Im not taking credit for this but repeating because I loved it. Ronald McDonald promotes the Big Mac because selling the Big Mac makes money for McDonalds. The SEC makes money for ESPN and Herbstreit is simply the Ronald McDonald of ESPN. Wins and record don’t matter. Cmon man.
I'm assuming you're choosing to ignore the holes in your logic or you didn't think things through. For starters, the ACC is in the same position the SEC is in regarding ESPN. They are actually in a position to make more profit from the ACC because their payout is undervalued. Are you choosing to ignore the business, math, and logic side of things. Your logic falls apart when you take the B1G into consideration. ESPN has no contracts with the B1G whatsoever. Let me ask you something... did you stop looking into it once you heard something you liked? Or do you not care enough to look into for yourself? Because you are either a casual (who doesn't know much about college football) or you're wilfully ignorant. (I'm not picking on you, I just don't have the time & energy to message everyone with your line of thinking)
@@tremoore9831 ESPN gets to host the Oregon vs Ohio State rematch, not FOX. And it will be one of those most profitable games for them all year. They absolutely have a contract with the B1G.
@@deities1 is that the only rebuttal you have? ESPN paid for the playoff rights. They are the world wide leader. Ohio St vs Oregon drew 9.6M views the first to round. ESPN/ABC had 5 games with higher ratings. You're gotta be speaking out of emotions, otherwise where's the facts? ESPN profits of the best match ups in college football with the playoffs. That's not a conference thing. You're picking and choosing what you want to defend. Maybe you can articulate his point better.
@ That would be objectively stupid. Please point out where I said that. I said, "The ACC is in the same position as the SEC in regards to ESPN." As in, ESPN owns both conference networks and have a vested interest in both. You, however, pick and choose what you want to address. Steer away from the other points. You started off claiming that "it will be the most profitable game for them all year," You've changed your tone about that. I'm guessing you didn't know about the TV ratings. You claim ESPN "GETS" to host the OSU vs Oregon game, as if it was handed to them and they didn't spend billions. Don't get mad because ESPN cares more about the post-season than FOX, CBS, NBC... They could have bid on it, but chose not to. Now you switch up to claim something that i never said. While you review the TV rating numbers, also check to see why a business wouldn't treat the SEC & ACC equally. These are for-profit companies. If you don't like the outcome bitch to the ACC population for not supporting their programs. This reminds me about the Bill Burr segment about men having to care about women's sports. It's on the ACC to care about the ACC. The same goes for everyone else.
They want an SEC/Big 10 invitational. Just say it but realize when you split off, its totally you. Olympic sports, Basketball, baseball you have to play yourselves. The rest of college sports moves on wo you. Have your own championship for everything. No more NCAA tourny, no more baseball in Omaha. You have your own league.
If SMU's QB doesn't totally implode SMU measured up nicely with Penn st. I know he's part of the team but their team did not dominate SMU it was one player playing a really poor game.
@ I’m sure if you did the research you would find plenty. Additionally it would have to expand to those who got in the playoffs when they played in weaker divisions. Regardless the NFL allows the games to be played and that is the point.
The real issue is that ESPN does not understand playoff football. They ill comprehend home field advantage for home teams. How the fans travel means little when a team is not familiar with another team that is playoff caliber. So it does not matter how big a brand you are. If you only have two weeks and not an entire summer to break down how you want to attack a team or an entire month for one ball game on a neutral site. Then this is what you’re going to get.
All Herbstreet and the Sec talking heads care about are more power for their teams. They ll never stop complaining. They don't want other teams coming up and challenging them. Nil has leveled the field and the big brands are concerned they ll be knocked down. I don't want them to change the conference champs getting the byes either. The Sec and Big 10 want 2 of their teams getting byes each year is all that is. The blind side call was terrible imo.
Blind side block call in Clemson Texas game was indeed a horrible call that impacted the outcome to a measurable degree. Made before all this nonsense came out of Herbie’s mouth. He lost all credibility.
Do you think there are any other metrics they use? Or do you stop at the lowest hanging fruit? I hear most saying is because ESPN is in bed with the SEC. That logic falls apart with Ohio State. And ESPN is also in bed with the ACC.
I don't know much. But they sure did get Oregon and OSU to meetnin the quarters. If this would have been Bama and the Dogs. They would be in the opposite brackets.
The best way to fix the playoff dilemma going forward: Go from a 12 team format to a 16 team format. *This eliminates byes. *The power 4 conferences get 2 autobids each. The conference champ and the runner up. *The 3rd and 4th seeds of the power 4 conferences have play in games. Example is BIG10 3rd seed plays BIG12 4th seed and the BIG10 4th seed plays the BIG12 3rd seed/ SEC 3rd seed plays the ACC 4th seed and ACC 3rd seed plays SEC 4th seed. *Games are played on a neutral field on championship Saturday. *The remaining 4 bids are given as at large bids determined by ranking. *This guarantees all power 4 conferences will get 2 bids but can earn up to 4 bids if you win play in games against rival conferences. *The CFP round of 16 games are hosted on campuses of seeds 1-8 *The CFP round of 8 hosted at bowl sites *The CFP Semis are hosted at bowl sites *The Championship game is hosted at a bowl site.
no auto bids!!! no conference championship games!!! top 16 teams period!!!!! weak conference champs shouldn't get a chance to be in the playoffs only because they are from a different conference. just choose the best teams period regardless of conference.
@@BackyardAquatics-o2m Absolutely you give conferences autobids, how else do you know who's better? Should we just award bids by the 247sports recruit rankings?
Wins and losses are an objective fact. You either win or you lose. You can quantify it, and you can't dispute the result. Same with margin or victory (or loss). It's a number and can be quantified as a hard statistic. Same with total offense, points allowed, etc.. It's simple math. But SOS is totally subjective and open to interpretation. Saying a team didn't play any Top 25 teams doesn't mean anything when the Top 25 is based on subjectivity and changes constantly throughout the season. At one point, Nebraska was #22. At the time Indiana played them, they had dropped out of the Top 25. But they are still the same team. They didn't change demonstrably as the season progressed. A team that played Nebraska in week got credit for playing a Top 25 team, but all teams that played them after week 5 don't? Same with Michigan. They started the season in the Top 10, and stayed in the Top 25 through week 7. Texas beat them in week 3 and gets credit for a Top 10 victory. Indiana played them later in the season, but "never played anyone".
Im a Buckeye and loved these first round games honestly. It’s year one. Parody is awesome for football. What they are setting us up for? 16 teams. Let’s say it was a 16 team format. The 12 stay the same. That leaves 4 teams left. Alabama would get in along with Ole Miss and S Carolina. 3 outa 4 would be more SEC that’s all they want. And probably the last remaining spot goes to Texas AnM. That gives the SEC 7 damn teams. BS. Don’t lose 3 games throughout the season to sorry teams like Vanderbilt and Kentucky with 2 more losses on top of that, and say how great you are.
I agree, obviously Herbie is just making BS arguments for ESPN/SEC. Realistically if you follow his arguments Texas Penn state Notre Dame Indiana SMU Should not have been in the playoff. And because bama lost 3 games, 2 of them to bad teams , Mississippi lost 3 games, one being to a bad team, you can't legitimately make an argument for them. Also funny how the SEC mouthpieces Aren't saying Tennessee shouldn't have been in and they honestly got beat the worst Ohio state just took it easy on them
Problem with playing all playoff games at NEUTRAL SITES is the atmosphere sucks. Some of the conference championship games at neutral sites are half full & it'll be the same if you ask fans to travel for multiple games at neutral sites if a team advances in playoffs.
All the talking heads like Herbie are paid to be reactive and whatever angle they choose is really just meant to stir up argument. Saying sweeping stuff after a wide margin final score is of course rife with hypocrisy risk. It’s one game. For example, Penn State was the beneficiary of four bad plays by Jennings, including missfiring a wide open TE at the goal line on fourth down. Should have been 7-0 SMU right there, or at least a first down if he continued running. That whole first drive was otherwise excellent; SMU had great momentum and Jennings handed it over to PSU. Then later Jennings throws two pick sixes, plus an interception deep in PSU territory. The ‘Stangs were already in scoring position and he gave it away again. That’s four plays by Jennings that resulted, arguably, in a 24 or 28 point swing combined, basically the final margin of this game. Take out those four avoidable snafus by Jennings, and it’s a close game. Jennings handed this game to PSU on a silver platter. I would not generalize from this game, in front of 100,000 Nittany Lions fans in a freezing environment, to say that SMU is far inferior to PSU. Nor would I say Jennings is not a good player. He is. He just had a nightmare of a game. He’s likely going to come back next year with a vengeance.
You people keep thinking this is a real national championship. It’s an invitational designed to fleece the fans of the largest fan bases with the deepest pockets. That’s all. If you shuffle the teams a little, much different result. SMU beats ND or Texas. Texas needed help from the officials to beat Clemson. Dabo would have done better coaching against Penn State. Clemson beats ND. Indiana’s only there to have someone ND can absolutely beat. No one was going to beat Ohio State. Biggest winner: The Rose Bowl. Ohio State Oregon will have a greater attendance, higher ticket price, larger television audience than the ‘national championship' game. Committee’s mission accomplished.
An auto-bid is reward enough. Winning the Mountain West or BIG-12 should not get you a bye. ... this is how we end up with BS like Oregon and Ohio State meeting in round 2.
Herbstreit is a buffoon and an sec shill. He says don't get caught up in wins, but then he is more than willing to ignore bad losses like bama's losses to vandy and ou, where they only scored THREE points. 😂
The Sec is losing power. They are in panic mode because they realize Bama isn't going to be dominating anytime soon. They are losing players to Nil and if they don't get their way now, each year that goes by they ll be looked at differently. Agree Kenton, conference winners over runner up Sec or Big 10 teams.
The SEC is losing power? In what exactly? What metric are they losing power in? Pick ANY available one. And don't get quiet because you can't answer the question. The SEC has been the #1 recruiting conference since 2002. Has that changed? The recruiting ta p ranking for the 2025 recruiting class is lopsided. The SEC should be scared. Blue Chip Ratio... 16 of them this year. Half (8) are in the SEC. On3 has 19 on their BCR list, and 10 of those 19 are in the SEC. How about viewership? We losing power there, too? It would be a lot easier if you were more specific, unless you can't be.
half of the playoff games before this year were not competitive, if you want that to stop 2 team paly off is your answer. with 12 teams you still are going to have only 2-3 champion ship quality team.
After a playoff or two of neutral field games in the first round, then we can talk. No more home games for the favorite teams, especially icebox climate teams hosting a tropical climate team that can't feel their fingers. It makes the games not interesting. Road games are extremely hard in college football, especially in the dead of winter. All playoff games should be on neutral fields.
There were 3 blowouts. Clemson didn't get blown out. That game was in doubt with 5 or 6 minutes left. The 15-20 team super conferences are the cause of most of these problems. Having that many teams in a conference causes major scheduling imbalances. That's how we end up with teams in major conferences who "didn't play anyone." Conferences shouldn't be so big that teams can't play a full round robin schedule. We need to go back to regional conferences of reasonable size.
If my Tigers had a run defense it would of been a different game. But if's need to turn into fixes--- looking at you Nick Eason and Wes Goodwin. Need better tackling too and fix the run game ( yes I know Phil was hurt but even still we had major issues). How many times this year did we need one yard and couldn't get it. But I love my Tigers. We will be back ( and hopefully back to having a dominate defense). Did better with the offense this year while our defense took a slide.
CFB is broken and driven purely by money destroying the history and the sport as a whole. They need to realign everything. Max conference size should be 10 teams, playoffs should be conference champions only. Wins matter regardless. And as far as tv money, it should be split evenly across the sport. That way it helps everyone, not just the blue bloods and the chosen handful of teams. This drives the game forward, improves quality and makes it a better viewing experience. If they don’t change it you’ll end up getting 7 win teams into the playoff due to “who they beat”. And that’s ridiculous.
kirk is right. wins don't matter when you play weak teams. only quality wins matter! play a tougher schedule then you have an argument. until then you have nothing to stand on.
Herbie is a silly overpaid does nothing worth anything for anyone talking head who cares about getting more and more money. He likes it, and doesn’t care about the game. He cares about getting higher and higher in that elite class of money. That’s his game.
So hold on, since when is losing by 14 pts considered a blowout? In case you missed it, I'm talking about Indiana. Blowouts in FCS and NFL Playoffs all the time. The committee got it right, leave it alone smh. It fans like you and pundits like you, that are going to be the death of college football. Yall wont an SEC/BIG TEN invitational minus Indiana because they're not really part of the BIG Ten right? Its not about the best teams, its about most deserving. Choosing the best teams is totally subjective. Just know that, if people like you get what you want, college football will die. Because people like me will not watch it, be careful what you wish for. Look at the NBA, NFL, etc. Sports as a whole is dying.
@ College football is a joke. Yes I am a Gamecock fan and USC alumni still think it’s a joke. Might as well go full NFL conference division model. No more D1 teams playing D2 JV teams that should be a crime. Leaving it up to conferences to set schedules is dumb. There needs to be a commissioner type person in charge. CBA with contracts for NIL, no contracts leads to portal jumping. Stop the student athlete farce basically NCAAF is just a booster club. Treat it as such. Players want college education fine they pay for it, they should be treated as employees anyway. College football and basketball contributes nothing, nata, zip to the academics of a University or College. NFL and NBA/WNBA have been getting a minor league system for free that should change. I still cheer for my Gamecocks esp. the Lady Gamecocks but my eyes are wide open.
Well since total wins alone without regard to who you played or beat it all that matters I guess that means the 10 win MAC champion Ohio Bobcats is better than 9 win Clemson if we apply your logic fairly. Nevermind they didn't beat anyone p4 and got blown out 42-6 by 4 win Kentucky back in the regular season. But on to more serious note than debating number of wins alone I'm against shitting on SMU because they played a p4 non conference game against BYU so they did their part to make their schedule better than what the conference schedule was. Indiana played 0 p4 non conference games. They did absolutely nothing to counter the Charmin soft conference schedule they were handed. I think it's fair to criticize them. It's not like there's not any p4 teams that aren't in their conference nearby. Notre Dame is in state. Louisville, Kentucky, and Cincinnati are all in neighboring states and Kentucky is even a rivalry game. Arkansas, Mizzou, Tennessee, Vandy, Pitt, and West Virginia are all within about 300ish miles from Indiana if they wanted something in reasonably close but not the literal neighbors. Without divisions the SEC isn't as consistent of a schedule as it was with it. The games Tennessee would have had different if Texas and Oklahoma wasn't added to the conference was they would have played Mizzou and South Carolina who was both rather good this year instead of Mississippi State who is the worst team in the conference and Oklahoma who isn't as good as Mizzou or South Carolina. As bad as Tennessee lost to OSU they are probably dropping at least one of those games and going 9-3 if they are playing a 2023 on back schedule
The Acc, Big 12, and G5 fans should not support the college football invitational once all the other conferences aren't in it anymore. Since Espn and its pundits talk about ratings, let's see those ratings when the rest of college football fans tune out. If they want a Big 10/SEC tournament, they have it without our support. The Acc , Big 12, G5 should do what the old AFL did when the NFL wouldn't allow them in. Form your own national championship.
The ‘big brands’ cannot be given a free pass to the CFP. Performance in the CFP is not an indication of who ‘belongs’. It takes big game experience for a program to get to a champion’s level. Remember ‘Clemsoning’…. Up and coming programs need time and opportunities.
When did Clemsoning stop? What metric did they start hitting when they started competing for championships? Once you learn this, you'll get a better view of how/why things are the way that they are. If you don't know, then you're highlighting your own ignorance.
@ not entirely sure I follow your point. I’m just saying that if the CFP caters to brands, great stories like Clemson’s championships are much much less likely to happen again. It takes time and opportunities. Clemson has to do it in a different format. This new format could wipe out stories like that if it caters to brands. I love that there are new faces like Indiana and SMU that are getting a chance.
@ My point is, casual college football fans give uninformed takes about how things are. You claim the CFP is or wants to be about "big brands". How did that help Florida State? Unless you don't think they're a big brand. That alone will contradict your "big brand" logic. The fact that you don't know when or why Clemson started competing for championships speaks volumes. I figured as much. Personally, I didn't mind who was in the playoffs. I wasn't on board of the playoff expanding anyway. At this point, if you can't make the top 10 then I don't care what excuses a team has.
@@tremoore9831 again. Not sure I follow. My ‘take’ is an opinion that was based on a simple word that I think you keep missing… “if”. I’m not commenting on how things are, just on how I don’t want things to be, with my opinion on why that is. But clearly you think your opinion should matter and that the CFP committee should have consulted you on expansion. Any metrics on that, or just your opinion? Maybe hold yourself to your own standard.
@ "if" is nowhere on your original comment, and you've already edited it. The one time you use the word "if" is in reference to Clemson competing for the championship storyline. And I called that out as being wrong. That's a factual thing, It's measured by the BCR. I understand why you felt the need to flip it. I called you out for not knowing about Clemson's turnaround. It's OK not knowing, but that ignorance is causing you to have a wrong view of things. I said i didn't care about who got it if you weren't able to make the top 10. Somehow, that translates to the committee needed to consult with me? Me saying I wasn't on board with the playoffs expanding means I think that only a few teams have a legit shot at winning the title. The rest can be filled in by whomever.
Herbstriet is wrong and is just carrying the message that ESPN wants put forth. Wins during the season have to matter, if not then why play the season. Just take the top 12 preseason teams which will likely be 5 SEC Teams, 4 B1G teams and 2 Big 12 teams and 1 ACC team and just play it out. Here are my two cents on how to fix the CFP. First, all P4 schools must schedule other P4 schools for their out of conference scheduling. Next, official rankings should not come out until after the 3rd or 4th game of the season. My rationale is that many schools, especially SEC schools play a very weak out of conference schedule, then rely on the opinion that the SEC is so tough. This opinion, highlighted by a subjective preseason ranking that always heavily ranks SEC teams in the top 15, then rewards them for losing to a conference opponent by not dropping them far in the polls as they would a school from another conference, allows for the argument that Alabama should be in the playoffs over SMU and Indiana. Never mind who Bama lost to. Next, conference champs get an automatic bid and no changes to the top 4 seeding. Expand to 16 teams, then take the remaining top 11 teams after the five automatic bids. Lastly, Notre Dame must join a conference. No more of this conference adjacent stuff.
You know that the narrative will change from year to year. We can't Forcast the future. Next year it might work perfectly might not might not be nothing close to this year. Leave it alone and give it some time.
I say we draw the line at the power 4 conferences. And each conference has equal stake in the playoffs (top 3 spots in each conference gets a playoff spot). Simple. Things will eventually balance itself out now with NIL. I just want each team to have equal opportunity. The argument can be do we draw the line at the power 4 or create a league for the SEC/BIG10 only. I say keep the 4 conferences. There's enough talent to go around to make things exciting and that means more games and more markets and more revenue. am I wrong
People need to get that autobid logic out of here. I agree at the VERY least, there needs to be a G5 split. But the power conferences aren't equal either. What would eliminate most of the confusion is having a universally agreed upon Strength Of Schedule (SOS) format. Right now, everyone calculates it differently. ESPN uses the FPI (Football Power Index), the Sagarin Ratings uses a universal formula designed to eliminate bias, every rating system put higher emphasis on different things. Most SOS are calculated by the winning percentage of the opponents you face. For example, College Football Network has Michigan as their #1 SOS. Michigan played a 7-5 Arkansas State, however, if they played a 6-6 Arkansas their SOS would have taken a hit. Now, which one of those teams should warrant a higher/tougher SOS? Michigan & Central Michigan shouldn't be a 1:1 comparison. The talent level of the team you face should matter. The Sagarin Rating had Oregon higher in the ranking than Washington in their final ranking last year. Why? Because Oregon had a larger margin of victory in their major bowl game against Liberty, than Washington had against Texas in their major bowl game. Then Washington went on to play another game, but because of how they measure SOS the head to head these two had twice didn't end up mattering. Meanwhile, Texas had 11 players drafted in the NFL last year, guess what Liberty had?
Herbstriet is wrong, wins and losses should matter. Losses that should matter: 1. ACC going 0-2 and not being competitive in the playoff 2. ACC champion going 0-3 against the SEC and only being competitive in 1 of those 3 games 3. SMU not being able to win the ACC championship game and still getting a playoff game only to get dominated by the 3rd best Big 10 team Wins and losses matter. Yall ignore all of this bc youre just as biased as Herbstriet just for a different conference.
Im not taking credit for this but repeating because I loved it. Ronald McDonald promotes the Big Mac because selling the Big Mac makes money for McDonalds. The SEC makes money for ESPN and Herbstreit is simply the Ronald McDonald of ESPN. Wins and record don’t matter. Cmon man.
I'm assuming you're choosing to ignore the holes in your logic or you didn't think things through. For starters, the ACC is in the same position the SEC is in regarding ESPN. They are actually in a position to make more profit from the ACC because their payout is undervalued. Are you choosing to ignore the business, math, and logic side of things.
Your logic falls apart when you take the B1G into consideration. ESPN has no contracts with the B1G whatsoever.
Let me ask you something... did you stop looking into it once you heard something you liked? Or do you not care enough to look into for yourself? Because you are either a casual (who doesn't know much about college football) or you're wilfully ignorant. (I'm not picking on you, I just don't have the time & energy to message everyone with your line of thinking)
@@tremoore9831 ESPN gets to host the Oregon vs Ohio State rematch, not FOX. And it will be one of those most profitable games for them all year. They absolutely have a contract with the B1G.
@@deities1 is that the only rebuttal you have? ESPN paid for the playoff rights. They are the world wide leader.
Ohio St vs Oregon drew 9.6M views the first to round. ESPN/ABC had 5 games with higher ratings. You're gotta be speaking out of emotions, otherwise where's the facts?
ESPN profits of the best match ups in college football with the playoffs. That's not a conference thing. You're picking and choosing what you want to defend. Maybe you can articulate his point better.
@@tremoore9831 My rebuttal was better than pretending ESPN treats the SEC and ACC equally, which is objectively stupid.
@ That would be objectively stupid. Please point out where I said that. I said, "The ACC is in the same position as the SEC in regards to ESPN." As in, ESPN owns both conference networks and have a vested interest in both.
You, however, pick and choose what you want to address. Steer away from the other points. You started off claiming that "it will be the most profitable game for them all year," You've changed your tone about that. I'm guessing you didn't know about the TV ratings. You claim ESPN "GETS" to host the OSU vs Oregon game, as if it was handed to them and they didn't spend billions. Don't get mad because ESPN cares more about the post-season than FOX, CBS, NBC... They could have bid on it, but chose not to.
Now you switch up to claim something that i never said. While you review the TV rating numbers, also check to see why a business wouldn't treat the SEC & ACC equally. These are for-profit companies. If you don't like the outcome bitch to the ACC population for not supporting their programs. This reminds me about the Bill Burr segment about men having to care about women's sports. It's on the ACC to care about the ACC. The same goes for everyone else.
As a Noles fan I can finally say that ALL of US are finally on board. Herbstreet is CRAZY!
Yet he's the reason Miami is doing well again
I'm tired of Herbstreit and Finebaum. Both of them full of Hippo 💩
We tried telling everyone this last year. Looks like people are finally waking up to the bias.
We've known about the bias for years now, stop.
Yeah, but FSU won 19 straight games with consecutive wins over both UF and LSU.@@pnut3844able
They want an SEC/Big 10 invitational. Just say it but realize when you split off, its totally you. Olympic sports, Basketball, baseball you have to play yourselves. The rest of college sports moves on wo you. Have your own championship for everything. No more NCAA tourny, no more baseball in Omaha. You have your own league.
Yup. And that alienates over half of the fandom
We in the big ten have no love for espn or herbie.
Kirk doesnt want B1G schools. He hates Indiana.
No. He wants Ohio State in the SEC.
Meh they would put the entire SEC in the playoffs every year if they had their way.
If SMU's QB doesn't totally implode SMU measured up nicely with Penn st. I know he's part of the team but their team did not dominate SMU it was one player playing a really poor game.
But it’s the coach who left him in there to the detriment of both the player and the team. Stone should have gone in after the 2nd interception.
They got killed!!!
QB got them there. You can't take an alibi for poor play of the most important position on the field.
Amazing how ESPN somehow forgets the SEC championship game margin and victory average was more than 17 points last 20 years
They have a short memory when it comes to the SEC. Also insane double standards.
We had to suffer for years with Howard Cosell, and now we have Herb Herbstreit. Fans never get a break.
You know how us Boise State fans when Kirk kept saying stuff that The Bronchos don't belong in the Fiesta Bowl for years now.
Why does the NFL bother to play wild card games when they don’t belong… what an idiot!!
Can't remember the last time every game in NFL wild card weekend was a blowout...
@ I’m sure if you did the research you would find plenty. Additionally it would have to expand to those who got in the playoffs when they played in weaker divisions. Regardless the NFL allows the games to be played and that is the point.
The real issue is that ESPN does not understand playoff football. They ill comprehend home field advantage for home teams. How the fans travel means little when a team is not familiar with another team that is playoff caliber. So it does not matter how big a brand you are. If you only have two weeks and not an entire summer to break down how you want to attack a team or an entire month for one ball game on a neutral site. Then this is what you’re going to get.
Hell the committee doesn't understand playoff football smh
You're getting me excited because as an ASU fan, they'll have 23 days off to prepare before they play Texas. So you're saying there's a chance 😊
@@Teller580There’s definitely a chance.
All Herbstreet and the Sec talking heads care about are more power for their teams. They ll never stop complaining. They don't want other teams coming up and challenging them. Nil has leveled the field and the big brands are concerned they ll be knocked down. I don't want them to change the conference champs getting the byes either. The Sec and Big 10 want 2 of their teams getting byes each year is all that is. The blind side call was terrible imo.
Blind side block call in Clemson Texas game was indeed a horrible call that impacted the outcome to a measurable degree. Made before all this nonsense came out of Herbie’s mouth. He lost all credibility.
Great show guys...really insightful takes!
Also, don't get caught up on losses. In general don't get caught up unless they are SEC or Ohio State.
Do you think there are any other metrics they use? Or do you stop at the lowest hanging fruit?
I hear most saying is because ESPN is in bed with the SEC. That logic falls apart with Ohio State. And ESPN is also in bed with the ACC.
If wins don’t matter why play? Just make a rule and stick with it instead of going by how someone happens to feel that day
I don't know much. But they sure did get Oregon and OSU to meetnin the quarters. If this would have been Bama and the Dogs. They would be in the opposite brackets.
Yup. Just like UGA and Texas
The best way to fix the playoff dilemma going forward: Go from a 12 team format to a 16 team format.
*This eliminates byes.
*The power 4 conferences get 2 autobids each. The conference champ and the runner up.
*The 3rd and 4th seeds of the power 4 conferences have play in games. Example is BIG10 3rd seed plays BIG12 4th seed and the BIG10 4th seed plays the BIG12 3rd seed/ SEC 3rd seed plays the ACC 4th seed and ACC 3rd seed plays SEC 4th seed.
*Games are played on a neutral field on championship Saturday.
*The remaining 4 bids are given as at large bids determined by ranking.
*This guarantees all power 4 conferences will get 2 bids but can earn up to 4 bids if you win play in games against rival conferences.
*The CFP round of 16 games are hosted on campuses of seeds 1-8
*The CFP round of 8 hosted at bowl sites
*The CFP Semis are hosted at bowl sites
*The Championship game is hosted at a bowl site.
no auto bids!!! no conference championship games!!! top 16 teams period!!!!! weak conference champs shouldn't get a chance to be in the playoffs only because they are from a different conference. just choose the best teams period regardless of conference.
@@BackyardAquatics-o2m Absolutely you give conferences autobids, how else do you know who's better? Should we just award bids by the 247sports recruit rankings?
@@BackyardAquatics-o2m I agree. Conference ships mean nothing now
It's not gonna fix anything because ESPNs agenda will still exist. There's no fixing that.
Great idea
Wins and losses are an objective fact. You either win or you lose. You can quantify it, and you can't dispute the result. Same with margin or victory (or loss). It's a number and can be quantified as a hard statistic. Same with total offense, points allowed, etc.. It's simple math. But SOS is totally subjective and open to interpretation. Saying a team didn't play any Top 25 teams doesn't mean anything when the Top 25 is based on subjectivity and changes constantly throughout the season. At one point, Nebraska was #22. At the time Indiana played them, they had dropped out of the Top 25. But they are still the same team. They didn't change demonstrably as the season progressed. A team that played Nebraska in week got credit for playing a Top 25 team, but all teams that played them after week 5 don't? Same with Michigan. They started the season in the Top 10, and stayed in the Top 25 through week 7. Texas beat them in week 3 and gets credit for a Top 10 victory. Indiana played them later in the season, but "never played anyone".
Im a Buckeye and loved these first round games honestly. It’s year one. Parody is awesome for football. What they are setting us up for? 16 teams. Let’s say it was a 16 team format. The 12 stay the same. That leaves 4 teams left. Alabama would get in along with Ole Miss and S Carolina. 3 outa 4 would be more SEC that’s all they want. And probably the last remaining spot goes to Texas AnM. That gives the SEC 7 damn teams. BS. Don’t lose 3 games throughout the season to sorry teams like Vanderbilt and Kentucky with 2 more losses on top of that, and say how great you are.
I used to like Kirk man. SHEESH
Same here. Just caving in for his employer .
I agree, obviously Herbie is just making BS arguments for ESPN/SEC. Realistically if you follow his arguments Texas Penn state Notre Dame Indiana SMU Should not have been in the playoff. And because bama lost 3 games, 2 of them to bad teams , Mississippi lost 3 games, one being to a bad team, you can't legitimately make an argument for them. Also funny how the SEC mouthpieces Aren't saying Tennessee shouldn't have been in and they honestly got beat the worst Ohio state just took it easy on them
Problem with playing all playoff games at NEUTRAL SITES is the atmosphere sucks. Some of the conference championship games at neutral sites are half full & it'll be the same if you ask fans to travel for multiple games at neutral sites if a team advances in playoffs.
I think for the SEC they were already disqualified at losses, bad bad losses.
All the talking heads like Herbie are paid to be reactive and whatever angle they choose is really just meant to stir up argument. Saying sweeping stuff after a wide margin final score is of course rife with hypocrisy risk. It’s one game. For example, Penn State was the beneficiary of four bad plays by Jennings, including missfiring a wide open TE at the goal line on fourth down. Should have been 7-0 SMU right there, or at least a first down if he continued running. That whole first drive was otherwise excellent; SMU had great momentum and Jennings handed it over to PSU. Then later Jennings throws two pick sixes, plus an interception deep in PSU territory. The ‘Stangs were already in scoring position and he gave it away again. That’s four plays by Jennings that resulted, arguably, in a 24 or 28 point swing combined, basically the final margin of this game. Take out those four avoidable snafus by Jennings, and it’s a close game. Jennings handed this game to PSU on a silver platter. I would not generalize from this game, in front of 100,000 Nittany Lions fans in a freezing environment, to say that SMU is far inferior to PSU. Nor would I say Jennings is not a good player. He is. He just had a nightmare of a game. He’s likely going to come back next year with a vengeance.
Yeah he had a terrible game. Good luck next year
You people keep thinking this is a real national championship. It’s an invitational designed to fleece the fans of the largest fan bases with the deepest pockets. That’s all. If you shuffle the teams a little, much different result. SMU beats ND or Texas. Texas needed help from the officials to beat Clemson. Dabo would have done better coaching against Penn State. Clemson beats ND. Indiana’s only there to have someone ND can absolutely beat. No one was going to beat Ohio State. Biggest winner: The Rose Bowl. Ohio State Oregon will have a greater attendance, higher ticket price, larger television audience than the ‘national championship' game. Committee’s mission accomplished.
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The difference between the SEC and the ACC is similar to the difference between the ACC and FCS. All Ws are not created equal.
Kirk herbstreit is the personification of everything wrong with college football
Herbstreit was right - Indiana hasn’t beaten anybody. Well, except for beating a Michigan team that just beat Bama in a bowl game.
An auto-bid is reward enough. Winning the Mountain West or BIG-12 should not get you a bye. ... this is how we end up with BS like Oregon and Ohio State meeting in round 2.
No autobids for anyone!
it was quite obvious that the SMU coach did not prepare his team.
Herbstreit is a buffoon and an sec shill. He says don't get caught up in wins, but then he is more than willing to ignore bad losses like bama's losses to vandy and ou, where they only scored THREE points. 😂
The Sec is losing power. They are in panic mode because they realize Bama isn't going to be dominating anytime soon. They are losing players to Nil and if they don't get their way now, each year that goes by they ll be looked at differently. Agree Kenton, conference winners over runner up Sec or Big 10 teams.
Yup. They've got one or two teams, that's it. And even those few teams aren't that good this year
I hate the SEC -- they still have a hell of a lot more 5-stars on rosters than the BIG-12 and ACC.
@@cacogenicistThan the Big Ten too.
The SEC is losing power? In what exactly? What metric are they losing power in? Pick ANY available one. And don't get quiet because you can't answer the question.
The SEC has been the #1 recruiting conference since 2002. Has that changed? The recruiting ta p ranking for the 2025 recruiting class is lopsided. The SEC should be scared.
Blue Chip Ratio... 16 of them this year. Half (8) are in the SEC. On3 has 19 on their BCR list, and 10 of those 19 are in the SEC.
How about viewership? We losing power there, too? It would be a lot easier if you were more specific, unless you can't be.
The SEC dominates all sports, not just football.
half of the playoff games before this year were not competitive, if you want that to stop 2 team paly off is your answer. with 12 teams you still are going to have only 2-3 champion ship quality team.
Donno and Kenton, Merry Christmas
Merry xmas and go canes
@pnut3844able go UNC I hope lol
Pnut Merry Christmas
Ohio St would have scored 2 more TDs had they not pulled their starters.
After a playoff or two of neutral field games in the first round, then we can talk. No more home games for the favorite teams, especially icebox climate teams hosting a tropical climate team that can't feel their fingers. It makes the games not interesting. Road games are extremely hard in college football, especially in the dead of winter. All playoff games should be on neutral fields.
There were 3 blowouts. Clemson didn't get blown out. That game was in doubt with 5 or 6 minutes left.
The 15-20 team super conferences are the cause of most of these problems. Having that many teams in a conference causes major scheduling imbalances. That's how we end up with teams in major conferences who "didn't play anyone." Conferences shouldn't be so big that teams can't play a full round robin schedule. We need to go back to regional conferences of reasonable size.
Kirk is such a clown. If winning doesn't matter, why does ESPN have the college football playoffs? You determine the winner.
If my Tigers had a run defense it would of been a different game. But if's need to turn into fixes--- looking at you Nick Eason and Wes Goodwin. Need better tackling too and fix the run game ( yes I know Phil was hurt but even still we had major issues). How many times this year did we need one yard and couldn't get it.
But I love my Tigers. We will be back ( and hopefully back to having a dominate defense). Did better with the offense this year while our defense took a slide.
Kirk is right. Vandy probably would have won the ACC or Big12 this year.
CFB is broken and driven purely by money destroying the history and the sport as a whole.
They need to realign everything. Max conference size should be 10 teams, playoffs should be conference champions only. Wins matter regardless.
And as far as tv money, it should be split evenly across the sport. That way it helps everyone, not just the blue bloods and the chosen handful of teams. This drives the game forward, improves quality and makes it a better viewing experience.
If they don’t change it you’ll end up getting 7 win teams into the playoff due to “who they beat”. And that’s ridiculous.
ESPN has the broadcast rights for ACC football fwiw
kirk is right. wins don't matter when you play weak teams. only quality wins matter! play a tougher schedule then you have an argument. until then you have nothing to stand on.
How many quality wins did Texas have this year?
@@BackyardAquatics-o2m And let me guess, you’re going to decide what a quality win is right? Duke is not but Florida is right?
Herbie is a silly overpaid does nothing worth anything for anyone talking head who cares about getting more and more money. He likes it, and doesn’t care about the game. He cares about getting higher and higher in that elite class of money. That’s his game.
Get rid of conference championship games. Award the first 4 seeds a bye. Home sites for the first 2 rounds.
No way Indiana or SMU should have been in the CFP. Esp. Indiana with its arrogant HC and cupcake schedule.
So hold on, since when is losing by 14 pts considered a blowout? In case you missed it, I'm talking about Indiana. Blowouts in FCS and NFL Playoffs all the time. The committee got it right, leave it alone smh. It fans like you and pundits like you, that are going to be the death of college football. Yall wont an SEC/BIG TEN invitational minus Indiana because they're not really part of the BIG Ten right? Its not about the best teams, its about most deserving. Choosing the best teams is totally subjective. Just know that, if people like you get what you want, college football will die. Because people like me will not watch it, be careful what you wish for. Look at the NBA, NFL, etc. Sports as a whole is dying.
@ College football is a joke. Yes I am a Gamecock fan and USC alumni still think it’s a joke. Might as well go full NFL conference division model. No more D1 teams playing D2 JV teams that should be a crime. Leaving it up to conferences to set schedules is dumb. There needs to be a commissioner type person in charge. CBA with contracts for NIL, no contracts leads to portal jumping. Stop the student athlete farce basically NCAAF is just a booster club. Treat it as such. Players want college education fine they pay for it, they should be treated as employees anyway. College football and basketball contributes nothing, nata, zip to the academics of a University or College. NFL and NBA/WNBA have been getting a minor league system for free that should change. I still cheer for my Gamecocks esp. the Lady Gamecocks but my eyes are wide open.
@@MusicCityCANE Indiana lost to ND by 10...
@@JimmieBrown-sg8fqWell said!
Well since total wins alone without regard to who you played or beat it all that matters I guess that means the 10 win MAC champion Ohio Bobcats is better than 9 win Clemson if we apply your logic fairly. Nevermind they didn't beat anyone p4 and got blown out 42-6 by 4 win Kentucky back in the regular season.
But on to more serious note than debating number of wins alone I'm against shitting on SMU because they played a p4 non conference game against BYU so they did their part to make their schedule better than what the conference schedule was.
Indiana played 0 p4 non conference games. They did absolutely nothing to counter the Charmin soft conference schedule they were handed. I think it's fair to criticize them. It's not like there's not any p4 teams that aren't in their conference nearby. Notre Dame is in state. Louisville, Kentucky, and Cincinnati are all in neighboring states and Kentucky is even a rivalry game. Arkansas, Mizzou, Tennessee, Vandy, Pitt, and West Virginia are all within about 300ish miles from Indiana if they wanted something in reasonably close but not the literal neighbors.
Without divisions the SEC isn't as consistent of a schedule as it was with it. The games Tennessee would have had different if Texas and Oklahoma wasn't added to the conference was they would have played Mizzou and South Carolina who was both rather good this year instead of Mississippi State who is the worst team in the conference and Oklahoma who isn't as good as Mizzou or South Carolina. As bad as Tennessee lost to OSU they are probably dropping at least one of those games and going 9-3 if they are playing a 2023 on back schedule
The Acc, Big 12, and G5 fans should not support the college football invitational once all the other conferences aren't in it anymore. Since Espn and its pundits talk about ratings, let's see those ratings when the rest of college football fans tune out. If they want a Big 10/SEC tournament, they have it without our support. The Acc , Big 12, G5 should do what the old AFL did when the NFL wouldn't allow them in. Form your own national championship.
we should just have a play - in like the nba to cut all this nonsense
Home games add to excitement.
The ‘big brands’ cannot be given a free pass to the CFP. Performance in the CFP is not an indication of who ‘belongs’. It takes big game experience for a program to get to a champion’s level. Remember ‘Clemsoning’…. Up and coming programs need time and opportunities.
When did Clemsoning stop? What metric did they start hitting when they started competing for championships? Once you learn this, you'll get a better view of how/why things are the way that they are.
If you don't know, then you're highlighting your own ignorance.
@ not entirely sure I follow your point. I’m just saying that if the CFP caters to brands, great stories like Clemson’s championships are much much less likely to happen again. It takes time and opportunities. Clemson has to do it in a different format. This new format could wipe out stories like that if it caters to brands. I love that there are new faces like Indiana and SMU that are getting a chance.
@ My point is, casual college football fans give uninformed takes about how things are. You claim the CFP is or wants to be about "big brands". How did that help Florida State? Unless you don't think they're a big brand. That alone will contradict your "big brand" logic.
The fact that you don't know when or why Clemson started competing for championships speaks volumes. I figured as much.
Personally, I didn't mind who was in the playoffs. I wasn't on board of the playoff expanding anyway. At this point, if you can't make the top 10 then I don't care what excuses a team has.
@@tremoore9831 again. Not sure I follow. My ‘take’ is an opinion that was based on a simple word that I think you keep missing… “if”. I’m not commenting on how things are, just on how I don’t want things to be, with my opinion on why that is. But clearly you think your opinion should matter and that the CFP committee should have consulted you on expansion. Any metrics on that, or just your opinion? Maybe hold yourself to your own standard.
@ "if" is nowhere on your original comment, and you've already edited it. The one time you use the word "if" is in reference to Clemson competing for the championship storyline. And I called that out as being wrong. That's a factual thing, It's measured by the BCR. I understand why you felt the need to flip it. I called you out for not knowing about Clemson's turnaround. It's OK not knowing, but that ignorance is causing you to have a wrong view of things.
I said i didn't care about who got it if you weren't able to make the top 10. Somehow, that translates to the committee needed to consult with me? Me saying I wasn't on board with the playoffs expanding means I think that only a few teams have a legit shot at winning the title. The rest can be filled in by whomever.
Herbstriet is wrong and is just carrying the message that ESPN wants put forth. Wins during the season have to matter, if not then why play the season. Just take the top 12 preseason teams which will likely be 5 SEC Teams, 4 B1G teams and 2 Big 12 teams and 1 ACC team and just play it out. Here are my two cents on how to fix the CFP. First, all P4 schools must schedule other P4 schools for their out of conference scheduling. Next, official rankings should not come out until after the 3rd or 4th game of the season. My rationale is that many schools, especially SEC schools play a very weak out of conference schedule, then rely on the opinion that the SEC is so tough. This opinion, highlighted by a subjective preseason ranking that always heavily ranks SEC teams in the top 15, then rewards them for losing to a conference opponent by not dropping them far in the polls as they would a school from another conference, allows for the argument that Alabama should be in the playoffs over SMU and Indiana. Never mind who Bama lost to. Next, conference champs get an automatic bid and no changes to the top 4 seeding. Expand to 16 teams, then take the remaining top 11 teams after the five automatic bids. Lastly, Notre Dame must join a conference. No more of this conference adjacent stuff.
What has the acc ever won...while not named Clemson? Crickets anyone?
Indiana not being a blue blood may have something to do with it to .
You know that the narrative will change from year to year. We can't Forcast the future. Next year it might work perfectly might not might not be nothing close to this year. Leave it alone and give it some time.
I say we draw the line at the power 4 conferences. And each conference has equal stake in the playoffs (top 3 spots in each conference gets a playoff spot). Simple. Things will eventually balance itself out now with NIL. I just want each team to have equal opportunity. The argument can be do we draw the line at the power 4 or create a league for the SEC/BIG10 only. I say keep the 4 conferences. There's enough talent to go around to make things exciting and that means more games and more markets and more revenue. am I wrong
People need to get that autobid logic out of here. I agree at the VERY least, there needs to be a G5 split. But the power conferences aren't equal either.
What would eliminate most of the confusion is having a universally agreed upon Strength Of Schedule (SOS) format. Right now, everyone calculates it differently. ESPN uses the FPI (Football Power Index), the Sagarin Ratings uses a universal formula designed to eliminate bias, every rating system put higher emphasis on different things.
Most SOS are calculated by the winning percentage of the opponents you face. For example, College Football Network has Michigan as their #1 SOS. Michigan played a 7-5 Arkansas State, however, if they played a 6-6 Arkansas their SOS would have taken a hit. Now, which one of those teams should warrant a higher/tougher SOS?
Michigan & Central Michigan shouldn't be a 1:1 comparison. The talent level of the team you face should matter. The Sagarin Rating had Oregon higher in the ranking than Washington in their final ranking last year. Why? Because Oregon had a larger margin of victory in their major bowl game against Liberty, than Washington had against Texas in their major bowl game. Then Washington went on to play another game, but because of how they measure SOS the head to head these two had twice didn't end up mattering. Meanwhile, Texas had 11 players drafted in the NFL last year, guess what Liberty had?
Herbstriet is wrong, wins and losses should matter.
Losses that should matter:
1. ACC going 0-2 and not being competitive in the playoff
2. ACC champion going 0-3 against the SEC and only being competitive in 1 of those 3 games
3. SMU not being able to win the ACC championship game and still getting a playoff game only to get dominated by the 3rd best Big 10 team
Wins and losses matter. Yall ignore all of this bc youre just as biased as Herbstriet just for a different conference.
Miami and Cal both had wins over SEC teams
Um because Indiana only played 1 ranked team and lost to the one they did. No one was surprised by any of the wind in the first round.
Amy defense balled out. The QB lost the game.
Don’t call us ACC adjacent. Go Irish!
NIL and the portal have destroyed college football anyway.....so why does it matter what Herbstreit says?
Locked On Getting Out Of The ACC
Herbie Tennessee got blown out SEC baby
These two got complete ACC blinders on. ACC is a D1 JV football conference 🤣!
it's all about those good losses, yeah Kirk?
If only there was a fanbase that saw this piece of crap for what he is like... a year ago... but they were crazy aholes right?
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NC state has never won anything in football… and this U guy has not won anything in 20+ years. GoNoles !!!
Ooh conspiracy theories! Yes, having four blowouts has nothing to do with it!!!
ACC sucks
How? No one has explained yet!
I can't say what I would like to because youtube takes my comments down.
Not even close to how bad the SEC sucks!
They take mine down too.😂
@leeption1able
ACC really has no leg to stand on after both of their entrants got boat raced in the first round.