One more important part of the song is the acoustic home demo included on the “With the Lights Out” box set, also having different lyrics and being about his dependance on Courtney, the last line of the second verse about his relationship being “its another opiate but to me its everything”
The demo is another very interesting element. The original script had me going more in depth into its lyrics rather than just giving it a quick mention near the start of the video, but didn't want to make the video even longer than it already is. Thank you for commenting this, it's another fascinating piece of history that I would advise people look into if they find this video interesting
Heres the issue, I've done same so don't take this as me saying U can't look at lyrics and figure it out, but he did say he's lazy and often finished lyrics last minute and just wrote whatever. But I don't believe this. Ppl like him who write anything usually writes what's going on in their lives is always some part in these writings. Maybe not 100% but we're creatures of habit and we usually spill our emotions out in our art in some way. All I know is his words saved me. Thank you for this Kurt.
02/14/94 - Valentine's Day 1994 (one year before Hole's Unplugged performance). Nirvana was on their European In Utero Tour Nirvana performed at Le Zénth, Paris, France and Instead of Courtney being there with Kurt, she was In the UK following the Smashing Pumpkins tour.... It's rumored that before the 02/14/94 Le Zénth, Paris, France Kurt found out that Courtney Cheated on him, which is maybe why Nirvana ended their 02/14/94 show with "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" and supposedly someone seen Kurt crying. 10 days later on 02/24/94 (which was Kurt and Courtney's 2nd Wedding Anniversary) Nirvana was In Milano, Italy. And Courtney was still with Billy Corgan on the Smashing Pumpkins tour. Courtney finally met up with Kurt on March 3rd 1994 after Kurt cancelled Nirvana's tour after he was diagnosed with severe bronchitis and laryngitis Kurt flew to Rome, Italy from Germany and Kurt was trying to be romantic and spent hundreds of dollars on Roses, Champagne, and Courtney just ended up going to sleep... And that's when Kurt ended up in the coma from the mixture of Champagne and Rohypnol (which Courtney claim was a "Suicide" attempt) and said Kurt left a note that she apparently burned, and claimed he was fully dressed with thousands of dollars in his pocket... And claimed he took 60 Rohypnol tablets but even the hospital said that there was nowhere near that amount in his stomach or blood stream.... And she says she found him around 4:30am but didn't call the ambulance until 7am and did her makeup. If someone found their husband unconscious/OD you would call an ambulance right away not wait 2 hours and do your make up before calling an ambulance... But then on Valentine's Day 1995 she played Nirvana's "You Know You're Right" and "Old Age" which is a Song Kurt gave her and then she acts like a loving widow but treated Kurt like shit when he was still alive.
This is insane. So many exaggerations and straight up lies. It’s so ridiculous how obsessed everyone is with Courtney. Ik you like to pretend he was murdered bc it’s more interesting and fun for you, but that’s sick. She lost her husband, the father of her daughter, and you choose to exaggerate, make wild assumptions,and lie for your own entertainment. It’s pathetic and exactly the kind of media hype tabloid bs drama Kurt would be disgusted with. You are what he stood against. Stick to the facts. And ps, there is plenty to hate Courtney for outside of murdering Kurt. I’m not a Courtney fan or something. I just don’t accuse people of murder when I don’t like them.
Courtney is a damn sociopath. The song literally points a finger at her and she has the audacity to perform it on unplugged. I’m starting to think she wanted to present her version to the world in order to replace nirvana low quality live version.
Rosemary barker who was Frances bean's god mother but Kurtis and cirts publicist found a back pack that cort had left at her office..she didn't open it for weeks and decided to look in it. It had letter tracing practice sheets.
@@welcometothepsyop3639 in correct last name I think but yes thst did happen. shes a lawyer, and I know someone who worked for her. Iits rosemary carroll.i think?
I have friends who were in their circle of friends and have heard what they say - and another friend worked for Hole at one point - he said that Courtney was literally the worst person he ever met. I think if Kurt had, for example, married & had a kid with Toby Vail, or someone reasonably stable like her, he might be alive today. I'm not discounting Kurt's suicidal ideation earlier in life nor his use of heroin before Courtney - just, I think if he'd been with someone kinder & less f#$%d up, rehab would have stuck & he would have support instead of infidelity and acrimony. I feel like Courtney could drive anyone to off themselves, especially a shy, nice guy with a terrible lack of family & love & physical & addiction issues. I wish that someone had given Kurt the kind of advice Michael Stipe gave to Thom Yorke when he said Thom had the $ to "disappear completely" - Kurt needed to get out of the public eye & have some time to get clean, get rid of Courtney & find a way forward - maybe take a year & work on his other art or something - let the publicity and constant attention die down and find a way to handle it all better.
I think it's pretty easy after something happens to make an informed decision after you have time to analyze a situation, like if you're watching cops and ur in 4th grade and being like "JESUS christ just don't sell drugs", but I think that really undermines alot of situational deep rooted things. Like "kurt needed to get rid of courtney and get out of the lime light"? Really? When did you figure that out? Because if it was 30 years after and you're only connection to kurt was that you knew one of the people who worked for hole I would kind of fully expect that to happen. But I think that if you would use your imagination to see how little we know about kurt, and his life, and his mental issues, that you could start having sympathy for him as an individual rather than just deciding what's best for him. All this speculating about how kurt could've been "preserved" if something different in his very personal and private life went different is parasitacally parasocial at best
@@supercalifragilastic_expai9101 Right, I get it. Most mistakes in life are fairly normal, and some are unforgivable; can't be reconciled. Kinda like someone who ends up on death row cuz they didn't act appropriately at a given time, made a rash quick decision and harmed someone. And a person will pay for that w their life. So instead of reflecting back on "what couldve been", what's your suggestion then? How are we supposed to think, reflect, or interpret on this? (You said have sympathy) well hell yeah of course. Kurt himself says in an interview he was asked "Is yours a sad story?" And he said, "No, i don't think so. I'm just a normal person, a product of a spoiled America" He had terminal diagnoses also & his health was ruined 😢 I've seen it happen myself to ppl as young as 30. But besides empathy/sympathy, did you have another key takeaway point 👉 to make? That's what I was asking
I agree completely. I am also an empathetic who married an even worse kind of narcissist, what psychologists call "a covert narcissist" and it literally destroyed me from the inside out, made me beyond suicidal and I've been on heroin ever since, and it is the hardest thing I've ever been through in my life (which is saying a lot bc I lost both my parents at 12 and lived on the streets ever since and my whole life was God awful but a covert narcissist studies you intricately and then changed even about themselves to be THE PERFECT PERSON FOR YOU and they put ALL their energy into it and you'll think you really found your soulmate and after a long time of everything being perfect and everything you ever wanted, then you finally accept it is real and put your guard down, finally more happy than you ever thought possible and then they know they have you and then they proceed to tear you down piece by piece until there's nothing left of you and then the try to see if they can get you to kill yourself for them bc in their twisted mind, pushing you beyond the breaking point and then seeing if they can bring you all the way back in with the love-bombing stage again, just to run you through the devastating cycles again and again until you kill yourself instead of just leaving them, is the ultimate validation they seek, the only reason they live for, the only thing they can assume is how much they can assume they are worth bc they really don't know or feel love ever in their lifetime, only hatred and disgust, and the more you allow them to punish you, the more valuable they feel and that is their sole purpose in life. And they ALWAYS cheat doing the same thing to multiple people at a time so that they'll never be alone and not have someone to suck the energy out of just like a vampire. Kurt went through the narcissistic psychological abuse and there just was no way for him to get over the devastation of not having the loving complete family he so desired from. So yeah, Courtney psychologically abused the shit out of him with the cheating and psycho mind games and ultra passive aggressiveness etc, and wether directly or indirectly, she definitely killed him
Source? So many people say so many things. Fact checking is all important. What is the source of this information? Did you check the source to ensure it is credible? Or just repeat what you heard with no critical thinking process whatsoever?
The fact that CL felt entitled to alter the song in this way says Everything about her character and their relationship. Im convinced she never planned to ket him divorce her, and anyone who knows anything about her knows shes an obsessive planner and list maker. If he had divorced her she would have been left with too little for her liking, and a bad image. She was never going to allow that.
Yes I totally agree with you. This false narrative is making me quite angry. Though I do agree with his analysis of Courtney's motivations for performing the song and her butchering of it.
I used to think that, but learning more about his final days convinced me it was by his own hand. The band, manager, and friends were all called to his house by Courtney when he locked himself in a room. He shortly after decided to go to rehab, but when he found out Gibby Haynes was his roommate, he refused to stay there for some reason and told Gibby he's going to jump the fence and run. Gibby told him, "I'm pretty sure you can just walk out the front door," but stated Kurt insisted on climbing the fence for some unknown reason. After that, people were all over looking for him but nobody thought the check the greenhouse until a few days later and by then it was too late. He basically ran away from rehab and did the deed quickly. He probably jumped the back fence because he wanted a little time before word got around and everyone knew he was gone. It is often claimed that he had too much heroin in his system to pull the trigger, but I don't believe that is true at all. If he was determined and fast about it, I'm sure he could shoot up and quickly pull the trigger. I'm sure he thought about it enough and was a pro at using smack, so the whole thing was well-rehearsed in his mind. And he probably used a LOT of heroin that last time with the intention of numbing any pain and OD'ing quickly if the shotgun wasn't an instant result. He shot up, put the barrel in his mouth and, as soon as he started to feel the heroin coming on, he blasted. That does leave the weirdness of Courtney getting caught practicing his handwriting and possibly calling the police on herself for "drug" use in a hotel the night Kurt died. The drugs turned out to be fake, so she had a convenient alibi of being in jail the night Kurt died, and was released as soon as the drugs tested as fake. She also had a friend on the police force there. So, it could all be a setup, but if it was, then apparently someone was waiting for Kurt at his own home and either tricked him into going to the greenhouse to shoot up or forcibly dragged him there while everyone else was spread around town looking for him. That's equally plausible, I suppose. I just think Kurt was pretty obviously ready to do the deed and jumping over the back fence of the rehab center makes a lot of sense if it was just his way of buying some time to be alone and do the deed.
@@AtacamaHumanoid I’m not sure your account of the deed really stacks up. The case file states that he was found with the needle and tourniquet removed, the drug kit packed away and his sleeve rolled down. He would have had to have done all that and then pull the trigger, despite subsequent forensic analysts saying that the quantity of heroin in his system was enough to immediately incapacitate even a hardened user. Then there’s the matter of the blood, or lack of it. We would expect a huge amount of blood from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, yet there was only a small amount seeping out from his ear, suggesting that his heart had already stopped beating BEFORE the gunshot was fired.
The only part the dude got right was parts talking about Courtney exploiting him. Most of this video is wrong. He was just divorcing her & had already left her. He never k1lled himself. If he woulda stayed alive she would've gotten N O T H I N G. ZIP. Z E R O. Sayin he offer himself and that his "last song" helped to prove that, is hilarious.
I was 13 when Kurt died and grew up in a town not far from where Kurt grew up in Washington. We all looked up to him and Nirvana. My whole generation looked at him as a voice for how we were feeling at the time; ignored, gaslit, abused. I was there at the International Fountain with friends and saw Courtney cry her fake tears. I'll never forget the look on her face; she was drinking in the attention between the bouts of sobbing.
Was 20 in Australia then. Fuck that hurt. Thank you for being there to witness. Your story will be spread Sandollor.. Never trusted woman. (Ass)hole unplugged is the right phrase for Courtney.
Marrying a cluster B person is one of the worst mistakes anyone could ever do. I've witnessed people way less sensitive than Kurt driven to near suicide by merely dating them. I know cluster B people didn't choose suffering from those issues but the last thing they and other people need are an intimate relationship invoving them. The best a cluster B person can do is opting out of such relationships for everyone's sake.
Someone who is actively not trying to heal themselves from cluster b disorder symptoms, sure, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say sensitive folks should stay away from us because we are extremely sensitive as well. I’ve found that relation between two people emotions can be a blessing in disguise because of the relatability factor
@@SavorthefuckinflavorYou’re only sensitive to the emotions you can weaponize. There’s nothing inside you. You are a completely empty shell. Any relationship you ever manage to have will end in disaster. Everyone will leave, because that’s what you deserve. That’s what it means to be what you are. Nothing you do will fundamentally change that. For anyone in your life, it’s only a matter of time before they figure you out. And inside, you already know. No matter how you spin in your cyclone, flailing for an alternative, you will always return to the hollow core. There is no “getting better”. You’re being milked by the mental health system. Parasites eating parasites, a vampiric circlejerk. And you love it. Sick.
Lyrics don’t tie into death. More towards divorce, which he was seeking at the time. No proof he killed himself. Theres more evidence pointing towards murder than suicide.
His lyrics are She just wants to love himself. Because they are meaning that all Courtney wants if for Kurt Cobain to love himself but he cannot and thus he’s gonna end his life. The whole song is about his suicide.
Seems to me, the problem with the whole "tortured artist" thing is, while the artist vents his-her frustrations through said art, the persons problems never get addressed/resolved.
She absolutely killed him, either directly or indirectly. My man would have had a few more years in him if he never met her. But she would have been nothing without him and billy
No. She tried to help him for the sake of himself and their daughter. It's tough for fans to come to grips with the fact that someone they look up to and admire could do such a thing to themselves and to their loved ones.
@@liver-eatingjohnson7882she had a paper with handwriting practice in her backpack, and Kurt’s note implies that it was written in 1992-1993 outside of the last part which is in different handwriting
Just listen to the recordings from Tom Grant and Rosemary. She found the hand writing in Courtney’s backpack. Do a little research and you’ll see for yourself.
@@liver-eatingjohnson7882 couldn't tell you where it is, but this information came from a private investigator Courtney hired to find Kurt. Courtney had the paper with her practice of kurts handwriting in a backpack she left somewhere i cant remember and a woman found it and told the private investigator. this is all in soaked in bleach.
He also said the song “I hate myself and want to die” was a complete joke and wasn’t serious at all but if you read his journals he wrote about hating himself and wanting to die and then he did kill himself, so kurt saying his songs are meaningless isn’t the most reliable
Love doesn’t know the meaning of that word. My whole family feels that she had a hand in Kurt’s death. Thank you for this in depth analysis. Subscribed!😊
@@sparklesfourtwentyimagine someone not knowing you personally at all, but they are convinced you’re a dumb murderer and say that their family(who know you just as much) feels the exact same way. It’s insane.
@@marsoblivi0n945she's clearly intelligent. Courtney is a good conversationalist and she's interesting I think anyway. I think you are correct that he was with her for several reasons. The man could have had anyone and he loved her and married her and had a kid with her.
It took almost a decade to release because love and grohl and novacelic couldn’t come to an agreement. I don’t doubt that she took this into consideration.
Courtney spent alot of her daughter’s inheritance and clung to Kurt for fame and her ambitions to be a rockstar. She should be ashamed for that . I hold her partially responsible for kurts death because she drove him insane with her lust for money and fame. His wife instead of being his support group was a leach . The person that really got cheated in this was his daughter . I have the most sympathy for her. Addiction is a horrible thing and addicts need a friend not a gold & fame digger and a mooch.
All i can day is where was she at on their last anniversary? Planning to see kurt, or was she in london where Billy happened to be? Then after he fought with her, shed decided to go see him. Then exhauseted from all cheating, she fell asleep. Im sure the downers helped, ALOT. He was only with her for barely a couple years. And weeks after he was gone she was with Billy again at Canyon ranch. Grieving widow my ass.
Cause it doesn’t have a negative meaning towards her people think they know him because they idolize him in a sick way Kurt loved Courtney and even if he wanted to divorce her he would always love her he’s said this numerous times doing interviews
I idolized Kurt when I was a kid. I got into music early on because the only kids I had to hang with were older. I was a skinny weird kid and seeing him who I thought was like me , an outcast. I was 12 when I found out my hero killed himself. It fucked me up. Now I'm older than he ever was with a daughter and an addiction to opiates. I'm currently weening myself down on subutex. I wish he would've gotten help.
Nah yo you know you’re right is a break up song ain’t no words about Kurt’s suicide in it… cmon now BUT in terms of your analysis of Courtney changing the lyrics of ykyr you’re spot on. .. it’s a heartbreaking change to his powerful lyrics BECAUSE it’s a break up song and she knew it… she knew he was putting everything he had into his music, and at that point she had drained all else from him. What better way to respond then the only way he could, with his lyrics, his guitar, his boys, and his voice. That final track is fucking NIRVANA through and through. Kurt couldn’t have written that song as suicide note, and I can’t accept that it’s lyrics can be interpreted as such… this witch of a woman had a hold on him, and eventually was responsible for him dying in some way… these lyrics are proof in the pudding… he wanted a divorce, he wanted to escape from Courtney, from nirvana… why do you think man was linking up with Michael stiep and rem? He didn’t want to die
cant admit your idol was a talented junkie who CHOOSE to marry Courtney Love and end his own life? or maybe you think she put that shotgun inside his mouth with WITCHCRAFT 😂
Even if he’s said this numerous time he would always love Courtney no matter what he’s said this multiple times on interviews and would defend her always that’s why he bought her a diamond ring before his death so even if he wanted to leave Courtney and baby Frances he would always love them
You are wrong, the Person he hates, is himself. The song could be to anyone, but he is disparaging himself. When he says herself,he is talking about himself in the third person. He love/hated everyone except his daughter whom he loved, And himself whom he hated. I guess it’s more vague from a historical perspective, but as sarcastic as he always was, He did communicate all of this when taking interviews somewhat seriously.
I love Nirvana and never really liked Courtney. I know she is to blame for Kurt's death, even if it's indirectly. And for her to exploit Kurt's art like that is wrong on so many levels. Kurt deserved better.
He probably would have been a lot happier working a day job and playing keg parties. Fame is a disturbing phenomena. Apparently it’s not for everyone.🤷♂️👍🥃
@@SchizoPantheon I just read this since I never had any interest to Hole as I do to nirvana whatsoever, and this gave a goosebumps. How heartless can you be to change your deceased husband's "Pain" to something positive or monotonous like "Hey"... Damn dude...
@@SchizoPantheon When you listen to the “vocal only track” he clearly says “hey” not pain but with layered guitars, bass, and drums I can see why people hear it as “pain”
His main two problems in my opinion was Courtney and his addiction. I believe if he had purged himself of those two problems he would've loved being a famous artist and would've embraced it and would've done many more amazing things. Or he would've bought a castle in Europe somewhere and disappeared with his daughter.
According to Kurt, by the end, he HAD embraced it. He said in an interview that he had trouble with the fame when they first made it big, but by In Utero he was fine with it. He had ideas for upcoming projects, he was thrilled to be a dad, etc. I know the heroin caused him to start cutting his true friends (namely his band mates) out of his life, but I don’t believe for an instant that he was suicidal.
January 30, 1994 - Robert Lang Studios, North Seattle, WA where Nirvana recorded "You Know You're Right" It's true that Kurt showed up on the 3rd day without any of his equipment. But Kurt's guitar tech Earnie Bailey was there and he was luckily working on one of Kurt's Univox Hi-Flier (which was a Black Univox Hi-Flier Phase I or Phase II) which was modded by Earnie Bailey and Earnie had It In his car which he ran out and grab and Kurt used either a Boss Distortion (or maybe a Ibanez SM-9 Super Metal or Boss HM-3 Hyper Metal) from Earnie's Pedalboard and the amp Kurt used was a Marshall JMP50 That's what Kurt used to record "You Know You're Right" and before Nirvana recorded You Know You're Right when Kurt arrived Kurt listened to the tracks that Krist and Dave recorded the last 2 days (January 28 & 29, 1994) and Kurt complained about his back hurting from his Scoliosis and laid down on the cold tile floor and a Black Cat wandered Into the studio and Kurt drew a picture of the Black Cat on the walls of the Studio (It's supposedly still there to this day, Kurts drawing), and after recording "You Know You're Right" they took a dinner break and supposedly Kurt had Pizza and a glass of Milk. And when they returned to Robert Lang's Studio they recorded an Instrumental of the Unknown song mislabeled as "Ivy League" which Nirvana played live at the end of the December 29, 1993 - San Diego Sports Arena, San Diego, CA. And there may have been 2 more tracks recorded.
If ur going to do a story on Cobain, you can’t keep referring to his death as a suicide. If anyone on the SPD would just _investigate_ the case, it would finally be listed (and closed) properly
Great analysis, very well done. I remember watching this show when it aired and that performance was certainly the highlight of the night. Later when I got ahold of Outcesticide V and heard Nirvana’s live version of the song entitled “Autopilot” that’s when the gears began to turn and then when the song we all know now was eventually released that’s when it all truly came together for me. Great Nirvana song, for sure, similar structure to other great songs like MV and All Apologies.
I do not agree with your analysis of the lyrics as a suicide 'note'. Leaving his current life behind is not necessarily an indication of suicidal tendencies, but a desire to get away from that which is causing him so much pain.
For the disgusting people saying she murdered her husband... So you're saying that she wrote three suicide notes including one for Francis from Kurt, then proceeded to read the main one while bawling and responding to it angrily at some points in real time because she was so upset at what he did making her the greatest actress of all time (and I've seen her act she's good but not that freaking good). And also, what exactly was her motivation for murdering the father of her child? What he like wanted a divorce or something? She was afraid to lose money even though she had her own career? And so she kills him masterfully without any evidence? Give me a god damn break. This isn't a movie people it's real life with real people. Yeah she may be a shitty person but it doesn't make her a murderer. You people are seriously gross and should feel ashamed for saying stuff like that. It's especially disrespectful to Francis.
“Disgusting person” checking in, and YUP - that’s exactly what I’m saying. She doesn’t need to be the greatest actress of all time. Have you never regretted actions you took? She may have had regrets, she may have been feeding off the energy of the crowd, AND she may have been acting. Those three aren’t mutually exclusive. For the “why”, Court’s band was technically more successful when they married, but Nirvana quickly surpassed them. Kurt helped write her songs, she drew a LOT of attention from being his wife, and stood to lose a lot in the divorce thanks to the prenup that *she’d* insisted on to protect her Hole “fortune.” By making herself a widow instead of a divorcée, she saved herself from all of that, and gets to bank off the connection for the rest of her life. I can’t remember your other points, and the app won’t let me look while I type, so I’ll stop here, but if you open your mind even a teenie bit, you must admit that there are at least reasons to suspect wrongdoing in THIS case, never mind all the other deaths and shady dealings Courtney Love is connected to.
@@thehutch7728 what does regretting your actions have to do with anything? Courtney clearly was not acting, she was reacting to her husband taking his own life. She wasn't regretting her actions you literally just made that up. Kurt did not help write a single note on Live Through This and the prenup was voided in probate court. She'd have taken Kurt to the cleaners in the event of a divorce. Is this the only loony conspiracy theory you believe in or are there others?
So ironic that her unplugged performance is on Valentine's day of 95... Cuz on Valentine's day of 94 she was in London with Billy instead of being with Kurt ... Watching the Nirvana concerts here on RUclips from that tour will really open your eyes to a lot of turmoil Kurt went through. And imo he did not "unalive" himself. RIP Kurt ✌🎶🤘🎸🎤❤
Most of the people who say Courtney killed Kurt weren't around at the time or are just repeating what they've heard from videos like this. Courtney was indeed a narcissistic fame whore, and their codependent relationship definitely contributed to Kurt's depression. But Courtney didn't kill Kurt. Kurt killed Kurt.
@@DanathemaHole's best album was Live Through This and that was due to Kurt's influence as much as his songs that he gave to her due to her jealousy that he could pull a song together so quickly and it would be a hit. Live Through This never even went platinum. It went gold and you have been misinformed to say otherwise.
Correct. She’s never been able to duplicate it, not only due to Kurt, but Kristen’s work. There’s even an interview with the sound engineer in Brazil who worked with Kurt as he laid down the outlines for all the tracks on that album. She didn’t show up once.
@@Danathema More revisionist history from the troll. Once again as I believe we’ve already gone over this but you seem incapable of accepting easily verified facts: POTI was released Sept 17, 1991 and sold 200,000 copies, which doesn’t even begin to hit Platinum, let alone gold, which requires 500,000 records. Nevermind was released 10 days later on Sept 24, 1991, went Diamond and to date has sold over 30 million copies, and continues to sell, making it one of the most popular selling albums of all time. With the band charting a total of 10 #1 hit songs, including this one which remained for four weeks in the spot. LTT was released April 12, 1994, one week after Kurt’s death with her bragging that his death would help her to sell her record. It sold 1.3 million copies, with how many #1 hit songs total? Except for one in the UK. I forget. Oh that’s right, none.
I'm torn between hating Courtney and being thankful for her for hiring me to work on a film about Nirvana. Courtney had liked a film I worked on about Deep Purple and she said "I want these people to make a film about Nirvana". She basically stayed out of our way and we made an awesome film. BUT their relationship was extremely toxic and during the film I had a dream in which Kurt came to me and said "I wish I had never killed myself because I never got a chance to raise my daughter" He knew it was a mistake. He said he was still here as a ghost. Pretty freaky stuff.
Its tragic that most people that hadn't started listening to Nirvana before 1994 think Kurt was constantly depressed, miserable, suicidal, strung out, that he didn't want to be famous etc...Its even more tragic that people let Courtney get away with having Kurdt murked...Im not going sit here and hash out that argument, but if you believe Krdt took his own life then I have a bridge to sell you.. As soon as Kurdt died people threw out their original interpretations of his lyrics and threw them out the window to fit the whole aforementioned narrative,.
When he played Where Did You Sleep Last Night live after he found out Courtney Love was cheating on him during Valentines Day and he hit the infamous D#5 note, which nobody should ever try to sing cause you might destroy your vocal chords beyond repair, but Kurt didn't just hit the note, he used his anger and heartbreak to go up another half note before his voice cracks and gives out. It literally sounds like your phone is turning its own volume up by itself. It does not sound pleasant at all, but it sounds awesome, which is a paradox, but what do you expect from Kurt? Here we are, 30 years after his death worshiping his awesomeness. I think Kurt Cobain being awesome is the only thing GenX and GenZ agree on concerning music
Idk.. the more I read about her… as bad as she was, is I guess we all have a purpose in this world. If hers was to have Frances Bean, her and Kurt’s daughter and then eventually out Hollywood’s most vile perverts like Harvey Weinstein, who are we to judge? We’re all human. We’ve all done some really crappy things we regret and we’ve also done good. We’re all still here because our life isn’t done yet and we’re all still learning. Hopefully learning to be better.
@@BillMcGirr Amen and thank you to her for it!👍💕 It’s never the good things anyone hears about a famous person doing BEFORE DIE and everyone says how wonderful they were AFTERWARDS. This comes on the heels of another actor’s death, Mathew Perry. He was an addict no less than Courtney Love. Why don’t more people know this about her?!
Loathe Alpha female types. Just like her dad. Kurt absolutely loathed the bones off the woman at the end. He was leaving her. Not life. She had something to do with it .. (prefered him dead than smiling with another)
Just a Narcissistic person. Toxic femininity they'd call it now. Glad it's finally coming to light. Women who through a close relationship prey like a vulture on a good man's kindness and ignorance.And just in general. My mum was one. Looking back at some high profile men, it's obvious now. John Lennon, McCartney (Heather), Prince Harry, Johnny Depp, Poor Kurt and i'm hearing now even Elvis. Prisc was of the same school. Fascinating to watch Markle unravel and if you hear that tape of the phone conversation between Courtney and Tom Grant you'd really hear what she thot of him #MenToo
Tell em mama ... the truth. Right? Took the reigns and pulled them for her own goals and aspirations. All the Seattle boys knew to stear clear. The witch they hid from. Layne and mark always hid from her
The Truth! ;) They must know.We don't know them as people but i'm picking up Kurt had a satirical, creative state of mind. He was not literal, but metaphorical. She took his dark musings as excuse make him look irresponsible, as narcissists love to do and make themselves look superior. Flip, don't make me angry. This is a thread in all Narcs. The ''trying to help their victim'..Pushed it so far she staged an intervention..They say it wasn't a suicide attempt the first time but a drugging. He was scared for his life. The only story we have that Kurt was suicidal is from her. Narcs suck in their victim and take all their good qualities for themselves extinguishing and discrediting them in the them in process to make themselves look like saviours.and It's a hard one to watch. But there in Black and white. And then of course there's El Duce and Kirsten. A trail of deaths. Drug ones they don'y even consider murder. I bet she knew that. ps;She never made it in the acting world because she was just too lacking in conscience. I love the Mtv clip where she interrupts a mADONNA interview. Now Madonna is a Narc but she's scared stiff of her@@adamturner1563
FINALLY ! Somebody who gets it. I've said it for years and years and years. No conspiracy at all. Heroin people around that kinda money? Absolutely snuffed him out. Kurt had his eyes on a prettier and more talented female. We both know who that was too. 100 percent! No doubt in my mind. (Look at what young heroin addicts with no money do to eachother) kurt was always hiding. (Same with Staley) he knew how the industry worked and wanted out. Kurt did too, half the time. No place for the sensitive. Thank you for the reply 👍
I am a massive Nirvana fan, I've read, watched and collected everything that I could possibly afford. This song is not a suicide song. That is silly. It was leaving his wife and music spotlight. I believe that there is a 3% chance that "she" had nothing to do with his death. Directly or indirectly, sadly we will never know if Kristen and him would have ridden into the sunset after hiring the "meanest most vicious divorce lawyer". His music will live forever!
Thank you. Kurt was really loved , and I believe that his obviously toxic relationship caused people to blame Courtney. Yea, she is reprehensible, but Kurt had issues before. Her cheating was just another catalyst for his untimely death
Kinda off topic but any advice on getting 2 affiliated / knowledgeable on Nirvana and bands alike ?? I recently got into nirvana and a few other bands and I’m absolutely obsessed tho I’m not fully sure how 2 get more “educated” on nirvana ? Idk if this makes sense aa also where’s good places 2 get Merch and collectibles etc ?
absolute nonsense. you have no idea what this song is about that just your own biased, highly subjective opinion on what its about. He wasn't leaving his wife they weren't even separated. There is a zero percent chance Kurt did anything except take his own life and bail on his family. Kristen and Kurt ride off into the sunset? LOL sure they were. Talk about wishful thinking, good grief. Kristen and Kurt were never an item that is pure fan fiction.
U made a great point and did a great job on this,I've been listening to nirvana since they came out and I never noticed this twist she put on his song to favor herself 😮man 👍 great job! Your like a detective 😜
She was jealous of his talent she knew she would never be as good as he was she want in to nirvana but he would not let her take over his band so she had him killed for the money the band was making. All she be known as his widow nothing more.
Remember when they discovered this song in like 2007 and they played it for 24 hours straight on loop and nobody complained. Even if people didn't like the song, they agreed that it was worthy of 24 hours of straight uninterrupted play time because Kurt was that awesome
I remember how haunting and ominous that song was when it was discovered. It was Kurt was reaching out from the otherside to remind us of the time when music represented freedom and being yourself, and everybody seemed to be having the same thoughts and ideas as Kurt cause everybody went crazy when they blew up. Everybody
I can't believe Kurt loved her so much and all that. People in the area knew he was seeing someone in the U district of Seattle, and was really into them. It was speculated he may leave his wife, and the band to do other things. He had plans. That was just right before he died. Also when a person is 'so in love', they want to see them and be near. He was very busy ignoring her, and her phone calls at the end of their marriage.
The primary contributor to Kurt's suicide was mental illness and intense heroin addiction. You can dislike Courtney for many things, but she didn't cause his suicide. That's disingenuous, lazy, and wrong.
Dude was a bi polar, alcoholic, drug addict. That in itself is a recipe for suicidal ideation. Throw in the fact he hated fame, recently attempted and failed committing suicide. dropped his baby daughter whilst high, and etc. etc.. Bro killed himself. He did the “I really wanna effin die” way of shooting himself up with a high dose of smack and then shooting himself up with a shotgun. I read a story recently about a woman that killer herself by shooting herself in the head AFTER jumping off a cliff where the fall woulda killed her anyway. Some ppl just really want to die and pull a double whammy to ensure they do. After his failed attempt, this makes total sense. I hope his soul, if we have one after we croak, is at peace.
I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, but I never said that Courtney killed him, only that she contributed to him killing himself and exploited his death
When you listen to the “vocal only track” he clearly says “hey” not pain but with layered guitars, bass, and drums I can see why people hear it as “pain”
I believe he was talking about leaving the marriage and starting a new relationship. Somewhere else with some other person she knew and had killed. Why do you think he bought 2 extra tickets? I for his child. And the other was for a somebody else. And it wasn't Courtney cause he was leaving her.
You have way too much confidence in your interpretation of Cobain's lyrics. And that's fine, but you're making content that is misleading a lot of people.
courtneys interpretation of the song isn’t showing betrayal, it’s showing how she was feeling at the time and she used her husbands song bc she was grieving. i hate the narrative that she wasn’t disturbed and distraught by his death, her performing his song and changing lyrics is her way of paying homage and if most people don’t like that then most people don’t know courtney
Not trying to be argumentative, i just want to hear out why you don’t think this is bad. To me it does seem odd that she would change the lyrics in a song written about Kurt’s bad mental state and her part in it to a completely different meaning right after his death. That to me seems super insensitive and deliberate, to chose such a song and alter it in that way.
@@jh7127 you have to consider her state of mind at the time too during this. she wasn’t gonna pull of of their hits and play that bc that would only just make more people mad that she “ruined” a nirvana song. courtney is known for changing lyrics to her own songs in her own performances so her choosing to change the words she did from what they were is really nothing more than a creative choice made by a misunderstood grieving widow. she may or may not have fully known what the song was even about, whether that being about her or kurt’s mental state. what i do know and what i will stand by is i hate when people come for courtney without knowing shit about her. i’ve taken my time and spent countless hours watching videos and interviews and concerts of her to try and fully understand why she was so hated amongst the grunge community and especially nirvana fans. their relationship was toxic and tumultuous but you can’t say they didn’t love each other. courtney’s choice to not only perform this song but also change lyrics shows how she was feeling at the time and how she saw things, she was speaking thru kurt in her own words. i don’t understand what’s so wrong with that
@@jh7127 this performance was also nearly a year after kurts death, holes unplugged was february of 1995 and kurt died in april 1994. almost a year there, so for someone to make the argument that it’s insensitive to do right after his death, yeah maybe like weeks or so after. this was almost a year after his death and she was incredibly fucked up at this performance i know for a fact so the lyric changing could also have just been a result of courtneys addictions and tendencies to slur or misuse lyrics
You make some good points, but my main argument is that she specifically introduces the song as the last one Kurt had written. She sets up the song as coming from Kurt's perspective, not hers. And while the smaller changes, like "will" to "would" can definitely be accidental or slurring words, I think some of the changes to the lyrics are too great to be an accident or misremembering the original lyrics. It definitely comes across as an intentional rewrite. And even if we assume that she rewrote the lyrics to be from the perspective of a grieving widow, I don't think adding "I have never felt so well" fits that narrative (and is also an incredibly insensitive line to add when singing about your husband's somewhat recent death)
@@SchizoPantheon idk just like the song says, you’ve got no right. interpret it as you wish and hate her for changing words, you’ve got no right. it’s ironic how kurt can use the words “things have never been so swell” and everyone knows or just assumes he’s being sarcastic and joking but assuming her lyric change “i have never felt so well” isn’t coming from the exact same place 🤷♀️ just seems like another vid for angry nirvana fans (my room is adorned with kurt posters and i have almost all their vinyls so i can say this) to blame courtney for yet another thing. go back and watch some hole concerts from before kurt died and tell me when they didn’t perform a nirvana song she didn’t change some lyrics. but i guess it’s “disrespectful” 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️ c’est la vie… i’ll defend courtney any day of the week and when she’s in the wrong i think i’m more than capable to admit she’s done some shitty things. i just don’t agree with the argument in this case and i’m stating my opinion as someone who actually listens to both their music
Great video man! Earned my sub for sure. Courtney Love is a terrible terrible person and always has been. Her own father believes she had Kurt killed, if I'm not mistaken. Not sure what my opinion is on that theory but it's intriguing. I'd never heard about this song or about this controversy-- this was a great take. Thanks!
I was born within 48 hours of Kurt. It's great he forever will be a young man. Hard to imagine we're both almost 57. I barely made it through those years as well. My name on here coming from the two things that kept me from doing just that in my mid 20s, music and weed. It got me through my breakup and split from the pain pills I was getting from different doctors back then. But I didn't have Courtney. I'll always think she killed him. Because she thought his giving it all up, she wouldn't be famous anymore like he'd made her. So she hired someone to put the valium in his root beer. And when he was out of it, injected him and blew his brains out. My best friend did the same thing, but with a .357 magnum in his mouth. And although he was the best hunter I knew, pulled enough to shank the bullet, and live 6 weeks in coma in the hospital before family pulling the plug. They both were on an unlimited supply of the same drug. My friends coming from a huge inheritance that allowed him to go back to using. Although he was hiding it from me. Really sucks they couldn't find a way out.
Love made several great records, most of the songs were written before they got together and Cobain was influenced by Hole - by Love as a lyricist and Erlandson as a guitarist. LTT sounds nothing like Nirvana. Your little misogynistic theories are wrong
When Kurt wrote "Rape Me" Courtney took it literally after his death. She had no right murdering this song. Listen to the live version from the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago 1993. It is so sonically and vocally, lyrically amazing compared to the studio version. Imagining hearing it for the first and only time live makes it all the more haunting. It's a song about him walking away from her and everything...then she has the audacity. Dead men don't pull triggers #Justiceforkurt
Hell of alot of conjecture. Love did an intervention before he died and made him go to rehab and she also went to rehab, he escaped rehab, she didn't know where he was. He was the one who escaped rehab. Look at how she eventually got clean, she wasn't joking about quitting.
I can't stand her will not ever speak her name she cared more about herself then Kurt he'd probably still be here if he would have never met her rest in peace Kurt Cobain your music will always be playing in my home I would have loved to have more of it but your time on earth touched so many people you'll never be forgotten that voice OMG that voice
@7:08 I don't buy that dude. You look at his artwork, journals, lyrics and interviews and it screams "antinatalist" to me. This is just normal people trying to revise history to make Cobain more like themselves. I think he loved Frances when she was born, but I don't think he really wanted to be a father. I actually think Courtney got pregnant on purpose to force the marriage. Kurt Cobain was a good man but not a normal one. He and Courtney were both on herion, I don't think he's heartless enough to wanna put a baby in that environment.
Will never forget when this song came out I think 2002-2003 i was in high school I had just got the "new" album and you know you're right was on it made me overjoyed.
Hey! He was moving to the east coast. I can’t stand when you younger people talk about Kurt’s suicide as factual when it’s just not true. Just because someone goes through suicidal thoughts doesn’t mean they were not murdered Courtney knew and she covered it up.
Goddamn Kurt fell for Courtney, initially attracted to her being a daring outrageous irreverent rock chick. But holy shit he could have had anyone …he realized his mistake after being with her awhile(we can all relate).
It's very clear you never listen even one Kurt interview. He always says , don't take my lyrics literally!!!! And all the BS you talk about Kurt, Is Courtney paying you for this ??
Michael Jackson, Sam Cooke, Kurt, and various other artist who died of suspicious circumstances right when they were going against their record label or about to leave. Jackson was a few weeks away from owning a 51% controlling share of Sony but, of course, he died suddenly from being drugged by his doctor. Keep in mind Jackson’s doctor had no reason or excuse to give Jackson a lethal dose of a regular medication like that. Jackson also had bruises on his wrists, and an injury/bruise on his chest from someone’s knee being on Jackson’s chest! So, why was Jackson Being pinned down by security paid to protect him, and why was his own doctor giving him a large overdose? When billions of dollars are at stake, you can get very powerful people, the the police, etc. to turn a blind eye…or even help
One more important part of the song is the acoustic home demo included on the “With the Lights Out” box set, also having different lyrics and being about his dependance on Courtney, the last line of the second verse about his relationship being
“its another opiate
but to me its everything”
The demo is another very interesting element.
The original script had me going more in depth into its lyrics rather than just giving it a quick mention near the start of the video, but didn't want to make the video even longer than it already is.
Thank you for commenting this, it's another fascinating piece of history that I would advise people look into if they find this video interesting
Heres the issue, I've done same so don't take this as me saying U can't look at lyrics and figure it out, but he did say he's lazy and often finished lyrics last minute and just wrote whatever. But I don't believe this. Ppl like him who write anything usually writes what's going on in their lives is always some part in these writings. Maybe not 100% but we're creatures of habit and we usually spill our emotions out in our art in some way. All I know is his words saved me. Thank you for this Kurt.
The suicide note was to boddah. I find that kinda suss
He would've been a meth zombie/shut in by the mid 90s. His band friends couldn't help him, his "friends" fed his addiction.
@@OlsenJustin Whats that in English?
02/14/94 - Valentine's Day 1994 (one year before Hole's Unplugged performance). Nirvana was on their European In Utero Tour Nirvana performed at Le Zénth, Paris, France and Instead of Courtney being there with Kurt, she was In the UK following the Smashing Pumpkins tour.... It's rumored that before the 02/14/94 Le Zénth, Paris, France Kurt found out that Courtney Cheated on him, which is maybe why Nirvana ended their 02/14/94 show with "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" and supposedly someone seen Kurt crying.
10 days later on 02/24/94 (which was Kurt and Courtney's 2nd Wedding Anniversary) Nirvana was In Milano, Italy. And Courtney was still with Billy Corgan on the Smashing Pumpkins tour.
Courtney finally met up with Kurt on March 3rd 1994 after Kurt cancelled Nirvana's tour after he was diagnosed with severe bronchitis and laryngitis Kurt flew to Rome, Italy from Germany and Kurt was trying to be romantic and spent hundreds of dollars on Roses, Champagne, and Courtney just ended up going to sleep... And that's when Kurt ended up in the coma from the mixture of Champagne and Rohypnol (which Courtney claim was a "Suicide" attempt) and said Kurt left a note that she apparently burned, and claimed he was fully dressed with thousands of dollars in his pocket... And claimed he took 60 Rohypnol tablets but even the hospital said that there was nowhere near that amount in his stomach or blood stream.... And she says she found him around 4:30am but didn't call the ambulance until 7am and did her makeup.
If someone found their husband unconscious/OD you would call an ambulance right away not wait 2 hours and do your make up before calling an ambulance... But then on Valentine's Day 1995 she played Nirvana's "You Know You're Right" and "Old Age" which is a Song Kurt gave her and then she acts like a loving widow but treated Kurt like shit when he was still alive.
Are you okay with me posting this credit to you on a group supporting Kurt? Bc I couldn't have said it better.
@@user-sj4vk4jv1r You don't support Kurt if you post any of the above nonsense.
This is insane. So many exaggerations and straight up lies. It’s so ridiculous how obsessed everyone is with Courtney. Ik you like to pretend he was murdered bc it’s more interesting and fun for you, but that’s sick. She lost her husband, the father of her daughter, and you choose to exaggerate, make wild assumptions,and lie for your own entertainment. It’s pathetic and exactly the kind of media hype tabloid bs drama Kurt would be disgusted with. You are what he stood against. Stick to the facts.
And ps, there is plenty to hate Courtney for outside of murdering Kurt. I’m not a Courtney fan or something. I just don’t accuse people of murder when I don’t like them.
Courtney is a damn sociopath. The song literally points a finger at her and she has the audacity to perform it on unplugged. I’m starting to think she wanted to present her version to the world in order to replace nirvana low quality live version.
Rosemary barker who was Frances bean's god mother but Kurtis and cirts publicist found a back pack that cort had left at her office..she didn't open it for weeks and decided to look in it. It had letter tracing practice sheets.
Agreed .
@@welcometothepsyop3639ROSEMARY CARROLL!!
It fits her character for sure
@@welcometothepsyop3639 in correct last name I think but yes thst did happen. shes a lawyer, and I know someone who worked for her. Iits rosemary carroll.i think?
I have friends who were in their circle of friends and have heard what they say - and another friend worked for Hole at one point - he said that Courtney was literally the worst person he ever met. I think if Kurt had, for example, married & had a kid with Toby Vail, or someone reasonably stable like her, he might be alive today. I'm not discounting Kurt's suicidal ideation earlier in life nor his use of heroin before Courtney - just, I think if he'd been with someone kinder & less f#$%d up, rehab would have stuck & he would have support instead of infidelity and acrimony. I feel like Courtney could drive anyone to off themselves, especially a shy, nice guy with a terrible lack of family & love & physical & addiction issues. I wish that someone had given Kurt the kind of advice Michael Stipe gave to Thom Yorke when he said Thom had the $ to "disappear completely" - Kurt needed to get out of the public eye & have some time to get clean, get rid of Courtney & find a way forward - maybe take a year & work on his other art or something - let the publicity and constant attention die down and find a way to handle it all better.
I think it's pretty easy after something happens to make an informed decision after you have time to analyze a situation, like if you're watching cops and ur in 4th grade and being like "JESUS christ just don't sell drugs", but I think that really undermines alot of situational deep rooted things. Like "kurt needed to get rid of courtney and get out of the lime light"? Really? When did you figure that out? Because if it was 30 years after and you're only connection to kurt was that you knew one of the people who worked for hole I would kind of fully expect that to happen. But I think that if you would use your imagination to see how little we know about kurt, and his life, and his mental issues, that you could start having sympathy for him as an individual rather than just deciding what's best for him. All this speculating about how kurt could've been "preserved" if something different in his very personal and private life went different is parasitacally parasocial at best
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Right, I get it. Most mistakes in life are fairly normal, and some are unforgivable; can't be reconciled. Kinda like someone who ends up on death row cuz they didn't act appropriately at a given time, made a rash quick decision and harmed someone. And a person will pay for that w their life. So instead of reflecting back on "what couldve been", what's your suggestion then? How are we supposed to think, reflect, or interpret on this? (You said have sympathy) well hell yeah of course. Kurt himself says in an interview he was asked "Is yours a sad story?" And he said, "No, i don't think so. I'm just a normal person, a product of a spoiled America" He had terminal diagnoses also & his health was ruined 😢 I've seen it happen myself to ppl as young as 30. But besides empathy/sympathy, did you have another key takeaway point 👉 to make? That's what I was asking
I agree completely. I am also an empathetic who married an even worse kind of narcissist, what psychologists call "a covert narcissist" and it literally destroyed me from the inside out, made me beyond suicidal and I've been on heroin ever since, and it is the hardest thing I've ever been through in my life (which is saying a lot bc I lost both my parents at 12 and lived on the streets ever since and my whole life was God awful but a covert narcissist studies you intricately and then changed even about themselves to be THE PERFECT PERSON FOR YOU and they put ALL their energy into it and you'll think you really found your soulmate and after a long time of everything being perfect and everything you ever wanted, then you finally accept it is real and put your guard down, finally more happy than you ever thought possible and then they know they have you and then they proceed to tear you down piece by piece until there's nothing left of you and then the try to see if they can get you to kill yourself for them bc in their twisted mind, pushing you beyond the breaking point and then seeing if they can bring you all the way back in with the love-bombing stage again, just to run you through the devastating cycles again and again until you kill yourself instead of just leaving them, is the ultimate validation they seek, the only reason they live for, the only thing they can assume is how much they can assume they are worth bc they really don't know or feel love ever in their lifetime, only hatred and disgust, and the more you allow them to punish you, the more valuable they feel and that is their sole purpose in life. And they ALWAYS cheat doing the same thing to multiple people at a time so that they'll never be alone and not have someone to suck the energy out of just like a vampire. Kurt went through the narcissistic psychological abuse and there just was no way for him to get over the devastation of not having the loving complete family he so desired from. So yeah, Courtney psychologically abused the shit out of him with the cheating and psycho mind games and ultra passive aggressiveness etc, and wether directly or indirectly, she definitely killed him
@@andrewgray1161 I know exactly how you feel, I have so much empathy for you man, hang in there! You will find the love & light that you deserve!
@@andrewgray1161 is there a way to p.m. on here?
Apparently shes changed quite a few of his words As her own Lawyer found copys of forging KC handwriting
Source? So many people say so many things. Fact checking is all important. What is the source of this information? Did you check the source to ensure it is credible? Or just repeat what you heard with no critical thinking process whatsoever?
@choosetolivefree Its not hard to find it lol
@@adamvvs2644 Uh huh. And I take it you took the time to go and fact check this before you post it around the internet as fact, right?
@@choosetolivefree Go fact check it yourself
@@adamvvs2644 I'll take that as a no, that you didn't bother fact checking some information before stating it as fact
I've always (still do) think of this song as a breakup song - not a suicide song as depicted in this vid.
Weird as hell that Love would cover it.
The fact that CL felt entitled to alter the song in this way says Everything about her character and their relationship. Im convinced she never planned to ket him divorce her, and anyone who knows anything about her knows shes an obsessive planner and list maker. If he had divorced her she would have been left with too little for her liking, and a bad image. She was never going to allow that.
The song is about him wanting to leave the band/fame and wife not ending his life. The events of early April were not by his own hand.
You are such a parasocial dick
Rome was the first murder attempt. Courtney convinced Kurt it was an accidental overdose.
Yes I totally agree with you. This false narrative is making me quite angry. Though I do agree with his analysis of Courtney's motivations for performing the song and her butchering of it.
I used to think that, but learning more about his final days convinced me it was by his own hand. The band, manager, and friends were all called to his house by Courtney when he locked himself in a room. He shortly after decided to go to rehab, but when he found out Gibby Haynes was his roommate, he refused to stay there for some reason and told Gibby he's going to jump the fence and run. Gibby told him, "I'm pretty sure you can just walk out the front door," but stated Kurt insisted on climbing the fence for some unknown reason. After that, people were all over looking for him but nobody thought the check the greenhouse until a few days later and by then it was too late.
He basically ran away from rehab and did the deed quickly. He probably jumped the back fence because he wanted a little time before word got around and everyone knew he was gone. It is often claimed that he had too much heroin in his system to pull the trigger, but I don't believe that is true at all. If he was determined and fast about it, I'm sure he could shoot up and quickly pull the trigger. I'm sure he thought about it enough and was a pro at using smack, so the whole thing was well-rehearsed in his mind. And he probably used a LOT of heroin that last time with the intention of numbing any pain and OD'ing quickly if the shotgun wasn't an instant result. He shot up, put the barrel in his mouth and, as soon as he started to feel the heroin coming on, he blasted.
That does leave the weirdness of Courtney getting caught practicing his handwriting and possibly calling the police on herself for "drug" use in a hotel the night Kurt died. The drugs turned out to be fake, so she had a convenient alibi of being in jail the night Kurt died, and was released as soon as the drugs tested as fake. She also had a friend on the police force there.
So, it could all be a setup, but if it was, then apparently someone was waiting for Kurt at his own home and either tricked him into going to the greenhouse to shoot up or forcibly dragged him there while everyone else was spread around town looking for him. That's equally plausible, I suppose. I just think Kurt was pretty obviously ready to do the deed and jumping over the back fence of the rehab center makes a lot of sense if it was just his way of buying some time to be alone and do the deed.
@@AtacamaHumanoid I’m not sure your account of the deed really stacks up. The case file states that he was found with the needle and tourniquet removed, the drug kit packed away and his sleeve rolled down. He would have had to have done all that and then pull the trigger, despite subsequent forensic analysts saying that the quantity of heroin in his system was enough to immediately incapacitate even a hardened user.
Then there’s the matter of the blood, or lack of it. We would expect a huge amount of blood from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, yet there was only a small amount seeping out from his ear, suggesting that his heart had already stopped beating BEFORE the gunshot was fired.
The only time Id want to see Courtney Love unplugged is if she was on life support. X
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What a legendary comment. Unfortunately, I can only like it one time
respect. i feel the same.
If only we would all take turns at removing the plug, then popping it back in for seconds at a time. 🎉
Wow I had no idea about this. Actually pretty twisted of her to exploit him on such an artistic level
Not just artistic, but monetary and cultural, too--she's still clinging to his legacy because it's all she has
The only part the dude got right was parts talking about Courtney exploiting him. Most of this video is wrong.
He was just divorcing her & had already left her. He never k1lled himself. If he woulda stayed alive she would've gotten N O T H I N G. ZIP.
Z E R O.
Sayin he offer himself and that his "last song" helped to prove that, is hilarious.
@@actuallyNo... agreed 100% btw
That b**** did nothing but exploit Kurt.
it's her entire claim to fame
I was 13 when Kurt died and grew up in a town not far from where Kurt grew up in Washington. We all looked up to him and Nirvana. My whole generation looked at him as a voice for how we were feeling at the time; ignored, gaslit, abused. I was there at the International Fountain with friends and saw Courtney cry her fake tears. I'll never forget the look on her face; she was drinking in the attention between the bouts of sobbing.
Was 20 in Australia then. Fuck that hurt. Thank you for being there to witness. Your story will be spread Sandollor.. Never trusted woman. (Ass)hole unplugged is the right phrase for Courtney.
A gen x icon
Marrying a cluster B person is one of the worst mistakes anyone could ever do. I've witnessed people way less sensitive than Kurt driven to near suicide by merely dating them.
I know cluster B people didn't choose suffering from those issues but the last thing they and other people need are an intimate relationship invoving them. The best a cluster B person can do is opting out of such relationships for everyone's sake.
Someone who is actively not trying to heal themselves from cluster b disorder symptoms, sure, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say sensitive folks should stay away from us because we are extremely sensitive as well. I’ve found that relation between two people emotions can be a blessing in disguise because of the relatability factor
Who said sensitive people should stay away from cluster B's? He said everyone. Are you blind or cluster B
@@davegsuxreading comprehension... do you know her?
@@SavorthefuckinflavorYou’re only sensitive to the emotions you can weaponize. There’s nothing inside you. You are a completely empty shell. Any relationship you ever manage to have will end in disaster. Everyone will leave, because that’s what you deserve. That’s what it means to be what you are. Nothing you do will fundamentally change that. For anyone in your life, it’s only a matter of time before they figure you out. And inside, you already know. No matter how you spin in your cyclone, flailing for an alternative, you will always return to the hollow core. There is no “getting better”. You’re being milked by the mental health system. Parasites eating parasites, a vampiric circlejerk. And you love it. Sick.
Lyrics don’t tie into death. More towards divorce, which he was seeking at the time. No proof he killed himself. Theres more evidence pointing towards murder than suicide.
“She just wants to love herself” obvious wordplay and double meaning using Courtneys last name
His lyrics are She just wants to love himself. Because they are meaning that all Courtney wants if for Kurt Cobain to love himself but he cannot and thus he’s gonna end his life. The whole song is about his suicide.
Seems to me, the problem with the whole "tortured artist" thing is, while the artist vents his-her frustrations through said art, the persons problems never get addressed/resolved.
He did, in fact, solve his problems, just with a permanent solution. He now no longer has problems. Those around him, not so much.
She absolutely killed him, either directly or indirectly. My man would have had a few more years in him if he never met her. But she would have been nothing without him and billy
No. She tried to help him for the sake of himself and their daughter.
It's tough for fans to come to grips with the fact that someone they look up to and admire could do such a thing to themselves and to their loved ones.
@@liver-eatingjohnson7882she had a paper with handwriting practice in her backpack, and Kurt’s note implies that it was written in 1992-1993 outside of the last part which is in different handwriting
@@antman2960 where is this paper you speak of?
Just listen to the recordings from Tom Grant and Rosemary. She found the hand writing in Courtney’s backpack. Do a little research and you’ll see for yourself.
@@liver-eatingjohnson7882 couldn't tell you where it is, but this information came from a private investigator Courtney hired to find Kurt. Courtney had the paper with her practice of kurts handwriting in a backpack she left somewhere i cant remember and a woman found it and told the private investigator. this is all in soaked in bleach.
Kurt cobain stated several times that people read too much into his lyrics and they are literally scrambled together last second
But we know that's not completely true, and writers often say things like that anyway.
He also said the song “I hate myself and want to die” was a complete joke and wasn’t serious at all but if you read his journals he wrote about hating himself and wanting to die and then he did kill himself, so kurt saying his songs are meaningless isn’t the most reliable
He was also bipolar. People with bipolar disease often contradict themselves. It's like part of the whole thing.
Love doesn’t know the meaning of that word. My whole family feels that she had a hand in Kurt’s death. Thank you for this in depth analysis. Subscribed!😊
Plz. You’ve never met them. She’s far more intelligent than you think. She did drive him crazy.
@@marsoblivi0n945she isn’t very intelligent and you don’t need to know her to know that she had a hand in his death
@@sparklesfourtwenty well I’ve chilled with her and she’s more intelligent than she lets on in public. Kurt was with her for a reason. Your wrong.
@@sparklesfourtwentyimagine someone not knowing you personally at all, but they are convinced you’re a dumb murderer and say that their family(who know you just as much) feels the exact same way. It’s insane.
@@marsoblivi0n945she's clearly intelligent. Courtney is a good conversationalist and she's interesting I think anyway.
I think you are correct that he was with her for several reasons. The man could have had anyone and he loved her and married her and had a kid with her.
You never change someone else's lyrics. You play it is a cover.
Not a weird al fan eh
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Coolio sure isn’t.👍🥃
@@roseclimbpaintcontParody ≠ Cover
Why wouldn’t you change it if you wanted to?
It's pretentious.......
It took almost a decade to release because love and grohl and novacelic couldn’t come to an agreement. I don’t doubt that she took this into consideration.
Kurt didn’t kill himself.
Courtney spent alot of her daughter’s inheritance and clung to Kurt for fame and her ambitions to be a rockstar. She should be ashamed for that . I hold her partially responsible for kurts death because she drove him insane with her lust for money and fame. His wife instead of being his support group was a leach . The person that really got cheated in this was his daughter . I have the most sympathy for her. Addiction is a horrible thing and addicts need a friend not a gold & fame digger and a mooch.
All i can day is where was she at on their last anniversary? Planning to see kurt, or was she in london where Billy happened to be? Then after he fought with her, shed decided to go see him. Then exhauseted from all cheating, she fell asleep. Im sure the downers helped, ALOT. He was only with her for barely a couple years. And weeks after he was gone she was with Billy again at Canyon ranch. Grieving widow my ass.
I feel like Kurt would debunk this entire video if he were still here and once again state that the lyrics have no meaning. RIP KURdT
Cause it doesn’t have a negative meaning towards her people think they know him because they idolize him in a sick way Kurt loved Courtney and even if he wanted to divorce her he would always love her he’s said this numerous times doing interviews
I idolized Kurt when I was a kid. I got into music early on because the only kids I had to hang with were older. I was a skinny weird kid and seeing him who I thought was like me , an outcast. I was 12 when I found out my hero killed himself. It fucked me up. Now I'm older than he ever was with a daughter and an addiction to opiates. I'm currently weening myself down on subutex. I wish he would've gotten help.
Sir, you have photos I've never seen.. thanks! I was 21 when he passed. It tore a big part of my heart out. I appreciate this. ❤
This song is about a divorce, not about a suicide.
You mean murder
Nah yo you know you’re right is a break up song ain’t no words about Kurt’s suicide in it… cmon now
BUT in terms of your analysis of Courtney changing the lyrics of ykyr you’re spot on. .. it’s a heartbreaking change to his powerful lyrics BECAUSE it’s a break up song and she knew it… she knew he was putting everything he had into his music, and at that point she had drained all else from him. What better way to respond then the only way he could, with his lyrics, his guitar, his boys, and his voice.
That final track is fucking NIRVANA through and through.
Kurt couldn’t have written that song as suicide note, and I can’t accept that it’s lyrics can be interpreted as such… this witch of a woman had a hold on him, and eventually was responsible for him dying in some way… these lyrics are proof in the pudding… he wanted a divorce, he wanted to escape from Courtney, from nirvana… why do you think man was linking up with Michael stiep and rem?
He didn’t want to die
cant admit your idol was a talented junkie who CHOOSE to marry Courtney Love and end his own life? or maybe you think she put that shotgun inside his mouth with WITCHCRAFT 😂
EXACTLY ❤!!
Even if he’s said this numerous time he would always love Courtney no matter what he’s said this multiple times on interviews and would defend her always that’s why he bought her a diamond ring before his death so even if he wanted to leave Courtney and baby Frances he would always love them
You are wrong, the Person he hates,
is himself.
The song could be to anyone,
but he is disparaging himself.
When he says herself,he is talking about himself in the third person.
He love/hated everyone except his daughter whom he loved,
And himself whom he hated.
I guess it’s more vague from a historical perspective,
but as sarcastic as he always was,
He did communicate all of this when taking interviews somewhat seriously.
I love Nirvana and never really liked Courtney. I know she is to blame for Kurt's death, even if it's indirectly. And for her to exploit Kurt's art like that is wrong on so many levels. Kurt deserved better.
Doesn't everyone that performs some long dead songwriter's song exploiting that songwriter?
She had him killed mayne
He was worth more money dead than alive and she knew that. and she wouldn’t get anything if he left her, which is what he was gonna do.
Poor Kurt. He wasn't just famous, he's probably one of the most famous people ever. 30 yrs later
He probably would have been a lot happier working a day job and playing keg parties.
Fame is a disturbing phenomena.
Apparently it’s not for everyone.🤷♂️👍🥃
What gets me is when he sings "pain". You feel that.
And Courtney changed that line to "Hey". It's almost comical how ridiculous her changes are
@@SchizoPantheon I just read this since I never had any interest to Hole as I do to nirvana whatsoever, and this gave a goosebumps. How heartless can you be to change your deceased husband's "Pain" to something positive or monotonous like "Hey"... Damn dude...
@@SchizoPantheon When you listen to the “vocal only track” he clearly says “hey” not pain but with layered guitars, bass, and drums I can see why people hear it as “pain”
His main two problems in my opinion was Courtney and his addiction. I believe if he had purged himself of those two problems he would've loved being a famous artist and would've embraced it and would've done many more amazing things. Or he would've bought a castle in Europe somewhere and disappeared with his daughter.
According to Kurt, by the end, he HAD embraced it. He said in an interview that he had trouble with the fame when they first made it big, but by In Utero he was fine with it. He had ideas for upcoming projects, he was thrilled to be a dad, etc. I know the heroin caused him to start cutting his true friends (namely his band mates) out of his life, but I don’t believe for an instant that he was suicidal.
January 30, 1994 - Robert Lang Studios, North Seattle, WA where Nirvana recorded "You Know You're Right" It's true that Kurt showed up on the 3rd day without any of his equipment. But Kurt's guitar tech Earnie Bailey was there and he was luckily working on one of Kurt's Univox Hi-Flier (which was a Black Univox Hi-Flier Phase I or Phase II) which was modded by Earnie Bailey and Earnie had It In his car which he ran out and grab and Kurt used either a Boss Distortion (or maybe a Ibanez SM-9 Super Metal or Boss HM-3 Hyper Metal) from Earnie's Pedalboard and the amp Kurt used was a Marshall JMP50
That's what Kurt used to record "You Know You're Right" and before Nirvana recorded You Know You're Right when Kurt arrived Kurt listened to the tracks that Krist and Dave recorded the last 2 days (January 28 & 29, 1994) and Kurt complained about his back hurting from his Scoliosis and laid down on the cold tile floor and a Black Cat wandered Into the studio and Kurt drew a picture of the Black Cat on the walls of the Studio (It's supposedly still there to this day, Kurts drawing), and after recording "You Know You're Right" they took a dinner break and supposedly Kurt had Pizza and a glass of Milk. And when they returned to Robert Lang's Studio they recorded an Instrumental of the Unknown song mislabeled as "Ivy League" which Nirvana played live at the end of the December 29, 1993 - San Diego Sports Arena, San Diego, CA. And there may have been 2 more tracks recorded.
Appreciating your detailed knowledge. 👏👏👏
@@VanillaMacaron551 thanx, I sincerely appreciate that.
Incredible essay, hope this blows up.
If ur going to do a story on Cobain, you can’t keep referring to his death as a suicide. If anyone on the SPD would just _investigate_ the case, it would finally be listed (and closed) properly
First comment; this will have at least 10k views this time next week
Does that make you special?
Great analysis, very well done. I remember watching this show when it aired and that performance was certainly the highlight of the night. Later when I got ahold of Outcesticide V and heard Nirvana’s live version of the song entitled “Autopilot” that’s when the gears began to turn and then when the song we all know now was eventually released that’s when it all truly came together for me. Great Nirvana song, for sure, similar structure to other great songs like MV and All Apologies.
I do not agree with your analysis of the lyrics as a suicide 'note'. Leaving his current life behind is not necessarily an indication of suicidal tendencies, but a desire to get away from that which is causing him so much pain.
That song I believe was about Him finally leaving the spotlight and Courtney love, not killing himself.
This was amazing...thank you for creating and posting/sharing it.
For the disgusting people saying she murdered her husband... So you're saying that she wrote three suicide notes including one for Francis from Kurt, then proceeded to read the main one while bawling and responding to it angrily at some points in real time because she was so upset at what he did making her the greatest actress of all time (and I've seen her act she's good but not that freaking good). And also, what exactly was her motivation for murdering the father of her child? What he like wanted a divorce or something? She was afraid to lose money even though she had her own career? And so she kills him masterfully without any evidence? Give me a god damn break. This isn't a movie people it's real life with real people. Yeah she may be a shitty person but it doesn't make her a murderer. You people are seriously gross and should feel ashamed for saying stuff like that. It's especially disrespectful to Francis.
“Disgusting person” checking in, and YUP - that’s exactly what I’m saying. She doesn’t need to be the greatest actress of all time. Have you never regretted actions you took? She may have had regrets, she may have been feeding off the energy of the crowd, AND she may have been acting. Those three aren’t mutually exclusive.
For the “why”, Court’s band was technically more successful when they married, but Nirvana quickly surpassed them. Kurt helped write her songs, she drew a LOT of attention from being his wife, and stood to lose a lot in the divorce thanks to the prenup that *she’d* insisted on to protect her Hole “fortune.” By making herself a widow instead of a divorcée, she saved herself from all of that, and gets to bank off the connection for the rest of her life.
I can’t remember your other points, and the app won’t let me look while I type, so I’ll stop here, but if you open your mind even a teenie bit, you must admit that there are at least reasons to suspect wrongdoing in THIS case, never mind all the other deaths and shady dealings Courtney Love is connected to.
@@thehutch7728Kurt did not help Courtney write her songs. That is an assumption made by Nirvana fans to discredit Courtney’s songwriting abilities.
@@thehutch7728 what does regretting your actions have to do with anything? Courtney clearly was not acting, she was reacting to her husband taking his own life. She wasn't regretting her actions you literally just made that up.
Kurt did not help write a single note on Live Through This and the prenup was voided in probate court. She'd have taken Kurt to the cleaners in the event of a divorce. Is this the only loony conspiracy theory you believe in or are there others?
Love how this guy puts the letter D in so many different words it’s cool
Lol I just noticed that
So ironic that her unplugged performance is on Valentine's day of 95... Cuz on Valentine's day of 94 she was in London with Billy instead of being with Kurt ...
Watching the Nirvana concerts here on RUclips from that tour will really open your eyes to a lot of turmoil Kurt went through. And imo he did not "unalive" himself.
RIP Kurt ✌🎶🤘🎸🎤❤
Most of the people who say Courtney killed Kurt weren't around at the time or are just repeating what they've heard from videos like this.
Courtney was indeed a narcissistic fame whore, and their codependent relationship definitely contributed to Kurt's depression. But Courtney didn't kill Kurt. Kurt killed Kurt.
Great vid man! keep up the good work
Courtney latched on to Kurt as soon as she had a chance. If it wasn't him, it would have been someone else. She needed him to be rich and famous.
she needed him to be rich and famous? she already had career on her own before him, and was making music and movies still?
Courtney was already well on her way to fame and fortune when she met Kurt. she also had no idea how big Nirvana would get.
She thought she could steal his fans, kurt tried to give her fans! And wrote her album
Hole were platinum and has wrote most of the songs on LTT while Cobain was still living in his car broke.
@@DanathemaHole's best album was Live Through This and that was due to Kurt's influence as much as his songs that he gave to her due to her jealousy that he could pull a song together so quickly and it would be a hit. Live Through This never even went platinum. It went gold and you have been misinformed to say otherwise.
@@Danathemathat you Courtney?
Correct. She’s never been able to duplicate it, not only due to Kurt, but Kristen’s work.
There’s even an interview with the sound engineer in Brazil who worked with Kurt as he laid down the outlines for all the tracks on that album. She didn’t show up once.
@@Danathema
More revisionist history from the troll.
Once again as I believe we’ve already gone over this but you seem incapable of accepting easily verified facts:
POTI was released Sept 17, 1991 and sold 200,000 copies, which doesn’t even begin to hit Platinum, let alone gold, which requires 500,000 records.
Nevermind was released 10 days later on Sept 24, 1991, went Diamond and to date has sold over 30 million copies, and continues to sell, making it one of the most popular selling albums of all time. With the band charting a total of 10 #1 hit songs, including this one which remained for four weeks in the spot.
LTT was released April 12, 1994, one week after Kurt’s death with her bragging that his death would help her to sell her record.
It sold 1.3 million copies, with how many #1 hit songs total? Except for one in the UK. I forget.
Oh that’s right, none.
It was sad to think he left us..but it's devastating to know he was taken 💔
well put.
I'm torn between hating Courtney and being thankful for her for hiring me to work on a film about Nirvana. Courtney had liked a film I worked on about Deep Purple and she said "I want these people to make a film about Nirvana". She basically stayed out of our way and we made an awesome film. BUT their relationship was extremely toxic and during the film I had a dream in which Kurt came to me and said "I wish I had never killed myself because I never got a chance to raise my daughter" He knew it was a mistake. He said he was still here as a ghost. Pretty freaky stuff.
Its tragic that most people that hadn't started listening to Nirvana before 1994 think Kurt was constantly depressed, miserable, suicidal, strung out, that he didn't want to be famous etc...Its even more tragic that people let Courtney get away with having Kurdt murked...Im not going sit here and hash out that argument, but if you believe Krdt took his own life then I have a bridge to sell you.. As soon as Kurdt died people threw out their original interpretations of his lyrics and threw them out the window to fit the whole aforementioned narrative,.
When he played Where Did You Sleep Last Night live after he found out Courtney Love was cheating on him during Valentines Day and he hit the infamous D#5 note, which nobody should ever try to sing cause you might destroy your vocal chords beyond repair, but Kurt didn't just hit the note, he used his anger and heartbreak to go up another half note before his voice cracks and gives out. It literally sounds like your phone is turning its own volume up by itself. It does not sound pleasant at all, but it sounds awesome, which is a paradox, but what do you expect from Kurt? Here we are, 30 years after his death worshiping his awesomeness. I think Kurt Cobain being awesome is the only thing GenX and GenZ agree on concerning music
Idk.. the more I read about her… as bad as she was, is I guess we all have a purpose in this world.
If hers was to have Frances Bean, her and Kurt’s daughter and then eventually out Hollywood’s most vile perverts like Harvey Weinstein, who are we to judge? We’re all human. We’ve all done some really crappy things we regret and we’ve also done good. We’re all still here because our life isn’t done yet and we’re all still learning. Hopefully learning to be better.
Calling out Weinstein was worth the price of admission alone.👍🥃
@@BillMcGirr Amen and thank you to her for it!👍💕
It’s never the good things anyone hears about a famous person doing BEFORE DIE and everyone says how wonderful they were AFTERWARDS.
This comes on the heels of another actor’s death, Mathew Perry. He was an addict no less than Courtney Love. Why don’t more people know this about her?!
Loathe Alpha female types. Just like her dad. Kurt absolutely loathed the bones off the woman at the end. He was leaving her. Not life. She had something to do with it .. (prefered him dead than smiling with another)
Just a Narcissistic person. Toxic femininity they'd call it now. Glad it's finally coming to light. Women who through a close relationship prey like a vulture on a good man's kindness and ignorance.And just in general. My mum was one. Looking back at some high profile men, it's obvious now. John Lennon, McCartney (Heather), Prince Harry, Johnny Depp, Poor Kurt and i'm hearing now even Elvis. Prisc was of the same school. Fascinating to watch Markle unravel and if you hear that tape of the phone conversation between Courtney and Tom Grant you'd really hear what she thot of him #MenToo
Tell em mama ... the truth. Right? Took the reigns and pulled them for her own goals and aspirations. All the Seattle boys knew to stear clear. The witch they hid from. Layne and mark always hid from her
The Truth! ;) They must know.We don't know them as people but i'm picking up Kurt had a satirical, creative state of mind. He was not literal, but metaphorical. She took his dark musings as excuse make him look irresponsible, as narcissists love to do and make themselves look superior. Flip, don't make me angry. This is a thread in all Narcs. The ''trying to help their victim'..Pushed it so far she staged an intervention..They say it wasn't a suicide attempt the first time but a drugging. He was scared for his life. The only story we have that Kurt was suicidal is from her. Narcs suck in their victim and take all their good qualities for themselves extinguishing and discrediting them in the them in process to make themselves look like saviours.and It's a hard one to watch. But there in Black and white. And then of course there's El Duce and Kirsten. A trail of deaths. Drug ones they don'y even consider murder. I bet she knew that.
ps;She never made it in the acting world because she was just too lacking in conscience. I love the Mtv clip where she interrupts a mADONNA interview. Now Madonna is a Narc but she's scared stiff of her@@adamturner1563
They must have been able to spot a fake try hard a mile off.@@adamturner1563
FINALLY ! Somebody who gets it. I've said it for years and years and years. No conspiracy at all. Heroin people around that kinda money? Absolutely snuffed him out. Kurt had his eyes on a prettier and more talented female. We both know who that was too. 100 percent! No doubt in my mind. (Look at what young heroin addicts with no money do to eachother) kurt was always hiding. (Same with Staley) he knew how the industry worked and wanted out. Kurt did too, half the time. No place for the sensitive. Thank you for the reply 👍
I am a massive Nirvana fan, I've read, watched and collected everything that I could possibly afford. This song is not a suicide song. That is silly. It was leaving his wife and music spotlight. I believe that there is a 3% chance that "she" had nothing to do with his death. Directly or indirectly, sadly we will never know if Kristen and him would have ridden into the sunset after hiring the "meanest most vicious divorce lawyer". His music will live forever!
Thank you. Kurt was really loved , and I believe that his obviously toxic relationship caused people to blame Courtney.
Yea, she is reprehensible, but Kurt had issues before. Her cheating was just another catalyst for his untimely death
Kinda off topic but any advice on getting 2 affiliated / knowledgeable on Nirvana and bands alike ?? I recently got into nirvana and a few other bands and I’m absolutely obsessed tho I’m not fully sure how 2 get more “educated” on nirvana ? Idk if this makes sense aa also where’s good places 2 get Merch and collectibles etc ?
absolute nonsense. you have no idea what this song is about that just your own biased, highly subjective opinion on what its about. He wasn't leaving his wife they weren't even separated. There is a zero percent chance Kurt did anything except take his own life and bail on his family. Kristen and Kurt ride off into the sunset? LOL sure they were. Talk about wishful thinking, good grief. Kristen and Kurt were never an item that is pure fan fiction.
Kurt and Kristen Pfaff became close friends which made Courtney jealous. Both were leaving Courtney, neither got out alive.
Kurt took his own life and Kristen died of an OD. don't do drugs or loony conspiracy theories.
This song is more about Courtney than killing himself.
U made a great point and did a great job on this,I've been listening to nirvana since they came out and I never noticed this twist she put on his song to favor herself 😮man 👍 great job! Your like a detective 😜
I wonder if the one she is singing is a version Kurt played for her privately. probably not but maybe?
Courtney ruined him. I'm convinced he'd still be alive today had he never met that leech.
She was jealous of his talent she knew she would never be as good as he was she want in to nirvana but he would not let her take over his band so she had him killed for the money the band was making. All she be known as his widow nothing more.
Remember when they discovered this song in like 2007 and they played it for 24 hours straight on loop and nobody complained. Even if people didn't like the song, they agreed that it was worthy of 24 hours of straight uninterrupted play time because Kurt was that awesome
I remember how haunting and ominous that song was when it was discovered. It was Kurt was reaching out from the otherside to remind us of the time when music represented freedom and being yourself, and everybody seemed to be having the same thoughts and ideas as Kurt cause everybody went crazy when they blew up. Everybody
I can't believe Kurt loved her so much and all that. People in the area knew he was seeing someone in the U district of Seattle, and was really into them. It was speculated he may leave his wife, and the band to do other things. He had plans. That was just right before he died.
Also when a person is 'so in love', they want to see them and be near. He was very busy ignoring her, and her phone calls at the end of their marriage.
Kristen Pfaff?
“On the coattails of a deadman she’ll ride, she’ll ride…”
The primary contributor to Kurt's suicide was mental illness and intense heroin addiction. You can dislike Courtney for many things, but she didn't cause his suicide. That's disingenuous, lazy, and wrong.
Ask Il Duce about Kurt's death.
Oh. Wait. You can't. Dude got merc'd.
Dude was a bi polar, alcoholic, drug addict. That in itself is a recipe for suicidal ideation. Throw in the fact he hated fame, recently attempted and failed committing suicide. dropped his baby daughter whilst high, and etc. etc.. Bro killed himself. He did the “I really wanna effin die” way of shooting himself up with a high dose of smack and then shooting himself up with a shotgun. I read a story recently about a woman that killer herself by shooting herself in the head AFTER jumping off a cliff where the fall woulda killed her anyway. Some ppl just really want to die and pull a double whammy to ensure they do. After his failed attempt, this makes total sense. I hope his soul, if we have one after we croak, is at peace.
I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, but I never said that Courtney killed him, only that she contributed to him killing himself and exploited his death
When you listen to the “vocal only track” he clearly says “hey” not pain but with layered guitars, bass, and drums I can see why people hear it as “pain”
Awesome vid mate!
Really well researched!
Lots luv from the UK!💖💖
She call herself love the kill machine
I believe he was talking about leaving the marriage and starting a new relationship. Somewhere else with some other person she knew and had killed. Why do you think he bought 2 extra tickets? I for his child. And the other was for a somebody else. And it wasn't Courtney cause he was leaving her.
Plaff
You have way too much confidence in your interpretation of Cobain's lyrics. And that's fine, but you're making content that is misleading a lot of people.
courtneys interpretation of the song isn’t showing betrayal, it’s showing how she was feeling at the time and she used her husbands song bc she was grieving. i hate the narrative that she wasn’t disturbed and distraught by his death, her performing his song and changing lyrics is her way of paying homage and if most people don’t like that then most people don’t know courtney
Not trying to be argumentative, i just want to hear out why you don’t think this is bad. To me it does seem odd that she would change the lyrics in a song written about Kurt’s bad mental state and her part in it to a completely different meaning right after his death. That to me seems super insensitive and deliberate, to chose such a song and alter it in that way.
@@jh7127 you have to consider her state of mind at the time too during this. she wasn’t gonna pull of of their hits and play that bc that would only just make more people mad that she “ruined” a nirvana song. courtney is known for changing lyrics to her own songs in her own performances so her choosing to change the words she did from what they were is really nothing more than a creative choice made by a misunderstood grieving widow. she may or may not have fully known what the song was even about, whether that being about her or kurt’s mental state. what i do know and what i will stand by is i hate when people come for courtney without knowing shit about her. i’ve taken my time and spent countless hours watching videos and interviews and concerts of her to try and fully understand why she was so hated amongst the grunge community and especially nirvana fans. their relationship was toxic and tumultuous but you can’t say they didn’t love each other. courtney’s choice to not only perform this song but also change lyrics shows how she was feeling at the time and how she saw things, she was speaking thru kurt in her own words. i don’t understand what’s so wrong with that
@@jh7127 this performance was also nearly a year after kurts death, holes unplugged was february of 1995 and kurt died in april 1994. almost a year there, so for someone to make the argument that it’s insensitive to do right after his death, yeah maybe like weeks or so after. this was almost a year after his death and she was incredibly fucked up at this performance i know for a fact so the lyric changing could also have just been a result of courtneys addictions and tendencies to slur or misuse lyrics
You make some good points, but my main argument is that she specifically introduces the song as the last one Kurt had written. She sets up the song as coming from Kurt's perspective, not hers. And while the smaller changes, like "will" to "would" can definitely be accidental or slurring words, I think some of the changes to the lyrics are too great to be an accident or misremembering the original lyrics. It definitely comes across as an intentional rewrite. And even if we assume that she rewrote the lyrics to be from the perspective of a grieving widow, I don't think adding "I have never felt so well" fits that narrative (and is also an incredibly insensitive line to add when singing about your husband's somewhat recent death)
@@SchizoPantheon idk just like the song says, you’ve got no right. interpret it as you wish and hate her for changing words, you’ve got no right. it’s ironic how kurt can use the words “things have never been so swell” and everyone knows or just assumes he’s being sarcastic and joking but assuming her lyric change “i have never felt so well” isn’t coming from the exact same place 🤷♀️ just seems like another vid for angry nirvana fans (my room is adorned with kurt posters and i have almost all their vinyls so i can say this) to blame courtney for yet another thing. go back and watch some hole concerts from before kurt died and tell me when they didn’t perform a nirvana song she didn’t change some lyrics. but i guess it’s “disrespectful” 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️ c’est la vie… i’ll defend courtney any day of the week and when she’s in the wrong i think i’m more than capable to admit she’s done some shitty things. i just don’t agree with the argument in this case and i’m stating my opinion as someone who actually listens to both their music
Nirvanas Acoustic cover of *WHERE DID U SLEEP LAST NIGHT?* is my Fave cover of that song *EVER* And Very Apt Too!!
Great video man! Earned my sub for sure. Courtney Love is a terrible terrible person and always has been. Her own father believes she had Kurt killed, if I'm not mistaken. Not sure what my opinion is on that theory but it's intriguing.
I'd never heard about this song or about this controversy-- this was a great take. Thanks!
I was born within 48 hours of Kurt. It's great he forever will be a young man. Hard to imagine we're both almost 57. I barely made it through those years as well. My name on here coming from the two things that kept me from doing just that in my mid 20s, music and weed. It got me through my breakup and split from the pain pills I was getting from different doctors back then. But I didn't have Courtney. I'll always think she killed him. Because she thought his giving it all up, she wouldn't be famous anymore like he'd made her. So she hired someone to put the valium in his root beer. And when he was out of it, injected him and blew his brains out. My best friend did the same thing, but with a .357 magnum in his mouth. And although he was the best hunter I knew, pulled enough to shank the bullet, and live 6 weeks in coma in the hospital before family pulling the plug. They both were on an unlimited supply of the same drug. My friends coming from a huge inheritance that allowed him to go back to using. Although he was hiding it from me. Really sucks they couldn't find a way out.
It’s not a coincidence that the one great record Courtney ever made sounds like Nirvana. Kurt clearly wrote those songs.
Love made several great records, most of the songs were written before they got together and Cobain was influenced by Hole - by Love as a lyricist and Erlandson as a guitarist.
LTT sounds nothing like Nirvana.
Your little misogynistic theories are wrong
@@Danathemaif he says that about Hole it's not misogynistic lol. As harted for Courtney should be universal and pretty justified
@@Danathema You have no clue what you’re talking about.
Kurt only wrote a few songs for Hole and she wrote before and after him.
When Kurt wrote "Rape Me" Courtney took it literally after his death. She had no right murdering this song. Listen to the live version from the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago 1993. It is so sonically and vocally, lyrically amazing compared to the studio version. Imagining hearing it for the first and only time live makes it all the more haunting. It's a song about him walking away from her and everything...then she has the audacity. Dead men don't pull triggers #Justiceforkurt
Hell of alot of conjecture.
Love did an intervention before he died and made him go to rehab and she also went to rehab, he escaped rehab, she didn't know where he was. He was the one who escaped rehab. Look at how she eventually got clean, she wasn't joking about quitting.
Yeah this video is a disgusting character assisination. Courtney Love is not a good person but claiming she's a psychopathic murderer is vile.
She killed him. He was tired and wanted out. She wouldn't have anything if it wasn't for Kurt.
She was literally in another state in rehab at the time his family has asked people multiple times to stop doing this let that man rest
I can't stand her will not ever speak her name she cared more about herself then Kurt he'd probably still be here if he would have never met her rest in peace Kurt Cobain your music will always be playing in my home I would have loved to have more of it but your time on earth touched so many people you'll never be forgotten that voice OMG that voice
@7:08 I don't buy that dude. You look at his artwork, journals, lyrics and interviews and it screams "antinatalist" to me. This is just normal people trying to revise history to make Cobain more like themselves. I think he loved Frances when she was born, but I don't think he really wanted to be a father. I actually think Courtney got pregnant on purpose to force the marriage.
Kurt Cobain was a good man but not a normal one. He and Courtney were both on herion, I don't think he's heartless enough to wanna put a baby in that environment.
whats the 2nd beat u used?
nvm it's in the description ty
@@silver0653 Watch out if you use the last one. Someone has a false Content ID claim set up for it with their own song that uses the beat
@@SchizoPantheon ty for the heads up!
@@silver0653 no worries!
Another great video. I hope you get millions of views my friend. Keep up the good work👍💯🖤
Someone please take the box off of the narrators head?
Will never forget when this song came out I think 2002-2003 i was in high school I had just got the "new" album and you know you're right was on it made me overjoyed.
Dude he was murdered stop embarrassing yourself
trump boot licker ewww
Thank you for this analysis. It’s very interesting
Hey! He was moving to the east coast. I can’t stand when you younger people talk about Kurt’s suicide as factual when it’s just not true.
Just because someone goes through suicidal thoughts doesn’t mean they were not murdered
Courtney knew and she covered it up.
Man this channel is pretty cool, I watched a video a while ago, and then happen to find this one an now I’m subbed
Post Malone is not with a girl like Love. He is still alive.
Dude keeps talking like Kurt actually did kill himself...thumbs down
you think he lives on a private island with michael jackson and occasionally they have gay sex? take your meds go back to bed
Goddamn Kurt fell for Courtney, initially attracted to her being a daring outrageous irreverent rock chick. But holy shit he could have had anyone …he realized his mistake after being with her awhile(we can all relate).
the nicest guys fall for the most horrendous succubi...
i would have treated that man like a king and got him off drugs. he was truly so beautiful inside and out
It's very clear you never listen even one Kurt interview. He always says , don't take my lyrics literally!!!! And all the BS you talk about Kurt, Is Courtney paying you for this ??
Yes, Courtney Love paid me to make an 18 minute video slandering her
Michael Jackson, Sam Cooke, Kurt, and various other artist who died of suspicious circumstances right when they were going against their record label or about to leave. Jackson was a few weeks away from owning a 51% controlling share of Sony but, of course, he died suddenly from being drugged by his doctor. Keep in mind Jackson’s doctor had no reason or excuse to give Jackson a lethal dose of a regular medication like that. Jackson also had bruises on his wrists, and an injury/bruise on his chest from someone’s knee being on Jackson’s chest! So, why was Jackson Being pinned down by security paid to protect him, and why was his own doctor giving him a large overdose? When billions of dollars are at stake, you can get very powerful people, the the police, etc. to turn a blind eye…or even help
She sacrificed him for her own fame