Evolution of the Modern USMC Squad (Cold War to Future)

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    General Source:
    • Sayen, John. (2001) “Battalion: An Organizational Study of the United States Infantry.” Working paper, Marine Corps Combat Development Command
    Specific Sources:
    • Marine Corps Table of Organization G-1 “Rifle Company, Infantry Battalion, Infantry Regiment” (HQMC Washington DC dated 1 May 1945).
    • Marine Corps Table of Organization K-1013 “Rifle Company, Infantry Battalion, Infantry Regiment Marine Division, FMF” (HQMC Washington DC 31 May 1949 with Change #10 29 December 1951) with Table of Equipment K-1013 dated 1 August 1950.
    • Marine Corps Table of Organization M-1013 “Rifle Company, Infantry Battalion, Infantry Regiment, Marine Division, FMF;” (Washington DC dated 16 January 1961 with updates through 6 June 1967).
    • Marine Corps Tables of Organization 1013G “Rifle Company, Infantry Battalion, Infantry Regiment, Marine Division, FMF;” (Washington DC dated 12 December 1975).
    • Marine Corps Tables of Organization 1013C “Rifle Company, Infantry Battalion, Infantry Regiment, Marine Division, FMF” (all Washington DC 22 January 1985)
    • Marine Corps Tables of Organization 1013F or G “Rifle Company, Infantry Battalion, Infantry Regiment, Marine Division, FMF” (all Washington DC 17 August 1989).
    • MCWP 3-11.2 Marine Rifle Squad
    • "15-Marine rifle squad: An exclusive look inside the future infantry" www.marinecorpstimes.com/news...
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    • "Marines are officially getting a brand new rifle optic" taskandpurpose.com/military-t...
    Intro: (0:00)
    Cold War: (0:31)
    Modern: (6:33)
    Future: (10:04)

Комментарии • 657

  • @songbird0152
    @songbird0152 3 года назад +1805

    Not sure if you are aware, but your videos on the composition of the Marine Corps Rifle Squad are actually integrated into official Marine Corps training. The online assignments for Corporal's Course ( a three week class to train and prepare NCO's for small unit leadership) includes both videos. The student must then write an essay summarizing all the topics you have covered. Your content is so good, it is actually utilized by the DoD to train noncommissioned officers!

    • @ZhukelDror
      @ZhukelDror 2 года назад +207

      Well then, is he being paid? Lol.

    • @tengkualiff
      @tengkualiff 2 года назад +106

      Thats good to hear. Though, hopefully they improve on their training method as to not rely too much external sources.

    • @panimala
      @panimala 2 года назад +21

      Thanks for the source mate.

    • @militustoica
      @militustoica 2 года назад +57

      Pay the man

    • @DTOStudios
      @DTOStudios 2 года назад +115

      @@tengkualiff why not? If someone is already providing the material at cheaper cost. Easier to just use this, cheaper than producing their own, and it is as effective as what the DoD would use. Why would they need to produce their own material when that would actually cost money?

  • @thesaplingturtle290
    @thesaplingturtle290 3 года назад +1160

    As a Marine who served 2010-2014 i have to say well researched. There are tons of terribly researched videos about the military (especially the corps) on youtube and this exquisite.

    • @arthas640
      @arthas640 3 года назад +57

      Alot of the videos seem to be made by armchair generals/historians and mainly just use pop culture knowledge, or they're made by some guy who spent 2 years in the Nevada naval reserve 15 years ago and still thinks hes a real soldier

    • @seanlambert-knight4735
      @seanlambert-knight4735 3 года назад +37

      @@arthas640 nevada naval reserve lol

    • @arthas640
      @arthas640 3 года назад +38

      @@seanlambert-knight4735 its second only to the Kansas alpine division in terms of elitism

    • @rc-pm1fe
      @rc-pm1fe 3 года назад +5

      Marine here 2010-2014 29 palms 0351, my MOS will soon be no more.

    • @christaylor6654
      @christaylor6654 3 года назад +6

      Agreed, I am a marine fallujah veteran he is spot on

  • @BMF6889
    @BMF6889 3 года назад +127

    I joined the Marine Corps in 1967 and was commissioned in 1968 with an 0302 MOS. Training at The Basic School (TBS) for officers, Quantico, VA was a little less than 6 months at the time, a significantly reduced training time due to the demands of Vietnam, but it was good training. During OCS and TBS we trained with the M-14. Our 782 gear was strictly WW II / Korean War vintage except for the plastic canteens. Also we did not train with camouflage uniforms. We were never introduced to the M-16.
    I arrived in Vietnam in Dec 1968 and assigned as a platoon commander in the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marines, Echo Company. I was issued an M-16 which I had only seen in photos of Vietnam. It was embarrassing to have my Marines show me how to disassemble the M-16.
    As I recall (51 years ago) I was supposed to have 3 fire teams of 13, a platoon guide, a platoon sgt, a radio operator, a Corpsman, and me. That should be about 44 Marines. However, I never had more than 34 Marines in my platoon at any one time and that included an attached machine gun squad, and a 60 mm mortar squad that were also under strength.
    This required continuous task organization of available resources to carryout specific missions and I was creative in the weapons I had in the squads. The M-16 didn't have much penetrating power so one Marine in each squad carried an M-14, which was also used for rifle grenades or a squad level mortar since we only had on M-79 in the platoon. We were supposed to have more, but there wasn't the manpower because I needed riflemen more than grenadiers and each squad had an M-14 with rifle grenades.
    When I first arrived my radio operator "J J Jones" carried a PRC 25. It was not that reliable especially in bad weather. Later we were issued the PRC-77. It was heavier, encrypted, and required frequent changes of batteries which meant we had to carry more spare batteries. Because it was encrypted it had an encryption book for changing the encryption code every 24 hours. Loss of that code book was a court martial offense. Think about that. We are in a war and the weather in the monsoon season was horrible and the code book was just a paper book. Trust me, during the monsoon, it was impossible to keep anything dry. Our uniforms rotted off of us.
    Later in my tour, platoons were given a second Corpsman due to high casualties. For example, one morning I had 34 Marines and Corpsman in my platoon. At sunset, only four of use were still unwounded and alive. The rest were either killed or wounded and evacuated. One of my Corpsmen was killed that day. The next day, I received 17 new Marines and that night we were mortared and all 17 were wounded and evacuated. Casualties were high for short periods of time and there were long periods of little or not action.
    The only navigation aids I had was a compass and outdated French 1:50,000 French maps. Later I received satellite photograph "Picto Maps" . They were better but they also had clouds in the photos and so if we happened to be in one of those cloud areas or engaged in a firefight, there wasn't a lot we could do in calling in accurate artillery or air support. Pilots used aeronautical maps that didn't sync up to the maps we were using, but somehow we got the job done.
    We did have a night division device call a Starlight Scope, but it was first generation and not that great, but the biggest problem was getting batteries for it. I had one Starlight Scope in the platoon, but without batteries it wasn't very useful. We did have batteries at times, and it was a cutting edge technology that I appreciated, but I only had one and so the question was who could best utilize it. I decided that one of my M-14 Lance Cor
    Water was a major problem. There was no such thing as bottled water. Nor was there a way to get bulk water to us in the field. So we filled our canteens with whatever local water was available including rice paddy water when nothing else was available and just put 4 times the water purification tablets in the canteens. Still, we all had the shit's the entire time.
    Ammunition was more important than food, so on extended patrols / sweeps / platoon operations, one C-Ration had to last 2-3 days most of the time and most of us extended a C-Ration to 4 days. But doctrine, a Marine was to receive 3 C-Rations a day. Why? Because during the monsoon season, it was often impossible to get a resupply to us in the mountains. This is why I arrived in Vietnam weighing 160 pounds and left Vietnam 130 pounds.
    There was no unit continuity or training. Marines were rotated in and out of Vietnam as individuals. I wish I had kept a record, but during most of my year in Vietnam as a platoon commander, I'm guessing I had 75-100 Marines pass through my platoon due to casualties and rotations back to the US. Unit integrity was impossible and there was no time allowed to pull back and retrain.
    I had kids join my platoon and the same day were in a body bag or medivaced to a field hospital.
    One night during a company operation in a valley, apparently a Recon team in the mountains above us thought we were a North Vietnamese army unit and called in artillery on us. It was a 155 mm battery TOT of 6 rounds (that is 36 rounds) on us at about 1 am. I remember I was up to relieve myself when it hit. I dropped to the ground cursing my buttons for not allowing be to get any lower. The shrapnel cut down Marines, trees, and saplings. It was after dawn that we were still medivacing the dead and wounded. There is a lot of chaos in combat and sometimes friendlies get killed. Later that morning, we saddled up and continued our mission with many fewer Marines. In combat, you have to just put the bad behind you and get the mission done.
    Despite everything against us, including the insane Rules of Engagement, we managed to complete every mission we were given... though looking back, I don't know how.
    I have no idea how I completed a year there without being wounded or killed since commanders and radio operators were the prime targets in firefights. For some (maybe most) it will sound weird, but my girlfriend gave me a Sterling Silver cross with a St. Christopher medallion to keep me safe and honestly believe that mattered because I should have died multiple times that year. And when I say I should have died, I don't mean close calls. I mean I should have died or have been severely wounded. Example: I stepped on two booby traps and one Chinese mine that all failed to detonate. The Chinese mine because the idiot who planted it forgot to remove the safety pin.
    Later in the 1980's I spent two years as a counter-insurgent advisor to the host nation Army and Navy in Latin America. Not as dangerous as Vietnam but dangerous. My SUV was ambushed and my host nation driver killed, and all US military in that country were targeted. It wasn't anything close to Vietnam, but during those two years, about 30 US military were killed and 3 times that wounded. Individuals were put in for the Bronze and Sliver Star combat awards, but all were denied because of political considerations. To this day the American people have zero idea how many US military were killed and wounded in that country. And I believe it was a political decision.
    I digress.
    So much for some war stories. I'm stunned at the technology Marine have today: laser ranger finders, GPS navigation, radios down to the individual, weapons that would make the ones we had in Vietnam like bows and arrows, smart bombs, reliable communications, everyone has a night vision device, etc... etc... etc..
    I know that the Marine Corps has an honest system for trying to reorganize the platoons and companies, but they really need to rely on the combat experience of the senior NCO's and officers on the front lines instead of the budget process. I have always said that I would rather have a company of two platoons (a company normally has 3 platoons and a weapons platoon) of highly motivated and trained Marines than three platoons of Marines who have been short changed in their training.
    And to be honest, I don't think a company needs a weapons platoon. Just allocate a squat of machine guns and mortars to each platoon and eliminate the weapons platoon. Why? Because the company commander can always reallocate weapons as needed to either be attached or in direct or general support. So you might ask, why have them permanently assigned when the Company commander can reorganize them? Because as a platoon commander I'd rather have weapons permanently assigned to the platoon so that I can train with them on a daily basis instead of having them assigned to me without any training with my platoon.
    Sorry for the long post. But discussions of current weapons and squad organizations triggers the Vietnam experience in me. Some reorganization is sometimes necessary, but personally I thin that it needs to be in weapons and not in structure.
    As a platoon commander I needed three maneuver squads, and as a company commander I would have liked the four platoon configuration so I had three platoons to maneuver and one in reserve, which company commanders no longer have because companies now are only three platoons. Instead of three platoons up on the line with one in reserve, we now only have two platoons on the line and one in reserve.
    Think about it. We won WW II but have lost all other major combats. Not so much because of Marine reorganization but because of the lack of political will to win.
    So maybe all of the changes in Marine organization were OK but that the lack of the political will to win makes any reorganization meaningless.
    My apologies for the long post, but sometimes things trigger my Marine Corps experiences.

    • @flankerrulz
      @flankerrulz Год назад +17

      Sir, your post was as informative and insightful as this video👍

    • @frankedgar6694
      @frankedgar6694 Год назад +11

      BMF6889. I found your post to be refreshing. I caught the very tail end of Vietnam and spent time in a variety of countries in Central and South America. you brought ba o both good and bad memories. My CO was killed in 75. In about 2001, at Christmas, it occurred to me that his baby girl would be 30 something and never knew her dad. Christmas is always tough for me now. My son was born about 6 months after his death so our kids are 2-3 years apart.

    • @deismoday
      @deismoday 9 месяцев назад +3

      I love posts like this.
      Am in the Army myself and I enjoy learning through the experiences of others. Thank you for your service, Sir.

    • @hellskitchen10036
      @hellskitchen10036 9 месяцев назад +4

      Vietnam Corpsman in 68 , hit on patrol, somehow medivac to states, woke up in naval hospital without a lung ..still don't know what happened. Thank you for your amazing post.

    • @horseman2777
      @horseman2777 5 месяцев назад

      Accounts like this are extremely important, so that people (including those making decisions) don’t forget the struggles and lessons learned. Thank you so much for the time you took to write this.

  • @alexanderpisman
    @alexanderpisman 3 года назад +516

    Honestly, at this point you're outdoing major tv channels and most youtube history channels as well. The best patreon donation I've ever made. Keep it going!

  • @mantenostatehospital
    @mantenostatehospital 3 года назад +137

    As currently serving in the USMC, with 3 mos’s two being 03 mos’s this is pretty accurate. My unit runs in 16 man squads. And has for a while, also ranks are pretty all over the place. I’ve seen a whole squad of PFC’s, squads of all SGT’s and everything in between.

    • @arronlockyer5424
      @arronlockyer5424 3 года назад +1

      Fellow Patriots we need your help...! I am retired USMC Mustang after 28 years! This is my son account. He was a VOLUNTEER FIREMAN, AND VOLUNTEER EMS. He was always there to help others in their time of need! Its simple can you skip an extra cup of coffee a few times this week to help someone that would help you?? We have all said we will help fellow Patriots in their time of need and we all stand together!!!... Please help .. www.gofundme.com/f/help-cervical-spinal-problems

    • @catsfrommars
      @catsfrommars 3 года назад +6

      Sounds about right lol

    • @Shyguy380
      @Shyguy380 3 года назад +6

      I'm a candidate in the officer program and was confused watching the video since everything we're being taught is four fireteams in a squad (16 people). It makes more sense to me since fireteam formations would directly translate to a squad level.

    • @naruhinafan94
      @naruhinafan94 3 года назад +5

      @@Shyguy380 They’re teaching you guys four fire teams per squad, now? Never heard of adding more than three. Just think of any formation above fire team level as being like a three man fire team. The additional billets go where they have the most control/capability to carry out their duty

    • @Shyguy380
      @Shyguy380 3 года назад +8

      @@naruhinafan94 I think I may have been mistaken. We had a knowledge class last night and talked about the SULE. The way you explained it makes sense, I appreciate it.

  • @BattleOrder
    @BattleOrder  3 года назад +236

    Here is a list of weapons that were officially under the Company's Weapons Platoon and detailed out to Rifle Platoons on a temporary or permanent basis at various times:
    - 60mm Mortars
    - M1919/M60/M240 Medium Machine Guns
    - 3.5" Bazookas/SMAW anti-tank weapons
    - M202 MSFW
    And weapons that are officially under the Battalion's Weapons Company and can be detailed out to Rifle Companies if needed:
    - 81mm Mortars
    - Javelin ATGMs (formerly M47 Dragons)
    - Heavy Machine Guns

    • @pyeitme508
      @pyeitme508 3 года назад +4

      Thanks for telling dude!

    • @samgraham2110
      @samgraham2110 3 года назад +5

      Don't forget the laser guided M220A1 TOW under Weapon's Company.

    • @KenshiroPlayDotA
      @KenshiroPlayDotA 3 года назад +4

      The part about the 15-man Marine squad fitting into a single clown car, aka Humvee, is missing. :D

    • @samgraham2110
      @samgraham2110 3 года назад +1

      @@KenshiroPlayDotA "You can always fit one more..."

    • @KenshiroPlayDotA
      @KenshiroPlayDotA 3 года назад +1

      @@samgraham2110 Eugen Systems didn't dare create squads of 16 men or more. :P

  • @dragonsbreath1984
    @dragonsbreath1984 3 года назад +181

    When i went to boot camp in 89 we used the m16a2. During our first classroom instruction on marksmanship we watched the “Me and my M14” film.

    • @arronlockyer5424
      @arronlockyer5424 3 года назад +7

      Fellow Patriots we need your help...! I am retired USMC Mustang after 28 years! This is my son account. He was a VOLUNTEER FIREMAN, AND VOLUNTEER EMS. He was always there to help others in their time of need! Its simple can you skip an extra cup of coffee a few times this week to help someone that would help you?? We have all said we will help fellow Patriots in their time of need and we all stand together!!!... Please help .. www.gofundme.com/f/help-cervical-spinal-problems

    • @normiedeathsquad40
      @normiedeathsquad40 3 года назад +2

      Ah I see you've millitaried before

    • @montanabulldog9687
      @montanabulldog9687 3 года назад +4

      The M-14 was the "Last", of a Marines "Battle Rifles" . . . the M-16, WAS, an IS, an will "Aways Be" nothing but a PIECE OF JUNK ! ! ! . You can install all of the "Bells an Whisles" you like, but it WON'T change what it is !. A long time ago now, I saw a VC, get "Hit" at no more than 50 Ft, with "4" rounds of 5.56 right in the chest . . . he DID, go down, but got RIGHT BACK UP, shot what was left in his AK-47 ( About 10 or 11 rounds ) ran about 30 yds, before falling down dead. The POINT is, that he "Got back Up" . . . if it had still been an M-14 hit, he would have HIT THE GROUND . . . "Dead". Its why TODAY, 49 yrs later, I still have "2" of them.

    • @bb-6359
      @bb-6359 3 года назад +9

      @@montanabulldog9687 >claims 5.56 as a useless round
      Alright, sure, because going back to full power 7.62 full auto battle rifles makes sense... that would be a step backwards really.
      I'm not discrediting your combat experience, nor saying your opinion is invalid, as this has been a debate that's been going on since intermediate cartridges were a thing. But the consensus today is that intermediate cartridges have more utility and usability than full power ones in terms of being used in standard issue rifles. The pros outweigh the cons.
      Weight, controllability, and allowing automatic fire is really the key factor, even though extra stopping power would be nice. Like all things, its a measure of compromises, and then taking which solution makes the most sense with losing the least effectiveness. Combat since the earliest days has been a compromise of mobility vs protection, or more stopping power vs utility. Same thing with the case of intermediate vs full power cartridges as well.
      However, gun designers and engineers realized since WW2 that for assault rifles with controllable and functional full auto fire, you need a intermediate cartridge. The Germans, Russians, and the US all came to this conclusion independently of each other for all the same reasons, which further validates the need of changing to an intermediate cartridges, and that it is more advantageous.
      Again, recent developments in body armor and need for accuracy in long distance sustained engagements have surfaced the need for long range accurate fire, which is one of the reasons why the USMC adopted the M27 IAR. 5.56 arguably fits this role better. 5.56 is also better at penetrating body armor, another reason for its increased usefulness today.

    • @montanabulldog9687
      @montanabulldog9687 3 года назад +2

      @@bb-6359 If YOU, saw what I did . . . I DON'T think you would be defending that cartridge !.

  • @BigDictator5335
    @BigDictator5335 3 года назад +93

    All Marines have hearing issues (that's why they scream).
    These silencers will help a little.
    *knife hands* that's right, I said silencers.

  • @Oatmilk123
    @Oatmilk123 3 года назад +533

    Dude this is amazing content unparalleled to anything else. You're far ahead of the game! Keep the content coming!!

  • @eggboye352
    @eggboye352 3 года назад +71

    Damn this was really well done. When I was a squad leader I carried an IAR, and that was back in 2012-2014. Easily the best weapon I’ve ever laid my paws on.

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 3 года назад +11

      I was reading about its reception. Most of the time, when a military implements a new weapon, the soldiers complain. But I heard good things about the IAR reception, so that stood out to me. :D

    • @marcdavis4509
      @marcdavis4509 3 года назад +8

      @@shorewall I was a SAW gunner in the early 90’s I didn’t mind the weight of the weapon or ammo. But those shitty plastic ammo boxes were absolute shit. They were always falling off the weapon and noisy as hell. When I saw the soft nylon pouches later I was a bit salty. Definitely wishI would have had those

  • @PECOSO0
    @PECOSO0 3 года назад +38

    I am a Cold War Marine Vet. BUT I found the back end of your video awesome. I am fascinated with the Modern Marine inventory, Love it. Thank you for the great content. Keep it coming...Semper Fi

  • @jacksonwoodward8723
    @jacksonwoodward8723 3 года назад +60

    In the Marines rn with an Infantry company and I was expecting this to be not as accurate as it turned out to be, good job!

    • @marcustulliuscicero.5856
      @marcustulliuscicero.5856 2 года назад +2

      What weapon did you train with in boot camp? I was curious because I am going soon.

    • @elijahmascarenas9552
      @elijahmascarenas9552 2 года назад +3

      @@marcustulliuscicero.5856 when? im going to san diego aug 16

    • @robertwilson8184
      @robertwilson8184 Год назад +3

      @@marcustulliuscicero.5856 When I was at MCRD PI in 2017, we were still using M16A4s with TA31 RCOs.

  • @adrianmoreno7617
    @adrianmoreno7617 3 года назад +54

    This video is done so well, might as well be a security threat. (Currently serving as a U.S. Marine infantryman)

    • @olddog6658
      @olddog6658 2 года назад +7

      Just found this thread, all well wherever you are ? old JarHead 1961-66 3rd wave ashore at Chu Lai in 1965.

  • @BuRnNeTrO
    @BuRnNeTrO 3 года назад +15

    Im currently in the Norwegian military, and we use this format:
    1 Squad leader with HK416 with Elcan 1x and 4x zoom
    1 assistant squad leader with HK 416 and Elcan
    1 Sniper with HK417
    1 Sniper with HK416 with Elcan, and Barrett 50 cal
    2 Riflemen with HK 416 and 40mm Grenade launcher
    2 Riflemen with HK 416 and Javelin/Carl Gustaf depending on mission
    2 Riflemen with Minimi (A version of the SAW)

    • @BuRnNeTrO
      @BuRnNeTrO 3 года назад +2

      @Ben White We just call them Sharpshooters in norwegian. They can be used to do alot of things. Usually they operate seperate of the rest of the team, but they can also support the squad if the mission suits it.

    • @BuRnNeTrO
      @BuRnNeTrO 3 года назад +1

      @Ben White Our unit is called the Arctic Ranger Company and are experts in winter warfare. We operate in Northern Norway, usually on snowmobiles. Sharpshooters are really a good option for hitting targets at long ranges while staying undetected

  • @MrA3523
    @MrA3523 3 года назад +187

    Will you cover any mechanised NATO squads like Canadian mechanized rifle section?

    • @BattleOrder
      @BattleOrder  3 года назад +70

      I am interested in it, just need to get some more sources. Basically have to go directly to servicemembers because all their manuals are locked behind a defence intranet you can only access from actual military computers.

    • @ulysse1531
      @ulysse1531 3 года назад +36

      @@BattleOrder if needed, i can provide insight about the french motorized and mechanized infantry 👌🏻

    • @joeboom0697
      @joeboom0697 3 года назад +4

      @@BattleOrder it'd be amazing if you could do uk squads as well

    • @MaxwellAerialPhotography
      @MaxwellAerialPhotography 3 года назад +2

      Battle Order well that’s accountability and transparency in Canada for you.

    • @4freedomyearn80
      @4freedomyearn80 3 года назад

      likely alot like the americans except only the Canadians are on welfare! Poor Saps!

  • @BeanDar
    @BeanDar 3 года назад +48

    Don't forget that suppressors drop damage and accuracy by 10 points. ;)

  • @channelnamegoeshere4707
    @channelnamegoeshere4707 3 года назад +20

    14:33 bro you know things are real when somebody actually uses the forward assist

    • @Mike16339
      @Mike16339 2 года назад +2

      Making sure you're in battery after a brass check is the most reasonable use I've ever seen.

  • @samgraham2110
    @samgraham2110 3 года назад +33

    We also outfit our Marine Infantry squads with the M32 and M72A7. It's commander's discretion on how he wants to outfit his squads with these weapon systems.

    • @jeffburnham6611
      @jeffburnham6611 3 года назад +1

      @Sam I didn't think that rifle squads still used the M72 system. I thought they were all replaced by the AT-4 system. I remember the M72, prone to duds. Most Marines hated it.

    • @samgraham2110
      @samgraham2110 3 года назад +5

      @@jeffburnham6611 I think the reason we went back is because of the ease of use in the environment we found ourselves fighting in. A smaller tube (66mm) that can penetrate 12 inches of steel (AT4 can penetrate around 17 inches) was all we needed. I don't remember a lot of duds but I never been to combat with one either. What we need is a Battalion Gunner (0306 Infantry Weapons Officer) to comment on the matter. They are the Infantry tactic and weapon gods of the Infantry Battalion. I believe the Army still uses the AT4?

    • @chiken6559
      @chiken6559 2 года назад +1

      @@samgraham2110 plus M72 is much lighter and smaller than the AT4, so you can carry more of them

    • @LtActionCam
      @LtActionCam 4 месяца назад

      @@chiken65595lbs vs 12ish makes a difference!

  • @Delta1296pt2
    @Delta1296pt2 3 года назад +43

    So in my POG unit;
    The squad and fireteam leaders have M4s, everyone else gets M16A4
    We field the 240MMG and 50 cal as defensive options, tho we do take the 240 out sometimes.

    • @arronlockyer5424
      @arronlockyer5424 3 года назад

      Fellow Patriots we need your help...! I am retired USMC Mustang after 28 years! This is my son account. He was a VOLUNTEER FIREMAN, AND VOLUNTEER EMS. He was always there to help others in their time of need! Its simple can you skip an extra cup of coffee a few times this week to help someone that would help you?? We have all said we will help fellow Patriots in their time of need and we all stand together!!!... Please help .. www.gofundme.com/f/help-cervical-spinal-problems

    • @aarongood651
      @aarongood651 3 года назад

      Ya man that’s a POG unit for ya, all line units use m27’s, unless you got a 203

    • @korkunge
      @korkunge 3 года назад

      Arent you gong to miss he 200 round mag of the m249? to be able to suppress an attacking force? "cower fire"?

  • @soothingmeow22
    @soothingmeow22 3 года назад +45

    Screw those guys I'm taking my crow and going home. *Muttering under my breath "Marines getting cool quadcopter drones and variable power optics. Been telling command we should get variable powered optics vs the acog"

    • @DakotaofRaptors
      @DakotaofRaptors 3 года назад +1

      That's what I call a 180

    • @juliemunoz2762
      @juliemunoz2762 2 года назад

      Variable power scopes is getting too complicated for jarheads it’s just more buttons and swivels for them to break.

  • @marcjohnson4385
    @marcjohnson4385 2 года назад +12

    Served as an 0351 Marine over 50 years ago, this makes Me feel ancient.

  • @PaperSmiles
    @PaperSmiles 2 года назад +3

    As someone who spent some time in the British Army, American squads seem absolutely huge; British sections are two fireteams of 4, one led by the section commander, (IC), and one led by the 2IC. Interesting to see how other nations do stuff.

    • @user-oy8dl1er5h
      @user-oy8dl1er5h 2 года назад +4

      It's pretty similar to the US Army which has a 9 man squad. The United States Marine Corps has a different doctrine regarding small units which leads to a more numerous and heavily armed squad

    • @walangchahangyelingden8252
      @walangchahangyelingden8252 Год назад

      @@user-oy8dl1er5h Beat me to it. Yep, that's exactly the reason why.

  • @extrabytes7191
    @extrabytes7191 3 года назад +60

    This channel fits exactly in my niche.

  • @agecom6071
    @agecom6071 3 года назад +70

    Jesus christ, this is so good
    you thinking about doing one about the German Panzergrenadiers?

    • @BattleOrder
      @BattleOrder  3 года назад +15

      Tis a possibility

    • @arthas640
      @arthas640 3 года назад +12

      @@BattleOrder do it! German military analysis is rare beyond pop culture knowledge like "the germans were nothing but an army of Tigers and Panthers blitzkrieging across europe until they ran out of sauerkraut just outside of Stalingrad"

    • @proudfirebrand3946
      @proudfirebrand3946 3 года назад

      The Panzergrenadiers/Schutzen is the most under appreciated arm of the German Mechanized Divisions, would really love a video about them in detail.

    • @Soff1859
      @Soff1859 3 года назад

      Or the swiss ones ;)

    • @arthas640
      @arthas640 3 года назад +3

      @@Soff1859 the Swiss Armed Forces: nearly 200 years of proudly sitting on the side lines of history!

  • @patreilly4293
    @patreilly4293 Год назад +1

    I served 26 years in the Corps and it’s amazing to see the changes since I retired!

  • @deadpoolcomics
    @deadpoolcomics 3 года назад +47

    Fantastic video as always! Just a question, do you plan on making a video on the organization and tactics of modern air mobile/air assault units like the 101st airborne?

    • @BattleOrder
      @BattleOrder  3 года назад +6

      No plans right now but it's a possibility for the future!

  • @warshipsdd-2142
    @warshipsdd-2142 3 года назад +5

    Outstanding job, said by a Marine SGT who served 1963-67 and 77-82. Got it right with all the details.

  • @chrisrathbun4148
    @chrisrathbun4148 3 года назад +7

    In 1994 they started to faze out the M60E3's to M240G. My Platoon had 2 SAW's and a M240G. I was in an Engineer Battalion.

  • @michaellee5922
    @michaellee5922 3 года назад +6

    that medal of honor soundtrack in the background brings back memories

  • @rhett1029
    @rhett1029 3 года назад +11

    Let’s go we’ve all been waiting for this

  • @chris210racer
    @chris210racer 3 года назад +7

    Wow, you just saved me so much time for future mission making for Arma 3. Thanks so much.

  • @Its_shiki_time4876
    @Its_shiki_time4876 3 года назад +2

    Seriously I couldn't find the more perfect channel for my interests. Thanks for the great content good sir im looking forward to more!
    Also please don't burn yourself out

  • @wittwittwer1043
    @wittwittwer1043 27 дней назад +1

    When I was 1st squad leader in 3d platoon, G Co 2/2, in 1964, I was a CPL. Fire-team leaders were either PVTs, PFCs or LCPLs. Platoons were rarely at T.O., so they were rarely at a full strength of 42 men: 3 squads of 13 men plus grenadier, plus platoon sergeant, plus right guide, and usually a corpsman attached. Sometimes we had a M-60 machine gun or 3.5 rocket team attached.

  • @DJSkittles365
    @DJSkittles365 3 года назад +2

    Damn, this is so accurate. Very well in depth and informative. Well done.

  • @mauricebeyjr611
    @mauricebeyjr611 3 года назад +9

    Im in the US Army, and Im extremely jealous how the marines got a new main battle rifle, which is the M27

    • @Martin-117
      @Martin-117 2 года назад +2

      Well y'all have been giving us hand-me-downs for years I'm glad we're finally getting weapons and Gear that wasn't Army issued.

    • @mauricebeyjr611
      @mauricebeyjr611 2 года назад

      @@Martin-117 Fair enough bro

    • @TriatomicAI
      @TriatomicAI Год назад

      I’ll take your m4 any day

    • @Need_better_handle
      @Need_better_handle Год назад

      It’s higher priority to reorganize and prepare the marine infantry with the best gear right now given that the situation with china has the potential to kick off at any time.
      I do think that the 82nd airborne should definitely be the first Army unit to be overhauled with new rifles, drones, ect, and with those medium tanks that Army is going to use for light IBCT units.
      I could be wrong but I believe you can fit 2 of the smaller tanks on a c130 vs 1 for other tanks. Then you can have a light tank capability integrated into an airborne unit that can have a brigade anywhere in the world in 18 hours to fight alongside a marine expeditionary unit if the situation dictates. Could help ensure the military maintained that middle strength combat unit capability without having over redundancy of two branches with heavy tanks.

    • @mauricebeyjr611
      @mauricebeyjr611 Год назад

      @@Need_better_handle I totally agree with that statement

  • @piranhaplantX
    @piranhaplantX 3 года назад +5

    This is the first video on this topic that actually covered this subject in any sort of satisfactory way. Looking forward to digging in and finding more like it.
    The algorithm takes me many strange places. But it definitely hit the mark on this one.

  • @petermayonejr.3420
    @petermayonejr.3420 Год назад

    Excellent video! Covered a lot of ground and all the USMC changes over the years on variant squads and weapons!

  • @yngtadpole
    @yngtadpole 18 дней назад

    I've been following the Marines development of squads and change in equipment since I got out in 2009 and your video was well researched and flowed very nicely with just enough info for a general overview without getting too specific or far off into the weeds.

  • @tacitusthehistories5417
    @tacitusthehistories5417 3 года назад +3

    That was the best 15 minutes that I have ever spent on RUclips! Semper Fidelis Warriors! 1970-1998, 2003-2004 "No better friend, No worst enemy."

  • @forcesightknight
    @forcesightknight 3 года назад +16

    As a Marine myself, I will say this, great job! Our enemies will certainly be taking notes.

    • @billysoh1745
      @billysoh1745 Год назад

      FYI, you guys are the actual evil and terror to the world. US is the bad guys. Not the Arabians, Russian or the Asians. You dudes are deluded by your own government

    • @deemwinch
      @deemwinch Год назад

      I'm afraid they're to stupid... Sometimes

    • @arceusrefachero5096
      @arceusrefachero5096 5 месяцев назад +1

      I am the son of an official from the Ministry of National Security of Costa Rica, I will only say that I knew about this channel because he told me that they are using channels whatever they are to seek to modernize our forces.

  • @notaddmk18fsp_37
    @notaddmk18fsp_37 3 года назад +1

    Greatly appreciate an accurate description and look at the use of suppressors in the modern squad.

  • @davidkiser6083
    @davidkiser6083 2 года назад

    Thank You, I enjoyed this very much. I myself was once a M-79 man, usually called a Blooper or Blooker man. I also carried an 1911 ‘45’ on my right hip. I served in Vietnam 1968/69 with Hotel Company, 2nd platoon, 2 Bravo squad, 2nd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division. We always had a radio operator who carried the Prick 25

  • @skowog
    @skowog 3 года назад +2

    Excellent content, great info, amazing photos. If I could make one suggestion, try to tame the upspeak, where you sound like you're asking a question at the end of a sentence pretty frequently. Keep up the good work.

  • @idk1848
    @idk1848 3 года назад +1

    Insane uploading dude

  • @noahroshan8668
    @noahroshan8668 3 года назад

    Yes been waiting for this video

  • @obiwankenobi4252
    @obiwankenobi4252 3 года назад +4

    Really great video, I hope you'll do similar ones for other squads of other countries (German Panzergrenadiere, Italian Bersaglieri, etc.)

  • @moth_person5599
    @moth_person5599 3 года назад +1

    Yeah the part about the 240s replacing the SAW in Afghanistan is dead on. The research and production on this video is excellent. Subbed for more of your excellent content.

  • @f1r3hunt3rz5
    @f1r3hunt3rz5 3 года назад

    Too good. Instant subscribe.

  • @reesbox1112
    @reesbox1112 3 года назад

    These are great! Keep up the good work!

  • @Jarod-sm5rf
    @Jarod-sm5rf 3 года назад +1

    This is the kind of serial I love especially layering abut militaries, love from Canada 🇨🇦

  • @brianfoley4328
    @brianfoley4328 2 года назад

    Great presentation...just the best.

  • @nicholascherry5962
    @nicholascherry5962 2 года назад +3

    Very well put together. Glad I got to learn something new. Huge respect for armed forces

  • @demarcusfaulkner7411
    @demarcusfaulkner7411 3 года назад

    Well researched and complete. Very intelligent video.

  • @wadeperry8439
    @wadeperry8439 2 года назад

    Great video

  • @matthewprior3762
    @matthewprior3762 3 года назад +1

    Fantastic! You just earned a subscriber 😎

  • @jayluksha6809
    @jayluksha6809 3 года назад

    Just found your channel. Excellent content. I just subscribed. Keep them coming brother.

  • @GMP-Official
    @GMP-Official 2 года назад

    magnificent video!

  • @deez420nuts69
    @deez420nuts69 3 года назад +4

    That Medal of Honor European Assault theme tho.. I grew up on that game.

  • @dopplerhit8374
    @dopplerhit8374 3 года назад

    Yesssss found another active military channel

  • @spearhead2182
    @spearhead2182 Год назад

    Excellent breakdown 👌
    OOORAH!

  • @pyeitme508
    @pyeitme508 3 года назад +4

    Amazing! Need more! Plus misspelled thumbnail, LOL!

    • @leosong6702
      @leosong6702 3 года назад

      What was spelled wrong?

    • @pyeitme508
      @pyeitme508 3 года назад +1

      @@leosong6702 from discord

  • @officiallytastic8631
    @officiallytastic8631 3 года назад +8

    Only infantry Marines, staff and officers rate M4s and infantry 0311 rate the new IR rifle while other infantry MOSs rate M4, while POGS usually have M16A4 depending on the unit.

  • @southoc1355
    @southoc1355 2 года назад

    Great video , very accurate!!

  • @arthurfernandes3824
    @arthurfernandes3824 3 года назад

    good video and research. Very professional channel

  • @Excalibur01
    @Excalibur01 2 года назад +1

    10:55 First time I've seen an EOTech mounted on an M16A2

  • @DensApri
    @DensApri 3 года назад

    Awesome videos

  • @BrownWilliamson
    @BrownWilliamson 2 года назад

    OUTSTANDING!!!!! Adjust Yourself and Carry On!!!!!!!

  • @JacatackLP
    @JacatackLP 3 года назад

    Amazing video!

  • @pollodesvealdo
    @pollodesvealdo 2 года назад +2

    Bravo Sir 👏 video is outstanding! Coming from a retired Gunny!

  • @Tommy1977777
    @Tommy1977777 2 года назад

    Well done.

  • @FirstDagger
    @FirstDagger 2 года назад

    9:55 Big props to you for pronouncing Heckler & Koch correctly this time.

  • @manhalen7046
    @manhalen7046 Год назад +1

    Very interesting, I was with the 101st in 1998 when all of 18th Airborne Corps (101st, 82nd, 10th Mountain) went to the M4's and 249's, before that we had guys with the old 203 setups and M60's. Losing those M60's was tough though. gdamn that was nice firepower.
    Then we all went on deployment and learned, as was stated in the video, accuracy is better than high volume of fire.
    I was also in an army unit in Okinawa and trained every once in awhile with the Marines up at the NTA on Hansen and i was waiting for some of those guys to pull out M16a1's or M14's lol.
    My son is a Marine now though and the Corps deff does a great job of teaching good skills to young Marines.

  • @Nuseeker
    @Nuseeker 3 года назад

    Well Done!

  • @nighthawk8193
    @nighthawk8193 3 года назад +1

    Very nice.

    • @arronlockyer5424
      @arronlockyer5424 3 года назад +1

      Fellow Patriots we need your help! I am retired USMC Mustang after 28 years!!! This is my son account. He was a VOLUNTEER FIREMAN, AND VOLUNTEER EMS. He was always there to help others in their time of need! Its simple can you skip an extra cup of coffee a few times this week to help someone that would help you?? We have all said we will help fellow Patriots in their time of need and we all stand together!!!... Please help .. www.gofundme.com/f/help-cervical-spinal-problems

  • @dantheman2237
    @dantheman2237 3 года назад

    Wow, good job. Someone did their homework. Honestly impressed

  • @dinnerk-ration5221
    @dinnerk-ration5221 3 года назад +2

    Sick bruh

  •  3 года назад

    This is a very informative video, I learned a lot!
    It's also fascinating that they want everyone to have a suppressor.

  • @smithnwesson990
    @smithnwesson990 3 года назад +2

    Marines need to find a real belt fed for Squad gunners. 30 round mags simply don't let you lay down constant fire.

    • @orion8981
      @orion8981 3 года назад

      Or a bigger magazine, which would be less of a logistical issue.

  • @lucion511
    @lucion511 3 года назад

    Well done. Respect given from former 0311.

  • @coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13
    @coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13 3 года назад +1

    Love seeing the Corps always evolving.

  • @GIJoeProductions
    @GIJoeProductions 3 года назад +2

    Awesome work! Can you do the Rhodesian Light Infantry?

  • @Gladiator0719
    @Gladiator0719 3 года назад +1

    I was an 0331, 90-94, B-1/7 & F-2/7 Wpns Plt, Gulf War-I and Somalia. We always had one M60E3 Machinegun team and an 0351 SMAW team with each of our three 0311 rifle Plts. Our 0341 60mm mortar teams would stay behind with the Company's H & S section and the Wpns Plt Leader and Plt Sgt to provide fire support for the reinforced rifle plts.

  • @Inmate2587
    @Inmate2587 3 года назад

    I just got out in 2019 and you are spot on with everything. I'm not sure about the suppressors but to be honest, they did test it out with a battalion so I'm pretty sure that will be a thing in the near future.

  • @danmorgan3685
    @danmorgan3685 3 года назад +29

    I had a feeling the Marines were going to adopt the HK416 as their standard rifle. Trying to use a select fire assault rifle as a permenent replacement for the SAW didn't make much sense to me. The Brits did the same thing but they relied on their existing select fire assault rifles.

    • @DOSFS
      @DOSFS 3 года назад +8

      They still keep M249s in marine arsenal, if it went horrible and backlash came they can quickly change it back.

    • @kingofthespazs
      @kingofthespazs 3 года назад +7

      This change seems more geared towards fighting terrorists rather than an actual military. It gives them a lot of accurate fire and mobility but costs them firepower.

    • @orion8981
      @orion8981 3 года назад +7

      It's actually better for light infantry who have to carry things. Belt fed weapons are hungry.
      I doubt we'll be seeing the SAW again. More 240s, maybe.

    • @orion8981
      @orion8981 3 года назад

      @@DOSFS They only keep them because they have them. They'll be phased out over time as they break.

    • @joeyakathug5215
      @joeyakathug5215 3 года назад +11

      Marines are trying out the "Accurate suppressive fire to suppress the enemy" tactic instead of "Spray suppressive fire to suppress the enemy". Kinda makes sense considering "Every Marine is a rifleman"

  • @Deeznutzo_
    @Deeznutzo_ 3 года назад

    All this new gear just in time for my enlistment. Let’s gooooo

  • @MisteriosGloriosos922
    @MisteriosGloriosos922 2 года назад

    Nice!!

  • @solowingborders3239
    @solowingborders3239 3 года назад

    Awesome video mate! Would it be possible to cover Commonwealth sections (our version of squads)?

  • @tdnavy1066
    @tdnavy1066 2 года назад +1

    You should do a video on the USMC Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalions, or LAR Battalions.

  • @sohrabroozbahani4700
    @sohrabroozbahani4700 3 года назад +7

    wars change experience, experience changes doctrine, doctrine changes equipment, equipment changes roles, roles change organization... interesting...

    • @scothayes9220
      @scothayes9220 3 года назад +1

      Exactly the way I see. With the advance of technology and the way the Corp. and sister branches procure new tech. You can bet the current OOB will change again in the next few years.

    • @skyhappy
      @skyhappy 3 года назад

      more like all of those affect each other

  • @kinshayawarrior8870
    @kinshayawarrior8870 3 года назад +2

    We never had a TO squad/plt when I was in (87-93). We were always short on manpower. Everyone had the billet but not the rank. At one point I was the plt Cmdr when I was a Cpl. On paper we were supposed to have one doc per squad but were lucky to have one per plt. We got to one point where most squad and team leaders had training for calling in air/arty/mortar support.

  • @michael7324
    @michael7324 2 года назад +1

    We now have a drone operator at the squad level. Tech baby...

  • @terryfreeman1018
    @terryfreeman1018 Год назад

    Brought back some remembrance

  • @drvgxn4719
    @drvgxn4719 2 года назад

    Thank you, I plan on joining in 2024 out of highschool. I hope to be a specialist or support gunner.

  • @usaintltrade
    @usaintltrade 2 года назад +1

    SENDING LOVE HONOR & RESPECT GOD BLESS AMERICA

  • @haydenmetheny8119
    @haydenmetheny8119 2 года назад

    I think I legit saw one of your videos being used in a classroom in bootcamp

  • @GuamGuy
    @GuamGuy 3 года назад

    It would be really interesting to see field trial type competitions of Marines with fully kitted out M27/M38s vs. Urgi M4A1s

  • @davidrendall7195
    @davidrendall7195 Год назад +1

    Interesting stuff, but you completely missed the Radio element of the squad and its development. Probably the single most dangerous piece of equipment we had.

  • @seanwhite304
    @seanwhite304 3 года назад +3

    The USMC is doing good things man . KAC NT4 Cans and VCOG 1-8× With M27 is a very lethal combo . Having the OAL be over 20" is a bit much but with training they can be just as fast for CQC. I know there is practically 0 difference for me when I'm using MK18 vs M4A1 doing CQB Drills . Only difference I notice is the weight .
    SOCOM went with more LW Rigs whereas USMC went with HBARs.
    I still think the Colt IAR was the better option but oh well they got killer deals on the M27s so it worked out in the end . I was glad to see USMC going with Cans . I still don't know why they chose NT4. The NT4 are super nice but the OSS is superior and was cheaper. I haven't found any articles on why they chose the NT4 but I'm def interested in reading one .
    Nice Vid Bro

    • @orion8981
      @orion8981 3 года назад

      The NT4 is a better performer for automatic schedules of fire and can be attached to standard flash hiders.
      The Marine Corps also buys KAC everything. I'm surprised they didn't just go with SR-16s.

  • @thewatcher4552
    @thewatcher4552 3 года назад

    Great video. I WAS THERE 03' 04 OIF Semper Fi to all my bro's

  • @Sledgeace
    @Sledgeace 3 года назад

    I would love a British section video amazing content