Excellent! I've seen so many instructors let students fail and flail, never making that connection about building muscle memory based on successful rolling rather than failing to roll. Well done, well articulated.
I’m also a strong believer in getting out of my boat and protecting their shoulders… none of that flopping them over on a high brace before they can roll non-sense. Thanks for watching!
@Send School - Kayaking Tutorials spot on. How do you "truly" practice bracing if you don't have a roll? Never understood that progression 🤔 im interested in seeing your bracing drills (low & high) I've been alternating low/high on side surf. Flat water drills would help.
Very good, thanks! After paddling for 25 five years, still learning little tricks to make my role better. You have alot of good teaching experience, its obvious in your videos. Thanks a bunch!
Este video es excelente!! Muestras y explicas con absoluta claridad y simpleza, el complicado proceso del roll. Lo he visto muchas veces y lo tengo como referencia para mi práctica. Muchas gracias!! Ya me he suscrito a tu excelente canal.🛶
Hey thanks for the great video. I sent this to my friend prior to his first day. After working on hip snaps and T rescues, he was able to roll on his first attempt.
This is easily one of the best instructional vids I've watched. Trying to roll past year, slowly coming together 👊 I never factored tension in til now. Thank you.
Superb explanation of how to learn to roll with confidence! It is a really nice feeling when you feel your kayak rolling smoothly upright during a smooth hip flick movement. Very much appreciated!
Thank you so much. I left my roll in a shuttle vehicle a while back and couldn’t find it. A couple of things you said made sense and helped get me out of these bad habits. A big one was leaning too far forward! I don’t know how that became my position but it was breaking my roll. I owe you a beer if you are ever on the Eagle river. Cheers
Great video. May I also recommend getting into your boat on a nice grassy lawn. Great place to start learning and perfecting your hip snap. Any you roll back up, try dragging your hair across the lawn. Also, in the water, you can tell the first time you get the hip snap. You may find yourself not stopping and going over the other way!
Thank you so much for the professional advice to this most excellent sport. Am registering to the local kayak classes and hope to find an excellent instructor. I loved the sections when you emphasized “time and repetition”, “relaxed and tensions”, core “muscles memory” and lastly the “shampoo commercials” head tilt.
Just wanna reach out to Boyd at Send school and say thank you your video has been super helpful Due to ur video I was able to self teach myself the brace and now going for lessons on the roll this winter
Great introduction to the roll video. That no hands roll was super impressive. I have a decent on and offside roll and my next goal is the hand roll. I had not seen a no hands roll before. Now I have yet another thing to add to the list.
1st: thank you for the video. I've paddled for many years, initially canoe and then kayak. Took chances, looking back that were foolish and got away lucky. I have never seriously considered learning the roll until I happened to click on your video. From your video, I learned things that I never realized before but after watching your video, several times did you change your set position when sitting on the dock and then when you were upside down in the water did you change to the right side? I going watch again because I'm not sure I am getting it. Or maybe watch a different video.
Great informative video, can i add something, if youre using the side of the pool, i wouldnt recommend the pool side being any higher than a couple of inches above the water as this can lead to shoulder injury, especially if youre getting on a bit in age and or you hardly use your arms/shoulders in every day life. I did my rotator cuff in whilst practising on the side of the pool, the pool side is about 4-5 inches high and it put too much strain on my shoulder due to the higher angle. I would much prefer a student to use a pool or paddle float for the hip flick practising if the pool side is high. Another thing is that you do not really mention about opposite leg, i reckon stamping the opposite leg will lower it and very much aide in the flick :)
Thank you for subtitles, dude. I hope it will be in all such important videos. Can I get an answer? (from anybody). I really don't understand, why you teaching C to C roll? IMHO, the sweep roll is better in all case on a river. Maybe, because sweep roll is lot easier to learning?
I've been away a bit so sorry for the late response. Glad you like the subtitles! It's a lot of extra work to do right, but seems like it's helpful. Most paddlers will likely evolve into some sort of sweet roll eventually, but I wouldn't say it's necessarily better than a C to C. The benefit to teaching a C to C roll initially is that you can break things down into more manageable parts for a complete beginner. All roll types essentially have a set up, sweep and hip snap, but in the sweep roll you just do two steps at once and it can be a lot for some people to think about or learn initially. A general rule of thumb is that really flexible and smaller paddlers will often do better learning a C to C first. Heavier and less flexible clients may have to learn a sweep roll first... the cost of starting with a sweep roll is that it's actually much easier to reinforce good form and a safe range of motion in a C to C roll than in a sweep roll and easier for someone to learn a sweep roll first with poor or even dangerous (to shoulders) form. Eventually, my recommendation is to move on from both anyway into a proper back deck roll or rodeo roll. It's faster, less exposed, and more versatile than either the sweep or the C to C rolls.
Good video, shared to club :).Personally I was surprised when you enphasised seperation of upper and lower body. I ended up rolling using the exact opposite idea where the sweep drives the hip flick.
@@sbsgardening6722 absolutely… only difference with a low brace is the elbows are up and hands further down, the front face (convex side of blade) is pointed down toward the water and move across the surface toward the bow. When you high brace, elbows are down at your side and hands always below your shoulders. In all braces, avoid straightening your arm or extending it out to the sides and keep your paddle directly in front of you… ie always in the box 🤙🏻
Excellent video, Boyd, thanks for making this! So many things were said in ways I haven't heard before. It sure makes me realize I have a ways to go before achieving body separation because bringing my head up too soon kills me. I recognized this as being my opposite knee engaging to pull the boat back on top of myself...until you mentioned tension. I struggle with this, too, when stepping it up to bigger water and working on your video having to do with ""locking it in". Achieving the "lock it in" without tension and maintaining body separation all at the same time isn't as easy as you make it look! Also, what do you say to those of us who seem to have a hard time getting our front control hand above the water line? I don't know if it's my broad shoulders or what, but that is difficult for me. What I always try to do is make sure my rear hand is above the water, against the plastic, and "thumb up the butt" (how a female instructor got through to me your concept of not leaning forward but actually to the side while staying in the box). I found interesting the comments below having to do with wrist rotation relating to "on-side" and "off-side" rolls. I've started using my paddle at zero degrees and found I like it. I haven't really analyzed how my wrists are cocked forward as opposed to not but found my "off-side" roll to be easier and more reliable (I tend to dive my paddle when using the "on-side" roll)...now wondering if it's because as you say the left control hand remains more level as opposed to cocked forward and isn't so much the degree of the blade? There's also a comment you made below having to do with pressure on the blade in bigger water, eddys, below waterfalls, etc. I would love it if you could in the future elaborate more on that...sometimes I feel in bigger water that when I go to sweep, there's no purchase at all and my paddle just sinks. Can't wait until I can hand roll and pull off your no-hands roll. Great job on your videos. Hope you keep making content.
Hey there.. stoked you’re watching and even more stoked you’re taking so much away from these videos! Some tension can be good, the Lock In for example. When locking it in, you’re as tense as you can get, but only in terms of not moving front to back. Side to Side is still relaxed, so controlled/deliberate tension is good while accidental tension can cause problems. Trouble getting your front hand out of the water is typically a tucking or leaning back issue when it comes to the setup. Good posture adds flexibility for the reach. If your posture is good though and you’re still having trouble, it could just be a size or flexibility challenge with your body type and then sweep type rolling is extremely helpful but even moving on to a back deck roll could work better for you. As far as testing your blade angle, zero degrees is definitely easier for rolling because it’s more natural on both sides. Simply do a setup while sitting upright and look at your front blade. It should be flat to the water or slightly tilted down away from your boat (just a gentle angle). Are you left handed? the offside could be better due to left hand control or it could be that you’re more focused on the technique or just more relaxed on that side and using less arm… it’s hard to say without seeing it though. I definitely accentuated the blade sweeping action more dramatically than I would typically do on a roll, but learning to find that pressure is essential. I’ll cover that in detail in the Bomb-proofing Your Roll video… and I’ll include drills for practicing it.
Best video I’ve found! Great explanation with detailed video showing the fine detail. You are definitely a talented instructor. Thank you for sharing. What would be your honest opinion of age limit for those who want to kayak and needing this fundamental technique? Thanks!
Getting the paddle out of the water is very difficult or impossible for some folks. Getting the paddle out of the water depends on their torso length, arm length, and flexibility. For some people, myself included, getting the paddle out of the water isn't feasible and I have a strong and reliable roll. For myself, I find that getting my paddle near the surface while getting my torso perpendicular to the boat and close to the surface combined with an effective hip-snap/knee-drive rotation is the key to rolling.
When I took a class on rolling a sea kayak, they emphasized that the setup with the kayak paddle out the water, was also a safety signal to other that your are kayaking with that you are using okay.
Good stuff Boyd. I’ve got a pretty good roll on my on side and my off However, there are those few times where my paddle gets hung up which causes me to lift my head and I’ve seen a lot of instructors that will tell you to cock your wrist backwards to shed the resistance of the water so my question to you is, do you start off with your wrists cocked forward and then as you sweep, do you cock them back to shed the resistance or do you keep them cocked forward the whole time?
For the onside roll the wrist is always down, but for the offside roll this wrist is often straight. The difference is that in the onside roll the front hand controls the blade angle, but in the offside roll the back hand controls it. A good way to know you’re good when you setup is to place your paddle next to you and use your control hand (back hand) to adjust the blade to be flat against the water’s surface or slightly sloped away from your boat into the water. It’s easier with lower offset (twist) paddles obviously, but they reduce good torso rotation on strokes so it’s a trade off. Hope this helps and thanks for watching!
I know exactly what you are talking about. This is addressed in the old school video "The Kayak Roll". Rolling your wrists back to shed resistance is a fine way to finish a sweep roll. This only should be occurring during the recovery part of the roll, once you have hip-snapped your boat upright and are recovering your body back over your boat. By rolling your wrists backward you add pressure to the back side of the blade creating additional support to aid recovery of the body back over the boat. It is VITAL that you only roll your wrists this way once you have already COMPLETED the hip-snap and your boat is upright, or you will not be able to finish the roll. Frankly, it's not a necessary step, and I would not make this a focus point of your roll. Plenty of us can sweep roll with or without the wrist roll-back. The most important thing to focus on is getting your hip snap strong. The fact that you are catching the blade in the water causing you to capsize again suggests to me that you are pulling too hard on the blade during the roll, and not strong enough with the hip snap yet. When you pull hard on the blade for support it causes the blade to dive creating more opportunity to 'catch' water during the recovery as you lift the paddle out. Again, I would suggest first focusing your attention on the hip snap, and getting comfortable hip snapping with little (or less) support from the paddle, and only then focusing on using a rolling wrist if you want to shed more resistance on the blades exit from the water. An instructor would be better able to tell you what exactly is going on.
@@UriahJones84 I appreciate the feedback and clarification. I’m going to do just that. As mentioned, I typically execute about 90% of my rolls, possibly more but without a doubt there’s a few tweaks that can be made to solidify it into being more consistent roll and the ones you mentioned will be my prime focus, thank you.
After doing my first few rolls I filmed myself and noticed that I don’t really keep my head down nor do I lift it up when doing the C2C. My head kinda stays neutral but I still get upright with a solid snap
Hey Boyd I have a question for u I just bought a Medium Gnarvana and i only bought it based on that im too tall for a small antix 2.0 I am only 135 pounds with all my gear on so am i gonna have alot of issues paddling or should i be okay ?
Must be really tall… Medium Gnarvana is WAY too much boat for you at 135 pounds, even if you’re tall. We do weight ranges without gear on btw. Have you tried a medium Antix 2.0 or small Gnarvana? Both would fit better. You can get away with it for a moment, learn to roll it, etc, but a boat with that much volume will mask a lot of your mistakes and likely lengthen your learning curve down the road. 🤙🏻
I used a med antix 2.0 at wilderness tours for my beginner program N I has to use it cause I was too big height wise n yeah I'm 6 foot n I called the store I bought my gnarvana at n they said if it's to big they have a dagger code small n I know I fit into that boat
I've never been able to open my eyes underwater, and usually use glasses when kayaking. I can't see for shit underwater when I've tried (plus it's really uncomfortable) and feel like every big wave blinds the hell outta me in whitewater. Is there a special trick or do you just deal with it?
It’s not about looking around under water or watching what you’re doing. It’s about developing feel and muscle memory… learning with goggles and based on sight can actually hinder your long term progress because you begin to depend on the wrong input.. so for rolling, close your eyes and feel. An instructor is good to have to keep you on track. For just paddling downstream, I wear contacts instead of glasses and not all contacts work well. Acuvue 2 are the best, Acuvue Vita are okay most of the time, any others wash right out or blur. You’ll eventually develop a feel for looking around, timing for your eyes, etc, but the biggest thing is to relax and just feel as unified with the water as you can. Your body will adjust.
First, you must do the underwater crunch and get that paddle as high as possible. Then do a medium fast sweep and throw the hardest and fastest hip snap ever. The key to the hip snap is timing. The reason you sweep is to get your body up high in the water and straight out from your boat so you can be in position to hip snap. People who suck at it emphasize the sweep and don't really have a hip snap. They try to do it all with the paddle and get half way up and then lift the head to get air. So the author is correct: a lifted head is not the problem - the problem came before the lifted head. When you do it right, you are using all your core muscles to get in the setup. Then you keep "crunching" to stay high underwater. The sweep and hip snap take little muscle - just technique. Then wait until you can feel the boat turn upright before you bring up your upper body, with the head and back shoulder drooping downward. It is against your basic nature - until you do it right, and then your body wants to do it right in order to avoid a swim. That is when it all turns around for you and you can actually do it in the river at the bottom of a rapid.
Tucking forward is for whitewater kayaking where rocks and other hard obstacles are in the way. It keeps you from bumping your head against them. Ocean kayaking is a different kettle of fish.
tucking forward kills your roll in all kayaking- this is a whitewater channel- but rolling dynamics are the same with both. The best way to avoid rocks is to roll faster and that means focusing on proper technique by not tucking forward when you roll. This roll technique also works in all kayaks
Don't agree about the head. The head controls the spine. Move your head down to the right fairly vigorously, the shoulders (locked perpendicular to the spine) move that way because you have curved your spine that way, altering the angle between your hips (attached to the boat) and your shoulders (atteched to the paddle by your arms.) C to c is about the curve of your spine, during the set up and at the end of the roll. The aim is to maximise the transition of the curve from curved over to the left to curved over to the right, whether a sweep or C to C roll. The head does this. Unless you freeze, as he says. That is why you have to get your head down and keep it down. If you don't get your head over to the right then you don't flex your spine far enough, or if you lift your head too early you straighten the spine which takes pressure off the paddle and stall the roll. Part of the trouble is the label "hip snap". It's not just the muscles controlling the lower part of your spine, the hips, but also about muscles higher up in your back controlling the upper part of the spine. A brilliant video otherwise. Thank you.
If the head controlled the spine, then how could I roll with my head up as an example? You’ve got your body mechanics wrong on this one. No worries though, thanks for watching… 🤙🏻
@SendSchool Stand up straight. Move your head firmly over to the right. Your shoulders will tilt to the right. But the shoulders are not hinged to your spine. They have tilted because you curled your spine to the right driven by your head. Now stand up straight again. Looking straight ahead, bend over to the right ad far as you can keeping your head straight. Now tilt your head over to the right. Do your shoulders mover further over to the right? Now just lift your head, no more. Did your shoulders move. All dynamic moves are driven by the head. Rolling is no different. If the learner lifts his head, because he has completed the hip movement far as he can he moves his shoulders taking pressure off the paddle. He fails. Learners have to be told that it is not just the lower muscles controlling hip flex but also the muscles controlling the upper spine that have to be engaged and that is why the head is so important.
@SendSchool you can roll with your head up because you have a powerful and well practiced roll. You said so yourself. But beginner's don't. They need to employ the head and complete a full lateral transition. Coaches universally recognise that the head can destroy a roll. I am not convinced that they understand why, often talking about the weight of the head out of water. The hip snap is a rotten name for the action required, very misleading, but no one has come up with a better name.
@@brianmitchell4042 If you’d like to learn more, there are some great kinesiology journal articles you could read on focused muscular actions of the hip that disagree, but you can trust “convention” if you want. You really just need to decide if you want pro advice or not... Either way, thanks for watching. 🤙🏻
@SendSchool a little arrogant, perhaps. When you use the pool side to teach the hip snap why do you insist that they keep their head right down, if not to maximise their spine curve? Particularly if, as you say, you don't need to do that to roll a kayak? That all you need to do is curl up in the set up position and hip snap into no more than an upright position?
All in all a great video. But your sweep roll demos aren't quite right in my opinion. You find a lot of pressure on your blade that shouldnt be there in a well executed sweep. Anna has a beautiful sweep roll that should be strived for. ruclips.net/video/dcEUR904gHI/видео.html
One more thing you’ll want to think about, as a more serious answer… finding pressure on your blade may not be as pretty, but when you start rolling in whirlpools, boils, under waterfalls, and in convergences and looking to bombproof your roll for more extreme whitewater, you’ll have to learn how to seek pressure with your blade to roll off of, in and from any direction… that pressure comes from anywhere
Thank you so much. I left my roll in a shuttle vehicle a while back and couldn’t find it. A couple of things you said made sense and helped get me out of these bad habits. A big one was leaning too far forward! I don’t know how that became my position but it was breaking my roll. I owe you a beer if you are ever on the Eagle river. Cheers
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Some people are naturally good at explaining things and this guy is one of them.
thanks for the support! 🙏🏻🤙🏻
Excellent! I've seen so many instructors let students fail and flail, never making that connection about building muscle memory based on successful rolling rather than failing to roll. Well done, well articulated.
I’m also a strong believer in getting out of my boat and protecting their shoulders… none of that flopping them over on a high brace before they can roll non-sense. Thanks for watching!
@Send School - Kayaking Tutorials spot on. How do you "truly" practice bracing if you don't have a roll? Never understood that progression 🤔 im interested in seeing your bracing drills (low & high) I've been alternating low/high on side surf. Flat water drills would help.
I think this is the best how to roll your kayak video . Thank you.
you’re so welcome 🙏🏻
Very good, thanks! After paddling for 25 five years, still learning little tricks to make my role better. You have alot of good teaching experience, its obvious in your videos. Thanks a bunch!
Thanks for watching! 🤙🏻
This is Korea. I'm learning kayaking. Your video helped me a lot. Thank you!!
This is the only video which tells fundamental concepts and logically explains why! The best how to roll video.
@@kyawzeya3259 🙏🏻🤙🏻
Having taught the roll myself to numerous people, I can definitely say that all the key details to learning to roll are given here, good job !
Este video es excelente!! Muestras y explicas con absoluta claridad y simpleza, el complicado proceso del roll. Lo he visto muchas veces y lo tengo como referencia para mi práctica. Muchas gracias!! Ya me he suscrito a tu excelente canal.🛶
Hey thanks for the great video. I sent this to my friend prior to his first day. After working on hip snaps and T rescues, he was able to roll on his first attempt.
This is easily one of the best instructional vids I've watched. Trying to roll past year, slowly coming together 👊 I never factored tension in til now. Thank you.
Superb explanation of how to learn to roll with confidence! It is a really nice feeling when you feel your kayak rolling smoothly upright during a smooth hip flick movement. Very much appreciated!
And I thought I knew everything about rolling, wow such detailed list of technical aspects, thank you so much!
Thank you so much. I left my roll in a shuttle vehicle a while back and couldn’t find it. A couple of things you said made sense and helped get me out of these bad habits. A big one was leaning too far forward! I don’t know how that became my position but it was breaking my roll. I owe you a beer if you are ever on the Eagle river. Cheers
stoked to hear your roll is back in action!! 🤙🏻
Excellent explanation of the technique. Definitely the best overall presentation that is easy to follow
Great video. May I also recommend getting into your boat on a nice grassy lawn. Great place to start learning and perfecting your hip snap. Any you roll back up, try dragging your hair across the lawn. Also, in the water, you can tell the first time you get the hip snap. You may find yourself not stopping and going over the other way!
Thank you so much for the professional advice to this most excellent sport. Am registering to the local kayak classes and hope to find an excellent instructor. I loved the sections when you emphasized “time and repetition”, “relaxed and tensions”, core “muscles memory” and lastly the “shampoo commercials” head tilt.
@@christophertran8896 you’re welcome! Thanks for watching!!! 🤙🏻
A very clear, useful, helpful wideo. Thanks muchly.
Boyd very nicely said and looking forward to seeing the other videos and you are right the more relaxed you are the easier it is
Fantastisk could not be explained any better, best I have seen
Really great video. Very easy to understand. You seem like a great teacher
Just wanna reach out to Boyd at Send school and say thank you your video has been super helpful
Due to ur video I was able to self teach myself the brace and now going for lessons on the roll this winter
Fantastic! Thank you. This guy really knows his stuff.
Ganz wunderbar erklärt - herzlichen DANK und Grüße
Awesome video. Very excited to see the rest of the series!
me too! 😂
Great introduction to the roll video. That no hands roll was super impressive. I have a decent on and offside roll and my next goal is the hand roll. I had not seen a no hands roll before. Now I have yet another thing to add to the list.
Great video thanks looking forward to your other rolling videos that you mention at the end
Good stuff! I look forward to the full series.
I'm so ready to get it all out there! Can't wait for you guys to see it
excellent tutorial as always, cant wait for the others on this topic
Thanks for watching! I'm excited to finally get them out there
I can't wait for the hand roll video! I want to be able to do that hand roll with no hands. A no-hand roll I guess?
1st: thank you for the video. I've paddled for many years, initially canoe and then kayak. Took chances, looking back that were foolish and got away lucky. I have never seriously considered learning the roll until I happened to click on your video. From your video, I learned things that I never realized before but after watching your video, several times did you change your set position when sitting on the dock and then when you were upside down in the water did you change to the right side? I going watch again because I'm not sure I am getting it. Or maybe watch a different video.
Such a fantastic instructional video. Good work, my friend!
Thanks man!!! 🙏🏻 Stoked!
Very thorough, much appreciated!
Great informative video, can i add something, if youre using the side of the pool, i wouldnt recommend the pool side being any higher than a couple of inches above the water as this can lead to shoulder injury, especially if youre getting on a bit in age and or you hardly use your arms/shoulders in every day life. I did my rotator cuff in whilst practising on the side of the pool, the pool side is about 4-5 inches high and it put too much strain on my shoulder due to the higher angle. I would much prefer a student to use a pool or paddle float for the hip flick practising if the pool side is high. Another thing is that you do not really mention about opposite leg, i reckon stamping the opposite leg will lower it and very much aide in the flick :)
Great piece of advice. You are completely right and clearly not a sub-par paddler.
Very imformative video, thanks for making it
Bring on the 'how to teach the roll' video! VERY few good videos on that. Bring it on.
Thank you for subtitles, dude. I hope it will be in all such important videos.
Can I get an answer? (from anybody). I really don't understand, why you teaching C to C roll? IMHO, the sweep roll is better in all case on a river. Maybe, because sweep roll is lot easier to learning?
I've been away a bit so sorry for the late response. Glad you like the subtitles! It's a lot of extra work to do right, but seems like it's helpful. Most paddlers will likely evolve into some sort of sweet roll eventually, but I wouldn't say it's necessarily better than a C to C. The benefit to teaching a C to C roll initially is that you can break things down into more manageable parts for a complete beginner. All roll types essentially have a set up, sweep and hip snap, but in the sweep roll you just do two steps at once and it can be a lot for some people to think about or learn initially. A general rule of thumb is that really flexible and smaller paddlers will often do better learning a C to C first. Heavier and less flexible clients may have to learn a sweep roll first... the cost of starting with a sweep roll is that it's actually much easier to reinforce good form and a safe range of motion in a C to C roll than in a sweep roll and easier for someone to learn a sweep roll first with poor or even dangerous (to shoulders) form. Eventually, my recommendation is to move on from both anyway into a proper back deck roll or rodeo roll. It's faster, less exposed, and more versatile than either the sweep or the C to C rolls.
Super helpful!! Thank you!
When is the full series
Good video, shared to club :).Personally I was surprised when you enphasised seperation of upper and lower body. I ended up rolling using the exact opposite idea where the sweep drives the hip flick.
so calm to listen to lots of other vids are fast and frantic lol cheers
Great video Thankyou , just a question
Do you still keep the box shape when low bracing into waves ect??
@@sbsgardening6722 absolutely… only difference with a low brace is the elbows are up and hands further down, the front face (convex side of blade) is pointed down toward the water and move across the surface toward the bow.
When you high brace, elbows are down at your side and hands always below your shoulders.
In all braces, avoid straightening your arm or extending it out to the sides and keep your paddle directly in front of you… ie always in the box 🤙🏻
Thankyou very much great help
Excellent video, Boyd, thanks for making this! So many things were said in ways I haven't heard before. It sure makes me realize I have a ways to go before achieving body separation because bringing my head up too soon kills me. I recognized this as being my opposite knee engaging to pull the boat back on top of myself...until you mentioned tension. I struggle with this, too, when stepping it up to bigger water and working on your video having to do with ""locking it in". Achieving the "lock it in" without tension and maintaining body separation all at the same time isn't as easy as you make it look! Also, what do you say to those of us who seem to have a hard time getting our front control hand above the water line? I don't know if it's my broad shoulders or what, but that is difficult for me. What I always try to do is make sure my rear hand is above the water, against the plastic, and "thumb up the butt" (how a female instructor got through to me your concept of not leaning forward but actually to the side while staying in the box). I found interesting the comments below having to do with wrist rotation relating to "on-side" and "off-side" rolls. I've started using my paddle at zero degrees and found I like it. I haven't really analyzed how my wrists are cocked forward as opposed to not but found my "off-side" roll to be easier and more reliable (I tend to dive my paddle when using the "on-side" roll)...now wondering if it's because as you say the left control hand remains more level as opposed to cocked forward and isn't so much the degree of the blade? There's also a comment you made below having to do with pressure on the blade in bigger water, eddys, below waterfalls, etc. I would love it if you could in the future elaborate more on that...sometimes I feel in bigger water that when I go to sweep, there's no purchase at all and my paddle just sinks. Can't wait until I can hand roll and pull off your no-hands roll. Great job on your videos. Hope you keep making content.
Hey there.. stoked you’re watching and even more stoked you’re taking so much away from these videos! Some tension can be good, the Lock In for example. When locking it in, you’re as tense as you can get, but only in terms of not moving front to back. Side to Side is still relaxed, so controlled/deliberate tension is good while accidental tension can cause problems.
Trouble getting your front hand out of the water is typically a tucking or leaning back issue when it comes to the setup. Good posture adds flexibility for the reach. If your posture is good though and you’re still having trouble, it could just be a size or flexibility challenge with your body type and then sweep type rolling is extremely helpful but even moving on to a back deck roll could work better for you.
As far as testing your blade angle, zero degrees is definitely easier for rolling because it’s more natural on both sides. Simply do a setup while sitting upright and look at your front blade. It should be flat to the water or slightly tilted down away from your boat (just a gentle angle).
Are you left handed? the offside could be better due to left hand control or it could be that you’re more focused on the technique or just more relaxed on that side and using less arm… it’s hard to say without seeing it though.
I definitely accentuated the blade sweeping action more dramatically than I would typically do on a roll, but learning to find that pressure is essential. I’ll cover that in detail in the Bomb-proofing Your Roll video… and I’ll include drills for practicing it.
Thank you for this great video Boyd!
Great Video.
Best video I’ve found! Great explanation with detailed video showing the fine detail. You are definitely a talented instructor. Thank you for sharing. What would be your honest opinion of age limit for those who want to kayak and needing this fundamental technique? Thanks!
This was awesome 👏🏾 rolling is 🔥can’t wait to see the series 🤩
I love your videos. Send me the instructor rolling video when you make it please!
you're so awesome!! It'd be an honor! 🙏
@sendschool this may seem like a silly question
When rolling from the onside set up position ? What hip am i hip snspping left or right 😊
You mentioned a rolling vid for instructors. However, I can’t seem to locate it. Can you help? Long time kayaker - love your channel. Thanks!
I just got a bit stalled on edits while up in Canada working on paid projects. I’ll get it out soon… it’s almost done. Thanks for watching!
Getting the paddle out of the water is very difficult or impossible for some folks. Getting the paddle out of the water depends on their torso length, arm length, and flexibility. For some people, myself included, getting the paddle out of the water isn't feasible and I have a strong and reliable roll. For myself, I find that getting my paddle near the surface while getting my torso perpendicular to the boat and close to the surface combined with an effective hip-snap/knee-drive rotation is the key to rolling.
Good stuff! Have just found and subscribed. Thanks!
Interesting! I was taught to cock my wrists up now down like you described. My roll feels solid but not 100% will try this next pool session
Amzing Video! Thanks a lot for me as beginner i thias great help
When I took a class on rolling a sea kayak, they emphasized that the setup with the kayak paddle out the water, was also a safety signal to other that your are kayaking with that you are using okay.
Great great rolling video
Wow nice activity
I wish you could tell all those people who keep saying “don’t lift your head” ad nauseam that a lifted head is a symptom, not a cause.
ME too 😂… Thanks for watching 🤙🏻
Where is your school located? I just found your video and would love to learn. Thanks.
you are AMAZING!!
Good stuff Boyd. I’ve got a pretty good roll on my on side and my off However, there are those few times where my paddle gets hung up which causes me to lift my head and I’ve seen a lot of instructors that will tell you to cock your wrist backwards to shed the resistance of the water so my question to you is, do you start off with your wrists cocked forward and then as you sweep, do you cock them back to shed the resistance or do you keep them cocked forward the whole time?
For the onside roll the wrist is always down, but for the offside roll this wrist is often straight. The difference is that in the onside roll the front hand controls the blade angle, but in the offside roll the back hand controls it. A good way to know you’re good when you setup is to place your paddle next to you and use your control hand (back hand) to adjust the blade to be flat against the water’s surface or slightly sloped away from your boat into the water. It’s easier with lower offset (twist) paddles obviously, but they reduce good torso rotation on strokes so it’s a trade off. Hope this helps and thanks for watching!
I know exactly what you are talking about. This is addressed in the old school video "The Kayak Roll". Rolling your wrists back to shed resistance is a fine way to finish a sweep roll. This only should be occurring during the recovery part of the roll, once you have hip-snapped your boat upright and are recovering your body back over your boat. By rolling your wrists backward you add pressure to the back side of the blade creating additional support to aid recovery of the body back over the boat. It is VITAL that you only roll your wrists this way once you have already COMPLETED the hip-snap and your boat is upright, or you will not be able to finish the roll.
Frankly, it's not a necessary step, and I would not make this a focus point of your roll. Plenty of us can sweep roll with or without the wrist roll-back. The most important thing to focus on is getting your hip snap strong. The fact that you are catching the blade in the water causing you to capsize again suggests to me that you are pulling too hard on the blade during the roll, and not strong enough with the hip snap yet. When you pull hard on the blade for support it causes the blade to dive creating more opportunity to 'catch' water during the recovery as you lift the paddle out.
Again, I would suggest first focusing your attention on the hip snap, and getting comfortable hip snapping with little (or less) support from the paddle, and only then focusing on using a rolling wrist if you want to shed more resistance on the blades exit from the water. An instructor would be better able to tell you what exactly is going on.
@@UriahJones84 I appreciate the feedback and clarification. I’m going to do just that. As mentioned, I typically execute about 90% of my rolls, possibly more but without a doubt there’s a few tweaks that can be made to solidify it into being more consistent roll and the ones you mentioned will be my prime focus, thank you.
After doing my first few rolls I filmed myself and noticed that I don’t really keep my head down nor do I lift it up when doing the C2C. My head kinda stays neutral but I still get upright with a solid snap
After this video, I will focus on the hip snap, which is the most important
Thank you kindly
Hey Boyd
I have a question for u
I just bought a Medium Gnarvana and i only bought it based on that im too tall for a small antix 2.0
I am only 135 pounds with all my gear on so am i gonna have alot of issues paddling or should i be okay ?
Must be really tall… Medium Gnarvana is WAY too much boat for you at 135 pounds, even if you’re tall. We do weight ranges without gear on btw. Have you tried a medium Antix 2.0 or small Gnarvana? Both would fit better. You can get away with it for a moment, learn to roll it, etc, but a boat with that much volume will mask a lot of your mistakes and likely lengthen your learning curve down the road. 🤙🏻
I used a med antix 2.0 at wilderness tours for my beginner program
N I has to use it cause I was too big height wise n yeah I'm 6 foot n I called the store I bought my gnarvana at n they said if it's to big they have a dagger code small n I know I fit into that boat
I've never been able to open my eyes underwater, and usually use glasses when kayaking. I can't see for shit underwater when I've tried (plus it's really uncomfortable) and feel like every big wave blinds the hell outta me in whitewater. Is there a special trick or do you just deal with it?
It’s not about looking around under water or watching what you’re doing. It’s about developing feel and muscle memory… learning with goggles and based on sight can actually hinder your long term progress because you begin to depend on the wrong input.. so for rolling, close your eyes and feel. An instructor is good to have to keep you on track.
For just paddling downstream, I wear contacts instead of glasses and not all contacts work well. Acuvue 2 are the best, Acuvue Vita are okay most of the time, any others wash right out or blur. You’ll eventually develop a feel for looking around, timing for your eyes, etc, but the biggest thing is to relax and just feel as unified with the water as you can. Your body will adjust.
Thank you .
you’re welcome! 🤙🏻
You really help me
On this vid
Thanks
Great info, thanks. However a lot more pool rolling video with voice background explaining would be much better
I still can't roll, and it's putting me off paddling when others are on the slarlom
I am learning to kayak and the roll is challenging,, but I must continue to learn. Lets both get this roll down
First, you must do the underwater crunch and get that paddle as high as possible. Then do a medium fast sweep and throw the hardest and fastest hip snap ever. The key to the hip snap is timing. The reason you sweep is to get your body up high in the water and straight out from your boat so you can be in position to hip snap.
People who suck at it emphasize the sweep and don't really have a hip snap. They try to do it all with the paddle and get half way up and then lift the head to get air. So the author is correct: a lifted head is not the problem - the problem came before the lifted head.
When you do it right, you are using all your core muscles to get in the setup. Then you keep "crunching" to stay high underwater. The sweep and hip snap take little muscle - just technique. Then wait until you can feel the boat turn upright before you bring up your upper body, with the head and back shoulder drooping downward.
It is against your basic nature - until you do it right, and then your body wants to do it right in order to avoid a swim. That is when it all turns around for you and you can actually do it in the river at the bottom of a rapid.
Tucking forward is for whitewater kayaking where rocks and other hard obstacles are in the way. It keeps you from bumping your head against them. Ocean kayaking is a different kettle of fish.
tucking forward kills your roll in all kayaking- this is a whitewater channel- but rolling dynamics are the same with both. The best way to avoid rocks is to roll faster and that means focusing on proper technique by not tucking forward when you roll. This roll technique also works in all kayaks
@@CleanLineKayaking thanks for reply and info. It’s been decades since I used to kayak and just getting back into it now.
@@ozramblue117 welcome back! 🤙
Don't agree about the head. The head controls the spine. Move your head down to the right fairly vigorously, the shoulders (locked perpendicular to the spine) move that way because you have curved your spine that way, altering the angle between your hips (attached to the boat) and your shoulders (atteched to the paddle by your arms.) C to c is about the curve of your spine, during the set up and at the end of the roll. The aim is to maximise the transition of the curve from curved over to the left to curved over to the right, whether a sweep or C to C roll. The head does this. Unless you freeze, as he says. That is why you have to get your head down and keep it down. If you don't get your head over to the right then you don't flex your spine far enough, or if you lift your head too early you straighten the spine which takes pressure off the paddle and stall the roll.
Part of the trouble is the label "hip snap". It's not just the muscles controlling the lower part of your spine, the hips, but also about muscles higher up in your back controlling the upper part of the spine.
A brilliant video otherwise. Thank you.
If the head controlled the spine, then how could I roll with my head up as an example? You’ve got your body mechanics wrong on this one. No worries though, thanks for watching… 🤙🏻
@SendSchool Stand up straight. Move your head firmly over to the right. Your shoulders will tilt to the right. But the shoulders are not hinged to your spine. They have tilted because you curled your spine to the right driven by your head. Now stand up straight again. Looking straight ahead, bend over to the right ad far as you can keeping your head straight. Now tilt your head over to the right. Do your shoulders mover further over to the right? Now just lift your head, no more. Did your shoulders move.
All dynamic moves are driven by the head. Rolling is no different. If the learner lifts his head, because he has completed the hip movement far as he can he moves his shoulders taking pressure off the paddle. He fails. Learners have to be told that it is not just the lower muscles controlling hip flex but also the muscles controlling the upper spine that have to be engaged and that is why the head is so important.
@SendSchool you can roll with your head up because you have a powerful and well practiced roll. You said so yourself. But beginner's don't. They need to employ the head and complete a full lateral transition. Coaches universally recognise that the head can destroy a roll. I am not convinced that they understand why, often talking about the weight of the head out of water. The hip snap is a rotten name for the action required, very misleading, but no one has come up with a better name.
@@brianmitchell4042 If you’d like to learn more, there are some great kinesiology journal articles you could read on focused muscular actions of the hip that disagree, but you can trust “convention” if you want. You really just need to decide if you want pro advice or not... Either way, thanks for watching. 🤙🏻
@SendSchool a little arrogant, perhaps. When you use the pool side to teach the hip snap why do you insist that they keep their head right down, if not to maximise their spine curve? Particularly if, as you say, you don't need to do that to roll a kayak? That all you need to do is curl up in the set up position and hip snap into no more than an upright position?
Also if you try to roll on your own you can you know..... Drown.
The C2C roll was actually invented by a guy called Michael (Micky) Mouse. I $h¡t you not!
@SendSchool i also ended up getting a small Gnarvana
All in all a great video. But your sweep roll demos aren't quite right in my opinion. You find a lot of pressure on your blade that shouldnt be there in a well executed sweep. Anna has a beautiful sweep roll that should be strived for. ruclips.net/video/dcEUR904gHI/видео.html
cool man thanks for watching. I think my roll is just fine 😉😂🤙🏻
One more thing you’ll want to think about, as a more serious answer… finding pressure on your blade may not be as pretty, but when you start rolling in whirlpools, boils, under waterfalls, and in convergences and looking to bombproof your roll for more extreme whitewater, you’ll have to learn how to seek pressure with your blade to roll off of, in and from any direction… that pressure comes from anywhere
Thank you so much. I left my roll in a shuttle vehicle a while back and couldn’t find it. A couple of things you said made sense and helped get me out of these bad habits. A big one was leaning too far forward! I don’t know how that became my position but it was breaking my roll. I owe you a beer if you are ever on the Eagle river. Cheers