Intel i7 10th Gen IA AC/DC LL 5.0GHz Overclocking Tutorial.

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  • Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
  • Video demonstrating IA AC/DC Load Line settings. What AC/DC Load Line adjusts, how it adjusts the Voltage at each Frequency. How it can help with desktop overclocking and how to setup your motherboard to easily overclock!
    I am using a Z490-F Motherboard with i7 10700K comet lake! I also adjust my system to follow my prediction values in the Z490-F motherboard. You can do the same or similar or fine tune your values the way you do normally.
    I also show how to measure the voltage from the back of the CPU socket with a digital multi meter.

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  • @nlgatewood
    @nlgatewood 4 месяца назад +4

    Dude, i want to thank you. This was my exact problem. I recently purchased an ASUS b760i with a 13600k. I didnt really want to mess with overclocking..but i was running into temperature problems..so i updated my cooler and that helped..but then i noticed my vcore was frequently hitting 1.52v..after 2 weeks of researching i couldnt find a fix..assumed i lost the silicon lottery..i found your reddit post and looked...my board was defaulting the ACDC LL at 1.7! I decreased it and settled on 0.7..with 10c cooler temps, lower volts, and no performance loss in cinebench..thank you!

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  4 месяца назад +3

      glad to hear it!
      these are good chips but I wish there was better documentation for what each and every feature does! A lot of the motherboard functions are written by Taiwanese engineers and secrets are in Chinese.
      The reason why the CPU defaults to 0.6 or 1.1 as it's worse case is for different loads. Some users just play 60 FPS solitaire or others are playing 60 FPS CS:GO or some users use these chips to specifically use CPU render for media work. In each use case, the voltage can vary up or down. And the current/power usage definitely varies. Because of all these variations, an AC/DC LL of 0.6 or 1.1 and greater allows for the CPU to use a wider range of voltages with different currents or power usage.
      So when you lower your AC/DC from 1.7 to 0.7, you lower the maximum amount of current/power that your CPU can use but you also decrease power usage. If you only run gaming loads, this is perfect as gaming never really places a big load on our CPUs.
      Glad this video helped!

    • @nlgatewood
      @nlgatewood 4 месяца назад

      ​@@pianobench6319 yeah, in real life, the most load I'm going to be having is something like Baulders Gate, pal world, or Minecraft lol. I'm guessing it was defaulted so high to give the board room to handle higher loads? Just seemed really high. It was running 1.51v in bios..so hard for me to understand why they did that.
      I haven't really graphed it out like you did. But I ran cinebench and prime95 for a while. The VID was pretty close to Vcore..with vcore usually slightly higher..so I'm thinking I'm good. Again I'm not looking to OC. Just want a system I don't have to worry about

  • @smokeskull
    @smokeskull 3 года назад +4

    Glad I found this channel. I have a Z590 E and 10700K. Hopefully these setting work.

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  3 года назад +1

      Hello, yeah try it out. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Basically the way I am controlling the voltage is by raising or lowering the Ohms resistance. V=iR. And it controls the range of voltages at each frequency.
      Some users have pointed out that their overall operating temperature is lower but they are clocking the same and using the same voltage they used before. Except before they used a manual fixed voltage across all frequency. Now ACDC LL will allow lower frequency to use lower voltage and higher frequency will use the higher voltage. But overall our voltages are lower opposed to using the stock setting.

    • @smokeskull
      @smokeskull 3 года назад +1

      @@pianobench6319 It power throttles almost immediately. I had it set all core to 5.2 and even allowing auto o/c it still power throttles right away.

    • @smokeskull
      @smokeskull 3 года назад +1

      The board has a 8 pin plug and a separate 4 pin but I dont have a 4 pin on my power supply. I cannot seem to find any more information if this is really required or not.

    • @smokeskull
      @smokeskull 3 года назад +2

      Never mind I figured it out. FOr some reason after I allowed Armoury crate to overclock it somehow messed with the memory timing and the power limits. After I changed them in the bios it BSOD instant in Windows so I reset the bios and started over. THanks ofr the tutorial

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  3 года назад +2

      @@smokeskull okay I am glad you figured it out! I don't know much about how to overclock via the Asus armory suite of tools.
      Yes! Always reset to the defaults via bios and if you are having power throttling related issues, try to enable Asus multi core enhancement so you can benchmark your overclock. Afterwords I usually disable the mutlicore enhancement after. I find in my normal gaming that power is never an issue.
      Also keep the load line calibration at level 4 or below. This gives you a good Vdroop under load which is to protect your system from high voltage spikes during an overclock.
      So I keep my system around 1.25 and if a voltage spike occurs the voltage will spike maybe to 1.37 or 1.4 but never crossing 1.4 so we are well within Intel spec.

  • @simbin.
    @simbin. 2 года назад +5

    Thanks for making this video. I can't wait to try it out. I definitely prefer your approach over other methods. What kind of Cinebench scores are you seeing with that configuration?

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  2 года назад +2

      Score wise and performance wise it will be similar to how you overclock normally.
      Yeah, let me know if you have any questions.
      I don't adjust my load line anymore after I ahve dialed it in. But I also don't do any crazy stuff with my 10700K.
      I occassionally push it to 5.3GHz to run like ace combat 7 on unlocked frames or try to match a youtuber's 12900K in frame rates for Cyberpunk 2077.
      So leaving the AC & DC load line to a set value and just adjusting the multiplier without having to always tweak the voltage helps a lot.
      I can link you to an MSI overclocking/bios expert. He works for MSI and I've looked through his tutorial on OC as well. Looks like what I do but he is likely explaining everything better. (He explains in taiwanese however and I can't understand Taiwanese.)
      Thanks for the comment!

  • @toysars
    @toysars 7 месяцев назад +3

    Load line adjustments are normally quite confusing for me, but this video made it quite simple to understand. In stock form, it seems that in basic terms you are undervolting which would help with temps greatly. What I'm curious is, whether load line method is different than using adaptive voltage for core and cache in negative offset mode for undervolting purposes. Have you tried that?

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  7 месяцев назад

      Load line method is basically a fixed voltage. But remember voltage setting always has an idle and then a at load voltage.
      In addition to this, the voltage at load can vary too. Single core voltage load using 75watt will be a different voltage then 200 watt at max core usage. And it is because the frequency will vary also.
      If you left it stock, it does all this work for you. If you use load line ac/dc it will allow you to lower the overall voltage across all the frequency.
      This is because at stock these chips are expected to be able to run AVX prime 95 loads 24/7. But if we under voltage with ac/dc load line, we can probably run prime 95 for a few days/weeks with no crashes. But crash is no longer guaranteed.

    • @toysars
      @toysars 7 месяцев назад

      @@pianobench6319 Thanks. Is using load line ac/dc to lower overall voltage across all frequencies, different than using negative offset with adaptive core voltage? Thats the part I'm not getting. It seems to be different approaches to achieving the same objective.

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  7 месяцев назад +2

      @toysars from what I recall reading back in 2020/2021 the negative offset only has an effect on the at load voltage frequency. So you use stock AC/DC at 1.1 mOhm that is set by Intel and your board for the other voltages.
      But at the maximum frequency you set and at that maximum at load voltage it will apply the offset.
      So at idle it won't apply that offset. Or at between 800mHz and 5000 mHz won't apply the offset in between.
      At least my understanding. With Asus allow per corr frequency adjustment, I don't want to tweak 4 cores at 5.1GHz frequency when I tweak 8 cores at 5.0GHz individual frequency and voltage.
      How can I apply the correct offset at 5.2 GHz and 4.9 GHz? At 5.2 GHz the voltage scales by a lot more then the small offset from 4.7 GHz to 4.9 GHz. Does that make sense?
      It is confusing but it is the difference between automatic voltage for all frequency and one manual voltage for a specific freq.

    • @toysars
      @toysars 7 месяцев назад

      @@pianobench6319 That makes sense. You mentioned, LLC4 gives you a fast response time between high load to low load and vice versa. I still don't fully understand how LLC levels work other than its impact on vdroop and overshoot. For undervolting purposes, is it better to be lower than LLC4 (3,2,1) or higher?

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  7 месяцев назад +2

      @@toysars typically load line calibration (not AC/DC) is meant to protect the CPU from a current spike if we suddenly UNLOAD the demand on the CPU. So imagine a CPU running insane P95 hitting 100C and taking on maximum* current.
      The motherboard knows that the CPU needs this current. And it has to build up the voltage within it's capacitors to keep up with the demand. Remember this is happening really fast. Because..... we want really fast FPS and response right? So fast clock cycles.
      But with this fast power build up, what will happen when we suddenly unload the CPU? Will the temperature drop first? Or will the power delivery stop before that? Sometimes the motherboard is pumping so much current and heat into the CPU that when we suddenly* unload the demand, the CPU can become overloaded and overheated temporarily.
      So in order to prevent this from happening, we prefer to set a load line calibration. Meaning that at idle our chip can be at 1.375 but under load, that voltage can drop to 1.275 volts under load.
      If the CPU was to run at 1.375 under load, it will be closer to it's maximum recommended operating voltage. Which is 1.50v to 1.60v
      But if we set a LLC that is too low, the CPU under load may run at 1.15 volts which will be unstable.
      So LLC4 is generally recommended. If you fine tune your system for extreme overclocking and peak performance crown, I think you can run a higher LLC to be more optimized for high clock and stability. But for the vast majority of users LLC4 is the sweet spot.

  • @TheFPSPower
    @TheFPSPower Год назад +1

    I know this is for 10th gen but thank you. My 13600k was using 200W stock and I thought that was just how Intel is now, turns out my Asrock board had these at 1.7 stock, so I put it down to 0.01 and the difference is MASSIVE, down to 140W. This Asrock board was literally throwing 1.4V to the CPU by default, now its down to 1.2V, this shit could have killed my CPU...

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  Год назад

      Yeah glad you could follow along! Next time I'll be looking at making a shorter video. I realize that this old video was far too long for what we were doing. But I felt it was important not to jump edit or skip any steps.
      I didn't want to lose people especially with a confusing setting like ac/dc load line.
      Glad yah like it!

  • @dirty755
    @dirty755 3 года назад +3

    Very nice video I copied your settings I'm currently on a z490 e gaming I can confirm they work perfectly for me but my vid is a little bit higher and my SP prediction is a little lower but I can rock 5 gigahertz all core with peak voltages of 1.33 and load voltages of 1.25 so far haven't had any issues in games or software and my motherboard is actually a lot cooler using these settings other than offset voltage

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  3 года назад +2

      Nice! Did you used to turn off c-states in your previous overclocking efforts? Could this explain the cooler temperatures now versus prior settings?
      That is one reason why I investigated into this AC/DC setting.

    • @dirty755
      @dirty755 3 года назад +2

      @@pianobench6319 no i had c-states on just before but i have disabled them in the past but i think my latency was more consistent with then enabled so i just left them on even when trying a manual overclock. not really sure why but im a good 4 to 5 celsius cooler my motherboard and ive been gaming all day my mobo temps are around 43 degrees. but before i just set best case scenario with load line 4and a +15 millivolt offset which gave me like 1.33ish peak and 1.25 load. is it just lower voltage across the hardware and vrm with your setting? oh and my vrm setting were never really tampered with other than spread spectrum and current capability which i set to 150%

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  3 года назад +3

      @@dirty755 You are getting better performance because the voltage and frequency requirements for our Intel chips are not linear. What this means is that the voltage and frequency do not follow a straight line on a graph. Instead the voltage vs frequency curve is a non-linear curve. Meaning that it requires more and more voltage to run the cpu at higher frequencies.
      What this translates to in real world usage is that if you set an offset voltage for your highest frequency clock, when your CPU is at a lower frequency (say 4.2GHz instead of 5.0GHz) the lower frequency will be using more voltage than it would if it was instead running at a stock setting.
      AC/DC Load Line is basically the load line for the alternating current and the direct current. If we look at the basic equation volts = current*resistance (V=i*R). So we can already see that there is a relationship between the voltage and current times resistance. AC/DC LL just sets the resistance in the equation above. When we set an offset, the equation may look like this. Voltage = Current*Resistance + Offset Voltage.
      I have the exact equation for VID that Asus uses in calculating the relationship between VID AC/DC Load Line and other values, but it is too complicated even for me to explain and really requires knowledge from someone who works in the industry. There is a lot of information in this forum post by Shamino. And from his posts, it led me to experiment more with this AC/DC method of adjusting my voltage.
      There is a lot of information in this post which is worth looking into. I don't have an i9 10900K with thermal velocity boost so I just took the next best thing. Adjusting my voltage for all frequenies via AC/DC Load Line. So my CPU is now tuned for 5.1GHz, 5.0GHz, 4.9GHz etc..... rather than one frequency.
      Hope this helps?
      rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?106375-MCE-explanations-and-others

    • @toddgabor8810
      @toddgabor8810 2 года назад +1

      What was your settings and load line for 5.0 overclock?

    • @toddgabor8810
      @toddgabor8810 2 года назад

      At 5.0 my motherboard predicts crazy voltages at like 1.4-1.5

  • @anuragparcha4483
    @anuragparcha4483 День назад +1

    Hey man, this was a great video that explained a lot of things. I know this might be expected but I just wanted to confirm it anyway. So my ASRock Extreme Wifi 6E mobo has set the latest bios default AC/DC LL values to 0.74/0.74 however I am experiencing really high temps at stock while running cinebench R23 - 100C on cores 3,5 and 7 after maybe 1.5 loops but my score was around 29000. Now I have reduced AC/DC LL values to 0.1/0.1, the temps dont even cross 80C but my cinebench scores dropped to 16000. Am I missing something? Do I just have to bump the values to find the sweet spot? Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  18 часов назад

      Thanks for the positive remarks. Over the years I started to really observe the ac/dc ll behavior and I missed it in this video. But ac/dc ll is basically a dynamic voltage regulator. So you have a few things going on. (Boost Freq in both single thread and multi thread performance) And then you have power/temperature plus voltage at the boost frequency. All of it is important to find what ac/dc value you want to tweak your system towards.
      If you mainly game and you have say a 14900KS that can boost to 6.2GHz stock (single thread) than you want a higher load line. Say 1.0 mOhm. The chip now boosts happily to 6.2GHz in single thread CB23 and temperatures remain 50C to 60C with power at 50 to 60 watts. If you lower the ac/dc LL to 0.2 mOhm for the same workload above, the boost may not get to 6.2 GHz now. It might limit to 5.9 GHz with slightly lower power/temp because now the voltage provided is lower. This is one case to consider.
      Now same 14900KS all core load for CB23 will operate at 5.7GHz (multi thread load). If you use a 1.1 mOhm ac/dc you may find that the CPU max to 100C and 300 watts and now throttles to 5.5 GHz or lower. The voltage will be hovering 1.4 to 1.5v but the chip will throttle long before that. In this situation you want to tune the ac/dc ll lower.
      So you go 0.6 and now the 14900KS may run CBR23 at 5.7GHz to completion. It could run at 84C and use 250 watt.
      So a few takeaway from knowing this. If you consistently run an all core workload, lower the AC/DC Load Line value. If you run more single thread workloads and you DONT see CPU boosting, consider raising the AC/DC load line value. That is what the ac/dc load line is really doing in the background.
      Some users will try to find that sweet spot you mention. Good all-core load and the CPU boosts to the 6.2GHz (14900KS) or 5.2 GHz (12900K) in single thread workload or for gaming.

  • @smokeskull
    @smokeskull 3 года назад +3

    My system keeps diconnecting anything on the USB C ports. Asus want to "FIX" the motherboard if I send it back to them. Does yours do this? Mine causes studdering during gaming if I leave a decice plugged into the C port.

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  3 года назад +1

      I am not sure about this issue for your Z590-E. I am using an Asus Z490-F. Have you checked the latest bios version if they've resolved those issues?

    • @smokeskull
      @smokeskull 3 года назад +2

      @@pianobench6319 Yes thats the first thing Asus support ask me. I am not pleased abou tthere attitude regarging a fix. I bought a brand neww $500 board and the want me to send it back to them not to replace but to "fix" it. Sounds like they will keep it for a while and send it back to me or send me someone elses problwm board

  • @juliangonzales5884
    @juliangonzales5884 2 года назад +3

    how did you determine .3 mOhms? did you start with .1 and work up?

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  2 года назад +2

      I started with 0.60, then 0.5, etc and worked my way down.
      0.60mOHm is Asus typical case SVID.

  • @gardenia1738
    @gardenia1738 Год назад +1

    Thanks a lot man
    Few questions:
    1. All the IA AC/IA DC loadline talk, is it applicable to 13th gen Intel CPUs? I have a 13700K
    2. Should these 2 values be equal? is lower AC means lower volatge? what about DC lower vs higher?
    3. My 13700K (no overclock, on Asus Z790 Prime, Best Case Senario, HWInfo giving me AC/DC=0.01/1.1
    I notice in Cinebench I have a sizable vdroop from 1.305 to like 1.24
    Thanks

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  Год назад +2

      1. Yes I believe IA (Intel Architecture) AC and DC load line still apply to your 13th gen intel chip. It is how Intel programs their cpu to have optimum voltage and frequency at varying level of power demand. Think of voltage like the Horse Power in a car and the frequency as the high RPMs.
      When you go on a steep uphill climb, your HP does not matter but what actually matters is the TORQUE which in CPU speak is the current. So having an sweet AC/DC LL value is like tuning the torque/HP curve on a car? Does that make sense? So all Intel chips have this. The AC/DC LL values are the sweet spot of the CPU that account for all loads. Both a high demanding (hill climb load) and a low demand (down hill load).
      2. The two values should be equal in order to have the software display the most accurate voltage and power/current reading. You can verify by measuring the voltage in the back. When the two values differ, the displayed voltage will differ from actual measured voltage/current.
      3. Best case scenario just sets the best case voltage tables (or frequency/voltage/power curve) for your CPU. Think of it as the ideal engine curve. It will be both a powerful engine and the most fuel efficient. That is what Best Case will do. But you have to test for stability. Just like in an engine if it is too fuel efficient, you won't be able to handle the steep hill climb. Infact it may go backwards or be unstable.
      The Vdroop is dependant on the load line calibration. Your CPU at idle voltage is higher than the CPU voltage under load. This is because your voltage needs a buffer. When the CPU stops doing work (no more hill climb) the excess voltage needs to go somewhere. Having a reasonable vDroop of Level 4 or in the middle will keep the CPU at a good level.
      Level 4 will provide both a big buffer for the high voltage load to unload. And it will also keep the voltage high enough so that the CPU will be stable when you place a high performing load on the chip.

  • @A4CAPTAIN7
    @A4CAPTAIN7 3 года назад +3

    I wonder if you can help me with my settings I have the 10700K and the z490 e gaming my cooler score is 164 and my SP is 51 what I Ac/Dc settings should I use…I don’t have a solid background in OC but what I noticed that following up ur tutorial my voltages are pretty much higher than yours I don’t know why

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  3 года назад +4

      Hello,
      You can try running your 10700K first at AC LL = 0.6mOhm and DC LL = 0.6mOhm. This is what Asus will set as the default SVID or the Typical Case. The worse case SVID sets AC/DC LL to 0.90mOHms and Intel's fail safe (IE most stable but also most heat) is 1.1mOhms.
      Try to set your system first to 0.6mOhms. See how that performs. Than go down by 0.10mOhms. So first 0.6mOhm, then 0.5mOhms, 0.4mOhm etc.... until you find a voltage you are comfortable with or that is stable. If 0.30mOhm is not stable, try using increments of 0.05mOhms.
      Just keep testing and recording your temperatures, voltages, and at what frequency. Also record the scores from your benchmarks.
      Don't use Prime95 small FFT (nonAVX) for stability testing. Instead just use something like Cinebench R20 or R23. You don't need accurate calculations of Pi for gaming. If you need stability for mission critical calculations. Just consider running your system at the stock settings instead. But we are overclocking for performance =P so accuracy is not necessary!
      Hope this helps! Have fun!

  • @MsFearco
    @MsFearco Год назад +1

    I'm confused. if you adjust dc ll you adjust the vid only. if you put it to something else it'll be incorrectly calculating stuff. why would you adjust that?
    also ac ll increases load voltage on all freq, why would you want that?

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  Год назад

      I understand the confusion. I match AC and the DC load line values in order to read the correct voltage values from the motherboard BIOS and from software voltage value in a program like HWinfo. I validate it by measuring the voltage at the back of the motherboard and the voltage values line up. Almost matching.
      Because we are overclocking and new CPUs have multiple cores that can clock at different frequencies. Back before we had only a single core or dual core CPU, we would just set 1 voltage and that CPU would do it all. It would boost and it would also idle. So we only needed 1 set of voltage values. A boosted voltage and an idle voltage.
      But today we have multiple core CPUs that can boost from 3.8GHz base to 4.7 boost all the way to 5.1 on a single core. As you can imagine, now we have a ton of frequencies and core voltages to account for. Not to mention that if we are on a demanding workload, the heat would make all 8 cores boost less. But if we lessened the workload (say playing counter strike on the half-life mod from 2000) our CPU would have a really light load and the single core can now boost upto 5.4 GHz.
      So the voltage needs to vary for frequency and the workload placed on the CPU (IE heat). I will see if I can produce a graph that can better explain this. I've been meaning to but some time has passed and I haven't been tweaking around with my motherboard anymore.

    • @MsFearco
      @MsFearco Год назад +1

      @@pianobench6319 I understand vf curve just not why change dcll. setting dcll to motherboard impedance should be the way and only adjusting acll, as far as I know..
      adjusting dcll just throws off cpu vid calculations
      voltage read will be correct but the cpu will think that it's incorrect as you tell the cpu "hey I have 50 impedance" while you have 150..

  • @Metalhead-4life
    @Metalhead-4life 2 года назад +2

    Is it a good idea to try to get your AC/DC LL set to the lowest possible setting that is stable?

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  2 года назад +3

      The AC/DC Load Line controls the overall voltage curve.
      It sets the at load voltage and at idle voltage.
      So yes you would want a lower AC/DC load line typically. You want to raise the AC/DC load line if your overclock is unstable. This will in turn raise the voltage.
      Leave your voltage set to AUTO and control it via raising AC/DC load line. Leave load line calibration too a fixed level also. This way you can see the voltage change via AC/DC LL.

    • @Metalhead-4life
      @Metalhead-4life 2 года назад +2

      @@pianobench6319 Yeah I tried it with Auto voltage but I was getting alot of overshoot! I assumed that setting a max voltage cap in bios would fix the issue but it didnt do shit. I originally was getting BSOD's with svid behaviour set to best-case (LLC4) on 11900k so I changed to typical-case & then tuned it down from there, settling on a stable 1.50v ac/dc LL .160mohm 54x3 / 53x5 /52x8 / 45 cache Adaptive w/ no offset

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  2 года назад +2

      @@Metalhead-4life when you manually set an AC LL and DC LL it will override the SVID Behavior defaults set by Asus. Those default values are the following; Best Case = 0.01mOhm, Typ. Case = 0.6mOhm, Worse = 0.9mOhm and Intel Failsafe = 1.1mOhm. Best Case will usually give you the lowest voltage possible and is usually unstable.
      Setting an adaptive voltage of 1.5v will override the AC LL and DC LL settings. Except at idle. At idle it should use your voltage value set via AC/DC LL.
      What CPU is this? How many cores do you have?? 12900K?? 16 cores???

    • @Metalhead-4life
      @Metalhead-4life 2 года назад +1

      @@pianobench6319 11900k 8/16 cores. Yes Im aware of all that. I came from an i7-7700k so when I upgraded the svid behaviour thing was new to me. On Kaby lake the recommendation was to always use .01mohm. When I upgraded to Z590 I tested all of the svid behaviours to see what their values were as you listed above.
      Of course with LLC4 Best-case was unstable so I set out to find the lowest stable AC/DC LL knowing it would be somewhere between .01 - .30mohm and ended up with .16mohm. I could probably safely lower it to .10mohm though and still be stable.
      I read as much as I could find about AC/DC LL and understand it fairly well but Im not sure the exact relationship between vcore & ac/dc ll I guess.
      The only thing that Im unclear about is when you say "Setting an adaptive voltage of 1.5v will override the AC LL and DC LL settings Except at idle". I know that the cpu will follow the V/F Curve when its below max boost but I dont know what you mean by vcore will override the AC/DC LL?
      If that was the case then why am I unstable when I set my vcore to say 1.490v
      Before I set out to find my max overclock I first tried an OC using AUTO vcore but as I already mentioned I was getting alot of voltage overshoot even despite setting a max voltage ceiling in the bios. Things seem much better with a specific voltage set and voltage is well below 1.5v at full load w/ LLC4.
      The only way I would feel comfortable using an auto voltage is if using the V/F curve overclock settings in the bios. I tried it briefly but wasnt able to get as stable an overclock while at the same time achieving as low voltage as I do with my current overclock settings (with 1.50vcore & .16mohm etc)

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  2 года назад +3

      @@Metalhead-4life It gets complicated when you combine setting AC/DC LL values with fixed voltage values. Or adaptive voltage values.
      The alternating current load line (AC LL) and direct current load line (DC LL) are just the actual line (voltage value) at a set load (P95 load or gaming load or idle load). Components in our CPU will use both AC and DC loads. The CPU will see direct current values. But the motherboard VRM has to convert the AC into DC. And also the CPU is constantly requesting a new VID value from the motherboard VRMs. So it is part of the feedback system.
      Which is why we have VID and Vcore. VID being the voltage that the CPU requests, the motherboard has to prepare this voltage prior to the CPU requesting it. When the CPU finally sees the voltage, it is reported to us as Vcore.
      So it is a complicated system that I cannot easily demonstrate. But this is how I understand the AC load line and DC load line options.

  • @Dssfox
    @Dssfox Год назад +1

    10700k with sp of 93, damn! my 10700k had 51, my current 10900k has 97.

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  Год назад

      I think Intel 14nm only got better yields as time went on. So we were able to see a whole bunch of highly binned chips with good volt per frequency capabilities.
      How do both of your chips work with the AC/DC LL overclocking/underclocking? Idle and clock well?

  • @We_Are_I_Am
    @We_Are_I_Am 3 месяца назад

    So setting AC Loadline lower than stock is the same as setting a negative adaptive offset?

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  3 месяца назад +1

      Somewhat. It is much more complicated than that. Adaptive voltage offset has to run through 3 rules before you see the voltage that you have set in place.
      Here is the original post that got me to start using AC/DC LL to trim my voltages. I learned it from this post and I adjust my voltage the same as him. Set a good load line calibration and trim the voltage with AC/DC.
      rog-forum.asus.com/t5/z370-z390/mce-explanations-and-others/td-p/780479

  • @jeffsmith6371
    @jeffsmith6371 3 года назад +2

    Will this info work for 11700k also? not really on the edge but looking for gains

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  3 года назад +3

      I believe so. I checked the latest Asus Z590 motherboard and I know that Asus Z490 motherboards can also accept Rocket Lake 11th gen CPUs!
      What motherboard are you using? I might be able to find a photo where the setting is located.

    • @jeffsmith6371
      @jeffsmith6371 3 года назад +1

      @@pianobench6319 currently msi z490-a pro but I have my eye on a z490-e for a killer price. currently at 5ghz allcore for gaming

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  3 года назад +3

      @@jeffsmith6371
      I think MSI motherboard's label the Intel AC/DC Load Line values as CPU Lite Load. www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-meg-z490-unify/images/bios_26-copy.jpg Here is an explanation of what it does via an MSI forum FAQ.
      forum-en.msi.com/faq/article/cpu-lite-load
      I believe it adjusts both the AC/DC values in one setting. But you would have to perform some testing to confirm this. Just ignore the power value and focus on the CPU lite load voltage value. Since the power is AMP*VOLTS = WATT if the current is fixed, then it is just the voltage we are adjusting. It is just that MSI labels it CPU Lite Load vs what asus labels as AC/DC LL in units of mOhms.
      You can verify your AC/DC Load Line value in HWinfo as I show in the video.

    • @pianobench6319
      @pianobench6319  3 года назад +3

      Here is a thread that futher explains the CPU Lite Load in your MSI board. forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/10850k-questions-and-concerns-w-z490-mpg-gaming-edge-wifi.361871/post-2053487

  • @actosium
    @actosium 9 месяцев назад

    So i tried these settings with i7 12th gen and 3060 rtx and in warzone my gpu was running at 1% Can someone explain how these settings make my GPU slack off?
    I need to learn to check the stats of monitors and to know what they do.
    Edited: Newest WarZone is utilizing 50% CPU and 0-1% GPU I find it weird. Explain pls. Valorant utilized 40%GPU and 25%CPU