A lot of English people made their way across the 'choppy seas' to Ireland, it is why we speak English and fought for our independence for centuries. Our neighbour liked to claim territory but not responsibility for the results. I see the episode in the north as a colonial and class struggle against a coloniser. Those with the power, especially the British govt, could have stopped it but it suited their political circumstances not to, particularly after the rise of Thatcher who was very ignorant about Ireland and Irish history.
I think you are ignorant of history lad. You're probably of Spainish or Norman decent. The only period Ireland (which is an English construct of course) was united was under the English Crown. You caught in some romantic rebellion fantasy, that kills innocent people... would you go away and grow up!?
I come from a Unionist/Loyalist background, and (knowing what i know now) i am certain that British Intelligence kept the war going, long after it could have ended.
I served in British army in the 1980s. and I know what the English think of the Irish prod / Catholic didn't matter you were a bogman .and shooting a paddie was a thing ..the English are not our friends ,history shows us this but they cling on like a child who should have left years ago and won't take the hint .we aren't and never where wanted .
@@bpfromowc Miami showband, kingmills, Niaracs role. I think different agencies had different agenda's. I don't think the truth will ever come out. Thankfully it's over.
Agree with all the sentiments expressed in the comment and replies. By the 1980s the Security forces had the intelligence and capacity to have wiped out militant Republicanism. If they had have been facing the Israel Defence Force they'd have been destroyed.
I sm 64 and have no doubt that the conflict would have been over around 1972 if it wasn't gor the bigot mr paisley. We had the sunningdale agreement between unionists and nationalist but paisley went against this because it would have given nationalists equal rights but paisley wasn't having that
Paisley offered voluntary coalition to the SDLP in 1975 and they refused. It was not only Paisley who had opposed power sharing but also the anti faction of the UUP. Most unionists voted against power sharing for many years.
As an Irishman / Cork man Ireland is my home 🇮🇪 I would be calling it the North of Ireland, just like the South, East, and West of Ireland. Just like our four provinces that make up the island no matter how it's twisted.
Sorry to disappoint but its Northern Ireland, internationally recognised as such and the ONLY home nation mentioned on the front of the British Passport - The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
@nowisthetime6093 The Ulster Fry, Soda Farls and Jimmy Cricket all MI5 inventions.........UDR and RUC creations of the Welsh Secret Service and Cookstown Communist Party......
As someone who has an Ulster background the 3500 people dead and thousands lying injured it really annoys me! Mo Sean athair bho Tir Conail Agus bha Catholic. I am a Protestant from Scotland so I have a foot in both camps. In Ulster the people have voted 7 out of the 9 counties have backed a European and Irish government the pale is down to Antrim and Down. Is this democracy.? Has Northern Ireland been an Economic success? Let democracy flourish.
@nowisthetime6093 the so called 1707 union forming a united Kingdom was never approved in a vote then was approved. The E.U was agreed by vote in Scotland.
In 2014 Scotland very wisely chose to remain within the UK by way of referendum. In 2016 the UK as a Sovereign whole chose to leave the EU. In both cases democracy was adhered to. The people have spoken - A Sovereign UK outside the EU and that's where we are.
@nowisthetime6093 in 20 15 returned 56 m.p.s for self government and 3m.ps for English government in 2016 every area 🗳 voted to be part of EU in Scotland. The people in our country did not vote for a united Kingdom in 1707.
Very essential listening. My grandfather told me about coming home from the war (he almost died at Dunkirk) and not being able to get a job because he was a catholic by these fat civil servants who sat out the war. This is a great discussion on the atmosphere leading up to the troubles
The Irish Republics greatest export was its people. Were they discriminated against too or was their simply not enough jobs for everyone just like in NI?
Am 51 catholic man from north Belfast. Can't believe am still alive 2 explain 2 folk how unbelievably hard it was growing up in north Belfast never mind Belfast. North Belfast was 9th in a survey done on deprived areas 2 live in the UK. It was absolutely brutal British state running amuck specially @ night time hiding in the dark of night.. republicans & loyalist running wild bombs gun fire 24-7...& All done by design using northern Ireland Ireland what ever U want 2 call it was full on genocide & training 4 the British state Mi5 SAS secret service units. I've lost family & friends through the good old evil British murdering state. Tiocfaidh ár lá.
Britain didn't want to split the island of Ireland politically. The people who live here did. One Island, Two Nations was self determination for both peoples who live here.
@@nowisthetime6093 The people of Ireland voted overwhelmingly as one unit, all 32 counties in 1918 for total separation from the UK. We are one nation, not two. A minority managed to thwart the will of the majority, which is why there is never ending conflict.
@@backwoodsman How is this so hard to understand...? The Catholic Gaelic Irish nation created (Free State) was a cold house for unionists who seen themselves as British Protestants. Their identity was never taken onboard in outlook of the new Irish state and Unionists foreseen what would happen to them under such a state. So they created their own country to reflect their own identity and outlook - Northern Ireland. Self determination as is their right. This was the price Irish nationalists had to pay to breakaway from the UK, A border on the island. The fact that Irish nationalists refused to acknowledge the right of Northern Ireland to exist was the cause of their own ethnic hatred towards such a state and the cause of 'never ending conflict.' History proves it is they who have been the aggressors and up until the Belfast Agreement when the Irish Republic had to remove their illegal territorial claim over Northern Ireland and the majority of people both sides of the border agreed to the right of Self determination for both countries. (basic history 101 for slow learners unfortunately 1000s of lives later!) Today the island of Ireland is as should be as by the will of its people. ONE ISLAND, TWO NATIONS at PEACE. 🙏
Yes easily had equal rights been in place and sectarian marches prevented in rival areas the troubles would never have happened the repression created the resentment which kicked it all off.
one can only day dream how it could have been if the PUL community hadnt threatened an unholy war if partion hadn't happened,( unification) or if when it did happen they could have reached out and welcomed the catholic/nationalist/republicans as somewhat equals ( they would have made sure they had the majority) but instead they chose to have those size 12's firmly on the necks of the C/N/R people... carson & Co have a lot to answer for.
@@biglawdthat didn't exactly happen in a vacuum,did it ? It was De Valera who said the Free State was a Catholic country for Catholic people. It was IRA flying squads that were bringing death and mayhem on the newly formed Northern Ireland. How the Troubles could have been avoided is if people could have excepted partition, because nobody got all they wanted, and lived in peace with their neighbours.
@ciaranbrk no community had equal rights in the Sixties , one man one vote wasn't a thing. I remember everyone came out to watch the bands, you can't have rival areas in a Nation, thats a nation within a nation or a rebellion. Flimsy excuses really pal.
@@edcarson3113 " if people could have excepted partition " jesus what a statement here you fenians have 100's of years of colonisation but here's a wee touch more for you's in the north.
Watching from Texas. I'll be reading the book. I think partition will end in my lifetime. It was a terrible imposition on a new country designed to punish Ireland for its independence and retain a colonial presence. It'll be hard to undo but Irish people are creative and resilient. They'll have friends in the diaspora.
I find Kevin generally accurate in the broad sense...especially the Thatcher and Paisley cancers. However, I would advise that moral culpability applies to the union jack and responsibility to the brutalized Catholic Republicans. Appreciate this, Good Listener 👍
The economic case is "unanswerable"? Incorrect, the Treasury money to NI from English taxpayers (and not NI ones) is worth 25% of NI's GDP. Even Scottish independence would only cause a loss of 8% of Scots GDP. There's no reason to think that NI GDP would suddenly grow faster as part of ROI to get back to where it would have been staying in the UK. Then there's that most "exports" of NI go to GB not to ROI or rest of the EU and the same with "imports". Becoming part of ROI would damage those and thus GDP. More than 100 years in the UK didn't allow the southern economy to catch up to GB. 45 years of free trade with the EU didn't let the UK catch up to Germany. There is no particular reason to think the economies of NI and ROI would gel together. And yes, ppl's willingness to live together does depend on the economy, so taking such an irresponsible risk with the economy also risks violence. And once you've argued a united Ireland "for the economy" (wink wink) you'll be unable to argue NI shouldn't be allowed to leave again if it fails.
I don't see any United Ireland, never mind a 32 county Republic in my lifetime. I guess it's possible but even if it is The British and UK government will unquestionably have some kine of link with Ireland.
Don't agree. The subvention will be phased out over time. There won't be a cliff because the English tax payer will back away but just like Brexit, Britain will pay its bills.
"More than a 100 years in the UK didn't allow the Southern economy to catch up" what exactly do you mean? Was this after the act union? What 100 years are you referring to?
@dowdallerno1 After the 1801 Act of Union there was only Famine Genocide, and Ethnic Cleansing and emigration all over the World. Colonialism was and still is, the big fat elephant in the room.
Since nationalism isn't satisfied with power sharing and with "links with" ROI I don't think links with GB can make unionists feel better about losing the union. I'm sure there's no chance ROI and nationalists in NI will allow anything substantial of that nature, even if it's as limited as the cross-border bodies we have within Ireland which don't do much.
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Fianna Fail and Fine Gael pay lip service to it but they really don't want it. They'd lose control as the Northern counties wouldn't vote for them. They turned their backs on the North. Its only going to be a SF government to bring it to the forefront but the southern electorate keep voting the same clowns in
And the catalyst of the problems in the North was the south taking the 26 and turning their backs on the North. Allowing their fellow Irish to be beat off the streets and properly discriminated against. Leading to hate and animosity between the two sides.
its sweet, most of us still dont have to lock our doors, maybe you'd prefer it like london or somewhere in that case the planes always leave the international
NI was a country with an inbuilt instability that could never be at peace with itself from the very beginning. That being said, had there been equality in housing, education, employment and healthcare from the start then I would argue that NI could have been made to work successfully. It also needs to be viewed through the lens of the British withdrawal from empire and the move to majority rule in former colonial states. There is no doubt that had the troubles not started then the reforms needed would have occurred naturally - albeit slowly. Think about the collapse of communism and the deconstruction of the Warsaw pact. Change was coming across the world and NI would have naturally been forced to move with the times. Unfortunately events took a different turn and we ended up with a 30 year civil war. All that achieved was to create a legacy of hurt and division that will take generations to peter out. Effectively setting NI back 50 years unable to move on.
A more balanced explanation of the situation would include an understanding that many Protestants from the rest of Ireland moved to the north of Ireland during the civil war because of open persecution. This seems to have been conveniently forgotten.
Some were intimidated out, some couldn't abide living in a Catholic country, some skipped back to blighty with their ill-gotten gains. All understandable, not forgotten, and relatively little to be apologetic about, considering the time when the shoe was on the other foot.
@@davidh6543 You assume incorrectly that the only Protestants in Ireland were a few big landowners because you don't know your own history. Your bitterness is all consuming and based on a fabrication that suits your narrative.
@@H-nx8wr I am not bitter, I know my history, I mentioned in my comment how some protestants were intimidated. I am not going to stand for some load of old bol*ocks about southern prods being pogromed however, that was not the case, even if that suits YOUR narrative..
@@H-nx8wr No need to repeat.... I caught your condescending tone first time around (pompous ass). You write with the lofty tone of a great scholar, please bestow some of your wisdom upon this poor ignoramus, tell me what I got wrong....no Googling now.....
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A lot of English people made their way across the 'choppy seas' to Ireland, it is why we speak English and fought for our independence for centuries. Our neighbour liked to claim territory but not responsibility for the results. I see the episode in the north as a colonial and class struggle against a coloniser. Those with the power, especially the British govt, could have stopped it but it suited their political circumstances not to, particularly after the rise of Thatcher who was very ignorant about Ireland and Irish history.
I think you are ignorant of history lad. You're probably of Spainish or Norman decent. The only period Ireland (which is an English construct of course) was united was under the English Crown. You caught in some romantic rebellion fantasy, that kills innocent people... would you go away and grow up!?
Nah you speak English because you had to infiltrate.
I come from a Unionist/Loyalist background, and (knowing what i know now) i am certain that British Intelligence kept the war going, long after it could have ended.
I served in British army in the 1980s. and I know what the English think of the Irish prod / Catholic didn't matter you were a bogman .and shooting a paddie was a thing ..the English are not our friends ,history shows us this but they cling on like a child who should have left years ago and won't take the hint .we aren't and never where wanted .
Of course they did .. in case you didn't know ALL wars are conducted behind the scenes by the powers that be
@ Thanks, but I do know.
@@bpfromowc Miami showband, kingmills, Niaracs role. I think different agencies had different agenda's. I don't think the truth will ever come out. Thankfully it's over.
Agree with all the sentiments expressed in the comment and replies. By the 1980s the Security forces had the intelligence and capacity to have wiped out militant Republicanism. If they had have been facing the Israel Defence Force they'd have been destroyed.
I sm 64 and have no doubt that the conflict would have been over around 1972 if it wasn't gor the bigot mr paisley.
We had the sunningdale agreement between unionists and nationalist but paisley went against this because it would have given nationalists equal rights but paisley wasn't having that
the provos were not backing the sdlp or did i miss something, id suggest finger pointing is the origin of half the bother in everything
Paisley offered voluntary coalition to the SDLP in 1975 and they refused. It was not only Paisley who had opposed power sharing but also the anti faction of the UUP. Most unionists voted against power sharing for many years.
As an Irishman / Cork man Ireland is my home 🇮🇪
I would be calling it the North of Ireland, just like the South, East, and West of Ireland.
Just like our four provinces that make up the island no matter how it's twisted.
Go raibh maith agut a chara ☘️🕊️
Spot on a chara, can't take this Ireland and Northern Ireland talk.....
Sorry to disappoint but its Northern Ireland, internationally recognised as such and the ONLY home nation mentioned on the front of the British Passport - The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
@nowisthetime6093 The Ulster Fry, Soda Farls and Jimmy Cricket all MI5 inventions.........UDR and RUC creations of the Welsh Secret Service and Cookstown Communist Party......
Its still the north of ireland, can't move it.@@nowisthetime6093
As someone who has an Ulster background the 3500 people dead and thousands lying injured it really annoys me!
Mo Sean athair bho Tir Conail Agus bha Catholic.
I am a Protestant from Scotland so I have a foot in both camps.
In Ulster the people have voted
7 out of the 9 counties have backed a European and Irish government the pale is down to Antrim and Down.
Is this democracy.? Has Northern Ireland been an Economic success?
Let democracy flourish.
Democracy is inefficient and gay
The EU vote was a UK national vote. Nowhere on the ballot to vote did it mention ANY of the home nations - Should the 'UK' remain or Leave the EU?
@nowisthetime6093 the so called 1707 union forming a united Kingdom was never approved in a vote then was approved.
The E.U was agreed by vote in Scotland.
In 2014 Scotland very wisely chose to remain within the UK by way of referendum.
In 2016 the UK as a Sovereign whole chose to leave the EU.
In both cases democracy was adhered to. The people have spoken - A Sovereign UK outside the EU and that's where we are.
@nowisthetime6093 in 20 15 returned 56 m.p.s for self government and 3m.ps for English government in 2016 every area 🗳 voted to be part of EU in Scotland.
The people in our country did not vote for a united Kingdom in 1707.
Very essential listening. My grandfather told me about coming home from the war (he almost died at Dunkirk) and not being able to get a job because he was a catholic by these fat civil servants who sat out the war. This is a great discussion on the atmosphere leading up to the troubles
The Irish Republics greatest export was its people. Were they discriminated against too or was their simply not enough jobs for everyone just like in NI?
Am 51 catholic man from north Belfast.
Can't believe am still alive 2 explain 2 folk how unbelievably hard it was growing up in north Belfast never mind Belfast.
North Belfast was 9th in a survey done on deprived areas 2 live in the UK.
It was absolutely brutal British state running amuck specially @ night time hiding in the dark of night.. republicans & loyalist running wild bombs gun fire 24-7...& All done by design using northern Ireland Ireland what ever U want 2 call it was full on genocide & training 4 the British state Mi5 SAS secret service units.
I've lost family & friends through the good old evil British murdering state.
Tiocfaidh ár lá.
Ardoyne the untold truth had it bad 😧☘️👍
@seanmckillen9090 & newloadge
Theres an open border. If things are so bad feel free to use it.
@nowisthetime6093 maybe I can give U left sure....
@@bmca6892
It's you complaining. I'm perfectly happy. 😊👍
The "Troubles" have been going on since 1167. It's time for England to leave us in peace.
But you are at peace, don't be stupid and ignorant, you have a chip on your shoulder son.
Britain didn't want to split the island of Ireland politically. The people who live here did. One Island, Two Nations was self determination for both peoples who live here.
@@nowisthetime6093 The people of Ireland voted overwhelmingly as one unit, all 32 counties in 1918 for total separation from the UK. We are one nation, not two. A minority managed to thwart the will of the majority, which is why there is never ending conflict.
@@backwoodsman
How is this so hard to understand...? The Catholic Gaelic Irish nation created (Free State) was a cold house for unionists who seen themselves as British Protestants. Their identity was never taken onboard in outlook of the new Irish state and Unionists foreseen what would happen to them under such a state. So they created their own country to reflect their own identity and outlook - Northern Ireland. Self determination as is their right. This was the price Irish nationalists had to pay to breakaway from the UK, A border on the island.
The fact that Irish nationalists refused to acknowledge the right of Northern Ireland to exist was the cause of their own ethnic hatred towards such a state and the cause of 'never ending conflict.' History proves it is they who have been the aggressors and up until the Belfast Agreement when the Irish Republic had to remove their illegal territorial claim over Northern Ireland and the majority of people both sides of the border agreed to the right of Self determination for both countries. (basic history 101 for slow learners unfortunately 1000s of lives later!)
Today the island of Ireland is as should be as by the will of its people.
ONE ISLAND, TWO NATIONS at PEACE.
🙏
Yes easily had equal rights been in place and sectarian marches prevented in rival areas the troubles would never have happened the repression created the resentment which kicked it all off.
one can only day dream how it could have been if the PUL community hadnt threatened an unholy war if partion hadn't happened,( unification) or if when it did happen they could have reached out and welcomed the catholic/nationalist/republicans as somewhat equals ( they would have made sure they had the majority) but instead they chose to have those size 12's firmly on the necks of the C/N/R people... carson & Co have a lot to answer for.
@@biglawdthat didn't exactly happen in a vacuum,did it ? It was De Valera who said the Free State was a Catholic country for Catholic people. It was IRA flying squads that were bringing death and mayhem on the newly formed Northern Ireland.
How the Troubles could have been avoided is if people could have excepted partition, because nobody got all they wanted, and lived in peace with their neighbours.
@ciaranbrk no community had equal rights in the Sixties , one man one vote wasn't a thing.
I remember everyone came out to watch the bands, you can't have rival areas in a Nation, thats a nation within a nation or a rebellion.
Flimsy excuses really pal.
Reg M lost his position and reputation after being exposed as a swindler
@@edcarson3113 " if people could have excepted partition " jesus what a statement here you fenians have 100's of years of colonisation but here's a wee touch more for you's in the north.
Watching from Texas. I'll be reading the book. I think partition will end in my lifetime. It was a terrible imposition on a new country designed to punish Ireland for its independence and retain a colonial presence. It'll be hard to undo but Irish people are creative and resilient. They'll have friends in the diaspora.
Thanks, we appreciate it. Without the support of Irish America Ireland would never have gained its independence in 1921.
It was self determination by both peoples who live on the island. When is the US giving its lands back to the Native Indians?
The imperialist Yanks destroyed Vietnam , Afghanistan , Iraq , Libya , Syria .
I find Kevin generally accurate in the broad sense...especially the Thatcher and Paisley cancers. However, I would advise that moral culpability applies to the union jack and responsibility to the brutalized Catholic Republicans. Appreciate this, Good Listener 👍
Yes , the brits should hv gone home
What would happen if the British kicked all the Irish out of Britain? What a mess that would be. Seems like the British have a kinder disposition.
@H-nx8wr all the cheap labour wud leave .
Think u miss the point ; we mean ireland governed by its own ppl
Are you filled with hate.
They are home, on these magnificent British isles. 😊
I will be 60 soon ...I don't live in Belfast anymore. Ironically I only left a year before the ceasefire.
The economic case is "unanswerable"? Incorrect, the Treasury money to NI from English taxpayers (and not NI ones) is worth 25% of NI's GDP. Even Scottish independence would only cause a loss of 8% of Scots GDP. There's no reason to think that NI GDP would suddenly grow faster as part of ROI to get back to where it would have been staying in the UK.
Then there's that most "exports" of NI go to GB not to ROI or rest of the EU and the same with "imports". Becoming part of ROI would damage those and thus GDP.
More than 100 years in the UK didn't allow the southern economy to catch up to GB. 45 years of free trade with the EU didn't let the UK catch up to Germany. There is no particular reason to think the economies of NI and ROI would gel together.
And yes, ppl's willingness to live together does depend on the economy, so taking such an irresponsible risk with the economy also risks violence. And once you've argued a united Ireland "for the economy" (wink wink) you'll be unable to argue NI shouldn't be allowed to leave again if it fails.
I don't see any United Ireland, never mind a 32 county Republic in my lifetime. I guess it's possible but even if it is The British and UK government will unquestionably have some kine of link with Ireland.
Don't agree. The subvention will be phased out over time. There won't be a cliff because the English tax payer will back away but just like Brexit, Britain will pay its bills.
"More than a 100 years in the UK didn't allow the Southern economy to catch up" what exactly do you mean? Was this after the act union? What 100 years are you referring to?
@dowdallerno1 After the 1801 Act of Union there was only Famine Genocide, and Ethnic Cleansing and emigration all over the World.
Colonialism was and still is, the big fat elephant in the room.
Since nationalism isn't satisfied with power sharing and with "links with" ROI I don't think links with GB can make unionists feel better about losing the union. I'm sure there's no chance ROI and nationalists in NI will allow anything substantial of that nature, even if it's as limited as the cross-border bodies we have within Ireland which don't do much.
Colonialism should have been avoided.
Pretty standard liberal narrative about the roots of the Troubles. For an alternative view read Liam Kennedy's "Who was responsible for the Troubles".
Thanks
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Fianna Fail and Fine Gael pay lip service to it but they really don't want it. They'd lose control as the Northern counties wouldn't vote for them. They turned their backs on the North. Its only going to be a SF government to bring it to the forefront but the southern electorate keep voting the same clowns in
The first and only English Pope, done this in 1141.
The fool's the fool's 🕊️
God he has got it one bril
Paisley was sectarian BUT i lived in Belfast and he was totally decent with Catholic constituents and this is well known
The problem is the people in the North in a nutshell...
And the catalyst of the problems in the North was the south taking the 26 and turning their backs on the North. Allowing their fellow Irish to be beat off the streets and properly discriminated against. Leading to hate and animosity between the two sides.
Paisley was threatened with a united Ireland if he he didn't go for power sharing that's why he did it not a good man
Try being born in the province!
its sweet, most of us still dont have to lock our doors, maybe you'd prefer it like london or somewhere in that case the planes always leave the international
NI was a country with an inbuilt instability that could never be at peace with itself from the very beginning. That being said, had there been equality in housing, education, employment and healthcare from the start then I would argue that NI could have been made to work successfully. It also needs to be viewed through the lens of the British withdrawal from empire and the move to majority rule in former colonial states. There is no doubt that had the troubles not started then the reforms needed would have occurred naturally - albeit slowly. Think about the collapse of communism and the deconstruction of the Warsaw pact. Change was coming across the world and NI would have naturally been forced to move with the times. Unfortunately events took a different turn and we ended up with a 30 year civil war. All that achieved was to create a legacy of hurt and division that will take generations to peter out. Effectively setting NI back 50 years unable to move on.
Except it was Never a Country.
This is simply a British Spin.
It's an illegal Settler British Jurisdiction ,annexed off under threat of War.
So this entity state whatever has never worked yes relative peace but still religious gettos divides everywhere!
Ian Paisley. One person. The instigator of the whole thing.
A more balanced explanation of the situation would include an understanding that many Protestants from the rest of Ireland moved to the north of Ireland during the civil war because of open persecution.
This seems to have been conveniently forgotten.
Some were intimidated out, some couldn't abide living in a Catholic country, some skipped back to blighty with their ill-gotten gains. All understandable, not forgotten, and relatively little to be apologetic about, considering the time when the shoe was on the other foot.
@@davidh6543 You assume incorrectly that the only Protestants in Ireland were a few big landowners because you don't know your own history. Your bitterness is all consuming and based on a fabrication that suits your narrative.
@@H-nx8wr I am not bitter, I know my history, I mentioned in my comment how some protestants were intimidated. I am not going to stand for some load of old bol*ocks about southern prods being pogromed however, that was not the case, even if that suits YOUR narrative..
@@davidh6543 You have just demonstrated your bitterness in your comment. I repeat, you don't know your own history.
@@H-nx8wr No need to repeat.... I caught your condescending tone first time around (pompous ass). You write with the lofty tone of a great scholar, please bestow some of your wisdom upon this poor ignoramus, tell me what I got wrong....no Googling now.....