Styling a Collected Eastern White Cedar Bonsai, Jan 2017
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- This tree was collected in spring of 2016 and has grow so well, it is ready for it's first styling as a bonsai tree.
Here is the first potting of this tree....
• Potting a Newly Collec...
Nigel been a Sub for awhile, always like the positive attitude. Thank you.
Thank you Robert, it's a hobby that can easily turn negative. I've gone through years of losing trees to weather, insects, diseases and neglect. I've learned to enjoy every tree no matter what stage of development it is in. Life is good when you can enjoy and grow bonsai trees. Many people in the world don't have that luxury.
Great stuff l love cutting and pruning can't wait to see how it recovers
O'Neil 🌴✌🏾
It will be interesting, but after a lot of growing, I think it will look good some day!
How did you keep your voice from trembling? I would have cried. Beautiful tree
The tree is growing well and will be really nice in the future!
Hi Nigel, thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience on bonsai art! Greeting from Italy
Thanks Donato!
you have a lot of personality NIgel, I like that ... people who do and know what you want to do ... congratulations buddy ... hug
Thanks, I'm working on a secret project that you will really like, coming this spring!
I'm already looking forward to it .... I really want to see ... hug
thank you for your videos! I can't wait to see what's going to happen with this one in the summer!
I think it will be a really nice tree some day! Time will tell.
This tree is definitely going to be a very beautiful bonsai. I always wondered if your or other masters trees get damaged or dead! I have not been lucky with mine because of transfers and drastic change of weather.so many things forced me to leave them as they were. Now I am trying to get them in some shape. Yes, it makes me stress free and fills me with positivity and makes me smile. Thanks Nigel for trolling such sweet things.
Regards from India.
I can say that I have had plenty of things go wrong with my trees! One year I lost 60 percent of my trees to boring insects in three days, I have lost trees to disease, weather, rabbits, mice etc. I just try and learn from my disasters and keep on growing!
Love almost all ur videos, have watched almost all the play list in one go and eagerly waiting for new uploads with updates.
The tree will get some more work done to it this winter, stay tuned!
Great stuff, Nigel. True inspiration.
Thanks you Jr.
Hello again Nigel - i just left a message on the earlier video of this tree. It's absolutely fantastic to follow you and the trees. Thank you - please, if you find the time, keep us updated on this beauty :)
I will Peter, I am just letting the tree grow right now and it is growing well! I have lots more work coming up on the tree and I'll show it in an update soon.
Do you have a current picture of this one and how it’s doing now?
Nice work, really like videos like this one
Thank you!
Nice speciment. After the prunic you can see the potential. Nice deadwood option
love that saw
It's a special one, I carved the handle!
impressive!
I also collected some Western Red Cedars this Spring. I have kept the trees in the shade with good indirect light but in three months time (its now July) they have all become brown like yours. The foliage is still supple. Yours has turned brown because of dormancy and cooler temperatures. As a novice there are so many variables. I use great draining substrate, I water each morning, we are not experiencing particularly hot weather (mid 70's), no full sun, I fertilize each week with a 20% solution fertilizer...Any ideas why mine have turned brown?
This tree is looking really good this year, but it still has a long way to go!!!
Very cool Nigel that is a very nice collected specimen. I love the truck width and shape hopefully the smaller branch at the top will taper with the trunk in the future and give it a nice transition from canopy to trunk look
Thanks, some growing to go, but the potential is there!
Hello Nigel, I've been enjoying your RUclips tutorials for couple years now. I always look forward to the next one. I am a big fan of green Island ficus, I find them to be very hearty indoors. Do you by chance have any and if so would you ever include them in one of your vlogs?
Hello Robert, I do have a green island ficus that i have grow from a small cutting. I will feature the tree in an upcoming video soon. It is a great little tree, I can see why you are a fan!
I've recently located some good cedar trees that I too plan to dig up come early spring. An update to this tree is definitely one id love to see! (Apparently many others would like to see as well haha.) Great work
I will be coming this winter, the tree is doing really well!
What will you do with the thick original cut off point when it was in the ground
I'm hoping to grow the trunks up around the sawed off part and carve a natural looking jin from the dead stump.
I know you prefer to clip and grow Nigel, however if you chose to, would it have been a good time to wire the tree too??
Yes, winter is a really good time to work on your dormant trees, wiring and pruning. If you intend to re pot the tree in spring, I would hold off any major work to the tree until the next year. It's not good to do too much to the trees all at once!
Nice tree!
Thanks Ben, it's off to a good start!
Nice video. I had to scream 'no, no, no' several times when you cut off the first of those two branches. But it looked lovely at the end :))))))
I thought about it a lot and looked into styling ideas that included the large branches. In the end I decided they were just too big and too low to make a tree from what I had. I'll concentrate on growing the top of the tree to make a tree out of a stump.
I admire what you do. Thank you :)
Hey Nigel,
I am thinking about buying a cedar from a nursery. The trees they have are more bush like and not really tree shaped. If I would buy one, what features should I look for? A big trunk or lots of branching? And should I repot it directly to a bonsai pot with some bonsai soil or should I first do som pruning? I have some good options of both cedars and junipers but all of them are more bushes than trees, but I need some guidance for making bonsais from nursery bushes.
Thanks!
The trees grown in the nurseries, usually have a nice fine root system developed. You should be able to re pot it with no problems this time of year. It is best to look for a tree that has a nice tapered trunk with lots of fine branching. Any branches that are getting over half the diameter of the trunk will probably need to be removed if you want to shape the tree in a natural style. I would try and get some of the major problems with the roots sorted out, Try to remove any large roots that are growing straight down or are coiling around the pot. You will need to leave enough finer roots to keep the tree alive. I wouldn't worry too much about pot size at first until you get the root base close to shape. You need to keep enough foliage on the tree to keep it growing well also. If you take too much green off the tree, it may weaken and slowly die.
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Hi Nigel , I already love the improvement after this pruning. I think the tee will look fantastic. How are the desert ash faring in your winter? Cheers mandie
They are growing well, we haven't had much sun this winter so they are starting to grow long and spindly. Some are beginning to flop over in the pot. Hopefully February will be sunnier! They have three sets of leaves on them now. I'm taking good care of your babies! Thanks Mandie!
Nigel can we see an update video for this tree this year please :)
I will definitely be updating it this year! It is growing well so far!
What a beatiful tree! :-)
Thank you, I think it will continue to improve with time, it has a good start.
"Do something green today"
Yeah Nighel, i will do - as always :)
Good stuff!
Great!
Thanks Greg!
Nigel if you could only work on one species for the rest of your days, which would it be?
Wow , what a tough question! I find the tropical trees more stress free to grow, winter is always tough here on the hardy trees. The weather can go up and down so much in winter and spring. The tropical trees just stay inside until the weather turns nice! I think the Ficus microcarpa is my favorite, it's got the cool potential for an awesome root base, aerial roots and they back bud really well when cut back. I find them very predictable and they can grow as fast or slow as you want them to. My favorite hardy tree would be the Larch. The seasonal changes make the tree interesting all year long. I do like all species of trees, they each have their own merits. I think having a variety of trees keeps the hobby interesting and very challenging.
never seen you use sealant after you cut your trees do you do that off camera or is it not realy needed?
I don't use sealant much and if I do it's only on trees that are fleshy and may dry out and die back. I use regular white glue on these. It only lasts a about a week before it washes away. The jury is out on whether cut paste is good or bad and it may depend on the tree and your climate.....
bonsaibark.com/2012/04/25/cut-paste-versus-natural-healing/
ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t9932-wound-sealant-cut-paste-etc-experiences-advice-and-what-not-to-do
thank you for responding so quicky, it wad realy helpful
Another great video. Just a question. Why did you remove the top of the tree? At first I thought you want to let it grow so that the wound (from the previous structural pruning) would heal over.
The top is very vigorous , clipping the top off will get a little more vigor to the lower branches. This will just help equalize the balance a bit.
Nigel, do you think that portulacaria afra could be used to mimic an African acacia tree - and not be too big of a tree? (Something like you did with your serrisa).
Hi ! i enjoy for most all of your videos and I saw a great experience and sincerely I share your opinion about to not much wiring Bonsai, because in most of the cases produce a lot of wounds which are not healing in time so, the aspect of Bonsai is compromised ! I like to let my Bonsai to grow naturally and only if it's absolute necessary I wire them ! Now I have a question for you : I have a couple of outdoor Bonsai : Junipers, Japanese White Pines, Cotoneaster, Rhododendron, Metasequoia and Olive which now are in my cold Green House because it's a lot of rain, moisture and temperature outside is about 1 Celsius degree and sometimes the wind blowing with force !!! It's correct to put all these Bonsai in the Green House where the temperature is 3 Celsius degrees and it's almost constantly ???
It is best to either keep your trees frozen over the winter without thawing on milder days, or keep them always just slightly above freezing for the winter. If you keep them in a greenhouse, be sure to watch the temperature inside. Mine can get very warm on a sunny winter day and the plants may start to break their dormancy. It is best to keep the greenhouse shaded for the winter to keep the light out. This will keep your temperature down and the trees will be shielded from the wind. You can put a solid plastic cover over the roof for winter and remove it in spring.
thats a neat little tree you got there
Thanks you Schwaehn!
love your videos Nigel
Thank you!
we only want what's best for Nigel
we only want what's best for him...
hey Nigel I'm just about to start some Japanese maple from seed do you have any tips or pointers for success ,, I live in nz so it's not as cold in winter as Japan so do I need the fridge to simulate the weather
Nigel's happy!ruclips.net/video/AiIlcew-GVM/видео.html
I would place your maple seeds in the fridge for 6 weeks and then plant. If you have a lot of seeds, you can try planting some now and see how it goes. With seeds you just never know what's going to happen!
Nigel Saunders
thanks I just wanted some conformation from some one I feel knows there stuff😁
Hello Nigel
Great video. I would like to know if the branches you trimmed off the cedar could be used as cuttings to start another cedar bonsai. Thanks Irvin
I have gotten Thuja cuttings to root, they barely stay alive the first summer, but then the next spring they start to grow well. I planted my cuttings early July. I planted my cuttings in a large tub and place them outside in full sun. The tub protects the cuttings from the wind and the sun most of the day. They only get full sun for a couple of hours when the sun is directly overhead. Grow them in bonsai soil and water them well. Be sure the tub has good drainage.
I've been experimenting with turning small cypress and juniper nursery trees into bonsai. Rather than rush them into bonsai pots I've gone the other way and gone one pot size up into pond baskets, the soil I'm using is equal parts john innes number 2, potting grit and vermiculite. Might this be too water retentive? I live in the north of the UK so not a dry climate by any means!
I think the pond baskets will help keep the soil at a better humidity level than a pot, but English weather may keep them a little too water logged. If the soil was sifted to remove the fine particles, it should be OK. You can always move the trees out of the rain is you think they are staying too wet for too long also.
Thanks. I always seem to stress that the soil doesn't drain well enough, however when you buy the plants in perfectly good health and take them from the pot, the soil they are in always seems pretty damp. I'll keep them in the baskets as long as they seem happy and make sure I sift the soil next time they're re-potted, maybe into a smaller pot
Good watering is the key, let your soil just start to dry out and then water thoroughly!
Thanks man, I'll subscribe. Great videos
Hi Nigel, I love your videos. In fact, you are the one who finally convinced me to take up bonsai as a hobby. Recently I decided to try my patience and start growing a few trees from seeds but I am running in to a problem. One of the trees I picked was a delonix regia simply because of how quickly they grow, however this is the first fern-like tree I am caring for and I am unsure how I am supposed to prune this type of tree tree and if I should defoliate it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.
Hello Ryan, an excellent pick for bonsai tree! Here is an article that might help you out. I have no practical experience growing them, so I hate to offer any advice. I hope your trees grow well!
thebalconygardening.blogspot.ca/2011/03/how-to-grow-royal-poinciana-bonsai-from.html
ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t13814-royal-poinciana-bonsai-project
bonsaistudygroup.com/tropical-bonsai-discussion/delonix-regia-aka-royal-poinciana/
Thank you very much for the articles! I looked everywhere and couldn't find any good ones so I figured you'd know the right places to look. Keep up the great work, Nigel!
Hi Nigel! Any updates on this tree as of 2018? Thrilled to see how it has developed over the last year!
How about now . Is this tree still alive and well
Kindly show us an update of this tree in one of your next videos.
I will, it has been a while. The tree is growing really well!
thanks
how to sharpen bonsai cutter??
It's coming!!!
Hi Nigel, id love to get in to bonsai but i dont have that much experience in plants or trees. I have read quite much though. I live in Sweden so i guess the climate is pretty much like yours. I just wanted some tips on how i should start haha. Maybe what trees are good for beginners, if i should go for indoor or outdoor trees and maybe some good reading. Just some startup hints that could help me. Id love your help and really like your videos and your view on the art of bonsai.
Hello Gage Dee, I would start off with a Ficus microcarpa, they can become a great tree with aerial roots and a large canopy. The tree can be kept outdoors in the summer and then brought indoors for your winter. Be sure to have a nice South facing window to keep your tree near for winter, the more light, the better they will grow. Be sure to grow your tree in a nice free draining bonsai soil, keeping the roots happy is half the battle! Good luck and let me know if you have more questions.
When is the best time to prune larch trees?
I like to wait until the buds become active in spring to do my structural pruning. This way you know what parts are alive on the tree and which parts are dead. The shoots that extend can be pruned shorter anytime the tree becomes shaggy looking. Always leave some green foliage at the end of the branches.Here is a video of me pruning May 4th.....
ruclips.net/video/TCy8lMMQYLE/видео.html
Thank you!
It turned out much more beautiful after cutting those two big branches. I violently shaking my head in disapproval while you were cutting those branches off, until it got be more beautiful tree without them. I was a thing I wound never do though. Is the little guy doing well?
It is growing really well, it has some more root work to be done, but it is just growing right now for the summer. I'm really looking forward to it's future development. Good growth means I can do more work to the tree! I'll post an update soon.
Beautiful
The tree grew well this year. The most important item that needs work is the roots. I will be doing more pruning this spring to try and remove some of the thicker roots and remove the roots that are a little high in the root plane. It will be important to get the roots sorted out to give the tree the look of a giant!
Awesome progress, loved the update. What are your views on the wound paste for large branch cuts? I've never heard you talk about it. I like your old school rogue bonsai styles. No gimmicks just straight trees!
I like the white glue as cut paste, it seals the wound just long enough to stop the area from drying out until the tree starts to heal. It just washes away with time. There is much debate about sealing wounds and I expect it will never stop. The people who sell cut paste will have an opinion, the people who buy cut paste will have an opinion, the people who don't use it will have an opinion. The people we should be listening to are the scientists, they shouldn't have opinions, just straight facts!
ofbonsai.org/the-last-page/editorials/debunking-the-myths-of-bonsai
Great video. I have been slowly getting in to Bonsais over the last 3 years and only found your videos over the last past year but I really appreciate your insight and demonstrations. Very helpful for a fellow Canadian. Do you have ever used a Boxwood Tree for bonsai?
Hello Eric, hows it going eh? I have a boxwood tree growing (very slowly) in the front garden! It will become a bonsai tree some day, just waiting for it to get a bit bigger. Boxwood make a really nice bonsai!
How much do these trees gain in value each year?
People don't pay very much for a bonsai tree unless it is almost show worthy. It is only a bonsai person that sees the potential in an unfinished tree and most bonsai people I know have too many trees already! I enjoy the subtle changes the tree makes each year, and that is priceless to me!
Awesome looking tree, the trunk, and the exposed roots have a lot of character! Great work Nigel! You really inspire me to do more with my trees! I don't think a white cedar would survive in Florida though! Love all your videos on your ficus's, they really are my favorite material to work with, I have 14 ficus benghalenisis that I've started from seed, I have access to a fresh source, would you be interested in some seeds?
I've been checking the import laws with seeds, seems I have to but certified seeds that are free of any harmful effects. I think I better just buy them on line so no one gets in trouble. Thanks, I really appreciate the offer! You guys have the bald cypress that we don't see around here!
Hey Mr. Saunders. I've recently found your videos. I very much enjoy them. I can't wait to start my first Bonsai. I have a question. I really really love a succulent known as a Madagascar palm. Are you familiar with those? Its not a palm tree, but very similar. Do you think I would be able to turn that into a bonsai successfully? Not sure if because it is a succulent if that would be a good idea or not? BTW I absolutely love love love your birch forest. I don't think it could be anymore perfect. I hope to learn even more through your videos. Thanks Nigel!
I think it would make a great bonsai, they seem to have no problem branching and they naturally grow into a tree form in nature. Your cuttings could all be planted into a nice desert forest someday!
Thanks. Can't wait for these seeds to grow. I also found 3 little baby pine trees all ttogether in the woods. I think they are way to close together they are up against each other literally. I'm going to take one of them and try for a pine bonsai as it is the perfect size where I can still watch it grow. Do you have any tips on when that should be done? I'm in Louisville Kentucky. Should I wait until the weather warms up a little bit or do you think it would be okay to dig up a baby pine in the winter. The leaves on all 3 are red as well. Not sure if they are very healthy as it is, and do not want to cause to much stress
Great video Nigel. When is the best time to collect trees? I’m from Maryland by the way
The best time for deciduous trees is in spring after the buds have swelled, but before the leaves begin to emerge. Coniferous trees should be collected a little later, when you first start to see signs of new growth. You will see the new growing tips turning a bright green.
Nigel Saunders, The Bonsai Zone thanks!
That saw is so you !!
I carved the handle myself!
Can you make some juniper videos? I would love to see more natural styles instead of wiring them like most juniper videos.
I only have one Juniper! I'll have to look around the nurseries this year and try and get some, I don't no why I don't have more!
This tree looks much like the cypress trees I see in the Louisiana bayous
Yes it does. I am growing the tree to thicken up the upright trunks this summer. They are growing really well!
Nigel... I can see myself swing from that big branch... bet you could rig up a scale swing???
LoL or not!!
Update?
This tree is growing well. I haven't done any work to it yet as it has a lot of growing to do. It may be several years before I do more styling to it, but I will include it in an update!
Nigel I have followed your video's for about a year. I do find them interesting and will continue to follow you. I have heard your explanation for not wiring your trees. I don't do bonsai although I have thought that I might want to try it. What I am writing about is an observation I have made watching your videos. Sometimes is is painful for me to watch you take a healthy tree---plant---whatever you are working on that healthy and beautiful turned into a stalk, an ugly stalk at that! I realize that you are the master here and of course you see the results as positive but it is hard to watch at times.......I think to myself, "that limb is just fine....why the **** is he cutting it off......why do all the leaves have to go????????? Perhaps you see wiring as artificial and not your style but those trees seem to have a lot more leaves left on them and don't look like a plucked chickens after they are done. Of course this is an observation of someone who grows plants and is not an expert on bonsai so if I offend please accept my apology. Thank you Gary Dyarman
Hello Gary, bonsai is far from a natural process, but my concept of bonsai is to create a natural looking tree. I have no problem with wiring a tree to shape, but far too often, the natural growing characteristics of the species of tree is lost by wiring a tree to a form that you don't see in the full size tree. I am in the process of growing my trees to form. My trees are far from a finished bonsai. The closer you get towards a finished tree the less extreme the work you need to do to the tree. In the end you are just doing maintenance type pruning and pinching. All the hard pruning to get taper and structure to the main branches of the tree is the painful part to watch. Most bonsai videos just involve styling an existing tree to make the best bonsai you can with it in one sitting. It gives the illusion of instant bonsai. All the behind the scenes work that I do is usually done by a pre-bonsai nursery. These operations are hardly ever shown as most people involved in bonsai have access to good pre-bonsai or good collected raw materials. Some of my trees are starting to get towards a more finished stage and you will see that the work gets less extreme. Bonsai are never actually finished, but when the design intent is realized, it is more refinement work from then on. Hopefully you will see less cutting and more detail work in the up coming years as the trees progress.
Drinking game, take a shot everytime he says branches
Ha!
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我将增长所有的分支和结构在上部，只是保持树干不变。这是在加拿大在老生长森林找到的高雪松树样式。我不喜欢删除所有的下部分支，但有些是太厚，相比树干，其余的太低到地面。
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Who heard the fart?😂
nigel i m from india and i really like your vedios .... need your mail id so that i can send you my bonsai pics and get some guidence from you
You can email me at.....
thekwbonsaisociety@gmail.com
Nigel Saunders thanks
have mailed you ....pls check and revert
damn that trunk is sexy!
Yes, it has some nice fluted ridges coming up from the roots, I'm looking forward to growing it into a nice tree.
Dead branch is looks smoother and more natural than crater like this.
I'm hoping that the wound will heal over in a few years. A dead branch sticking out would be against the look of a tall mature Cedar tree. They need a tall clean trunk down low and then all the live and dead branches up top in the canopy.
Nigel Saunders, The Bonsai Zone That's a rather narrow view.
Nigel Saunders, The Bonsai Zone There are many Cedars with deadwood at the bottom.
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