TDR plugins are something else. One trick that I love to use in mastering for clients (when the low end needs some extension) is the Phi hidden trick inside Slick EQ Mastering Edition using ctrl+shift+hp On.
TDR Kotelnikov GE is not a multiband compressor, but a band selective compressor. There's a difference. In multiband compression, we have crossovers between frequencies that can be controlled, and this is usually a problem because they introduce always a phase shift in the signal. Band selective compressors, however, don't suffer of the same issue. Another example of such compression often used in mastering is the Weiss DS1-MK3 hardware compressor (there's also a plugin). The difference is that the Weiss acts as a limiter / de-esser rather than a compressor, but maybe the Kotelnikov can be also set similarly by ramping up the attack speed to maximum.
Kotelnikov GE is a full band compressor and it's not "band selective" in the same way that the Weiss DS1 is. Kotelnikov reacts to the full signal (apart from the SC high pass) but can have different ratios at different frequencies. That's the topic of the video. "Band selective" is what Weiss calls the DS1, and that is indeed a multiband compressor. It has hi/low/band-pass filters to split the signal into separate bands and can apply dynamic processing to one of the bands. The filters are linear phase so no phase shift is introduced, although there is pre/post ringing. It can also be used as a full band compressor or limiter, and it has a separate peak limiter at the end. Multiband compressors, deessers, dynamic EQs and plugins like Kotelnikov GE are all different but also quite similar. The main differences are the shapes and sizes of the frequency areas that are being processed, what is being fed into the sidechain(s) and how the sidechain(s) react. /Thomas
Yes, it really is useful. It’s one of those tools that really adds functionality to the mastering chain I think. Glad you liked it. Thank you for taking the time to update. /Sofia
Really informative video and wonderful channel, Sofia. I glad I found it! Insta sub! Also, I don't think there's anything exactly alike the Frequency Dependent Ratio in Kotelnikov but I know Sculpt and Pro-C 2 have really flexible sidechain capabilities that can suffice in most cases.
@@bodanerius I believe it is altering the ratio in different parts of the frequency spectrum. So it actually compresses less of the bass in this instance. Eg: 1:1 on bass 4:1 on mids and highs and inbetween is varying from 1:1, 2:1, 3:1 to 4:1. Hope this makes sense? 🤷🏾♂️
@@molandsonsmotors9690 compressors generally have 1 ratio 4:1 etc. Kotelnikov has a variable ratio which you select for a range of frequencies. In this instance the bass area had a 1:1 ratio and upper mids / highs have a 2:1 ratio. So the bass doesn't get compressed. Pretty genius actually and it's not the same as a multi and compressor, it's quite unique.
Tone Projects Unisum has a multiband sidechain while being a single band compressor. You can tweak threshold, ratio and RMS speed / Peak influence (Peak Crest on Kotelnikov) per band and they will influence how the compression acts on the audio path. That allows you to implement this technique while also having control on the speed of the detector for each band. Really powerful and it sounds very musical. I love both, tend to reach for Kotelnikov for faster attack times and Unisum for slower ones. Most times both in combination.
Thanks for sharing this video! I'd never heard of this trick before. I would've been curious to find out how this would compare to simply EQing the sidechain signal. Is that what the "low frequency relax" feature does? I've no experience with the Kotelnikov as of this moment, I don't think I've heard of other compressors with this feature set, or at least that presents it in this way.
Cool trick! Just curious how this is different from using a low SC filter though? I.e. the Low Freq Relax feature. I'm just there's a difference, i just need to hear the explanation
This is not a hpf in the sidechain. This is a variable ratio. The bass is a 1:1 ratio mids and highs are a 2:1 ratio. It is literally not compressing the bass. You are correct in the misconception of a high pass internal sidechain, but that is not this. The variable ratio is unique to Kotelnikov, you can't compare it to other full band compressors.
@@frankharley442 you can choose what ratio curve you want. Compress more bass, less bass, only mids etc. The compression is still triggered by the whole signal but only compresses a certain frequency range, basically the opposite of a sidechain EQ which compresses the whole signal triggered by part of the signal.
another cool trick with the frequency dependant ratio is using the equal loudness curve for mixes where the vocal is too loud or quiet
TDR plugins are something else.
One trick that I love to use in mastering for clients (when the low end needs some extension) is the Phi hidden trick inside Slick EQ Mastering Edition using ctrl+shift+hp On.
Interesting! The slick EQ is on our radar, maybe we have to start using it now and try that little trick ☺️thanks for sharing! /Sofia
This is great information, thank you
thanks for sharing this and for all your great educational work
Love this channel
Excellent information Sofia. I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge. Thank you.
You’re welcome! ☀️ Nice to have you here! ⭐️ /Sofia
TDR Kotelnikov GE is not a multiband compressor, but a band selective compressor. There's a difference. In multiband compression, we have crossovers between frequencies that can be controlled, and this is usually a problem because they introduce always a phase shift in the signal. Band selective compressors, however, don't suffer of the same issue. Another example of such compression often used in mastering is the Weiss DS1-MK3 hardware compressor
(there's also a plugin). The difference is that the Weiss acts as a limiter / de-esser rather than a compressor, but maybe the Kotelnikov can be also set similarly by ramping up the attack speed to maximum.
Kotelnikov GE is a full band compressor and it's not "band selective" in the same way that the Weiss DS1 is. Kotelnikov reacts to the full signal (apart from the SC high pass) but can have different ratios at different frequencies. That's the topic of the video.
"Band selective" is what Weiss calls the DS1, and that is indeed a multiband compressor. It has hi/low/band-pass filters to split the signal into separate bands and can apply dynamic processing to one of the bands. The filters are linear phase so no phase shift is introduced, although there is pre/post ringing. It can also be used as a full band compressor or limiter, and it has a separate peak limiter at the end.
Multiband compressors, deessers, dynamic EQs and plugins like Kotelnikov GE are all different but also quite similar. The main differences are the shapes and sizes of the frequency areas that are being processed, what is being fed into the sidechain(s) and how the sidechain(s) react.
/Thomas
Thanks very much Sofia! Very helpful as usual. I’ll try this with Kotelnikov.
Let us know what you think! ☀️ /Sofia
I like the effect on the low end. Retains more of the bass achieved in the mixing stage! This is a great mastering compressor.
Yes, it really is useful. It’s one of those tools that really adds functionality to the mastering chain I think. Glad you liked it. Thank you for taking the time to update. /Sofia
I melt listening to the voiceover with that accent! 🤩
Both of their's
Awesome as usual. Thanks for sharing!
Excellent tip! Thanks!
Tack Sofia!
Really informative video and wonderful channel, Sofia. I glad I found it! Insta sub! Also, I don't think there's anything exactly alike the Frequency Dependent Ratio in Kotelnikov but I know Sculpt and Pro-C 2 have really flexible sidechain capabilities that can suffice in most cases.
Thank you and welcome! ☀️Thank you for the tips! 👌 /Sofia
Thanks for the tips. I think Unisum from Tone Projects do that with more options, you have to try this compressor, amazing on any source!
That’s great to know! We really have to try that one, it has definitely been on our radar. Thank you for the info! ☀️☺️ /Sofia
Yesss!! Great video! Great advice and techniques
Thank you! ☀️ /Sofia
Thanks for a super tip
Have you used this trick before? Do you know about any other compressors that can do this? Please share with us!
Is the TDR GE EQ-ing the sidchain signal? Or doing emphasis/de-enphasis EQ? Or something else entirely?
As far as I know it is filtering the delta signal. /Sofia
@@bodanerius I believe it is altering the ratio in different parts of the frequency spectrum. So it actually compresses less of the bass in this instance. Eg: 1:1 on bass 4:1 on mids and highs and inbetween is varying from 1:1, 2:1, 3:1 to 4:1. Hope this makes sense? 🤷🏾♂️
@@molandsonsmotors9690 compressors generally have 1 ratio 4:1 etc. Kotelnikov has a variable ratio which you select for a range of frequencies. In this instance the bass area had a 1:1 ratio and upper mids / highs have a 2:1 ratio. So the bass doesn't get compressed. Pretty genius actually and it's not the same as a multi and compressor, it's quite unique.
Tone Projects Unisum has a multiband sidechain while being a single band compressor. You can tweak threshold, ratio and RMS speed / Peak influence (Peak Crest on Kotelnikov) per band and they will influence how the compression acts on the audio path. That allows you to implement this technique while also having control on the speed of the detector for each band. Really powerful and it sounds very musical. I love both, tend to reach for Kotelnikov for faster attack times and Unisum for slower ones. Most times both in combination.
A video on some multiplicity uses please!
I like this idea, we can do that ☀️ /Sofia
Thank you for sharing your findings!) Very useful information!
excellent!!!!
Thanks for sharing this video! I'd never heard of this trick before. I would've been curious to find out how this would compare to simply EQing the sidechain signal. Is that what the "low frequency relax" feature does? I've no experience with the Kotelnikov as of this moment, I don't think I've heard of other compressors with this feature set, or at least that presents it in this way.
Cool trick! Just curious how this is different from using a low SC filter though? I.e. the Low Freq Relax feature. I'm just there's a difference, i just need to hear the explanation
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Since its a wide band compressor the low end will still get compressed. gain reduction will lower every thing passing through. It's not multiband
This is not a hpf in the sidechain. This is a variable ratio. The bass is a 1:1 ratio mids and highs are a 2:1 ratio. It is literally not compressing the bass. You are correct in the misconception of a high pass internal sidechain, but that is not this. The variable ratio is unique to Kotelnikov, you can't compare it to other full band compressors.
@@NoQualmsTheArtist So if the bass was at 3:1 then what?
@@frankharley442 you can choose what ratio curve you want. Compress more bass, less bass, only mids etc. The compression is still triggered by the whole signal but only compresses a certain frequency range, basically the opposite of a sidechain EQ which compresses the whole signal triggered by part of the signal.
I am a novice. Does this compressor do upwards compression as well? Do you do upwards compression during mastering?
Can we do this same with Maximus in FL Studio stock plugin.
I have never used FL Studio, maybe someone will know the answer 🙃 /Sofia
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I must be tone death, really don’t hear a difference