Smith & Wesson M&P 357 Sig 😎 Old School Still Cool👍
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- Today we are checking out the Smith & Wesson M&P 357 sig.
This is the original M&P old school cool pistol in .357 sig.
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I’m bummed that several police departments as well as the US Secret Service all dumped the .357 Sig for a 9mm. They all made the .357 Sig more expensive for regular owners of the caliber.
I like the 357 Sig allot! ❤❤
Yessir! Its a burner!🔥👍👊🦃
My old department (LA Sheriff and now retired), issued all of us the M&P 1.0 in 9mm. That gun was so unreliable that my department told S&W to replace the guns or they’d go back to beretta or Glock. S&W took all of our 1.0’s back (12,000 of them) and gave us brand new 2.0’s and for a straight trade-back across the board. It was night and day when it came to reliability. The 1.0’s were junk. Now that I’m retired though, I carry the Glock 31, 32 or 33 (all .357Sig). I love that round! 125gr Gold dots.
I own 2 M&Ps. A 2014 era 1.0 M&P bought in 2020. I got a new 2.0 .40 4.25" model in 2021. Added Trijicon HDs, orange: later 2023 added Cerakote Storm(Elite). I bought 2 KKM barrels. 1 9mm & 1 .357sig. I do armed security, 🚔 & tote the 9mm M&P 2.0 more. The .357sig is okay but honestly, I carry .40s or 9x19mm far more.
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The 357 Sig is okay? It unequivocally outperforms both of the calibers you just cited.
Very cool. I love 357 SIG. It would be awesome to find one of those locally. Thank you for the video.
Bravo Turkey! You explained correctly how the .357Sig actually came from a trimmed and crimped 10mm. So many people wrongly believe that it’s a necked down. 40, but that is 100% incorrect. A necked down 40 case would actually be shorter than a .357Sig case.
Claiming the 10mm over the 40S&W as the parent brass of the 357 Sig has always been a pet peeve of mine. I go with how it played out historically.
S&W and Winchester developed a cartridge using the 10mm as the parent brass. Shortened to fit in 9mm sized framed guns and utilizing the common small pistol primer, more than sufficient for the smaller case volume. Four years later, Sig /Federal come out with a shortened, necked down also with a small primer utilizing the 10mm as the parent case to fit in 9mm sized platform known as the 357 Sig. Other than adding a few thousands of an inch to the brass length of a 40S&W, the 357 Sig is a necked down 40S&W. Had the 357 Sig come out before the 40S&W, I would get it.
@@yartp If I read your comment right, you’re saying the .357 Sig is from a 40 case then???? If that’s what you’re saying, you are mistaken. If one tries to neck down a 40 case into a useable a SAFE ..357Sig case, then that would be just as ridiculous and unwise when trying to stretch a .38spl case into a .357 magnum case. Total fail. The 40. Case when necked down, become too short length wise to be a safely workable “.357 Sig case.”
They wanted it to be 40/9 length, but they couldn’t use 40 brass, so they only trimmed the 10 out of convenience. Claiming the 10 as a parent case is misleading…it’s misrepresenting the length of the cartridge.
@@joshuadeanb case thickness if a .40 is too thin, whereas the 10mm brass is thicker. It’s another reason they choose to cut and then neck down the 10mm to make the .357 sig
I reload 357 sig made from 40 cases , I still have all fingers and full face. After the close case examination It is clear that the base of the case and walls are the same thickness and depth. Only difference is that the neck has les tension to hold the bullet but if you are reloading for a while there is no problem.
That's awesome! Being in B'ham Alabama the last 40 years, never knew there was an agency in the state that had adopted the 357 Sig. I would have love to have picked up one of those trade ins.
The 357 sig was scattered around all over the place but not enough places I guess. It's really sad to see it dropped by just about everyone. Keep your eyes peeled and you will stumble on it one day.👊🦃👍
VA state troopers used .357sig. If I recall, Delaware State cops 👮♂️ were the "1st" major agency to buy, field new P229 SIG .357 pistols. Texas DPS & Rangers liked them 🤠.
As far as deleting your safety. I've never done it, a friend of mine did it to his 45. He had an issue after uninstalling it where there was a rattle in the gun. So he tried reinstalling it and the rattle persisted, even though it functioned properly. Granted he's not a gun Smith and probably hasn't done much work on any guns at all even as a novice. I've seen where other people have had the same problem "online of course".
Just checked it. I must have done good👍 But I will give it a really good function check soon😉 Thanks for the info! It was actually a pretty easy process👍🦃👊
I own 2 M&P .40s. 1 1.0 made in 2014, unused S&W gun, bought in Oct 2020. Ambi safety style, factory S&W night sights. My newer, 2.0 .40 M&P. I, by choice strongly dislike ambi M&P safety. It can(and will) flip on or off with a nudge, sit in a car, walk by a doorframe, etc. Annoying 🤨. My 2.0 .40 has no safety & holds up well. A big - was my front Trijicon sight came off, 😏 but I think the gunsmith screwed it up. My 2.0 .40 has after market Storm Cerakote Elite too; slide.
I had one of these and loved it. I sold it to a friend at the start of the pandemic.
I have one of those a g32 and a m&p 2.0 40 cal that i have a 357sig barrel for and after putting around 1k rounds of mixed ammo from range to defensive stuff its only had one stoppage and it was ammo related
Same here pretty much. I've got over 4K rounds and haven't had a single failure to date. I purchased the M&P 2.0 in 40 cal and luckily managed to score an original M&P 1.0 357 Sig barrel for it. I dropped in an Overwatch FALX trigger and couldn't ask for a better concealed-carry self-defense weapon.
That is a cool gun and the star is great, cops don't get cool guns like that now , ergos are perfect on those and high capacity with fierce firepower and light.
In 1998 I bought my first 357sig handgun, it was a Sig SP2340 and I got hooked on that caliber.
I still have that gun and is one of my favorites. Over the years I've been trying to find am M&P in 357sig but haven't found one yet.
I do have an M&P 1.0 Performance Center 40L and I have a 357sig conversion barrel for it. It is a nice shooting gun.
Now days I love the 357sig even more than the 10mm. The 357sig hasn't been water down like most 10mm, is ridiculous how weak some 10mm are been loaded.
Wrong. The .357 Sig 125 grain standard loading should clock 1,450 fps as originally designed. Current standard offerings have been watered down to 1,350 fps.
They bash 40S&W by saying how bad of a round it is while shooting 10MM loaded to 40S&W specs. I have 357 M&P 2.0 with two slides 5'' long and 4.25 . the 5'' has red dot on it and is recoiling very heavy due to a slide mass and red dot mass, 4.25 slide with a KKM 5'' barrel is my best shooting 357sig.
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I've also noticed this, but then again, I have yet to see anyone utilizing the ordinance barrel length (5") and distance from the chronograph/target .... which is 10 feet. Every video I've seen is chrono'd at 15-20 feet with less than a 5" barrel.
it is a nice looking unit for an issue weapon. Prolly the undersheriff's former carry. She's a shooter tho!
I would want this over a Glock 9 any day! These departments are so minimal standard minded.
Oh well🤷♂️ Ill take it!👍🦃👊
357Sig will never go out of style in my opinion ...
Agreed!👍👊🦃
Right up there with 45 gap and 30 stupid carry
If I knew what I knew now. When I first got into the pistol game. Three twenty seven federal. Three fifty seven Sig. 2 of😢 the most underrated Cartridges on the market. Coming from a die hard forty guy
People just dont understand what they are ignoring🤷♂️👍👊🦃
I've long been curious what people are chasing after in pistol rounds.
Are you just wanting higher velocity, more ft lbs of energy, penetration?
And for what purpose?
the main thing i like about your videos is that you don't try to cover over your mistakes. Thank you for great entertainment.
I would like to see a ammo test between 357sig and 357mag with the same bullet weight of 147 grain .
A second that
I will play with it for sure. Im looking at a lot of options for my next projectile run😎 Ill try to keep it interesting🦃👍👊
Gun sam revolver afficianado has done some conparisons. The same bullet travel barrel length. Produces the same velocity. youll never find a 357 sig lever tho
6 foot pounds of kinetic energy less than the full sized .357 Magnum
A 147gr comparison would be cool, but the 357 Sig was engineered to duplicate the 357 Mag at 125gr.
Building a 357Sig using a PSA Dagger frame and a Ramm Tactical Leverage Trigger.
That sounds sweet👍👊🦃
We need a report on that when you get it done.
👍😊 it’s a good caliber, the gun it works .
Heck yeah!👊🦃👍
Nice find! That's awesome!
I really like the concept behind 357 Sig. You did a chronograph video on it a while ago which got me even more interested in it. Last time I looked up the going rate on the ammo, it was hovering at or above $1 per round sometime around the pandemic... interested to see where it sits today.
SIG Sauer or "SIGarms" T&Eed the caliber in the mid 1990s to replicate the 2.5" K frame .357mag ballistics. SIG wanted a improved .40S&W style caliber to fit existing 9x19mm style hand guns like the P226, P229, P224. Plus the now, out dated P2022 model. SIG got many state & federal agency 📂 contracts. Cops & SAs, troopers loved the .357 bullet. As the 1990s & 2000s went on, more PDs shifted to .45acp, .40 or the +P type 9mm. Some got swept up in the 10mm & .45GAP trend.
Love and run the 357 Sig. But I fear the bean-counters have won. So the industry needs something new. I propose a grown man’s version of the 5.7x28, the 7.6x28. With its .391 base diameter (9x19) it will match the 357 Sig case capacity at about 19 grains H2O. Starting load will be a 110 grain Hornady V-Max 😂
Did you get that from the sherif direct? All you said was outlet. I got a couple Aim Surplus LE 40's and plan to get a 357 barrel from KKM this Christmas. If you were a little closer I would bring over my 357 Sig 16" gas AR. Glock mags, short handguard. Light and handy, shoots cast PC bullets simply dreamy. Now that you are necking down, check out the 7.62x25 round. Lots of cool old guns for it. And if you want, you could build an AR or 1911 for it .
Sounds like a cool one😁 And actually found it online on a pretty small site👍🦃👊
They bash 40S&W by saying how bad of a round it is while shooting 10MM loaded to 40S&W specs. I have 357 M&P 2.0 with two slides 5'' long and 4.25 . the 5'' has red dot on it and is recoiling very heavy due to a slide mass and red dot mass, 4.25 slide with a KKM 5'' barrel is my best shooting 357sig.
Great video. Wish I could find an original 357 sig m&p. I am thinking of getting a conversion barrel for my 40 m&p.
Love it! Great review. Not like this but a lot of 40 cal police trade ins out there right now.
Thanks TBP! Yeah, I've seen quite a lot of the 40's lately. The 9mm spell is on everybody👊🦃👍
PDs and state LE want to rotate back to new +P 9mm guns. They hated them & griped; 1980s so in time, they'll grouse & cry 😢 again!
@@DavidLLambertmobile the question is will they actually run +p? I see people all the time argue +p is “just as good” then they run regular 9mm because +p is too expensive or recoils too much. Lol 🤷♂️
GREEEEEEEEAAAAAT GUN! Been a 9mm fanboi have been checking this caliber, one day will be on my hands!
Its a 9🤪 One I actually Like!👊 Ive gotta get the reloading game going better for it. 👍👍👍👍👍🦃👊
I own KKM style barrels in both 9x19mm & .357sig for my 2 duty type M&Ps. Would I suggest a .357sig cal in 2023? No. I'd lean to a 10mm or maybe a trade in .40S&W. The .357sig does hit hard, high KE level, fast vel BUT the big -s are muzzle flash, noise, blast. The FAMs ✈️ used SIG P229s for years but moved away from them.
I bought an M&P 40caliber police trade in once, it was a gen 1 in good shape and performed well. One of the many items that I bought and sold as I was looking about for what suited me best. I would like to get my hands on some 357 sig and give it a try. Thanks for another good video, Turkey!
I own M&P after market KKM stainless steel barrels; 357sig & 9x19mm(converted). I bought a new, M&P .40 1.0 in 2020. A big ⬇️ was a problem with the gun slide rockets forward on its own as you insert a loaded M&P magazine. This was a flaw the PC never really fixed, 2020. Big Blue did replace the 3 dot night sights, flip the mag release(left handed use), brand new old type blue case.
i have that pistol.. and I took all my other M&P and got a 357sig barrel for them.. I did find a 357sig barrel for my M&P shield witch i am very happy to find
Nice! I bet it would be pretty cool out of the shield.👍🦃👊
@@theturkeysopinion yes i love it
Yeah the 357 Sig is " Daddy " to the 9mm
Heck yeah lol👊🦃👍
The parent case is 10mm but it’s been cut down to 40 smith length ( or very close) true 10mm that’s necked down to 9mm is called 9x25 Dillon
Nice info. Thanks!👊🦃👍
I like it!! I just scored a clean mp 2.0 9mm with night sights. Detroit PD trade-in for 300 I love it!!!
Nice! I have a 1.0 Detroit!😎👍👊🦃
I love .357 Sig 🤠
Nice pick up! I am a big fan of the 38 Super. Very similar ballistics and I have a love for the 1911 platform.
357sig is at least 100-150fps faster than 38 super..same grain weight...125 grain...38 super is usually 130 grain but 1250 fps
@kevinrichardson8859 All true, but it is much more expensive, more difficult to reload, and only faster in factory ammo. 38 Super loaded to make major loses nothing to the Sig cartridge except expense.
@@brianmoore1164 it's faster in factory and handloads...as the 357sig operates at a higher pressure!!! Up to 40k psi..AND has a bottleneck and higher case capacity....38 super is not as powerful as 357sig! Maybe easier to reload ...but 357sig is likely more plentiful nowadays
@kevinrichardson8859 Wrong on all fronts. SAAMI pressures are ignored by 38 Super enthusiasts because we know why they were set where they were set. It's a knowledge thing. Yes, for those who don't know better, the 357 sig is more powerful, but that is meaningless. If powerful is all you want, I recommend you purchase a 50 bmg, but it might be difficult to find a holster for.
Interesting cartridge, never had an opportunity to shoot one.
On another note, went to range today and the FN Reflex was flawless through 200.👍
Also picked up a S&W Equalizer Saturday, it was flawless as well.
I did NOT find the Equalizer had less recoil than the Reflex, but both were far better than the Hellcat....
Hmmm, interesting🤔 That Hellcat can rock pretty good with hotter ammo for sure. Glad the 2 were eating them up! Are you liking the Internal Hammer / trigger on the reflex? Thanks for the report! 🦃👍👊👊👊
@@theturkeysopinion I am a 1911 purest, I LOVE the hammer fired trigger on both the Reflex and the S&W Equalizer.👍
i love the police markings!
They are cool😁👍🦃👊
Do not recommend working your trigger unless you know what your doing... That's why I will be vague. Do some work and it will remove the gritty and unnecessary trigger travel plus you can also lighten the poundage pull.
Turkey I love my 1.0 357 Sig I just qualified today again for the third time in New Jersey
That is sweet my Brother!😎👍👊🦃
Did you qualify with the M&P 1.0's horrible trigger or did you drop in a replacement? That trigger is horrendous lol
@@TERMINAL-BALLISTICS Don't you know it apex trigger
My only aversion to 357 sig, is the cost of ammo.
Gotta pay for high performance 🤷♂️
@@kevinrichardson8859 Wrong. You've got to train for high performance.
Truth. Gotta hunt for it. Local rip off had Federal range ammo 50ct for 65! Nuts! But Aim had it for 19😎 👍🦃👊
I found a great online source for many top 🚔 brand calibers, 50rd boxes, $24-39/box. I'm 🤫 about the site but they offer great QC. I buy training rounds when I can. For defense, security work I load Federal HST or Golden Saber bonded. Both have + specs.
False! In my area, you can get a box of 20/25 corbon hollow points for 22 dollars and a box of 50 round fiocchi for 28 dollars. 357 sig cost is way down..
Nice police trade. I like the shield.
Thanks!👍👊🦃
357 Sig is great. So why no Apex trigger?
I had the same question, except .... Why no Overwatch FALX Trigger?😂
At 7:37 is there a crack in the frame by the roll pin by the takedown lever???
Holy crap! You just gave me a scare! Whew, i looked and no lol. The camera angle really makes it look like that but I double checked. Its a contour line.
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My hometown!! Lol
Nice👍👊🦃
357 sig is nice cartridge. i think glock still has 357 sig.
Glock has 33, 31, 32s. I doubt they will put out gen 5s or MOSs.
Cool gun
Thanks! TR308!🦃👍👊
Damn right
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Can you make a video of the Glock 32? That’s my favorite pistol other than my Glock 19 gen 5
Where can I get the smith wesson 357 sig you used in the video
No jelly test!? Awwww. . 😮
We have 2 up and more coming👍👊🦃
I cannot think of any logical reason to choose not to drift the sights for left and right correction.
If sights are centered/zeroed its usually not the gun... it's the shooter. When I rule out shooter, ill consider drifting. But I shoot so many different guns with all sorts of ammo , so I expect to not be perfect on any of them without a fair amount of practice to refresh muscle memory. 👍🦃👊
@@theturkeysopinion if it hits consistently to the right it does not matter if it's the gun or the shooter. just adjust the sights to compensate for whatever the cause is, so it hits consistently in the center. When you bore sight a barrel it is centered. That does not mean a bullet will hit exactly where the bore is pointing. In fact it never works out that way..
Where can i buy a used sig SW ?
@@Hwypatrol2 Gunbroker is a great place. Nonetheless, your absolute best bet for an outstanding M&P 357 Sig, is to get a full size M2.0 40 cal and get either one of the original M&P 357 Sig barrels (extremely hard to find), or an aftermarket barrel. Then drop in either an Overwatch FALX trigger or an Apex and you'll never look back.
I have a original
Try finding reasonable ammo
Reloads😎 I scored a bunch of new brass. And Aim was selling it real cheap last month. Under 20! But yeah, it can be hard!👍👊🦃
I just got one from gunbroker and I love it
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