Atleast you have to be within the walls at midnight... Imagine how it must be for a scot in york... (It is legal to shoot a scotsman with a bow and arrow within the town of york Except on sundays)
Although these laws (the Welshmen and Scotsman ones) are still "on the books" insofar as they were never individually repealed, later legislation takes priority over them: namely, modern murder and manslaughter laws.
You should take a look at some of the old blue laws in the midwest. Dear Lord, I remember hearing one that it was legal to maim a Mormon in Missouri during Easter and Christmas. Super worried how that one came about.
"Boy! This guy wants to buy you. How many times have I sold you into slavery so far?" "Two, Dad." "Ok, I'll sell." "Ha haa! It was actually three times! I win my freedom!"
Temporary slavery was common as punishment. Let's say your stupid son breaks something from a neighbor, you give him to neighbor a salve until is debt is paid. Or if he rapes a good girl, if you can't pay the fine or the families agree on a marriage, than slavery it is. Or if you do something bad and you use your son to pay for it. But no more than 3 times.
In the Roman justice system, the people are represented by two separate but equally important groups: The cohortes urbanae who investigate crime, and the jurisconsults who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories. DUN DUN (I know what I chose probably isn't accurate. Just did a quick Google search for police and attorneys in ancient Rome)
So you're kind of right. The Cohortes Urbane were sort of a police force, but they were more like riot cops/thugs than detectives, more concerned with maintenance of public order than actually arresting anyone, if you committed an offense they would usually just beat you unconscious or chase you off. . If somebody committed an offense against you it was up to you to either personally investigate or pay for an investigation by a "private detective", until you had enough evidence to bring it before a court. Jurisconsuls were private citizens, who you could pay to either prosecute an offense or defend you from a prosecution. Many jurisconsuls might well have freemen in their employ who they could use as private detectives, and who would go around using a combination of bribery and violence to gather evidence. A prosecuting or defending citizen could also compel other men to give testimony under oath under certain circumstances. This is just from memory and if Im wrong anyone feel free to correct me. Roman law is actually pretty cool in how its simultaneously really similar to our modern law, but totally different in execution.
What about if you got lucky and survived the lightening strike and then passed a virgin, but you were also a priest and you fell at that exact moment and tied a corner of your robe while slipping underneath the litter and then cutting some of your hair on a sharp rock. I’m sure its happened before
It's not actually a ridiculous law in itself, but in my country (Norway) it was possible in the 15th and 16th centuries to be found guilty of "plate-throwing". It was an umbrella term for vandalism in general, and I always found this oddly specific name for it amusing.
This law was implemented after the dwarves visited Mister Baggins in his traditional grass covered, sunk hut, or in their more known name, hobbit house.
How does one go about sewing a sack full of animals all fighting for their lives? How big is this sack? What order are they put in? How long does it take to sew shut? Were they typically dead before the final drowning? How long did you have to wait for an ape to be brought in? This seems like a nightmare of a punishment for those who have to handle the logistics of it.
just some possibility but you "could" likely kill the snake which would probably be the easist kill and then use its teeth to rip open the sack? Which are probably quiet sharp
That is an argument against why it might not have been a thing. Some arguments used is that they put images of the animal in the sack instead. But in the siege of themyscira the tunneling to undermine the settlement was apparently interrupted by animals being herded into the tunnels as warfare. Including bears. So they did do crazy things with animals.
Yeah it seems like the emphasis is on the priest not the food in that one. Probably a way of controlling how far priests could travel as well. They would be encouraged to hang around in their own area and not wander off causing trouble.
The whole "throw the Monkey Sack into Water" was probably an addition after one or several criminals managed to break out of the Sack after killing the animals inside in the struggle. Basically a "Just for good measure" addition to make sure the criminal is actually dead.
I view myself as more than an upstanding citizen and really I'm an enforcer of the law. It's the Welshmans fault really, I was just protecting my people.
@@judechauhan6715 Two things, one, don't be a grammar nazi, that's just being a douche. Two, I'm merely telling a joke, don't get your English teabags in a twist. Sincerely, an Irishman!
Michigan. A woman shall not have a haircut without her father's or husband's permission. This law is largely ignored but on occasion it does get pulled up in court
In the world of Creative Assembly's forum Laws - post negative comment regarding their kiddy games and suffer the following - Banned from forum, Tied in sack with other critics & Trolls, thrown in the "Gold before Caring" River.
Fun fact about lightening in the ancient word if you were struck by lightning and survived you were seen to be so extremly favored by the gods so much so as to be chosen by them in such a miraculous manner, And thus you were extremly honored/revered by the ancient greeks (maybe rome too but idk?). The thoughts were that if Zues wanted you dead you'd be dead but since you lived you must super special.
I always wonder about the other great cities of the empire, everything about the Romans is the capital, what about Athens or Alexandria, or other large cities, what was the ration of roman citizens to foreigners in time? would love if u explore that topic
that whole burying the clippings was probably to protect their priests from certain magical means if my knowledge on the hermetic systems of the region are correct
Fun fact. Roman statesman and lawyer Cicero became famous after winning a trial defending a man accused of killing his father who would have been given the monkey sack punishment had Cicero lost the case.
Yep, the trial of Sextus Roscius. There is actually a pretty decent fictional detectivestyle novella of it. Written by Steven Saylor, called Roman blood, a case by Gordianus, a Roman detective story, one of a series called Roma Sub Rosa.
@@InvictaHistory Sounds good. Most of them were for very isolated situations and aren't enforced but still on the books. You can find many sites that list the wacky laws, but have to spend a bit more time to find the precise scenarios that led to them.
Bag: A-tier Rest: F-tier. The server is just to bugged so you can't win. Maybe they should create a bigger battlefield, arm the humans with weapons, nets, a gladius..... like an arena...... oh fuck.....
However it goes, it's cruelty to animals. Every animal involved - the human, the snake, the dog, AND the ape. And of all of them, only one animal (the human) would have done the crime said to warrant that punishment (and perhaps not even that by modern standards). As for the other animals, they would have been innocent, just going about their lives and some fool sweeps them into a sack with a human and tosses them into the water to die.
The boundary stone law sounds like the result of someone getting exasperated after trying to resolve one too many land disputes, with little more than hearsay on either side, and declaring "I've had it with this nonsense, the next one who shifts a boundary stone gets hung from it! If only someone bothered to make a map for this..."
@@Phelan666 You are correct, also most don't know that when a horse gets a serious injury- that's it, you kill it. You can not nurse a broken leg on a horse, it will repeatedly try to stand on it making the injuries worse.
Roman judge: so you speared your neighbor, was it a accident? You: nah I just did it for the kicks. Roman judge: Ah, Darnit.. OK, you can go home without paying a ram. 😉😂
One thing to note about the Paterfamilias. His power over the family was theoretically infinite, but social boundaries kept some of the more aggressive measures in check. It was legally permissible to kill your son or sell him into slavery or whatnot but if you did it without REALLY good reason you’d be screwed. One Roman politician got lynched for (kinda justifiably) killing his son without conducting an informal trial and considering a proper punishment, despite not legally needing to.
Poena cullei or penalty of the sack, involved a sack filled with the guilty and animals. The sack was made of ox leather and was thrown into a body of water. The guilty and animals did not drown. These sacks were airtight and commonly used to transport wine. The guilty most likely suffocated plus endured the discomfort of the animals.
I'm afraid that the 'law' about shooting a Welsh man is a myth for 2 reasons. Firstly, the rule wasn't a law but a wartime command issued by Henry IV during Owen Glendower's revolt which only extended to cover the period of revolt and not once peace/control had been reestablished. And secondly, because laws passed more recently take precedence over older laws.
"But I'm not a murder!" "Pff... ok, let's all pretend the spear left your hand and accidentally hit the guy ok? It doesn't matter, you have to pay retribution." "ok, but I'm not a murderer! Just want that to be very clear!" "yeah, yeah, sure"
I think it is just more a learned precaution - somewhere down the line, long before Rome was even a thing, people realized that the dead attract disease (this is part of the reason we have an aversion to corpses even when they are fresh, not yet rotted and are strangers). So it became standard to not have the dead buried where one lived. Considering people may forget or be stupid a precautionary law was put in place. Sort of like legalized folkloric stories with morals in them.
Man, such crazy and bizarre laws in ancient Rome. I didn't know that fathers have control over their children as they gotten older. I am familiar with the put him in the monkey sack dealing with people that are accused killing their families. Killing your father was like killing a god. So remember, honor thy parents. This is something, Invicta. Well done.
Rome: “Unlike these Barbarians we don’t practice human sacrifice.” Also Rome: **Sacrifices a grieving family for holding a funeral for a family member struck by lightning place**
it is quite gruesome to realize that the honored origin of our civilization sacrificed people that often, even babies were sacrificed until the Romans discovered what child sacrifice led to in other countries and stopped it
The multispecies "Doom sack" sounds like something that would be a bit hard to organize. A dog, and a rooster are animals you can get quite easily, but were do you get a venomous snake? Would they go and search for it, or was there a snake farm at hand for such occasions? And what about the monkey, there are no monkeys native to italy, would they keep monkeys for executions around, or buy them from a monkey owner? And what sort of monkey would they use, a small one or a very large monkey? And what would happen if the criminal got out of the sack and survived, would he go free or would they "sack" him again?
It’s important to note that the priest he talks about is the Flamen Dialis, which was an intentionally archaic position and not really desirable to ambitious romans. There were other priesthoods which were much less archaic and offered much greater practical power and authority than the Flamen dialis.
@Invicta I don't think you should consider sacrifice "intense" for that epoch. If you did jail time or some sort of penance that involved time then you could lose your crops or worse, so using overflow from your work to do penance was preferable. The notion of using time to do penance is only applicable now because now we have too many commodities and time so it is easier for most people to do time, I'm not saying its more lenient. I mean its much more different now for someone rich to pay a fine or for someone poor to do a few months rather than pay a fine, they aren't both the same or as fair as could be, but we do have a lot more freedom than they had back then, which is my point.
You should do this with ancient Greece, too. People need to know about rhaphanidosis. Also, I wonder what happens if you’re struck by lightning and survive.
There is a magic trick called "Monkey Sack" too: Once upon a time, a famous street magician was performing. Among the audience was a heckler. He kept revealing all the magic tricks so much so, magician was booed upon by the audience... Angered, he pulled a (potato) sack and shouted: "For my last and best magic trick, I will turn a man into a monkey!" The heckler have not heard of this magic trick and was silent, bewildered... The magician looking for a volunteer called out the heckler. "You sir will be my volunteer! Please go inside my magic sack!" Heckler sent inside the sack... "With my magic wand, I shall turn this man into a monkey!" and he waved his wand, tapped at the sack. "Is the monkey inside?" ask the magician. "No monkey here! I am still a man!" replied the heckler... "My wand must be out of power. assistant, get me the magic staff!" Assistant gave him a piece of wood, a 2x2 and he whacked hard at the sack. Heckler sure felt that. "Is the monkey inside?" "OUCH! WHATTHE! No monkey here! I am still a man!" shouted the heckler. "Assistant! Get me the mightiest wand backstage!" Assistant took a big piece of wood backstage, a barbed 4x4. Magician was pleased and with an evil grin whacked and whacked and whacked at the potato while shouting: "Turn into a Monkey! Turn into a Monkey! Turn into a Monkey! Turn into a Monkey!" Finally, getting it, the man shouted, "YES YES! I AM A MONKEY! I AM A MONKEY!" The crowd cheered!
Fun fact: Emperor Constantine revived the sack execution after it had fallen out of favor a few centuries previously, but he changed it so the only animals put into the sack with the criminal would be snakes. Later, Emperor Justinian reverted it back to the four animals.
In the light of rather strange laws existing nowadays where we do not really know why they exist but certainly not because those things were very common, I think we should be equally careful not to jump to the conclusion that things happened frequently in antiquity just because there were laws against it.
So the 4th time you were sold into slavery, you were free of him. But 1) was there temporary slavery or did you have to be bought back and 2) after the 4th time, were you free-free or just free from the laws of the patrerfamilious?
Have you guys thought about doing a rebuttal to that horrible history channel series called The Roman Empire? I think you guys would be doing the world a much needed service
The most ridiculous thing about the monkey sack punishment isn't that they thought of it, it's how they pulled it off. "Okay, so we managed to get the dog and the snake in the bag just fine, but as soon as we put the monkey in there they all started freaking out. It's taking all our stregnth to hold it shut so they don't kill us all, and I think the bag is tearing." "Okay, put the prisoner in." "What?! How?!" "Then sew it shut." "Do you not know how hard that'll be?!" "Then throw it in the ocean!" "...uh, will that be necessary? Oh no, there they go!"
I wonder if any ancient peoples ever played a dnd type game, imagining themselves out on a quest for a god and getting magical weapons and artifacts for their deeds.
It's important to keep in mind the Roman legal system assumed at base a familiar- clan system both to monitor & protect individuals. Heads of household were more responsible than "the state" to enforce the law. Imagine if it were socially expected in the US for parents to beat or imprison their own children if they violated local laws, rather than wait for the shame of others to interfere.
I always thought it was funny how in old Russia the punishments were simply to have the things done to the person, rather than stating they must be killed by X means. Sewn up into a sack with a snake, a spider, and a cat, (or some crazy list of critters) then thrown into a river. If the person survived, somehow, then they were square with the house and could come back to society. God obviously intended for them to survive the punishment, right? Superstition and mythology... The 12 tables say no grazing on another's field? That's just a specifically listed type of stealing. The way people seem to think any new creative way to take other people's stuff (Wolf of Wall Street...) doesn't just fall under the same law, as common sense would dictate. No stealing, in any form, and the law shouldn't have to specify the endless list of things that count as "taking stuff that doesn't belong to you without permission." No grazing on another's field may be agrarian, and "your rights stop where someone else's nose begins" may be Stone Age - but they're both universal enough for the Space Age IMO. It's when the law becomes a specific list of everything allowed, rather than a general list of what's not allowed, that injustice can run rampant. The law doesn't say government or people CAN'T do it - so they can. That's not how it's supposed to work... 3:17 I have a friend who would owe me for that - a machete flying by my face... More danger than I've been in with just a few minutes of melee than I've ever seen in decades of firearm use. Never had a negligent discharge, but I do think people who have them should be legally penalized for endangering the public. It's the same as reckless driving. People have a right to their vehicles (weapons), not the right to drive (attack) with them as they please. 0:27 That's the difference between the 2nd Amendment, and what some people THINK it is. Humans have a natural right to keep and bear arms - not the right to use them at will. Welsh people have their right to life, even after midnight in Chester. Murder and assault are still illegal, owning and carrying weapons is not. But who ever said government/law had The People's rights in mind? ruclips.net/video/lLlGc6x7vnk/видео.html "This is the story of your enslavement, how it came to be, and how you can finally be free. Like all animals human beings want to dominate and exploit the resources around them. At first we mostly hunted and fished and ate off the land. But then something magical and terrible happened to our minds. We became, alone among the animals, afraid of death and of future loss. And this was the start of a great tragedy, and even an great possibility. You see, when we become afraid of death, of injury and imprisonment, we become controllable and so valuable in way that no other resource could ever be. The greatest resource for any human being to control in not natural resources, or tools, or animals, or land, but other human beings. You can frighten an animal, because animals are afraid of pain in the moment, but you cannot frighten an animal with loss of liberty, with torture or imprisonment in the future, because animals have very little sense of tomorrow. You cannot threaten a cow with torture or a sheep with death. You cannot swing at a sword at a tree and scream at it to produce more fruit, or hold a burning torch to a field and demand more wheat. You cannot get more eggs by threatening a hen, but you can a man to give you his eggs by threatening him. This human farming has been the most profitable and destructive occupation throughout history, and it is now reaching its destructive climax. Human society cannot be rationally understood until it is seem for what it is, a series of farms where human farmers own human livestock. Some people get confused because governments provide healthcare and water and education and roads, and thus imagine that there is some benevolence at work. Nothing could be further from the reality. Farmers provide healthcare, and irrigation, and training to their livestock. Some people get confused because we are allowed certain liberties and thus imagine that our governments protect our freedoms. But farmers plant crops further apart to increase their yields, and will allow certain animals larger stalls and fields if it means they produce more meat and milk. In your country, your tax farm, your farmer grants you certain freedoms. Not because he cares about your liberties, but because it he wants to increase his profits. Are you beginning to see the nature of the cage you were born into?"
I disagree about the nails. There's a very common principle in magical thinking, called the law of contagion. What it basicaly refers to, is that once objects come into contact, a permanent link is established between them. According to this law, clothing of saints, or their body parts, still contain some sort of magical power. Or you can curse someone using their hair or nails (woodoo pupets and such). You can witness this last believe even today, on Fiji for example. People there burn their cliped-off nails and hair so none could get it and curse them.
Your comment about plowing up a boundary stone being more strongly punished than murder reads to me as if we're talking about stone indicating the pomerian..., not a boundary stone between two farmers fields or something.
I guess the murder of a family member was not that common, or they would have to use up a lot of monkeys, and i guess these were not that cheap since they had to be imported.
The main thing I am confused by, is were apes common around Rome? I feel like getting a monkey, or keeping a supply of them around, would be a prohibitively expensive way to punish people back then. Would they just substitute the ape for something else most of the time?
the no sending surprise pizzas law sounds very specific. Though it is a type of harassment and there a documented instances of it happening so doesn't seem like a silly law exactly.
Hey Invicta, just curious here mate But have you seen the show Plebs? I know it not meant as a historically accurate show, but its just so damn fun and witty and charming in it own right, and having it set in ancient Rome quite honestly, was such a genius decision. 😁
As a Welshman who visits Chester I will now feel the need to look constantly over my shoulder
Atleast you have to be within the walls at midnight... Imagine how it must be for a scot in york... (It is legal to shoot a scotsman with a bow and arrow within the town of york Except on sundays)
Although these laws (the Welshmen and Scotsman ones) are still "on the books" insofar as they were never individually repealed, later legislation takes priority over them: namely, modern murder and manslaughter laws.
You should take a look at some of the old blue laws in the midwest. Dear Lord, I remember hearing one that it was legal to maim a Mormon in Missouri during Easter and Christmas. Super worried how that one came about.
Alas, it looks like this oddly specific law was never actually a thing: www.cheshire-live.co.uk/whats-on/no-you-cant-you-shoot-16302109
Cool. That was the whole purpose of the video.
"Boy! This guy wants to buy you. How many times have I sold you into slavery so far?"
"Two, Dad."
"Ok, I'll sell."
"Ha haa! It was actually three times! I win my freedom!"
Lol
Temporary slavery was common as punishment.
Let's say your stupid son breaks something from a neighbor, you give him to neighbor a salve until is debt is paid.
Or if he rapes a good girl, if you can't pay the fine or the families agree on a marriage, than slavery it is.
Or if you do something bad and you use your son to pay for it.
But no more than 3 times.
@@joselaw6669 absolutely no it isn't. Atleast not under mordern standards.....under Roman standards though....you are correct.
@@victorviereck4117 This video is litterally about ancient rome, what standards do you think he is talking about lmao
Roman emancipation.
In the Roman justice system, the people are represented by two separate but equally important groups: The cohortes urbanae who investigate crime, and the jurisconsults who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories. DUN DUN
(I know what I chose probably isn't accurate. Just did a quick Google search for police and attorneys in ancient Rome)
So you're kind of right. The Cohortes Urbane were sort of a police force, but they were more like riot cops/thugs than detectives, more concerned with maintenance of public order than actually arresting anyone, if you committed an offense they would usually just beat you unconscious or chase you off. . If somebody committed an offense against you it was up to you to either personally investigate or pay for an investigation by a "private detective", until you had enough evidence to bring it before a court. Jurisconsuls were private citizens, who you could pay to either prosecute an offense or defend you from a prosecution. Many jurisconsuls might well have freemen in their employ who they could use as private detectives, and who would go around using a combination of bribery and violence to gather evidence. A prosecuting or defending citizen could also compel other men to give testimony under oath under certain circumstances. This is just from memory and if Im wrong anyone feel free to correct me.
Roman law is actually pretty cool in how its simultaneously really similar to our modern law, but totally different in execution.
@@darthrex354 yeah I had a feeling I was sort of right but also wrong. Was kind of in a hurry so I could comment before a bunch of people lol.
@@darthrex354 i know basically nothing about latin, but i'm pretty sure that "cohortes urbanae" translates into something close to "city soldier"
Going off on a tangent... A murder mystery show set in ancient Rome would be dope.
LOL! Excellent!
What about if you got lucky and survived the lightening strike and then passed a virgin, but you were also a priest and you fell at that exact moment and tied a corner of your robe while slipping underneath the litter and then cutting some of your hair on a sharp rock. I’m sure its happened before
Woah... haha Roman heads would explode lol
I did the exact same thing and now I'm a celebrity!
"and tied a corner of your robe while slipping underneath the litter". That's the only impossible part.
XD
I can imagine that being in some Roman comedy play
It's not actually a ridiculous law in itself, but in my country (Norway) it was possible in the 15th and 16th centuries to be found guilty of "plate-throwing". It was an umbrella term for vandalism in general, and I always found this oddly specific name for it amusing.
Depends on the plates involved. If they are something like a type of roofing tiles then it is very reasonable.
That would be an easy way for the Greek government to imprison half it's population
This law was implemented after the dwarves visited Mister Baggins in his traditional grass covered, sunk hut, or in their more known name, hobbit house.
@@MorbidEel it wasn't. The word used in Norwegian "tallerken", corresponds directly to the sort of "plates" that one eats food on.
How does one go about sewing a sack full of animals all fighting for their lives? How big is this sack? What order are they put in? How long does it take to sew shut? Were they typically dead before the final drowning? How long did you have to wait for an ape to be brought in?
This seems like a nightmare of a punishment for those who have to handle the logistics of it.
just some possibility but you "could" likely kill the snake which would probably be the easist kill and then use its teeth to rip open the sack? Which are probably quiet sharp
That is an argument against why it might not have been a thing. Some arguments used is that they put images of the animal in the sack instead. But in the siege of themyscira the tunneling to undermine the settlement was apparently interrupted by animals being herded into the tunnels as warfare. Including bears. So they did do crazy things with animals.
I think the rule that forbids priests to sit next to tables without food is intended to make them sit less, not eat more.
Ok
Wow, would not have thought of that.
What if they wanted to write or keep records?
Or does having snack bowl at table counts?
Yeah it seems like the emphasis is on the priest not the food in that one.
Probably a way of controlling how far priests could travel as well. They would be encouraged to hang around in their own area and not wander off causing trouble.
No doubt it worked about as good as prohibition.
*Accidentaly spears neighbor*
Me: Gods be damned I did it again
Tyler De Perio Get the ram 🐏
Nobody ever has enough RAM....
It would be fun to have an Ace Attorney-like game in the Roman Empire with the actual laws from that time.
Aceus Attorneyus
Well, we already have Ace Attorney Witch Trial, even if it is Isekai moment (though spoiler for the plot twist even if you know it).
Acc Attornato
Looks like I'm going to England boys
This channel is amazing. I dont even think the creator itself knows how incredible his stuff is.
821k subscribed he may have an idea by now..
Rhys Williams tons of those subscribers come from when the channel was dedicated to gaming. I agree I love the content though
The whole "throw the Monkey Sack into Water" was probably an addition after one or several criminals managed to break out of the Sack after killing the animals inside in the struggle.
Basically a "Just for good measure" addition to make sure the criminal is actually dead.
1:15 ish
"meet the romans"
Picture of a spartan*
Doubt that can even be called a Spartan
@@loganfox2386 yeah what the guy was wearing was not very accurate
Wasn't there a parody called Meet the Spartans? Is this the long awaited sequel?
I view myself as more than an upstanding citizen and really I'm an enforcer of the law. It's the Welshmans fault really, I was just protecting my people.
The law states that you are "permitted" to do it, not "expected".
@@MizantropMan damn Welshmen skulking around at night with no vowels, t'aint natural.
Jude Chauhan Your just jealous the Welsh did the longbow first ;)
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 you're*
@@judechauhan6715 Two things, one, don't be a grammar nazi, that's just being a douche. Two, I'm merely telling a joke, don't get your English teabags in a twist. Sincerely, an Irishman!
*Roman law against kinslaying*
Scheming Roman relatives: "We'll ignore that one."
Livia: how 'bout I do anyway?
Inheritance here I come!
Out of curiosity, what are some of the craziest laws you've heard of in your area of the world?
albania
You can't have ice cream in your back pocket on Sundays, this has to do with a well known technicality involving agrarian laws
You can not eat chicken with a fork in Gainesville (Georgia)
Michigan. A woman shall not have a haircut without her father's or husband's permission. This law is largely ignored but on occasion it does get pulled up in court
In the world of Creative Assembly's forum Laws - post negative comment regarding their kiddy games and suffer the following - Banned from forum, Tied in sack with other critics & Trolls, thrown in the "Gold before Caring" River.
Fun fact about lightening in the ancient word if you were struck by lightning and survived you were seen to be so extremly favored by the gods so much so as to be chosen by them in such a miraculous manner, And thus you were extremly honored/revered by the ancient greeks (maybe rome too but idk?). The thoughts were that if Zues wanted you dead you'd be dead but since you lived you must super special.
7:50 About to be sold into slavery by their father, feeling sad.
Guy next to him: "First time?"
I love the down to earth nature of this video's commentary. Please do it like this more.
I always wonder about the other great cities of the empire, everything about the Romans is the capital, what about Athens or Alexandria, or other large cities, what was the ration of roman citizens to foreigners in time? would love if u explore that topic
All I know is that after 212 ad all free inhabitants of the roman empire recieved full roman citizenship
that whole burying the clippings was probably to protect their priests from certain magical means if my knowledge on the hermetic systems of the region are correct
And the bronze knife avoids the risk of tetanus from a rusty iron blade.
Jamie, pull up the scroll on apes.
Fun fact. Roman statesman and lawyer Cicero became famous after winning a trial defending a man accused of killing his father who would have been given the monkey sack punishment had Cicero lost the case.
Yep, the trial of Sextus Roscius. There is actually a pretty decent fictional detectivestyle novella of it.
Written by Steven Saylor, called Roman blood, a case by Gordianus, a Roman detective story, one of a series called Roma Sub Rosa.
Also i freaking love this channel. You answer all the questions i never knew i wanted to ask
And just by coincidence, the lawmakers were pet store owners with government contracts.
Geniuous
In South Bend, Indiana it's unlawful to make a monkey smoke a cigarette or for a barber to threaten to cut someone's ears off.
hahaha wow there are so many of these that I want a whole show dedicated to the stories behind them
@@InvictaHistory Sounds good. Most of them were for very isolated situations and aren't enforced but still on the books.
You can find many sites that list the wacky laws, but have to spend a bit more time to find the precise scenarios that led to them.
I want to know how a fight between a man, an ape, a rooster, a dog and a venomous snake would go @tierzoo
Bag: A-tier
Rest: F-tier.
The server is just to bugged so you can't win.
Maybe they should create a bigger battlefield, arm the humans with weapons, nets, a gladius..... like an arena...... oh fuck.....
However it goes, it's cruelty to animals. Every animal involved - the human, the snake, the dog, AND the ape. And of all of them, only one animal (the human) would have done the crime said to warrant that punishment (and perhaps not even that by modern standards). As for the other animals, they would have been innocent, just going about their lives and some fool sweeps them into a sack with a human and tosses them into the water to die.
@@lsmmoore1 you must be great at parties.
11:09 What happened to Romans who were struck by lighting and lived?
As a Welshman who lives near Chester I feel the need to emphasise that shooting a Welshman within the walls of Chester is now illegal. Thank you ;)
My city has been mentioned, shame I've misplaced my longbow 😔
The boundary stone law sounds like the result of someone getting exasperated after trying to resolve one too many land disputes, with little more than hearsay on either side, and declaring "I've had it with this nonsense, the next one who shifts a boundary stone gets hung from it! If only someone bothered to make a map for this..."
Horse speed limit isn't crazy. It's to prevent injuring the animal.
I heard that specific law was actually to prevent people from horse racing. I'm sure horses can handle going over 10 mph.
@@InvictaHistory Racing horses get injured all the time in professional settings.
@@Phelan666 You are correct, also most don't know that when a horse gets a serious injury- that's it, you kill it. You can not nurse a broken leg on a horse, it will repeatedly try to stand on it making the injuries worse.
just discovered your channel with this video... I have to say i love it, and am looking forward to binging on your back catalog of videos.
Now THIS is the reason I'm subscribed to this channel. Also, part of me wants to go break some of those wildly obscure laws out there, just for kicks.
Roman judge: so you speared your neighbor, was it a accident?
You: nah I just did it for the kicks.
Roman judge: Ah, Darnit.. OK, you can go home without paying a ram.
😉😂
One thing to note about the Paterfamilias. His power over the family was theoretically infinite, but social boundaries kept some of the more aggressive measures in check. It was legally permissible to kill your son or sell him into slavery or whatnot but if you did it without REALLY good reason you’d be screwed. One Roman politician got lynched for (kinda justifiably) killing his son without conducting an informal trial and considering a proper punishment, despite not legally needing to.
AS A ROME FANATIC I FIND THESE VIDEOS VERY INTERESTING
I enjoyed the humorous energy in this video XD
Poena cullei or penalty of the sack, involved a sack filled with the guilty and animals. The sack was made of ox leather and was thrown into a body of water. The guilty and animals did not drown. These sacks were airtight and commonly used to transport wine. The guilty most likely suffocated plus endured the discomfort of the animals.
Arizona not only forbids your pack animal from sleeping in the tub, but it's illegal to shoot a camel....
Now I know why a bowl with candy, nuts, or fruit is commonly used as a center piece. It's so a priest can sit at that table.
I'm afraid that the 'law' about shooting a Welsh man is a myth for 2 reasons. Firstly, the rule wasn't a law but a wartime command issued by Henry IV during Owen Glendower's revolt which only extended to cover the period of revolt and not once peace/control had been reestablished. And secondly, because laws passed more recently take precedence over older laws.
A miscellaneous Human *Owain Glyndwr
@@rhystakel796Owen Glendower is the anglicised form of Owain Glyndwr
@@amiscellaneoushuman3516 ik, and thats the spelling many people get taught, but its not an english name and shouldn't get replaced in favour of one
"But I'm not a murder!"
"Pff... ok, let's all pretend the spear left your hand and accidentally hit the guy ok? It doesn't matter, you have to pay retribution."
"ok, but I'm not a murderer! Just want that to be very clear!"
"yeah, yeah, sure"
Nope, I have to get a bow and arrow, wait till midnight and ask Are you a Welshman?
Rich passing laws for the rest of us that they just flaunt. Things never change.
00:28 "...it is still technically OK to shoot a Welshman on a Sunday inside the city walls - as long as it's after midnight and with a crossbow.." 😂
Yeah? Try explaining that in court.
We just gonna ignore the fact that the Romans had to make it illegal to bury a body within the city to stop people from doing it?
Yet they had some huge catacombs right underneath, people can be lazy even when it comes to their dead
I think it is just more a learned precaution - somewhere down the line, long before Rome was even a thing, people realized that the dead attract disease (this is part of the reason we have an aversion to corpses even when they are fresh, not yet rotted and are strangers). So it became standard to not have the dead buried where one lived. Considering people may forget or be stupid a precautionary law was put in place. Sort of like legalized folkloric stories with morals in them.
Man, such crazy and bizarre laws in ancient Rome. I didn't know that fathers have control over their children as they gotten older. I am familiar with the put him in the monkey sack dealing with people that are accused killing their families. Killing your father was like killing a god. So remember, honor thy parents. This is something, Invicta. Well done.
Rome: “Unlike these Barbarians we don’t practice human sacrifice.”
Also Rome: **Sacrifices a grieving family for holding a funeral for a family member struck by lightning place**
it is quite gruesome to realize that the honored origin of our civilization sacrificed people that often, even babies were sacrificed until the Romans discovered what child sacrifice led to in other countries and stopped it
Watching the entire video like "Get to the MUCKIN FONKEY SACK"!!!
The multispecies "Doom sack" sounds like something that would be a bit hard to organize. A dog, and a rooster are animals you can get quite easily, but were do you get a venomous snake? Would they go and search for it, or was there a snake farm at hand for such occasions? And what about the monkey, there are no monkeys native to italy, would they keep monkeys for executions around, or buy them from a monkey owner? And what sort of monkey would they use, a small one or a very large monkey? And what would happen if the criminal got out of the sack and survived, would he go free or would they "sack" him again?
It’s important to note that the priest he talks about is the Flamen Dialis, which was an intentionally archaic position and not really desirable to ambitious romans. There were other priesthoods which were much less archaic and offered much greater practical power and authority than the Flamen dialis.
Doing my own personal research, I found out that it was actually a FREE man that the priests had to get a haircut from, not Slaves.
@Invicta I don't think you should consider sacrifice "intense" for that epoch.
If you did jail time or some sort of penance that involved time then you could lose your crops or worse, so using overflow from your work to do penance was preferable.
The notion of using time to do penance is only applicable now because now we have too many commodities and time so it is easier for most people to do time, I'm not saying its more lenient.
I mean its much more different now for someone rich to pay a fine or for someone poor to do a few months rather than pay a fine, they aren't both the same or as fair as could be, but we do have a lot more freedom than they had back then, which is my point.
You should do this with ancient Greece, too. People need to know about rhaphanidosis.
Also, I wonder what happens if you’re struck by lightning and survive.
There is a magic trick called "Monkey Sack" too:
Once upon a time, a famous street magician was performing. Among the audience was a heckler. He kept revealing all the magic tricks so much so, magician was booed upon by the audience... Angered, he pulled a (potato) sack and shouted: "For my last and best magic trick, I will turn a man into a monkey!"
The heckler have not heard of this magic trick and was silent, bewildered... The magician looking for a volunteer called out the heckler. "You sir will be my volunteer! Please go inside my magic sack!"
Heckler sent inside the sack...
"With my magic wand, I shall turn this man into a monkey!" and he waved his wand, tapped at the sack.
"Is the monkey inside?" ask the magician.
"No monkey here! I am still a man!" replied the heckler...
"My wand must be out of power. assistant, get me the magic staff!" Assistant gave him a piece of wood, a 2x2 and he whacked hard at the sack. Heckler sure felt that.
"Is the monkey inside?"
"OUCH! WHATTHE! No monkey here! I am still a man!" shouted the heckler.
"Assistant! Get me the mightiest wand backstage!"
Assistant took a big piece of wood backstage, a barbed 4x4. Magician was pleased and with an evil grin whacked and whacked and whacked at the potato while shouting: "Turn into a Monkey! Turn into a Monkey! Turn into a Monkey! Turn into a Monkey!"
Finally, getting it, the man shouted, "YES YES! I AM A MONKEY! I AM A MONKEY!"
The crowd cheered!
Muhahahaaa😂😂👍 great story, thx for sharing😅🤣
Fun fact: Emperor Constantine revived the sack execution after it had fallen out of favor a few centuries previously, but he changed it so the only animals put into the sack with the criminal would be snakes. Later, Emperor Justinian reverted it back to the four animals.
In the light of rather strange laws existing nowadays where we do not really know why they exist but certainly not because those things were very common, I think we should be equally careful not to jump to the conclusion that things happened frequently in antiquity just because there were laws against it.
I guess the harsh penality for killing a close relative did not extend to a father killing his wife or children!
Now this, THIS is a good time to upload!
So the 4th time you were sold into slavery, you were free of him. But 1) was there temporary slavery or did you have to be bought back and 2) after the 4th time, were you free-free or just free from the laws of the patrerfamilious?
Have you guys thought about doing a rebuttal to that horrible history channel series called The Roman Empire? I think you guys would be doing the world a much needed service
If Ancient Rome is not a proof that cruel punishments do not act as a deterrent, I don’t know what is.
How does Magellan TV compare to the Curiosity Channel?
The most ridiculous thing about the monkey sack punishment isn't that they thought of it, it's how they pulled it off.
"Okay, so we managed to get the dog and the snake in the bag just fine, but as soon as we put the monkey in there they all started freaking out. It's taking all our stregnth to hold it shut so they don't kill us all, and I think the bag is tearing."
"Okay, put the prisoner in."
"What?! How?!"
"Then sew it shut."
"Do you not know how hard that'll be?!"
"Then throw it in the ocean!"
"...uh, will that be necessary? Oh no, there they go!"
Wow, must of been complicated to find all those monkeys
Maybe Netflix will make a series called Law&Order Ancient Rome
Last time I was this early, I had to serve time.
And yes I make this joke every time.
u release a lot of rome 2gameplay, so i wondered, do u play imperator rome? and if so, do u like it?
keep on ur nice work, love ur channel :)
It's funny. I actually heard about this form of punishment from one of Carlins last comedy specials before his death.
I wonder if any ancient peoples ever played a dnd type game, imagining themselves out on a quest for a god and getting magical weapons and artifacts for their deeds.
It's important to keep in mind the Roman legal system assumed at base a familiar- clan system both to monitor & protect individuals. Heads of household were more responsible than "the state" to enforce the law. Imagine if it were socially expected in the US for parents to beat or imprison their own children if they violated local laws, rather than wait for the shame of others to interfere.
Could the knot rule have something to do with the gordian knot?
I always thought it was funny how in old Russia the punishments were simply to have the things done to the person, rather than stating they must be killed by X means. Sewn up into a sack with a snake, a spider, and a cat, (or some crazy list of critters) then thrown into a river. If the person survived, somehow, then they were square with the house and could come back to society. God obviously intended for them to survive the punishment, right? Superstition and mythology...
The 12 tables say no grazing on another's field? That's just a specifically listed type of stealing. The way people seem to think any new creative way to take other people's stuff (Wolf of Wall Street...) doesn't just fall under the same law, as common sense would dictate. No stealing, in any form, and the law shouldn't have to specify the endless list of things that count as "taking stuff that doesn't belong to you without permission." No grazing on another's field may be agrarian, and "your rights stop where someone else's nose begins" may be Stone Age - but they're both universal enough for the Space Age IMO. It's when the law becomes a specific list of everything allowed, rather than a general list of what's not allowed, that injustice can run rampant. The law doesn't say government or people CAN'T do it - so they can. That's not how it's supposed to work...
3:17 I have a friend who would owe me for that - a machete flying by my face... More danger than I've been in with just a few minutes of melee than I've ever seen in decades of firearm use. Never had a negligent discharge, but I do think people who have them should be legally penalized for endangering the public. It's the same as reckless driving. People have a right to their vehicles (weapons), not the right to drive (attack) with them as they please.
0:27 That's the difference between the 2nd Amendment, and what some people THINK it is. Humans have a natural right to keep and bear arms - not the right to use them at will. Welsh people have their right to life, even after midnight in Chester. Murder and assault are still illegal, owning and carrying weapons is not. But who ever said government/law had The People's rights in mind?
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"This is the story of your enslavement, how it came to be, and how you can finally be free.
Like all animals human beings want to dominate and exploit the resources around them. At first we mostly hunted and fished and ate off the land. But then something magical and terrible happened to our minds. We became, alone among the animals, afraid of death and of future loss. And this was the start of a great tragedy, and even an great possibility. You see, when we become afraid of death, of injury and imprisonment, we become controllable and so valuable in way that no other resource could ever be. The greatest resource for any human being to control in not natural resources, or tools, or animals, or land, but other human beings. You can frighten an animal, because animals are afraid of pain in the moment, but you cannot frighten an animal with loss of liberty, with torture or imprisonment in the future, because animals have very little sense of tomorrow. You cannot threaten a cow with torture or a sheep with death. You cannot swing at a sword at a tree and scream at it to produce more fruit, or hold a burning torch to a field and demand more wheat. You cannot get more eggs by threatening a hen, but you can a man to give you his eggs by threatening him. This human farming has been the most profitable and destructive occupation throughout history, and it is now reaching its destructive climax. Human society cannot be rationally understood until it is seem for what it is, a series of farms where human farmers own human livestock.
Some people get confused because governments provide healthcare and water and education and roads, and thus imagine that there is some benevolence at work. Nothing could be further from the reality. Farmers provide healthcare, and irrigation, and training to their livestock. Some people get confused because we are allowed certain liberties and thus imagine that our governments protect our freedoms. But farmers plant crops further apart to increase their yields, and will allow certain animals larger stalls and fields if it means they produce more meat and milk. In your country, your tax farm, your farmer grants you certain freedoms. Not because he cares about your liberties, but because it he wants to increase his profits. Are you beginning to see the nature of the cage you were born into?"
tnx
I wonder if and how outdated laws can be removed from the books?
i think that the spear law is to prevent people from accusing hunters of trying to kill them.
I disagree about the nails. There's a very common principle in magical thinking, called the law of contagion. What it basicaly refers to, is that once objects come into contact, a permanent link is established between them. According to this law, clothing of saints, or their body parts, still contain some sort of magical power. Or you can curse someone using their hair or nails (woodoo pupets and such). You can witness this last believe even today, on Fiji for example. People there burn their cliped-off nails and hair so none could get it and curse them.
Can You make a documentary about the Barkochba Revolt ?
I think the surprise pizza law might actually have a real purpose behind it.
Your comment about plowing up a boundary stone being more strongly punished than murder reads to me as if we're talking about stone indicating the pomerian..., not a boundary stone between two farmers fields or something.
I guess the murder of a family member was not that common, or they would have to use up a lot of monkeys, and i guess these were not that cheap since they had to be imported.
3:15
Can't tell if that misspelling of "accidental" was intentional, or accidental...
Grammar Nazi: Misspelling? No *LIKE* for you!
Do more laws please!
I misread it as money sack punishment hahaha
most of the laws mentioned in the beginning makes sense when you think about it including the old law in Chester
How come?
Pro et Invicta.. Enjoy the show.
The welsh better be looking out for me
6:38 IDK seems like a perfectly appropriate punishment for ancient upskirt scumbags.
Hair and nails buried in secret places was probably to protect the priest of being defiled by a curse.
Gods, I loved Niobe. Such an unfortunate set of events.
Loved the narration
2:06 so what show is that scene from?
The main thing I am confused by, is were apes common around Rome? I feel like getting a monkey, or keeping a supply of them around, would be a prohibitively expensive way to punish people back then. Would they just substitute the ape for something else most of the time?
Yeah I assume that there was a lot of substitutions going on. Like maybe just a small statue of a monkey was used.
That venomous snake killed everything inside long before they were thrown into the river and certainly before that sack was completed.
the no sending surprise pizzas law sounds very specific. Though it is a type of harassment and there a documented instances of it happening so doesn't seem like a silly law exactly.
I'm glad they didn't also set the sack on fire. It would've been overkill. s/
That poena cullei execution is some weird shit.
Hey Invicta, just curious here mate
But have you seen the show Plebs?
I know it not meant as a historically accurate show, but its just so damn fun and witty and charming in it own right, and having it set in ancient Rome quite honestly, was such a genius decision. 😁
The question about Roman Priests not being allowed to sit at a table without food... maybe he was supposed to bring food with him? 🤔
*"THROW HIS ASS IN THE MONKEY BAG!"*