at 15:00 "Alicia was checked out by Larry Nassar" that just has such a sickening feel to the statement after all the sexual abuse that he propagated against many national team members and has recently come to light who knows how many never said anything?
Obviously I don't want anyone to be hurt like that, but I especially hope Alicia wasn't touched by him. She was super nice to me when I met her and as a vaulter myself, she was my favorite American gymnast for the entire time she was competing on the national team. Ugh. And watching all these competitions recently, you can catch glimpses of the monster. One of them, he's walking a girl (can't recall who, but it was someone well-known) back behind the curtain to a treatment room, and he had his hand on the small of her back. Which, yeah, that can be a comforting gesture when you're guiding someone who is upset to an area they aren't familiar with... thing is, though, that his hand STAYED there. Like I wouldn't be surprised if the lower part of his hand was touching her underwear (through the leo, obviously), it was that low. They kept walking and his hand stayed. It was creepy.
Nastia didn't do anywhere near as good as what she would have been capable of doing at that time and she still won. Just shows you how amazing she was.
@maseratic boychik it's Valeri, and yeah, that's his daughter so idk why saying his little darling is supposed to be offensive or something. Nastia won here because she was the best over the two days, even with mistakes. If they were biased to Nastia she wouldn't have lost worlds to Chellsie Memmel by .001 or whatever it was, or lost every all around to Shawn but the American Cup up until the Olympic all around.
@@tylerbam7183 I don't think judges have the ability to choose not to award the title. This is all straightforward calculations of SV and deductions. AFAIK, the only time someone has that kind of subjective power is when they pick the Olympic team.
I like how gymnastics has become more accepting for different body types , they aren't all short and stick thin there's more muscular , powerful and tall gymnasts
@@gifthorse9779 Yea, lot's of ppl want their 'women's' gymnasts to be little ballerinas in glitter and smiles. Who cares if you can't manage a full in, as long a you have nice toe point, right?
Kelley got nailed at 2006 Worlds for her execution and in addition fell off BB in prelims. She also could not compete all of the difficulty that she did here at Nationals. She was not credited for a lot of her slow connections on BB and her lack of full split on FX-which all were credited at Nationals and she could not compete her DTY vault and had to water down to a 1 1/2. As a result, judges correctly scored her execution in 2007 at Nationals and she dropped significantly after the surge of talented juniors made their way up (Sloan, Peszek, Johnson, Hong, plus Worley was injured in 2006 and returned in 2007). A similar situation occurred in 2007 when Sam Peszek struggled to compete her full difficulty at Worlds and Ivana Hong was nailed for execution on UB. Not to mention that after her BB failure at Worlds, Kelley returned to the 2007 American Cup and struggled a bit as well.
When you watch a lot of these videos it really sinks in how Nassar wasn't just a team doctor but really the one and only. He was given complete control over these girls bodies and nobody questioned it. Disgusting.
Yeah, that total control he had is crazy. I feel like it can't be THAT challenging to find a female sports doctor, right?? Or at least have a team of doctors so there's some accountability.
It's nuts. She made a huge mistake on Floor, and more on beam and bars, yet still come away with first place. That shows just how much ahead she is compared to everyone else.
So I don’t really like Al Trautwig, but his comment after Alicia’s vault “it’s like she spit in the eye of pain” was pretty funny and just showed how tough she is
I wish people would stop commenting about that monster on EVERY SINGLE GYMNASTICS VIDEO ON RUclips..... We know & I'm sure it's hard enough without constantly being reminded of it..... How would you feel if you had an amazing performance you wanted to relive and then in the comments section the only thing spoken of was the monster that abused you? He's already taken enough from them.... IT'S TIME TO STOP.
@@trodairebeag I don't see an Onodi in Natasha's routine anywhere, but she does the back full right off the top. Maybe you were thinking of Nastia's Onodi?
@@trodairebeag as someone who has there gymnastics skills "Straight" I CAN ASSURE YOU she does a back with a full at the top of her routine and and a Standing Arabian mid way. There is not ONE handspring with a half in her performance. Just FYI 🤸
MaKayla Clark-Sol Really? That's surprising because she wore non-pink leotards at every televised competition from 2005-2007. Three years of non-pink leotards, haha. She definitely seemed to make a point of wearing a pink on least one day of each competition after her iconic pink-leotard-wearing performance at the 2008 Beijing Olympics! Basically, you're unlikely to see Nastia wearing pink prior to the 2008 Visa Championships and very likely to see pink in 2008 and 2012 (oh, and that one time in 2009, haha). I thought she looked better in red -- which she wore her very last time competing, on day 2 of the 2012 Olympic trials :( I have blossomed from a 4-year fan into an obsessive RUclips watcher, so everyone's leotards are ingrained in my head, whether I like them or not :) If anyone remembers Nastia wearing a pink leotard prior to the 2008 Visa Championships, please feel free to jog my memory.
@@You.Tube.Sucks. super late, I know, but totally agree with you: she looked stunning in the red leo on Day 2 trials. She's honestly just really pretty to begin with, and also seems to have a good fashion sense that she integrates into gymnastics. Aside from team leos, I wonder how they decide the design to wear?
Nas seems so timid when her dad is giving out to her at 6:50 and she said “I didn’t hear you”. She was probably dreading his reaction after her mistakes 💔
Alicia actually never had bad form on bars. She just never had a natural swing or fluidity to her bars. Between that and the handstands you can’t really take much off 🤷🏾♀️
Yeah she turns 16 in the calendar year in 2007 when she was competing at the World Championships and Nationals at 15 before her birthday came and then at 16 in the Olympic Games.
+Gia Donati He says "Why didn't you do the 1/2 yurchenko (I'm not completely sure if he says yurchenko) I was screaming to you." she replied with "I couldn't hear you" then he says "What, you couldn't figure it out yourself? Huh?"
No, but I wish I could. I had asked this question a few years ago on a video of Nastia's floor routine and someone gave me this response to what Valeri said. I just added in what Nastia said.
No, he asked why Nastia didn't do the front double full out of the 1 1/2 twist. She did a full twist instead-which later cancelled her 3rd tumbling pass. Nastia could have changed her third pass to a double full to replace the first pass, but instead she kept the front layout full, front tuck full which gave her 0 difficulty score and 0 connection value. She continued to struggle on that first tumbling pass and eventually they ditched the 3rd line altogether (plus the front tuck full was devalued) and so it became front full immediate front double full as her first pass and then 1 1/2 imemdiate rudi as her 3rd pass.
Yeah a great coach alright he forced his athletes to compete on serious injuries and would scream and yell at them for any mistakes made he is a lot of things but a great coach isn’t one of them especially now knowing he and his wife knew what that doctor was doing behind closed doors
@@turbojon8117 Lmao. Gymnastics is subjective. Sorry, but Absolutely no way in hell would that routine ever deserve a 15.500. She was overscored in every single competition she competed in. Especially on bars with her GOD AWFUL dismount.
“And right now she’s thinking.....” Well I’ll tell you what she’s thinking right now.......” Love how Dickhead Daggett thinks he knows what the gymnasts are thinking during their routines. #timetofireDaggett
To be fair that is her dad who's hugging her, he was also her coach. But I never really understood coaches giving athletes hugs right after their routines when they're all out of breath, you wouldn't want to get a hug right after finishing a marathon lol.
Nastia's save on beam was amazing.
It actually looked balletic lol 😂 a very good save indeed
I like that they put a mic on all the coaches
Courtney Kolenda me to
at 15:00
"Alicia was checked out by Larry Nassar"
that just has such a sickening feel to the statement after all the sexual abuse that he propagated against many national team members and has recently come to light
who knows how many never said anything?
bbhouk1 Literally shuddered.
bbhouk1 yikes
Nassar didn't dare go after Liukin, Memmel, or Sacramone. The former two were protected by coach dads, and Sacramone was way too outspoken.
My stomach flipped when I heard ‘Nassar’ 🙈 Vile human
Obviously I don't want anyone to be hurt like that, but I especially hope Alicia wasn't touched by him. She was super nice to me when I met her and as a vaulter myself, she was my favorite American gymnast for the entire time she was competing on the national team. Ugh. And watching all these competitions recently, you can catch glimpses of the monster. One of them, he's walking a girl (can't recall who, but it was someone well-known) back behind the curtain to a treatment room, and he had his hand on the small of her back. Which, yeah, that can be a comforting gesture when you're guiding someone who is upset to an area they aren't familiar with... thing is, though, that his hand STAYED there. Like I wouldn't be surprised if the lower part of his hand was touching her underwear (through the leo, obviously), it was that low. They kept walking and his hand stayed. It was creepy.
Nastia didn't do anywhere near as good as what she would have been capable of doing at that time and she still won. Just shows you how amazing she was.
@maseratic boychik it's Valeri, and yeah, that's his daughter so idk why saying his little darling is supposed to be offensive or something. Nastia won here because she was the best over the two days, even with mistakes. If they were biased to Nastia she wouldn't have lost worlds to Chellsie Memmel by .001 or whatever it was, or lost every all around to Shawn but the American Cup up until the Olympic all around.
Or how overscored she was.
@@keithtaeno, it showed how GOOD she was. She wasn’t a multiple world champion and medalist for nothing. Get over yourself.
Haha I love how it was an "off day" for nastia and she still won the whole thing XD
Saria Kokiri she shouldn’t have, Natasha kelly should have
@@Lea-cp8gi The judges knew Natasha was a no hoper who would never even make it to 2008. It was wise to not give the National title to her.
tyler bam this sounds stupid.
@@tylerbam7183 I don't think judges have the ability to choose not to award the title. This is all straightforward calculations of SV and deductions. AFAIK, the only time someone has that kind of subjective power is when they pick the Olympic team.
@@Lea-cp8gi I disagree. She turned the save into another element. That is genius.
Ugh it disgusts me to hear Elfi Schlegel say Alicia Sacramone "was checked out by doctor Larry Nassar." It gives me such a sickening feeling.
I was thinking the exact same thing
I like how gymnastics has become more accepting for different body types , they aren't all short and stick thin there's more muscular , powerful and tall gymnasts
Yes 1234 5678 I agree.
I was just thinking about posting the opposite. I don't like the ungainly, muscular gymnasts who can't point their toes. Sorry. To each his own.
@@gifthorse9779 Yea, lot's of ppl want their 'women's' gymnasts to be little ballerinas in glitter and smiles. Who cares if you can't manage a full in, as long a you have nice toe point, right?
@@brandonbrown1916 You can have nice execution and not be anorexic… some of these girls just have bad execution. They lack the basics.
@@gifthorse9779and people like you are why so many of these athletes had- and still have- body image issues.
Wondering why more didn't come of Natasha Kelly. She's incredible.
Kelley got nailed at 2006 Worlds for her execution and in addition fell off BB in prelims. She also could not compete all of the difficulty that she did here at Nationals. She was not credited for a lot of her slow connections on BB and her lack of full split on FX-which all were credited at Nationals and she could not compete her DTY vault and had to water down to a 1 1/2. As a result, judges correctly scored her execution in 2007 at Nationals and she dropped significantly after the surge of talented juniors made their way up (Sloan, Peszek, Johnson, Hong, plus Worley was injured in 2006 and returned in 2007). A similar situation occurred in 2007 when Sam Peszek struggled to compete her full difficulty at Worlds and Ivana Hong was nailed for execution on UB. Not to mention that after her BB failure at Worlds, Kelley returned to the 2007 American Cup and struggled a bit as well.
I think she had some ankle injuries too, she had to stop competing for Oklahoma due to an Achilles tear
I agree that she is incredible! It has been so nice to watch her here!
When you watch a lot of these videos it really sinks in how Nassar wasn't just a team doctor but really the one and only. He was given complete control over these girls bodies and nobody questioned it. Disgusting.
Yeah, that total control he had is crazy. I feel like it can't be THAT challenging to find a female sports doctor, right?? Or at least have a team of doctors so there's some accountability.
wow Natasha Kelly was amazing. what happened to her and why didn't she go further?
It makes my skin crawl how they casually talk about Larry Nassar and how he’d be around these girls in so many of these events
It's nuts. She made a huge mistake on Floor, and more on beam and bars, yet still come away with first place. That shows just how much ahead she is compared to everyone else.
i love how a 14.7 was bad 14 years ago😂
Jana was one of my fav gymnasts of the quad. I wish she made the Olympic team
Her and her mom were Nassar sympathizers 🤮
So I don’t really like Al Trautwig, but his comment after Alicia’s vault “it’s like she spit in the eye of pain” was pretty funny and just showed how tough she is
I wish people would stop commenting about that monster on EVERY SINGLE GYMNASTICS VIDEO ON RUclips..... We know & I'm sure it's hard enough without constantly being reminded of it..... How would you feel if you had an amazing performance you wanted to relive and then in the comments section the only thing spoken of was the monster that abused you? He's already taken enough from them.... IT'S TIME TO STOP.
Nastia's leo was so cute here! It looked like red ribbons wrapping around her arms.
wow, natasha did a back with a full and an arabian on her beam routine o.o
Kimberly Zhang unreal
She did NOT do a back with a full!!! She did an Onodi!!! Get your gymnastics and skills straight!!
@@trodairebeag I don't see an Onodi in Natasha's routine anywhere, but she does the back full right off the top. Maybe you were thinking of Nastia's Onodi?
Yeah she did have a fairly packed routine.
@@trodairebeag as someone who has there gymnastics skills "Straight" I CAN ASSURE YOU she does a back with a full at the top of her routine and and a Standing Arabian mid way. There is not ONE handspring with a half in her performance. Just FYI 🤸
chellsie has always been so MOTHER UGH we love her
At 7:07,Kayla Hoffman can be seen in the background behind Valeri Liukin.
i always thought sacramone was a huge favorite of martha. did anyone else get that?
Whatever happened to Natasha Kelly she did so well here.
Wondered the same.
At 2:47,Chellsie Memmel goes up on balance beam.Then at 4:46,Nastia Liukin goes up on floor exercise.
Beaver’s double layout on floor is not completely stretched. I don’t know why they never mentioned it
Not used to seeing Nastia not in pink
MaKayla Clark-Sol Really? That's surprising because she wore non-pink leotards at every televised competition from 2005-2007. Three years of non-pink leotards, haha. She definitely seemed to make a point of wearing a pink on least one day of each competition after her iconic pink-leotard-wearing performance at the 2008 Beijing Olympics! Basically, you're unlikely to see Nastia wearing pink prior to the 2008 Visa Championships and very likely to see pink in 2008 and 2012 (oh, and that one time in 2009, haha). I thought she looked better in red -- which she wore her very last time competing, on day 2 of the 2012 Olympic trials :( I have blossomed from a 4-year fan into an obsessive RUclips watcher, so everyone's leotards are ingrained in my head, whether I like them or not :) If anyone remembers Nastia wearing a pink leotard prior to the 2008 Visa Championships, please feel free to jog my memory.
@@You.Tube.Sucks. super late, I know, but totally agree with you: she looked stunning in the red leo on Day 2 trials. She's honestly just really pretty to begin with, and also seems to have a good fashion sense that she integrates into gymnastics. Aside from team leos, I wonder how they decide the design to wear?
The first time I remember her in pink was 2007 world beam finals, which she won! That may have started the trend
When I watched Nastia's floor routine, she did not step out of bounds as they claim.
Alicia didnt have two leaps that were connected. Now i see why she got that .5 deduction in Aarhus 2006 worlds and didnt make the finals
They did really good today
Nas seems so timid when her dad is giving out to her at 6:50 and she said “I didn’t hear you”. She was probably dreading his reaction after her mistakes 💔
he didnt say anything mean to her, and he didnt seem upset at her. it was more of a supportive talk with her.
@@211jump yeah he was just why didn’t u do the correct pass
At 7:30,Natasha Kelley goes up on uneven bars.Then at 9:02,Alicia Sacramone goes up on floor exercise.
The scoring at this competition was so outrageous IMO, probably because of the new code
How did Nastia get a 9.15 on execution on ub and Alicia got an 8.95? No way their execution scores should be that close
She lost a lot on the Ono half, not to mention the Russian taps and dismount deductions.
Alicia actually never had bad form on bars. She just never had a natural swing or fluidity to her bars. Between that and the handstands you can’t really take much off 🤷🏾♀️
Mkay, who else could tell that Nastia was going to be crooked on her bhs loso loso just by the way she swung before her bhs?
It was weird how Nastia and Alicia had the same music as they did in Beijing
Danny Devito for 2020 this was before beijing
Yeah, but typically athletes have one song per year or rarely, 1 song for two years. One song for all of 2006, 2007, and 2008? Pretty strange.
yes and the routines were very similar in all three years
I love Nastia, but it is apparent here that pink was Chellsie's thing first!
Where was Shawn Johnson?
I think she was a jr or too young, at 2008 I think Shawn was 16 and nastia 18
Yeah she turns 16 in the calendar year in 2007 when she was competing at the World Championships and Nationals at 15 before her birthday came and then at 16 in the Olympic Games.
she was a junior
i want valeri to speak english so i know what he is telling nastia😕
+Gia Donati He says "Why didn't you do the 1/2 yurchenko (I'm not completely sure if he says yurchenko) I was screaming to you." she replied with "I couldn't hear you" then he says "What, you couldn't figure it out yourself? Huh?"
Oh thanks. You speak russian?
No, but I wish I could. I had asked this question a few years ago on a video of Nastia's floor routine and someone gave me this response to what Valeri said. I just added in what Nastia said.
No, he asked why Nastia didn't do the front double full out of the 1 1/2 twist. She did a full twist instead-which later cancelled her 3rd tumbling pass. Nastia could have changed her third pass to a double full to replace the first pass, but instead she kept the front layout full, front tuck full which gave her 0 difficulty score and 0 connection value. She continued to struggle on that first tumbling pass and eventually they ditched the 3rd line altogether (plus the front tuck full was devalued) and so it became front full immediate front double full as her first pass and then 1 1/2 imemdiate rudi as her 3rd pass.
I think Bela had the right idea, and if I were a coach, I would take a few examples from him! Great coach imo.
Yeah a great coach alright he forced his athletes to compete on serious injuries and would scream and yell at them for any mistakes made he is a lot of things but a great coach isn’t one of them especially now knowing he and his wife knew what that doctor was doing behind closed doors
agreed. He was a good coach, but his words could of been not as harsh
God awful commentators. Just get WOMEN- former gymnasts- who know what they’re talking about.
Elfie Schlegel is a former gymnast, she an Olympic medal gymnast, and female.
Natasha Kelly should have won not Nastia on this occasion
Your statement isn't supported by numbers and math.
@@turbojon8117 Lmao. Gymnastics is subjective. Sorry, but Absolutely no way in hell would that routine ever deserve a 15.500. She was overscored in every single competition she competed in. Especially on bars with her GOD AWFUL dismount.
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Nastia on besm so much arm waving 🙄
Al saying "yuge" is...weird
Natasha Kelley was robbed here!
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Oh no these ridiculous fluff
“And right now she’s thinking.....”
Well I’ll tell you what she’s thinking right now.......”
Love how Dickhead Daggett thinks he knows what the gymnasts are thinking during their routines.
#timetofireDaggett
At 20:16 the girl is uncomfortable. Way too many predators out there
To be fair that is her dad who's hugging her, he was also her coach. But I never really understood coaches giving athletes hugs right after their routines when they're all out of breath, you wouldn't want to get a hug right after finishing a marathon lol.
This is her Father, what the heck is wrong with you?