My top 5 would include the Middle Earth CCG (which had original art by various renowned Tolkien illustrators), the BattleTech CCG, the original Netrunner CCG, Vampire: The Eternal Struggle, and the Dune CCG. Ironically, I rate all of these games higher than Magic the Gathering and yet I probably spent more time playing it than all the other five combined.
Great idea for a video, Zee. The Nightmare Before XMas is also my favorite dead CCG, I collected the heck out of that and its expansion and wish there were more of it.
No Middle-Earth CCG?! Best card game ever designed?! No 7th Sea?! No Dune CCG?! No Warlord?! I know Decipher's Star Wars and V:TES were a bit more mainstream to go here but I'm surprised not seeing those I've mentioned being referenced.
He said he wasn't focusing on more well known ones. I think those are well known and were somewhat popular at their time. I loved METW (have multiples of every card) and 7th Sea.
In no particular order my top 5 are: Mythos ccg Vampire: The Eternal Struggle Dark eden ccg Rage ccg Shadowrun tcg And one bonus: Arcadia The Wyld Hunt CCG :)
1. Lord of the Rings - my favorite all time and has one of the greatest balancing mechanics that I've ever seen in a game with the twilight pool. Good guys pay card costs by putting tokens in the center of the table, and bad guys pay card costs by removing tokens. You can play lots of powerful cards to the Fellowship but it just means the Shadow player had more to work with. 2. Vampire The Eternal Struggle - The first few times my cousin showed us this I didn't take to it. I revisited it with him a few years later and played as Ventrue and realized how much I loved the politics and diplomacy involved. Amazing negotiation and psuedo-team work for a CCG. Also, if someone died it made the person killing them stronger, so you would try to keep other players alive until you knew you could deliver killing blows. 3. Star Trek CCG - Even after it got bloated by expansions and power creep, the deck building and side decks and lore alone keep me going, but it is the dilemma pile mechanic that I always look at fondly. Before the game starts you put card combos under your opponents missions to slow them down. It's an extra deck building step that I love. 4. Anachronism - 100% in agreement here. I have so many cards and love building "decks" all the time. Tom gives you too much grief for this game. I just wish more people played it around here... 5. .hack//enemy - I knew nothing about the license before the game came out (still don't) but my brother was a promoter for Decipher so we got cards and decks to demo. We ended up getting quite a bit ourselves. It's a lot of fun and really simple, but enough decisions in deck building (with elements, character classes and Destiny - one of the best CCG mechanics designed and reused from Deciphers Star Wars and later WARS) and decisions in gameplay (storable monsters and character/item level up). It's tough to say with a straight face that the first three are "underappreciated" but honestly all five deserve recognition and new players in my opinion.
Star Trek TNG CCG is my all time favorite. It was the first card game I committed to and loved how the game captured the spirit of the show. Seeding dilemmas, crewing a ship and moving to locations and attempting missions - loved everything. yes, there was bloat over time but I stuck with it. Still have all my cards and hope some day to get my kids into it.
I was wondering if Hecatomb was going to make an appearance! I really miss the old, original Rage CCG. Decipher's Star Wars was also pretty strong, despite a bit of an issue with failure spirals that were difficult to recover from.
I was hoping to see Anachronism on here. Back in high school I had an AP history teacher do an Anachronism tournament at the end of each year in the class he taught. I have had an affinity towards the game ever since.
I love seeing Hecatomb get mentioned. A buddy and I got a core set and the two expansions off of ebay and split them up. It's a lot of fun, especially if you are a horror fan.
Even though I have absolutely no ties to the theme, I found the EVE CCG about 6 months ago, and I'm really surprised at how well it holds up. It gives me a feel similar to that old Star Trek: Conquest game for the PC, where you have your base, and your opponent has theirs, and there's this big neutral area of planets to explore and control. It's all done with cards in a very streamlined way, as far as CCGs go.
I would like to see succinct tutorial videos for old CCGs. The rules seem interesting, but there are no tutorials anywhere on youtube; just unboxing and sometimes reviews.
My list would include Babylon 5, Shadowfist (still being played around the world), Vampire: the Eternal Struggle, Mythos* and Galactic Empires (just for the sheer madness of it) *) At least after they fixed the distribution so that if your booster pack had an adventure card then it would also have cards you needed to play it)
My favorite dead CCGs Dune CCG - Especially the Core set, Eye of the Storm Beautiful artwork, incredible mechanics. Almost impossible to get a complete set nowadays, never mind the other two released sets Judge of the change, Thunder at twilight Middle Earth collectible Card Game - I have many fond memories of this one. Played many, many games of this one have almost all the expansions completed and played them all, Wizards, Lidless Eye, Dragons, Against the Shadow, Dark minions (not completed missing), White Hand (Never liked it much) Balrogs. Beautiful artwork, exceptional immersion value and game mechanics. Battletech - Never owned much more than a couple of starters played with friends cards, remember having lots of fun, but the game was dead already and the cards were really expensive, still a great game from what I remember. Not five, because I tend to stay with the same games(Board and card games alike) for years and years, and the other card game I play is still very much alive, and is technically not a CCG, but a LCG Android Netrunner Fantastic (stopped buying expansions about a year ago....Getting too big of a card pool). Btw Dark Age does have phenomenal art, thank you for sharing!
Great top 5 Zee! My Top 3 are: 1. WoW TCG, originally by UDE, then after it got abandoned and forgotten due to YGO (Which they lost the rights to publish anyway) Cryptozoic carried the torch. But alas it's already too little too late. The raid decks captured the feel of the in-game raids quite faithfully, the heroes / classes feels balanced, the full art cards and "crafting" (redeemable materials that we can get inside boosters) are just incredibly flavorful and awesome for a TCG / CCG. 2. VS System by UDE. Even though there's a 2 PCG (2 player card game) version, a new variant created by UDE as a form of LCG. The original TCG was one of the best, most balanced and engaging Marvel / DC (and even Dark Horse comics with Hellboy) card game ever. With great resource system that eliminates land screws, totally awesome team up mechanics, incredibly original, flavorful, unique mechanics for each teams (factions). But since UDE was too busy with YGO, and they also got their hands full with WoW TCG, VS Systems' game balance and popularity went down the drain. 3. Duel Masters by WotC. Okay it's not entirely dead, we'll get back to that later. When most people know DM as a TCG that borrows a lot from its older brother (MtG), originally it was a manga created by Shigenobu Matsumoto about MtG. But since it touches more on the legacy and other vintage format aspects of the game (including highlander, vanguard, etc) before the cool awesome era of EDH / Commander, the series wasn't quite popular (or successful) as everyone hoped. So it stopped telling the story about MtG just when Shoubu Kirifuda was about to face Hakuoh in a grand final battle and started introducing the "true" ultimate TCG, DM. DM fixed a lot of MtG's problems such as land screw, and even though the TCG was dead in the states (no, Kaijudo is just a horrible effort in trying to resurrect the game), it's still going quite strong in its homeland, Japan.
I'va always been a fan of Illuminati since it first game out. It was re-released at one point in a box set that was more of a deck builder type thing, but the original game was a full TCG complete with blind boosters and deck customization. I still have one deck of ever faction built and we break them out from time to time just for the heck of it. Another underrated TCG that is still fun every now and then is the Star Trek TCG. The games took far too long in the original rules and it turned off a lot of players. Things have been revamped and the game plays much more smoothly and quickly now, but unfortunately due to it having been out of print for so long, getting your hands on the actual cards to play can be fairly difficult. On a positive note, the entire collection of cards are available online for free so you can print and play whatever or use one of the many online gaming services to play that way.
Some of my favorite lesser known ccgs include (for very different reasons - game play, theme, art work, etc.): Illuminati, Mythos, Quest for the Grail, Wyvern, MLB Showdown, and Tempest of the Gods.
Great video. Perhaps my favorite older ccg was warhamer 40000 by Sabretooth Games. I bought some starter decks back in the day, and thought it was okay, but then found some really cheap starters and booster at my local game store and a booster box at origins for something like 20 dollars, and that was when I really started building some really amazing decks.
I'd give my top five as Warhammer Champions, Netrunner, Dragoborne, Final War, and The Terminator, and a special mention for Highlander. Still have all of my cards for these games and love breaking them out whenever possible.
My favorite dead TCG has to be World of Warcraft TCG. Best resource management I have ever seen in a TCG, awesome deck customization and it had some of the best cards I have ever seen, like Leeroy Jenkins which you had to shout "LEEEEEEEEEEROY JENKINS!!" to activate his ability. And the Raid Decks were the best ones ever.
My personal favorite is Middle Earth. Started collecting the cards when it first came out and I was just a teenager. Rules were a bit too hard for me then, but the art was so beautiful and I was a huge fan of Tolkien's books. Lately, I've started playing this solo again and man... The game is so versatile and rich. Even decades later it doesn't feel dated.
I had a collection for a long time and their big blunder was not having a starter set with the map. Using the card stack to do movement with the little regions in the rule book was THE WORST. But with the map you just look at the route and see the possible hazards. It was like a different game and is still one of the best.
My favorites are Kaijudo/Duel Masters, kinda of the same game but Kaijudo had some updates over DM. Cool list though! I had only heard about Hectatomb and Nightmare Before Christmas.
Wow! Great topic and video. Only one did I have experience with and I'm going to have to check some of this out. My tops are/were: Wildstorms, Decipher Star Wars and Star Trek, Warhammer War Cry, Middle-earth and Overpower. I also wanted Redakai to be better because the overlaying of clear cards seams really cool but the game just wasn't well enough tested and balanced.
digimon did the back and forth way better,each turn you draw until you have 10 cards in hand and we back and forth,it has a poker mentality to it where you need to make choices which battles you need to fold because if you go all out you are going to deck out very quickly.Also digimon has a reward system where not every win counts the same,bad cards get you a bigger reward when you win battles with them
Besides MTG I used to play Overpower when it came out and L5R waaay back in the day. Both were pretty fun but I enjoyed L5R quite a bit more than Overpower.
The only one of these I played was Anachronism, which I really enjoyed. It was a quick and fun game with beautiful cards. I still have my cards, which I think is a complete collection. I've tried several different CCGs, a few of which I thought were a little better than MtG. But sadly no one was really willing to give them a chance or play something other than MtG so they all died out.
I had no idea The Nightmare Before Christmas had a CCG, that's pretty darn cool. The fact that being too good and balanced can be a detriment to the game's success is one of the reasons I loathe the CCG/TCG business model even though the games themselves can be fun. I wish LCGs were more mainstream
Dead CCGs are fascinating and frustrating. Some of the best games ever, but nearly impossible to get a consistent group for anymore. I like Shadowfist, Firestorm, Babylon 5 and On the Edge.
The ones we played most back in the day were (in order); Quest for the Grail, Highlander, Star Wars, Star Trek then Battletech. Also played Doomtrooper, Netrunner (the original), Vampire the Masquerade one and one about futuristic Angels and Venice and Orbital Lasers...I want to say Rapture. I never once played Magic though.
Spycraft. One of the best CCGs. I collected Magic but hated the gameplay so I collected and played instead Hecatomb, the Harry Potter one that had actual art but based on the lore, Spycraft and other great card games that weren’t Magic. And I think Warcraft was good also. Not the video game but the card game was great.
I’m of the dragon ball z and raw deal era so they are my favorite. Just bought 6 dirt cheap boxes of Austin Powers ccg to cure some boredom with the roomies.
I still have a sealed box of Hecatomb somewhere. I really liked it, but WotC kind of built the game and then burned it. They were trying to re-create Magic the Gathering. If it hit, and didn't explode, they killed it. I thought it was profitable, not just crazy profitable. They did that with Dreamblade, as well.
Munchkin ccg is a good one but at the time of the video it wasn’t dead. However, my favorite by far is Spellfire from TSR. It lost to Magic but for me it was a better game.
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I loved this longer format video. It came across as very thoughtful, a deep dive, less superficial. Great job, Zee!
My top 5 would include the Middle Earth CCG (which had original art by various renowned Tolkien illustrators), the BattleTech CCG, the original Netrunner CCG, Vampire: The Eternal Struggle, and the Dune CCG. Ironically, I rate all of these games higher than Magic the Gathering and yet I probably spent more time playing it than all the other five combined.
ME ccg: good taste, my friend ;)
+1 for the BattleTech CCG. I really liked the tactical decisions in that one.
I’m in the MECCG camp myself. It felt like an RPG in a card game!
MECCG. Buy a bunch on gwaihir.net and build a shared deck for Arda. Do eet!
Nice. So you like Richard Garfield's game design, for he created VteS, Netrunner and BattleTech. Good gaming times.
Finally! Zee, please make videos showcasing each of these ccgs. I bought a ton of Dark Age and would love a gameplay/deckbuilding video
Just scored a starter set and 10 boosters of Dark Age on ebay for $7. Thanks Zee!
I did buy a box of Dark Age just to collect. The art is awesome and definitely enduring up to now.
Great idea for a video, Zee. The Nightmare Before XMas is also my favorite dead CCG, I collected the heck out of that and its expansion and wish there were more of it.
No Middle-Earth CCG?! Best card game ever designed?!
No 7th Sea?! No Dune CCG?! No Warlord?!
I know Decipher's Star Wars and V:TES were a bit more mainstream to go here but I'm surprised not seeing those I've mentioned being referenced.
Carlos Eduardo Saldanha I agree completely Middle Earth ccg is the best ccg.
Carlos Eduardo Saldanha I forgot about 7th Sea! That was a fun one.
He said he wasn't focusing on more well known ones. I think those are well known and were somewhat popular at their time. I loved METW (have multiples of every card) and 7th Sea.
In no particular order my top 5 are:
Mythos ccg
Vampire: The Eternal Struggle
Dark eden ccg
Rage ccg
Shadowrun tcg
And one bonus: Arcadia The Wyld Hunt CCG :)
1. Lord of the Rings - my favorite all time and has one of the greatest balancing mechanics that I've ever seen in a game with the twilight pool. Good guys pay card costs by putting tokens in the center of the table, and bad guys pay card costs by removing tokens. You can play lots of powerful cards to the Fellowship but it just means the Shadow player had more to work with.
2. Vampire The Eternal Struggle - The first few times my cousin showed us this I didn't take to it. I revisited it with him a few years later and played as Ventrue and realized how much I loved the politics and diplomacy involved. Amazing negotiation and psuedo-team work for a CCG. Also, if someone died it made the person killing them stronger, so you would try to keep other players alive until you knew you could deliver killing blows.
3. Star Trek CCG - Even after it got bloated by expansions and power creep, the deck building and side decks and lore alone keep me going, but it is the dilemma pile mechanic that I always look at fondly. Before the game starts you put card combos under your opponents missions to slow them down. It's an extra deck building step that I love.
4. Anachronism - 100% in agreement here. I have so many cards and love building "decks" all the time. Tom gives you too much grief for this game. I just wish more people played it around here...
5. .hack//enemy - I knew nothing about the license before the game came out (still don't) but my brother was a promoter for Decipher so we got cards and decks to demo. We ended up getting quite a bit ourselves. It's a lot of fun and really simple, but enough decisions in deck building (with elements, character classes and Destiny - one of the best CCG mechanics designed and reused from Deciphers Star Wars and later WARS) and decisions in gameplay (storable monsters and character/item level up).
It's tough to say with a straight face that the first three are "underappreciated" but honestly all five deserve recognition and new players in my opinion.
Star Trek TNG CCG is my all time favorite. It was the first card game I committed to and loved how the game captured the spirit of the show. Seeding dilemmas, crewing a ship and moving to locations and attempting missions - loved everything. yes, there was bloat over time but I stuck with it. Still have all my cards and hope some day to get my kids into it.
Dragon Ball Z CCG was great on my youth, don't know if just nostalgia but i remember it being good.
FINALLY- I was waiting for a video like this. I love dead ccgs
My still all time favourite is Middle earth ccg, amazing gameplay, inmersive experience, LoTR story all over the place. Just an amazing game!!
I was wondering if Hecatomb was going to make an appearance!
I really miss the old, original Rage CCG. Decipher's Star Wars was also pretty strong, despite a bit of an issue with failure spirals that were difficult to recover from.
I was hoping to see Anachronism on here. Back in high school I had an AP history teacher do an Anachronism tournament at the end of each year in the class he taught. I have had an affinity towards the game ever since.
Dark Age is a skirmish miniature game that is on a big upswing. We just put out a new quickstart two-player set; you guys should check it out! :)
I love seeing Hecatomb get mentioned. A buddy and I got a core set and the two expansions off of ebay and split them up. It's a lot of fun, especially if you are a horror fan.
Even though I have absolutely no ties to the theme, I found the EVE CCG about 6 months ago, and I'm really surprised at how well it holds up. It gives me a feel similar to that old Star Trek: Conquest game for the PC, where you have your base, and your opponent has theirs, and there's this big neutral area of planets to explore and control. It's all done with cards in a very streamlined way, as far as CCGs go.
I would like to see succinct tutorial videos for old CCGs. The rules seem interesting, but there are no tutorials anywhere on youtube; just unboxing and sometimes reviews.
My list would include Babylon 5, Shadowfist (still being played around the world), Vampire: the Eternal Struggle, Mythos* and Galactic Empires (just for the sheer madness of it)
*) At least after they fixed the distribution so that if your booster pack had an adventure card then it would also have cards you needed to play it)
This video popped up when I searched Shadowfist so I actually though it would be on his list..
@@skeletankmcgraw7343 Sorry to disappoint :)
Zee... never saw "Hecatomb" as a game. Love the concept. Great review. Dark Ages sounded great as well.
my favorites are ;
Highlander,
Star wars CCG,
Lotr ccg
My top 3 are not as obscure as Zee's:
1- Vampire: The Eternal Struggle
2- LotR CCG
3- Spellfire
I am right with you on #1. In fact I eagerly await the new printing for it is returning.
James Burns Meant to say he agrees with numbers 1 and 2... :-)
I hadn't heard about VTES returning but that's exciting!
www.vekn.net/ for those that are interested in the reading about the relunch of V:Tes.
Wow, that's pretty neat! Thanks for sharing.
Spellfire was the best one for me. Mainly because it worked so well as a 3-4 player game as well.
My favorite dead CCGs
Dune CCG - Especially the Core set, Eye of the Storm Beautiful artwork, incredible mechanics. Almost impossible to get a complete set nowadays, never mind the other two released sets Judge of the change, Thunder at twilight
Middle Earth collectible Card Game - I have many fond memories of this one. Played many, many games of this one have almost all the expansions completed and played them all, Wizards, Lidless Eye, Dragons, Against the Shadow, Dark minions (not completed missing), White Hand (Never liked it much) Balrogs. Beautiful artwork, exceptional immersion value and game mechanics.
Battletech - Never owned much more than a couple of starters played with friends cards, remember having lots of fun, but the game was dead already and the cards were really expensive, still a great game from what I remember.
Not five, because I tend to stay with the same games(Board and card games alike) for years and years, and the other card game I play is still very much alive, and is technically not a CCG, but a LCG Android Netrunner Fantastic (stopped buying expansions about a year ago....Getting too big of a card pool).
Btw Dark Age does have phenomenal art, thank you for sharing!
Great top 5 Zee! My Top 3 are:
1. WoW TCG, originally by UDE, then after it got abandoned and forgotten due to YGO (Which they lost the rights to publish anyway) Cryptozoic carried the torch. But alas it's already too little too late. The raid decks captured the feel of the in-game raids quite faithfully, the heroes / classes feels balanced, the full art cards and "crafting" (redeemable materials that we can get inside boosters) are just incredibly flavorful and awesome for a TCG / CCG.
2. VS System by UDE. Even though there's a 2 PCG (2 player card game) version, a new variant created by UDE as a form of LCG. The original TCG was one of the best, most balanced and engaging Marvel / DC (and even Dark Horse comics with Hellboy) card game ever. With great resource system that eliminates land screws, totally awesome team up mechanics, incredibly original, flavorful, unique mechanics for each teams (factions). But since UDE was too busy with YGO, and they also got their hands full with WoW TCG, VS Systems' game balance and popularity went down the drain.
3. Duel Masters by WotC. Okay it's not entirely dead, we'll get back to that later. When most people know DM as a TCG that borrows a lot from its older brother (MtG), originally it was a manga created by Shigenobu Matsumoto about MtG. But since it touches more on the legacy and other vintage format aspects of the game (including highlander, vanguard, etc) before the cool awesome era of EDH / Commander, the series wasn't quite popular (or successful) as everyone hoped. So it stopped telling the story about MtG just when Shoubu Kirifuda was about to face Hakuoh in a grand final battle and started introducing the "true" ultimate TCG, DM. DM fixed a lot of MtG's problems such as land screw, and even though the TCG was dead in the states (no, Kaijudo is just a horrible effort in trying to resurrect the game), it's still going quite strong in its homeland, Japan.
I'va always been a fan of Illuminati since it first game out. It was re-released at one point in a box set that was more of a deck builder type thing, but the original game was a full TCG complete with blind boosters and deck customization. I still have one deck of ever faction built and we break them out from time to time just for the heck of it.
Another underrated TCG that is still fun every now and then is the Star Trek TCG. The games took far too long in the original rules and it turned off a lot of players. Things have been revamped and the game plays much more smoothly and quickly now, but unfortunately due to it having been out of print for so long, getting your hands on the actual cards to play can be fairly difficult. On a positive note, the entire collection of cards are available online for free so you can print and play whatever or use one of the many online gaming services to play that way.
Trueflight Silverwing I actually prefer the original more often than STCCG 2E, but I understand the complaint. I still love them both though.
Some of my favorite lesser known ccgs include (for very different reasons - game play, theme, art work, etc.): Illuminati, Mythos, Quest for the Grail, Wyvern, MLB Showdown, and Tempest of the Gods.
I still have a alot of Tempest and never met another person who owns any.
Wow, someone else that played Wyvern. :-) My ex-wife and I used to enjoy it. :-)
Wyvern was cool bot several boxes of boosters and starter decks from my local flea market bout 10-15 years ago
**bought**
I started CCG's with HIGHLANDER!
played and still have: Highlander, LOTR, WCW, Wheel of Time, Dune, Star Wars, and a few others
The Pez CCG, from Mike Fitzgerald, designer of Baseball Highlights, is amazing.
Great video. Perhaps my favorite older ccg was warhamer 40000 by Sabretooth Games. I bought some starter decks back in the day, and thought it was okay, but then found some really cheap starters and booster at my local game store and a booster box at origins for something like 20 dollars, and that was when I really started building some really amazing decks.
I'd give my top five as Warhammer Champions, Netrunner, Dragoborne, Final War, and The Terminator, and a special mention for Highlander. Still have all of my cards for these games and love breaking them out whenever possible.
My favorite dead TCG has to be World of Warcraft TCG. Best resource management I have ever seen in a TCG, awesome deck customization and it had some of the best cards I have ever seen, like Leeroy Jenkins which you had to shout "LEEEEEEEEEEROY JENKINS!!" to activate his ability. And the Raid Decks were the best ones ever.
Magi-Nation is my favorite dead CCG
I wasn't expecting odd CCG's I assumed games like Kaijudo, X-men something. interesting list.
It's Zee, if it isn't a game you never heard of he's clearly sick.
X-Men is a legendarily bad CCG.
My absolute favorite CCG was 7th Sea. I also played Anachronism and The LoTR TCG, as well as the original Middle Earth CCG. All great games.
My personal favorite is Middle Earth. Started collecting the cards when it first came out and I was just a teenager. Rules were a bit too hard for me then, but the art was so beautiful and I was a huge fan of Tolkien's books.
Lately, I've started playing this solo again and man... The game is so versatile and rich. Even decades later it doesn't feel dated.
I had a collection for a long time and their big blunder was not having a starter set with the map. Using the card stack to do movement with the little regions in the rule book was THE WORST. But with the map you just look at the route and see the possible hazards. It was like a different game and is still one of the best.
Upperdecks quickstrike system was great! I have a complete base set of the Avatar line (missing the BK and action fig promos...)
Chamber cards ;)
Hey Zee, we're waiting for your Top 10 trick-taking games!!!
I played the White Wolf CCGs, but the game I liked best was the Mythos CCG from Chaosium.
My favorites are Kaijudo/Duel Masters, kinda of the same game but Kaijudo had some updates over DM. Cool list though! I had only heard about Hectatomb and Nightmare Before Christmas.
Zee, I'd love to try that Nightmare CCG with you someday.
Heresy had phenomenal art and solid game play. It was very thematic cyberpunk meets Armageddon, and actually had Bible verses on some of the cards.
Terrible card shape. PitA to shuffle. But did enjoy the game itself.
Have you ever played Magi-Nation? I really enjoyed that CCG as a kid.
Wow! Great topic and video. Only one did I have experience with and I'm going to have to check some of this out. My tops are/were: Wildstorms, Decipher Star Wars and Star Trek, Warhammer War Cry, Middle-earth and Overpower. I also wanted Redakai to be better because the overlaying of clear cards seams really cool but the game just wasn't well enough tested and balanced.
digimon did the back and forth way better,each turn you draw until you have 10 cards in hand and we back and forth,it has a poker mentality to it where you need to make choices which battles you need to fold because if you go all out you are going to deck out very quickly.Also digimon has a reward system where not every win counts the same,bad cards get you a bigger reward when you win battles with them
Besides MTG I used to play Overpower when it came out and L5R waaay back in the day. Both were pretty fun but I enjoyed L5R quite a bit more than Overpower.
My brother really liked L5R
Played both loved Overpower
Had a very remote hope of hearing him say the Battletech CCG.
The only one of these I played was Anachronism, which I really enjoyed. It was a quick and fun game with beautiful cards. I still have my cards, which I think is a complete collection.
I've tried several different CCGs, a few of which I thought were a little better than MtG. But sadly no one was really willing to give them a chance or play something other than MtG so they all died out.
Do you think Zoon is a CCG ? If yes, I think it's my favourite dead CCG.
Magi Nation Duel is my all time favorite card game.
my fave 2 are: Star Wars (Decipher) and Rage
I had no idea The Nightmare Before Christmas had a CCG, that's pretty darn cool. The fact that being too good and balanced can be a detriment to the game's success is one of the reasons I loathe the CCG/TCG business model even though the games themselves can be fun. I wish LCGs were more mainstream
Dead CCGs are fascinating and frustrating. Some of the best games ever, but nearly impossible to get a consistent group for anymore. I like Shadowfist, Firestorm, Babylon 5 and On the Edge.
1. Call of Cthulhu
2. Netrunner
3. Dune
4. L5R (AEG)
5. Warhammer: Invasion
I’ve never played VTES!!! I’d really like to play it!
#1 Decipher Star Wars (And later WARS CCG)
#2 Decipher Star Trek (2nd edition)
#3 Battletech
#4 VS. (Not the new one.)
#5 WildStorms (Superhero game.)
I really like Mythos.
The ones we played most back in the day were (in order); Quest for the Grail, Highlander, Star Wars, Star Trek then Battletech.
Also played Doomtrooper, Netrunner (the original), Vampire the Masquerade one and one about futuristic Angels and Venice and Orbital Lasers...I want to say Rapture. I never once played Magic though.
Apparently that was in fact Heresy 😀
Spycraft. One of the best CCGs. I collected Magic but hated the gameplay so I collected and played instead Hecatomb, the Harry Potter one that had actual art but based on the lore, Spycraft and other great card games that weren’t Magic. And I think Warcraft was good also. Not the video game but the card game was great.
Do you have some decklists you like from the NBC: TCG?
I dug Guardians, especially for the artwork.
Overpower. Not the best game but it tickles my nostalgia.
I’m of the dragon ball z and raw deal era so they are my favorite. Just bought 6 dirt cheap boxes of Austin Powers ccg to cure some boredom with the roomies.
Zee mentioned Brom but no Guardians in the list?
Hecatomb was a very good game, shocked V:tES wasn't on the list.
I still have a sealed box of Hecatomb somewhere. I really liked it, but WotC kind of built the game and then burned it. They were trying to re-create Magic the Gathering. If it hit, and didn't explode, they killed it. I thought it was profitable, not just crazy profitable. They did that with Dreamblade, as well.
Absolute favorite card game of all time is Warlord Saga of the Storm from AEG
Vampire isn't really a dead CCG as there is still a player base and expansions in production, otherwise I'd call Zee out on it's omission too.
Warlord CCG
That is probably my favorite CCG of all time.
Absolutely 👌🏻
Shadowfist was the best. And the multiplayer format was better than any other ccg multiplayer ever!!!!
zatch bell,beyblade,digimon and the best dead tcg duel masters
Munchkin ccg is a good one but at the time of the video it wasn’t dead. However, my favorite by far is Spellfire from TSR. It lost to Magic but for me it was a better game.
Dark Age seemed nice.
You ever get punched by Shadowfist let alone where the punch came from?
I was always disappointed that the Shadowrun CCG died so quickly.
Where are Star Wars CCG (Decipher), Digimon Hyper Colosseum, Neopets...
Chaotic and Medabots were My favorite
Mine are 1- Star Wars Decipher 2- Rifts 3- Young Jedi
This was a great topic for a vid. They should retheme hecatomb.
No Aliens vs Predator?
3. Gijoe
2. Battletech
1. Shadow fist (easy goat)
What's the x-men game behind Zee?
njmongoose it's a collectors box for dice masters
my all time fav would be battle spirits :)
Hecatomb rocked!
MLB Showdown, Star Wars CCG, Doom Trooper CCG.
Power Rangers Action Card Game. So fun!
I loved Warlord by AEG.
14:00 so, Fate/Stay Night :D
You can get a bunch of The Nightmare Before Christmas stuff dirt cheap here: www.dacardworld.com/gaming/gaming-clearance-specials
After watching several Zee videos I do now have to comment on it... that Jet set board game box is so awful. What an eyesore!
Dead CCG's I played
Anachronism
Battle Tech
Harry Potter
RAGE: The End.
I miss Battletech: CCG.
Appreciate the use of a dead film format to introduce some dead games.
ok now gotta try Nightmare before Christmas!
Shadowfist
So what happened to the other, better ones? Like MLB Showdown or Star Trek or Star Wars or VS System or even Austin Powers? Zee I am disappoint!
I liked the video, I like the idea of the list, but 33 minutes might be a little long for a solo top 5.
Yeah. Boo.
I did buy a box of Dark Age just to collect. The art is awesome and definitely enduring up to now.
ok now gotta try Nightmare before Christmas!