Okay, so is it tacky to leave the first comment on your own video? There were a couple of things I didn't mention (I knew the video was running a bit long) but here goes: the variety 'Complicata' that I showed late in the video is a strong grower on its own roots, and roots from cuttings fairly easily - so I have no idea why the supplier would have grafted instead. Also, I should mention that when dealing with some garden roses that sucker heavily on their own roots (I'm thinking of 'Charles de MIlls', Gallica officinalis) it would be some advantage to graft them onto a less "suckery" rootstock.
Hello Fraser Valley Rose Farm/ Jason, I like to watch your RUclips and learned many things about roses. A question for you: Are all own root roses have 3 and 5 leaflets? Is it possible that own root roses have 7 leaflet? Thank you very much!
Thank you for the informative video. - Once, I bought nice yellow roses, I believe, there was floribunda rose with nice yellow flowers. I planted it in full sun very close to the lawn . At that moment, I had no idea about grafted roses. Soon after, my husband who cut the grass, accidentally cut this rose bush up to the root with the grass. I thought it had never got back . However, for a while this rose began to grow and it became look like a wild very dark small red rose nothing similar to what I bought. I was surprised and disappointed. After reading about grafted roses, I understood that what I bought and I decided never to buy again grafted roses. -
@@lilylubarsky1933 The red rose that came up is likely Dr. Huey understock, mainly used for grafting tender roses. Multiflora is more ideal for growing tenders in cold climates.
I've gardened with roses for years and had various results (ended up buying only rugosas after some losses). But now that I'm in the second year of landscaping my first house, I've taken a greater interest in them. It started with some potted roses I bought for 90 percent off one November. They had to go through a polar vortex in the Midwest that occurred several weeks after planting, but that Summer the three of them filled my side garden with beautiful blooms ('Music Box' showed beautiful color changes from bud, to bloom, to withering away). Anyway, after some frustrating web page searches for basic rose info, I decided to look for videos about bare vs grafted plants. And this video taught me so much, made it seem so simple. It's rare to find a RUclips video that can concisely and quickly deliver the facts you need in an easy to understand manner. This video had it in spades. Also, thanks for not making me wait first through a subscription plea!
Hey there! Just a quick comment to say thanks for your no nonsense, highly informative videos... Love watching them, and always look forward to the next one! Keep up the great work!
Thank you for your videos. I've been binge watching you. You are very knowledgeable and articulate, Jason. Very easy to follow, no dramatic presentation but not boring either. You have that true educator's trade!
this was the most thorough and intelligent explanation of rose grafting issues. I have been racking my brain trying to figure out why my plant all of a sudden shoots a different variety leaves and flowers. Thank you!
I've grown Canadian roses for years when you plant them you have flowers that same season. When I sold my house 15 years later they all was still doing very well I should have dug them all up and took them with me to the new house since seller dug them all up .
Just a comment here on my experience growing old garden roses in cold zones of Ontario, with the bud union/graft planted 3" below the ground in areas comprised of sandy loam... Established damasks and gallicas grafted on multiflora understock will eventually form roots ABOVE that graft and reject the understock altogether. They will throw runners above the graft as well. Tender roses like hybrid teas, floribundas, HP's, bourbons, David Austins, etc., require the support of a hardy understock as they typically can't survive frozen winters on their natural roots. With their bud unions buried deep for protection, they don't adequately root above the graft in cold zones. There are roses (ie; Agriculture Canada) that do suffer cane damage in winter, however; their natural root system survives solid frozen ground and puts out new growth each spring. In certain cases, pimpinellifolia and spinossissima hybrids are known to be grafted (for mass production) because they fail to root easy, despite their reputation for having the ultimate cane and root hardiness. Depending on soil type, there's a good chance that a tip hardy grafted rose will eventually reject its understock and root itself above the bud union. Pallatine claims to bud graft its old garden types on laxa. I believe Pickering's had been on multiflora.
I very much appreciate ALL of your teaching videos. I was introduced to roses as a small girl in my grandfather's garden. Rose Love!! You have enhanced my knowledge greatly. Thank you for all you are doing to educate! Some days... I binge your videos 😉 🌹 Bless you and your passion for everything roses.
Hello! I’m from Italy ( near Milan, the northest big city ) and I love roses. The major european rosaist breeder ( kordes, austin, meilland, poulsen and so many other ) reproduce and sell their roses in europe by grafting. There are some big plant nursery that reproduce and sell ( legally certified ) roses own roots from these rosaist; we have a big possibility of choice! In my experience, own roots roses are better FOR THE GARDEN not only for the assence of Wild suckering ( the maintenance is lowered ) and the longevity, but the roses own roots can make a better full plant with many canes and branches that sprout from the roots. Don’t remove them! I think that if your soil has no problem with nematodes, own roots roses are better plant! If a rose is a vigorous one variety, go own roots. Here in north Italy the majority of the shrub rose ( rugosas, hybrid musk, austin, old european roses once flowering or repeating ) are sufficiently vigorous to grow on own roots. I noticed that even kordes roses like parfuma serie, that are hybrid tea and floribunda, are more vigorous from the average hybrid tea and floribunda, and make a wonderful plant on own roots ( exactly like a vigorous austin rose ). In my garden I have the generous gardener, scepter d’isle, Gertrude jekyll, grossherzogin louise/spicy parfuma, louise odier, buff beauty that are higher and wider that a man!!! I swear❤ In the their 3-5 years they love horticoltural cares ( like a lot of good organic matters and mulch ) but when they are adult plant, they are unstoppable. They are like the other flowering shrub of the garden and not difficult plants to care!!!!! I love your videos! All the best!😘
i just discover your channel and i love it. I know that you came to hate retail, but you have to say, they gave you great qualities you would only get through the corporate vibe.
I'm just learning about this and the mystery about the red/yellow rose that just blossomed when I "could've sworn" I didn't buy this color, has been solved! You explained everything so wonderfully here and have been a big help. Thank you🌹. (And here I thought the store jipped me by selling the wrong rose...).
Wow ... Jason, u've answered so many questions here for me !!! This is all very new for me , I purchased two climbing roses last yr and they have been putting out sooooo many suckers ( so annoying ) now I understand why 😳 !!! After watching this video I'm so mad that producers would sell a plant that causes this kind of annoyance .. t was not a bargain either but hopefully the blooms will make it all worthwhile 😁 . Thank - u for the lesson 👍 .
Esses seus argumentos são preciosos, parabéns. Você conseguiu pensar fora do tradicional e ver o valor do natural. Comprei umas rosas e já estou enraizando uns cortes. Muito obrigado, o seu trabalho é realmente diferenciado.
I've had grafted roses like 'Paul Noël' and 'Perpétue et Félicité' simply root themselves in various places by their own, they "rambled" on the ground and where the canes were sheltered from the direct sun they developed roots in the soil and start from that point to produce new canes acting as own root rose while still connected to the grafted rose. This was not done intentionally nor was any thought at any point that the canes might root here and there on the soil.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Great, informative video. I planted 5 yellow rugosas about 10 feet apart, wanting to eventually have a hedge. One of them grew wine-red roses this summer after a hard winter and I realized the plant was grafted. The plants didn't sucker, just stayed put. Can I bury the ends of canes to get the top stock to spread in the soil?
Noticed there seems to be so much debate recently about own root and grafted. My take has always been it depends. Depends on what you are going for, what you need etc. Something you did miss on the grafted side was disease resistance, which is why I chose grafted for my fruit trees (Also we have fruit salad trees to help with lower land space). Most of the rootstocks they are grafted on are disease resistant to a lot of the stuff we have here locally. Which I think is great, here in Australia, we don't have the same diseases as the US and in turn, are different from Europe. So you can tailor your tree. Also for things like apples and pears, you have zero choice but to graft. That said, something you didn't mention on the own root side, is at least from seed, if you grow it in the position it will stay in, aka not pot. Then it will grow the strongest roots it ever will. Any growing in pots will always damage roots, either in the pot or when planted into the ground. But if you plant the seed in position, its the best way, although for nearly everything will take years to get to a good size. I am in the process of growing a rootstock to make a multi graft of 3 varieties of pears. Mainly to see if I can do it, or learn something new.
I’m on a Fraser Valley Rose vid binge this week 😂. I notice that with my own root roses, they like to send out “summer” canes all the way from the bottom which produce thicker and bigger leaves. Typical grafted roses does not do that and when they do, it’s considered as suckers. The best alternate method is to re-graft the sucker instead of pulling them out.
It is difficult to purchase own root roses here in Australia. Having said that, I have found an organic nursery that sells Cecile Brunner, Duchess de Brabant and Multibilis (I don't think that is correct spelling) on their own roots.
My brother told me couple of weeks ago that his roses has grown gigantic in two years. Couldn’t believe so I went to see and found that root stock has made a jungle and I could not even find the grafted roses in side.
yes..own roots all the way..the only time i except grafted is if i cant find own root...the only other time might be for a climber. Ramblers are good on own root but climbers being modern mostly can be shy on height if own root,,,the root stock seems to boost the climber to , well climb ..but if you would rather have it shrub size then own it....i landscaped 3/4 an acer around my parents home in the 90s and early 2000s..i had 1,986 roses with only a repeat of mabe 10 and then only one repeat...old garden roses- OGR, hardy shrub, rugosa hybrids, species, climbers/ramblers, David Austins of course, and some FL, HT and GR...one thing i found in my zone 5b garden is i lost alot at first that where supposed to be hardy...so i looked at it this way..since old roses grow in their won roots and the bud union is the weak leak , then burry them...so i started planting the bud union 4 to 5 inches below soil level and with much that could be 1 to 2 inches more...after that i didnt loose a single rose that was rated hardy in my zone period!....I did like to flirt with some that where zone 6 or 7 hardy in micro climates and i lots a few on colder winters, but in all i was very happy...now so many more are own root and i try to get as many as i can find...but still i have to get a few grafted....oh yes the suckers, i had a root stock sucker on a Conrad F Meyer, a hybrid rugosa, and cutting it out was, well that kind of language ill let you fill in....but on the up side roses that do sucker will do so if planted the way i did, and i was able to give friends babies of old roses and rugosa hybrids..i had an Alba semi-plena send out a sucker in just 1 year..i let it do its own thing and i had a HUGE bush in a few years...sadly where i was able to find the majority of my roses has gone out of business, Pickering Roses, possibly one of the largest retail sellers to exist defiantly in the Americas and possibly the world!...if you havent seen their catalog i feel sorry for you, it was a wonder to behold...i hope this has encouraged some colder climate people to try the deep planting system...if you give them a good home, roses are like anything else..they will stay and be happy
Just genetics - some of the wild roses have 7, 9 or even up to 15 leaflets. Most modern hybrid have 5, though - which drops to 3 higher up on a flowering stem
Hi Jason in my opinion because of your videos you're an expert on roses. So by chance could you tell me or do a video on making your own rose trees are tree roses. I have been trying at myself and I've had some success with the shoots that come up from the rootstock but the rootstock stem still produces Bud's that grow into climbing roses. I would greatly appreciate it get back to me as soon as you can. Thank you Phil
Thanks Philip. I appreciate your vote of confidence. I have some expertise on growing roses - but I don't do much of anything with grafting. I see grafting vids (like this one: ruclips.net/video/WpyJDV6782Y/видео.html ) of experienced growers, and it's amazing how easy they make it look. Have you only worked with the one rootstock? I've tried multiflora and it didn't sucker too badly once I rubbed off the lower buds.
I like roses with own root. For my experience there can be only one problem. If rose variation not tolerant for drought that can be problem. But If you lives at home you will water that rose. So I continue to plant and propagate roses with own root. And off course own rooted roses will live a lot longer then grafted. When I see some old tree it's look amazing, rose also.
Thanks for your insights - I have a pretty "rose friendly" climate and soil, but I've heard that a stronger rootstock can be a real advantage in more difficult growing environments. Take care!
Having mucked with roses a bit, and only just began watching this... grafted roses are good for mass production of same roses for commercial market and also handy for some of the fancier hybrid roses that are insanely hard to keep alive as a true rose where a grafted version is more resilient. Otherwise true root roses are brilliant, even more so if you want to muck around and hybridise some out for your own enjoyment.
All true. I've found that for a handful of the varieties in my collection, they'll never thrive on their own roots - but I suppose that's climate-specific too. Thanks for your thoughts!
Very informative video as usual Jason. What brought me here was seeing footage of Golden Celebration and Abraham Darby grafted. I have both of those roses own root for at least 3 years and have yet to see the ridiculously large blooms that they're known for. Meanwhile, someone with grafted versions have not only beautiful, very lush and sturdy foliage, but freakin humongous blooms and buds! It made me wonder if those varieties just aren't as good on their own roots, or if I'm just being impatient.
As for Abraham Darby, I think it's just a matter of patience: my well established own-root Abe's are plenty vigorous. I'm sure I could have gotten there faster with a grafted rose though
Thanks for this video. I bought a lot of rootstock originally to try grafting but my main issue is that it seems to be very difficult to do. Own root is easier to do. I now have about 100 rootstock in the back garden which I’ll probably try again on next year when they’re more established but I don’t think I’ll be buying anymore.
Thanks. I've seen experienced people doing it, and they make it look easy. I've done a little - but I'm slow and clumsy at it compared to taking cuttings. Maybe with experience I'll get the knack for it! Best luck with your roses!
The short answer is yes. Anything that impacts the overall health and vigor of the rose will factor into bloom quality. Generally, a good sized grafted rose on the right rootstock for your area will outperform a young own-root rose. Long-term, an own-root rose (depending on the variety) can catch up and surpass the grafted rose. YMMV
I also prefer own-root roses. Here in FL our sandy soil is infested with nematodes, and the roses we have available are typically on Dr. Huey or Fortuniana root stock. Can any rose be budded to any root stock? Louis Phillippe grows readily here, and propagates easily. I wonder if it could be used as a root stock for something else.
Hi Mary T. Good point. Yes, in general if a variety is a strong grower it can be used as a rootstock. And if Louis Phillippe copes well with your local pests, it sounds promising.
Hi Mary, I know this is an old comment but I'm also in Florida and have only ever had fortuniana grafted roses. Well I just impulsively bought a David Austin James Galway rose and an Heirloom Awakening, both climbers and both on their own roots. Well they were VERY expensive and now I'm panicking because they are own root. I can't seem to find a lot of people who prefer own root roses in FL to ask for advice. Do you think they'll do okay? Do you have own root roses that do good here, aside from the Louis Philippe? Any suggestions or guidance would be appreciated. I'm in central Fl, (Citrus county) 🌹🥀
@@Divinestyler22 Congrats on your new rose. All my roses are own root, many that I have started from cuttings. Most of them have done fine. I have a couple that I think are d austin and they are doing well for about 4 yrs now. I add compost when I plant them and keep them well mulched - I use aged horse manure in pine shavings - and keep them watered. I think yours will be fine.
Robert H none, from what I have heard and read (though its been a while )roses, much like apples,do not produce identical offspring. They have 100s-1000s of possible outcomes. This is why roses are made from clippings. You can grow from seed for the experience and surprise though as long as you are prepared for it not to be like the parent plant.
All true, except I do think there is some value in starting some of the species types (rugosa, rubrifolia, moyesii, etc) if those are the kinds you're after. Otherwise, yes, most are quite variable from seed - so "for the experience and surprise" should be your only expectation.
It’s not bad that the root build suckers. In this case you can root a branch from the sucker and you can graft the top part of the rose on it. So you can clone your graftet rose. 21.7.24
interesting. i inherited a garden from the previous tennant and dont know what types of roses there are. i let them all bloom and decided theres only two i would keep. i suspected the landlord cut them all down to the ground and the rootstock replaced the originals but i think there might be some sucker action going on too. i will be a bit more brazen about cutting them back
Hi Jason! Thank you very much for your great videos and for your advise. I would like to propagate my favorite rose - rosa Double Delight from cuttings. The scent is amazing and I absolutely love this rose. I don´t mind waiting for the blooms longer but in this video you called this variery "weak". Should I give a try or rather buy this variety grafted?
I think grafted is the way to go (based on my personal experience) - it's one of a handful of roses I've never been able to grow well as own-root. Also Distant Drums and Nostalgie. There are definitely others, but those are the ones that come to mind.
HI, thanks for uploading such an informative video about how deep should we bury the crown for a grafted rose. For the same I wrote to David Austin experts and they said to bury the crown 1 to 2 inches below the ground level. But still I had the question what if scion develops its own roots, then the purpose of grafting technique is gone a bit (the same you clarified here, thanks). Regarding the suckers it is clear that they should be removed carefully by digging down to the root. But what if we get new scion shots development above or on the crown, should we remove them too or they are considered to be as bonus scion shots. My second question is, can we get the same beautiful flower verities from the own root plants as we get by the grafting technique. Like David Austin’s Gertrude Jekyll is available in both and they claim it similar in characteristics and quality.
Burying low is a pretty common recommendation - yes, I've seen examples where the scion roots itself, and I probably would take a relaxed attitude towards it. More roots are generally better, right? It does kind of defeat the presumed benefits of grafting in a way, but it's not like the rootstock variety stops expanding its reach either. If you had an own-root suck, yes - I'd definitely take that as a bonus! Will the own-root perform similarly to grafted? It depends on the variety. I've found that many of my own roses (propagated from grafted, but taken as own root cuttings) work out to be similar in vigor to the grafted parents if given enough time. There are a few that are weak on their own roots. So it's going to be a matter of trial and error.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thanks for the early response and further clarification. So i am actually convinced to plant a grafted bare root rose at the ground level as you said in the video. This way it is easy to decide that any new development below the graft union should be removed and keep any new branches coming out above the crown.
I wanted to buy firefighter from your farm but it says grafted, also fragrant cloud and distant drums are grafted too. Would you suggest I just buy it and then slowing propagate it from the stems the next year and then get my own root rose from a grafted rose? Or maybe these varieties just sucks on their own roots?
Hi Jason. I have a rose that used to have large white blooms but now has small five petal red blooms. I have since learned that it was probably not growing on it's own roots. My question is: Will it regrow the grafted white rose if I keep the suckers below the bud union cut back? Thanks for your helpful videos. Bee
I recently bought a house with a few rose bushes on the property. One of the rose bushes has a huge thick stem (maybe 4 inches across). Anyways, I notice that 2 different types of roses grow from what seems to be the same spot, but one side is much thicker and is full of cream/pink flowers (sometimes totally pink sometimes totally cream). On the other side is a consistently pink rose bush with maybe 3 lanky stems on it - these look gorgeous and smell heavenly but I only get maybe 3 blooms a year. Is there any way to bring this plant back? I'm concerned that if I cut off the "sucker" that the plant wont have enough leaves on it to survive.. Can you advise?
I'd be very tempted to take cuttings from the proper scion variety first (just in case it goes wrong), but yes, I'd look to eliminate the rootstock sucker completely. Otherwise, it's just taking up nutrients (and space) from your scion.
Could you make a video about how to do to potted roses that sort of outgrow the pots but you just can't grow them in the ground or give them bigger pots anymore? I heard of their performance would decline and die eventually. Is this true?
Thanks for the suggestion, and I'll add it to my list. I think your option after that is to treat it a little bit like a bonsai, and engage in pruning of both the top growth and the roots. This may not keep it happy forever, but might buy a couple more repottings.
Just started collecting roses last year so still learning the basics! More familiar with peonies, specifically tree peonies. They are typically grafted, sometimes on the other tree peony roots but more often onto the storage root of a herbaceous peony, mainly lactifloras because they aren’t known to be adventitious. After several years the tree peony will grow its own root and the herbaceous root will rot away. Does anything like that ever happen to grafted roses?
Yes, with a bit of work! Sometimes the suckers can be difficult to fully eliminate though. If it's a common variety, you might consider replacement as an easier solution. If it's rare/special, you might also consider learning to propagate the scion variety from cuttings. Then it'll be on its own roots, and no more suckers ever!
This video is spot on! I’ve been researching either buying own root or grafted for an upcoming DA order. I’ve had people tell me either is fine but I do not want to be dealing with Dr. Huey suckers…….ever. I bought 4 DA roses in 3 gallon pots last year from a local nursery and they were phenomenal. All before I realized there was a difference in own root and grafted. I relocated one of them recently and took pictures of the rootstock but I cannot tell if it is own root or grafted. Is there a way to send you a picture so you can help me figure it out? Also do you know if there are varieties of DA roses that are only sold exclusively as bare root? I am after Oliva Rose Austin but I don’t want to purchase grafted of this variety.
Understanding you have a lot of experience. If you don’t mind me giving some advice you need to rip it with pliers rather than cut the suckers. Rather than promote growth with pruning, twisting and ripping will for one create dieback or at least slow the process of promoting growth. You can also cap that rip with glue, white wash paste or some other form of healing to prevent disease and insects from entering.
Hi @fraser vally rose farm. I want some tips for growth as you are gaining. Your roses are amazing but i have a question for you. Which type of soil mixture you used in your rose plant which you shown at 01:46 & what is the rose name ? Give me fertilizer name that you are using on your rose plants.
Hi Jason, I am going completely off topic here. I live in New Zealand and we are at the start of blooming time. I watched your video on aphids and have been taking your advice on not spraying. ‘Digital ‘ control is good, for most roses. Our problem is black spot. I am being pressured to spray to reduce it. What would your advice be?
Hi Elisabeth. Here's a link to the vid I made on the topic: ruclips.net/video/ulx5GyaHAZg/видео.html just for my general thoughts. More specifically, I find the most important measures in order to be: 1) resistant varieties (not much use in your case without a time machine) 2) pruning for good air circulation 3) removal of infected material from the plant and the ground below within the growing season 4) winter sanitation and fresh mulch to reduce early reinfection 5) bordeaux mix or copper spray over winter to reduce overwintering spores on stems 6) active season sprays of neem or baking soda/horticultural oil mix (or other fungicides per your own judgement) as an early preventive. Notice I focus on reducing risk and severity, because complete prevention and control is unrealistic with the spores absolutely everywhere. I also came across some info that MKP fertilizer (monpotassium phosphate) applied as a foliar feed may help reduce infection as well.
I've always grown grafted hybrid tea roses, but next spring I think I may order a couple of own root roses. Have you ordered any from Heirloom Rose's? Thanks, John
Hi Jason again…. Do own root roses throw up suckers? I’ve an own rooted rose .. 2 years ago just replanted it in the garden and now looks like it’s throwing up 4/5 suckers … ? They’re lovey deep red and healthy … help. Many thanks B
Is there a way to tell if my roses I planted last year are own root or grafted without completely digging them up? Should I just pull away the dirt to see if there is a graft union or not? Also I’ll be trying to purchase some roses this year from a nursery that will be in 3 gallon pots, can I do the same thing, pull the dirt away to confirm own root or not?
We should do that. I'd love to be able to pool propagation info with other growers and hobbyist so that I'm not wasting my time on "weak rooted" varieties.
I can tell you some varieties I've done well with - easy ones like 'Royal William', 'Fellowship', 'Heirloom', 'America', 'Don Juan', 'Iceberg' (climbing and shrub), 'Morden Sunrise', 'Ballerina', 'Robin Hood', 'Sally Holmes'. Generally, I can also say that if you see one of the other large suppliers offering a variety own-root, that's a decent confirmation that it's easy to propagate from cuttings.
Hi, can you tell me any GOOD roses to do own-root roses that are not patented that I can start my own rose garden to sell in a few years time please? I'm new to roses, but are fascinated to get some roses going myself. So are there any that I can reproduce without issues? We are in Suffolk UK. Really appreciate your knowledge and advice. Thanks Jo
Maybe start with Fellowship, Sally Holmes, Belinda's Dream, Heirloom, Laura Ford if you can get your hands on it. You may have to follow the local market a bit - and see what local buyers respond well too. Any popular older varieties still in the trade locally.
For years I have looked to canes that did not have any thorns on them - they would be suckers. This year one of my roses shot out a couple long vigorous canes with plenty of thorns from the union (not below) but will not bloom. Do you know or are you aware of any root stock or ramblers that have thorns?
I don't know all the rootstock varieties well (I don't work with them much - I just have R. multiflora f. inermis, which is thornless) - but you also describe these as coming from the union, which could just make them "blind shoots" of the scion variety. Blind shoots are abnormally long vegetative shoots that occur for reasons we don't completely understand. Is the scion variety similarly thorny?
"Blind shoots"? I will have to research this some. Yes the leaves and the thorns are identical to the scion but the canes are about seven feet long. arching and don't bud. You can imagine my confusion. Thank you for the tip, the more I think I know about roses the more I realize my ignorance.
The rose bush I want was sold out. I saw another place has the rose bush I want, but is grafted. Can I just buy the grafted rose bush that is available and get the cuttings to create an own rooted rose bush? Hope you understand my question.
Yes, it sounds perfectly reasonable to establish own-root cuttings from a grafted rose. As a technicality, if the rose is still under patent protection (less than 20 years on the market) propagation is prohibited, but you wouldn't be doing it for profit. You'd be just looking to have an own-root specimen of the rose you already bought.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thank you for the info. Yes, I only want to grow one or two of those for my enjoyment, not for profit. Not always have a green thumb to grow from cuttings, but I will try.
Hi Jason. Hope all has been well on the farm. I have been wondering I cannot recall seeing it. Do you attempt to propagate your suckers growing from your grafted roses to add for future grafting material ?
Hi Jason, I have rocky sandy loam soil in my Connecticut(zone 7a) house. The winter temperatures sometimes go down to -8/ -9 degree F. I found a nursery in California selling the Yves Piaget rose which is grafted to Dr. Huey rootstock. It is 2 years old rose bush. I just wanted your opinion whether this rose will do well in my weather and my sandy soil. Or should I buy ownroot Yves Piaget rose from another nursery.Please advice.
Dr. Huey is pretty cold tolerant and adaptable across a wide range of soil types. If course, I do prefer own-root in general but I don't see it as an obstacle to take a grafted rose and then later strike cuttings if I'm set on growing the rose on its own roots. Yves Piaget is past the patent period too.
I still have a little bit of confusion so which one do you reccomend grafted roses or own root roses? and what species of rose is that when you showed in the starting of the video
I think the red one at the beginning of the video was Olympiad. It's not really a matter of "better" or "worse" just different. I don't like the risk of rootstock suckers, so I always go for the own-root roses when I have a choice.
Hi Junis. Nice. I'd only prune lightly unless the plant is way out of shape and really needs it. Otherwise, it may benefit from more time to establish roots before any heavier pruning.
Hello from London Jason.. i have a question Please.. i got liquid tomato feed for my roses .. i wonder if that will give them the boost they need to get going & stay healthy…as my childminder used to use tomato grow bags for her extremely healthy house plants.. i thought this feed might be ok for roses too.. thanks Jason
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thanks Jason , you’re a gem.. it was given to all my David Austin roses 2 days ago in big pots & didn’t want them gone.. they’d cost me an arm a leg in 2016..i’d planted them in rose tree & shrub compost .. i give them maximum attention as much as Timmy the cat gets
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I went a bit nuts with rose feed by miracle grow last yr. but luckily heavy rain drained it out of the pots so i’m glad you say in moderation
Jason, are there any resources for finding out which rose varieties are strong on their own roots/weak? I’d like to try cloning roses again, I’ve gone through at least 4 dozen failures
Other than just sharing information with other growers (esp. in your own region and soil) there's nothing comprehensive that I know of. For what it's worth, I've only found something like a half doze truly hopeless roses for growing own-root (in my collection of 300 or so)
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I found this Canada agriculture document about roses that do well in Canada’s climate publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2015/aac-aafc/A53-1922-2004-eng.pdf It says that most of these varieties are easily propagated by softwood cuttings. Maybe you will find this interesting.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm the electronic version doesn’t have the info about propagation, but it’s the same varieties as the microfilm version I found. My goal is to try to collect these Canada hardy varieties and breed them.
It's a personal choice, but for me, when I've chosen to grow a particular variety, it's because I like the size, shape, color and fragrance of the flowers. If the flowers on the suckers don't share those qualities, they don't fit my plan.
So, the cheap roses they sell every spring at Walmart or farm stores are more likely to be grafted roses? I’m guilty of buying a couple. They’re the ones performing in this fashion. Hilarious actually. No worries. I now get my roses from an own root company now in Colorado. Have to say I was baffled until this video. Thank you Jason.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I just saw this and I have a big smile! Of course you knew I was talking about High Country. Here I thought I was being discreet. Lol! I’m so comforted to know you approve them. So, could you mention Crackling Fire to them? Thanks😉
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I just saw this and I have a big smile! Of course you knew I was talking about High Country. Here I thought I was being discreet. Lol! I’m so comforted to know you approve them. So, could you mention Crackling Fire to them? Thanks😉
It's not always marked. Many of the grafted roses have that very prominent (enlarged) graft union showing, while own-root roses have a more natural looking crown.
I love your videos! I i’ve watched many of them before, but this one came up in a search because I am having a problem with a grafted knockout rose tree. I don’t typically buy knockout roses and this is my only grafted rose. It is sending up a crazy amount of suckers. And I did not cut them back at first because I was curious if I could possibly end up with a new kind of rose from the rootstock. But they do not seem to be budding out at all even though I have let them get quite long. Whatever it is appears to be a climbing rose with flexible canes. Is it possible to let them continue growing and see what kind of rose these knockout roses were grafted onto?
Yes, you might be able to ID the rootstock, but it could take another season: some of the species they graft onto (like r. canina or r. multiflora) are once-blooming on old wood, meaning yr 1 growth will bloom in yr 2
Thank you! That did not occur to me. I’d have to pretty invested to wait to next year as they already taller than me and taking up a good amount of room. I’ll see how in the way they get before then. Thanks again!
ok thanks, this website sells them. forloveofroses.com/ but they did not ship them overseas. Can you get one from them and make a video on this rose. Love From INDIA
😅oh no. For my evil curiosity…I purchased two grafted and two own roots. 😅 good luck to me battles with suckers in the future. Thanks for the useful information!!!
Any roses come in grafted or own root, if you buying from a major supplier it's almost always grafted because it's beneficial to them. You have to ask the person you buying the rose from or have a look at the plant.
Okay, so is it tacky to leave the first comment on your own video? There were a couple of things I didn't mention (I knew the video was running a bit long) but here goes: the variety 'Complicata' that I showed late in the video is a strong grower on its own roots, and roots from cuttings fairly easily - so I have no idea why the supplier would have grafted instead. Also, I should mention that when dealing with some garden roses that sucker heavily on their own roots (I'm thinking of 'Charles de MIlls', Gallica officinalis) it would be some advantage to graft them onto a less "suckery" rootstock.
Hello Fraser Valley Rose Farm/ Jason, I like to watch your RUclips and learned many things about roses. A question for you: Are all own root roses have 3 and 5 leaflets? Is it possible that own root roses have 7 leaflet? Thank you very much!
Thank you for the informative video.
- Once, I bought nice yellow roses, I believe, there was floribunda rose with nice yellow flowers. I planted it in full sun very close to the lawn . At that moment, I had no idea about grafted roses. Soon after, my husband who cut the grass, accidentally cut this rose bush up to the root with the grass. I thought it had never got back . However, for a while this rose began to grow and it became look like a wild very dark small red rose nothing similar to what I bought. I was surprised and disappointed.
After reading about grafted roses, I understood that what I bought and I decided never to buy again grafted roses.
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Fascinating! I’m happy you shared this. The Rose you bought was just a hitchhiker lol!
@@lilylubarsky1933 The red rose that came up is likely Dr. Huey understock, mainly used for grafting tender roses. Multiflora is more ideal for growing tenders in cold climates.
I've gardened with roses for years and had various results (ended up buying only rugosas after some losses). But now that I'm in the second year of landscaping my first house, I've taken a greater interest in them.
It started with some potted roses I bought for 90 percent off one November. They had to go through a polar vortex in the Midwest that occurred several weeks after planting, but that Summer the three of them filled my side garden with beautiful blooms ('Music Box' showed beautiful color changes from bud, to bloom, to withering away).
Anyway, after some frustrating web page searches for basic rose info, I decided to look for videos about bare vs grafted plants. And this video taught me so much, made it seem so simple. It's rare to find a RUclips video that can concisely and quickly deliver the facts you need in an easy to understand manner. This video had it in spades.
Also, thanks for not making me wait first through a subscription plea!
Thanks for all the feedback. Happy to help!
I am in total agreement with you on own root roses . I just got tired of suckers appearing on my grafted roses.
Hey there! Just a quick comment to say thanks for your no nonsense, highly informative videos... Love watching them, and always look forward to the next one! Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the encouragement Marthin!
Thank you for your videos. I've been binge watching you. You are very knowledgeable and articulate, Jason. Very easy to follow, no dramatic presentation but not boring either. You have that true educator's trade!
Thanks. I very much appreciate your encouragement.
this was the most thorough and intelligent explanation of rose grafting issues. I have been racking my brain trying to figure out why my plant all of a sudden shoots a different variety leaves and flowers. Thank you!
My pleasure Mary! Thanks for watching
Wow thank you so much you learn something new everyday
I've grown Canadian roses for years when you plant them you have flowers that same season. When I sold my house 15 years later they all was still doing very well I should have dug them all up and took them with me to the new house since seller dug them all up .
Great explanation. Grafted roses are so tempting because as you said, instant gratification, but it’s not worth the downsides.
Just a comment here on my experience growing old garden roses in cold zones of Ontario, with the bud union/graft planted 3" below the ground in areas comprised of sandy loam...
Established damasks and gallicas grafted on multiflora understock will eventually form roots ABOVE that graft and reject the understock altogether. They will throw runners above the graft as well.
Tender roses like hybrid teas, floribundas, HP's, bourbons, David Austins, etc., require the support of a hardy understock as they typically can't survive frozen winters on their natural roots. With their bud unions buried deep for protection, they don't adequately root above the graft in cold zones.
There are roses (ie; Agriculture Canada) that do suffer cane damage in winter, however; their natural root system survives solid frozen ground and puts out new growth each spring.
In certain cases, pimpinellifolia and spinossissima hybrids are known to be grafted (for mass production) because they fail to root easy, despite their reputation for having the ultimate cane and root hardiness.
Depending on soil type, there's a good chance that a tip hardy grafted rose will eventually reject its understock and root itself above the bud union. Pallatine claims to bud graft its old garden types on laxa. I believe Pickering's had been on multiflora.
Thanks very much for your insights!
I am not a gardener...but love learning all the knowledge from you.... thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge
Thanks Hannah
I very much appreciate ALL of your teaching videos. I was introduced to roses as a small girl in my grandfather's garden. Rose Love!! You have enhanced my knowledge greatly. Thank you for all you are doing to educate! Some days... I binge your videos 😉 🌹 Bless you and your passion for everything roses.
So nice to hear Donna! Have a great gardening season
I always learn so much from you. Thanks for making these videos.
Hello!
I’m from Italy ( near Milan, the northest big city ) and I love roses.
The major european rosaist breeder ( kordes, austin, meilland, poulsen and so many other ) reproduce and sell their roses in europe by grafting.
There are some big plant nursery that reproduce and sell ( legally certified ) roses own roots from these rosaist; we have a big possibility of choice!
In my experience, own roots roses are better FOR THE GARDEN not only for the assence of Wild suckering ( the maintenance is lowered ) and the longevity, but the roses own roots can make a better full plant with many canes and branches that sprout from the roots.
Don’t remove them!
I think that if your soil has no problem with nematodes, own roots roses are better plant!
If a rose is a vigorous one variety, go own roots.
Here in north Italy the majority of the shrub rose ( rugosas, hybrid musk, austin, old european roses once flowering or repeating ) are sufficiently vigorous to grow on own roots.
I noticed that even kordes roses like parfuma serie, that are hybrid tea and floribunda, are more vigorous from the average hybrid tea and floribunda, and make a wonderful plant on own roots ( exactly like a vigorous austin rose ).
In my garden I have the generous gardener, scepter d’isle, Gertrude jekyll, grossherzogin louise/spicy parfuma, louise odier, buff beauty that are higher and wider that a man!!!
I swear❤
In the their 3-5 years they love horticoltural cares ( like a lot of good organic matters and mulch ) but when they are adult plant, they are unstoppable.
They are like the other flowering shrub of the garden and not difficult plants to care!!!!!
I love your videos!
All the best!😘
I tookk cuttings of a louis philippe rose this march and the plants that grew from it have done well and have grown with vigor
Nicely done, and good to know about that variety. I haven't tried it before.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm a very good variety that can grow in the tropics and fungus resistant, pest resistant and drought tolerant
i just discover your channel and i love it. I know that you came to hate retail, but you have to say, they gave you great qualities you would only get through the corporate vibe.
I appreciate it - yeah, I lost my enthusiasm for corporate work, but the skills sometimes come in handy.
Thanks for the advice! I was wondering if its worth the trouble to graft.
Very interesting, I grow roses from my own cuttings,and was pondering this very question. Thank you ☺️
I'm just learning about this and the mystery about the red/yellow rose that just blossomed when I "could've sworn" I didn't buy this color, has been solved! You explained everything so wonderfully here and have been a big help. Thank you🌹. (And here I thought the store jipped me by selling the wrong rose...).
Wow ... Jason, u've answered so many questions here for me !!! This is all very new for me , I purchased two climbing roses last yr and they have been putting out sooooo many suckers ( so annoying ) now I understand why 😳 !!! After watching this video I'm so mad that producers would sell a plant that causes this kind of annoyance .. t was not a bargain either but hopefully the blooms will make it all worthwhile 😁 . Thank - u for the lesson 👍 .
I love the roses. And I love your Channel. Thank you so much.
Esses seus argumentos são preciosos, parabéns. Você conseguiu pensar fora do tradicional e ver o valor do natural. Comprei umas rosas e já estou enraizando uns cortes.
Muito obrigado, o seu trabalho é realmente diferenciado.
Thank you, I subscribed your channel because your content is really good, gives me a lot of the knowledge 👍
I've had grafted roses like 'Paul Noël' and 'Perpétue et Félicité' simply root themselves in various places by their own, they "rambled" on the ground and where the canes were sheltered from the direct sun they developed roots in the soil and start from that point to produce new canes acting as own root rose while still connected to the grafted rose.
This was not done intentionally nor was any thought at any point that the canes might root here and there on the soil.
Thanks - sounds like a bramble!
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Great, informative video. I planted 5 yellow rugosas about 10 feet apart, wanting to eventually have a hedge. One of them grew wine-red roses this summer after a hard winter and I realized the plant was grafted. The plants didn't sucker, just stayed put. Can I bury the ends of canes to get the top stock to spread in the soil?
Thanks for the rose knowledge!
Long time no see, i couldnt see my late comments as i have changed my numbers.
Nice video again...
Noticed there seems to be so much debate recently about own root and grafted. My take has always been it depends. Depends on what you are going for, what you need etc.
Something you did miss on the grafted side was disease resistance, which is why I chose grafted for my fruit trees (Also we have fruit salad trees to help with lower land space). Most of the rootstocks they are grafted on are disease resistant to a lot of the stuff we have here locally. Which I think is great, here in Australia, we don't have the same diseases as the US and in turn, are different from Europe. So you can tailor your tree.
Also for things like apples and pears, you have zero choice but to graft.
That said, something you didn't mention on the own root side, is at least from seed, if you grow it in the position it will stay in, aka not pot. Then it will grow the strongest roots it ever will. Any growing in pots will always damage roots, either in the pot or when planted into the ground. But if you plant the seed in position, its the best way, although for nearly everything will take years to get to a good size.
I am in the process of growing a rootstock to make a multi graft of 3 varieties of pears. Mainly to see if I can do it, or learn something new.
Thanks for adding your comments Matthew. 100% agree that it depends on your circumstances and goals.
I’m on a Fraser Valley Rose vid binge this week 😂. I notice that with my own root roses, they like to send out “summer” canes all the way from the bottom which produce thicker and bigger leaves. Typical grafted roses does not do that and when they do, it’s considered as suckers. The best alternate method is to re-graft the sucker instead of pulling them out.
We ve been buying grafted rose plants, which die as you ve explained . I prefer root rose, but difficult to get on market
It is difficult to purchase own root roses here in Australia. Having said that, I have found an organic nursery that sells Cecile Brunner, Duchess de Brabant and Multibilis (I don't think that is correct spelling) on their own roots.
Nice! You can also play around a bit with propagating from cuttings to see if any of your grafted roses grow well on their own roots.
Those roses were tested by Texas A&M and earned the Earthkind designation. They are tough, gorgeous blooms and plants.
Great videos, so interesting. I've been binge watching them, thanks! :)
My brother told me couple of weeks ago that his roses has grown gigantic in two years. Couldn’t believe so I went to see and found that root stock has made a jungle and I could not even find the grafted roses in side.
Agh, what a shame!
yes..own roots all the way..the only time i except grafted is if i cant find own root...the only other time might be for a climber. Ramblers are good on own root but climbers being modern mostly can be shy on height if own root,,,the root stock seems to boost the climber to , well climb ..but if you would rather have it shrub size then own it....i landscaped 3/4 an acer around my parents home in the 90s and early 2000s..i had 1,986 roses with only a repeat of mabe 10 and then only one repeat...old garden roses- OGR, hardy shrub, rugosa hybrids, species, climbers/ramblers, David Austins of course, and some FL, HT and GR...one thing i found in my zone 5b garden is i lost alot at first that where supposed to be hardy...so i looked at it this way..since old roses grow in their won roots and the bud union is the weak leak , then burry them...so i started planting the bud union 4 to 5 inches below soil level and with much that could be 1 to 2 inches more...after that i didnt loose a single rose that was rated hardy in my zone period!....I did like to flirt with some that where zone 6 or 7 hardy in micro climates and i lots a few on colder winters, but in all i was very happy...now so many more are own root and i try to get as many as i can find...but still i have to get a few grafted....oh yes the suckers, i had a root stock sucker on a Conrad F Meyer, a hybrid rugosa, and cutting it out was, well that kind of language ill let you fill in....but on the up side roses that do sucker will do so if planted the way i did, and i was able to give friends babies of old roses and rugosa hybrids..i had an Alba semi-plena send out a sucker in just 1 year..i let it do its own thing and i had a HUGE bush in a few years...sadly where i was able to find the majority of my roses has gone out of business, Pickering Roses, possibly one of the largest retail sellers to exist defiantly in the Americas and possibly the world!...if you havent seen their catalog i feel sorry for you, it was a wonder to behold...i hope this has encouraged some colder climate people to try the deep planting system...if you give them a good home, roses are like anything else..they will stay and be happy
Thanks for sharing your experience Rourke. Almost 2000 roses! That's amazing
What difference detween a seven leave Rose and five leave rose plant
Just genetics - some of the wild roses have 7, 9 or even up to 15 leaflets. Most modern hybrid have 5, though - which drops to 3 higher up on a flowering stem
Hi Jason in my opinion because of your videos you're an expert on roses. So by chance could you tell me or do a video on making your own rose trees are tree roses. I have been trying at myself and I've had some success with the shoots that come up from the rootstock but the rootstock stem still produces Bud's that grow into climbing roses. I would greatly appreciate it get back to me as soon as you can. Thank you Phil
Thanks Philip. I appreciate your vote of confidence. I have some expertise on growing roses - but I don't do much of anything with grafting. I see grafting vids (like this one: ruclips.net/video/WpyJDV6782Y/видео.html ) of experienced growers, and it's amazing how easy they make it look. Have you only worked with the one rootstock? I've tried multiflora and it didn't sucker too badly once I rubbed off the lower buds.
I like roses with own root. For my experience there can be only one problem. If rose variation not tolerant for drought that can be problem. But If you lives at home you will water that rose. So I continue to plant and propagate roses with own root. And off course own rooted roses will live a lot longer then grafted. When I see some old tree it's look amazing, rose also.
Thanks for your insights - I have a pretty "rose friendly" climate and soil, but I've heard that a stronger rootstock can be a real advantage in more difficult growing environments. Take care!
Having mucked with roses a bit, and only just began watching this... grafted roses are good for mass production of same roses for commercial market and also handy for some of the fancier hybrid roses that are insanely hard to keep alive as a true rose where a grafted version is more resilient.
Otherwise true root roses are brilliant, even more so if you want to muck around and hybridise some out for your own enjoyment.
All true. I've found that for a handful of the varieties in my collection, they'll never thrive on their own roots - but I suppose that's climate-specific too. Thanks for your thoughts!
Very informative video as usual Jason. What brought me here was seeing footage of Golden Celebration and Abraham Darby grafted. I have both of those roses own root for at least 3 years and have yet to see the ridiculously large blooms that they're known for. Meanwhile, someone with grafted versions have not only beautiful, very lush and sturdy foliage, but freakin humongous blooms and buds! It made me wonder if those varieties just aren't as good on their own roots, or if I'm just being impatient.
As for Abraham Darby, I think it's just a matter of patience: my well established own-root Abe's are plenty vigorous. I'm sure I could have gotten there faster with a grafted rose though
Thanks for this video. I bought a lot of rootstock originally to try grafting but my main issue is that it seems to be very difficult to do. Own root is easier to do. I now have about 100 rootstock in the back garden which I’ll probably try again on next year when they’re more established but I don’t think I’ll be buying anymore.
Thanks. I've seen experienced people doing it, and they make it look easy. I've done a little - but I'm slow and clumsy at it compared to taking cuttings. Maybe with experience I'll get the knack for it! Best luck with your roses!
This is quite informative. I wonder, is there any difference between the quality of the roses produced by the two types of plants?
The short answer is yes. Anything that impacts the overall health and vigor of the rose will factor into bloom quality. Generally, a good sized grafted rose on the right rootstock for your area will outperform a young own-root rose. Long-term, an own-root rose (depending on the variety) can catch up and surpass the grafted rose. YMMV
Take your point it is always better for the gardener to grow own root
With a few small exceptions, yes, that's definitely my preference.
I also prefer own-root roses. Here in FL our sandy soil is infested with nematodes, and the roses we have available are typically on Dr. Huey or Fortuniana root stock. Can any rose be budded to any root stock? Louis Phillippe grows readily here, and propagates easily. I wonder if it could be used as a root stock for something else.
Hi Mary T. Good point. Yes, in general if a variety is a strong grower it can be used as a rootstock. And if Louis Phillippe copes well with your local pests, it sounds promising.
Hi Mary, I know this is an old comment but I'm also in Florida and have only ever had fortuniana grafted roses. Well I just impulsively bought a David Austin James Galway rose and an Heirloom Awakening, both climbers and both on their own roots. Well they were VERY expensive and now I'm panicking because they are own root. I can't seem to find a lot of people who prefer own root roses in FL to ask for advice. Do you think they'll do okay? Do you have own root roses that do good here, aside from the Louis Philippe? Any suggestions or guidance would be appreciated. I'm in central Fl, (Citrus county) 🌹🥀
@@Divinestyler22 Congrats on your new rose. All my roses are own root, many that I have started from cuttings. Most of them have done fine. I have a couple that I think are d austin and they are doing well for about 4 yrs now. I add compost when I plant them and keep them well mulched - I use aged horse manure in pine shavings - and keep them watered. I think yours will be fine.
I’d like to grow my own roses from seed. Which reputable US website will provide variety of rose seeds?
Last I checked, Sheffields and Georgia Vines had a few species of rose seeds on offer. Otherwise, it's mainly collecting what you have at hand.
Robert H none, from what I have heard and read (though its been a while )roses, much like apples,do not produce identical offspring. They have 100s-1000s of possible outcomes. This is why roses are made from clippings. You can grow from seed for the experience and surprise though as long as you are prepared for it not to be like the parent plant.
All true, except I do think there is some value in starting some of the species types (rugosa, rubrifolia, moyesii, etc) if those are the kinds you're after. Otherwise, yes, most are quite variable from seed - so "for the experience and surprise" should be your only expectation.
Nice Roses
It’s not bad that the root build suckers. In this case you can root a branch from the sucker and you can graft the top part of the rose on it. So you can clone your graftet rose. 21.7.24
interesting. i inherited a garden from the previous tennant and dont know what types of roses there are. i let them all bloom and decided theres only two i would keep. i suspected the landlord cut them all down to the ground and the rootstock replaced the originals but i think there might be some sucker action going on too. i will be a bit more brazen about cutting them back
VERY INTERESTING INFORMATION ! THANK YOU ! LIKE :)
I have too mention that I lost many of the own root roses, I did not know why.
Thanks for this!
Hi Jason! Thank you very much for your great videos and for your advise. I would like to propagate my favorite rose - rosa Double Delight from cuttings. The scent is amazing and I absolutely love this rose. I don´t mind waiting for the blooms longer but in this video you called this variery "weak". Should I give a try or rather buy this variety grafted?
I think grafted is the way to go (based on my personal experience) - it's one of a handful of roses I've never been able to grow well as own-root. Also Distant Drums and Nostalgie. There are definitely others, but those are the ones that come to mind.
HI, thanks for uploading such an informative video about how deep should we bury the crown for a grafted rose.
For the same I wrote to David Austin experts and they said to bury the crown 1 to 2 inches below the ground level. But still I had the question what if scion develops its own roots, then the purpose of grafting technique is gone a bit (the same you clarified here, thanks). Regarding the suckers it is clear that they should be removed carefully by digging down to the root. But what if we get new scion shots development above or on the crown, should we remove them too or they are considered to be as bonus scion shots.
My second question is, can we get the same beautiful flower verities from the own root plants as we get by the grafting technique. Like David Austin’s Gertrude Jekyll is available in both and they claim it similar in characteristics and quality.
Burying low is a pretty common recommendation - yes, I've seen examples where the scion roots itself, and I probably would take a relaxed attitude towards it. More roots are generally better, right? It does kind of defeat the presumed benefits of grafting in a way, but it's not like the rootstock variety stops expanding its reach either. If you had an own-root suck, yes - I'd definitely take that as a bonus! Will the own-root perform similarly to grafted? It depends on the variety. I've found that many of my own roses (propagated from grafted, but taken as own root cuttings) work out to be similar in vigor to the grafted parents if given enough time. There are a few that are weak on their own roots. So it's going to be a matter of trial and error.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thanks for the early response and further clarification. So i am actually convinced to plant a grafted bare root rose at the ground level as you said in the video. This way it is easy to decide that any new development below the graft union should be removed and keep any new branches coming out above the crown.
I wanted to buy firefighter from your farm but it says grafted, also fragrant cloud and distant drums are grafted too. Would you suggest I just buy it and then slowing propagate it from the stems the next year and then get my own root rose from a grafted rose? Or maybe these varieties just sucks on their own roots?
Hi Jason. I have a rose that used to have large white blooms but now has small five petal red blooms. I have since learned that it was probably not growing on it's own roots. My question is: Will it regrow the grafted white rose if I keep the suckers below the bud union cut back? Thanks for your helpful videos. Bee
If you can identify a healthy section of grafted wood above the graft union, and cut back the rest, it should return to your large white blooms.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thank you for getting back so quickly. keep up the good work.
I recently bought a house with a few rose bushes on the property. One of the rose bushes has a huge thick stem (maybe 4 inches across). Anyways, I notice that 2 different types of roses grow from what seems to be the same spot, but one side is much thicker and is full of cream/pink flowers (sometimes totally pink sometimes totally cream). On the other side is a consistently pink rose bush with maybe 3 lanky stems on it - these look gorgeous and smell heavenly but I only get maybe 3 blooms a year. Is there any way to bring this plant back? I'm concerned that if I cut off the "sucker" that the plant wont have enough leaves on it to survive.. Can you advise?
I'd be very tempted to take cuttings from the proper scion variety first (just in case it goes wrong), but yes, I'd look to eliminate the rootstock sucker completely. Otherwise, it's just taking up nutrients (and space) from your scion.
Could you make a video about how to do to potted roses that sort of outgrow the pots but you just can't grow them in the ground or give them bigger pots anymore? I heard of their performance would decline and die eventually. Is this true?
Thanks for the suggestion, and I'll add it to my list. I think your option after that is to treat it a little bit like a bonsai, and engage in pruning of both the top growth and the roots. This may not keep it happy forever, but might buy a couple more repottings.
Thank you
My pleasure
Just started collecting roses last year so still learning the basics! More familiar with peonies, specifically tree peonies. They are typically grafted, sometimes on the other tree peony roots but more often onto the storage root of a herbaceous peony, mainly lactifloras because they aren’t known to be adventitious. After several years the tree peony will grow its own root and the herbaceous root will rot away. Does anything like that ever happen to grafted roses?
Yes, if planted deep enough many of the scion varieties will eventually set up on their own roots.
Very informative . Thanks. Once the rose gets more suckers than the original rose,can it be saved?
Yes, with a bit of work! Sometimes the suckers can be difficult to fully eliminate though. If it's a common variety, you might consider replacement as an easier solution. If it's rare/special, you might also consider learning to propagate the scion variety from cuttings. Then it'll be on its own roots, and no more suckers ever!
This video is spot on! I’ve been researching either buying own root or grafted for an upcoming DA order. I’ve had people tell me either is fine but I do not want to be dealing with Dr. Huey suckers…….ever. I bought 4 DA roses in 3 gallon pots last year from a local nursery and they were phenomenal. All before I realized there was a difference in own root and grafted. I relocated one of them recently and took pictures of the rootstock but I cannot tell if it is own root or grafted. Is there a way to send you a picture so you can help me figure it out? Also do you know if there are varieties of DA roses that are only sold exclusively as bare root? I am after Oliva Rose Austin but I don’t want to purchase grafted of this variety.
Thanks - I'm not too sure how the DA company decided what will be offered grafted vs. bare root.
Quick question. Does it matter what time of year I cut back the suckers? Should I wait until it is time for the heavy pruning in early spring? Thanks!
The sooner the better! As soon as you notice them and have enough time to snip or dig a bit.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank you!
Understanding you have a lot of experience. If you don’t mind me giving some advice you need to rip it with pliers rather than cut the suckers. Rather than promote growth with pruning, twisting and ripping will for one create dieback or at least slow the process of promoting growth. You can also cap that rip with glue, white wash paste or some other form of healing to prevent disease and insects from entering.
Thanks!
Hi @fraser vally rose farm.
I want some tips for growth as you are gaining.
Your roses are amazing but i have a question for you.
Which type of soil mixture you used in your rose plant which you shown at 01:46 & what is the rose name ?
Give me fertilizer name that you are using on your rose plants.
The red rose is Olympiad. I use a composted bark mix.
Can you propagate the grafted rose to create an own-root rose of the desired variety? Thanks for the great video!
Yes, it's reasonably easy to propagate from stem cuttings, and those will be from the desired (topstock) variety.
I was not clear on one point: can you take cuttings from a grafted rose, to create own- root roses? Does anyone have success with this?
Yes. The majority of grafted roses will do fine on their own roots, with just a few I've found need to be grafted (weak on their own roots)
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thank you so much. You have restored my Faith in rose gardening once again with your clear, concise methods. Thank you ❤️
Would the same logic & principles apply to airlayered roses too?
Air layered roses would be own-root
Hi Jason, I am going completely off topic here. I live in New Zealand and we are at the start of blooming time. I watched your video on aphids and have been taking your advice on not spraying. ‘Digital ‘ control is good, for most roses. Our problem is black spot. I am being pressured to spray to reduce it. What would your advice be?
Hi Elisabeth. Here's a link to the vid I made on the topic: ruclips.net/video/ulx5GyaHAZg/видео.html just for my general thoughts. More specifically, I find the most important measures in order to be: 1) resistant varieties (not much use in your case without a time machine) 2) pruning for good air circulation 3) removal of infected material from the plant and the ground below within the growing season 4) winter sanitation and fresh mulch to reduce early reinfection 5) bordeaux mix or copper spray over winter to reduce overwintering spores on stems 6) active season sprays of neem or baking soda/horticultural oil mix (or other fungicides per your own judgement) as an early preventive. Notice I focus on reducing risk and severity, because complete prevention and control is unrealistic with the spores absolutely everywhere. I also came across some info that MKP fertilizer (monpotassium phosphate) applied as a foliar feed may help reduce infection as well.
Will thornless climbing rose grow from cuttings. ???? I tried all year and havent had any takers yet.
Hi Charlie. I've had some success with Zephirine Drouhin and Amadis. Ghislaine de Feligonde is a rambler, but it roots well too.
I've always grown grafted hybrid tea roses, but next spring I think I may order a couple of own root roses. Have you ordered any from Heirloom Rose's? Thanks, John
Awesome. No, Heirloom doesn't ship to Canada - but I've heard good things about their quality.
Hi Jason again….
Do own root roses throw up suckers? I’ve an own rooted rose .. 2 years ago just replanted it in the garden and now looks like it’s throwing up 4/5 suckers … ? They’re lovey deep red and healthy … help.
Many thanks
B
Yes, depending on the variety. Some varieties even make a nuisance of themselves with it (I'm thinking of gallicas & some species)
Is it possible to get a grafted rose to root from the stem if I plant the graft far enough below the soil line?
This is something I've heard (from reputable rose growers) is true, but never verified myself.
Is there a way to tell if my roses I planted last year are own root or grafted without completely digging them up? Should I just pull away the dirt to see if there is a graft union or not? Also I’ll be trying to purchase some roses this year from a nursery that will be in 3 gallon pots, can I do the same thing, pull the dirt away to confirm own root or not?
Yes, if you can get a look at the crown you can often tell the difference.
Is there a list of roses that do/dont do well on their own root?
We should do that. I'd love to be able to pool propagation info with other growers and hobbyist so that I'm not wasting my time on "weak rooted" varieties.
I can tell you some varieties I've done well with - easy ones like 'Royal William', 'Fellowship', 'Heirloom', 'America', 'Don Juan', 'Iceberg' (climbing and shrub), 'Morden Sunrise', 'Ballerina', 'Robin Hood', 'Sally Holmes'. Generally, I can also say that if you see one of the other large suppliers offering a variety own-root, that's a decent confirmation that it's easy to propagate from cuttings.
Hi, can you tell me any GOOD roses to do own-root roses that are not patented that I can start my own rose garden to sell in a few years time please? I'm new to roses, but are fascinated to get some roses going myself. So are there any that I can reproduce without issues? We are in Suffolk UK. Really appreciate your knowledge and advice. Thanks Jo
Maybe start with Fellowship, Sally Holmes, Belinda's Dream, Heirloom, Laura Ford if you can get your hands on it. You may have to follow the local market a bit - and see what local buyers respond well too. Any popular older varieties still in the trade locally.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thats great, thank you so much! Jo x
For years I have looked to canes that did not have any thorns on them - they would be suckers. This year one of my roses shot out a couple long vigorous canes with plenty of thorns from the union (not below) but will not bloom. Do you know or are you aware of any root stock or ramblers that have thorns?
I don't know all the rootstock varieties well (I don't work with them much - I just have R. multiflora f. inermis, which is thornless) - but you also describe these as coming from the union, which could just make them "blind shoots" of the scion variety. Blind shoots are abnormally long vegetative shoots that occur for reasons we don't completely understand. Is the scion variety similarly thorny?
"Blind shoots"? I will have to research this some. Yes the leaves and the thorns are identical to the scion but the canes are about seven feet long. arching and don't bud. You can imagine my confusion. Thank you for the tip, the more I think I know about roses the more I realize my ignorance.
Should scions be grafted onto hardwood?
I suppose yes, as they're generally grafted onto 1 year old stems.
The rose bush I want was sold out. I saw another place has the rose bush I want, but is grafted. Can I just buy the grafted rose bush that is available and get the cuttings to create an own rooted rose bush? Hope you understand my question.
Yes, it sounds perfectly reasonable to establish own-root cuttings from a grafted rose. As a technicality, if the rose is still under patent protection (less than 20 years on the market) propagation is prohibited, but you wouldn't be doing it for profit. You'd be just looking to have an own-root specimen of the rose you already bought.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thank you for the info. Yes, I only want to grow one or two of those for my enjoyment, not for profit. Not always have a green thumb to grow from cuttings, but I will try.
Hi Jason. Hope all has been well on the farm. I have been wondering I cannot recall seeing it. Do you attempt to propagate your suckers growing from your grafted roses to add for future grafting material ?
I did a couple of grafted roses early on, but have really gone over 100% to own-root production since then.
Hi Jason, I have rocky sandy loam soil in my Connecticut(zone 7a) house. The winter temperatures sometimes go down to -8/ -9 degree F. I found a nursery in California selling the Yves Piaget rose which is grafted to Dr. Huey rootstock. It is 2 years old rose bush. I just wanted your opinion whether this rose will do well in my weather and my sandy soil. Or should I buy ownroot Yves Piaget rose from another nursery.Please advice.
Dr. Huey is pretty cold tolerant and adaptable across a wide range of soil types. If course, I do prefer own-root in general but I don't see it as an obstacle to take a grafted rose and then later strike cuttings if I'm set on growing the rose on its own roots. Yves Piaget is past the patent period too.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank you so much! Your videos are always very educational and helpful. I learnt a lot from your videos.❤️
I still have a little bit of confusion so which one do you reccomend grafted roses or own root roses? and what species of rose is that when you showed in the starting of the video
I think the red one at the beginning of the video was Olympiad. It's not really a matter of "better" or "worse" just different. I don't like the risk of rootstock suckers, so I always go for the own-root roses when I have a choice.
I have 9 month old own root rose plant can I hard prune it in the first year
Hi Junis. Nice. I'd only prune lightly unless the plant is way out of shape and really needs it. Otherwise, it may benefit from more time to establish roots before any heavier pruning.
Thank you sir
What kind of variety are those red roses
The grafted rose was Olympiad.
Hello from London Jason.. i have a question Please.. i got liquid tomato feed for my roses .. i wonder if that will give them the boost they need to get going & stay healthy…as my childminder used to use tomato grow bags for her extremely healthy house plants.. i thought this feed might be ok for roses too.. thanks Jason
You bet - it should be fine in moderation.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thanks Jason , you’re a gem.. it was given to all my David Austin roses 2 days ago in big pots & didn’t want them gone.. they’d cost me an arm a leg in 2016..i’d planted them in rose tree & shrub compost .. i give them maximum attention as much as Timmy the cat gets
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I went a bit nuts with rose feed by miracle grow last yr. but luckily heavy rain drained it out of the pots so i’m glad you say in moderation
What about English roses do they grow well on their own roots
I've tried a couple of the older ones, and they're okay. Abraham Darby seems quite vigorous on its own roots. The Reeve is good.
Jason, are there any resources for finding out which rose varieties are strong on their own roots/weak? I’d like to try cloning roses again, I’ve gone through at least 4 dozen failures
Other than just sharing information with other growers (esp. in your own region and soil) there's nothing comprehensive that I know of. For what it's worth, I've only found something like a half doze truly hopeless roses for growing own-root (in my collection of 300 or so)
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I found this Canada agriculture document about roses that do well in Canada’s climate publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2015/aac-aafc/A53-1922-2004-eng.pdf It says that most of these varieties are easily propagated by softwood cuttings. Maybe you will find this interesting.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm the electronic version doesn’t have the info about propagation, but it’s the same varieties as the microfilm version I found. My goal is to try to collect these Canada hardy varieties and breed them.
Jason, why do you cut and throw away the root suckers? I have them on some of roses and they bloom.
It's a personal choice, but for me, when I've chosen to grow a particular variety, it's because I like the size, shape, color and fragrance of the flowers. If the flowers on the suckers don't share those qualities, they don't fit my plan.
¡Gracias!
Thanks so much for the support Daniel
So, the cheap roses they sell every spring at Walmart or farm stores are more likely to be grafted roses? I’m guilty of buying a couple. They’re the ones performing in this fashion. Hilarious actually. No worries. I now get my roses from an own root company now in Colorado.
Have to say I was baffled until this video. Thank you Jason.
High Country is a fantastic supplier!
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I just saw this and I have a big smile! Of course you knew I was talking about High Country. Here I thought I was being discreet. Lol! I’m so comforted to know you approve them. So, could you mention Crackling Fire to them? Thanks😉
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I just saw this and I have a big smile! Of course you knew I was talking about High Country. Here I thought I was being discreet. Lol! I’m so comforted to know you approve them. So, could you mention Crackling Fire to them? Thanks😉
when you are buying a rose bush is it marked “graft” or rooted? or how can you tell?
It's not always marked. Many of the grafted roses have that very prominent (enlarged) graft union showing, while own-root roses have a more natural looking crown.
Can we get own root rose with grafted rose cutting ...???
Yes. Not every rose does well on its own roots, but I've had good luck so far taking cuttings from grafted roses.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thank you so very much for your quick and swift response 👍
I love your videos! I i’ve watched many of them before, but this one came up in a search because I am having a problem with a grafted knockout rose tree. I don’t typically buy knockout roses and this is my only grafted rose. It is sending up a crazy amount of suckers. And I did not cut them back at first because I was curious if I could possibly end up with a new kind of rose from the rootstock. But they do not seem to be budding out at all even though I have let them get quite long. Whatever it is appears to be a climbing rose with flexible canes. Is it possible to let them continue growing and see what kind of rose these knockout roses were grafted onto?
Yes, you might be able to ID the rootstock, but it could take another season: some of the species they graft onto (like r. canina or r. multiflora) are once-blooming on old wood, meaning yr 1 growth will bloom in yr 2
Thank you! That did not occur to me. I’d have to pretty invested to wait to next year as they already taller than me and taking up a good amount of room. I’ll see how in the way they get before then. Thanks again!
Sounds very complicated! I have bought both own root and grafted roses. I think the grafted types did better.
I'm just learning about this. Can you please tell me why you felt the own roots didn't do as well? How long have you had both types?
Is this rose is real "Alakazam rose", if yes do you have one ???
No, sorry, I don't have Alakazam.
ok thanks, this website sells them. forloveofroses.com/
but they did not ship them overseas.
Can you get one from them and make a video on this rose.
Love From INDIA
😅oh no. For my evil curiosity…I purchased two grafted and two own roots. 😅 good luck to me battles with suckers in the future. Thanks for the useful information!!!
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When you get a sucker, graft it and you get another rose bush
Are all Hybrid Tea Roses grafted roses or are they own root roses also.???
Any roses come in grafted or own root, if you buying from a major supplier it's almost always grafted because it's beneficial to them. You have to ask the person you buying the rose from or have a look at the plant.
Please consider selling your roses online!
Thanks Joyce. The thought of it is running through my head on a more-or-less constant basis!
Hi
I want to know which rose plant i had beacuse it is dead few years ago...
How can i share it to you?
bury the graft under the soil
You definitely can!