bowser's Inside Story. Other than that, I could care less about the series and it'll be a long time for them to make another one. And I can't say Mario + Rabbids will be back more often cause the creator & team left Ubisoft and other shenanigans that's going in Ubisoft. It's a shame cause I do love the Mario + Rabbids games. Almost on par with Paper Mario. But unless we find some sort of miracle, I doubt Mario + Rabbids will return soon. Or at least make another Tactical RPG/Strategy alike game starring Mario. The only kind of RPG games Mario hasn't gone through is Action RPG. Though I guess you can say Mario & Luigi are kinda Action based RPG since your are spamming buttons for more damage. I don't know. If not, I would like to see a Mario Action RPG that plays almost identical to Kingdom Hearts; but with better overwolrd designs and combat.
I remember origami king doing something interesting with the giant goomba battles in just the overworld. I would like to see them take that idea and expand on it
I think all three have a good chance of coming back… and there’s also the worry (perhaps unfounded) for each to not come back. For Mario RPG, they could just not want to make a new one. Like, yeah, the remake sold very well and there’s every reason to make a new one. But at the same time, Mario Odyssey sold INSANELY well, and no sequel. I’m talking more than double Galaxy’s sales better, too. Nintendo also just never got Nintendo Cube on DLC for the hugely successful Switch Mario Parties. They don’t always care if there’s a massive pile of money on the table. Just take the money, we want to give you more. But no, they’re good. Of course, the director wants to do another one, and Nintendo seem to heavily respect the people behind these games. And even if I bring up the point Nintendo don’t always follow the money, they also are very capable of following the money. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe got DLC years later, they did do Tears of the Kingdom, they saw traditional Mario Party worked, and so on. It’s the one I’m least confident they’ll do a new one, but it’s still very much possible. And Paper Mario, I am very confident they’ll do a new one that follows the traditional format because TTYD would not have been a thing if they weren’t willing to go back to the old style. Like, they would have known Mario RPG and Mario and Luigi were both in development around a similar timeframe as Paper Mario would’ve been. If they didn’t want RPG overlap for Mario, they would’ve greenlit a different, experimental Paper Mario or one that followed in the successful footsteps of Origami King. But we have three games that follow a similar gameplay loop of turn based battles with action commands and have weird and unique characters, so I think they’re done with the adventure style for Paper Mario. But I do agree they’d take what worked from Origami King and put it in a new Paper Mario. Bigger worlds to explore, more cinematic and dynamic set pieces, and possibly a paper gimmick. And if we get that and a battle style like TTYD’s that innovates in fresh ways and a set of new partners, combining aspects of both could produce the best Paper Mario yet. Mario and Luigi is up in the air, since we don’t know how Brothership sold. But from what I’m hearing, Acquire are safe, so it’s just a matter of if the game sold well enough and if Nintendo are satisfied with Acquire’s first title to get a sequel from them, which I don’t see why not. I believe it got a more positive reception than the discussion online would lead some people to believe. Just a matter of when, for the brothers.
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I think a new turn based Paper Mario game is the most likely to show up first on Switch 2; seems like Nintendo is going to go with what the fans want rather than the modern style (which I don’t mind that style tbh, Colour Splash and TOK are great games in their own right)
Color Splash is mediocre at best and at worst, it's Sticker Star 2 but worst. Origami King is ok. I don't mind that. But I rather they bring back how the first 2 Paper Mario games handled the style. Bring back experienced points, level ups, badges, partners, etc. Than we're good.
@ as someone who played CS and TOK before TTYD, I think both styles have their strengths and weaknesses. TTYD had high highs but also some low lows when I played it (mainly the backtracking/world exploring) if they have the story/battles of TTYD combined with the level design/exploration of TOK I think the next PM game will be phenomenal
@diabeticman2194 I don't have a big problem with the backtracking and world exploring in TTYD has because the worlds are fascinating and as long as the writing & gameplay works properly well, than it's not a big deal. Plus they are pretty solid design wise. Not the best. I agree. But certainly not the worst. Just good enough. But I do like what Origami King approach to the open world. So maybe I would like how OK handles the world mixed with the first 2 Paper Mario game's battle system.
Quick answer to this is paper mario cuz its clear that intelligent system loves to make them. While super mario rpg has had commercial success, a potential sequel needs a developer who wanta to make it first. Same applies for mario and luigi
Hoping for the original 3 M & L games somehow become playable on switch 2 through a NDS accesoire with a stylus etc ( Superstar saga is a GBA title already on NSO ofcourse)
I think at least two will continue if I'm being critical but I think all 3 will continue. Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi definitely will continue. I don't know if Super Mario RPG will continue.
I don't understand why some view the Thousand Year Door Remake as a test for the direction of Paper Mario. To me it was clearly seen as: "We're on schedule for another Paper Mario to be released on Switch, but we dont want two new Paper Mario games on Switch. Paper Mario for 64 will already be on the system, so lets remake TTYD. Fans love that game anyway."
No question Paper Mario will continue. Super Mario RPG & Mario & Luigi will likely depend on the developers Nintendo can get for them / if ArtePiazza & Acquire will keep making them. I personally want a Super Mario RPG sequel to Not be in the exact same isometric style and instead go for a more traditional gameplay style like Dragon Quest or the other turn based Square Enix RPGs. I'd like it to pick up as if Super Mario RPG had been an ongoing series and was evolving over the years. But they'd likely need a higher caliber studio than ArtePiazza for that. Hopefully a higher team at Square Enix.
@ the original just didn't have very deep rpg gameplay. Elemental attacks and effects were very sparse & the party members were unbalanced. I think SMRPG could differentiate by being the most traditional, deep, and somewhat mature-oriented JRPG compared to the other two. I can see there being way more party members to find and jobs / classes being the start.
Mario & Luigi got origami characters, so I can see Paper Mario doing that even without the formula from the 1st two games These days people like Super, so they might accept a game with original characters but not the classic formula
I think it would be neat if Super Mario RPG turned into a full-blown Action RPG series like Kingdom Hearts or Dark Cloud, while Paper Mario kept the Turn Based Combat and for Mario & Luigi to fully embrace the experimental approach Intelligent Systems has done to Paper Mario since Super in the Wii...
@@jaretco6423 Ohh, I meant fully Action based since Mario & Luigi titles employ a Turn-Based Combat where each action requires specific commands and inputs in a limited time.
*Preface:* I'm writing this before watching the video (yes, I know, sorry), mostly because I've coincidentally been thinking about this lately as well. In short, I think all 3 series can stick around, as they offer very different experiences from each other and serve different purposes and audiences: *Mario & Luigi:* This should be the beginner / entry-level RPG series. Besides only having to manage a party of 2 characters, Brothership also demonstrates its beginner-focus by telling the player to do standard RPG things like revisiting previous locations for new quests and explorable areas, and also has NPCs that tell you if you should level up your character more, or find better gear and equipment. Everyone has to start somewhere with RPGs, and Brothership, for all its flaws, does show that the M&L series can fill that role, while also being entertaining for experienced players. *Paper Mario:* Arlo especially is going to hate this, but I think at this point PM has settled into the "Adventure Game with whimsical writing and experimental combat" niche. I say "whimsical" here as the recent PM games definitely lean more into comedy, and have a different sense of humour than, say, Brothership, with the latter's writing being more subdued and understated. I also think allowing for experimental combat further helps differentiate the PM games from the other two series, as otherwise there would be 3 franchises that all share the underlying timed-attack DNA introduced in Super Mario RPG. Which is the perfect segue into... *Super Mario RPG:* I don't think Nintendo will do this, but evolving SMRPG into its own series would allow them to offer a "traditional" JRPG experience with Mario characters, with the complexity and depth of something like the Octopath Traveller games. Having to manage a party with multiple characters and classes, different story choices that actually lead to different endings, etc. Now to actually watch the video and see how off-base my analysis is, ha.
I'd be bad at Mario RPGs because I'm bad at button-timing/rhythm games. Also, I got the final boss in FFI. I gave up on the game because the boss knows the 9999 HP healing spell Curaja. The Mario RPGs also has frustratingly hard bosses.
The Mario RPGs tend to be softer on difficulty compared to FF, that’s nothing to worry about unless you’re fighting the secret boss in Super Mario RPG.
I feel like, from the ones I've played, the really hard bosses in Mario RPGs tend to be optional superbosses. Like, I'm also bad at button timing, and yet I never got a game over once in TTYD until I tried fighting the bonus bosses.
Hot take, I know people want alpha dream to work on Mario and Luigi games. I would like to see a Mario and Luigi that doesn’t have alpha dream members involved. I want to see something a bit different and perhaps a ton less hand holding that the series has become.
Wait, Mario Story? I thought the game was originally going to be called Super Mario RPG2 or something. I remember it was supposed to be a sequel but it eventually was changed to Paper Mario instead.
I think that's closer to the Mario & Luigi games, which are much more explicitly spiritual successors to Super Mario RPG in japan, called "Mario & Luigi RPG" with similar box art design
Mario Story is the final japanese name of the N64 game with the internal name being Super Mario RPG 2 as seen on an unused testmap. Later games went with the Paper Mario thing for some reason, maybe inspired by the localizations already calling the first game as such.
No reason not to continue all of them. I'm including Super Mario RPG in this, they can even let Square Enix make it again with one of the third-party studios they collaborate with.
It's not the negative feedback that's the problem. It's why Nintendo or Intelligent System changed them in the first place when starting with Super, they dumped the whole Turned-Based RPG like the first 2 Paper Mario games have and goes in different direction. They should've never, ever changed that.
We always talk about Mario RPGs, but we should be pushing Nintendo for a Zelda RPG! I want Paper Zelda damn it.............😅 that's an idea for a new Paper Mario. Have them enter a portal that transports them to Hyrule........
Do we really want three teams pumping out Mario RPGs till the end of time when they could be working on something new and fresh? Like at the very least I want a truly NEW Mario RPG and not a remake or sequel. But a NEW IP would be much better.
@@kiddkd7242 Yes after six copy and pasted Mario and Luigi games, we got one actually fresh idea. And they were both good! Sparks of Hope even expanded on the first games formula in meaningful ways, which is rare for this sub-series. But those games are certainly dead with the director leaving Ubisoft. Also I do not understand how "I want more new Mario RPGs" is such a hot take lmao
as for Mario+Rabbids the series is dead BUT perhaps one day they'll get a team to do more Mario themed XCOM games without the Rabbids since they stay with Ubisoft... like I liked the Rabbids in both games I feel like most people won't miss them and it would be a opportunity to have more actual Mario cast playable like Wario and Bowser Jr instead of like Rabbid versions of the characters
I hope that's the case. But than again, Nintendo might find a way to get the Rabbids IP and make another games afterwards. If not, than I wouldn't mind another Tactical RPG Mario game without the Rabbids. Although it might cause the fans to outcry since the Tactical RPG series is for Mario & Rabbids.
The guy who works on Paper Mario sounds super dumb. He changes the battle system each game because he wants each game to be unique. Also, who at Nintendo isn't letting them alter the Mario enemies? That's a stupid rule.
My guess is that they don't consider the Mario+Rabbids as Mario RPG's. I have heard plenty of people say they're indeed part of Mario RPG's but there are some saying that it isn't and is an entirely different thing
We know mario + rabbids is dead but the rest are here to stay most likely We will likely see maybe an rpg more in the vein of ttyd since nintendo knows there is a demand for it
Don't know about Mario & Luigi. With how poorly Brothership sales, getting mixed reviews & development trouble with Sony, it might not come back for a long time.
How about a new RPG? Gimme Mario Tactics ala FF Tactics/Advanced. Better yet, make it Nintendo Tactics (or w.e name would be fitting) and have multiple of Nintendo's IPs join in!
I believe Mario and Luigi sold poorly, which sucks. I do like all 3. I just need to nake time to finish them. I wonder if Nintendo eill pick another franchise to make an rpg spinoff. Kirby would be cool or even Yoshi.
@@lizard81288Well if Mario + Rabbids: Sparks of Hope can make a comeback, I'm pretty sure Mario & Luigi: Brothership can do the same. But who knows? It was just bad timing when it was released.
@@jaretco6423 If I remember well, Sparks of Hope came out during a crowded time. Sonic Frontiers and God of War Ragnarok came out during that time so it got lost in the crowd.
@juanluismendoza8655 And Pokemon Scarlet & Violet. But yeah. That & there's been alot of shenanigans happening over at Ubisoft that causes many people skipping it. It did get sold alot more a year after it's released. But still. Back when it was out, the game sold pretty poorly.
Personally I don't care about Mario RPG games. They are super boring and repetitive. Terrible writing. Awful art design. Wouldn't mind if Nintendo kills the series.
Community Note: Sony didn't buy Kadokawa outright, just some shares in the company . Your Fromsoft games are safe folks lol
FromSoft was already very much tied to Sony so they weren't the ones at risk: Spike Chunsoft and Acquire (and possibly more) would have been the big victims of a potential buyout
@JLMetak I don't think they were ever at risk to be honest. Kadokawa was in talks to be acquired by the greater Sony group, not specifically Sony Interactive Entertainment who run Playstation. Bungie weren't acquired by the SIE branch and didn't become part of PS Studios. The Demon Slayer games are multiplat despite being Sony IP, etc.
Demon Slayer is not a Sony IP
@MadfireMonkey I misspoke. The anime is produced by Aniplex (owned by Sony Music), and the recent games are based on the anime, which they publish in Japan, and are cross platform. Sony Music do quite a bit of game publishing, entirely separate from the PlayStation business. Likewise Bungie were acquired by Sony, but not the PlayStation branch of the company, and it wasn't SIE that were attempting to buy Kadokawa. If the deal went through, they would have likely been a subsidiary of Sony Music like Aniplex, because Sony wanted Kadokawa for the anime and manga and weren't especially interested in the gaming side of it.
A big reason why the deal didn't go through was because Sony didn't want the whole company, it was just the anime and manga, but Kadokawa wanted the whole company to be purchased. The 10% was a compromise that both ended up agreeing to in the end.
@MadfireMonkey I misspoke. Yes, though the anime is produced by Aniplex (a Sony Music subsidiary) and the Demon Slayer games are based on the anime adaptation. Aniplex even publish the games in Japan. Aniplex actually does a fair bit of game publishing, entirely separate from PlayStation, and multiplatform.
Bungie was not acquired by Sony Interactive Entertainment and thus do not operate as part of PlayStation Studios. Kadokawa was not an acquisition target of SIE, but the larger Sony organisation, and their intent was to buy the company for the anime and manga side of the business - not the gaming stuff. If the deal went through, Kadokawa would likely function as it already was, but operating under Sony Music like their other anime/manga businesses.
A big reason for the acquisition not going ahead was because Sony didn't want the whole of Kadokawa, but Kadokawa wanted a complete sale. The 10% was a compromise that both parties came to in the end.
Hopefully this comment sends this time.
I hope it's all of them! They all have a different charm that I appreciate
Yes, they all have different playstyles and charm.
This is the real answer
They got rid of the subtitle in Luigi’s Mansion Dark Moon and just put a 2 at the end of it so they could do the same for Mario RPG
I also fear we might not see another Mario + Rabbids game now that Davide Soliani has left Ubisoft. They could have somebody else doing it but then the series might lose some of the DNA and charm that the first two games have if Mr. Soliani is not involved.
It’s a shame because they’re among my favorite games on the Switch.
Yeah. I'm sad. There also my favorite Mario RPG series next to Paper Mario.
I think they release 3 mario rpg this year to see what was the most popular and keep making games with that specific line
A sequel story pitch I'd have for Geno would be another star spirit inspired by the one that previously controlled the Geno puppet to become a great hero like him.
After the Mario RPG revivial last year, its quite interesting looking back at everyone's pessimistic expectations from previous years. Remember when fans believed Nintendo would "vanillify" all the unique characters if they did remakes? Remember when fans thought Miyamoto would NEVER allow stories for the RPGs unless he was fired? And remember all the crazy speculations/analysis on Mario mandates?
Mario RPG fans had little to no hope of any improvements back then. It was understandable, but also quite depressing
Happy New Year to the team. My fav was Thousand-Year Door remake. Currently kicking back on my day off, and listening to this whilst playing Octopath Traveller 2.
A super mario RPG 2 would be the coolest to me because every other series has sequels already
This is the only right answer. And the original developer of Mario RPG has been quoted saying he hopes his last game is a sequel to Mario RPG. Cmon Nintendo!
Paper Mario has 100% chance of staying, almost no chance for Mario+Rabbids, very small chance for Super Mario RPG, moderate chance for Mario & Luigi
I genuinely hope all 3 of them continue side by side. They all have their own unique quirks, charm, comedy, writing, styles, characters, etc. and people love all 3. If there was any at reasonable risk of being canned, it's probably RPG, but Nintendo sought to revive the original that started it and even amidst troubles Brothership faced during & before development, Nintendo still values Mario & Luigi.
I'm hoping for Wario & Waluigi Peach & Daisy or Yoshi & red variant (Red Yoshi) to be in the next future Mario & Luigi RPG
YES I've been hoping for Wario & Waluigi for years! They could even do it like in an Inside Story way where there's M&L gameplay and then separate W&W gameplay. And the idea for a Peach variant is awesome too 😊
Yoshi & Birdo was right there 😢
Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong you mean
I don't know why people are worried. People act like there's a problem with having three different Mario RPG series. They're all different. They can all come out. They are made by different companies.
But do we need three teams pumping out Mario RPGs till the end of time? Should every franchise continue forever just because?
I want new RPGs. New games. Not the same tired Mario and Luigi formula
@@xenobrina7880 Why is that a problem? Do we need Nintendo pumping out Mario games until the end of time? Do we need Zelda games until the end of time? You see how that sounds? People would say it's crazy to suggest Zelda should end or Mario.
Square Enix puts out a bunch of different RPGs every year. You could check them out. I wouldn't expect a bunch of RPGs from Nintendo. They're not really an RPG heavy company. New RPGs from them would be cool but I don't have much faith. I'm fine with there being three different Mario RPGs. They're all different series.
6:03 literally this is why, it's the exact reason paper mario deviated away from being an RPG in the first place
If I could choose one it would have to be SMRPG, even the director wants a sequel
I’d be interested in any of these three iterations to return (albeit if they actually perform well) but I would love for a brand new Mario RPG concept that does something entirely new.
Whether it’s a strategy RPG with Bowser and his army or a comedic action RPG with Wario and a party of scumbags saving a kingdom solely to take their treasure themselves, there’s plenty of ways to use the vast world of Mario in the RPG space
Some things I want to note is that a reason for all 3 series getting revived could be due to Nintendo admitting that going forward that game development is getting harder. So more and more game series are going to start to have larger gaps between entries. This could have been done to try to keep their game output (being Nintendo's major publish games) to have a lot less hiatus between games. Reason why is because since the technology is getting more advanced, it's going to become more expensive & time consuming to create games. Which brings us to some other things they might try to do to keep their game output high are doing things like hiring more employees, have more smaller experiment games/ports of games that cost much less to make, & work with more 3rd party companies. Which brings us back to the Mario RPGs. While Paper Mario was always a game series being handled by Inteligent Systems (who was always a close partner with Nintendo) working with 3rd party companies like ArtePiazza & Acquire/Fromsoft is probably what they were looking for, in terms of finding more developers to help them. But that's just what I think!
Isn't paper Mario the obvious answer? It's an ongoing series that doesn't have developer issues.
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t Paper Mario share the same developer as Fire Emblem? There’s a possibility we might see the next Fire Emblem first before the next Paper Mario.
Question for Paper Mario is more about which "variant" of it will we get in the next new game
@@jaretco6423 Due to the fanbase? What does that mean?
@@juanluismendoza8655They also do WarioWare and have been for years. Intelligent Systems is no small company and they surely have multiple teams developing games at the same time. There is always a new Paper Mario in development as well as there is always a new Fire Emblem (maybe even multiple like remakes and such) and I'm fairly certain those teams don't really intercept each other.
But yes, new Fire Emblem is more likely than Paper Mario. They simply had more time. (Although maybe they delay releasing a new Fire Emblem if that rumoured already finished FE4 remake exists and comes first)
Yeah unfortunately Intelligent Systems cares more about Fire Emblem than stuff like Paper Mario or even Warioware
Fellas, Paper Mario imo is the most likely to continue in the form that it is with prominent releases.
It's been every 4 years for paper Mario since 2012. Mario + rabbids isn't happening again cuz of Ubisoft.
Completely agreed, if Miyamoto has his way nothing will change. Paper Mario won't be a RPG. And Mario & Luigi will continue as the tentpole mario RPG.
@boboyqc I think you got it backwards. Paper Mario will always be a RPG. And I don't considered Mario & Luigi a Turned-Based RPG'S. More so an Action RPG.
@@boboyqc...Dude, Miyamoto hasn't been involved in the games themselves for years now. He spends most of his time nowadays working as an advisor or helping expand the Nintendo brand trough film and park attractions.
@manuelalbertoromero9528 he's not involved directly, you are right. He still has a word to say about lots of things, sadly. It's kind of his fault if the Paper Mario franchise is what it is today.
_Super Mario RPG_ didn't ever have a subtitle...in Japan where the game was made. For the remake, they undid some of the changes the localization team made. This restored the title, restored the box art, and fixed a few of the translation errors. But sadly only a few.
And _Mario & Luigi RPG_ is what the _Mario & Luigi_ games are called in Japan, so it's just Nintendo of America who made the game have that vague name.
All four of then, please.
Also, I’m currently playing Brothership. It’s a marvelous game!!
Agree with the GVG crew. All of them should stick around. We will consume it regardless and enjoy all that is to come!
I'm almost done with Brothership and honestly i dont get the hate. I think its phenomenal
@@jaretco6423 As broken and bland as Mario Strikers Battle League? (sorry, it's a bad joke )
It's a wonderful game, but I do agree that the slow start of the game could be off-putting to people. It's normal for an RPG to start slow, but this one doesn't pick up until after the first Lighthouse, which is a long time.
I do think it's an amazing game overall though.
Super Mario RPG is not a series as "series" implies multiple entries. At best, you could say that it is the father of the Paper Mario series, since Nintendo wanted that style of game to continue on without Square. Mario & Luigi is a 2nd RPG series from Nintendo, and Rabbids is something totally different made by Ubisoft. Of them, Paper Mario is the most recognizable and the most likely to carry on. Though it wouldn't shock me if all three series find new entries in the next generation.
Why not keep them all and combine them to make Super Paper Mario & Luigi RPG?! 😂
Sounds fun but also kind of convoluted if not done well. 🤔
+Rabbids
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They should do a Mallow RPG with streamlined kingdom management elements.
Like there's an RPG portion and a management portion, and your decisions in the kingdom management portion can impact subquests, secrets, shops etc that you have access to.
Paper Mario stands out visually as the most intriguing entry in the Mario series, with its unique art style and potential to explore deeper, more expansive stories within the Mario universe - though this potential is fully realized only if Miyamoto allows the writers to take creative liberties. Mario + Rabbids comes in second, offering a fresh twist by infusing the familiar Mario characters with the chaotic energy of the Rabbids, which adds an exciting, humorous flair to the otherwise predictable Mario line up.
They should look at fan feedback and reviews. I know not everything online is representative of every mindset out there but I think people want the RPG series to be an RPG series. I know people had some issues with some of the modern battle systems. They can have RPG battles + new battle styles.
I feel the most likely option is that do the best of both worlds like what with you said and make the game a fusion between the TTYD remake and Origami King. Like they can keep some stuff like the partners from 64&TTYD but also have the more open overworld eras from the more modern games. That way everyone can be happy
Origami king would of been the perfect succesor for paper mario had it had the EXP and original character more often. Really hope they do something like that game with the Thousand year door way of doing it. I still remember that one fan game concept that got popular called Countdown to choas/Rewind chronicles and I want something like that.
@@pippo17173 Yeah, for some reason, someone at Nintendo doesn't want them to alter the enemy characters. I don't get it.
@@sirmel11 I actually have a theory on that. Being Legal issues
@@pippo17173 I saw this one fan mod that at least does try to do that while keeping the spirit of the first game in place. Though I feel like TOK lacking in character design was kinda the whole point in it
I would love a Paper Zelda and Wario RPG/Wario & Waluigi, where they step on the Mario bros on the box art
Super Mario RPG should get a sequel i mean a true sequel
hoping paper mario keeps the classic battle system but has some of the adventure game world design from the newer games fit in, mario & luigi gets to continue for that team to better refine what they did with brothership (shorter game, punchier script and battles please!), and super mario rpg2 has a job system.
and the correct answer for the square enix cameo boss is Jack from Stranger Of Paradise, it's the funniest option by far
Super Mario RPG: Mario + Bowser + Peach + Mellow learning how to be a prince +......BOSHI. It's not that hard, Nintendo.
Is another shot at Paper Jam's idea out the window?
If I had to guess (and my preference would be), Paper Mario returns to form with a new entry on Switch 2 and Super Mario RPG continues with a new entry as well as Geno or Mallow finally coming to Smash. Mario and Luigi can go away and I wouldn’t miss it much at all, especially when compared to Paper Mario and Super Mario RPG.
I can somewhat agree. Mario & Luigi needs to die. I'm sorry. But with the revival of Paper Mario and a succussor to Super Mario RPG, there is no way Mario & Luigi would tumble over them in success. And with the devs struggling with Sony, I don't see it last long.
I think seeing all 3 (4 if we count Mario and Rabbids Sparks of Hope) in the span of 2 years again is unlikely and unwise. It was fine this time since we thought many of these series were dead (SMRPG for 25 years, Mario and Luigi as its developer was shuttered, and classic style Paper Mario for 20 years) and it was very cool to have them revived. But do that again and people will definitely have burnout, if not the developers too.
Since all 3 of the RPGs are developed by different teams and all three series have their own distinct advantages and fanbases, I think it would be cool if we got a new RPG game every 2 years in a rotating fashion between tbe 3 series. That gives each development team 6 years in between titles, plenty of time to make quality experiences. And 2 years is enough that Mario RPG fans can dabble in some or all of the titles and not be fatigued, but regular enough so diehard fans of a particular subseries don't have to worry.
I doubt it would work this smoothly in real life with development and release schedules the way they are, but it would be a cool goal to strive for.
As for Mario and Rabbids, I loved those games, but Ubisoft is going to Ubisoft. I don't really consider those RPGs but strategy games anyway, so I think they are different enough they can be on their own schedule if Ubisoft gets its act together.
Mario + Rabbids are technically RPG'S. But there more lean towards Tactical RPG/Strategy than Turned-Based RPG. Kinda like Fire Emblem or Final Fantasy Tactics.
@@jaretco6423 They're turn-based strategy games with RPG mechanics (ie, overworld to be explored with NPCs and shops, EXP and leveling up to get skill orbs and fill out a skill tree, etc).
But the main position-based strategy gameplay is so different from the static screen, traditional RPG combat of the other 3 series that I, at least, don't think they would contribute too much to Mario RPG burnout. When I played them, I didnt feel like I was playing anything remotely similar to the other 3. That's basically my only point.
@chaoticcranium They have weapons to increase stats & effects like burn, freeze & etc., they level up to increase there HP, Magic Points & skill trees to unlock new abilities & such, they have overworld you can explore for shortcuts, goodies & battles, they have chapters they divided into the storyline just like Paper Mario was and there story has that RPG alike telling. Mostly lighthearted like most Mario RPG games were. So yeah. I count them as RPG'S. There just not Turned-Based alike like Paper Mario or Super Mario RPG. There more Tactical RPG like Fire Emblem & Final Fantasy Tactics; with Strategy mixed.
I just want to see Mario & Luigi continue
I want a Paper Mario with the open exploration of origami king with the partner and battle system from the og series along with the more unique environments and character designs.
Honestly, I feel they all should continue to exist, but I imagine Paper Mario will continue into the future.
I really want a sequel to Mario RPG. But in full Mario Odyssey 3D the remake was fine but time for an upgrade
Man, one discussion after another??? You guys are the best.
But also, this is a topic that's been on my mind, excited to hear your thoughts!
I hope it's Paper Mario. Paper Mario is essentially a follow up to SMRPG and we have only had two games that follow a traditional RPG formula while being good.
I'd like to see Monolith Soft take a crack at a Mario RPG.
I'm holding out for another one made by Square. Super Mario RPG is still my favourite out of the Mario RPGs. The remake also selling the best could be a good sign.
You know what.. Yacht Club Games could take on creating a Mario RPG. Alec has time for another project.
I want super Mario rpg to keep being made. I want sequels after sequels. The art style is awesome. I want the same art style but different story and character. I love ittttt. And of course paper Mario. Mario and Luigi…. Meh. But I would want it to keep going for the fans
idk how any one could think Nintendo is trying to see what series sells the most to see what they keep or axe, like why would they gamble millions of dollars to make a remake or a new game just to see "hmm who should we get rid of"
like if they wanted to get rid of Mario and Luigi then why spend all this money to make a whole new game instead of just keeping it dormant?
as for the future let's just hope PM goes back to it's RPG roots and has actual characters again and ML builds on Brotherships Pros and iron out some stuff next game
if they ever make a SMRPG2 that'll be very cool but I'm not counting on it being a whole new series now they probably just wanted to make a remake of a classic
Paper Mario will definitely be sticking around cause of how successful TTYD Remake was. I hope we get a new game that will be a spiritual successor to TTYD and maybe a remake of Paper Mario 64 getting the same treatment as TTYD has. Super Mario RPG Remake did do pretty well. But we haven't had any games or series based around Super Mario RPG playing similar to it. Maybe a Super Mario RPG 2 or whatever might happen and I hope they make the game at least more challenging cause the Super Mario RPG is very easy and pretty braindead at times. Mario & Luigi is gonna be very rough to come back because of Brothership having poor sales, mixed reviews and the team behind the game is having development issues with Sony. But honestly, Mario & Luigi are my least favorite out of the Mario RPG series. Not that there bad. Just not my type of style. Although I did enjoy Superstar Saga & Bowser's Inside Story. Other than that, I could care less about the series and it'll be a long time for them to make another one. And I can't say Mario + Rabbids will be back more often cause the creator & team left Ubisoft and other shenanigans that's going in Ubisoft. It's a shame cause I do love the Mario + Rabbids games. Almost on par with Paper Mario. But unless we find some sort of miracle, I doubt Mario + Rabbids will return soon. Or at least make another Tactical RPG/Strategy alike game starring Mario. The only kind of RPG games Mario hasn't gone through is Action RPG. Though I guess you can say Mario & Luigi are kinda Action based RPG since your are spamming buttons for more damage. I don't know. If not, I would like to see a Mario Action RPG that plays almost identical to Kingdom Hearts; but with better overwolrd designs and combat.
I think they should do a cross over with Mario & Luigi and Paper Mario. I would pay big money for that.
They already did a crossever. 😉
They already did but i wish they would give it another try, this time with a proper vision and pulloff
@@juanluismendoza8655it would be cool if they did a sequel & had the story be Mario & Luigi going into the book to explore the paper world.
I remember origami king doing something interesting with the giant goomba battles in just the overworld. I would like to see them take that idea and expand on it
I think all three have a good chance of coming back… and there’s also the worry (perhaps unfounded) for each to not come back.
For Mario RPG, they could just not want to make a new one. Like, yeah, the remake sold very well and there’s every reason to make a new one. But at the same time, Mario Odyssey sold INSANELY well, and no sequel. I’m talking more than double Galaxy’s sales better, too. Nintendo also just never got Nintendo Cube on DLC for the hugely successful Switch Mario Parties. They don’t always care if there’s a massive pile of money on the table. Just take the money, we want to give you more. But no, they’re good.
Of course, the director wants to do another one, and Nintendo seem to heavily respect the people behind these games. And even if I bring up the point Nintendo don’t always follow the money, they also are very capable of following the money. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe got DLC years later, they did do Tears of the Kingdom, they saw traditional Mario Party worked, and so on. It’s the one I’m least confident they’ll do a new one, but it’s still very much possible.
And Paper Mario, I am very confident they’ll do a new one that follows the traditional format because TTYD would not have been a thing if they weren’t willing to go back to the old style. Like, they would have known Mario RPG and Mario and Luigi were both in development around a similar timeframe as Paper Mario would’ve been. If they didn’t want RPG overlap for Mario, they would’ve greenlit a different, experimental Paper Mario or one that followed in the successful footsteps of Origami King.
But we have three games that follow a similar gameplay loop of turn based battles with action commands and have weird and unique characters, so I think they’re done with the adventure style for Paper Mario. But I do agree they’d take what worked from Origami King and put it in a new Paper Mario. Bigger worlds to explore, more cinematic and dynamic set pieces, and possibly a paper gimmick. And if we get that and a battle style like TTYD’s that innovates in fresh ways and a set of new partners, combining aspects of both could produce the best Paper Mario yet.
Mario and Luigi is up in the air, since we don’t know how Brothership sold. But from what I’m hearing, Acquire are safe, so it’s just a matter of if the game sold well enough and if Nintendo are satisfied with Acquire’s first title to get a sequel from them, which I don’t see why not. I believe it got a more positive reception than the discussion online would lead some people to believe. Just a matter of when, for the brothers.
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I've enjoyed all 3 of these games. I'd love to see more from any or all of them
I think a new turn based Paper Mario game is the most likely to show up first on Switch 2; seems like Nintendo is going to go with what the fans want rather than the modern style (which I don’t mind that style tbh, Colour Splash and TOK are great games in their own right)
Color Splash is mediocre at best and at worst, it's Sticker Star 2 but worst. Origami King is ok. I don't mind that. But I rather they bring back how the first 2 Paper Mario games handled the style. Bring back experienced points, level ups, badges, partners, etc. Than we're good.
@ as someone who played CS and TOK before TTYD, I think both styles have their strengths and weaknesses. TTYD had high highs but also some low lows when I played it (mainly the backtracking/world exploring) if they have the story/battles of TTYD combined with the level design/exploration of TOK I think the next PM game will be phenomenal
@diabeticman2194 I don't have a big problem with the backtracking and world exploring in TTYD has because the worlds are fascinating and as long as the writing & gameplay works properly well, than it's not a big deal. Plus they are pretty solid design wise. Not the best. I agree. But certainly not the worst. Just good enough. But I do like what Origami King approach to the open world. So maybe I would like how OK handles the world mixed with the first 2 Paper Mario game's battle system.
Even if the future is bleak, at least I have 3 amazing Mario RPGs on my Switch and inevitable Switch 2.
Quick answer to this is paper mario cuz its clear that intelligent system loves to make them. While super mario rpg has had commercial success, a potential sequel needs a developer who wanta to make it first. Same applies for mario and luigi
Hoping for the original 3 M & L games somehow become playable on switch 2 through a NDS accesoire with a stylus etc ( Superstar saga is a GBA title already on NSO ofcourse)
I think at least two will continue if I'm being critical but I think all 3 will continue. Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi definitely will continue. I don't know if Super Mario RPG will continue.
There's no way there will be a new mario and luigi game in the next 5 years.
I don't understand why some view the Thousand Year Door Remake as a test for the direction of Paper Mario. To me it was clearly seen as:
"We're on schedule for another Paper Mario to be released on Switch, but we dont want two new Paper Mario games on Switch. Paper Mario for 64 will already be on the system, so lets remake TTYD. Fans love that game anyway."
No question Paper Mario will continue. Super Mario RPG & Mario & Luigi will likely depend on the developers Nintendo can get for them / if ArtePiazza & Acquire will keep making them. I personally want a Super Mario RPG sequel to Not be in the exact same isometric style and instead go for a more traditional gameplay style like Dragon Quest or the other turn based Square Enix RPGs. I'd like it to pick up as if Super Mario RPG had been an ongoing series and was evolving over the years. But they'd likely need a higher caliber studio than ArtePiazza for that. Hopefully a higher team at Square Enix.
I would like that. I also hope they improved on the battle system and challenge because Super Mario RPG was pretty darn easy and sometimes braindead.
@ the original just didn't have very deep rpg gameplay. Elemental attacks and effects were very sparse & the party members were unbalanced. I think SMRPG could differentiate by being the most traditional, deep, and somewhat mature-oriented JRPG compared to the other two. I can see there being way more party members to find and jobs / classes being the start.
@@Pyrple That would be cool.
Loooove this discussion guys
Mario & Luigi got origami characters, so I can see Paper Mario doing that even without the formula from the 1st two games
These days people like Super, so they might accept a game with original characters but not the classic formula
Here’s an idea: create a fresh new idea for an RPG and not rely and regurgitate the same old ideas that are past its time.
Seems kind of weird to act like a remake makes “Mario rpg” a new series distinct from there other efforts
I think it would be neat if Super Mario RPG turned into a full-blown Action RPG series like Kingdom Hearts or Dark Cloud, while Paper Mario kept the Turn Based Combat and for Mario & Luigi to fully embrace the experimental approach Intelligent Systems has done to Paper Mario since Super in the Wii...
@@jaretco6423 Ohh, I meant fully Action based since Mario & Luigi titles employ a Turn-Based Combat where each action requires specific commands and inputs in a limited time.
I'll welcome any of them
*Preface:* I'm writing this before watching the video (yes, I know, sorry), mostly because I've coincidentally been thinking about this lately as well. In short, I think all 3 series can stick around, as they offer very different experiences from each other and serve different purposes and audiences:
*Mario & Luigi:* This should be the beginner / entry-level RPG series. Besides only having to manage a party of 2 characters, Brothership also demonstrates its beginner-focus by telling the player to do standard RPG things like revisiting previous locations for new quests and explorable areas, and also has NPCs that tell you if you should level up your character more, or find better gear and equipment. Everyone has to start somewhere with RPGs, and Brothership, for all its flaws, does show that the M&L series can fill that role, while also being entertaining for experienced players.
*Paper Mario:* Arlo especially is going to hate this, but I think at this point PM has settled into the "Adventure Game with whimsical writing and experimental combat" niche. I say "whimsical" here as the recent PM games definitely lean more into comedy, and have a different sense of humour than, say, Brothership, with the latter's writing being more subdued and understated. I also think allowing for experimental combat further helps differentiate the PM games from the other two series, as otherwise there would be 3 franchises that all share the underlying timed-attack DNA introduced in Super Mario RPG. Which is the perfect segue into...
*Super Mario RPG:* I don't think Nintendo will do this, but evolving SMRPG into its own series would allow them to offer a "traditional" JRPG experience with Mario characters, with the complexity and depth of something like the Octopath Traveller games. Having to manage a party with multiple characters and classes, different story choices that actually lead to different endings, etc.
Now to actually watch the video and see how off-base my analysis is, ha.
I'd be bad at Mario RPGs because I'm bad at button-timing/rhythm games.
Also, I got the final boss in FFI. I gave up on the game because the boss knows the 9999 HP healing spell Curaja. The Mario RPGs also has frustratingly hard bosses.
The Mario RPGs tend to be softer on difficulty compared to FF, that’s nothing to worry about unless you’re fighting the secret boss in Super Mario RPG.
I feel like, from the ones I've played, the really hard bosses in Mario RPGs tend to be optional superbosses. Like, I'm also bad at button timing, and yet I never got a game over once in TTYD until I tried fighting the bonus bosses.
That's cute, you think the three styles are litmus tests and not the cheap phoned in Mario spin off parade we get at the death of every console
i hope we dont get anymore mario rpgs for 5 years at least
Hot take, I know people want alpha dream to work on Mario and Luigi games. I would like to see a Mario and Luigi that doesn’t have alpha dream members involved. I want to see something a bit different and perhaps a ton less hand holding that the series has become.
Wait, Mario Story? I thought the game was originally going to be called Super Mario RPG2 or something. I remember it was supposed to be a sequel but it eventually was changed to Paper Mario instead.
I think that's closer to the Mario & Luigi games, which are much more explicitly spiritual successors to Super Mario RPG in japan, called "Mario & Luigi RPG" with similar box art design
Mario Story is the final japanese name of the N64 game with the internal name being Super Mario RPG 2 as seen on an unused testmap. Later games went with the Paper Mario thing for some reason, maybe inspired by the localizations already calling the first game as such.
No reason not to continue all of them. I'm including Super Mario RPG in this, they can even let Square Enix make it again with one of the third-party studios they collaborate with.
Exactly. I don't know why people think about this like it has to be one or the other.
It seems like they're unaware that people want Paper Mario to be an RPG series. Do they not see the negative feedback?
It's not the negative feedback that's the problem. It's why Nintendo or Intelligent System changed them in the first place when starting with Super, they dumped the whole Turned-Based RPG like the first 2 Paper Mario games have and goes in different direction. They should've never, ever changed that.
@@jaretco6423 The guy in charge of the games said that he wants every game to be unique or something. You can look it up. It's really weird.
We always talk about Mario RPGs, but we should be pushing Nintendo for a Zelda RPG! I want Paper Zelda damn it.............😅 that's an idea for a new Paper Mario. Have them enter a portal that transports them to Hyrule........
Paper Mario is the best!
Do we really want three teams pumping out Mario RPGs till the end of time when they could be working on something new and fresh? Like at the very least I want a truly NEW Mario RPG and not a remake or sequel. But a NEW IP would be much better.
@@xenobrina7880 The Mario and Rabbids games.
@@kiddkd7242 Yes after six copy and pasted Mario and Luigi games, we got one actually fresh idea. And they were both good! Sparks of Hope even expanded on the first games formula in meaningful ways, which is rare for this sub-series. But those games are certainly dead with the director leaving Ubisoft.
Also I do not understand how "I want more new Mario RPGs" is such a hot take lmao
Secret boss in mario rpg 2 shd b Jack from Stranger of Paradise
Hopefully Nintendo can get the Rabbids IP away from Ubisoft, and ideally rehire the original developers, so that Mario + Rabbids can continue
I would love that. But it probably won't happened and if it did, they could be a while though.
@@jaretco6423 It's a long shot, but I've heard rumors that Ubisoft might sell some of their IPs, if the next Assassin's Creed flops
Let Mario and Luigi rest in peace
as for Mario+Rabbids the series is dead BUT perhaps one day they'll get a team to do more Mario themed XCOM games without the Rabbids since they stay with Ubisoft... like I liked the Rabbids in both games I feel like most people won't miss them and it would be a opportunity to have more actual Mario cast playable like Wario and Bowser Jr instead of like Rabbid versions of the characters
I hope that's the case. But than again, Nintendo might find a way to get the Rabbids IP and make another games afterwards. If not, than I wouldn't mind another Tactical RPG Mario game without the Rabbids. Although it might cause the fans to outcry since the Tactical RPG series is for Mario & Rabbids.
The guy who works on Paper Mario sounds super dumb. He changes the battle system each game because he wants each game to be unique.
Also, who at Nintendo isn't letting them alter the Mario enemies? That's a stupid rule.
What happened with Rabbids?
My guess is that they don't consider the Mario+Rabbids as Mario RPG's. I have heard plenty of people say they're indeed part of Mario RPG's but there are some saying that it isn't and is an entirely different thing
Should a name convey what something is? I mean a lot of games don't say their genre. It's not really important for the name to say the genre.
We know mario + rabbids is dead but the rest are here to stay most likely
We will likely see maybe an rpg more in the vein of ttyd since nintendo knows there is a demand for it
Don't know about Mario & Luigi. With how poorly Brothership sales, getting mixed reviews & development trouble with Sony, it might not come back for a long time.
How about a new RPG? Gimme Mario Tactics ala FF Tactics/Advanced. Better yet, make it Nintendo Tactics (or w.e name would be fitting) and have multiple of Nintendo's IPs join in!
We have that. It's called Mario + Rabbids.
"rpg" Nintendo doesn't know what that means anymore for a new game
TTYD!!!!!!
Make a sequel to the goddamn original super Mario RPG that was always the best one and these spin offs are all crap
I believe Mario and Luigi sold poorly, which sucks. I do like all 3. I just need to nake time to finish them. I wonder if Nintendo eill pick another franchise to make an rpg spinoff. Kirby would be cool or even Yoshi.
Isn’t too soon to say the game sold poorly? It just came Out two months ago!
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Sales only go down from there. Last I checked, it was selling only above Paper Jam, which is unfortunate.
@@lizard81288Well if Mario + Rabbids: Sparks of Hope can make a comeback, I'm pretty sure Mario & Luigi: Brothership can do the same. But who knows? It was just bad timing when it was released.
@@jaretco6423 If I remember well, Sparks of Hope came out during a crowded time. Sonic Frontiers and God of War Ragnarok came out during that time so it got lost in the crowd.
@juanluismendoza8655 And Pokemon Scarlet & Violet. But yeah. That & there's been alot of shenanigans happening over at Ubisoft that causes many people skipping it. It did get sold alot more a year after it's released. But still. Back when it was out, the game sold pretty poorly.
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Brothership was a bad game
Personally I don't care about Mario RPG games. They are super boring and repetitive. Terrible writing. Awful art design. Wouldn't mind if Nintendo kills the series.
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I rather play the Mario RPG'S over almost every RPG series like Final Fantasy and such. There much more repetitive & boring.
I wasn't too impressed with Mario & Luigi: Brothership