To be honest, when I played through the story the first time, Haurchefant WAS one of my favorite characters. He was there for my WoL in one of her most emotionally fragile times, and what little I could see of his obvious interest struck me as affectionate and endearing (this was before the MSQ was trimmed). But what caught my heart and loyalty forever was when I saw what his reaction had been to her fight with Shiva. It's a throw-away line, how he had to be held back by several people to keep from charging into the fight to aid us, but it meant the world to my WoL. So many people were treating her more like the Weapon of Light and not as a friend, and then Haurchefant was not only willing, but TRIED to charge into a *Primal* fight without the benefit of the Echo's protection. I knew nothing of his fate and I fell HARD for him in that moment. By the way, I salute your accomplishments. Well done.
The nature of ultimates lends itself to so much stuff, I can think of so many Ultimates I'd love to see: - The Four Lords (Especially to give the golden dragon Koryu a proper epic fight) - The Weapons (I'd love a cool sub-phase as part of Emerald where you fight a juiced up Gaius, using elements from the reworked Praetorium fight & Memoria Miseria. It's kind of a shame we didn't get a Gaius phase as a part of UWU) - Ivalice (Argath, Yiazmat, Thunder God and Ultima the High Seraph) - Crystal Tower (Would love to see hard versions of Amon and Xande. Cloud of Darkness can be a part of it too. Even Azdaja can make a cameo.) - Shadow of Mhach (We just really need a proper Diabolos fight.) - Storm of Blood (Dunno the exact bosses. It shouldn't be the primals, but at least have an Ultimate with old Zenos & later Reaper Zenos and Shinryu in there. Perhaps add resonant Fordola & Tsukuyomi. We just need a proper Zenos fight in the game). - Alternate UWU (A 'what if' if the primals Ultima absorbed were the patch primals instead. So Shiva, Ramuh, Leviathan, cameo by Odin maybe.)
lol Gonna disagree right out the bat. Tesleen was cool, but like Haurchefant came to our aid multiple time. I liked him more than most of the scions at the time of his death. His death was 100% big. They did a good job with making Tesleen relatable in the short time we knew her, but Haurchefant came to our aid many more times. With the inquisitor, during the part where we save Emannelain, gave us the black chocobo AND sheltered us.
Yeah I agree with you. People saying Haurchefant wasn't a big deal feels like something that's said in hindsight as a reflection of just how much impact Haurchefant had on the community. The boyo was around in ARR, we helped him a few times, and he saved us a couple times as well. And then you get to the end of ARR and the story going into Heavensward, with him single-handedly saving the WoL. You can argue that "well actually, the Scions were fine" once we get the full picture of the story by the time HW ends and going into Stormblood. That still doesn't change the immense impact of what it meant to us that Haurchefant saved us from the chaos of Ul'Dah and the usurpation happening. In the years since Heavensward, have they milked Haurchefant's death for all that they can? Of course. It still doesn't change just how powerful his death was in the first place!
To me his death felt whatever. I had no emotional reaction to his death scene *whatsoever*. I did not care for him, and after getting multiple alts through MSQ, I still don't care for him. Every single time they allude back to his death with the "smile" line, or "for those we can yet save", I roll my eyes. It's like they keep harping on about the ONE somewhat impactful death they had happen 10 years ago because they're afraid of fan reactions if they were to kill off fan-favourite characters that are long past their expiration date.
I'll be completely honest, I didn't even realize he was a recurring character until right before his death. I don't understand how everyone say him at the very end of ARR and thought "WoW! Generic 2.0 quest giver #247! I loved that guy! He gave so much more impact than quest giver #246, and he truly is part of the team!" I liked him showing back up, but I thought it was basically the same deal as that guy in the 3.4 msq that was an Ala mhigan refugee you helped in 2.0. Just like that one, I thought this was meant to be a fun head nod and not a reappearance of everyone's favourite character. When he showed up during 3.0, I didn't even realize he was the same guy who got us into the city until right before the vault. He was a nice guy, but we mean hundreds of nice npcs who are fans of us in the msq. I don't understand why he specifically was such a big deal. I might also be a bit biased because I was a massive fan of Ysale, her sacrifice was the only time HW had me tearing up a bit, and nobody even talks about it because se was ovshadowed by the generic soldier from a few scenes earlier.
Haurchefant absolutely is a fan favorite. He was our friend all through Coerthas/HsW and at the end he literally took a bullet for us. The only characters as close to the WoL as Haurchefant was are the primary Scion characters.
@omensoffate Let's not be intellectually dishonest here... we all know the phrase "to take a bullet for someone." The dude makes a valid point, and your brain immediately goes to monkey.
DSR was really special for me, since I think my biggest reason for raiding is for the plot. I was curious to see the what ifs more than getting the glamour. My character is a Cloud Strife cosplay so fighting FF14 Knights of the Round sounds fun to me. Before DSR, I only cleared UWU with raid lead calling out where to go. I couldn't clear TEA in time for EW, so I was really nervous doing DSR on patch. My first group was not very good, we never got to meteor drop in Thordan and I stuck there for a week until my bf pulled me into his P4 group because one of their healers refused to communicate at all (guy doesn't talk/chat/vc...) and it pissed the raid lead off, who is the other healer. I was even more nervous since now I have to study the rest of P2, P3 and P4 beforehand and it was nerve wracking. But I managed it. We got to P4 after 2-3 days of prog. First time I got the meteor I did it on my first try. It was very validating as a new raider. We cleared after 4 months of prog, in time before the next big patch. DSR is an ultimate that I feel at home being there. I know what mech does what because I was there. It's a good feeling.
Haurchefant was and is still my favorite NPC. He was the only one who was there in our time of need. So yeah, he was my favorite even before he died. So to me, your opinion is invalid. @1:10
lol dont take this guy seriously. he compared tesleen and haurchefant when tesleen has barely done anything for the wol. this guy is a story skipper how do you think he can understand a character when all he does is skip.
as somebody who just started dsr a few days ago, that does indeed seem to be the case between people who can do them consistently and the people who still have trouble with it quite often
Ngl the Ninja thing reminded me of when I progged it. I fatfingered Surecast and it was Supports out. I was able to use Icarus on my dps partner and time the server tick perfectly to dash in, then get kb'd to my tower. It was a beautiful day. I have greeded or moved slowly on so many mechanics and used Icarus to save pulls far too many times.
Playing the game for so long and having a take as rancid and wrong as "Haurchefant wasn't a fan favorite" makes me think that old age is giving his boomer brain dementia.
In the next big world ender shit is serious expansion ( like Shadow Bringers or Endwalker ) Im going to say something controversial. FF14 team needs to have the chad energy and nuts to kill Ys'tolla. ( Plus I think the reaper should have his sniper sites on her after cheating death twice ). Thats going to be a death that will get as much emotional energy and match Haurchefaunt's.
Many of the raiders are normal gamers and I would be more grateful for those who put out guides and everything to help us out so that we too can enjoy the game in our own ways like Xeno, Nukemaru, Tessan and everyone who put out effort. It’s great that you don’t need it. But I am forever grateful for those who looked out for the smaller guys. Experience in ultimate does not have to be defined by just one way. The more people who can enjoy in whichever level the merrier. The fight is too good and design too masterful to not be experienced by the fans in one way or other.
I'm very curious for sanctity of the ward. Did anyone ever try to drop the ice puddles on the fire aoes to make them fully overlap ? maybe they cancel each other I dont know, leaving some safe spots XD we never tried it ourselves, and I dont know if some people tried
ppl going D: when arthars say they cant do strength of the ward, and he is right. mfer's be griefing on strength in a meteors/p3 or even later party holy...
i guess haucherfant is a fan favorite because there are more fans of him now than there was before i may be kinda biased too because i didnt like many of the characters in heavensward when i played - i do see the importance of him and his family but i believe there are other factors for him to be so liked nowadays for example i kinda missed more papalymo, i really liked him and i screamed when i saw his staff during endwalker (also pls come to brazil part 2 - i need to know how it ends)
Papalymo is only a relevant character to WOL's who started in Gridania. And there are not really that many factors to why people like Haurchefant so much... He was just very kind after the events of the bloody banquet led the players to Ishgard. He gave them coco and some encouraging words, and from then on was just someone that clearly cared about the WOL as a person. Which was a switch up of the dynamics between NPC and player before, where the WOL was just treated like a weapon, not really a person. The Dark Knight questline goes into this a bit as well.
@@bolladragon buff could be catered to normal dps or tanks, with lesser effects on support classes. Kinda like how certain cards on AST aren't as effective for casters, range, meele, tanks.
I laughed so hard when elf dude died. I mean first off, if he never called out to me the spear would have missed anyway. Secondly I'm immortal, just let me tank it and respawn later. Such a pointless death that is 100% avoidable all around.
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To be honest, when I played through the story the first time, Haurchefant WAS one of my favorite characters. He was there for my WoL in one of her most emotionally fragile times, and what little I could see of his obvious interest struck me as affectionate and endearing (this was before the MSQ was trimmed). But what caught my heart and loyalty forever was when I saw what his reaction had been to her fight with Shiva. It's a throw-away line, how he had to be held back by several people to keep from charging into the fight to aid us, but it meant the world to my WoL. So many people were treating her more like the Weapon of Light and not as a friend, and then Haurchefant was not only willing, but TRIED to charge into a *Primal* fight without the benefit of the Echo's protection.
I knew nothing of his fate and I fell HARD for him in that moment.
By the way, I salute your accomplishments. Well done.
The nature of ultimates lends itself to so much stuff, I can think of so many Ultimates I'd love to see:
- The Four Lords (Especially to give the golden dragon Koryu a proper epic fight)
- The Weapons (I'd love a cool sub-phase as part of Emerald where you fight a juiced up Gaius, using elements from the reworked Praetorium fight & Memoria Miseria. It's kind of a shame we didn't get a Gaius phase as a part of UWU)
- Ivalice (Argath, Yiazmat, Thunder God and Ultima the High Seraph)
- Crystal Tower (Would love to see hard versions of Amon and Xande. Cloud of Darkness can be a part of it too. Even Azdaja can make a cameo.)
- Shadow of Mhach (We just really need a proper Diabolos fight.)
- Storm of Blood (Dunno the exact bosses. It shouldn't be the primals, but at least have an Ultimate with old Zenos & later Reaper Zenos and Shinryu in there. Perhaps add resonant Fordola & Tsukuyomi. We just need a proper Zenos fight in the game).
- Alternate UWU (A 'what if' if the primals Ultima absorbed were the patch primals instead. So Shiva, Ramuh, Leviathan, cameo by Odin maybe.)
Ultimate Kefka with warring triad.
I'd like to add to this list. The Patrons (Nald'thal, Rhalgar, Thaliak, Llymlaen, Halone and Nophica).
Your comment about dungeon bosses being an ultimate is why I want to see an Anima EX.
lol Gonna disagree right out the bat. Tesleen was cool, but like Haurchefant came to our aid multiple time. I liked him more than most of the scions at the time of his death. His death was 100% big.
They did a good job with making Tesleen relatable in the short time we knew her, but Haurchefant came to our aid many more times. With the inquisitor, during the part where we save Emannelain, gave us the black chocobo AND sheltered us.
Yeah I agree with you. People saying Haurchefant wasn't a big deal feels like something that's said in hindsight as a reflection of just how much impact Haurchefant had on the community. The boyo was around in ARR, we helped him a few times, and he saved us a couple times as well.
And then you get to the end of ARR and the story going into Heavensward, with him single-handedly saving the WoL. You can argue that "well actually, the Scions were fine" once we get the full picture of the story by the time HW ends and going into Stormblood. That still doesn't change the immense impact of what it meant to us that Haurchefant saved us from the chaos of Ul'Dah and the usurpation happening.
In the years since Heavensward, have they milked Haurchefant's death for all that they can? Of course. It still doesn't change just how powerful his death was in the first place!
To me his death felt whatever. I had no emotional reaction to his death scene *whatsoever*. I did not care for him, and after getting multiple alts through MSQ, I still don't care for him. Every single time they allude back to his death with the "smile" line, or "for those we can yet save", I roll my eyes. It's like they keep harping on about the ONE somewhat impactful death they had happen 10 years ago because they're afraid of fan reactions if they were to kill off fan-favourite characters that are long past their expiration date.
I'll be completely honest, I didn't even realize he was a recurring character until right before his death. I don't understand how everyone say him at the very end of ARR and thought "WoW! Generic 2.0 quest giver #247! I loved that guy! He gave so much more impact than quest giver #246, and he truly is part of the team!"
I liked him showing back up, but I thought it was basically the same deal as that guy in the 3.4 msq that was an Ala mhigan refugee you helped in 2.0. Just like that one, I thought this was meant to be a fun head nod and not a reappearance of everyone's favourite character.
When he showed up during 3.0, I didn't even realize he was the same guy who got us into the city until right before the vault.
He was a nice guy, but we mean hundreds of nice npcs who are fans of us in the msq. I don't understand why he specifically was such a big deal.
I might also be a bit biased because I was a massive fan of Ysale, her sacrifice was the only time HW had me tearing up a bit, and nobody even talks about it because se was ovshadowed by the generic soldier from a few scenes earlier.
Haurchefant absolutely is a fan favorite. He was our friend all through Coerthas/HsW and at the end he literally took a bullet for us. The only characters as close to the WoL as Haurchefant was are the primary Scion characters.
It wasn’t a bullet so how was it literally ?
@@omensoffateI was going to ask the same thing lol
@@omensoffate boomer.
@omensoffate Let's not be intellectually dishonest here... we all know the phrase "to take a bullet for someone." The dude makes a valid point, and your brain immediately goes to monkey.
Only thing i remember is that we eat soup with him and he was super gay.
DSR was really special for me, since I think my biggest reason for raiding is for the plot. I was curious to see the what ifs more than getting the glamour. My character is a Cloud Strife cosplay so fighting FF14 Knights of the Round sounds fun to me. Before DSR, I only cleared UWU with raid lead calling out where to go. I couldn't clear TEA in time for EW, so I was really nervous doing DSR on patch. My first group was not very good, we never got to meteor drop in Thordan and I stuck there for a week until my bf pulled me into his P4 group because one of their healers refused to communicate at all (guy doesn't talk/chat/vc...) and it pissed the raid lead off, who is the other healer. I was even more nervous since now I have to study the rest of P2, P3 and P4 beforehand and it was nerve wracking. But I managed it. We got to P4 after 2-3 days of prog. First time I got the meteor I did it on my first try. It was very validating as a new raider. We cleared after 4 months of prog, in time before the next big patch. DSR is an ultimate that I feel at home being there. I know what mech does what because I was there. It's a good feeling.
Haurchefant was and is still my favorite NPC. He was the only one who was there in our time of need. So yeah, he was my favorite even before he died. So to me, your opinion is invalid. @1:10
lol dont take this guy seriously. he compared tesleen and haurchefant when tesleen has barely done anything for the wol. this guy is a story skipper how do you think he can understand a character when all he does is skip.
? There's like a thousand npcs that have always been helpful to the wol whenever they appear
The earthquake is only hard if you respect it. If you don't respect it, it will almost never hit you.
as somebody who just started dsr a few days ago, that does indeed seem to be the case between people who can do them consistently and the people who still have trouble with it quite often
Ngl the Ninja thing reminded me of when I progged it. I fatfingered Surecast and it was Supports out. I was able to use Icarus on my dps partner and time the server tick perfectly to dash in, then get kb'd to my tower. It was a beautiful day. I have greeded or moved slowly on so many mechanics and used Icarus to save pulls far too many times.
Playing the game for so long and having a take as rancid and wrong as "Haurchefant wasn't a fan favorite" makes me think that old age is giving his boomer brain dementia.
In the next big world ender shit is serious expansion ( like Shadow Bringers or Endwalker )
Im going to say something controversial. FF14 team needs to have the chad energy and nuts to kill Ys'tolla. ( Plus I think the reaper should have his sniper sites on her after cheating death twice ).
Thats going to be a death that will get as much emotional energy and match Haurchefaunt's.
Many of the raiders are normal gamers and I would be more grateful for those who put out guides and everything to help us out so that we too can enjoy the game in our own ways like Xeno, Nukemaru, Tessan and everyone who put out effort. It’s great that you don’t need it. But I am forever grateful for those who looked out for the smaller guys. Experience in ultimate does not have to be defined by just one way. The more people who can enjoy in whichever level the merrier. The fight is too good and design too masterful to not be experienced by the fans in one way or other.
I've seen a version without arms length, but it was super cursed and I don't think it's always possible to do either based on tower configuration
It is possible with any tower config, but basically everyone in the party has to know the permutations and be pixel perfect.
I agree they did Anima dirty. Would also love to see it in an Ultimate.
Heavensfall is my favorite mechanic because it's always a clown fiesta. Meteors is basically heavensfall on steroids. S tier mechanic.
I had an idea to do it w/o arms length but it would require like so much adjusting for how little time you have xD
I was about to be OFFENDED about mah boy Haurchefant, but your rant was hilarious and so, I sub. LOL
I'm very curious for sanctity of the ward. Did anyone ever try to drop the ice puddles on the fire aoes to make them fully overlap ? maybe they cancel each other I dont know, leaving some safe spots XD we never tried it ourselves, and I dont know if some people tried
I imagine the bleed would kill ypu before you could even attempt
Tried, they don’t, and if you stand on the fire aoes you will die
ppl going D: when arthars say they cant do strength of the ward, and he is right. mfer's be griefing on strength in a meteors/p3 or even later party holy...
Tess scared me. I wasnt ready
if teslene was saved maybe the 1st will always afternoon lmfao
arthars reacts are so comfy
i guess haucherfant is a fan favorite because there are more fans of him now than there was before
i may be kinda biased too because i didnt like many of the characters in heavensward when i played - i do see the importance of him and his family but i believe there are other factors for him to be so liked nowadays
for example i kinda missed more papalymo, i really liked him and i screamed when i saw his staff during endwalker
(also pls come to brazil part 2 - i need to know how it ends)
Papalymo is only a relevant character to WOL's who started in Gridania. And there are not really that many factors to why people like Haurchefant so much... He was just very kind after the events of the bloody banquet led the players to Ishgard. He gave them coco and some encouraging words, and from then on was just someone that clearly cared about the WOL as a person. Which was a switch up of the dynamics between NPC and player before, where the WOL was just treated like a weapon, not really a person. The Dark Knight questline goes into this a bit as well.
No AG3 mention Sadge
Amen arthas
Real support jobs, that add value in respective to normal dps. Otherwise ppl will rarher just run Dps
I’d worry support jobs would result with meta groups refusing to take normal DPS since Tanks and Healers can get big dick numbers on their own.
I’d worry support jobs would result with meta groups refusing to take normal DPS since Tanks and Healers can get big dick numbers on their own.
@@bolladragon buff could be catered to normal dps or tanks, with lesser effects on support classes. Kinda like how certain cards on AST aren't as effective for casters, range, meele, tanks.
@@bolladragon without proper grouping effects could be lowered as well in general
@@bolladragon ppl already cheese stuff without healers also
I love how they don't even mention Stormblood at all. He's like after Heavensward, Endwalker released to critical acclaim.
ucob and uwu are stormblood fights but he never said it
i was so good in hws now im washed LMAO i still want a privat server and it will neevr happen ye thats a boomer thing
HW when there was no duality, either u love it or hate it
There was. You pretty much wanted to hit it right before Aeolian.
I had a different experience lol the moment endwalker release i quit raiding entirely
Oh why?
@@Venosynethe story was a major downgrade for me
I laughed so hard when elf dude died. I mean first off, if he never called out to me the spear would have missed anyway. Secondly I'm immortal, just let me tank it and respawn later. Such a pointless death that is 100% avoidable all around.
WoL deaths aren't canon, story skipper-kun
@@chrislee5268 The new Lahabrea solo duty at level 50 would like a word with you.
@@ruily276 Except we don't die in that duty