@@db7612If a different person is chosen as emperor, who do you think is the person that challenges their position the most? Roman politics was a brutal power struggle so why would they let Commodus live and threaten their power cause he was the only living son of the old emperor.
It always baffles me that the best people that have extraordinary lives and great moral character, end up raising the most spoiled and morally bankrupt people.
Because history is the prison of people who had great power. If you look into inhertence laws of massive empires, it is obvious they were done for the good enough people who at least knew their way in politics, war, cruelty.
When a person grows he/she naturally doubts the things they are taught, as they do not believe without seeing. People who have great moral character tend to teach only good, and do not explain the reasons of evil.
This is one thing which Julius Caesar achieved which very few could, which was to choose a heir to carry his legacy and for the future of his nation. He chose Octavian when he was a rather nobody but he saw the potential in him and boy did that choice turn out good.
@@Ishaan36610 Well considering when Caesar chose Octavian as his heir his name was still Gaius Octavius or when Anglicized, simply Octavian, so in a way it's technically correct, apart from that he is not a living person. All of his names are valid, it would only be disrespect if he was alive.
I think I might be wrong about the reason why but I believe that Marcus chose him more out of paternal role. He knew that his son was a spoiled brat and hoped by making his successor, he would grow up and become a man instead of a playboy and wanted Maximus to stay on as an advisor to him, only to have his son betray him by killing him in the movie and breaking his heart in history.
Legend says that Commodus later turned into a psychotic jester and killed one of the public figure scribe. Also a man dressed as a bat pursued Commodus for the rest of his life...
I have trouble believing that because there must have been at least one person Marcus would have trusted enough to carry out his wishes of “precepting” Commodus until he was ready for the throne.That is exactly how Marcus became the Emperor.
Commodus was a bad emperor, but he wasn't that cruel, he fought for tolerance between religions, elevated many slaves to high roles, brought peace after years. He eventually became deeply mistrusting of everyone around him after the first attempts to his life which led him to be pretty paranoid and bloody. A part from that he had a temper, a huge ego and opsession with gladiators. Many believe he sabotaged his opponents when fighting in the arena. He liked to torture the disabled so i'll give you that.
Sounds more likely. Plus maybe in hopes that commodus’s son and sons’s sons would break the cycle and atleast keep his family (him) on the throne for eons after he dies.
Well could adopt someone who would adopt his son so he had someone who would be emperor until his son was ready. Like. Like others before him or a co emperorship like his father was when he was younger.
His commitment is undeniable. The man himself actually joined our podcast and has shown us a way into his thinking. The time capsule chamber is doing wonders!
A parent's love is either their greatest strength or weakness. Not to call him weak, but Marcus greatest weakness was his hope that his children will not fall prey to the hedonistic pleasures of the empire when they became a part of it.
Right? Yeah, I think the explanation in the movie made more sense. Commodus took what he wanted. That seems to be in keeping with the rest of his reign.
Yes he did. In real life he made his son co-emperor and always took him on campaigns preparing him to rule. He reinstated the male inheritance laws partly for this purpose. That and the fact that he was the only son born to an emperor in a very long time meant that he was always the unquestioned heir.
It's ironic that the greatest philosophical emperor whose teaching we still adhere to this day after 2000 years, was not infallible to basic human instincts..despite being the emperor he choose his son's life instead of future of Rome!!
This must be more historical. This DID NOT happen in the film. At all. It was more maximus was selected for his disinterest in power, and his clear respect for the imperial bloodline... plus his willingness to empower the senate. Commodus was a political dumpster fire and it terrified his father per the film Canon
There are spoiled brats today that manipulate their parents. And there was the same back then. It's not too far-fetched to believe that his son forced his father's hand.
Commodes was chosen to be Co-Emperor at age 5 along with his brother. When his brother died Aurelius named Commodus as his successor. The movie was bs and there was no Maximus in the true history of
This doesnt make sense to an extent, Marcus Aurelius must have know Commadus was a cruel and incompentent individual? at a base level it doesnt matter how off the person is, Fathers and Mothers usually know the breath of morality of their Children, there are situations where one of those parents cannot commuicnate that cohertenly or their opinion is not taken serisousl for whatever reason, but a Father or Mother usually know their Children, they might not know if they have Genius or not but they will know the breath of that childs morality. Yet sometimes this how Jesus works in plain sight, a covert method in plain sight, under environmental conditions of duress, he slips his most loved before the demons even know it, its too late. All Glory to our Lord and Savior, JESUS Christ. Yet not to digress, I am still baffled why he chose commodus.
I’m no historian of course, but that doesn’t make sense. I’m quite sure he ruled jointly, with equal power to his father, for about three years (177 to 180). If Marcus Aurelius though that Commodus wasn’t a worthy ruler why make him co-emperor, and not delay his ascension as much as possible?
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Comedus was the last of his surviving 4 children. That's it. If he chose someone else, it would've been a death sentence for comedus.
Bingo
if i may ask, why is that?
@@db7612If a different person is chosen as emperor, who do you think is the person that challenges their position the most? Roman politics was a brutal power struggle so why would they let Commodus live and threaten their power cause he was the only living son of the old emperor.
@@listplaylist exactly, eliminate any threat to power imagined or real.
Nailed it
It always baffles me that the best people that have extraordinary lives and great moral character, end up raising the most spoiled and morally bankrupt people.
Because history is the prison of people who had great power.
If you look into inhertence laws of massive empires, it is obvious they were done for the good enough people who at least knew their way in politics, war, cruelty.
When a person grows he/she naturally doubts the things they are taught, as they do not believe without seeing. People who have great moral character tend to teach only good, and do not explain the reasons of evil.
Not all of them, Alexander the Great comes to mind.
The Commodus of history was actually quite a fine, revered emperor. Not at all like the dramatized villain in Gladiator.
Yeah they are busy 😂
This is one thing which Julius Caesar achieved which very few could, which was to choose a heir to carry his legacy and for the future of his nation. He chose Octavian when he was a rather nobody but he saw the potential in him and boy did that choice turn out good.
Don't call him Ocatvition he changed his name to Augustus
@@Ishaan36610 Well considering when Caesar chose Octavian as his heir his name was still Gaius Octavius or when Anglicized, simply Octavian, so in a way it's technically correct, apart from that he is not a living person. All of his names are valid, it would only be disrespect if he was alive.
Julius Ceaseer, didn't have any sons before the Octavious adaptation. If there any after they would have been killed anyway, ask Cleopatra.
I mean he was caesar's nephew
I think I might be wrong about the reason why but I believe that Marcus chose him more out of paternal role. He knew that his son was a spoiled brat and hoped by making his successor, he would grow up and become a man instead of a playboy and wanted Maximus to stay on as an advisor to him, only to have his son betray him by killing him in the movie and breaking his heart in history.
And it didn’t work why didn’t he teach his son to walk like him?
I don’t think Maximus is real.
Maximus was a fake character.
Legend says that Commodus later turned into a psychotic jester and killed one of the public figure scribe. Also a man dressed as a bat pursued Commodus for the rest of his life...
Nice 👌
@@hlscultivator6167 thank you kind sir!
And I was here thinking this guy would make a great actor for a younger Joaquin Phoenix Napoleon hah
marcus aurelius had no other options, he knew anything isn’t permanent
Random but I love this look. Those curls and headbands and armor were all so hot
I have trouble believing that because there must have been at least one person Marcus would have trusted enough to carry out his wishes of “precepting” Commodus until he was ready for the throne.That is exactly how Marcus became the Emperor.
Commodus was a bad emperor, but he wasn't that cruel, he fought for tolerance between religions, elevated many slaves to high roles, brought peace after years. He eventually became deeply mistrusting of everyone around him after the first attempts to his life which led him to be pretty paranoid and bloody. A part from that he had a temper, a huge ego and opsession with gladiators. Many believe he sabotaged his opponents when fighting in the arena. He liked to torture the disabled so i'll give you that.
Thanks. I have always wondered about that. Now I am wondering how such a wise and self controlled father could bring up such a rotten spoiled kid.
He might have succeeded as an emperor and general but he failed as a father
It's not always the parent, m8
@@LJ-ej3fv true
He's simply not responsible for the actions of his son. This is what being stoic means.
@Solitude presumably he had some input into his son. Stoic or not.
It was because commodus was the first male heir to a sitting Roman emperor in 100 years.
Sounds more likely. Plus maybe in hopes that commodus’s son and sons’s sons would break the cycle and atleast keep his family (him) on the throne for eons after he dies.
I think at first, Commodus was a decent emperor, but overtime he become more unresponsible
Well could adopt someone who would adopt his son so he had someone who would be emperor until his son was ready. Like. Like others before him or a co emperorship like his father was when he was younger.
His commitment is undeniable. The man himself actually joined our podcast and has shown us a way into his thinking. The time capsule chamber is doing wonders!
If you learned stoicism, it is the love of fate. Amor Fati
Whatever fate puts upon Commodus. It is what fate gives him
Goes the saying "the greatest of men leave behind the weakest of fools".
Marcus Aurelius was a Stoic and believed in accepting fate and necessity, so he may have seen Commodus as his fate.
The one that Marcus Aurelius chose: MAXIMUS.
It’s usually the offsprings of the great monarchs that does them injustice the most.
He jus dropped sum heat
Important fact conveniently ignored: Commodus was already co-emperor with Marcus Aurelius.
But did Marcus really choose him 🤔
A parent's love is either their greatest strength or weakness. Not to call him weak, but Marcus greatest weakness was his hope that his children will not fall prey to the hedonistic pleasures of the empire when they became a part of it.
@@tashadent150weird reply given the question
Right? Yeah, I think the explanation in the movie made more sense. Commodus took what he wanted. That seems to be in keeping with the rest of his reign.
@@jimmy_octane That's what I think and a lot of the history supports it but maybe we'll never know the actual truth of all cultures history
Yes he did. In real life he made his son co-emperor and always took him on campaigns preparing him to rule. He reinstated the male inheritance laws partly for this purpose. That and the fact that he was the only son born to an emperor in a very long time meant that he was always the unquestioned heir.
It's ironic that the greatest philosophical emperor whose teaching we still adhere to this day after 2000 years, was not infallible to basic human instincts..despite being the emperor he choose his son's life instead of future of Rome!!
He chose family over his nation. He may be a great and wise ruler but failed as a father to prepare his son to rule
Somehow a leader choosing his successor almost always seems to turns out to be a bad choice.
Commodus got rid of the advisory committee that Marcus handed down to him. Then turned into an asshole
this Q has literally been on my mind
Marcus Aurelius died at age 58, but so old at this depiction.
I think he was always pretty frail and struggled with his health issues, at least Cassius Dio mentioned something about it.
This must be more historical. This DID NOT happen in the film. At all. It was more maximus was selected for his disinterest in power, and his clear respect for the imperial bloodline... plus his willingness to empower the senate. Commodus was a political dumpster fire and it terrified his father per the film Canon
He literally have the face of a villain
Nero was the worst Roman emperor
Oh yeah.
Elagabalus and caligula : that's cute
Not really
Wrong. Elagabalus was the worst.
Blood is thicker than water
Learn more about Tiberius Claudius Pompeiianus.
He was the exact opposite of his father
A Father's love.
Patriarchy leads human kind to ruin. This is the lesson of history:
We belong in tribes that stay together for life, not marriages.
Love it
No era solo el hijo si no el cenado . Vamos hacer una reunión . Cuál es la fortaleza de un Emperador y su debilidad .
There are spoiled brats today that manipulate their parents. And there was the same back then. It's not too far-fetched to believe that his son forced his father's hand.
Commodes was chosen to be Co-Emperor at age 5 along with his brother. When his brother died Aurelius named Commodus as his successor. The movie was bs and there was no Maximus in the true history of
Bro he didnt choose him he chose maximus
Wrong, comedus only had 1 surviving son.
This doesnt make sense to an extent, Marcus Aurelius must have know Commadus was a cruel and incompentent individual? at a base level it doesnt matter how off the person is, Fathers and Mothers usually know the breath of morality of their Children, there are situations where one of those parents cannot commuicnate that cohertenly or their opinion is not taken serisousl for whatever reason, but a Father or Mother usually know their Children, they might not know if they have Genius or not but they will know the breath of that childs morality. Yet sometimes this how Jesus works in plain sight, a covert method in plain sight, under environmental conditions of duress, he slips his most loved before the demons even know it, its too late. All Glory to our Lord and Savior, JESUS Christ. Yet not to digress, I am still baffled why he chose commodus.
Even Marcus Aurelius with all knowledge could not make his son good man. I guess after all that talk turns out we need God for good morals!
To bad his son commodus tainted his legacy
Not accurate from start to finish.
That's interesting, could you expand on what you are saying please?
What did you expect from an empire of criminals ? An angel ? Fascists never win.
I’m no historian of course, but that doesn’t make sense. I’m quite sure he ruled jointly, with equal power to his father, for about three years (177 to 180). If Marcus Aurelius though that Commodus wasn’t a worthy ruler why make him co-emperor, and not delay his ascension as much as possible?
Stalin was more stoic and based than Aurelius.