There are a lot of things in this that needs to be updated. One of the main things being that Mandy has since given a very long and in depth interview on 60 Minutes, and his time on the show and what was really happening. He apologized for his egotistical ways, and for not appreciating Ed Bernero (Co creator and show runner at the time), and stated he DID understand the subject matter was dark, but he was having his own personal crisis, and should’ve dealt with it in a better way, but it came out like a temper tantrum. I can respect a man, A SEASONED ACTOR that can sit down and skewer himself. Total respect for him for doing that!
But he had a point, the subject matter was incredibly Dark and there was never a happy ending during the show's run. Satisfactory maybe. But never happy!
He probably developed panic episodes without realizing it, between the show and real life events affecting his mental health. His mind was probably trying to protect itself. He moved away from the show and accepted his shortcomings and owned his behavior. People with bulletproof egos won't do that.
Criminal minds was a show about the people who profile the worst, most broken minds in humanity. They get inside the heads of these suspects. Inside the minds of the worst kinds of criminals. Hence the show's name. So *of course that would be dark.* While I respect Mandy a fair amount, having ever signed up for it in the first place and *not* expecting that it would be dark is naïve in the extreme. He should never have signed on at all.
I don’t respect how he went about it, the fact he basically just ghosted them and couldn’t be bothered with one phone call to anyone. Made me dislike the actor
I personally have great respect for Mandy Patikin's decision to walk away from a project that he felt was having a strong negative impact on his personal state of mind! I wish him well in his future endeavor's and hope that he finds a project that brings him peace of mind. I think that the subject matter of the show likely has a negative impact on everyone of the actors involved in it's creation because it deals with the very dark nature of a small percentage of human beings. Few people realize how everyone who works in law enforcement has to deal with this same struggle on a daily basis and they get paid way less to do it. It is mentally taxing work for all except personality types that can compartmentalize their life to keep it from affecting their life away from work. I personally think it affects everyone it is just some people have more constructive ways of dealing with the negative impacts to their personal lives. I believe the largest effect exposure to this level of violence has is that they become numb to seeing it and it is normalized in their way of life. I personally believe it is a very bad thing for our ability to sympathize with others when we become callous to the suffering of others.
well said! Actors have to repeat scenes over and over - so we might watch a show or documentary on dark themes that lasts an hour or so, but if you have to do a horrific scene or subject matter dealing with the terrible things people do to children, for example, and you have to stay in that theme for a majority of every day for a week - and then the next week its just another similarly horrific story - how can that not weigh on you after months/years? Most of us watch these psychological thriller shows because we like the puzzle solving of uncovering clues and peering inside the mind of a person whose mind is so utterly different from our own. This show started off that way but then seemed to almost revel in the dark and disturbing depictions of what was done, rather than focus mostly on why the killer's mind led them there. At least, that's how it seemed to me.
I love Criminal Minds! My all time favorite crime show! I bet it did a toll on the casts mental health but it was pretty realistic in portraying the mind of criminals & the real affects these jobs have on people that work in this field!
I don't blame Mandy for leaving. Having to play these dark subject matters then going home like everything in the world is all rainbows and butterflies will do crazy things to your mental health. As for Thomas, as much as I liked him on the show, I hope he's learned to get his anger under control. There's no reason to take your personal issues out on people who did nothing to you by physically assaulting them. Get it together man.
Most all of their cases were based on actual ones. Though I missed his character something awful, I completely understand not wanting to "go there". Remember, when you look into the abyss, it also looks back. That being said... It should be disturbing, because those things DO happen every day.
No offense intended, but he was not silent about his reasons to begin with, so no silence was broken. I understand his reasons, but I enjoy Criminal Minds. Of course, I prefer true crime shows. The psychological aspect of some criminals is fascinating. I like to know how these people are caught. Love Mandy. Can’t think of a single thing he’s been in I haven’t loved. I still enjoy criminal minds.
Mandy P. Was the balance of the 1st 2 seasons. He actually brought a sensitive,tortured character to the small screen that i found he was the only reason i could watch such a great,tragically accurate portail of such horific,tragic subject matter! You sir were the only reason i could stomach the show. 💔🎭🇨🇦🕯🙏💯☯️😪
I agree. As an Empath I can feel other people's feelings more than most people and these characters acting was so good that I could feel what they were feeling, problem was the acting was too perfect because I could feel the unsubs and victims feelings too and I wound up having bad depression over it. I love cop dramas. NCIS and the original CSI were my 2 favorite shows. I could get into them but it didn't affect me mentally like Criminal minds did. So, I totally understand how Mandy Patinkin felt.
I watched quite a few seasons (skipped unbearable ones involving children), but ultimately stopped as it was just too much. since the episodes were based off of real crimes (the actors mentioned reading real cases as part of preparation for the episodes), they seemed to stick with the same horrific dynamic over and over (targeting women and children with 'grape' involved) instead of come up with stories that could be real but are perhaps more complexly motivated than what is seen in real life - a way to give that Sherlock puzzle solving fun, with interesting dynamics studied in psychology so it feels realistic even if there is no actual real world case that reflects it.
I mean, as for the subject matter, that IS what those in the BSU (later BAU) had to deal with. VERY dark cases. It affected real agents as well - some becoming desensitized to injuries (such as kids falling and getting minor injuries or wife cutting her hand while cooking) because he faced case after case, photo after photo, of so much brutality. Though I think the show did make create some really bizarre and surreal situations. But I can see how being surrounded by that all of the time - reading scripts, acting it out - can get really rough after awhile. And if Mandy wasn't particularly close to the others on set, I'm sure it made it even tougher. In a situation like that, I'd think you need some lightness and laughter between takes.
Mandy is well known to be a very difficult actor to work with. But I totally get and understand why he wouldn't want to continue. I always thought for actors taking the part of a terrible person must be difficult when it gets to horrible degrees. But being part of a show that centers around the worst kind of people week after week would weigh heavy on you I imagine.
He didn’t agree with the content. He didn’t feel good being a part of the show. Fair enough. The show went on and did quite well for some time without him. I was and always will be a fan. This world we live in has dark aspects. If the writers and producers can think of content, It has happened in real life to some human being somewhere in the world at some point in time.
I was an extra on one of Mandy’s movies, Maxie, years ago. Ruth Gordon’s last movie before she passed. Glenn Close was also starring. Unfortunately it was a box office flop. He was young then but one of the nicest actors I’ve ever interacted with on the set.
Makes so much sense , look what happen to the last joker actor Heath Ledger . The man died from accidental overdose . He did so many research on the character itself that after the filming, he lost himself.
Mandy is right. That kind of trauma will get to you over time. One scary stat I saw stated that a woman in the U.S. is assaulted every 9 seconds. As horrific as the scripts were, the things he mentioned about women, happen everyday.
Mandy, at least during that time in his career, was a notorious grouch and an egotistical presence both on set and in the street when approached by fans. He famously won't engage with people about The Princess Bride, won't give the director on Homeland what they need for multiple takes, and just comes across as smug and rude. Maybe he's changed, perhaps it's all gossip but I've seen nothing that disproves that rumor.
The first season was excellent - well-written, great cast, etc. After that it became formulaic, poor scripts, and the violence became gratuitous and extreme. I watched the series because of Mandy Patinkin and stopped watching because of its darkness.
It did start basing shows on real crimes. Flashbacks on the psychology and they didnt know who it was and made wrong profiles. Suddenly it was a cop show with garcia leading them to the suspect. No more flashback acenes, no more real profiling. All that made it a success
well... if this dude never understood what he was doing in the show, he most probably never should be in it, but if he started to make the leftist discurse of "misoginy" and all that bullshit... well... he is not a victim...
I loved Mandy and Jean. The show really went into the pits making up stories that were so fictional and scifi like scratch that it was ridiculous bad writing. Then they focussed on the teams personal lives. Nope,ruined the show. Thomas ,Shemar Mandy were the reason I started watching and the 9nly reruns i watch. I dont blame Thomas for kicking the bad writer who was brought in later, a friend of another actor on the show who is not an original and who's character is way too old to be realistic.
I had watched this program for years, but, even as a nurse, I had to give it up because the cases were becoming too horrific and graphic! It was making my stomach churn. I did love the cast, though…..very well together, felt like a “family”. 😮😊 Still miss it, just can’t take the scenes and graphics of it! 😱👹☠️🤢🧓🏻
There are a lot of things in this that needs to be updated. One of the main things being that Mandy has since given a very long and in depth interview on 60 Minutes, and his time on the show and what was really happening. He apologized for his egotistical ways, and for not appreciating Ed Bernero (Co creator and show runner at the time), and stated he DID understand the subject matter was dark, but he was having his own personal crisis, and should’ve dealt with it in a better way, but it came out like a temper tantrum.
I can respect a man, A SEASONED ACTOR that can sit down and skewer himself. Total respect for him for doing that!
But he had a point, the subject matter was incredibly Dark and there was never a happy ending during the show's run. Satisfactory maybe. But never happy!
He wasn’t wrong the first time he spoke up about the shows subject matter
He probably developed panic episodes without realizing it, between the show and real life events affecting his mental health. His mind was probably trying to protect itself. He moved away from the show and accepted his shortcomings and owned his behavior. People with bulletproof egos won't do that.
Mandy is fine.
@@MichealCampbell-dt1xo so what? It's Criminal Minds, not Bones.
Criminal minds was a show about the people who profile the worst, most broken minds in humanity. They get inside the heads of these suspects. Inside the minds of the worst kinds of criminals. Hence the show's name.
So *of course that would be dark.* While I respect Mandy a fair amount, having ever signed up for it in the first place and *not* expecting that it would be dark is naïve in the extreme.
He should never have signed on at all.
I don’t respect how he went about it, the fact he basically just ghosted them and couldn’t be bothered with one phone call to anyone. Made me dislike the actor
I personally have great respect for Mandy Patikin's decision to walk away from a project that he felt was having a strong negative impact on his personal state of mind! I wish him well in his future endeavor's and hope that he finds a project that brings him peace of mind. I think that the subject matter of the show likely has a negative impact on everyone of the actors involved in it's creation because it deals with the very dark nature of a small percentage of human beings. Few people realize how everyone who works in law enforcement has to deal with this same struggle on a daily basis and they get paid way less to do it. It is mentally taxing work for all except personality types that can compartmentalize their life to keep it from affecting their life away from work. I personally think it affects everyone it is just some people have more constructive ways of dealing with the negative impacts to their personal lives. I believe the largest effect exposure to this level of violence has is that they become numb to seeing it and it is normalized in their way of life. I personally believe it is a very bad thing for our ability to sympathize with others when we become callous to the suffering of others.
well said! Actors have to repeat scenes over and over - so we might watch a show or documentary on dark themes that lasts an hour or so, but if you have to do a horrific scene or subject matter dealing with the terrible things people do to children, for example, and you have to stay in that theme for a majority of every day for a week - and then the next week its just another similarly horrific story - how can that not weigh on you after months/years?
Most of us watch these psychological thriller shows because we like the puzzle solving of uncovering clues and peering inside the mind of a person whose mind is so utterly different from our own. This show started off that way but then seemed to almost revel in the dark and disturbing depictions of what was done, rather than focus mostly on why the killer's mind led them there. At least, that's how it seemed to me.
I love Criminal Minds! My all time favorite crime show! I bet it did a toll on the casts mental health but it was pretty realistic in portraying the mind of criminals & the real affects these jobs have on people that work in this field!
@@misstrishy I adore the new Season 16 on Disney+. It's more real and visceral.
I don't blame Mandy for leaving. Having to play these dark subject matters then going home like everything in the world is all rainbows and butterflies will do crazy things to your mental health. As for Thomas, as much as I liked him on the show, I hope he's learned to get his anger under control. There's no reason to take your personal issues out on people who did nothing to you by physically assaulting them. Get it together man.
Most all of their cases were based on actual ones. Though I missed his character something awful, I completely understand not wanting to "go there". Remember, when you look into the abyss, it also looks back.
That being said... It should be disturbing, because those things DO happen every day.
No offense intended, but he was not silent about his reasons to begin with, so no silence was broken. I understand his reasons, but I enjoy Criminal Minds. Of course, I prefer true crime shows. The psychological aspect of some criminals is fascinating. I like to know how these people are caught. Love Mandy. Can’t think of a single thing he’s been in I haven’t loved. I still enjoy criminal minds.
Then he was on Homeland 😒
Yeah he left one dark show only to end up on another dark show, I love you Mandy but come on.. lol
Well said
In Mandy’s defense, Homeland didn’t focus as much on violence toward women nearly as much as Criminal Minds did.
I've always wanted to ask Mandy what he thought he was getting into. Surely he'd have researched what profilers do
You don't know until you are there how it's really going to affect you. I say that as someone who does it in real life.
I think it was Joe who said that 'yes, the plot is dark that's why the show is called Criminal Minds' 😅 what was he expecting?
Mandy P. Was the balance of the 1st 2 seasons.
He actually brought a sensitive,tortured character to the small screen that i found he was the only reason i could watch such a great,tragically accurate portail of such horific,tragic subject matter!
You sir were the only reason i could stomach the show.
💔🎭🇨🇦🕯🙏💯☯️😪
Finally? I have heard him express this opinion since he left the series
What did he think the show was about
Paget's get hair is gorgeous!!
I agree with Mandy, I stop watching this show, it was to disturbing
That’s also why I stopped. Good plots, good acting … but I’m supposed to go to sleep after watching it?!? It was way too consistent on deep evil.
I agree. As an Empath I can feel other people's feelings more than most people and these characters acting was so good that I could feel what they were feeling, problem was the acting was too perfect because I could feel the unsubs and victims feelings too and I wound up having bad depression over it. I love cop dramas. NCIS and the original CSI were my 2 favorite shows. I could get into them but it didn't affect me mentally like Criminal minds did. So, I totally understand how Mandy Patinkin felt.
I watched quite a few seasons (skipped unbearable ones involving children), but ultimately stopped as it was just too much. since the episodes were based off of real crimes (the actors mentioned reading real cases as part of preparation for the episodes), they seemed to stick with the same horrific dynamic over and over (targeting women and children with 'grape' involved) instead of come up with stories that could be real but are perhaps more complexly motivated than what is seen in real life - a way to give that Sherlock puzzle solving fun, with interesting dynamics studied in psychology so it feels realistic even if there is no actual real world case that reflects it.
As an HSP, it was way too visually dark and graphic.
I find his reasoning hypocritical. Homeland storylines are just as disturbing if not more so
I mean, as for the subject matter, that IS what those in the BSU (later BAU) had to deal with. VERY dark cases. It affected real agents as well - some becoming desensitized to injuries (such as kids falling and getting minor injuries or wife cutting her hand while cooking) because he faced case after case, photo after photo, of so much brutality. Though I think the show did make create some really bizarre and surreal situations. But I can see how being surrounded by that all of the time - reading scripts, acting it out - can get really rough after awhile. And if Mandy wasn't particularly close to the others on set, I'm sure it made it even tougher. In a situation like that, I'd think you need some lightness and laughter between takes.
Mandy is well known to be a very difficult actor to work with. But I totally get and understand why he wouldn't want to continue. I always thought for actors taking the part of a terrible person must be difficult when it gets to horrible degrees. But being part of a show that centers around the worst kind of people week after week would weigh heavy on you I imagine.
In Other words it was like real life crime.
He didn’t agree with the content. He didn’t feel good being a part of the show. Fair enough. The show went on and did quite well for some time without him. I was and always will be a fan. This world we live in has dark aspects. If the writers and producers can think of content, It has happened in real life to some human being somewhere in the world at some point in time.
I was an extra on one of Mandy’s movies, Maxie, years ago. Ruth Gordon’s last movie before she passed. Glenn Close was also starring. Unfortunately it was a box office flop. He was young then but one of the nicest actors I’ve ever interacted with on the set.
Makes so much sense , look what happen to the last joker actor Heath Ledger . The man died from accidental overdose . He did so many research on the character itself that after the filming, he lost himself.
I enjoyed this show 😅
I love this show...I have the entire series on DVD
Mandy is right. That kind of trauma will get to you over time. One scary stat I saw stated that a woman in the U.S. is assaulted every 9 seconds. As horrific as the scripts were, the things he mentioned about women, happen everyday.
Not sure why you have Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise in there……twice.
It seems like an AI generated video to me - they are always a bit off lol
Mandy, at least during that time in his career, was a notorious grouch and an egotistical presence both on set and in the street when approached by fans. He famously won't engage with people about The Princess Bride, won't give the director on Homeland what they need for multiple takes, and just comes across as smug and rude. Maybe he's changed, perhaps it's all gossip but I've seen nothing that disproves that rumor.
I grew up watching this all the time feel like I was too young now 😂😅
That show got way too dark for me and I was worried that they were giving sick people ideas.
The first season was excellent - well-written, great cast, etc. After that it became formulaic, poor scripts, and the violence became gratuitous and extreme.
I watched the series because of Mandy Patinkin and stopped watching because of its darkness.
I thought it was stupid, like oo there is this really smart guy
too bad Rachel Nichols didn't work out. I thought her character had potential.
Mandy is always quitting on tv series.
Welcome to America
He has a reputation for being hard to work with.
Sorry mandy i loved the show and i thibk u were amazing in it but u should have read the script
Most of these actors have reached the point where work is optional for them. They are well off. I don't pity them.
I quit watching after Thomas Gibson was fired
I'm assuming The Mindhunter Co-Creator and Director and Writer David Fincher, couldn't take anymore either and that's why he didn't do season 3-5.
Mandy Patinkin has an ego that makes people hate him.
I greatly enjoy his work and I've never noticed any ego at all.
@@jaycreswell7008
His ego makes him a jerk
Mandy Patinkin is a sweet soul, the show was just too dark for him.
He admitted this himself. He wouldn't let directors talk to him. He said he was horrible.
I enjoy his work & he seems like a decent guy. Not sure how you don't notice the ego though.
This guy clearly has issues. What did he think the show was gonna be about? Picking daises? It’s about profiling serial killers!
It did start basing shows on real crimes. Flashbacks on the psychology and they didnt know who it was and made wrong profiles. Suddenly it was a cop show with garcia leading them to the suspect. No more flashback acenes, no more real profiling. All that made it a success
well... if this dude never understood what he was doing in the show, he most probably never should be in it, but if he started to make the leftist discurse of "misoginy" and all that bullshit... well... he is not a victim...
I loved Mandy and Jean. The show really went into the pits making up stories that were so fictional and scifi like scratch that it was ridiculous bad writing. Then they focussed on the teams personal lives. Nope,ruined the show. Thomas ,Shemar Mandy were the reason I started watching and the 9nly reruns i watch. I dont blame Thomas for kicking the bad writer who was brought in later, a friend of another actor on the show who is not an original and who's character is way too old to be realistic.
The spin offs were better. Great actors,bigger actors. I loved their concepts. Not focussed on personal lives. Action packed. Younger teams.
I love the show but the real world is more ugly 👍
Get over it this stuff happens in real life
Cannot stand Patinkin.
I had watched this program for years, but, even as a nurse, I had to give it up because the cases were becoming too horrific and graphic! It was making my stomach churn. I did love the cast, though…..very well together, felt like a “family”. 😮😊 Still miss it, just can’t take the scenes and graphics of it! 😱👹☠️🤢🧓🏻