Thank you for sharing this. It's like getting a lesson for free! You are very generous in sharing your personal approach and how you deal with advanced lead playing concepts. Such mastery. This is so useful to so many! Keep up the great work, and thank you!
Hmm. sounds like what you call "small aperture" is coming across as compact sound. Faddis, Snooky, Roger all play with a compact sound. Maynard- who did not play lead by the way, had the open sound. The compact sound travels farther, but doesn't spread as much. So your section mates might think you are softer- but from out front your sound is burying them.
Well depicted my friend! We are exactly on the same page. In my mind, I have a spectrum of sounds with different aperture openings. I used to analyze the sounds of the greats and pretend to be them. I have developed to hear the mouthpiece cup depth in their sounds as well. Some of the big aperture end of the spectrum is Byron Stripling, Gary Grant, Wayne Bergeron, and the small smaller approaches are the guys you mentioned and I would add Paul Stephens, Nick Marchione, Arturo Sandoval to the smaller side. And I can usually put everyone else is in between, but I have hard time categorizing some sounds. Guys like Eric Miyashiro and Brian MacDonald. It must be the small approach, yet the sound spreads. In other words, their sounds don’t make sense to me. It’s a fat sizzle, if you know what I mean. Aperture size difference is apparent in jazz trumpet players as well. Bigger apertures are Clifford Brown, Woody Shaw, Nicholas Payton, small apertures are Dizzy Gillespie, Red Rodney, Sean Jones. The bigger aperture approach is harder to be musical from my experience, because instead of the ease and the fluidity, it’s like thick brick for each slot. Also takes a lot of energy to produce a big lead sound with the large opening. It’s best to be able to adjust, but like I said, I have hard time going back and forth. So, the big approach is not the most efficient, but for me, the sound is definitely worth the effort. Once I got hip to the grip, it’s hard to go back!
When using the big aperture you'll have better success if you relied on your embouchure corners instead of using pressure. This video from Myster to Mastery may help: Trumpet Chat 5 - How to control your Aperture Corners for playing high notes on the trumpet
Oh yeah, Gregg Spence! It’s a good source. Keep in mind though, that concepts are not about right or wrong. You often have to accept what you gravitate towards, which is usual whatever that comes easily to you. Or go against it. Which is fun too.
@@KazTrumpet Yeah, but using too much pressure keeps you from being able to properly use your corners the way you need to in order to play with the more open aperture... Up to you if you want to follow the advice or not - but I've been where you are. Regardless - I really enjoyed the video and wish you good luck on your journey!
Kaz, I can't tell if you are pinning the lips open on your big aperture approach. If not, it might work for you to do that. Charlie Porter describes this way of forming an embouchure by pinning the lips in an open position. You can check out his video here: ruclips.net/video/lLE_-ly8hrQ/видео.html
In general, for me, a bigger aperture will feel like air passes through with little resistance. Small aperture will feel like there is more resistance and the air does not passes through as much. (A little bit chokey). The tendency when missing notes is, I undershoot with bigger aperture, and overshoot with the small aperture.
@@KazTrumpet so you don't know that your aperture is actually bigger or smaller. Is it correct that you've never actually measured it or even seen it while playing a trumpet? While the aperture will change on a given note at different volume levels, what you're proposing is that it's even possible to play for example a high C at the same volume with more than one size aperture with no actual data or measurement to go by.
Right. I didn’t use the tools necessary to measure the difference of the openings. I wouldn’t use this video as a reliable source of data for your scientific papers. If you are a player, experimenting with this concept may be interesting. If you are curious to what actually goes on inside my mouth, I will say this, but you have to take my word for it. If I were to X-ray my mouth, the distance between the top and the bottom teeth will be different. Bigger aperture will have a larger distance and smaller aperture will have a smaller distance. The feeling of the lips will play a big role when it comes to how much one can open up. The difference is minuscule and can only be felt by the player, but how much you can open up and still make a sound will depend on how thick their lips feel.
I share what I know and what has worked for me. That’s all I can do. The receiver of the information has the power in deciding what to take in. You will find more and more contradicting arguments when you get deeply into the concepts of trumpet playing... I know, I feel your frustration. The more information that are being shared, the more you have to filter it yourself. Eventually, everything you have taken in will merge and becomes your own. You will have your own stuff to share, then. You seem like an analytical person just like me. I love thinking about this stuff. But at the end of the day, we’re players, so concepts alone won’t do us any good. Its best to put it to practice and experiment with it. Don’t let it discourage you. Best of luck.
Thank you for sharing this. It's like getting a lesson for free! You are very generous in sharing your personal approach and how you deal with advanced lead playing concepts. Such mastery. This is so useful to so many! Keep up the great work, and thank you!
It's really cool noticing the difference in styles in the pressure circles left on your lips, after you play.
Thats really great info I've always noticed the difference between days and never realized an aperture size would cause such a huge difference.
Hmm. sounds like what you call "small aperture" is coming across as compact sound. Faddis, Snooky, Roger all play with a compact sound. Maynard- who did not play lead by the way, had the open sound. The compact sound travels farther, but doesn't spread as much. So your section mates might think you are softer- but from out front your sound is burying them.
Well depicted my friend! We are exactly on the same page. In my mind, I have a spectrum of sounds with different aperture openings. I used to analyze the sounds of the greats and pretend to be them. I have developed to hear the mouthpiece cup depth in their sounds as well.
Some of the big aperture end of the spectrum is Byron Stripling, Gary Grant, Wayne Bergeron, and the small smaller approaches are the guys you mentioned and I would add Paul Stephens, Nick Marchione, Arturo Sandoval to the smaller side. And I can usually put everyone else is in between, but I have hard time categorizing some sounds. Guys like Eric Miyashiro and Brian MacDonald. It must be the small approach, yet the sound spreads. In other words, their sounds don’t make sense to me. It’s a fat sizzle, if you know what I mean.
Aperture size difference is apparent in jazz trumpet players as well. Bigger apertures are Clifford Brown, Woody Shaw, Nicholas Payton, small apertures are Dizzy Gillespie, Red Rodney, Sean Jones.
The bigger aperture approach is harder to be musical from my experience, because instead of the ease and the fluidity, it’s like thick brick for each slot. Also takes a lot of energy to produce a big lead sound with the large opening. It’s best to be able to adjust, but like I said, I have hard time going back and forth. So, the big approach is not the most efficient, but for me, the sound is definitely worth the effort. Once I got hip to the grip, it’s hard to go back!
When using the big aperture you'll have better success if you relied on your embouchure corners instead of using pressure. This video from Myster to Mastery may help:
Trumpet Chat 5 - How to control your Aperture Corners for playing high notes on the trumpet
Oh yeah, Gregg Spence! It’s a good source. Keep in mind though, that concepts are not about right or wrong.
You often have to accept what you gravitate towards, which is usual whatever that comes easily to you.
Or go against it. Which is fun too.
@@KazTrumpet Yeah, but using too much pressure keeps you from being able to properly use your corners the way you need to in order to play with the more open aperture... Up to you if you want to follow the advice or not - but I've been where you are. Regardless - I really enjoyed the video and wish you good luck on your journey!
Kaz, I can't tell if you are pinning the lips open on your big aperture approach. If not, it might work for you to do that. Charlie Porter describes this way of forming an embouchure by pinning the lips in an open position. You can check out his video here: ruclips.net/video/lLE_-ly8hrQ/видео.html
How do you know your aperture is bigger/smaller?
In general, for me, a bigger aperture will feel like air passes through with little resistance. Small aperture will feel like there is more resistance and the air does not passes through as much. (A little bit chokey). The tendency when missing notes is, I undershoot with bigger aperture, and overshoot with the small aperture.
@@KazTrumpet so you don't know that your aperture is actually bigger or smaller. Is it correct that you've never actually measured it or even seen it while playing a trumpet? While the aperture will change on a given note at different volume levels, what you're proposing is that it's even possible to play for example a high C at the same volume with more than one size aperture with no actual data or measurement to go by.
Right. I didn’t use the tools necessary to measure the difference of the openings. I wouldn’t use this video as a reliable source of data for your scientific papers. If you are a player, experimenting with this concept may be interesting. If you are curious to what actually goes on inside my mouth, I will say this, but you have to take my word for it. If I were to X-ray my mouth, the distance between the top and the bottom teeth will be different. Bigger aperture will have a larger distance and smaller aperture will have a smaller distance. The feeling of the lips will play a big role when it comes to how much one can open up. The difference is minuscule and can only be felt by the player, but how much you can open up and still make a sound will depend on how thick their lips feel.
I share what I know and what has worked for me. That’s all I can do. The receiver of the information has the power in deciding what to take in. You will find more and more contradicting arguments when you get deeply into the concepts of trumpet playing... I know, I feel your frustration. The more information that are being shared, the more you have to filter it yourself. Eventually, everything you have taken in will merge and becomes your own. You will have your own stuff to share, then. You seem like an analytical person just like me. I love thinking about this stuff. But at the end of the day, we’re players, so concepts alone won’t do us any good. Its best to put it to practice and experiment with it. Don’t let it discourage you. Best of luck.