For those who are wondering where the discussion about Pencak Silat disappeared you can find me and Ramsey Dewey discuss Pencak Silat here: ruclips.net/video/YdUxZ826KcY/видео.html
This is the most idiotic comment i have ever heard Japanese ju-jutsu you only train and no pressure Do you Know why they dont use it in full contact and under presure ? people die and its one of the major reasons Judo exist as Ju-jutsu , is a martial art created to kill , disable and hurt some one the most effective way . not some sport element , ju-jutsu has no rules. you want to rip some ones eyes out you do it . you need to break some ones kneecaps you do it . There is a reason why Ju-jutsu is called the mother of all martial arts ( asian that is ) and that only competive forms are sparing , katas and fighting sysem . You go full contact many people will break limbs and some will die . Any self respecting martial arts practitioner knows this , it like bajonet fighting and shooting at targets in real life people die . So that also awnsers your question its just training , I bet you dont even know what martial arts are and what a self defense sport is . or even the origins of martial arts or what european martial arts are. Here is a hint they are for war not for sport. a sport has rules preventing lasting or injuries. martial arts have none . nada zero null.
I give it C+ for these reasons : 1. When you are on the ground, you can't run. 2. When you are held, you can't run. 3. When you can't abandon your love ones, you can't run. 4. When there is no space, you can't run. 5. When you are slower,, running is useless.
Ever so casually, Icy Mike gave us one of the best thoughts about self-defense: "You need to be really amazing at one specific thing, and be good enough at everything else to funnel people to that".
Greco-Roman is fantastic for a street fight. If you can't get the guy to the ground, you BJJ won't mean a whole lot. A suplex on the concrete is game over. My buddy threw a dude over the bar in a scrap. A quick hip toss and the fight was done. But, it all depends. You can clipped with a hook, knee, upper cut, etc...on the way in.
I agree 100% that one of your best self-defense skills is verbal de-escalation. I've worked in the military, high-risk security and VIP protection and in all areas verbal de-escalation has played the biggest role. As a trainer, I used to tell new guys that the best martial art was a verbal judo class. You can't lose a fight that doesn't start. You also can't get sued for it. People don't think about it, but if you beat the crap out of a guy and then the civil court finds out that you've studied ten different martial arts and fought amateur MMA...things don't look quite so rosy for you if you didn't make every effort to de-escalate first.
Does that include a man intent on assaulting a woman? I’m probably wrong but since they are mostly about power and control and almost always nothing to do with sexual desire verbal de-escalation is probably unlikely. Especially since in this situation you may be 3/4 of the way past deep doo doo before you even realize you’re in deep doo doo.
Problem is: psychopathic predators don't "escalate". So you won't have an opportunity to "de-escalate". If you are still talking, violence is not warranted. If you're attacked, defending yourself is not "violence"
I'm 70 years old. I currently hold Black Belts in Taekwon-Do, and Shotokan Karate and have 25 years of Yang style Taichi Chuan. I joined organized martial arts when I was in my early 40's. I did so for exercise. Having said that I started fighting when I was around 10 years old. School yard fights, back alley scraps and later parking lot fights when the bars closed. I had many many fights in my early 20's and 30's. I have an Anxiety Disorder that manifests itself as anger. Consequentially I ended up in prison in my early 20's. But that is another story. I have been beaten so severely that my own father didn't recognize me. In my early 40's I decided to start with organized martial arts for exercise. And first started playing Tai Chi Chuan and then gravitated to Taekwon-Do and Katate with a bit of Judo thrown in. I found that organized martial arts helped me with my anxiety which in turn helped me with the anger issues. OK. But I never viewed, and still do not view, organized martial arts as a form of self-defense other than how it helps me emotionally. Organized Martial Arts from what I've seen is concerned with rules and is generally sports orientated. Which, I suppose, is the the most effective form of self defense. "Defending oneself from our greatest enemy which is the one that lives inside of us." But that is "waxing philosophical". As a martial arts instructor I have taught self defense classes. But those have nothing to do with any type of organized Martial Arts. Self defense is defending yourself. It is fast, dirty and get out of there as quickly as possible. And it is not "fighting". Do what you have to/need to, to get out of the situation. If possible do not allow your assailant to grab onto you but if they do you need to eye gouge, bite, or stab them with whatever is at hand. The second step of self defense is "Don't put yourself in the position to get hurt in the first place." That is the second step because the first step in 'self defense' is learning to believe that you are actually worthy and therefore you deserved to be defended and take care of yourself. Don't put yourself in harms way. As I mentioned I've fought, I've fought hard, I've kicked and bit and been kicked and bitten. I've run away to fight another day. People need to stop confusing organized Martial Arts as self defense. There is no "tapout" when you get assaulted in an alley. There is no ref or corner judge or coach.
One of the reasons my school doesn't teach tournament sparring - muscle memory trained in specific rules and level of force will not help you if you are fighting against it when you need it. Sure we spar and tag each other decently wearing pads so we don't serious damage, but otherwise we keep it only organized in the sense of standard dojang traditions - strength, cardio building, forms, defense techniques - but otherwise it can be pretty improvisory in application when we play around.
@@harryohrn6051 I took a college class in self defense and the instructor swore on shotokan. He had a dojo with a partner. Some of the SD was good. They mock attack a student in the parking lot but he was warned against it, because they got reported..lol not in my class prior classes. He was a former police officer. Try CBD and or anxiety meds. Some try the real herb in low doses..CBTs for anxiety are secondary.. You won't win any tournaments. It is may help you get out and run for help or cover. If you go toe to toe an old guy like me will lose anyway..you gotta break something and split. If they grab you work with it for the next move. Thinking of signing up again but everything is expensive..
@@harryohrn6051is muy Thai of any value? How abouts kenpi? I think boxing is of value, but I don't like the dancing, around. I don't like the ducking punches. I am so short if they catch me ducking they will just jump on top of me push me down or something dirty. I also hate the ethnic pride bull.
As a former Wrestler with 11+ years of experience, I think one of our biggest issues in a self defense situation is how vulnerable we can become to outside interference in an actual street fight. If you are getting in a fight, chances are there are going to be more that just you and your opponent there. There is a high likelihood that as soon as you take a guy down and start clubbing him with your fists (we don't know what punching is), his friends are gonna come in and kick you square in your head, and next thing you know you are getting jumped. While I think this is a pretty universal weakness in grappling in general, I think other martial arts/ self defense systems are more equipped to deal with something like that. If we had to rank the best SUPPLIMENTARY martial arts, I think wrestling and a lot of grappling arts would rank pretty high, but by themselves, there are a lot of dangerous holes for a self defense situation.
ya I got jumped after I hip tossed a dude and was on top ground and pounding his friend came up and kicked me in the face big issue then got jumped so personal experience but its true
I had this exact thing happen to me. I had tripped a guy and got on top of him and instantly got kicked in the throat by his friends was a terrible situation to be in lol
If I percieve more than one person, thats when the pen or pencil in my pocket comes out.. one on one, if the guy doesnt have grappling experience, he is toast.
the biggest issue is the slow thinking in play, you decided bare hands while you got car keys on your pocket in the first place, a pen or pencil can do it too. always look out for anything is the key, you can even find a brick to bash their head. theres a reason why i always carry a bag with only 1 book with me so i can block sharp objects (its a habit, i came from a city with a school war tradition who fights with sharp weapons) i did taekwondo and boxing, but only a fool fight bare hands in the street you just simply do not do that (but who am i to say such things i knew about punching people first before doing any martial arts so maybe its just another habit)
@@spacey9707 my FIRST thought when I am about to throw down in a street is always "does this guy have friends and or weapons and if so how do I neutralize this?"... sometimes the art of talking is best lol. but i'm prepared to do the worst, to ensure my or my loved ones safety, so talking is my preferred route.. for BOTH our sakes.
As someone who has unfortunately been in alot of fights, something I've noticed is that grappling pretty much always comes into play, even when neither myself or an opponent(s) intended to. You're in a survival mindset, you get close to somebody attacking you, and you instinctively grab and hold. Grappling training with a basic knowledge of striking is your best bet in a life or death hand to hand situation. Boxing is great but the candid videos you see of dudes lighting someone up on the feet, is in reality, a small fraction of street fight's outcomes. I took capoeira for 5 years, and I agree with what they said 100%, one thing they missed in it's favor, is the understanding of measuring and rhythm it gives you, which if a fight goes long enough on the feet (>30 secs), is a HUGE benefit to your safety and success. That being said, there's no great defense for a bullet. The best fight is one you just don't get into.
I have dabbled in several martial arts over the years...they make a very valid point...the one I learned the most in was the one where I got punched in the face. 😁
IMHO Capoeira, because of its multi directional movement and ability to control space, is better at defending against multiple opponents than on a one on one situation.
Most of what I remember in Tae Kwon Do, it was 95% conditioning. Practice was run laps, 2 basic kicks, 3 basic hand strikes, run laps, cardio + footwork practice, run laps, pushups+situps+more bodyweight, sprints, practice taking body shots, run laps, and stretching. Then run more laps. It didn't teach me to win a real fight, but I sure as hell could run without gassing out and throw a decent punch. Good starting point for learning a practical fighting style.
The lowest risk of getting injured in a fight is to not be in a fight. Running with decent stamina to avoid the fight should be the primary defence, and for some reason people always drop it....
Definitely a good starting point. We didn’t spar much when I was in it, almost 5 years. I transitioned into Tang Soo Do alternating BBJ biweekly. We spar. I’ve seen how TKD has definitely helped in a lot of ways. As you stated. I knew I needed to have some pressure testing so a change was good. I’m better at my kicks and definitely more limber than most student in class.
the footwork is legit, and if taught correctly you will learn to kick correctly. but you will NOT learn to defend yourself. I did TKD, worked at a school... but on its own TKD is useless
TKD is one of the most beautiful martial arts. Unfortunately though... hands and fists are almost always faster than knees and legs! You never get to kick artfully with a running start in real life situation. And y'all know dat!
I was like "I'm not about to watch an 1:23:14 long video, so I'll just click on the ones i want to hear about" and then i clicked on every martial art out of order and watched the entire video lol
I have a real life example regarding boxing and wrestling. Two friends were involved a fighting vs a larger group of people (sort of self-defense situation, as they may or may not have had option to run away). One was trained boxing, one was trained wrestling. One on one, the wrestler would destroy the boxer, but in that fight, the boxer was unharmed (knocked out few attackers in fact), the wrestler was badly injured because he took the fight to ground (he knocked one guy out, but was beaten by the the group). If there are multiple people involved, don't go down ground.
@@TyGosketch I didn't know I have super power to make reality. I was talking to real person face to face, and we touched fists. You can choose to believe me or not, after all, I'm only a random dude on the internet.
Was boxer a golden gloves champ with some brain cells? Was wrestler a JV wrestler who couldn't get a starting spot to save his life. Here's another story for you. Had 2 friends one was a folk style wrestler other guy did muay Thai. Muay Thai guy got mobbed and brought down by 5 dudes got the shit kicked out of him. The wrestler hit a few dudes with the ground knocked some of them out. They tried mobbing the wrestler but since getting up off the ground and escaping is a required skill he was able to fight off the group.
Having grown up in one of the most dangerous part of my town in poland and seeing people geting jumped on daily, this list is very odd. I think it all comes down to the viciousness and fact that theres usually more than 1 opponent. Kickboxing and muay thai always was the king and fellas who were training those faired by far the best.
@@alexanderstevens145 This is huge, i think they did mention it a bit in the clip, but you need to be ready to get hit, multiple times. Whatever you train, however good you may think you are, there will be pain.
@@timproc9355 While you are right, if your opponent is a vicious monkey who doesnt care about your life, and your takedown try is literally a coin flip with better odds due to your training (seen too many wrestlers not being able to take people down to change my mind), id rather stick to standup. Life isnt gym mat.
Agreed. They obviously have a grappling bias as most sport fighters do. Would love to see a grappler take on multiple opponents or deal with small joint manipulation, blades, biting, etc.
I dont know about Mike but i do muay thai and my opinion is sambo and sanda both work very well but i dont know if its different enoph from kickboxing or mma to fall into a different section.
This was so easy to watch. I started it without looking at the length and about 20 min in realized what I signed up for lol I am happy that I wrestled in HS for 4 yrs and that coupled with Army Combatives training has always made me at least a little more confident in my ability to defend myself and my loved ones. I don't want to give anyone too much false hope, but even simply being the first to calmly step up can easily turn people away from wanting to fight you. I've stepped up to groups of 2 or 3 dudes who wanted to do harm to someone else on multiple occasions and they turn away with a remark. Nobody wants to fight someone who's calm and confident.
it is true what you said, confidence has a huge role in defining a situation, but to be actually capable is to some degree a concrete confidence that will be shown, so better be actually competent than looking like one.
@@blahhdelmygmailcom you’re right and it’s not always the right move to step up at all. I did put the disclaimer in there that I wasn’t trying to give too much false hope lol All anyone can do is trust their training, knowledge and instinct to make the right call.
@@tmauntler Active self protection channel on youtube talks about this.. 3rd party encounters, be VERY careful, because you don't know who either person is or what it's about or what they're capable of. But if there's something happening where you don't think you can look yourself in the eye ever again if you let it happen, of course you do what you have to, but he generally advises to stay out
@@Drikkerbadevand lol well, they were all people I knew/loved being targeted in ways I couldn't turn from. I agree that not knowing context can simply make things worse
This is why I always defend aikido as a useful practice. I've literally had people try to punch, grab, or kick me thousands of times and am so desensitized to bodily threats that I'm not going to freeze up in a bad situation. I've trained people who don't have that experience and it's really sad how vulnerable they are psychically (I mean sad in an empathic way, there are a lot of reasons to be that way).
Fun fact: greco-roman grappling techniques were developed to be used in real combat situation (particularly in war) and we have historical records of those techniques being actually used in battle.
@@lovelife1867 We don't know, the sources jusy say "wrestling". A famous case (and also a quite lqte one, since it happens in late antiquity) is that of Andreas, in The Battle of Dara, under the command of Belisarius.
@@ronfox5519 That happens all the time. We now have these typologies of swords, weapons and techniques, these specific categorizations, and ancient and medieval chroniclers just write "sword", "spear", "wrestling". The only marked differentiation that we get from ancient sources is πάλη (Pálē -wrestling-) from πανκράτιον (pankátrion -a form akin to modern mma).
@@jarlbregadan914 same shit different names. They all learned the same thing, and it all falls under the same umbrella. Complicating this is like discussing lineages with kung fu freak nerds.
Get used to it. All of these "Best Martial Arts" videos come from know-nothings that just wanna gas up the martial arts they like. Go into the Aikido forums, and they'll be talking shit just as hard. Same with Krav Maga, Boxing, Muay Thai, etc. Hell, the most shit-talk tends to come from BJJ guys that couldn't throw a punch to save their lives, but they'll try to convince you that they could take down 4-5 armed Crips.
@@mixdayful oh wow snow flake, in real fight you don't care about the rules. Leave your anime reality. “Muay Thai is not winning ufc fights” - yeah it is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. +
@@mixdayful Muay Thai as seen today has rules for use in sports competitions. But its origins come from being used by soldiers to fight for their country hundreds years ago(Nowaday called "Muay Thai BoRan"(Boran = old style). Therefore, Muay Thai in that era could do anything because it was created to kill enemies. (In those days there were no guns, only swords and knives. Muay Thai is practiced when you don't have a weapon in your hand to kill your enemy.)
They did. Boxing is easily A Tier or higher. The issues with BJJ is it only works 1 on 1. And even if you think it's 1 on 1, it may not be if the guy has a buddy role up. Never go to the ground if you don't have to
I tend to agree. I read a quote from a pro boxer once. He said that most people think of the sport version of boxing when they dismiss it as a self-defence system. However, experienced boxers know how to use elbows in close, know how to strike vital targets that normally aren't allowed, know how to clinch effectively... They just don't get to use these techniques in competition. If a boxer taught himself a few basic kicks and grapples, he would be pretty formidable.
Yeah, but boxing doesn't teach kicks and grapples. If you teach a judoka basic kicks and punches, he would be just as if not a harder opponent than boxing with basic kicks and grapples. I mean one on one, the boxer needs to be very good at keeping distance or get a really good hit, before a grappler gets close. Because as soon as the grappler gets close it's over.
My japanese Jiu Jitsu club was excellent. I think mainly due to our instructor though... he had black belts in multiple martial arts and used to encourage us to go train at other clubs. He said we may learn techniques that work for us, but was confident that at worst we'd appreciate our club more. He also said if we learned something cool somewhere else, he wanted us to show it at our club and see if it was viable. He was a pretty cool instructor.
I feel like og jujutsu has the best mentality of being the most open minded in situations as it's similar in fashion to wrestling historically and mma but gets too defensive based. Whereas you need to use it against resistance and attackers at full force.
@@NeroAngelo616 the Ryu of Japanese Jiu Jitsu I studied as a child in Penang had offensive moves and weapons.. we were taught Weapons before we learned empty hand techniques, some thing I have done over the last 35 years of Instructing
@@THE_Secular_Conservative It's one of the oldest arts as most martial arts are a refined piece of it extended down from the 20th century onwards. Og Jujutsu was a piece of the Samurai.
I’ve trained three years of Muay Thai and after traveling around to different dojos in the U.S, the biggest issue is tradition vs. fitness. So many people try to compete locally and although their cardio is excellent and they are muscular, their technique is lacking. Striking a balance between the two is important.
Exactly. I was shopping for quality Muay Thai training and most dojos were based on exercise. Found one that was tradition/Thai way. He trained in Thailand, got certified in Thailand, and fought in Thailand. Everyone really needs to research a new dojo as well as the teacher(s).
Understanding where it hurts to get hit on the human body is essential. I got beat up a few times and then realized where it hurt and used that technique back on those who bullied me. I only won about a dozen street fights in my life.
I'm a south African and have been in a mugging situation twice in Cape Town. I never knew instinctively that If I where to find myself in that situation weather I would have a fight or flight/freeze reaction. I practiced wing-chun forms for many hundreds of hours before these incidents. IE: The forms where wired into my brain like a musician's instrument. The first incident happened when my dumbass wanted to take nighttime photography of the town during a misty night. (dont do that in SA). I was jumped by two guys and I responded so quickly that I surprised myself. I always trained to use palms and fingers to the face and fists to the solar plexus. Because of my hard wired training and explosive reaction I managed to mess both guys up and escape with my camera, which was my source of income at the point. I probably would not have responded the way I did if it was not. The guy who thought he was a flight man became a martial artist in a second. (this sounds lame but it's true). The second time I was much more aware of my situation and as the assailant reached into his hoody pocket for his weapon blood was coming out of his nose. I did not stick around in either situation. I acted very swiftly and left just as swiftly. I was fitter and stronger back then but I know that those neural pathways are still in my brain and my body will react without much thought. I dont need to bench the whole gym if I can stick my finger in someone's eye; they don't want to play when they are blind. Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk.
Judo is very underrated as self defense, slamming a guy on the ground usually just takes the person out, if you're not careful you may hurt his head depend on where it lands, the thing about judo, I always ask my sensei to teach me no-gi throws because not everyone will be wearing jackets for you to perform that.
I think Judo + some striking techniques are enough for self-defense/street fight. It provides throws, ground works, chokes, joint locks, sweeps, holdings and strikings enough for a regular person.
One thing about street fights/anything outside a competition or sparring session? The ground is typically a LOT harder. Seriously. Getting slammed on a hard floor is not fun. And concrete? Just call the ambulance already.
It's also really good because it has some of the most practical training/sparring of any sport so it really helps you stay in control in these situations
@@PeaceDweller depends why you’re learning martial arts. Sambo isn’t as popular or accessible and outside of Russia and it’s neighbours the quality of the coaching isn’t consistent. I like judo because of the respect, rules and uniqueness of its style. Self Defense wise sambo is good but it is also very technical with limited sparring because it is not as common so in practical in-the-moment testing it’s not as strong.
Here in eastern europe countries there are a lot of street fights as you can guess and there are also alot of Judokas and I can tell you especially a Judoka against a non trained person is devastating. Judo is really dangerous in a street fight, usually 1 throw and it's over as most of the times an untrained person wouldn't know how to land and would hurt themselves pretty badly
As Icy Mike said, Judo is better for stand-up fighting in a self-defense situation than BJJ is, but BJJ is better at ground fighting than Judo. That said, in my opinion, it is preferable to keep yourself standing in a self-defense situation than going to the ground if you can, and Judo more or less allows that.
@@ig-8892 bij = judo. Check their background. Gracie family were thought judo. Not jiujitsu Wich never made it to Brazil. It is judo and teaches the same curriculum. Judo has the same ground game. Just not in competition. Might i add judo is the sport version of jiujitsu (military fighting). It being a sport means that its main focus is NOT to hurt your opponent. It's literally the soft path. Jiujitsu practitioners will throw you head first into the ground. Result death. It's no joke. A good judo guy can throw you and knock you out. But judo teaches all the throws,holds,locks,chockes,passes ECT. Because BJJ = Judo
@@glowNINE But Judo will take out the untrained in a move easy and I've used it in real fights subduing a person and Army sparing where I just could not stop myself from throwing full speed which knocked the guy almost out and out of it for a good amount of time. But correct I know from WWII British commando Karate can kill in one blow.
I do want to point out that Aikido is one of the martial arts used by the Japanese police to incapacitate perpetrators in Japan in combination with other Japanese martial arts in a system they call taiho jutsu(which literally translates arrest technique). You can see the influence of Aikido along with Judo in taiho jutsu in this video: ruclips.net/video/hBwB1-GqjXk/видео.html
@@christopherknight3942 There is a big difference between facing someone to fight them and trying to use Aikido and being a Police Officer and having someone on the ground and using a joint lock. Keep in mind that Aikido will get a person hurt in a real fight. Aikido was created for "show" not "go"
@@johnreidy2804 Aikido's predecessor Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu has been around for hundreds of years and includes long and short sword training. Aikido because of it's defensive philosophy is a watered down version of it but includes many of the same joint locks you find in Daito Ryu. The application of it's techniques are situational just like Krav Maga but because of it's limited nature(purely defensive with no strikes or grappling) is best used with other martial arts just like taiho jutsu. I like being a complete fighter myself and have trained in different martial arts and can attest that some of the techniques aikido or it's Korean equivalent hapkido teaches is indeed quite effective even against a larger opponent resisting in certain situations.
@@christopherknight3942 Aikido is worthless and its Korean equivalent is NOT Hapkido which is effective. If you think I'm wrong go pull up a video where two people face off and the Aikido guy wins. You won't find one unless its just for laughs. The creator of Aikido Ushebi even said it was for show. The word Aikido even means "harmony and together". Its basically a choreographed dance friend. Really it's not what some think it is.
I trained in Japanese ju-jitsu for 3 years and we full contact sparred in every class, both standing and ground. There was a degree of weapons training that was mostly knife and sword work. I consider myself very lucky because I was worried that it was a mcdojo. I had a mugging confrontation and the techniques in that class saved me getting my ass beat.
We used to do the same in aikido. Messing with rubber knives, marker pens and plastic bottles. It sounds funny but helps immensely with timing and situational awareness. You also realize how many times an aggressive opponent "marks" you.
A Navy Seal once said the two best MAs to learn for self-defense that're available to the public are boxing and BJJ/GJJ, simply due to the fact they're highly effective even with the worst instructors.
@@Liberum69 I don't think that's necessarily the case. The most effective martial arts will already be known of. Most military martial arts will be ones that can be taught quickly because they have to spend so much time training other things and the chances of hand to hand combat in warfare involving no weapons is very unlikely.
@@abcdefksohfosuh9024 That makes sense. And it explains his practical suggestion of boxing and BJJ, too, as they become useful very, very quickly, and it's easy to find somewhat competent trainers in most places, unlike most MAs.
I see boxing as the best martial art, because boxing is more effective than wrestling and bjj, is true that boxing doesn't teach you what to do if you're on the ground but it's the best way to finish a fight, for example if you're fighting in a street fight against three opponents, how are you going to end the fight with them with wrestling or bjj ??? You can't even subdue one opponent because the others will destroy you, but boxing on the other hand is the best martial art to teach you how to punch harder and deliver a knockout that will finish the fight
As someone who wrestled for 15 years it really makes me happy to finally hear it included in a "top martial arts" discussion... always feels like it gets left out but you guys summed it up perfectly.
bro do you live under a rock? i never did anything martial whatsoever, i am a super-casual mma pseudo-fan, and even i have heard countless times that wrestling is the shit - makes you durable, strong af, physically and mentally tough, and "most of the top mma-fighters come from wrestling" (probably heard it from Rogan)
@@jaromor8808 lol I might as well be living under a rock, haven't watched MMA for quite a while. Last I was watching the only thing anyone talked about was BJJ.
@@nein62 I'm sure you have seen Khabib when he was dominating MMA. He was a tough wrestler. Now there is this guy called Khamzat, and he is a scary dude making his fights look like he is fighting amateurs, and I believe he is a tough wrestler.
Wrestling and judo are easily the best grappling martial arts for self defence and wrestling is the best for MMA. One throw on concrete is all it takes to ko someone a double leg that leaves you in the top position gives you the perfect opportunity to strike someone and finish them
Perfectly how,there's no strikes or submissions in plain old wrestling and in a streetfight it's useless against multiple people. Do you know how stupid you're gonna look just going for a double leg over n over? You can easily get hit by someone else while you're grappling. No way it's an S.
8:38 In my experience with Gracie BJJ, we'd usually do 1 hour of lessons & drills, followed by 1 hour of free rolling with pressure. The rolling was done from Day 1, but they'd go relatively easy on you until you're ready for more. It was a safe environment to be progressively challenged.
i was thinking the same thing. from one side sport allows to pressure test the art and produce strong athlete but to pressure test the art it's hisk risk techniques have to be removed in order to practice the art somehow safely. then again if we were to practice self defence it would always be partial and a lot of it couldn't be tested anyway so we are probably still better of practicing sports like wrestling, judo, bjj etc. but it obviously can get to the point of taekwondo where sport gets so ridiculous that it become patting contest. ps: the good taekwondo that they talked about is ITF and it still sucks- in competition strong kicks nd punches are not allowed and actual class consists of at least 50% patterns training(kata).
Yeah I thought that was a good conversation and then it sort of went out the window for TKD. All the other sport arts made it to at least C- I appreciate this list more than others I’ve seen.
I have taken Judo, Taekwondo, Wrestling, Muay-Thai and a little bit of BJJ. Unfortunately I've been in alot of bar fights and this describes what has happened to me on many occasions. 1. Punches, kicks, shoves get thrown (first 10 seconds) 2. Clinch (next 5 seconds) 3. O Goshi or Uki Goshi happens quickly, they land HARD and I get side control. (fight usually is about to be over at this point because people around now intervene by pulling you off or attempt to kick you in the face etc) Judo - O Goshi or Uki Goshi variation is the most natural, easiest and effective technique in a street fight once you clinch. Judo has been the most helpful martial art for me in real life situations.
Looking at the data, most street fights end within the first 10 seconds because people lack basic boxing skills. To defend against punches and to throw them properly is probably your best initial skillset to know. Therefore BOXING is S tier in my opinion, and as you say, some basic clinching skill and judo is next.
Anybody done 6 months of boxing can obliterate any 6 month BJJ practitioner. Yeah nobody will drop on the floor even if you ask them nicely so that you can do your Gracie magic.
I disagree about Escrima, I did a year of it at that point in my life and was attacked by a guy with a knife and was able to disarm him after getting stabbed once in the arm and slashed on the ribs. Those drills saved my life because it was dark and one of my contact lenses got knocked out in the scuffle. It could also have been the 16 years of karate, 3 years of BJJ, 1 year of Muay Thai and was teaching gymnastics in my twenties. All I saw were flashes of silver and had no time to think it was just reactions burned into me from repetition.
Icy Mike is basically saying the same thing I've been thinking about while considering a martial art to get into. Being REALLY good at one and exceptionally well at others to compliment what you are really good at. Kind of like mixing a striking art like Taekwondo with some Muay Thai and a takedown and groundwork art like wrestling or jui-jitsu.
yea i did TKD at the age of 8-14 and still continue i thought of BJJ but now that i see this list i feel like there are 3 other better ones (in A/-A/B list)
@@charzanboo9940 if time is your limiting factor, just buy a pistol. The problem with training something that teaches "natural weaknesses" is that it's highly technical (stuff like joint manipulation, pressure points, understanding balance/center of gravity, etc.,) and that takes *a ton* of time for it to be realistically useable under pressure. If you want the overall (in my opinion) best combination of martial arts for self defense, I'd say learn wrestling (catch wrestling ideally, but less common) and muay thai.
how about sambo? and also, which combo of two of those you talked about would you place on top as the most likely combination (of two) in being able to defend yourself? what about boxing/greco-roman?
From my experience, getting on the ground in general was never a good idea for self defense situations. Mostly because every instance of a street fight I've seen or briefly been involved with was heavily centered on groups of people targeting smaller groups or even an individual person. I've seen guys get on the ground to do a choke or attempt an armbar only to be descended on and mobbed. It's why I'd suggest Judo instead of BJJ or Wrestling, personally.
Judo though promotes a lot of bad habits in terms hip throws. Turning you back especially if you don’t have as many points of contact (no gi) is bad. Most foot sweeps maybe besides O Soto or Ouchi require the opponent to be operating under Judo rules (and a fancy de ashi to strike is not going to help you if you can’t throw a cross). Even if you get thrown it’s worse on concrete but not fight ending necessarily. If your opponent has any natural wrestling inclination, you don’t train sprawls and in fact are probably standing too straight.
@@gudea5207 It does train bad habits, there's no arguing that. I can only recommend Judo more than I can BJJ due to what I've personally seen. Which is Judo being used to end fights by sending a guy head first onto concrete compared to the one or two times I've seen someone bring a fight to the ground, only to get mobbed on. I also say this, being someone who practices BJJ (no Gi). I think Judo is just better for that situation due to my experience.
whether is a good idea or not, 90% of all fights end up in a clinch of some sort and eventually can and do fall to the ground. Being able to defend yourself on the ground is extremely important. If you are skilled you WILL get that armbar or choke someone out.
I trained aikodo when i was a teenager and my master was also doing kyokhusin pretty seriously. He was always very upfront about the fact that even he as a blackbelt couldnt and wouldnt try to pull off any aikido based-move in a real fight, he would rather hit and low-kick. The founder of aikido also required originally that his students must be a black belt in some other martial art like judo or karate. I mean if your aikido master is not a self-righteous ego inflated man, it is definetly be a different experience than in the bullshido videos. From the first days of my training it was very clear to me that it wont help me in a real life situation, but i've learned so much about physics in a sense that i really started to feel how you can turn a straight force to a circular orbit. I think if someone is trained in other, more concrete and effective martial arts, aikido could be sort of an elevated, more abstract addition to their feel within a fight if you know what i mean. If you only do aikido you dont stand a chance, but it is still a very interesting thing to do.
Supplemental? Redirecting opponents would work great with multiple opponents as far as I can tell. Wrestling came from medieval knights which were TANKS so they didn't really worry a out that 3rd person as far as I know.
@@Jd-zl7mn Except you're not redirecting anything cause it's not real, your opponent doesn't resist, drop your ego, I'm trying to help you, go try 1 BJJ session u will see the truth, nothing works against multiple.
Been training in Taekwondo for a little while now. My instructor always made sure that no kicks to the legs or punches to the face (unless you're a red belt up) were allowed during sparring because if something goes wrong, you're out for a long time. However, feel free to hit hard if you can take the hard hits anywhere else. He also teaches you how to take out knees gouge eyes, takedowns, etc in real fights. I hate seeing the 'tag sparring' be the face of Taekwondo
I got DQ'd a long time ago in a TKD tournament for opening a cut on another guy's face when he was coming in. It was supposed to be light point-sparring (as opposed to the one with the armor and gear on), and this was only a little bit after the WTF / ITF split. On the one hand it was a good result because I didn't pull it sufficiently, but on the other hand, he was advancing and it was a counter to that. Anyway, it seems like every TKD instructor will have other things to teach besides "sport" TKD - the worthwhile ones, anyway. Even the TKD I had, which wasn't too bad, considering, didn't deal with takedowns and close-range attacks. We did ridge hand, chop, spear hand, as well as punching, but the focus was on kicks (it was TKD, after all). I'll bet most of the low attacks you had were things like the twisting kick or the back kick or low side kick. We used to practice a while measuring distance to the bag and going some of that stuff to gain distance. Good counters for high attacks can be low attacks and vice versa. Especially now, you can seemingly advance to black belt and further with just forms and breaking techniques. Now, those things aren't nothing, and nearly every TKD program will spar as well, but the focus doesn't seem to be on practicality anymore. A lot of the "self-defense" taught at a lot of schools is just a move without a whole lot of realism to put that move in context of when you need it, so I'm not convinced of the legitimacy even if the move itself is legit. I don't know what the face of TKD is these days, just that if you say you used to do TKD the next question generally is "what else did you study". I find it a little ironic because I still remember asking the guy next to me IN TKD class who was an Aikido black belt why he was doing TKD (I was in my 20's at the time). TKD nowadays isn't quite to the level of Aikido now; more slightly behind sport fencing I think. Cool tricks, great game, will keep you in pretty good shape, can be made useful for real-world applications if you know a whole bunch of other stuff too...but on its own pretty limited.
They did mention in the video that Karate (full contact and with skill) can be very good for self defense. And ITF TKD stems from Karate as well, so would you say that it's pretty useful if trained with sparring and less limited ideologies?
I personally prefer striking forms in real life street fighting situations because usually there are multiple aggressors. With striking you can maintain distance and you don't always have to fully supress your opponent(s) to defend yourself. Often 1 or 2 strikes are enough to deter or put doubt in your opponents' mind, giving you a window opportunity to walk/run away. With grappling, too often you need to fully commit and you can only target one at a time and end up on the ground only to end up being surrounded. When choosing where to train, look for dojo/gyms with a master who has a lot of experience at competition level that also offers full contact sparring.
I took judo as a kid, 10, but only took it for a year. However, it had taught me a lot in that year, simple throws, choke holds and how to fall safely. The falling safely has saved me more times than not. Also most fights end on the ground and that is were Judo has helped me.
Out of all the noise i just watched, you sir spoke not base on hearsay or anything else but real life experience. Judo should be top tier ( if i had to go back in time it'll be the first i'd take) along with Muay Thai being street fight is a different ball game and very rarely a one on one were rules are thrown out because its never a defense but a survival.
I think you brought up the greatest thing martial arts can teach you. Rolls and falls. I guarantee at some point everyone will need and use those. Great point.
Disagree with the whole tier list..All Wrestling and let's be frank almost all the grappling systems you've labelled in the B+, A and A+ category should be way lower and definitely not A tier..As they're almost strictly designed for 1v1 orientated confrontations, require too much physicality in order to execute their techniques well and let's be frank if you are getting up close to your opponent who could be stronger than you expect and even worse concealing a knife or a gun you could directly be putting yourself in the firing line of a critical strike and we're not even taking into account if said opponent has allies willing to jump into the fray to subdue you. Boxing and most striking arts should generally be way higher as they teach the practioner to focus on keeping away from your opponent/s and ending the fight with minimal effort they are more easily applicable/adapted to multiple pronged attacks from assailants whereas most grappling styles simply cannot accommodate these scenarios well enough without potentially putting yourself directly in harms way. Krav Maga is probably the only genuine A tier system as it is specifically designed for real-life scenarios.
The world needs to hear you my homie I think even Krav Maga should go above MMA if am not mistaken bcuz like you said it’s designed for real combat situations n EVEN tho MMA is more versatile it’s kinda targeted towards competition fighting
Great video! As a Muay Thai instructor/practitioner for 20+ years I learned a painful lesson against a wrestler. He caught my kick and dumped me on my ass. It was a real eye opener for me. I asked the wrestler to teach me how to stop that and defend against the shoot. I started to add take down defense in class. I would point out the weaknesses of Muay Thai to my students and make sure they were aware of them as well as ring fighting vs street fighting. At the time I was teaching stand up at a Daniel Moraes BJJ school so many of the students would take both so they could help fill the gaps in their games.
In street fight, dont ever knee or leg. Use clinch and elbows. Your mistake is to try to kick a wrestler. If a wrestler tries to grab you, use clinch to give you advantages and cut his head with your elbow,.
You know.... this is basically first month of Karate Shotokan or whenever Mae Geri is introduced. Take leg even faster then you threw or when it gets caught you are toast. Usually done by sensei.
The clinch work comment is understatement. Clinch work is so beautifully useful for closing distance that many striking arts don't realize they need....some will literally stall up wondering what to do next. That clinch can be such a game changer.
They are talking about self defence. In the streets clinching will probably get you stabbed even by guys who don´t even have the balls to cut you on their own.
No judges or rounds, this is self defence not sport. Lethwai has brutal rules but the level of competition not good, their best fighters are not great.
@@weekdaycycling You don't have to be a Lethwai fighter to headbutt, I trained in Boxing and Muay thai for 43 years, I headbutted guys in clubs but hey what do I know im just a noob.
@@Saaannn22 I never said it isn't a good form of self defence, it disgusts me when people twist my words. I said they havnt produced many good fighters.
My parents forcing me to go to Muay Thai and MMA classes literally saved my life several times. Once a guy kept messing with me, long story short he started to hit me and I low kicked into his upper thigh and that was it. They left me alone and stopped hanging around my school, no clue if they would have jumped me but I booked it once he stopped attacking. Another time was at a party and it never moved past pushing but once I took a stance and got ready to be hit the guy said nope and stopped right there, he was way bigger and in better shape but that confidence my parents installed into through forced classes has no doubt saved me. I was never a bully just the quiet ackward person I am today but WAY smaller. Thank you Mom and Dad, anyone on the fence do it, get in there and learn. Don't do it to fight, do it so you can defend yourself when forced to fight. Good luck friends and great video.
@@Tyborzthat’s most “mma” nowadays but really what they should be doing is teaching how to use them in an mma match (rules where you can strike, grapple and ground fight)
Yeap, the confident eye, that's something that has saved me many times. I've done some Tae Kwon Do when I was younger and although there are plenty of guys out there than can beat me, I'm so confident and calculative when the fighting starts that people get discouraged and immediately back down.
Thankl your parents. After doing karate for a lesson I got into a fight in school and my parents pulled me from the lessons. After that I was always getting punched trough out high school.
I call bullshit. Boxing and Kickboxing are S rank in streetfights. While you grapple, a second guy can kick you and its over. Wrestling is only good against one guy, but that is not how most street fights are. Also when you look at most recordet street fight scenes, the winner is always a good boxer. A good bjj fighter can win against a boxer, but thats not how street fights work.
You obviously dont know at all what your talking about if you solely train boxing vs a bjj guy the bjj guy wins but you honestly shouldn't train 1 martial arts anyway you should do muay thai and bjj and judo or wrestling then you can cover all 3 facets must thai is better than boxing because they train you to use everything not just your hands if a boxer fights a muay thai fighter he will get kicked and dropped instantly
@@hanasabalbal1689 You guys are forgetting that this isn’t a list of which martial art would win competing, it’s a list of martial arts based on their effectiveness in a self-defence situation against a presumably untrained criminal/agitator. Boxing is pretty damn good for that, as you can stun/KO multiple opponents in quick succession.
You really think grappling styles beat out striking styles? Hope you enjoy losing every fight against more than one person. The time you spend choking out a guy is time that his buddies get to wail on you at they please. Who needs silly concepts like mobility, creating distance, and being able to respond to other threats.
I started Kyokushin at 13. Muay Thai at 16, competed for years, trained at competition level till my mid 40's. Started BJJ at 48 (am now a Blue Belt), Judo a year later (Brown Belt now). Striking is still my first go-to, but I would say Judo is the best art for SD, and I wish I had started it when I was a kid. Judo has the best takedowns for SD, it has chokes, holds, breaks, and it had Olympic level conditioning. The only people that are a problem for a good Judoka are wrestlers, but the same is true in reverse. And since we're discussing SD and not interdiscipline competition, I vote Judo. ;)
So to be clear, you like judo better for SD than BJJ? I practiced judo as a kid and am looking for a martial art to get back into for SD, but also fun and fitness…
@@The_Scouts_Code Yes, I would prefer Judo, providing (but that's always true I guess) you practice it for competition (no matter the level) or you do proper randori. Every BJJ school I've trained at does proper sparring, and this is why BJJ is always 'real' whereas a lot of other MA schools don't spar. I've seen recreational Judo classes where there was no real sparring, and the results speak for themselves. Not good. But why I prefer Judo is that it starts - and usually ends - standing up. The moment you lay a hand on someone, or someone lays it on you, you have the edge, because that is where Judo starts. But it has to be practiced under pressure, with resistance. Sparring, randori, in other words.
@@The_Scouts_Code I'm going to say Judo as well. I've done Judo, BJJ, boxing and Muay-Tai, although boxing only for a year, and I have found that my Judo training has been the most useful for SD. I've been in three situations where I can surly say that it helped me but not necessarily in the way most people think. Adding to what Mike was saying in the video the break-falling part and balance you gain from Judo is probably what will be most useful for everyday life and I don't even know how many times it has helped me avoid injuries which is why I recommend it over some of the striking sports/arts since they don't teach that element.
Whoa, you started Judo at 49? Isn't Judo pretty though on the body, especially if you're over 40? Ive heard people choose BJJ over Judo because Judo led to more injuries. Much respect to you, sir, for starting new martial arts at a later age.
@@lordtains It helps that I never stopped being an athlete. I had my last competitive Muay Thai fight at 46. Learning to breakfall was not easy but it was certainly doable. But thank you for the compliment. As for injuries, it's certainly true that Judo has more of those than does BJJ, but I never competed in Judo, and sparring recreationally is less demanding. I do compete in BJJ at a very local level and I've never been injured. I'll be 60 at the end of this year and doing fine. ;)
Great video! My only 2 cents is that boxing should be rated around A or B. You fell into the same trap with boxing as you almost did during the Judo rating when comparing how a Judoka would do against BJJ on the ground. We shouldn't rate how boxers can deal with a grappler. We have to assess how the martial art would work in a street fight situation against an average person (not a high level practitioner of another martial art). Therefore, boxers would do very well because of their good understanding of distance, range, reflexes, athleticism, and a relentless toughness. The speed and technique with which a boxer can anticipate an attack, cut an angle, and land a devastating blow is very effective. Not to mention, an average person won't be able to simply take down a skilled boxer so easily. There are obvious scenarios where it's not effective if a boxer is caught in a sucker punch or ambushed unexpectedly. Even a wrestler can be knocked out cold if he's caught at the wrong moment. In terms of self defense against a real life situation, boxers are very well equipped to neutralize an attacker. Perhaps I am wrong, and I am happy to hear other thoughts. Thank you for the video!
@@aibutttickler You said boxing would be a poor choice going against multiple attackers. I respectfully disagree. Given that fighting against multiple guys at once is a stupid idea anyway, what better martial art / combat sport is there besides boxing IF one had to?
@@aibutttickler no fighting style martial art or anything truly sets u up for 1v2+ but ground work will set u up for 1v1 to ground. But the best is gun training. Could set u up for a 1v12+
@@aibutttickler Boxing might be one of the best martial arts for multiple attackers because you are great at keeping distance while striking and keeping your balance planted on both feet. BJJ or any kicking martial arts puts you at great risk by either going for takedowns or kicking against multiple opponents because they could easily overwhelm you
Totally agree on the break fall training. Trained in judo when younger, and Kyokushin now in my 50’s, but the skill that has saved me from serious injury ‘in the streets’ is break falling. Watching an untrained, older person take a tumble is kind of a train wreck.
Yep. Every judo dojo has at least one person who has been saved from death or serious injury thanks to instinctually being able to get thrown to the ground and get back up again. In terms of "self-defense" it's hard to find other techniques that will allow you to walk away from a fight with an SUV.
I did judo from my 3 to 12 years (of age) and during my teenage years, I lost count how many times knowing judo helped me break falls and avoid injuries, specially when skating and BMXing.
Honestly aside from weapons, some of the worst damage people are going to end up taking in real fights are from bad falls/takedowns onto hard ground. Training in a discipline that not only teaches you how to take a fall but trains you how and gives you tons of practice preventing them is huge. I think Judo was rated fairly in this, and I was glad that mentioned those aspects as important factors in its favor.
Boxing has helped me with 90% of the confrontations I have been in. Easy to use subconsciously when the adrenaline is high. About a year of training and you are already in better shape physically and mentally. Sparring keeps your fight or flight from clouding your mind. And learn a bit of BJJ or Wrestling and you have the whole kit.
Yeah I laughed and knew he would pit boxing on low. Boxing is a fat S tier, they did it dirty. Nobody will do fancy jump kicks or grapples while fighting on concrete.
@@midnightvibes5485 yeah definitely training 1 or 2 nights a week in a hour long sanitised class isn't enough to build up the strength, stamina or reaction control that can help you deal with a real world confrontation. Most boxing gyms will have several different classes focused on different aspects like fitness, techniques or sparring and coaches who have actually had a fight or two in their adult lives
I did Krav Maga in the UK for many years. Interestingly we were taught most of the things that you say others lacked, but the instructor did break away from the main Krav Maga group (I think it was Krav Maga Worldwide) and formed his own. We did pressure testing very regularly, and we also sparred often. Most importantly, he would stress that the first option is always to avoid the fight in the first place if you can (including role playing situations), and we even covered after the fight - the legal aspects and talking to police / emergency services. I feel very fortunate to have found one of the better instructors, especially after seeing the dreadful “combat krav maga” online.
My instructor did this too and i left after realizing that i was paying a lot of good money for my instructor to tell me how to talk to cops, not fight. Same with history lessons, save that for a different classroom. Sure your instructor is great, sounds like youre getting ripped off
So these guys are so full of shit that they stray so far out of their lanes that they are giving legal advice!? Best way to deal with the aftermath is to get the hell out of there before the cops get there.
This tier list its ludacris, you have people like Ronin (27 ops www.youtube.com/@ronintacticsinc ) saying that he used jeet kune in life and death situation, 1year of Krav Maga/Muay Thai save me from a carjacking attempt 5 guys (1 gun and 4 knives ) got stabed twice in my back but they toke sh1t from me, before any type of training i broke a jaw of a capoeira guy I dislocated a boxer's shoulder both 2+ years of training, and yes you should talk about one art against another or theres no way to know which is best. PS now i pack heat...lol
The best ones to learn is BJJ, Muay Thai, and Wrestling. A good amount of skill in each of them will help you in self defence in most situations (unarmed ofc).
The thing is most of each one will be a waste of time still. Imo this is the where MMA comes in. It takes the best from each martial art that works best in a real (or close to real) situation. They should do another vid on what they would specifically take from BJJ, wresting, boxing etc
@@TheOlzee one thing though ofc always run if someone brings a knife. The mma stance is counterproduktive against a knife, and gets you killed hence learn some krav maga fma for Those situations aswel
a good boxer can eliminate two or three opponents fairly quickly. Honestly, who would have liked to have a street fight with Prime Mike Tyson? No man in the world!!
@@kalterkakaozumfruhstuck1515 a trained individual can take down multiple untrained individuals relatively easy, Mike Tyson can probably take down dozen of people if they don't jump at him at once in no weapon situation. The physical capability is very bizarre, an Asian man can deliver a punch only around 1/9 of his punch, you only need twice the normal man amount to knock a person out or stun them, I once stun a guy for hours, he was knocked down for minutes. In self defence situation, your mentality, quick wit, being able to use brain in combat along with physical ability and understanding how your opponents will move really help, also ferocity, a lot of people get scared so easily which hinders their ability to defense themselves.
No point in learning BJJ if you're learning wrestling. The wrestler outmatches the BJJ practitioner in all things groundwork. Muy Tai or boxing covers the striking shortfalls. BJJ came on the scene when no one knew any groundwork. It lost its dominance once people learned Greco-Roman and how to defend against takedown attempts.
@Moshin Rafsanjani Bla Bla Bla, I am really in love with Muay Thai, but dude, stop focusing in having more and more, is way more effective to master the simple and then moving foward with a next step. You remember me MMA dudes that they think that they are God's just because they have all the movements of all Martial Arts, but then in a real fight a Boxer that have only 6 months and know just the basics can bit the shit out a MMA practitioner that have 1 year and think he knows all when in reallity is doesen't good in anything yet. You have start building the house by the base, not by the roof.
@Moshin Rafsanjani Yeah I totally agree in the point of if u break your hand u will be loosing the half of your weapons if u only know boxing. But that’s why we need to be Masters in knowing how to punch correctly. By the way you can see that in the 75% of the fights it will be finished by the first person that land a good punch knocking out the other one, so there is no too much room to kicks and knees in a regular street fights, u just wanna end quick and don’t risk too much going to the floor throwing a bad kick and falling down. Or in a lot of cases that you are having a fight in a bathroom, in bus in movement, or in a party, in that places you don’t have enough space to be kicking, and if you are a master connecting a really good punch the fight it’s over, and that can save your live better than if you know a lot of kicks but not knowing how to connect a 10/10 punch. As they say in the video: “Time spend learning kicking is time spend not learning punching”. So after all of this things one thing is true: in not every case we can say Muay Thai will be better or more effective than Boxing.
@Moshin Rafsanjani Sure, that's why since my first comment I mencioned that first we must Master the simple, and then going for the next step with that base dominated previously.
As a former aikido practitioner I agree that maybe just maybe there is a super human who can pull it off. But a normal bloke like me could not. Judo is my go to, self defense now but aikido did help my perception and situational awareness
Absolutely loved this video. I gave up Aikido after 25 years. You could say am a recovering Aikidoka. Thank goodness I gave up that cult full of obese elderly people. The day I completed the Navy Seals combat course was the day I quit Aikido with immediate effect. I would say the only benefit from Aikio was also developing my perception and situational awareness. It's been amazing ever since. I was going out of mind going to Aikido classes, standing on the mat, looking at the clock until class was over after doing pathetic repetitions of the same old thing day in day out, week after week. Looking at all those dan grades with huge bellies and fat around them, all out of shape acting as if they knew everything about everything when it came to self defence because there is no real pressure testing, been spoken to like a child and all the ritualistic garbage that goes with it. I'm a sensei in my own right and i couldn't stand teaching it. I had to look youngsters in the eye teaching something i simply no longer believed in. I used to think to myself "what on earth am I doing here teaching this nonsense to people who really want self defence." I was lying to them and myself and it had to stop. It's been 6 years now since i last put my hakama on and it's been paradise. There was few of us who quit at the same time who all had the same opinion and their lives have become more enriched after leaving. Seriously, if you are thinking of doing Aikido for self defence, please don't do it. Do other things first and then do Aikido later. Not the other way round. Trust me, I did it for 25 years and travelled to Japan to practice. I like to think I can offer some solid advice.
I think the creator of akido could pull it off according to gozo shinoda when he was a judo black belt he saw him demonstrating and thought it was bs so he charge at him and throw a big kick and ended up getting throw across the room. Not to mention the creator of aikido was also an army vet so he knew one or two things about fighting. Gozo also says he would go onto use aikido to win some self defence situations
Man I'm surprised that everyone put judo that high up. I did judo since I was 6 until I was 14 and I always felt like that was totally useless outside of the dojo :(
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Experience and confidence are possible the two of the most useful things in self defense, especially in surprise situations. When your brain and body doesn't hesitate because you have been in similar situations hundreds of times before, it can make a big difference. The only self defense situations I have ever been in were ended in seconds with me pinning the guy to the ground. Most of the time, they didn't even struggle that much after getting taken down. They appeared to just be shocked that the altercation ended that quickly. To be fair though, these guys were unarmed and were of questionable intelligence and sobriety, but the point is that the immediate and violent response of someone with extensive sparing experience can make a bigger difference than the type of martial art trained. I was at best a mediocre high school wrestler, but when things start to happen my body and mind didn't hesitate and that lack of hesitation can make a big difference in an encounter. It can also get you in trouble too. I once accidently threw a guy in a basketball game.
I don't understand why taekwondo is considered a sport or ineffective here. What I'm learning primarily at taekwondo is how to punch and kick people really hard with a little bit of learning which bodyparts can take an opponent's hit the best. I'm guessing it must be the difference between the different federation's styles? I've never really looked into taekwondo outside of my own school.
@@MrDagren I think in most cases, your average YKD student is 8 years old and belt progression is fast so it seems kind of like you're being sold something outside of actual combat skills. I think they all have something to offer but in my son's class, it was a lot of memorizing moves done in a solo performance.
I only remind you, one thing is taekwondo and another thing is how they teach it, especially here in the West, real taekwondo, as it was devised, is a very complete martial art, I recommend you look for videos of how the Korean military trains
@@MrDagren The issue is that there's 3 major organizations of Taekwondo (ITF, ATA, WT) where all three are massively different so it's a real hit or miss. Traditional ITF taekwondo has a lot more focus on self defence, punches, throws, and escapes from locks. Still not anywhere near what you'd have in e.g muay thai, but the comparison of ITF Taekwondo to e.g Shotokan Karate is close to 1:1 since that's what it was derived from. If you're doing ATA or WT Taekwondo you're looking for a "fun sport", nothing more serious.
My Korean father-in-law fought in Vietnam and taught Taekwondo in the Korean army. He was also a radio operator for a couple years and survived. Dude's in his 70's and I still wouldn't want to test him. Also, the nicest guy I know.
@mrorange3490 I agree that competative taekwondo is a joke for self defense but it's always a different story for someone who has used a martial art in actual combat. A martial art is far more effective when you don't have to follow rules.
@mrorange3490 I did taekwondo for 6 years and it really is a joke compared to other fighting sports, really like foot tag. But any sports that makes you fit, teaches you footwork, instinctual reactions and how to kick someone in the head, you will easily destroy anyone who doesnt do a fighting sport, even if youre in your 70s and have kept practising it on occasion
such a stupid list. capoera same as jujitsu? lol bjj 4 degrees higher than jujitsu? lol capoera higher than taekwondo? lol aikido same as takwando? lol pencak silat lower thab aikido and all the other ones? lol do you guys know anything about martial arts?
I practised Vovinam for 10 years since the age of 7. My master always taught 2 ways for every technique. One way that looks nice for performances and one way for use on the streets. Since I turned 18 I had to use those street techniques a few times and it got me out of some really tough situations. What the guys said in the video was right though, there's a difference between learning martial arts and learning self-defense because out on the street you usually don't know you're in a fight until you've already got hit.
I do not agree with that. If you have a good teacher, the first thing you should have learned is awareness. Awareness of yourself, your environment and others in your environment, as well as the energy in your environment. You should be able to spot trouble way before it happens in most instances.
I see boxing as the best martial art, because boxing is more effective than wrestling and bjj, is true that boxing doesn't teach you what to do if you're on the ground but it's the best way to finish a fight, for example if you're fighting in a street fight against three opponents, how are you going to end the fight with them with wrestling or bjj ??? You can't even subdue one opponent because the others will destroy you, but boxing on the other hand is the best martial art to teach you how to punch harder and deliver a knockout that will finish the fight
@@sifu8056 I know this is an old comment but no one can be 100% aware all the time and if they are that could be a sign of PTSD. We all have blind spots, and to add to what the OP said, the dangerous situation is seldom the one you are aware of, its when you are blindsided, so situational awareness is important, but assuming that you should always be able to spot trouble before it happens is naive.
I still remember being shown by a friend when I was a kid how aikido had taught her techniques that would allow her to break an arm in 7 places. She demonstrated how it would work by using my wrist to lock my arm and then tapping my arm in the places where it would supposedly break. Being 12 years old (and at a time before MMA was broadly known), I took her at her word that this technique would actually work. I learned similar techniques in Kuk Sool Wan in middle school and high school (i.e. perform this wrist lock and then strike here to "break the elbow"). Today, I am immensely disappointed in these traditions. The saddest thing is, I don't think that my instructor (and likely hers) truly knew they were selling lies. They were simply repeating what they had been told, and because the martial arts lack any realistic mechanism to test their techniques, instructors and students are able to lean in to their confirmation bias and believe they're learning something that will radically alter their ability to win a fight, even with someone immensely larger and stronger than they are. Time has taught me what my fundamental human instincts always knew, size and strength actually matter, a 100 pound 12 year old can't manipulate a full grown man into a wrist lock and break their arm with a strike. I think mixed martials arts are slowly making that more clear to the world, and hopefully people are becoming less vulnerable to charlatan claims aimed at selling people the idea that they can overcome larger, stronger opponents with unarmed techniques they learn over a weekend self-defense course. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Grappling is almost all about muscle and body mass. Not the same goes against striking. If you ever get kicked in the shins or ribs from a 50kg trained fighter it will quickly dispel that lack of belief you have. Don't believe me? Picture fighting a short, 50kg muay thai fighter. He doesn't have to manipulate your limbs to inflict harm.
I took a TKD course circa 14 years ago. A sesson was split in 3 parts. Warm up/cardio, body weight excercise; hitting bags (the kinds worn on your arms like shields; technique and sparring (where you'd don on helmets vests & gloves). Beginners weren't allowed to spar. For a long time I'd still remember the tremendous weight transfer behind the kicks (we were instructed to kick "through" the target, as if he'd be like ~50 almost 2 spread out palms beyond where he stood). And the sensation to always be aware of your distance & head lest a right hand slips through. In boxing, only one out of several punches in a combo approaches the energy and sheer heft of an average kick. So, nope, some martial arts are practiced by tens and hundred millions of people. It's incorrect to lump them and mcDojos in one group.
Funny, I've heard the exact same Aikido legend of breaking arms in seven places from a friend (despite living in a totally different country than you or where Aikido has a bigger coverage in the martial arts scene). He did get in a fight once with someone with no martial arts background, and got beat up pretty bad. Thankfully no long-term injuries or anything. Bullshido like that is legitimately dangerous.
I did Japanese Jiu-Jitsu. As part of our training we studied elements of aikido, shotokan karate and judo. We sparred all the time and did groundwork every session. We also learnt attacks and defence with traditional and modern weapons including multiple attacks. I know which techniques work for me and have had to use them very rarely but still visualise what could happen and what I could do when a situation begins to arise and I can’t get away from it safely. Being always aware of what is going on around you and getting away from danger is usually the first thought.
have you ever had an actual person (not a sparring partner) charging at you to literally beat you to death, or to cut your head off with a knife? like tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. training is nice, you get some exercise and all that, but you cannot know how you'll react in an actual fight. what would likely happen is you'd forget everything you've learned about martial arts and go into survival mode.
@@IRGhost0 I worked as a prison officer for 27 years and did have to use my skills although rarely. I have been attacked with table legs and homemade knives and was always in a position to defend myself. The only time I got seriously injured was when I was completely surprised by an inmate who I had been helping all day long who unknown to me had gone completely loopy and hit me in the face whilst he had a plaster cast on his arm whilst I was opening his door. I was knocked unconscious and had a bloody nose and mouth. He ended up being sectioned. I have also been attacked by a couple of drunks many years ago (not at the same time) I used very simple takedowns and restraint techniques on both. Then let them go when they appeared to calm down.
The sparring and full-contact contests is something I remember vividly from my Ju-jutsu? Ji-jitsu? Ju-jitsu? Jiu-jitsu? days. Gloves, headgear and body armor for sparring, and the instructors occasionally went to tournaments and came back with giant bruises and/or casts. Since I'm a wuss, that's what made me drop out - I tapped the moment my opponent was approaching a lock, I didn't fight until the pain made me yield, and I did not absorb impacts but went down when the opponent got in a good strike.
This is a great video. I got up to a 2nd degree in Aikido like you, but was able to experience both out of Japan and then in Japan. In Cali, training was very formal, ritualistic, and technique performance-based versus in Japan, where my sensei always started from the hardest position, with the opponent resisting. It was the polar opposite but showed me the value of feedback via increasing levels of noncompliance.
Ok, Imma be the salty judoka here. First of all, concrete. Most mma/bjj guys when they criticize judo forget that most of judo's throws are big powerfull ones, and that on concrete those can be a fightender. Also the newaza is fast, explosive and simple, which is better suited for a street situation when you don't really want to stay on the ground for a long time and you only want to engage in a groundfighting if you are forced to. I would ranked it at least above bjj and equally with gracie jiujitsu.
Yea I watched 2 videos of African people applying Judo (although I'm not sure if they do practice it.) One of them was an African woman who performed drop seoi nage on a taller man and bruh, you could literally hear the guy's head smacking the ground. He's knocked out cold immediately.
As a Judo practitioner myself and ex Police, Mike is on the money with Judo. For self-defence situations, the quick grabs and instinctive movements (escapes, trips, off-balancing and of course throwing) developed when practicing judo over time will provide a big advantage in self-defence situations (when stood up). Ground work is frequently practiced so agree not better than BJJ but better than the average punter. All subject to individual physical/psychological limitations. Good to hear Mike keeping Rokas on track with that.
@@hugoramallo1980There's a lot of value in BJJ ground work. It has a lot more variety of holds (kneeholds, etc.) than judo and less limitations (for example I can choke with the legs even if I don't have one of your arms). But you're also right BJJ guys just sit there waiting for you to attack them in a BJJ manner. Judo's ground work is limited, but I think it's stood up part is way more useful and the ground part is more than enough to subdue any untrained attacker.
I took a basic Karate at an after-school class, and I think the most effective parts of it were the blocking. I have used the blocking before when somebody came at me, and just started going at me with their fists, but they missed every single punch because I easily blocked them all. I could have gone in with some kicks to knock them on their but if I wanted to, but we were kids, and their parent was nearby, and so was mine, so I just blocked over, and over until they got involved. Karate is a great self defense martial art for blocking, and defense. We were taught in karate that when you get punched in the face, you take a step back, and you lift your forearm to block the punch, and to block a chest punch you moved your forearm to the side to block the chest punch, and your stance is good for leg kicks. Same for your chest kicks, or head kicks. However, I have no idea how to fight on the ground if I was knocked over.
As a karate black belt I fully understand you. Karate is really good for defense and offense in a medium/long distance fight, even against more than one opponent. However, the short distance (despite kyokushin) and, especially the ground work is weak, although u can pretty much handle yourself against an untrained fighter. I was lucky to find a dojo that has a little ground work and short distance. Unfortunately a lot of dojos don't have that and, even worse, a lot focus on kata (which is USELESS in a fight, despite what they make you think with the bunkai bs). So, basically, if a karateca was to face a BJJ fighter, if the distance was kept, the karateca would easily win. But if they fall to the ground, may God help that karateca.
Some of the best things you can learn for self-defense are 1.how to see the attack coming 2. How to run 3.How to take a hit if the first two don't happen. My karate instructor taught us early on that things don't always go to plan. He taught me how to break a choke, and then he choked me, and I broke it, and he came back and choked me again and again and again until I got the message that the techniques he was teaching us would not always work in every situation.
It's great to have. It's up there. But it is missing a lot of tools and it's not so great for female use. It's also disabled when you get hemmed up, wrestled, slammed to the ground or you fall.
The question here is about self-defense, though, not fighting. #1 concern is probably escape. Boxing has no escape training, nothing about defense against weapons, etc. Great striking and man-to-man combat or even brawls, but obvious gaps in survival and escape.
@@martylund8411 Tell that to the video who put MMA and wrestling and BJJ at the top when these arts have no strategy against weapons and multiple attackers. None of the arts in A, B and C can disarm armed assailants. JKD and Krav Maga may have some concepts and techniques.
About 15 years ago I took a few Aikido classes from a Japanese man who was trained by Morihei Ueshiba /Osensei. Effective in a fight or not, I would probably be in better condition now if I would have stuck with it just from getting back up off the floor so many times.
@Ravi Verma When I studied traditional ju jitsu we were also taught strikes and stabbing techniques. Many were just edited empty hand strikes (done the same only minus the dagger. ) I don't want to butcher the Japanese terms but shika ken or botchu-ken? Something like that anyway! Like you also said in your post many people take the arts out of context . Especially with stuff like Aikido. That's an art or martial art that also had roots in more brutal techniques. It's mindset and training practices changed. It's techniques can easily be used or as they once were. Put simply to break or disarm armed foes in armed struggles.
I grew up in a rough neighbourhood where fights happened all the time, not the least of which were the bloody encounters with my own brother. It really toughened me up to take a pounding. When I finally started training in my late teens I realized that I had been really lucky over the years and that learning multiple techniques was amazing. Then, when we would have someone new join the club, I realized that refined training often doesn't help as well as random actual combat with someone not trained. The reason being is you were taught how to throw and block punches and moves that, if your opponent didn't have the same training, were almost useless. I had been training a few years and a new guy coming up who was great on the heavy bag, was a bigger guy, didn't stick to his teachings when sparring. He would swing wild wide haymakers. I remember the second time we sparred and he kept surprising me, swinging wide, and I thought to myself "Ok, absorb a couple of these, you can take it, then when he resets or gets gassed, then it's your turn." Problem is, he didn't stop.
"Problem is, he didn't stop." Right -- It's definitely a mindset adjustment when you realize that Joe Schmo Attacker on the street, whatever reason he has for attacking you, isn't trying to save anything back for multiple rounds or even the walk home. He's angry and tunnel-visioned and will dump his adrenaline reserves immediately into whatever he's got. And adrenaline lasts a lot longer than a defender would expect, especially since missing your haymaker just makes you madder and grants more adrenaline as feedback. Even a trained boxer aiming a "gimme" knockout blow at a wide-open opponent won't spend as much net force into that punch as a mouth-foaming angry man will dump into his wild haymakers. There's zero sense of self-preservation because the best defense for a man in a rage is a good offense. Dodging said offense is easier, but absorbing it is not wise.
I encountered the same problem when play-wrestling/sparring with friends from other gyms. These guys would toss out techniques that either did not exist or I had not trained from my martial art and catch me off-guard. I only won a quarter of the time. Actual combat can teach you a lot of shit and I do agree. At the end of the day though, I'll give kudos to you. Being in so many fights and actually learning them, I look up to ya. I could take a pounding and KO three times a day and still not learn shit from it, lol.
@@skullhead8617 thanks. It was a weekly occurrence for quite a period of my youth and even into my twenties, unfortunately. I carry quite a few scars from those days. It helped but also hurt that I was a scrawny kid that got big once puberty hit. It was often just a challenge navigating the people that wanted to pick a fight because you were the big 240lb fifteen year old with long red hair who stood out or whether you could puff up to intimidate your way out of having to actually fight.
I would argue that putting "control-type" MAs top of the list, is somewhat influenced by a implicit scenario of fighting a single opponent. In a situation, where you have to fight several opponents, going to the ground with one of them probably is less attractive than dealing out punches or kicks. So maybe the qustion of "which MA is best for SD" needs some more context as to the situation that the MA is being applied in. Having a single opponent already at your throat is different from an escalating confrontation with a group of "toughs"
This is the thing that gets overlooked so often: grappling looks great on the mat, but when you're on the ground in a real fight, your focus needs to be on getting off the ground before your opponent's buddy goes for a field goal with your head. Practice at rolling may give you an advantage in being able to damage the guy you went down with in the process of getting back on your feet fast, but practicing staying down to grapple to the end is detrimental in a real world situation.
I kinda agree with you. But from all the street fights I’ve seen, wrestlers, grapplers and even bjj guys with even a hint of natural striking will do far more damage in a large fight setting than some of the pure stand up disciplines. Even when I was in college wrestling D1, there was a fight that broke out with the wrestlers and a lot of the other athletes, and almost none of the fights actually went to the ground. Even in stand up, the level was well above even some of the boxers on campus. We had an entire baseball team hospitalized. Secondly, look at the UFC stats with like 90% of the champs as former wrestlers, with bjj being the second most dominant discipline.
Which is why if you are a tall and lanky guy, taekwondo (strike type) complimented with control type MAs like BJJ or Greco-Roman wrestling would make you a street fighting monster.
I boxed for 8 years, starting at 19 and ending at 27; light heavy. Three carded fights, 2 wins 1 loss (I only competed in the last year). I also coached it for 6 years. With the history out of the way, whenever I had someone new coming into the gym asking to learn boxing as a form of self-defense I usually told them it's not the best choice of a martial art for that. I explained that this is a sport, it has rules and those rules will be DRILLED into you and your mindset. We break on a clinch, we don't kick, we need SPACE (that one is important), etc. Space is probably one of the most important trained aspect in a street fight for a boxer. We train (and get use to) fighting in a set ring-space, we also fight 1v1, what happens when it's not 1v1? What happens when there is not enough space (packed bar, tight alleyway, etc.)? We don't train you for that. I agree with the list, especially regarding wrestling. Being able to fight in a tight space with your opponent starting pretty much right on top of you, smothering you, I would expect to be a prime aspect of effective self-defense. Wrestling seems a perfect fit for that. Just my 20 cents.
I would think one of the important things of fighting in crowded space is a control of what is behind your back. Or you will get your head smashed by the bottle. Wrestling does not seem to help here with the focus on one opponent.
I like this type of mindset, I used to think negatively of boxing as inferior to real martial arts because it's just a sport as what was said in Baki, but after reading your comment, Boxing being a sport, It conceptually makes it more appealing to me now that it's not some real martial arts suitable for every combat situation
Sorry but in a street fight where people have weapons you are getting destroyed if you try wrestling. Had a rugby lad once try that in a scrap, he was hit in the bottom jaw with the forked end of a claw hammer, his face is still squint to this day. The fact you put boxing so low is another massive red flag here. Boxers are *phenomenal* in street fights.
I’m a judo guy (brown belt). I’m also a jiu jitsu guy (blue belt. I also box at a third gym. At each gym guys think they train the best art for defense, but each of these 3 make up a puzzle. Standing striking, standing clinch, and groundwork. If you don’t have one of the 3 you can end up in BIG trouble against an untrained fighter. In judo I’m a killer on the ground because of my jiu jitsu, in jiu jitsu gi/no gi in my last 3 competitions I’ve got taken down every opponent with the exception of 1. Judo has pins excellent for ground and pound, but is VERY lacking from guard bottom position and to be honest isn’t super sophisticated in passing. Boxing is good because most street fights are someone trying to punch you in the face, but more importantly in boxing you get hit HARD in the face and know how to keep fighting without freezing up. All 3 of these have REGULAR pressure testing in sparring.
I'm 65 years young Brown in Kozen Judo from the 70's and did lots of boxing as a teen and adult and that combination save my live many times in real combat and street fights, been training BJJ for the last 4 years a Purple belt now and still do Judo and hit the bag at least 3 times a week. The reason I still do Judo is because it gives me an edge standing against the younger guys. Also a brown in Kyokushin and ITF style TKD. Keep on grinding bud you are doing it right
@@samuraisaxon6800 I’m a former heroin addict who did 5 in federal prison on drug related charges and one of the main characters in Dopesick (a book that’s now a Hulu show). I do work with families of addicts, speak at various places, and am almost finished on a book that 2 writers have helped me with. Training twice daily is the ONLY thing to keep me off drugs and from going back to that life. While on bond for my federal charges I trained kenpo karate daily for 2 years. In my video PRISON FIGHTS I Fought a Prison Monster I talk about what did and what did NOT work. That fight is why I train grappling today. I fought a guy who had a tough man boxing match against Butterbean. He didn’t beat Butterbean but didn’t get knocked out. Imagine fighting a guy Butterbean couldn’t KO! So if you like prison stories and martial arts, check my videos. Also I went from 135 pounds to winning a prison powerlifting competition, which definitely does give me an edge in grappling.
@@armandotabares8561 that’s awesome! I train with 3 guys who are over 70 and are killers! A brown belt in judo, and two bjj black belts. The judo brown belt is small (150 pounds) but handles young guys regularly. The two bjj black belts are reasonably big, but being older they’re not as quick and are very technical. With kyokushin karate as well you’ve got everything covered, that’s awesome.
@@thedopesickshow I like your way of thinking about martial arts. Unlike some other narrow-minded practitioners who always think that their style of fighting is the best without thinking it has its flaws. Really annoying.
I'm a retired Royal Marine Commando sniper and I started judo when I was 9 years old followed by Thai boxing for the next 5 years and finally bbj for a further 4 years and I have to say that every confrontation with a guy bigger than me my first instinct was always a judo technique because I can be offensive with Thai boxing and once I get close enough to get my hands on him he is in a world of trouble because I use his body weight to slam him to the ground and lock his joints on pressure points with the least amount of energy from me but he's in agony and resisting is just wasting energy making him useless later on.
Kali: defending yourself with a knife against a knife attacker, while knowing kali, and your attacker does not have the skills you have will result in.... Saving your life basically.
I did some Jiu-Jitsu when I was a teenager. I was never very serious about it, used it once in self defence against a not very determined attacker, and I think learning how to fall is the best thing I got out of it. I was also an inline skater, half pipe included, and knowing how to break falls saved me so many times. Even today, I can still easily break falls and not hurt myself. That is hugely underrated. Other than that JJ was most useful against my girlfriends - I'm a strong guy, and they always wanted to playwrestle to see if they can somehow best me. JJ was great in very gently putting an end to that when they didn't want to stop.
As someone who spent many of their childhood years training in karate, it really does vary a ton between schools. I was trained in a shito-ryu school and we were taught both for sport/competition, and real self defence. And they definitely taught us some very brutal yet effective techniques for life and death situations. In sparring we did do full-contact with some protective gear so we were conditioned to take hits really hard too. But there's a lot of vulnerability. We were taught some grappling but there's very little that was taught about what to do when you're taken to the ground. I really learned how to fight when I started sparring with friends from school who all practiced different martial arts.
@@anonamemous6865 in a real fight you have to win at all costs cause you don't know if the opponent will kill you or smth. In most cases, honor and pride are bs, they won't let you do what you want.
Around 1:06:36 there is a jump in the video from MMA to Systema and Pencak shows in F tier. What happened there? Would like to hear a discussion about it. Great video. Also have some martial arts experience with multiple styles. You guys really know what you are talking about. Nearing the later styles it seemed like you were more comparing to justify the tier.
I see boxing as the best martial art, because boxing is more effective than wrestling and bjj, is true that boxing doesn't teach you what to do if you're on the ground but it's the best way to finish a fight, for example if you're fighting in a street fight against three opponents, how are you going to end the fight with them with wrestling or bjj ??? You can't even subdue one opponent because the others will destroy you, but boxing on the other hand is the best martial art to teach you how to punch harder and deliver a knockout that will finish the fight
@@thedarkking32 I would say the majority of people trainng martial arts nowadays are doing martial arts without grappling. I've seen boxers and kickboxers in street fights figting there for minutes while I've also seen people end a fight with a boxer in seconds with a throw (the best self defense is still running away which works well if you know how to apply good throws for example). But I agree with you for the ground fighting part and I would never go to the ground in a street fight no matter if it's a single opponent. And it would not be enough to just train a grappling martial art. It is important to train different aspects of hand to hand combat, for example combing kickboxing with bjj or muay thai with wretling. I personally did a lot of Combat Sambo which features punching and kicks as well as throws and also ground fighting and I think it is quite effective as self defense (except the kicks to the head)
I always saw Aikido as a complimentary martial art, I wouldn't want to rely on it in a fight but it's great for teaching people how to fight. Spatial Awareness, how to fall, positional awareness etc.
Underrated comment. Everyone trash talking about Aikido. Most people just don't understand Aikido is a survival martial art, not a competitive one. The fact that many Aikido senseis are flower smellers doesn't help either. But properly tough (my sensei was a disco guard, so he knew stuff) and complemented with a day-to-day martial art (Karate in my case, Taekwondo or Kickboxing) is a must. Special mention to girls. Aikido, in my experience, is extremely effective in girls. They are usually grabbed and mostly underestimated. Aikido is very effective in those situations. If trained properly, of course.
I did karate for 8 years. A very self defense oriented school with little to no competitiveness or sporting aspect. We mostly trained blocking, distance and keeping up with the surroundings. Almost every week there was a practice where you need to defend against 3 or more guys. The one thing that was taught a lot is taking a control of one guy and placing him as a meat shield between you and the other attackers. We also did basic knife and gun defense training. There was this one dude who occasionally taught mat wrestling, and although he was good at BJJ, I don't think I learnt anything useful from him. I feel like I've learnt more by watching UFC and WWE, which basically means I don't actually know shit about ground fighting.
Kinda surprised you've included Systema (which is, to my knowledge, just a meme/scam, as you've quickly pointed out) but didn't mention Sambo, which is more or less Soviet-developed MMA and has competitions, pressure testing, known MMA fighters coming from it, and even basically translates to "self-defence without weapons": САМооборона Без Оружия
To speak to Krav Maga, i did about 2 years in my teens, I'll be fair and say that my school wasn't the best but 80% of what we trained for was realistic scenarios for self-defence and I think that was also the primary goal of Krav Maga. Usually 3 main focuses, good punches, kicking and wrestling for if you're forced to fight. I would probably agree more or less with you if you're talking about winning the fight, however when you're ranking on the basis of self defence, your chances of survival go down drastically if you choose to actively fight, ANYONE teaching actual self defence should teach how to deflect, distract and run if possible. Self-defence is about self-preservation and not staying in the fight, unless you're ABSOLUTELY out of those options, which is honestly so fucking rare. For most fights most training goes straight out the window for pretty much anyone with only 1-2 years of experience. Krav Maga taught me a good situational awareness of who and what are in my surrounding area and how to get out alive. I agree that Krav Maga is a mixed bag of everything, but you're taught how to survive which is the purpose of it, not to necessarily be good/amazing at fighting, but good enough to get out of said situations.
The thing with krav maga (and I am talking about the traditional Israel one that is used in the SF) is that it has no rules, since it is used for when a soldier might lose their weapon, this is why pushing in the nuts, eyes, throat is acceptable and is why there are no competitions except for the shitty worldwide
That is why any good Krav Maga school will have you be already experienced in some martial art like boxing, karate, muay thai, etc. and to build your cardio.
@@Mark-wq5uw but that's easy to get around, sure krav maga organisations might not sponsor any such thing but you could do so unofficially. At least in the gym I went to we did that for fun and also sparred with outside people
“Sport shaves off the bullshit” - well, it also shaves off a lot of maybe useful stuff which injures opponents in a way that isn’t acceptable in sport but is acceptable in self defense.
that's the funny thing about these "reality based combatives" hard core tough guy types. They are reinventing the wheel of essentially Katas which are meant to drill techniques you can't compete with. I say having those and taking them seriously+sparring is the correct approach
For those who are wondering where the discussion about Pencak Silat disappeared you can find me and Ramsey Dewey discuss Pencak Silat here: ruclips.net/video/YdUxZ826KcY/видео.html
Kinda understand why you cut that out🤦 you should get ready for the incoming wave of Indonesian and Malaysian people
This is the most idiotic comment i have ever heard Japanese ju-jutsu you only train and no pressure Do you Know why they dont use it in full contact and under presure ? people die and its one of the major reasons Judo exist as Ju-jutsu , is a martial art created to kill , disable and hurt some one the most effective way . not some sport element , ju-jutsu has no rules. you want to rip some ones eyes out you do it . you need to break some ones kneecaps you do it .
There is a reason why Ju-jutsu is called the mother of all martial arts ( asian that is ) and that only competive forms are sparing , katas and fighting sysem . You go full contact many people will break limbs and some will die . Any self respecting martial arts practitioner knows this , it like bajonet fighting and shooting at targets in real life people die .
So that also awnsers your question its just training , I bet you dont even know what martial arts are and what a self defense sport is . or even the origins of martial arts or what european martial arts are. Here is a hint they are for war not for sport. a sport has rules preventing lasting or injuries. martial arts have none . nada zero null.
@@ahmadnasri9635 true
pukulan (poekoelan) one of the best!
What are your thoughts on sambo/ combat sambo
There *is* one ‘S’-Tier self-defense art: Track & Field / 100m dash. 😉
I think you forgot about glockfu
It's good when you're on your own, but not the best if you are around loved ones
SS-Tier self-defense art: Persuasion 100
I give it C+ for these reasons :
1. When you are on the ground, you can't run.
2. When you are held, you can't run.
3. When you can't abandon your love ones, you can't run.
4. When there is no space, you can't run.
5. When you are slower,, running is useless.
@@drewcasper4608 In my country, Thailand, people are not alllowed carrying guns.
Ever so casually, Icy Mike gave us one of the best thoughts about self-defense:
"You need to be really amazing at one specific thing, and be good enough at everything else to funnel people to that".
Agreed
This a fantastic quote and rings very true.
@@MartialArtsJourney that is how basically Khabib fights
Greco-Roman is fantastic for a street fight. If you can't get the guy to the ground, you BJJ won't mean a whole lot. A suplex on the concrete is game over. My buddy threw a dude over the bar in a scrap. A quick hip toss and the fight was done. But, it all depends. You can clipped with a hook, knee, upper cut, etc...on the way in.
That glorious hairless head can think hard.
I agree 100% that one of your best self-defense skills is verbal de-escalation. I've worked in the military, high-risk security and VIP protection and in all areas verbal de-escalation has played the biggest role. As a trainer, I used to tell new guys that the best martial art was a verbal judo class. You can't lose a fight that doesn't start. You also can't get sued for it. People don't think about it, but if you beat the crap out of a guy and then the civil court finds out that you've studied ten different martial arts and fought amateur MMA...things don't look quite so rosy for you if you didn't make every effort to de-escalate first.
Does that include a man intent on assaulting a woman? I’m probably wrong but since they are mostly about power and control and almost always nothing to do with sexual desire verbal de-escalation is probably unlikely. Especially since in this situation you may be 3/4 of the way past deep doo doo before you even realize you’re in deep doo doo.
Exactly. And one of the others is running away.
best self defense is buying a gun 🌚
@@b1822 Until someone or your kids took it from you...
Problem is: psychopathic predators don't "escalate". So you won't have an opportunity to "de-escalate". If you are still talking, violence is not warranted. If you're attacked, defending yourself is not "violence"
I'm 70 years old. I currently hold Black Belts in Taekwon-Do, and Shotokan Karate and have 25 years of Yang style Taichi Chuan. I joined organized martial arts when I was in my early 40's. I did so for exercise. Having said that I started fighting when I was around 10 years old. School yard fights, back alley scraps and later parking lot fights when the bars closed. I had many many fights in my early 20's and 30's. I have an Anxiety Disorder that manifests itself as anger. Consequentially I ended up in prison in my early 20's. But that is another story. I have been beaten so severely that my own father didn't recognize me. In my early 40's I decided to start with organized martial arts for exercise. And first started playing Tai Chi Chuan and then gravitated to Taekwon-Do and Katate with a bit of Judo thrown in. I found that organized martial arts helped me with my anxiety which in turn helped me with the anger issues. OK. But I never viewed, and still do not view, organized martial arts as a form of self-defense other than how it helps me emotionally. Organized Martial Arts from what I've seen is concerned with rules and is generally sports orientated. Which, I suppose, is the the most effective form of self defense. "Defending oneself from our greatest enemy which is the one that lives inside of us." But that is "waxing philosophical". As a martial arts instructor I have taught self defense classes. But those have nothing to do with any type of organized Martial Arts. Self defense is defending yourself. It is fast, dirty and get out of there as quickly as possible. And it is not "fighting". Do what you have to/need to, to get out of the situation. If possible do not allow your assailant to grab onto you but if they do you need to eye gouge, bite, or stab them with whatever is at hand. The second step of self defense is "Don't put yourself in the position to get hurt in the first place." That is the second step because the first step in 'self defense' is learning to believe that you are actually worthy and therefore you deserved to be defended and take care of yourself. Don't put yourself in harms way. As I mentioned I've fought, I've fought hard, I've kicked and bit and been kicked and bitten. I've run away to fight another day. People need to stop confusing organized Martial Arts as self defense. There is no "tapout" when you get assaulted in an alley. There is no ref or corner judge or coach.
Corollary: You have no idea what that man you don’t know is capable of.
One of the reasons my school doesn't teach tournament sparring - muscle memory trained in specific rules and level of force will not help you if you are fighting against it when you need it. Sure we spar and tag each other decently wearing pads so we don't serious damage, but otherwise we keep it only organized in the sense of standard dojang traditions - strength, cardio building, forms, defense techniques - but otherwise it can be pretty improvisory in application when we play around.
how can i contact you. i need advice and i can pay for that
@@harryohrn6051 I took a college class in self defense and the instructor swore on shotokan. He had a dojo with a partner. Some of the SD was good. They mock attack a student in the parking lot but he was warned against it, because they got reported..lol not in my class prior classes. He was a former police officer.
Try CBD and or anxiety meds. Some try the real herb in low doses..CBTs for anxiety are secondary..
You won't win any tournaments. It is may help you get out and run for help or cover. If you go toe to toe an old guy like me will lose anyway..you gotta break something and split. If they grab you work with it for the next move.
Thinking of signing up again but everything is expensive..
@@harryohrn6051is muy Thai of any value? How abouts kenpi? I think boxing is of value, but I don't like the dancing, around. I don't like the ducking punches. I am so short if they catch me ducking they will just jump on top of me push me down or something dirty. I also hate the ethnic pride bull.
No need to watch… we all know AMERIDOTE is on top!!! 👊
Just kidding, Karate of course 😇
Oh no, we forgot to put AMERIDOTE on the list! But yeah you are right... It's obvious Ameridote would be an S
Only really need to learn the sidekick
@@MartialArtsJourney you need to make video with master Ken, he will explain why everything on the list is BS
Correct answer is actually gun-fu as made popular in the late 90's. John Woo for the win.
@@RenzDavis it's with guns so it doesn't count... still Amerido-te beats Gun-fu every time
As a former Wrestler with 11+ years of experience, I think one of our biggest issues in a self defense situation is how vulnerable we can become to outside interference in an actual street fight. If you are getting in a fight, chances are there are going to be more that just you and your opponent there. There is a high likelihood that as soon as you take a guy down and start clubbing him with your fists (we don't know what punching is), his friends are gonna come in and kick you square in your head, and next thing you know you are getting jumped. While I think this is a pretty universal weakness in grappling in general, I think other martial arts/ self defense systems are more equipped to deal with something like that. If we had to rank the best SUPPLIMENTARY martial arts, I think wrestling and a lot of grappling arts would rank pretty high, but by themselves, there are a lot of dangerous holes for a self defense situation.
ya I got jumped after I hip tossed a dude and was on top ground and pounding his friend came up and kicked me in the face big issue then got jumped so personal experience but its true
I had this exact thing happen to me. I had tripped a guy and got on top of him and instantly got kicked in the throat by his friends was a terrible situation to be in lol
If I percieve more than one person, thats when the pen or pencil in my pocket comes out.. one on one, if the guy doesnt have grappling experience, he is toast.
the biggest issue is the slow thinking in play, you decided bare hands while you got car keys on your pocket in the first place, a pen or pencil can do it too. always look out for anything is the key, you can even find a brick to bash their head. theres a reason why i always carry a bag with only 1 book with me so i can block sharp objects (its a habit, i came from a city with a school war tradition who fights with sharp weapons) i did taekwondo and boxing, but only a fool fight bare hands in the street you just simply do not do that (but who am i to say such things i knew about punching people first before doing any martial arts so maybe its just another habit)
@@spacey9707 my FIRST thought when I am about to throw down in a street is always "does this guy have friends and or weapons and if so how do I neutralize this?"... sometimes the art of talking is best lol. but i'm prepared to do the worst, to ensure my or my loved ones safety, so talking is my preferred route.. for BOTH our sakes.
As someone who has unfortunately been in alot of fights, something I've noticed is that grappling pretty much always comes into play, even when neither myself or an opponent(s) intended to. You're in a survival mindset, you get close to somebody attacking you, and you instinctively grab and hold. Grappling training with a basic knowledge of striking is your best bet in a life or death hand to hand situation. Boxing is great but the candid videos you see of dudes lighting someone up on the feet, is in reality, a small fraction of street fight's outcomes. I took capoeira for 5 years, and I agree with what they said 100%, one thing they missed in it's favor, is the understanding of measuring and rhythm it gives you, which if a fight goes long enough on the feet (>30 secs), is a HUGE benefit to your safety and success.
That being said, there's no great defense for a bullet.
The best fight is one you just don't get into.
Grappling is very important
I have dabbled in several martial arts over the years...they make a very valid point...the one I learned the most in was the one where I got punched in the face. 😁
@@eugeneaddison2851 getting punched in the face definitely teaches you alot!😅
IMHO Capoeira, because of its multi directional movement and ability to control space, is better at defending against multiple opponents than on a one on one situation.
@@XieTianXieDi888 I agree! It can be devastating to multiple opponents when executed properly!
Most of what I remember in Tae Kwon Do, it was 95% conditioning. Practice was run laps, 2 basic kicks, 3 basic hand strikes, run laps, cardio + footwork practice, run laps, pushups+situps+more bodyweight, sprints, practice taking body shots, run laps, and stretching. Then run more laps. It didn't teach me to win a real fight, but I sure as hell could run without gassing out and throw a decent punch. Good starting point for learning a practical fighting style.
The lowest risk of getting injured in a fight is to not be in a fight. Running with decent stamina to avoid the fight should be the primary defence, and for some reason people always drop it....
Definitely a good starting point. We didn’t spar much when I was in it, almost 5 years. I transitioned into Tang Soo Do alternating BBJ biweekly. We spar. I’ve seen how TKD has definitely helped in a lot of ways. As you stated. I knew I needed to have some pressure testing so a change was good. I’m better at my kicks and definitely more limber than most student in class.
the footwork is legit, and if taught correctly you will learn to kick correctly. but you will NOT learn to defend yourself. I did TKD, worked at a school... but on its own TKD is useless
WTF tae kwon do right? Try ITF
TKD is one of the most beautiful martial arts. Unfortunately though... hands and fists are almost always faster than knees and legs! You never get to kick artfully with a running start in real life situation. And y'all know dat!
I was like "I'm not about to watch an 1:23:14 long video, so I'll just click on the ones i want to hear about" and then i clicked on every martial art out of order and watched the entire video lol
Haha, cool
lmao same
I didn’t even realize it was over an hour long 💀
same!
same lol
I have a real life example regarding boxing and wrestling.
Two friends were involved a fighting vs a larger group of people (sort of self-defense situation, as they may or may not have had option to run away). One was trained boxing, one was trained wrestling. One on one, the wrestler would destroy the boxer, but in that fight, the boxer was unharmed (knocked out few attackers in fact), the wrestler was badly injured because he took the fight to ground (he knocked one guy out, but was beaten by the the group).
If there are multiple people involved, don't go down ground.
Very interesting
i was surprised how low they ranked boxing and i am a grappler
My friend, your imagination is grade A1. Outstanding. LOL.
@@TyGosketch
I didn't know I have super power to make reality. I was talking to real person face to face, and we touched fists.
You can choose to believe me or not, after all, I'm only a random dude on the internet.
Was boxer a golden gloves champ with some brain cells? Was wrestler a JV wrestler who couldn't get a starting spot to save his life. Here's another story for you. Had 2 friends one was a folk style wrestler other guy did muay Thai. Muay Thai guy got mobbed and brought down by 5 dudes got the shit kicked out of him. The wrestler hit a few dudes with the ground knocked some of them out. They tried mobbing the wrestler but since getting up off the ground and escaping is a required skill he was able to fight off the group.
Having grown up in one of the most dangerous part of my town in poland and seeing people geting jumped on daily, this list is very odd. I think it all comes down to the viciousness and fact that theres usually more than 1 opponent. Kickboxing and muay thai always was the king and fellas who were training those faired by far the best.
Visciousness yeh I agree. Also fear management those things can’t necessarily be taught
@@alexanderstevens145 This is huge, i think they did mention it a bit in the clip, but you need to be ready to get hit, multiple times. Whatever you train, however good you may think you are, there will be pain.
But how often do you face collegiate level wrestler in a Poland street fight. I rather face a striker than get punched by the earth.
@@timproc9355 While you are right, if your opponent is a vicious monkey who doesnt care about your life, and your takedown try is literally a coin flip with better odds due to your training (seen too many wrestlers not being able to take people down to change my mind), id rather stick to standup. Life isnt gym mat.
Agreed. They obviously have a grappling bias as most sport fighters do. Would love to see a grappler take on multiple opponents or deal with small joint manipulation, blades, biting, etc.
Thought I saw Aikido over BJJ in the thumbnail and I nearly had a stroke 💀
That would be true if only Steven Seagal was considered.
Then again, no one would be alive to witness it. 😂
Lmao
@@Shadow__133 steven seagal is a fucking clown and a professional bullshiter
You did
i'Kiddo, but it gets all the style points though.
Would have loved to hear Mike's opinion on Sambo.
Me too.
I agree, in the Sambo system. There's the regular Sambo and combat Sambo which is like MMA.
Same....was gonna ask that, too
You, was also thinking about combat sambo
I dont know about Mike but i do muay thai and my opinion is sambo and sanda both work very well but i dont know if its different enoph from kickboxing or mma to fall into a different section.
This was so easy to watch. I started it without looking at the length and about 20 min in realized what I signed up for lol
I am happy that I wrestled in HS for 4 yrs and that coupled with Army Combatives training has always made me at least a little more confident in my ability to defend myself and my loved ones. I don't want to give anyone too much false hope, but even simply being the first to calmly step up can easily turn people away from wanting to fight you. I've stepped up to groups of 2 or 3 dudes who wanted to do harm to someone else on multiple occasions and they turn away with a remark. Nobody wants to fight someone who's calm and confident.
it is true what you said, confidence has a huge role in defining a situation, but to be actually capable is to some degree a concrete confidence that will be shown, so better be actually competent than looking like one.
@@blahhdelmygmailcom you’re right and it’s not always the right move to step up at all. I did put the disclaimer in there that I wasn’t trying to give too much false hope lol All anyone can do is trust their training, knowledge and instinct to make the right call.
@@tmauntler Active self protection channel on youtube talks about this.. 3rd party encounters, be VERY careful, because you don't know who either person is or what it's about or what they're capable of. But if there's something happening where you don't think you can look yourself in the eye ever again if you let it happen, of course you do what you have to, but he generally advises to stay out
@@Drikkerbadevand lol well, they were all people I knew/loved being targeted in ways I couldn't turn from. I agree that not knowing context can simply make things worse
This is why I always defend aikido as a useful practice. I've literally had people try to punch, grab, or kick me thousands of times and am so desensitized to bodily threats that I'm not going to freeze up in a bad situation. I've trained people who don't have that experience and it's really sad how vulnerable they are psychically (I mean sad in an empathic way, there are a lot of reasons to be that way).
Fun fact: greco-roman grappling techniques were developed to be used in real combat situation (particularly in war) and we have historical records of those techniques being actually used in battle.
Possibly a small point, but it would have been nice if theyd specified which type of wrestling they were referring to.
@@ronfox5519 greco-roman , don't know what "type" of wrestling it is ?
@@lovelife1867 We don't know, the sources jusy say "wrestling". A famous case (and also a quite lqte one, since it happens in late antiquity) is that of Andreas, in The Battle of Dara, under the command of Belisarius.
@@ronfox5519 That happens all the time. We now have these typologies of swords, weapons and techniques, these specific categorizations, and ancient and medieval chroniclers just write "sword", "spear", "wrestling". The only marked differentiation that we get from ancient sources is πάλη (Pálē -wrestling-) from πανκράτιον (pankátrion -a form akin to modern mma).
@@jarlbregadan914 same shit different names. They all learned the same thing, and it all falls under the same umbrella. Complicating this is like discussing lineages with kung fu freak nerds.
“Muay Thai is not winning ufc fights” has to be the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard
Get used to it. All of these "Best Martial Arts" videos come from know-nothings that just wanna gas up the martial arts they like. Go into the Aikido forums, and they'll be talking shit just as hard. Same with Krav Maga, Boxing, Muay Thai, etc. Hell, the most shit-talk tends to come from BJJ guys that couldn't throw a punch to save their lives, but they'll try to convince you that they could take down 4-5 armed Crips.
In UFC rules, Striker is already at a disadvantage in terms of rules because he cannot attack the back of the head.
assault enemy on ground is dishonorable in muaythai, it’s a rules.
@@mixdayful oh wow snow flake, in real fight you don't care about the rules.
Leave your anime reality.
“Muay Thai is not winning ufc fights” - yeah it is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. +
@@mixdayful Muay Thai as seen today has rules for use in sports competitions. But its origins come from being used by soldiers to fight for their country hundreds years ago(Nowaday called "Muay Thai BoRan"(Boran = old style). Therefore, Muay Thai in that era could do anything because it was created to kill enemies. (In those days there were no guns, only swords and knives. Muay Thai is practiced when you don't have a weapon in your hand to kill your enemy.)
Most streetfights i've seen were boxing matches, i know boxing is limited but i still think they massively underrated it.
They did. Boxing is easily A Tier or higher. The issues with BJJ is it only works 1 on 1. And even if you think it's 1 on 1, it may not be if the guy has a buddy role up. Never go to the ground if you don't have to
boxing should be higher on the list.
I tend to agree. I read a quote from a pro boxer once. He said that most people think of the sport version of boxing when they dismiss it as a self-defence system. However, experienced boxers know how to use elbows in close, know how to strike vital targets that normally aren't allowed, know how to clinch effectively... They just don't get to use these techniques in competition.
If a boxer taught himself a few basic kicks and grapples, he would be pretty formidable.
The footwork and positioning learned is so very important!@@jcadwell1172
Yeah, but boxing doesn't teach kicks and grapples. If you teach a judoka basic kicks and punches, he would be just as if not a harder opponent than boxing with basic kicks and grapples. I mean one on one, the boxer needs to be very good at keeping distance or get a really good hit, before a grappler gets close. Because as soon as the grappler gets close it's over.
My japanese Jiu Jitsu club was excellent. I think mainly due to our instructor though... he had black belts in multiple martial arts and used to encourage us to go train at other clubs. He said we may learn techniques that work for us, but was confident that at worst we'd appreciate our club more.
He also said if we learned something cool somewhere else, he wanted us to show it at our club and see if it was viable. He was a pretty cool instructor.
I feel like og jujutsu has the best mentality of being the most open minded in situations as it's similar in fashion to wrestling historically and mma but gets too defensive based. Whereas you need to use it against resistance and attackers at full force.
@@NeroAngelo616 the Ryu of Japanese Jiu Jitsu I studied as a child in Penang had offensive moves and weapons.. we were taught Weapons before we learned empty hand techniques, some thing I have done over the last 35 years of Instructing
I have seen JJJ videos and it appears to be a complete system.
@@THE_Secular_Conservative It's one of the oldest arts as most martial arts are a refined piece of it extended down from the 20th century onwards. Og Jujutsu was a piece of the Samurai.
@@NeroAngelo616 It looks cool. My current Gracie Jiu-jitsu instructor was a student of Japanese Jiu-jitsu for many years.
I’ve trained three years of Muay Thai and after traveling around to different dojos in the U.S, the biggest issue is tradition vs. fitness. So many people try to compete locally and although their cardio is excellent and they are muscular, their technique is lacking. Striking a balance between the two is important.
Exactly. I was shopping for quality Muay Thai training and most dojos were based on exercise. Found one that was tradition/Thai way. He trained in Thailand, got certified in Thailand, and fought in Thailand. Everyone really needs to research a new dojo as well as the teacher(s).
@Austin Batton he called a Muay Thai gym a dojo lmfao
in Thailand i wouldn't even touch a muay Thai fighter
Understanding where it hurts to get hit on the human body is essential. I got beat up a few times and then realized where it hurt and used that technique back on those who bullied me. I only won about a dozen street fights in my life.
The fk do you mean "tradition"? Muai thai is a sport form that actively bans most moves used in the actual martial art called muai boran.
I'm a south African and have been in a mugging situation twice in Cape Town. I never knew instinctively that If I where to find myself in that situation weather I would have a fight or flight/freeze reaction. I practiced wing-chun forms for many hundreds of hours before these incidents. IE: The forms where wired into my brain like a musician's instrument. The first incident happened when my dumbass wanted to take nighttime photography of the town during a misty night. (dont do that in SA). I was jumped by two guys and I responded so quickly that I surprised myself. I always trained to use palms and fingers to the face and fists to the solar plexus. Because of my hard wired training and explosive reaction I managed to mess both guys up and escape with my camera, which was my source of income at the point. I probably would not have responded the way I did if it was not. The guy who thought he was a flight man became a martial artist in a second. (this sounds lame but it's true). The second time I was much more aware of my situation and as the assailant reached into his hoody pocket for his weapon blood was coming out of his nose. I did not stick around in either situation. I acted very swiftly and left just as swiftly. I was fitter and stronger back then but I know that those neural pathways are still in my brain and my body will react without much thought. I dont need to bench the whole gym if I can stick my finger in someone's eye; they don't want to play when they are blind. Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk.
Judo is very underrated as self defense, slamming a guy on the ground usually just takes the person out, if you're not careful you may hurt his head depend on where it lands, the thing about judo, I always ask my sensei to teach me no-gi throws because not everyone will be wearing jackets for you to perform that.
I think Judo + some striking techniques are enough for self-defense/street fight.
It provides throws, ground works, chokes, joint locks, sweeps, holdings and strikings enough for a regular person.
One thing about street fights/anything outside a competition or sparring session? The ground is typically a LOT harder.
Seriously. Getting slammed on a hard floor is not fun. And concrete? Just call the ambulance already.
It's also really good because it has some of the most practical training/sparring of any sport so it really helps you stay in control in these situations
Rather than learning Judo you should learn Combat Sambo. It's essentially Judo, Kickboxing and Wrestling together.
@@PeaceDweller depends why you’re learning martial arts. Sambo isn’t as popular or accessible and outside of Russia and it’s neighbours the quality of the coaching isn’t consistent. I like judo because of the respect, rules and uniqueness of its style. Self Defense wise sambo is good but it is also very technical with limited sparring because it is not as common so in practical in-the-moment testing it’s not as strong.
Here in eastern europe countries there are a lot of street fights as you can guess and there are also alot of Judokas and I can tell you especially a Judoka against a non trained person is devastating. Judo is really dangerous in a street fight, usually 1 throw and it's over as most of the times an untrained person wouldn't know how to land and would hurt themselves pretty badly
Well the truth is all martial arts is useful against an untrained person
As Icy Mike said, Judo is better for stand-up fighting in a self-defense situation than BJJ is, but BJJ is better at ground fighting than Judo. That said, in my opinion, it is preferable to keep yourself standing in a self-defense situation than going to the ground if you can, and Judo more or less allows that.
@@ig-8892 bij = judo. Check their background. Gracie family were thought judo. Not jiujitsu Wich never made it to Brazil. It is judo and teaches the same curriculum. Judo has the same ground game. Just not in competition.
Might i add judo is the sport version of jiujitsu (military fighting). It being a sport means that its main focus is NOT to hurt your opponent. It's literally the soft path. Jiujitsu practitioners will throw you head first into the ground. Result death. It's no joke. A good judo guy can throw you and knock you out.
But judo teaches all the throws,holds,locks,chockes,passes ECT. Because BJJ = Judo
@@glowNINE But Judo will take out the untrained in a move easy and I've used it in real fights subduing a person and Army sparing where I just could not stop myself from throwing full speed which knocked the guy almost out and out of it for a good amount of time.
But correct I know from WWII British commando Karate can kill in one blow.
True, I was knocked few times by judoist thats was fast and gravitation was devastating
Thanks for conveying what I meant, Mike. People are always surprised when I mention that about Aikido at first. Haha
Aikido is actually less than worthless as it can get you harmed if you try to use Aikido when attacked. Better you realize you know nothing and run!
I do want to point out that Aikido is one of the martial arts used by the Japanese police to incapacitate perpetrators in Japan in combination with other Japanese martial arts in a system they call taiho jutsu(which literally translates arrest technique). You can see the influence of Aikido along with Judo in taiho jutsu in this video:
ruclips.net/video/hBwB1-GqjXk/видео.html
@@christopherknight3942 There is a big difference between facing someone to fight them and trying to use Aikido and being a Police Officer and having someone on the ground and using a joint lock. Keep in mind that Aikido will get a person hurt in a real fight. Aikido was created for "show" not "go"
@@johnreidy2804 Aikido's predecessor Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu has been around for hundreds of years and includes long and short sword training. Aikido because of it's defensive philosophy is a watered down version of it but includes many of the same joint locks you find in Daito Ryu. The application of it's techniques are situational just like Krav Maga but because of it's limited nature(purely defensive with no strikes or grappling) is best used with other martial arts just like taiho jutsu. I like being a complete fighter myself and have trained in different martial arts and can attest that some of the techniques aikido or it's Korean equivalent hapkido teaches is indeed quite effective even against a larger opponent resisting in certain situations.
@@christopherknight3942 Aikido is worthless and its Korean equivalent is NOT Hapkido which is effective. If you think I'm wrong go pull up a video where two people face off and the Aikido guy wins. You won't find one unless its just for laughs. The creator of Aikido Ushebi even said it was for show. The word Aikido even means "harmony and together". Its basically a choreographed dance friend. Really it's not what some think it is.
Martial arts isn't about self-defense, it's about finding the perfect gi to accentuate your beer gut.
Facts
I know beer gut bouncers who could put you away in seconds.
then bjj would be s tier for that
Are you saying they found the perfect gi? @@stalker7892
Why anyone goes anywhere that a bouncer is needed is beyond me.
I trained in Japanese ju-jitsu for 3 years and we full contact sparred in every class, both standing and ground. There was a degree of weapons training that was mostly knife and sword work. I consider myself very lucky because I was worried that it was a mcdojo. I had a mugging confrontation and the techniques in that class saved me getting my ass beat.
did you use the opportunity to kick their ass though?
What kind of sparring? Like Judo style throws and pins type?
We used to do the same in aikido. Messing with rubber knives, marker pens and plastic bottles.
It sounds funny but helps immensely with timing and situational awareness. You also realize how many times an aggressive opponent "marks" you.
@@jammin1881 Just a pity that aikido is shit irl.
Yea bjj sadly took over because over hype but traditional jujitsu is pretty handy to train in
A Navy Seal once said the two best MAs to learn for self-defense that're available to the public are boxing and BJJ/GJJ, simply due to the fact they're highly effective even with the worst instructors.
what is not available to public?
@@Akasxh I don't know. I'm only aware of the public ones. I'm guessing there's some advanced CQC training when you're a Navy Seal or something?
@@Liberum69 I don't think that's necessarily the case. The most effective martial arts will already be known of. Most military martial arts will be ones that can be taught quickly because they have to spend so much time training other things and the chances of hand to hand combat in warfare involving no weapons is very unlikely.
@@abcdefksohfosuh9024 That makes sense. And it explains his practical suggestion of boxing and BJJ, too, as they become useful very, very quickly, and it's easy to find somewhat competent trainers in most places, unlike most MAs.
I see boxing as the best martial art, because boxing is more effective than wrestling and bjj, is true that boxing doesn't teach you what to do if you're on the ground but it's the best way to finish a fight, for example if you're fighting in a street fight against three opponents, how are you going to end the fight with them with wrestling or bjj ??? You can't even subdue one opponent because the others will destroy you, but boxing on the other hand is the best martial art to teach you how to punch harder and deliver a knockout that will finish the fight
As someone who wrestled for 15 years it really makes me happy to finally hear it included in a "top martial arts" discussion... always feels like it gets left out but you guys summed it up perfectly.
bro do you live under a rock? i never did anything martial whatsoever, i am a super-casual mma pseudo-fan, and even i have heard countless times that wrestling is the shit - makes you durable, strong af, physically and mentally tough, and "most of the top mma-fighters come from wrestling" (probably heard it from Rogan)
@@jaromor8808 lol I might as well be living under a rock, haven't watched MMA for quite a while. Last I was watching the only thing anyone talked about was BJJ.
@@nein62 I'm sure you have seen Khabib when he was dominating MMA. He was a tough wrestler.
Now there is this guy called Khamzat, and he is a scary dude making his fights look like he is fighting amateurs, and I believe he is a tough wrestler.
Wrestling and judo are easily the best grappling martial arts for self defence and wrestling is the best for MMA. One throw on concrete is all it takes to ko someone a double leg that leaves you in the top position gives you the perfect opportunity to strike someone and finish them
Perfectly how,there's no strikes or submissions in plain old wrestling and in a streetfight it's useless against multiple people. Do you know how stupid you're gonna look just going for a double leg over n over? You can easily get hit by someone else while you're grappling. No way it's an S.
Such a wierd list. MMA is S tier, wrestling, BJJ, kickboxing, and Muy Tai are A tier. Judo is B tier. And you can throw the rest away under F
8:38 In my experience with Gracie BJJ, we'd usually do 1 hour of lessons & drills, followed by 1 hour of free rolling with pressure. The rolling was done from Day 1, but they'd go relatively easy on you until you're ready for more. It was a safe environment to be progressively challenged.
I'm challenged!
That sound like sport bjj.
I was in gjj' combative class, there was not rolling. You need to go to gi or nogi class to roll.
@@Krissada1000 I don't think every Gracie academy or Gracie Garage is doing the exact same thing.
God damn that sounds like fun, 2 hours of balanced BJJ like that would be the highlight of my week
That is incredible amazing
The duality of how sport can wash away BS but also water down a martial art is quite an interesting thing to think about.
i was thinking the same thing. from one side sport allows to pressure test the art and produce strong athlete but to pressure test the art it's hisk risk techniques have to be removed in order to practice the art somehow safely. then again if we were to practice self defence it would always be partial and a lot of it couldn't be tested anyway so we are probably still better of practicing sports like wrestling, judo, bjj etc. but it obviously can get to the point of taekwondo where sport gets so ridiculous that it become patting contest. ps: the good taekwondo that they talked about is ITF and it still sucks- in competition strong kicks nd punches are not allowed and actual class consists of at least 50% patterns training(kata).
This lies in how we decide the rules within the sport
I find this interesting as as well. The competition process makes the martial art effective but the ruleset can breed bad habits for free fighting.
Pulling guard in a street fight is the classic example.
Yeah I thought that was a good conversation and then it sort of went out the window for TKD. All the other sport arts made it to at least C- I appreciate this list more than others I’ve seen.
I have taken Judo, Taekwondo, Wrestling, Muay-Thai and a little bit of BJJ.
Unfortunately I've been in alot of bar fights and this describes what has happened to me on many occasions.
1. Punches, kicks, shoves get thrown (first 10 seconds)
2. Clinch (next 5 seconds)
3. O Goshi or Uki Goshi happens quickly, they land HARD and I get side control. (fight usually is about to be over at this point because people around now intervene by pulling you off or attempt to kick you in the face etc)
Judo - O Goshi or Uki Goshi variation is the most natural, easiest and effective technique in a street fight once you clinch.
Judo has been the most helpful martial art for me in real life situations.
Gold comment
Ogoshi is very easy and natural and instinctive. You can always just do it without thinking and it is very effective.
Looking at the data, most street fights end within the first 10 seconds because people lack basic boxing skills. To defend against punches and to throw them properly is probably your best initial skillset to know. Therefore BOXING is S tier in my opinion, and as you say, some basic clinching skill and judo is next.
Boxing also comes with a reduced fear of face-punches, which is very useful
Yeah I say all you need is boxing/judo or wrestling
Anybody done 6 months of boxing can obliterate any 6 month BJJ practitioner. Yeah nobody will drop on the floor even if you ask them nicely so that you can do your Gracie magic.
Rokas, we need more tier lists. I'm loving it. It was great how carefully you guys discussed the advantages and disadvantages of each style.
does this baldy have good experience in every one of them? He is commenting like he knows them all
@@yesiaskedhe does. He knows well what he's talking about
@@yesiaskedyup basically, he even mentioned his past experiences multiple times throughout the whole video, idk how you missed that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I disagree about Escrima, I did a year of it at that point in my life and was attacked by a guy with a knife and was able to disarm him after getting stabbed once in the arm and slashed on the ribs. Those drills saved my life because it was dark and one of my contact lenses got knocked out in the scuffle. It could also have been the 16 years of karate, 3 years of BJJ, 1 year of Muay Thai and was teaching gymnastics in my twenties. All I saw were flashes of silver and had no time to think it was just reactions burned into me from repetition.
you got cut, but least nothing too vital
@@evanmcclure67 not sure if this is what you mean but no matter the art you’re probably getting cut.
@@Genktarov I'm saying you're gonna take damage if you're dealing with a knife. I'd rather get sliced or cut on my arm than my kidney
It's interesting huh, I could actually see the key in one guys hand when he went to punch me one time it's like super vision
@@davidherron3136 Yeah it was weird because it was fast but in the moment time slowed down.
Icy Mike is basically saying the same thing I've been thinking about while considering a martial art to get into. Being REALLY good at one and exceptionally well at others to compliment what you are really good at. Kind of like mixing a striking art like Taekwondo with some Muay Thai and a takedown and groundwork art like wrestling or jui-jitsu.
yea i did TKD at the age of 8-14 and still continue
i thought of BJJ but now that i see this list i feel like there are 3 other better ones (in A/-A/B list)
Taekwando is mostly a waste of time.
@@cslife6666 not entirely but if you looked at it compared to the other martial arts then yes
How about a gun or a martial art that gets a person ready to defend themselves in a short amount of time by exploiting natural weaknesses?
@@charzanboo9940 if time is your limiting factor, just buy a pistol. The problem with training something that teaches "natural weaknesses" is that it's highly technical (stuff like joint manipulation, pressure points, understanding balance/center of gravity, etc.,) and that takes *a ton* of time for it to be realistically useable under pressure.
If you want the overall (in my opinion) best combination of martial arts for self defense, I'd say learn wrestling (catch wrestling ideally, but less common) and muay thai.
how about sambo? and also, which combo of two of those you talked about would you place on top as the most likely combination (of two) in being able to defend yourself? what about boxing/greco-roman?
Isn't sambo already some kind of mixed martial art?
sambo has wrestling/judo/TKD and boxing and some stuff from Muay Thai. For me its the best
you mean dance fighting lol
From my experience, getting on the ground in general was never a good idea for self defense situations. Mostly because every instance of a street fight I've seen or briefly been involved with was heavily centered on groups of people targeting smaller groups or even an individual person. I've seen guys get on the ground to do a choke or attempt an armbar only to be descended on and mobbed.
It's why I'd suggest Judo instead of BJJ or Wrestling, personally.
Judo though promotes a lot of bad habits in terms hip throws. Turning you back especially if you don’t have as many points of contact (no gi) is bad. Most foot sweeps maybe besides O Soto or Ouchi require the opponent to be operating under Judo rules (and a fancy de ashi to strike is not going to help you if you can’t throw a cross). Even if you get thrown it’s worse on concrete but not fight ending necessarily. If your opponent has any natural wrestling inclination, you don’t train sprawls and in fact are probably standing too straight.
@@gudea5207 It does train bad habits, there's no arguing that. I can only recommend Judo more than I can BJJ due to what I've personally seen. Which is Judo being used to end fights by sending a guy head first onto concrete compared to the one or two times I've seen someone bring a fight to the ground, only to get mobbed on.
I also say this, being someone who practices BJJ (no Gi). I think Judo is just better for that situation due to my experience.
Prevent getting to the ground anyways. Others can kick you in the head.
@@chowmonkey2002 It's just not a good idea in general.
whether is a good idea or not, 90% of all fights end up in a clinch of some sort and eventually can and do fall to the ground. Being able to defend yourself on the ground is extremely important. If you are skilled you WILL get that armbar or choke someone out.
I trained aikodo when i was a teenager and my master was also doing kyokhusin pretty seriously. He was always very upfront about the fact that even he as a blackbelt couldnt and wouldnt try to pull off any aikido based-move in a real fight, he would rather hit and low-kick. The founder of aikido also required originally that his students must be a black belt in some other martial art like judo or karate. I mean if your aikido master is not a self-righteous ego inflated man, it is definetly be a different experience than in the bullshido videos. From the first days of my training it was very clear to me that it wont help me in a real life situation, but i've learned so much about physics in a sense that i really started to feel how you can turn a straight force to a circular orbit. I think if someone is trained in other, more concrete and effective martial arts, aikido could be sort of an elevated, more abstract addition to their feel within a fight if you know what i mean. If you only do aikido you dont stand a chance, but it is still a very interesting thing to do.
It's a waste of time, stop dancing around.
@@cslife6666 You havent even read what i have written, have you my boy?:D
Supplemental? Redirecting opponents would work great with multiple opponents as far as I can tell. Wrestling came from medieval knights which were TANKS so they didn't really worry a out that 3rd person as far as I know.
@@Jd-zl7mn Except you're not redirecting anything cause it's not real, your opponent doesn't resist, drop your ego, I'm trying to help you, go try 1 BJJ session u will see the truth, nothing works against multiple.
@@cslife6666 its not ego just trying to find uses. Planning on getting into HEMA.
Been training in Taekwondo for a little while now. My instructor always made sure that no kicks to the legs or punches to the face (unless you're a red belt up) were allowed during sparring because if something goes wrong, you're out for a long time. However, feel free to hit hard if you can take the hard hits anywhere else. He also teaches you how to take out knees gouge eyes, takedowns, etc in real fights. I hate seeing the 'tag sparring' be the face of Taekwondo
Yeah tag TKD is the ‘sport’ not the martial art
I got DQ'd a long time ago in a TKD tournament for opening a cut on another guy's face when he was coming in. It was supposed to be light point-sparring (as opposed to the one with the armor and gear on), and this was only a little bit after the WTF / ITF split. On the one hand it was a good result because I didn't pull it sufficiently, but on the other hand, he was advancing and it was a counter to that.
Anyway, it seems like every TKD instructor will have other things to teach besides "sport" TKD - the worthwhile ones, anyway. Even the TKD I had, which wasn't too bad, considering, didn't deal with takedowns and close-range attacks. We did ridge hand, chop, spear hand, as well as punching, but the focus was on kicks (it was TKD, after all). I'll bet most of the low attacks you had were things like the twisting kick or the back kick or low side kick. We used to practice a while measuring distance to the bag and going some of that stuff to gain distance. Good counters for high attacks can be low attacks and vice versa. Especially now, you can seemingly advance to black belt and further with just forms and breaking techniques. Now, those things aren't nothing, and nearly every TKD program will spar as well, but the focus doesn't seem to be on practicality anymore.
A lot of the "self-defense" taught at a lot of schools is just a move without a whole lot of realism to put that move in context of when you need it, so I'm not convinced of the legitimacy even if the move itself is legit.
I don't know what the face of TKD is these days, just that if you say you used to do TKD the next question generally is "what else did you study". I find it a little ironic because I still remember asking the guy next to me IN TKD class who was an Aikido black belt why he was doing TKD (I was in my 20's at the time). TKD nowadays isn't quite to the level of Aikido now; more slightly behind sport fencing I think. Cool tricks, great game, will keep you in pretty good shape, can be made useful for real-world applications if you know a whole bunch of other stuff too...but on its own pretty limited.
same here, exactly same here
They did mention in the video that Karate (full contact and with skill) can be very good for self defense. And ITF TKD stems from Karate as well, so would you say that it's pretty useful if trained with sparring and less limited ideologies?
@@digitalcamaro9708 main problem with any tkd is it mainly relies on legs for fight which is not the best
I personally prefer striking forms in real life street fighting situations because usually there are multiple aggressors. With striking you can maintain distance and you don't always have to fully supress your opponent(s) to defend yourself. Often 1 or 2 strikes are enough to deter or put doubt in your opponents' mind, giving you a window opportunity to walk/run away. With grappling, too often you need to fully commit and you can only target one at a time and end up on the ground only to end up being surrounded.
When choosing where to train, look for dojo/gyms with a master who has a lot of experience at competition level that also offers full contact sparring.
That's why you should train multiple like muay thai and bjj if you could get good at both of those you will be extremely dangerous in a street fight
Why boxing is best for this
@@WTFNoobProductions muay thai would be the best for street fighting if its multiple opponents
@@conorcrawford8311 That's a great combination
@@Baci302 Boxing and wrestling for me is the supreme combo for self defence
I took judo as a kid, 10, but only took it for a year. However, it had taught me a lot in that year, simple throws, choke holds and how to fall safely. The falling safely has saved me more times than not. Also most fights end on the ground and that is were Judo has helped me.
Out of all the noise i just watched, you sir spoke not base on hearsay or anything else but real life experience. Judo should be top tier ( if i had to go back in time it'll be the first i'd take) along with Muay Thai being street fight is a different ball game and very rarely a one on one were rules are thrown out because its never a defense but a survival.
I think you brought up the greatest thing martial arts can teach you. Rolls and falls. I guarantee at some point everyone will need and use those. Great point.
Ah, yes. I see that you know your judo well.
Defiantly. I've taken a few falls, tripping for example, and I just rolled with it instead of breaking my pelvis@@antondrachuk6552
Most fights don't actually end on the ground. This is a mith coming from a statistic of encounters with police officers.
In my Gracie Jiu-jitsu gym, we basically do BJJ with ground and pound and strikes from standing and how to deal with them while grappling.
@Oodles of Noodles
Yeah because its stupid to go to the ground most of the time
@Oodles of Noodles giving your leg to a dude with full guard can also mean u get tripped
@Oodles of Noodles Nonsense.
There are a good amount of videos of that not happening at all
Disagree with the whole tier list..All Wrestling and let's be frank almost all the grappling systems you've labelled in the B+, A and A+ category should be way lower and definitely not A tier..As they're almost strictly designed for 1v1 orientated confrontations, require too much physicality in order to execute their techniques well and let's be frank if you are getting up close to your opponent who could be stronger than you expect and even worse concealing a knife or a gun you could directly be putting yourself in the firing line of a critical strike and we're not even taking into account if said opponent has allies willing to jump into the fray to subdue you. Boxing and most striking arts should generally be way higher as they teach the practioner to focus on keeping away from your opponent/s and ending the fight with minimal effort they are more easily applicable/adapted to multiple pronged attacks from assailants whereas most grappling styles simply cannot accommodate these scenarios well enough without potentially putting yourself directly in harms way. Krav Maga is probably the only genuine A tier system as it is specifically designed for real-life scenarios.
The world needs to hear you my homie I think even Krav Maga should go above MMA if am not mistaken bcuz like you said it’s designed for real combat situations n EVEN tho MMA is more versatile it’s kinda targeted towards competition fighting
Great video!
As a Muay Thai instructor/practitioner for 20+ years I learned a painful lesson against a wrestler. He caught my kick and dumped me on my ass. It was a real eye opener for me. I asked the wrestler to teach me how to stop that and defend against the shoot. I started to add take down defense in class. I would point out the weaknesses of Muay Thai to my students and make sure they were aware of them as well as ring fighting vs street fighting. At the time I was teaching stand up at a Daniel Moraes BJJ school so many of the students would take both so they could help fill the gaps in their games.
In a street fight with no rules, with unpredictable outcomes, fighters will get more advantages if they know other combat techniques.
Haha, the unseen weapons of wrestlers are gravity and Mother Earth 😁
They can easily break bonesssssss with any throw on the concrete ☠
Excellent performance
In street fight, dont ever knee or leg. Use clinch and elbows. Your mistake is to try to kick a wrestler. If a wrestler tries to grab you, use clinch to give you advantages and cut his head with your elbow,.
You know.... this is basically first month of Karate Shotokan or whenever Mae Geri is introduced. Take leg even faster then you threw or when it gets caught you are toast. Usually done by sensei.
BJJ, Muay Thai and Judo is the ultimate combo
Muay Thai, MMA and Sambo are too.
Hapkido >>>
@@caiodosanjos157 Muay Thai better
Kyokushinkai is more badass than muay thai, punches to the face were removed because it was too deadly !
judo is basically bjj so no
The clinch work comment is understatement. Clinch work is so beautifully useful for closing distance that many striking arts don't realize they need....some will literally stall up wondering what to do next. That clinch can be such a game changer.
They are talking about self defence. In the streets clinching will probably get you stabbed even by guys who don´t even have the balls to cut you on their own.
Yes so true.. There is a lot of places that teach Muay Thai don’t spend enough time teaching the clinch IMO
@@kriscrystaline9793 I agree they focus too much on the striking/k1 aspect of it and don’t utilise the clinch
Its hard to take this list seriously because its clear you guys have absolutely no understanding of most of these arts.
That was just what i think😅
Lethwei definitely is crazy. The judges don't even score the rounds, it's either KO, TKO or a draw lol
No judges or rounds, this is self defence not sport.
Lethwai has brutal rules but the level of competition not good, their best fighters are not great.
@@johnkennedy7368 Lethwei is probably fit for a street fight as a headbutt can be applied against your opponent. It's hard to become a real sport.
@@weekdaycycling You don't have to be a Lethwai fighter to headbutt, I trained in Boxing and Muay thai for 43 years, I headbutted guys in clubs but hey what do I know im just a noob.
@@johnkennedy7368 lethwei is a martial art used to beat up siam (Thailand) in war history the fact it a sport is crazy definitely a good self defense
@@Saaannn22 I never said it isn't a good form of self defence, it disgusts me when people twist my words.
I said they havnt produced many good fighters.
My parents forcing me to go to Muay Thai and MMA classes literally saved my life several times. Once a guy kept messing with me, long story short he started to hit me and I low kicked into his upper thigh and that was it. They left me alone and stopped hanging around my school, no clue if they would have jumped me but I booked it once he stopped attacking.
Another time was at a party and it never moved past pushing but once I took a stance and got ready to be hit the guy said nope and stopped right there, he was way bigger and in better shape but that confidence my parents installed into through forced classes has no doubt saved me.
I was never a bully just the quiet ackward person I am today but WAY smaller. Thank you Mom and Dad, anyone on the fence do it, get in there and learn. Don't do it to fight, do it so you can defend yourself when forced to fight. Good luck friends and great video.
@@Tyborzthat’s most “mma” nowadays but really what they should be doing is teaching how to use them in an mma match (rules where you can strike, grapple and ground fight)
Yeap, the confident eye, that's something that has saved me many times. I've done some Tae Kwon Do when I was younger and although there are plenty of guys out there than can beat me, I'm so confident and calculative when the fighting starts that people get discouraged and immediately back down.
@@Tyborzbro stop glazing
Thankl your parents. After doing karate for a lesson I got into a fight in school and my parents pulled me from the lessons. After that I was always getting punched trough out high school.
I call bullshit. Boxing and Kickboxing are S rank in streetfights. While you grapple, a second guy can kick you and its over. Wrestling is only good against one guy, but that is not how most street fights are. Also when you look at most recordet street fight scenes, the winner is always a good boxer. A good bjj fighter can win against a boxer, but thats not how street fights work.
Mate when a judo player grabs you he will not give you place for u to punch him or to kick him
You obviously dont know at all what your talking about if you solely train boxing vs a bjj guy the bjj guy wins but you honestly shouldn't train 1 martial arts anyway you should do muay thai and bjj and judo or wrestling then you can cover all 3 facets must thai is better than boxing because they train you to use everything not just your hands if a boxer fights a muay thai fighter he will get kicked and dropped instantly
@@hanasabalbal1689 You guys are forgetting that this isn’t a list of which martial art would win competing, it’s a list of martial arts based on their effectiveness in a self-defence situation against a presumably untrained criminal/agitator. Boxing is pretty damn good for that, as you can stun/KO multiple opponents in quick succession.
You really think grappling styles beat out striking styles? Hope you enjoy losing every fight against more than one person. The time you spend choking out a guy is time that his buddies get to wail on you at they please. Who needs silly concepts like mobility, creating distance, and being able to respond to other threats.
Both of these guys together will lose really fast 💨 in a fight with Steven Seagal at the age of 71 using Aikido
I started Kyokushin at 13. Muay Thai at 16, competed for years, trained at competition level till my mid 40's. Started BJJ at 48 (am now a Blue Belt), Judo a year later (Brown Belt now). Striking is still my first go-to, but I would say Judo is the best art for SD, and I wish I had started it when I was a kid. Judo has the best takedowns for SD, it has chokes, holds, breaks, and it had Olympic level conditioning. The only people that are a problem for a good Judoka are wrestlers, but the same is true in reverse. And since we're discussing SD and not interdiscipline competition, I vote Judo. ;)
So to be clear, you like judo better for SD than BJJ?
I practiced judo as a kid and am looking for a martial art to get back into for SD, but also fun and fitness…
@@The_Scouts_Code Yes, I would prefer Judo, providing (but that's always true I guess) you practice it for competition (no matter the level) or you do proper randori.
Every BJJ school I've trained at does proper sparring, and this is why BJJ is always 'real' whereas a lot of other MA schools don't spar. I've seen recreational Judo classes where there was no real sparring, and the results speak for themselves. Not good. But why I prefer Judo is that it starts - and usually ends - standing up. The moment you lay a hand on someone, or someone lays it on you, you have the edge, because that is where Judo starts.
But it has to be practiced under pressure, with resistance. Sparring, randori, in other words.
@@The_Scouts_Code I'm going to say Judo as well. I've done Judo, BJJ, boxing and Muay-Tai, although boxing only for a year, and I have found that my Judo training has been the most useful for SD. I've been in three situations where I can surly say that it helped me but not necessarily in the way most people think. Adding to what Mike was saying in the video the break-falling part and balance you gain from Judo is probably what will be most useful for everyday life and I don't even know how many times it has helped me avoid injuries which is why I recommend it over some of the striking sports/arts since they don't teach that element.
Whoa, you started Judo at 49? Isn't Judo pretty though on the body, especially if you're over 40? Ive heard people choose BJJ over Judo because Judo led to more injuries. Much respect to you, sir, for starting new martial arts at a later age.
@@lordtains It helps that I never stopped being an athlete. I had my last competitive Muay Thai fight at 46. Learning to breakfall was not easy but it was certainly doable. But thank you for the compliment.
As for injuries, it's certainly true that Judo has more of those than does BJJ, but I never competed in Judo, and sparring recreationally is less demanding. I do compete in BJJ at a very local level and I've never been injured. I'll be 60 at the end of this year and doing fine. ;)
Great video! My only 2 cents is that boxing should be rated around A or B. You fell into the same trap with boxing as you almost did during the Judo rating when comparing how a Judoka would do against BJJ on the ground. We shouldn't rate how boxers can deal with a grappler. We have to assess how the martial art would work in a street fight situation against an average person (not a high level practitioner of another martial art). Therefore, boxers would do very well because of their good understanding of distance, range, reflexes, athleticism, and a relentless toughness. The speed and technique with which a boxer can anticipate an attack, cut an angle, and land a devastating blow is very effective. Not to mention, an average person won't be able to simply take down a skilled boxer so easily. There are obvious scenarios where it's not effective if a boxer is caught in a sucker punch or ambushed unexpectedly. Even a wrestler can be knocked out cold if he's caught at the wrong moment. In terms of self defense against a real life situation, boxers are very well equipped to neutralize an attacker. Perhaps I am wrong, and I am happy to hear other thoughts. Thank you for the video!
Im 15 and i do boxing. But you would need a little ground work.
@@aibutttickler have fun bjj'ing multiple attackers, like wtf
@@aibutttickler You said boxing would be a poor choice going against multiple attackers. I respectfully disagree. Given that fighting against multiple guys at once is a stupid idea anyway, what better martial art / combat sport is there besides boxing IF one had to?
@@aibutttickler no fighting style martial art or anything truly sets u up for 1v2+ but ground work will set u up for 1v1 to ground. But the best is gun training. Could set u up for a 1v12+
@@aibutttickler Boxing might be one of the best martial arts for multiple attackers because you are great at keeping distance while striking and keeping your balance planted on both feet.
BJJ or any kicking martial arts puts you at great risk by either going for takedowns or kicking against multiple opponents because they could easily overwhelm you
Totally agree on the break fall training. Trained in judo when younger, and Kyokushin now in my 50’s, but the skill that has saved me from serious injury ‘in the streets’ is break falling. Watching an untrained, older person take a tumble is kind of a train wreck.
Yep. Every judo dojo has at least one person who has been saved from death or serious injury thanks to instinctually being able to get thrown to the ground and get back up again. In terms of "self-defense" it's hard to find other techniques that will allow you to walk away from a fight with an SUV.
I did judo from my 3 to 12 years (of age) and during my teenage years, I lost count how many times knowing judo helped me break falls and avoid injuries, specially when skating and BMXing.
Honestly aside from weapons, some of the worst damage people are going to end up taking in real fights are from bad falls/takedowns onto hard ground. Training in a discipline that not only teaches you how to take a fall but trains you how and gives you tons of practice preventing them is huge. I think Judo was rated fairly in this, and I was glad that mentioned those aspects as important factors in its favor.
This thread makes me wanna do judo
Boxing has helped me with 90% of the confrontations I have been in. Easy to use subconsciously when the adrenaline is high. About a year of training and you are already in better shape physically and mentally. Sparring keeps your fight or flight from clouding your mind.
And learn a bit of BJJ or Wrestling and you have the whole kit.
I have to agree with this. The combination of physical fitness plus full contact sparing is excellent for self defense.
Yeah I laughed and knew he would pit boxing on low. Boxing is a fat S tier, they did it dirty. Nobody will do fancy jump kicks or grapples while fighting on concrete.
It’s also practiced at full speed and power other then kickboxing/ Mui Thai…. The others are not
@@midnightvibes5485 yeah definitely training 1 or 2 nights a week in a hour long sanitised class isn't enough to build up the strength, stamina or reaction control that can help you deal with a real world confrontation. Most boxing gyms will have several different classes focused on different aspects like fitness, techniques or sparring and coaches who have actually had a fight or two in their adult lives
Boxing is mainly useful against your average/untrained person,a boxer would lose to someone that knows wrestling, mma or kickboxing on the street
I love seeing how MAJ has grown over the years and how humble he has become. Remember when his channel was all Aikido and how awesome it is?
And it takes a lot to make yourself reconsider and then publicly announce that. Good man, indeed.
@Ravi Verma this channel
I did Krav Maga in the UK for many years. Interestingly we were taught most of the things that you say others lacked, but the instructor did break away from the main Krav Maga group (I think it was Krav Maga Worldwide) and formed his own.
We did pressure testing very regularly, and we also sparred often. Most importantly, he would stress that the first option is always to avoid the fight in the first place if you can (including role playing situations), and we even covered after the fight - the legal aspects and talking to police / emergency services. I feel very fortunate to have found one of the better instructors, especially after seeing the dreadful “combat krav maga” online.
What's wrong with what you call "combat krav maga? :o
Is it an organization or something?
krav maga is not even a real martial art, it is copied mostly from everything else ... mostly a bad copy!
My instructor did this too and i left after realizing that i was paying a lot of good money for my instructor to tell me how to talk to cops, not fight. Same with history lessons, save that for a different classroom. Sure your instructor is great, sounds like youre getting ripped off
What was the place called where you learned ?
So these guys are so full of shit that they stray so far out of their lanes that they are giving legal advice!? Best way to deal with the aftermath is to get the hell out of there before the cops get there.
This tier list its ludacris, you have people like Ronin (27 ops www.youtube.com/@ronintacticsinc ) saying that he used jeet kune in life and death situation, 1year of Krav Maga/Muay Thai save me from a carjacking attempt 5 guys (1 gun and 4 knives ) got stabed twice in my back but they toke sh1t from me, before any type of training i broke a jaw of a capoeira guy I dislocated a boxer's shoulder both 2+ years of training, and yes you should talk about one art against another or theres no way to know which is best.
PS now i pack heat...lol
The best ones to learn is BJJ, Muay Thai, and Wrestling. A good amount of skill in each of them will help you in self defence in most situations (unarmed ofc).
The thing is most of each one will be a waste of time still. Imo this is the where MMA comes in. It takes the best from each martial art that works best in a real (or close to real) situation. They should do another vid on what they would specifically take from BJJ, wresting, boxing etc
@@TheOlzee one thing though ofc always run if someone brings a knife. The mma stance is counterproduktive against a knife, and gets you killed hence learn some krav maga fma for Those situations aswel
a good boxer can eliminate two or three opponents fairly quickly. Honestly, who would have liked to have a street fight with Prime Mike Tyson? No man in the world!!
@@kalterkakaozumfruhstuck1515 a trained individual can take down multiple untrained individuals relatively easy, Mike Tyson can probably take down dozen of people if they don't jump at him at once in no weapon situation. The physical capability is very bizarre, an Asian man can deliver a punch only around 1/9 of his punch, you only need twice the normal man amount to knock a person out or stun them, I once stun a guy for hours, he was knocked down for minutes. In self defence situation, your mentality, quick wit, being able to use brain in combat along with physical ability and understanding how your opponents will move really help, also ferocity, a lot of people get scared so easily which hinders their ability to defense themselves.
No point in learning BJJ if you're learning wrestling. The wrestler outmatches the BJJ practitioner in all things groundwork. Muy Tai or boxing covers the striking shortfalls. BJJ came on the scene when no one knew any groundwork. It lost its dominance once people learned Greco-Roman and how to defend against takedown attempts.
Wrestling + Boxing = it's great base to self defense 👍
Exactly
@Moshin Rafsanjani Bla Bla Bla, I am really in love with Muay Thai, but dude, stop focusing in having more and more, is way more effective to master the simple and then moving foward with a next step. You remember me MMA dudes that they think that they are God's just because they have all the movements of all Martial Arts, but then in a real fight a Boxer that have only 6 months and know just the basics can bit the shit out a MMA practitioner that have 1 year and think he knows all when in reallity is doesen't good in anything yet. You have start building the house by the base, not by the roof.
@Moshin Rafsanjani Yeah I totally agree in the point of if u break your hand u will be loosing the half of your weapons if u only know boxing. But that’s why we need to be Masters in knowing how to punch correctly. By the way you can see that in the 75% of the fights it will be finished by the first person that land a good punch knocking out the other one, so there is no too much room to kicks and knees in a regular street fights, u just wanna end quick and don’t risk too much going to the floor throwing a bad kick and falling down. Or in a lot of cases that you are having a fight in a bathroom, in bus in movement, or in a party, in that places you don’t have enough space to be kicking, and if you are a master connecting a really good punch the fight it’s over, and that can save your live better than if you know a lot of kicks but not knowing how to connect a 10/10 punch. As they say in the video: “Time spend learning kicking is time spend not learning punching”. So after all of this things one thing is true: in not every case we can say Muay Thai will be better or more effective than Boxing.
@Moshin Rafsanjani Sure, that's why since my first comment I mencioned that first we must Master the simple, and then going for the next step with that base dominated previously.
@Moshin Rafsanjani What do you think about Wrestling?
As a former aikido practitioner I agree that maybe just maybe there is a super human who can pull it off.
But a normal bloke like me could not.
Judo is my go to, self defense now but aikido did help my perception and situational awareness
Absolutely loved this video. I gave up Aikido after 25 years. You could say am a recovering Aikidoka. Thank goodness I gave up that cult full of obese elderly people. The day I completed the Navy Seals combat course was the day I quit Aikido with immediate effect. I would say the only benefit from Aikio was also developing my perception and situational awareness. It's been amazing ever since. I was going out of mind going to Aikido classes, standing on the mat, looking at the clock until class was over after doing pathetic repetitions of the same old thing day in day out, week after week. Looking at all those dan grades with huge bellies and fat around them, all out of shape acting as if they knew everything about everything when it came to self defence because there is no real pressure testing, been spoken to like a child and all the ritualistic garbage that goes with it. I'm a sensei in my own right and i couldn't stand teaching it. I had to look youngsters in the eye teaching something i simply no longer believed in. I used to think to myself "what on earth am I doing here teaching this nonsense to people who really want self defence." I was lying to them and myself and it had to stop. It's been 6 years now since i last put my hakama on and it's been paradise. There was few of us who quit at the same time who all had the same opinion and their lives have become more enriched after leaving. Seriously, if you are thinking of doing Aikido for self defence, please don't do it. Do other things first and then do Aikido later. Not the other way round. Trust me, I did it for 25 years and travelled to Japan to practice. I like to think I can offer some solid advice.
I think the creator of akido could pull it off according to gozo shinoda when he was a judo black belt he saw him demonstrating and thought it was bs so he charge at him and throw a big kick and ended up getting throw across the room. Not to mention the creator of aikido was also an army vet so he knew one or two things about fighting. Gozo also says he would go onto use aikido to win some self defence situations
@@ghengiskhan9308 Sorry, i completely disagree with you.
Man I'm surprised that everyone put judo that high up. I did judo since I was 6 until I was 14 and I always felt like that was totally useless outside of the dojo :(
@@MarcosAG90 F. Was there sparring and all of that? I've heard pretty good things of Judo, but people and dojos are different.
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Experience and confidence are possible the two of the most useful things in self defense, especially in surprise situations. When your brain and body doesn't hesitate because you have been in similar situations hundreds of times before, it can make a big difference.
The only self defense situations I have ever been in were ended in seconds with me pinning the guy to the ground. Most of the time, they didn't even struggle that much after getting taken down. They appeared to just be shocked that the altercation ended that quickly.
To be fair though, these guys were unarmed and were of questionable intelligence and sobriety, but the point is that the immediate and violent response of someone with extensive sparing experience can make a bigger difference than the type of martial art trained.
I was at best a mediocre high school wrestler, but when things start to happen my body and mind didn't hesitate and that lack of hesitation can make a big difference in an encounter.
It can also get you in trouble too. I once accidently threw a guy in a basketball game.
Absolutely. Been trained BJJ for over 20yrs and I’ve been able to de escalate some crazy situations
My son did TKD for 2 years. I don't think he ever understood that it was a contact game. He was rehearsing dance moves.
I don't understand why taekwondo is considered a sport or ineffective here. What I'm learning primarily at taekwondo is how to punch and kick people really hard with a little bit of learning which bodyparts can take an opponent's hit the best. I'm guessing it must be the difference between the different federation's styles? I've never really looked into taekwondo outside of my own school.
@@MrDagren I think in most cases, your average YKD student is 8 years old and belt progression is fast so it seems kind of like you're being sold something outside of actual combat skills. I think they all have something to offer but in my son's class, it was a lot of memorizing moves done in a solo performance.
@Jesus is God What is it like for you?
I only remind you, one thing is taekwondo and another thing is how they teach it, especially here in the West, real taekwondo, as it was devised, is a very complete martial art, I recommend you look for videos of how the Korean military trains
@@MrDagren The issue is that there's 3 major organizations of Taekwondo (ITF, ATA, WT) where all three are massively different so it's a real hit or miss. Traditional ITF taekwondo has a lot more focus on self defence, punches, throws, and escapes from locks. Still not anywhere near what you'd have in e.g muay thai, but the comparison of ITF Taekwondo to e.g Shotokan Karate is close to 1:1 since that's what it was derived from. If you're doing ATA or WT Taekwondo you're looking for a "fun sport", nothing more serious.
My Korean father-in-law fought in Vietnam and taught Taekwondo in the Korean army. He was also a radio operator for a couple years and survived. Dude's in his 70's and I still wouldn't want to test him. Also, the nicest guy I know.
He does the testing.
You don't test men like that ,they already passed
@mrorange3490 I agree that competative taekwondo is a joke for self defense but it's always a different story for someone who has used a martial art in actual combat. A martial art is far more effective when you don't have to follow rules.
Military Taekwondo is in another stratosphere.
@mrorange3490 I did taekwondo for 6 years and it really is a joke compared to other fighting sports, really like foot tag. But any sports that makes you fit, teaches you footwork, instinctual reactions and how to kick someone in the head, you will easily destroy anyone who doesnt do a fighting sport, even if youre in your 70s and have kept practising it on occasion
such a stupid list.
capoera same as jujitsu? lol
bjj 4 degrees higher than jujitsu? lol
capoera higher than taekwondo? lol
aikido same as takwando? lol
pencak silat lower thab aikido and all the other ones? lol
do you guys know anything about martial arts?
I practised Vovinam for 10 years since the age of 7. My master always taught 2 ways for every technique. One way that looks nice for performances and one way for use on the streets. Since I turned 18 I had to use those street techniques a few times and it got me out of some really tough situations. What the guys said in the video was right though, there's a difference between learning martial arts and learning self-defense because out on the street you usually don't know you're in a fight until you've already got hit.
I do not agree with that. If you have a good teacher, the first thing you should have learned is awareness. Awareness of yourself, your environment and others in your environment, as well as the energy in your environment. You should be able to spot trouble way before it happens in most instances.
Fighting your way out of a gang attack is the best policy
I see boxing as the best martial art, because boxing is more effective than wrestling and bjj, is true that boxing doesn't teach you what to do if you're on the ground but it's the best way to finish a fight, for example if you're fighting in a street fight against three opponents, how are you going to end the fight with them with wrestling or bjj ??? You can't even subdue one opponent because the others will destroy you, but boxing on the other hand is the best martial art to teach you how to punch harder and deliver a knockout that will finish the fight
@@sifu8056 I know this is an old comment but no one can be 100% aware all the time and if they are that could be a sign of PTSD. We all have blind spots, and to add to what the OP said, the dangerous situation is seldom the one you are aware of, its when you are blindsided, so situational awareness is important, but assuming that you should always be able to spot trouble before it happens is naive.
@@thedarkking32 muay thai would be alot more effective imo
I still remember being shown by a friend when I was a kid how aikido had taught her techniques that would allow her to break an arm in 7 places. She demonstrated how it would work by using my wrist to lock my arm and then tapping my arm in the places where it would supposedly break. Being 12 years old (and at a time before MMA was broadly known), I took her at her word that this technique would actually work. I learned similar techniques in Kuk Sool Wan in middle school and high school (i.e. perform this wrist lock and then strike here to "break the elbow"). Today, I am immensely disappointed in these traditions. The saddest thing is, I don't think that my instructor (and likely hers) truly knew they were selling lies. They were simply repeating what they had been told, and because the martial arts lack any realistic mechanism to test their techniques, instructors and students are able to lean in to their confirmation bias and believe they're learning something that will radically alter their ability to win a fight, even with someone immensely larger and stronger than they are.
Time has taught me what my fundamental human instincts always knew, size and strength actually matter, a 100 pound 12 year old can't manipulate a full grown man into a wrist lock and break their arm with a strike. I think mixed martials arts are slowly making that more clear to the world, and hopefully people are becoming less vulnerable to charlatan claims aimed at selling people the idea that they can overcome larger, stronger opponents with unarmed techniques they learn over a weekend self-defense course. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I thought this was blatantly obvious from the age of like 7
Grappling is almost all about muscle and body mass. Not the same goes against striking. If you ever get kicked in the shins or ribs from a 50kg trained fighter it will quickly dispel that lack of belief you have. Don't believe me? Picture fighting a short, 50kg muay thai fighter. He doesn't have to manipulate your limbs to inflict harm.
I took a TKD course circa 14 years ago. A sesson was split in 3 parts. Warm up/cardio, body weight excercise; hitting bags (the kinds worn on your arms like shields; technique and sparring (where you'd don on helmets vests & gloves). Beginners weren't allowed to spar. For a long time I'd still remember the tremendous weight transfer behind the kicks (we were instructed to kick "through" the target, as if he'd be like ~50 almost 2 spread out palms beyond where he stood). And the sensation to always be aware of your distance & head lest a right hand slips through. In boxing, only one out of several punches in a combo approaches the energy and sheer heft of an average kick. So, nope, some martial arts are practiced by tens and hundred millions of people. It's incorrect to lump them and mcDojos in one group.
Funny, I've heard the exact same Aikido legend of breaking arms in seven places from a friend (despite living in a totally different country than you or where Aikido has a bigger coverage in the martial arts scene). He did get in a fight once with someone with no martial arts background, and got beat up pretty bad. Thankfully no long-term injuries or anything.
Bullshido like that is legitimately dangerous.
Steven segal just killed u
No Sambo?
Sad part for my Judo: You did not mention that throwing folks on the concrete usually ends a fight.
Gracie jijitsu as A.why would u want to scrap on the ground with someone for swlf defence
I did Japanese Jiu-Jitsu. As part of our training we studied elements of aikido, shotokan karate and judo. We sparred all the time and did groundwork every session. We also learnt attacks and defence with traditional and modern weapons including multiple attacks. I know which techniques work for me and have had to use them very rarely but still visualise what could happen and what I could do when a situation begins to arise and I can’t get away from it safely. Being always aware of what is going on around you and getting away from danger is usually the first thought.
have you ever had an actual person (not a sparring partner) charging at you to literally beat you to death, or to cut your head off with a knife? like tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. training is nice, you get some exercise and all that, but you cannot know how you'll react in an actual fight. what would likely happen is you'd forget everything you've learned about martial arts and go into survival mode.
@@IRGhost0 I worked as a prison officer for 27 years and did have to use my skills although rarely. I have been attacked with table legs and homemade knives and was always in a position to defend myself. The only time I got seriously injured was when I was completely surprised by an inmate who I had been helping all day long who unknown to me had gone completely loopy and hit me in the face whilst he had a plaster cast on his arm whilst I was opening his door. I was knocked unconscious and had a bloody nose and mouth. He ended up being sectioned.
I have also been attacked by a couple of drunks many years ago (not at the same time) I used very simple takedowns and restraint techniques on both. Then let them go when they appeared to calm down.
The sparring and full-contact contests is something I remember vividly from my Ju-jutsu? Ji-jitsu? Ju-jitsu? Jiu-jitsu? days. Gloves, headgear and body armor for sparring, and the instructors occasionally went to tournaments and came back with giant bruises and/or casts. Since I'm a wuss, that's what made me drop out - I tapped the moment my opponent was approaching a lock, I didn't fight until the pain made me yield, and I did not absorb impacts but went down when the opponent got in a good strike.
@@c99kfm Just call it Jujutsu for clearer understanding.
@@IRGhost0 I've survived and defended over multiple knife attacks and protected myself and my friends from other people.
This is a great video. I got up to a 2nd degree in Aikido like you, but was able to experience both out of Japan and then in Japan. In Cali, training was very formal, ritualistic, and technique performance-based versus in Japan, where my sensei always started from the hardest position, with the opponent resisting. It was the polar opposite but showed me the value of feedback via increasing levels of noncompliance.
Ok, Imma be the salty judoka here. First of all, concrete. Most mma/bjj guys when they criticize judo forget that most of judo's throws are big powerfull ones, and that on concrete those can be a fightender. Also the newaza is fast, explosive and simple, which is better suited for a street situation when you don't really want to stay on the ground for a long time and you only want to engage in a groundfighting if you are forced to. I would ranked it at least above bjj and equally with gracie jiujitsu.
Yea I watched 2 videos of African people applying Judo (although I'm not sure if they do practice it.) One of them was an African woman who performed drop seoi nage on a taller man and bruh, you could literally hear the guy's head smacking the ground. He's knocked out cold immediately.
Bjj guy here, why wouldn’t you want to stay on the ground and also yeah I agree most judo guys I know would fuck me up on concrete
@@THEBRO1811 because of multiple attackers, you need to assess the situation in a self defense scenario.
Ain't no fkin way, that aikido and wing chun is better than pencak silat and systemma, lol.
As a Judo practitioner myself and ex Police, Mike is on the money with Judo. For self-defence situations, the quick grabs and instinctive movements (escapes, trips, off-balancing and of course throwing) developed when practicing judo over time will provide a big advantage in self-defence situations (when stood up). Ground work is frequently practiced so agree not better than BJJ but better than the average punter. All subject to individual physical/psychological limitations. Good to hear Mike keeping Rokas on track with that.
True, but I've overpowered a lot of bigger guys, then me because of judo.
In judo, if you're talking self-defense.. you're likely slamming a dude on the concrete. I'd argue a non-tweaker isn't likely to get up.
Police in Japan have to train in Judo... it's a prerequisite here. They know it's useful.
@@hugoramallo1980There's a lot of value in BJJ ground work. It has a lot more variety of holds (kneeholds, etc.) than judo and less limitations (for example I can choke with the legs even if I don't have one of your arms).
But you're also right BJJ guys just sit there waiting for you to attack them in a BJJ manner.
Judo's ground work is limited, but I think it's stood up part is way more useful and the ground part is more than enough to subdue any untrained attacker.
I took a basic Karate at an after-school class, and I think the most effective parts of it were the blocking. I have used the blocking before when somebody came at me, and just started going at me with their fists, but they missed every single punch because I easily blocked them all. I could have gone in with some kicks to knock them on their but if I wanted to, but we were kids, and their parent was nearby, and so was mine, so I just blocked over, and over until they got involved. Karate is a great self defense martial art for blocking, and defense. We were taught in karate that when you get punched in the face, you take a step back, and you lift your forearm to block the punch, and to block a chest punch you moved your forearm to the side to block the chest punch, and your stance is good for leg kicks. Same for your chest kicks, or head kicks. However, I have no idea how to fight on the ground if I was knocked over.
As a karate black belt I fully understand you. Karate is really good for defense and offense in a medium/long distance fight, even against more than one opponent. However, the short distance (despite kyokushin) and, especially the ground work is weak, although u can pretty much handle yourself against an untrained fighter.
I was lucky to find a dojo that has a little ground work and short distance. Unfortunately a lot of dojos don't have that and, even worse, a lot focus on kata (which is USELESS in a fight, despite what they make you think with the bunkai bs).
So, basically, if a karateca was to face a BJJ fighter, if the distance was kept, the karateca would easily win. But if they fall to the ground, may God help that karateca.
@@KingWilliam.99 very well said.
There is a window of opportunity to get up again in a scramble. I've seen it in Gracie tapes. But yeah, once he's stuck there.. Game over.
plus you it enables you for hikite which can be useful in my experience (yes imo some parts of katas can work)
Hilarious 😂
Some of the best things you can learn for self-defense are 1.how to see the attack coming 2. How to run 3.How to take a hit if the first two don't happen. My karate instructor taught us early on that things don't always go to plan. He taught me how to break a choke, and then he choked me, and I broke it, and he came back and choked me again and again and again until I got the message that the techniques he was teaching us would not always work in every situation.
My dad liked to choke me too Homer was a good guy though
I totally do not understand this ranking system.
Boxing that low is crazy
is because these guys never got to taste their own blood
It's great to have. It's up there. But it is missing a lot of tools and it's not so great for female use. It's also disabled when you get hemmed up, wrestled, slammed to the ground or you fall.
these guys have never been in a street fight, obviously
The question here is about self-defense, though, not fighting. #1 concern is probably escape. Boxing has no escape training, nothing about defense against weapons, etc. Great striking and man-to-man combat or even brawls, but obvious gaps in survival and escape.
@@martylund8411 Tell that to the video who put MMA and wrestling and BJJ at the top when these arts have no strategy against weapons and multiple attackers. None of the arts in A, B and C can disarm armed assailants. JKD and Krav Maga may have some concepts and techniques.
About 15 years ago I took a few Aikido classes from a Japanese man who was trained by Morihei Ueshiba /Osensei. Effective in a fight or not, I would probably be in better condition now if I would have stuck with it just from getting back up off the floor so many times.
Also easily adapated or modified to it's parent arts. Ones used for centuries of conflict and strife.
@Ravi Verma
When I studied traditional ju jitsu we were also taught strikes and stabbing techniques. Many were just edited empty hand strikes (done the same only minus the dagger. ) I don't want to butcher the Japanese terms but shika ken or botchu-ken? Something like that anyway!
Like you also said in your post many people take the arts out of context . Especially with stuff like Aikido. That's an art or martial art that also had roots in more brutal techniques. It's mindset and training practices changed. It's techniques can easily be used or as they once were.
Put simply to break or disarm armed foes in armed struggles.
I grew up in a rough neighbourhood where fights happened all the time, not the least of which were the bloody encounters with my own brother. It really toughened me up to take a pounding. When I finally started training in my late teens I realized that I had been really lucky over the years and that learning multiple techniques was amazing. Then, when we would have someone new join the club, I realized that refined training often doesn't help as well as random actual combat with someone not trained. The reason being is you were taught how to throw and block punches and moves that, if your opponent didn't have the same training, were almost useless. I had been training a few years and a new guy coming up who was great on the heavy bag, was a bigger guy, didn't stick to his teachings when sparring. He would swing wild wide haymakers. I remember the second time we sparred and he kept surprising me, swinging wide, and I thought to myself "Ok, absorb a couple of these, you can take it, then when he resets or gets gassed, then it's your turn." Problem is, he didn't stop.
"Problem is, he didn't stop."
Right -- It's definitely a mindset adjustment when you realize that Joe Schmo Attacker on the street, whatever reason he has for attacking you, isn't trying to save anything back for multiple rounds or even the walk home. He's angry and tunnel-visioned and will dump his adrenaline reserves immediately into whatever he's got. And adrenaline lasts a lot longer than a defender would expect, especially since missing your haymaker just makes you madder and grants more adrenaline as feedback.
Even a trained boxer aiming a "gimme" knockout blow at a wide-open opponent won't spend as much net force into that punch as a mouth-foaming angry man will dump into his wild haymakers. There's zero sense of self-preservation because the best defense for a man in a rage is a good offense. Dodging said offense is easier, but absorbing it is not wise.
Im trying to get the story and your insights but it's quite confusing, could you be more clear in what you're trying to say?
@@29DarkBoy exactly it sounds like he's
"yapping"
I encountered the same problem when play-wrestling/sparring with friends from other gyms. These guys would toss out techniques that either did not exist or I had not trained from my martial art and catch me off-guard. I only won a quarter of the time.
Actual combat can teach you a lot of shit and I do agree. At the end of the day though, I'll give kudos to you. Being in so many fights and actually learning them, I look up to ya. I could take a pounding and KO three times a day and still not learn shit from it, lol.
@@skullhead8617 thanks. It was a weekly occurrence for quite a period of my youth and even into my twenties, unfortunately. I carry quite a few scars from those days. It helped but also hurt that I was a scrawny kid that got big once puberty hit. It was often just a challenge navigating the people that wanted to pick a fight because you were the big 240lb fifteen year old with long red hair who stood out or whether you could puff up to intimidate your way out of having to actually fight.
The S tier martial art is a gun
I would argue that putting "control-type" MAs top of the list, is somewhat influenced by a implicit scenario of fighting a single opponent. In a situation, where you have to fight several opponents, going to the ground with one of them probably is less attractive than dealing out punches or kicks. So maybe the qustion of "which MA is best for SD" needs some more context as to the situation that the MA is being applied in. Having a single opponent already at your throat is different from an escalating confrontation with a group of "toughs"
This is the thing that gets overlooked so often: grappling looks great on the mat, but when you're on the ground in a real fight, your focus needs to be on getting off the ground before your opponent's buddy goes for a field goal with your head.
Practice at rolling may give you an advantage in being able to damage the guy you went down with in the process of getting back on your feet fast, but practicing staying down to grapple to the end is detrimental in a real world situation.
I kinda agree with you. But from all the street fights I’ve seen, wrestlers, grapplers and even bjj guys with even a hint of natural striking will do far more damage in a large fight setting than some of the pure stand up disciplines. Even when I was in college wrestling D1, there was a fight that broke out with the wrestlers and a lot of the other athletes, and almost none of the fights actually went to the ground. Even in stand up, the level was well above even some of the boxers on campus. We had an entire baseball team hospitalized. Secondly, look at the UFC stats with like 90% of the champs as former wrestlers, with bjj being the second most dominant discipline.
Which is why if you are a tall and lanky guy, taekwondo (strike type) complimented with control type MAs like BJJ or Greco-Roman wrestling would make you a street fighting monster.
@@AndreBland there is an old adage that goes like this: A Jack-of-all-trades is a master of none but, is better than a master of one.💯
@@AndreBland yeah street fights, not street self defense situations, which is what I think was the point of the video no?
I boxed for 8 years, starting at 19 and ending at 27; light heavy. Three carded fights, 2 wins 1 loss (I only competed in the last year). I also coached it for 6 years. With the history out of the way, whenever I had someone new coming into the gym asking to learn boxing as a form of self-defense I usually told them it's not the best choice of a martial art for that. I explained that this is a sport, it has rules and those rules will be DRILLED into you and your mindset. We break on a clinch, we don't kick, we need SPACE (that one is important), etc.
Space is probably one of the most important trained aspect in a street fight for a boxer. We train (and get use to) fighting in a set ring-space, we also fight 1v1, what happens when it's not 1v1? What happens when there is not enough space (packed bar, tight alleyway, etc.)? We don't train you for that. I agree with the list, especially regarding wrestling. Being able to fight in a tight space with your opponent starting pretty much right on top of you, smothering you, I would expect to be a prime aspect of effective self-defense. Wrestling seems a perfect fit for that.
Just my 20 cents.
I would think one of the important things of fighting in crowded space is a control of what is behind your back. Or you will get your head smashed by the bottle. Wrestling does not seem to help here with the focus on one opponent.
I like this type of mindset, I used to think negatively of boxing as inferior to real martial arts because it's just a sport as what was said in Baki, but after reading your comment, Boxing being a sport, It conceptually makes it more appealing to me now that it's not some real martial arts suitable for every combat situation
I did aikido in japan for some years, at best it was just dancing, at worst it was a true cult.
Sorry but in a street fight where people have weapons you are getting destroyed if you try wrestling.
Had a rugby lad once try that in a scrap, he was hit in the bottom jaw with the forked end of a claw hammer, his face is still squint to this day.
The fact you put boxing so low is another massive red flag here. Boxers are *phenomenal* in street fights.
I’m a judo guy (brown belt). I’m also a jiu jitsu guy (blue belt. I also box at a third gym. At each gym guys think they train the best art for defense, but each of these 3 make up a puzzle. Standing striking, standing clinch, and groundwork. If you don’t have one of the 3 you can end up in BIG trouble against an untrained fighter. In judo I’m a killer on the ground because of my jiu jitsu, in jiu jitsu gi/no gi in my last 3 competitions I’ve got taken down every opponent with the exception of 1. Judo has pins excellent for ground and pound, but is VERY lacking from guard bottom position and to be honest isn’t super sophisticated in passing. Boxing is good because most street fights are someone trying to punch you in the face, but more importantly in boxing you get hit HARD in the face and know how to keep fighting without freezing up. All 3 of these have REGULAR pressure testing in sparring.
I'm 65 years young Brown in Kozen Judo from the 70's and did lots of boxing as a teen and adult and that combination save my live many times in real combat and street fights, been training BJJ for the last 4 years a Purple belt now and still do Judo and hit the bag at least 3 times a week. The reason I still do Judo is because it gives me an edge standing against the younger guys. Also a brown in Kyokushin and ITF style TKD. Keep on grinding bud you are doing it right
Jesus how do you find the time to train at all these different styles over the years that’s like 5 different styles?
@@samuraisaxon6800 I’m a former heroin addict who did 5 in federal prison on drug related charges and one of the main characters in Dopesick (a book that’s now a Hulu show). I do work with families of addicts, speak at various places, and am almost finished on a book that 2 writers have helped me with. Training twice daily is the ONLY thing to keep me off drugs and from going back to that life. While on bond for my federal charges I trained kenpo karate daily for 2 years. In my video PRISON FIGHTS I Fought a Prison Monster I talk about what did and what did NOT work. That fight is why I train grappling today. I fought a guy who had a tough man boxing match against Butterbean. He didn’t beat Butterbean but didn’t get knocked out. Imagine fighting a guy Butterbean couldn’t KO! So if you like prison stories and martial arts, check my videos. Also I went from 135 pounds to winning a prison powerlifting competition, which definitely does give me an edge in grappling.
@@armandotabares8561 that’s awesome! I train with 3 guys who are over 70 and are killers! A brown belt in judo, and two bjj black belts. The judo brown belt is small (150 pounds) but handles young guys regularly. The two bjj black belts are reasonably big, but being older they’re not as quick and are very technical. With kyokushin karate as well you’ve got everything covered, that’s awesome.
@@thedopesickshow I like your way of thinking about martial arts. Unlike some other narrow-minded practitioners who always think that their style of fighting is the best without thinking it has its flaws. Really annoying.
I'm a retired Royal Marine Commando sniper and I started judo when I was 9 years old followed by Thai boxing for the next 5 years and finally bbj for a further 4 years and I have to say that every confrontation with a guy bigger than me my first instinct was always a judo technique because I can be offensive with Thai boxing and once I get close enough to get my hands on him he is in a world of trouble because I use his body weight to slam him to the ground and lock his joints on pressure points with the least amount of energy from me but he's in agony and resisting is just wasting energy making him useless later on.
Nice
such a badass combination, muay thai for striking, judo and bjj for grappling
Any advice for doing well at CTC?
@@TMACLE10 CTC?
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Kali: defending yourself with a knife against a knife attacker, while knowing kali, and your attacker does not have the skills you have will result in.... Saving your life basically.
yes, offence, counter-offence and re-counter offence.
Where TF is Sambo and/or Combat Sambo?
Combat Sambo is legit AF.
I did some Jiu-Jitsu when I was a teenager. I was never very serious about it, used it once in self defence against a not very determined attacker, and I think learning how to fall is the best thing I got out of it. I was also an inline skater, half pipe included, and knowing how to break falls saved me so many times. Even today, I can still easily break falls and not hurt myself. That is hugely underrated. Other than that JJ was most useful against my girlfriends - I'm a strong guy, and they always wanted to playwrestle to see if they can somehow best me. JJ was great in very gently putting an end to that when they didn't want to stop.
As someone who spent many of their childhood years training in karate, it really does vary a ton between schools. I was trained in a shito-ryu school and we were taught both for sport/competition, and real self defence. And they definitely taught us some very brutal yet effective techniques for life and death situations. In sparring we did do full-contact with some protective gear so we were conditioned to take hits really hard too.
But there's a lot of vulnerability. We were taught some grappling but there's very little that was taught about what to do when you're taken to the ground. I really learned how to fight when I started sparring with friends from school who all practiced different martial arts.
Well i think attacking someone that is on the ground is not honorable so maybe thats it
@@anonamemous6865 in a real fight you have to win at all costs cause you don't know if the opponent will kill you or smth. In most cases, honor and pride are bs, they won't let you do what you want.
Around 1:06:36 there is a jump in the video from MMA to Systema and Pencak shows in F tier. What happened there? Would like to hear a discussion about it. Great video. Also have some martial arts experience with multiple styles. You guys really know what you are talking about. Nearing the later styles it seemed like you were more comparing to justify the tier.
I see boxing as the best martial art, because boxing is more effective than wrestling and bjj, is true that boxing doesn't teach you what to do if you're on the ground but it's the best way to finish a fight, for example if you're fighting in a street fight against three opponents, how are you going to end the fight with them with wrestling or bjj ??? You can't even subdue one opponent because the others will destroy you, but boxing on the other hand is the best martial art to teach you how to punch harder and deliver a knockout that will finish the fight
Because they know nothing
@@thedarkking32 I would say the majority of people trainng martial arts nowadays are doing martial arts without grappling. I've seen boxers and kickboxers in street fights figting there for minutes while I've also seen people end a fight with a boxer in seconds with a throw (the best self defense is still running away which works well if you know how to apply good throws for example). But I agree with you for the ground fighting part and I would never go to the ground in a street fight no matter if it's a single opponent. And it would not be enough to just train a grappling martial art. It is important to train different aspects of hand to hand combat, for example combing kickboxing with bjj or muay thai with wretling. I personally did a lot of Combat Sambo which features punching and kicks as well as throws and also ground fighting and I think it is quite effective as self defense (except the kicks to the head)
@@marketnoise420 but man a wrestler can wipe a boxer ass if it's 1 vs 1 i don't know
Sorry, it was a misunderstanding. We discuss Pencak Silat in detail here: ruclips.net/video/YdUxZ826KcY/видео.html
I always saw Aikido as a complimentary martial art, I wouldn't want to rely on it in a fight but it's great for teaching people how to fight. Spatial Awareness, how to fall, positional awareness etc.
Underrated comment.
Everyone trash talking about Aikido. Most people just don't understand Aikido is a survival martial art, not a competitive one. The fact that many Aikido senseis are flower smellers doesn't help either. But properly tough (my sensei was a disco guard, so he knew stuff) and complemented with a day-to-day martial art (Karate in my case, Taekwondo or Kickboxing) is a must.
Special mention to girls. Aikido, in my experience, is extremely effective in girls. They are usually grabbed and mostly underestimated. Aikido is very effective in those situations. If trained properly, of course.
I did karate for 8 years. A very self defense oriented school with little to no competitiveness or sporting aspect. We mostly trained blocking, distance and keeping up with the surroundings. Almost every week there was a practice where you need to defend against 3 or more guys. The one thing that was taught a lot is taking a control of one guy and placing him as a meat shield between you and the other attackers. We also did basic knife and gun defense training.
There was this one dude who occasionally taught mat wrestling, and although he was good at BJJ, I don't think I learnt anything useful from him. I feel like I've learnt more by watching UFC and WWE, which basically means I don't actually know shit about ground fighting.
Too many empty words
WWE isn’t really wrestling, it’s entertainment.
My method is so much more effective than karate.
Why did you waste your own time leaving this comment? Never mind. I care not at all.
@@weevolvetogether I'm an expert at tai chi 😁
Kinda surprised you've included Systema (which is, to my knowledge, just a meme/scam, as you've quickly pointed out) but didn't mention Sambo, which is more or less Soviet-developed MMA and has competitions, pressure testing, known MMA fighters coming from it, and even basically translates to "self-defence without weapons": САМооборона Без Оружия
Yeah, it's my regret now that I didn't include Sambo or Kudo. I may make up for that in the future
Sport sambo is almost indistinguishable from Judo, and combat sambo is basically a hold barred MMA rule set.
@@MartialArtsJourney please include Sanda as well!!
Combat Sambo would have to rank higher than BJJ.
Speaking of systema Rokas and everyone else should look into Kevin Secours. Very legit.
To speak to Krav Maga, i did about 2 years in my teens, I'll be fair and say that my school wasn't the best but 80% of what we trained for was realistic scenarios for self-defence and I think that was also the primary goal of Krav Maga. Usually 3 main focuses, good punches, kicking and wrestling for if you're forced to fight.
I would probably agree more or less with you if you're talking about winning the fight, however when you're ranking on the basis of self defence, your chances of survival go down drastically if you choose to actively fight, ANYONE teaching actual self defence should teach how to deflect, distract and run if possible.
Self-defence is about self-preservation and not staying in the fight, unless you're ABSOLUTELY out of those options, which is honestly so fucking rare.
For most fights most training goes straight out the window for pretty much anyone with only 1-2 years of experience.
Krav Maga taught me a good situational awareness of who and what are in my surrounding area and how to get out alive. I agree that Krav Maga is a mixed bag of everything, but you're taught how to survive which is the purpose of it, not to necessarily be good/amazing at fighting, but good enough to get out of said situations.
The thing with krav maga (and I am talking about the traditional Israel one that is used in the SF) is that it has no rules, since it is used for when a soldier might lose their weapon, this is why pushing in the nuts, eyes, throat is acceptable and is why there are no competitions except for the shitty worldwide
That is why any good Krav Maga school will have you be already experienced in some martial art like boxing, karate, muay thai, etc. and to build your cardio.
Worst thing about Krav Maga is there are no competitions for it so you are not getting to practice it in a close to real life situation
@@Mark-wq5uw but that's easy to get around, sure krav maga organisations might not sponsor any such thing but you could do so unofficially.
At least in the gym I went to we did that for fun and also sparred with outside people
Same experience but for 4 years. You kind of nailed the experience.
You can win streetfight in any country if you know the basics of *Glokk-fu* & *Russian Illeguneira*
“Sport shaves off the bullshit” - well, it also shaves off a lot of maybe useful stuff which injures opponents in a way that isn’t acceptable in sport but is acceptable in self defense.
that's the funny thing about these "reality based combatives" hard core tough guy types. They are reinventing the wheel of essentially Katas which are meant to drill techniques you can't compete with. I say having those and taking them seriously+sparring is the correct approach