Why Dave Rapoza left Magic: The Gathering (it’s AI)
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
01:50 Dave invents fan art
03:50 Dave invents livestreaming
08:00 Dave invents depressed skeletons
09:45 The Magic: The Gathering AI controversy
14:30 Dave stops working with Wizards of the Coast
19:25 AI and artist solidarity
21:40 Wizards confirms AI was used
24:25 Generated madness
26:30 Legal protections and lawsuits
28:43 Glaze & Nightshade
38:20 The Kim Jung Gi postmortem AI model
43:00 What you lose out on by using AI
55:40 Authenticity of perspective in art
57:43 What's next for Dave
1:03:26 The most important thing you can do in the face of AI
1:12:30 The importance of failure
1:18:26 Advice for new artists in the time of AI
1:23:45 Outro, where to find and support Dave
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Thanks so much for having me, I had a great time!
I'm still thinking about your transformers piece every day Dave, thank you so much
Congradulations on your work and huge huge huge props for taking a stand against the single biggest crime against human art in the history of the world -I will gladly die on this hill with you need be
Dave thank you for your insight. And thank you for helping to inspire my Illustration degree project with your Starveil comic!
Thank you Dave!
Who? I only remember a few artist from WotC, Mellisa Benson, Jesper Myrfors, but seems MTG artists are still getting abused by WotC, so good you gave Hasbro the 🖕
The amount of times someone has asked me if I'm ok when I'm really just having a mini revelation over the lighting on a random object in their living room....
Great talk guys.
I just turned 30 and started learning art and going to school at 28. Making friends, getting better, and looking forward to working with my heroes and my new friends. Let’s do this!
That's funny, I'd say I'm in a very similar situation!
@@wjm_213 same actually haha
I wish I just turned 30 😢
Yes, the KJG AI thing made me feel sick.
It sucked.
I don’t even like his terrible art but yes
@@reginaldforthright805 bro you're so cool
@@reginaldforthright805 Look at this edgelord we have here. Reading the room on a deceased master is sooo hard.
@@reginaldforthright805 wrong
Completely agree with Dave, AI generated art will become the fast food of the creative realm.
Human hand drawn/created art will be seen as the natural healthy alternative and a new renaissance for the work of 'Natural human art' will begin to arise in the world.
Yeah it will be the same, like with an Katana made by an cheap Chinese Company for hundred bucks Vs. an Katana made by an Japanese master Blacksmith.
@@2dmajor999 which means much much fewer people will get paid for it, which means more deppression in the population because artists need to create but they won't if they can't get paid for it
@@2dmajor999 So pretty much will wipe out the industry, with only a handful of people being able to stick around. Sounds about right.
@@BusinessWolf1 ah yes like all those musical artists who don't create because they can't get paid for it....
@@BusinessWolf1 AI art will cover some of the depression in society.
Tremendous respect to Dave. I've been a fan since the conceptartorg days. And it is of major esteem for him to take on this stand! Hoping for more prominent artists to follow in and make a loud stance on this AI bullshit with greedy corporations .. it is disgusting!
Someone remembers conceptart! I speak to friends about it and fond memories and they all look at me blank. Im so thankful for that time on that site. And remember Daves work fondly
Wacom just had AI art in their promotional art as well. The irony
They apologized and said that it was by mistake, that they bought a pack that had ai, now apologized and deleted. So it’s probably by accident, it’s also stupid from marketing point of view, cuz they pay the same amount but doing the countreprodactive part for their sails. But still it’s pretty funny and stupid from their part.
@@daniilivanov9525nah their ‘apology’ was not an apology. It was a major backpeddle and they got caught out
@@daniilivanov9525 lmao "by mistake" is such a "yeah i accidentally bought those cookies, idk they just fell into my shopping cart" moment. like what do they even mean by bought a pack, just hire an artist you're literally a pentablet company
Just buy an ipad pro, apple pen is better than wacom pen anyday lmao
@@iAmNothingnessI prefer the Wacom pen but I don’t paint digitally anymore so I use the iPad for when I need to. I don’t like the feel of the Apple pen on the glass, or with a paper like screen protector on it
I love the anger from the ai crowd. They get mad when you point out you aren't doing anything regarding skill when you boss and AI around. It's the same as any client telling you what they want and a human (the artist) does the work. No rational person would give credit to the person paying and artist to do the actual work, yet somehow we think that a person telling a machine to make this is different.
I've been an artist for a long time trying to get into the art industry professionally to now have to try overcome AI bs. Looking at my art I see snippets of my life's hardships throughout my art and what I was going through when making it. AI is not just stealing art its stealing artist's story, identity and hard work.
38:30 thank you for speaking on this Dave. This has been the most dehumanizing couple years because of things like this. People saw it in Black mirror with "Ashley Too" but it's happening in real time with visual artists and no one batted an eyelash. Its stomach churning.
I think everyone concerned was ok with this until the AI work began to threaten your paychecks. Then it became 'insufferable'. Before that? You looked down your noses at the non-creative types. Nice to see that your position, too, can be filled by a machine.
@@MrCenturion13haha. AI is garbage that cannot match real artists, madame, no matter how much you wish it would.
@reginaldforthright805 : shut it, troll. No one believes you. Not even you.
@@MrCenturion13 "non-creative" types do not exist...you know that right? It's not like artists are born with some kind of special power
...they just decided the effort needed to create art was worthy. The only difference I see is people that do want to work hard to create things and people that don't but still want to create art. But that doesn't make them "non-creative"...probably it's not their passion, not the path that they want to follow, they're creative to the point they want to create something, but do not want to put the effort needed on it.
My take on AI generative art is that it won't stop...but at some point its perceived value will decline when every human, but more important, every company, will be able to do the same thing in an instant without any effort
@@vahn_of_the_art : shhhh. You're wasting your time here. Lecture elsewhere, Poindexter.
44:56 art has certainly been the biggest factor in my own personal development. (excluding the obvious more objective things like anatomy, perspective, color theory etc) It taught me disciplin, made me more open minded, taught me the importance of structure, it humbled me (a lot), gave me a sense of belonging and a whole lot of stuff. I started out drawing because i was a h***y teenager and wanted to draw anime women but after 10+ years of working hard every day on learning the craft it shifted into something way bigger for me and gave me an interest in history and culture overall. Since a lot of learning art is about observing things it also opened my eyes to how amazing certain mundane things really are.
My dissatisfaction with AI's capabilities initially convinced me to take up digital art, but I've fallen in love with the practice for the same reasons you two talk about here. I love the way it changed how I see the world's forms, light and shadow, and color, and I love the way I can already see my personality in the artistic decisions I make (even the terrible ones, haha - sometimes especially the terrible ones).
It's been fun. Challenging, but fun. Your philosophy from other videos has helped me stick it through my first few 'art blocks' over the last couple months, so thank you for that. I particularly struggle with perfectionism, which is part of why I was initially drawn to AI - it was easy to get a result that made me feel impressed at first. But it was also what drove me away from it, as I couldn't achieve the results I wanted, even though I got pretty deep into it.
I hope more stories like mine come out over time. An ethical version of AI might make its way back into my work at some point, but I'd rather use it as a way of brainstorming for inspiration by throwing random keywords at the wall, or saving time on boring tasks that I'm confident I could do myself if I felt the need, but we'll see. In the meantime, I'm enjoying the challenge of learning to do everything by hand, and it feels good to look back and remember every brush stroke and why I felt like it was the right one to make. Even if I question them in hindsight. :P
I want you
No use of ai is acceptable.
@reginaldforthright805 you're being unrealistic
Wow thats cool, really happy you're on this amazing journey.
stop using youtube then @@reginaldforthright805
"There is room for you in this world"…it’s so easy to forget that, or to get dragged under the torrent of life to then become blind to that. I needed to hear those words. Thank you Steven for having Dave on to talk, and thank you Dave for speaking with such honesty.
sounds nice but it's out of touch feels good bullshit, there's room if you are very very good, you have the right skills and taste, the right likeable personality to network if you don't have those things. the people at the bottom are almost non existent, I see decent art accounts with like 0-3 likes, can't make a living at all. ai is going to scrape the bottom lower end of artists for sure, only really skilled like zapata and dave or those that have an existing fan base will stand out.
How many homeless people do you have living with you? None, that's right. So shut up with the grand standing b.s.!
@@markcooperartcomno correlation
@@casey-zd5mj so like it should be? Yes you cant be bad at something and make a living out of it, unless you cheat and your dad owns a company.
And you dont need a fanbase to get art jobs, they only care about your portfolio, how many of amazing artistss work in games and movies and they prob have less than 50k followers, 'ive seen PROFESSIONALS with even less than that, i've got some jobs with my art, pretty low paying and simple ones while having 300 followers on IG and maybe 10 on artstation, wanna know how? BY JUST SENDING THEM THE FUCKING PORTFOLIO, my "fanbase" would have 0 value for them.
Just finished it. It is past bedtime, but after hearing all the passion in your talk I am pumped up to do some art before going to sleep.
42:30 THANK YOU for bringing this up Steven this is exactly what ive been noticing with master artists it's a gross distortion of reality, legacy, and truth. I don't see any way out of this without robust and obvious flagging systems that clearly denote when something is AI generated and did not come from an artist let alone a human.
ironically it will most likely be an AI based flagging system. Sometimes good guys with guns have to get the bad guys with guns.
The way Dave talks about artist journey spoke to my soul. Beautifully put. Maybe I just gained more motivation and willpower to pursue art. Thank You
I couldn’t identify with it all. I think he’s just a very emotional person but not everyone thinks like that.
@@reginaldforthright805 nah, the journey of art, if taken serious, will set you up for plenty of self reflection and facing your shortcomings
something that most people avoid by way of escapism
@@shadowsketch926 ok yes its very difficult and you will learn perseverance and dedication, but thats about it. None of the grandiose, poetic nonsense.
My fear is that the only path is to find a means to certify original, non AI, art and find our tribe that will support it. Too many big businesses and consumers dont care about the use of AI. They just want it cheap.
It's not 100%, but there are already good online tools that return a probability of an image being AI generated. Google search for "is this image ai generated?".
@@kikolargo I've heard the hit or miss rate on these tools are definitely (at least from a statistical standpoint) too unreliable at least currently.
businesses still need people to generate those AI images and use the correct prompts etc.
Thanks to both of you guys for this conversation. Great to hear about what others are going through. Keep the community strong!
I personally went some art forum but unfortunately many of them are shutting down or inactive after so many years. I’m glad crimson dagger is still stay up and active. It really helps me growth. Very nice community. I have been joined there since 2013 🙂
thank you for the video! I had a great drawing session listening along to you two
Great stream! Appreciate both of ya!!
awesome interviews :) i was watching David streaming yesterday he is a crazy good artist :)
much needed, thank you dave and steven
This was a great listen. Thanks for the interview man.
I wish I could like this video a hundred times. Amazing dialogue, from both of you.
Thank you for talking about this!
It's just so sad what happens here.
About the stock photo stuff. They also started rejecting my REAL art because it competed with their A.I. generated stuff. So it's not just that they're monetizing stolen art, but they're actively blocking artists from making money on stuff that's not A.I.
Authenticity of perspective in Art - Dave hits the nail absolutely on the head with this great point. I've watched countless World War 2 movies but when I first met my Wife's Grandad he had some war stories that he lived through that I was absolutely struck in awe listening to.
When I see some particular AI generated artwork or concept usually my reaction is "oh cool" quickly followed by "oh wait, this is ai" followed by an empty emotionless void instead of the usual feeling of admiration id feel for the artist/designer. Its hard to describe but the analogy Dave makes sums it up very well.
Thank you so much for this, Steven!
Still got half an hour to go, but wanted to say both of you guys are blessings on the face of this planet, please never stop being the inspiration and creative geniuses you are.
Awesome conversation. Generative art has deterred me as an artist in the past few years. I felt like I had to ultimately embrace this new technology and the changing landscape of art. This conversation is helping me steer back in the right direction and overall mindset
I used to be a hobby/aspiring artist and the ai image tech showing up so fast and being so good sent me into a deep depression. I have since at least picked up the pen again but I have not entirely recovered
Dave and Steve! You both are a big inspiration💪🙌⚡ This conversation brings out such honest emotions and sets a context to why we pursue art in the first place. Thank you both for being around and sharing the energy! 🙏 Keep Going!
watching this while working!
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great stuff, thank you! gives a lot of hope and makes one go on
Great talk. Thanks Dave and Steven.
Really happy to have caught this, great discussion. Wrapped up in an edifying way that had me running to the drawing board.
Awesome talk with great people! You inspire me to continue my art path in this dark madness of ai mess and war in my country. Thank you for this
I needed to hear this today! Thank you guys.
Great conversation, I really needed this today
Great conversation! Hopefully y’all do another ep together. Always like hearing Dave talk about art and comics. Thanks Steve!
Love this. I love when people speak from the heart; it's so real! Best of luck to both of you guys and thank you for these super inspiring and empowering words!
Thank you so much, guys. As an artist who's still grinding away I needed to hear all of this.
What a lovely chat by these two incredible artists. Makes the work day fly by.
I've grown tired of debating AI bros because most if not all of them are ignorant and/or arguing in bad faith.
I think the way forward is to try to survive, while educating as many people as possible and motivate them to take the journey as a 2D artist. There will always be people interested in the craft, and the worst choice is we giving up and going out silently.
Don't lose hope my brothers and sisters.
they're all just leftover NFT bros. just trying to make money without doing any work or developing any skills
Maybe dont start your discussion with “ai bros” if you want good faith arguments.
@@Kudagraz yea it’s better to just ignore them.
Great talk guys, so much great stuff on Ai and just being an artist in general, love it
thanks for doing these
40 years and always trying to achieve something significant with my illustrations, I always repeat that to myself, keep moving forward. I liked it when they came to that conclusion, you guys are great.
I see AI images in ads all the time now and its really bizarre, like there's no actual lonely hot singles in Romania/Vietnam/Ukraine looking for love! 😂 not even mad at this point some algo got me looking at uncanny valley MAIL ORDER BRIDES
I always liked Dave Rapoza. Seems like a cool human who does cool art. Mad respect for taking such a stand xx
Dave is an artistic hero of mine. Thanks again for so much. Good luck to you n your family
Awesome talk, thanks for sharing personal thoughts on the industry! 👍
i wonder if a glaze/nightshade-like product could be developed for writing. that'll really make a mess on all AI things.
It's bound to come about someday (for video and audio too!). I can't wait.
@Northern_Silverbird it's as they say "inevitable" :P
It's tougher for sure because writing does not have much imperceptible elements to it, like you would notice the glazing as an average reader. Fortunately for us the AI spammers are doing our work for us because the more AI-generated content they put out the more gets accidentally scraped and ends up corrupting the model further. I imagine they are having a tougher time scraping the whole internet en masse like they did in the research days.
Ai is a gay lie
all prototypes so far have failed. flagging texts from the 19th century as faked lol. hell, even rudimentary algorithms like the kinds used by colleges for plagiarism frequently flag many essays just because there's only so many ways you can phrase technical terms or, like, opening sentences, or quoting a text
at least right now, those who try to take shortcuts are usually not bothered enough to check for extremely obvious issues like the generated text saying "i am not allowed to generate [insert prompt here]"
So brave of Dave, honestly I hope Wizards learns from this
Dave is one of my favorite artists. He's been the biggest source of inspiration in improving my skills and loving what I do. So glad to see you guys talking.
oh i def need more of this, amazing
beautiful interview that i never expected to see , Steven u should keep interviewing more ppl u got the right approach
Awesome interview!
lovely talk ! I can finally start listening to art podcasts if they are all like this one
This was goooodddd.
Great talk guys. All Dave has done is amazing
Awesome interview! I really look up to Dave. Long time ago he reviewed a Mtg fanart I did for the Critters series he had. And all the tips, comments and advice he gave me really helped me to improve on my artwork :)
Thank to you two guys
Never heard of the Kim-Jung-Gi situation wtf.
It was like done immediately after he died too. It was scummy to the max.
Great conversation guys
Beautiful and inspiring talk in those dire times. Hopefully we can make progress on those issues in the right direction, and prevent as many artist from being hurt by this in the meantime.
And let us learn to enjoy the process, the struggle, the highs, the lows... The whole freaking journey.
a very enjoyable listen, and I feel I learned at least a little bit
Great talk. Dave is an absolute legend
i've never played magic, but have followed Dave for years now
Greatest interview ever!!
Great talk
Just seeing this, but I'm glad I watched it. This might feel silly for some, or even whiny, but I've genuinely contemplated suicide at my lowest points during this. AI is scary, and art is my life, so feeling like this has really put me in my deepest lows and feeling vulnerable. These videos talking about AI and prevailing through it all has given me hope to stick through and follow my dreams. I love Dave, he's one of my muses, and hearing him tell me that I can do this really inspired me. I'm grateful for you guys and the community you bring to us all. Thank you very much for giving me light.
I don’t think it’s silly and I can totally relate to your feelings. I also considered suicide over this many times. I also thought it’s whiny but it helps to know that I’m not the only person feeling this way. It makes me question my sanity when everyone around me is nothing but excited about AI. This was a great video and it’s given me hope as well, it helps to see that we’re not alone in this fight
good on you Dave!
Absolutely loved this interview ❤ Generationally, some ppl of the younger generation want to finish the product now not later, they want to skip the hard parts of personal development and skip straight to being the best/good without the struggle. AI and its creators saw a need from those generations with disregard for the journey. That push a button and get a product, not just art, is a real expectation for this newer generation. I appreciate Dave Rapoza and his work. I've always loved his work but wasn't familiar with him and now I follow and subscribed. I love his art style ❤
Wow, another amazing artist!
Thanks!
I absolutely agree with the growth 📈 part at the end. There will always be drama.
Great talk. Its been a while since I listened to the whole AI debacle, I think you guys covered some interesting angles. I have noticed what everyone mention in this day and age is the human element, the human touch, love.
My 50cent take on this topic as an artist; is worldbuilding, if youre creating characters, environments, mechs, props -what ever- that is going to be the future for us. Creating a world, that you can call yours, with your style.
Dave thank you for speaking on this and Steven Aswell. Just wanted to express how cool this episode was and filled with artistic wisdom.
AI art bros soon will no longer have the energy to type sentences into their computer as they eagerly await the new "make art button"
great podcast
Dam this duo is fire already and im less than a minute in. Hell yeah!
The sad thing, based on how many comments I got when I first started attacking AI art years ago, is that many people that are not artists answer that they just don’t care. Prices won’t go down, but people will lose jobs, true geniuses will never get a chance to start, and the overall quality will be lower. But normal people do not care.
We have become the kind of society where brand loyalty is a part of a person’s identity, they will literally threaten yo kill you if you attack a brand. No one cares because they aren’t real fans. I hope that as products people love become lower and lower quality those people who ask, “who cares?” lose the thing they love to corporate greed.
Oh yeah I met so many people who think genuinely that their mind works the same as a computer and wouldn't mind becoming compost for Silicon's Valley Secular Rapture
To commission a single drawing costs upwards of $100. Way more expensive then any AI software service. Not sure where you got the prices won't go down line from.
@@OMGUKILLKENNY2 Prices of the end product won't go down. Companies will use AI instead of paying artists, the games will have worse art and the companies will increase their profit - consumer's won't get cheaper games because they're now cheaper to make. I'm pretty sure that's what they meant.
@@Olooriel I'm talking specifically about commissioned artwork. Where the art is the end product.
@OMGUKILLKENNY2 I get that, I'm just saying the person you were replying to likely didn't - they mentioned "products". And that's where they got the "prices won't go down line" from that you mentioned.
I think the one problem that everyone is having is the lack of honesty and integrity with people who are using AI art. They know damn well that if they even mentioned that it was done by AI they would be dropped like a hot rock. No one likes this fake art so they lie about it. Its a low mark in humanity but not that surprising if you ask me. Just very disappointing. The customer should always know if its human made because that is naturally more impressive to a lot of people. I honestly do like AI art a lot but will never use it in any personal final project, I dont see the point?
im working on a short movie , overall i will need 7 years to finish it with all assets, cel animation and sound and va. if i can finish it in 5 years with the help of ai instead of 7 years , is that not good enough for you ? should i kill myself with my passion like the japanese animators do?
@@alexmehler6765 Personally I like the idea of AI being used as a tool to help pitch a creators vision; not to convince say a big studio, but artists who might be intrigued by an idea. While artists train themselves to express their idea effectively, for others only being able to communicate their visions through words fails them. However I do think that by the very nature of AI working solely in prompts and rather than through willful choice, there will always be lackluster qualities like artifacting, or melting and meaningless details, because that is the natural consequence of objective prompts falling short of subjective value judgements. In the end intent or lack thereof shows itself.
MAN, my respect for this two really went up listening to this, as an aspiring artist i gave up about two years ago but recently i just thought" screw it im doing this", it's really good to hear all this.
Thankyou you two beautiful people. Thankyou for being sane X
I enjoyed this so much I watched it twice. ❤
Always a pleasure listening in on either one of you (sorry for not choosing a favorite). I made the very wise decision to honor my earliest desires to become a great artist and have never been lead astray by your musings. I got a late start in life and at times I also have my doubts but you always have a way of sneaking in a little reassurance that we all have that feeling along the way. Thanks for a great interview!
Incredible that papa Rapoza is standing for what’s right. Bless Rapoza, bless Zapata
the struggle is real indeed.
(high forces ost) starts playing 😭
Good, my work day just got better.
Its ironic that the company thinks they can trick the one group of people who literally train their eye to notice the details and nuances in images .
52:56 Loved this point.
In the best scenario, enough people use nightshade to destroy these AI thieves and people go back to drawing and painting. It baffles me we are training robots to do the things we love to do and not the boring jobs.
It can do both. The difference is that failure at art (extra fingers etc) has no consequences but in the real world it’s dangerous.
Making money >>>> human creativity. It's just now that creativity can be commodified using an Ai that analyzes the work of others to make middling variations on it (or as ai bros euphemistically like to say "trains" the ai). It will be commodified. There was always contention between art and economic interests. It's just now it's showing it's true colors. It is out to make money. If artists can be automated to a certain extent to cut costs, they will. Of course the Ai is much more generic than humans, but some businessman who dgaf about art won't care.
If you want other jobs to be replaced you have to accept that your job will also be replaced, because who can decide what is a good job and a bad one. You can still make art like before just that you cant make money with it. Artist are not holy and better than other people just because they do something "creative", actually most of the artists job is very technical and less creative, just like any other job.
they coming for the boring jobs too.
@@natzos6372 That's the thing though right - in a perfect world, the result of a job being mechanized/automated is that _less people have to work_ instead of a companies simply getting more labour for cheaper while workers still need jobs out of a now smaller pool.
The argument isn't that "artists as people are uniquely deserving of keeping their jobs unlike the other plebs", automation costing people their jobs _is in itself always a bad thing_ (since we live in a world where you need a job to y'know, live).
But some things being automated _also_ has a good side, in that 1. people need food, clothes etc. and mass producing necessities can mean more people have access to them (...in theory, of course distribution is _another_ flaw in our system), and 2. it spares people from having to do some monotonous or dangerous tasks (though again, it's a shame that "I'm not needed for [harmful/boring task]" is followed by "...and I still need money for food somehow").
For 1. art isn't a "fungible substance" like food, where if 1000 people need to eat you have to make 1000 hamburgers (and you'd probably prefer 1000 mediocre hamburgers over one excellent one for this purpose). If 1000 people want to listen to a song, they can all listen to the one excellent song! And would prefer it over each getting their own "unique" but mediocre generated one. For 2. people like making art! You CAN have crunch situations or injuries or whatever with art, especially as work, but in a utopia where you didn't need to work to live, people would still be making art... and in that world they would still deserve proper credit and recognition for what they themselves did.
The only people this really benefits are the employers for whom the art is neither something they want to experience nor create, only profit from. This is what's shared between most automation: it benefits employers, it hurts employees, the difference here is _it doesn't even benefit the consumer_
I like this conversation a lot, maybe because its filled with meaningful talk rather than surface level same loop of questions
I felt I had to step down from teaching (college, universities) for the same (similar) reasons. It sucks because I really did enjoy my job, it was a good institution and could sustain myself. But it just seems wrong to “teach” people that want to get better at their craft with the exact same tool that is stealing new generations from the opportunity to become someone.
I don't see the good that will do. i would stay to tell the students to never submit their best drawings. Wait till the school start training Ai on students and steal the next Picasso before he even knew he was.
@@TotoLakay They already are incorporating ai. Some of the first assigments for graphic designers now is "how to use ai"? It's bleak out there.
@@TotoLakay maybe I’m just a horrible teacher man. That’s always a possibility.
@@sr_bob if you've helped one person get the knowledge they needed to reach a better place, that is a blessing you shouldn't take for granted.
@@mf--why would anyone go to an art school, they’re clueless. No one is going to make money with AI, it’s all going to be purged from the internet eventually
It was good to hear your thoughts on this Dave. I wish all present day artists had the opportunity to have worked for WotC before it was purchased by Hasbro.... it was a completely different experience.
glad to see Dave on here!
1:13:40 That feeling Is my very favorite thing in the world.
25:00 Adobe know. Each Stock submission is vetted by a human. What they DO NOT do is a basic sanity check on the tagging (AI or not). Nor apparently vet for artist names or names of properties
Do you own thing, it will always be the most important part of producing art, crafting your emotion into a moment that goes beyond, and through the emotions we have and can feel.
I have to say the worst is the artists out there who continue to be useful idiots for these corporations that want nothing more then to not have to pay ANYTHING- NIENTE SOLDI per i miei ragazzis - for art content. Let me repeat they want to not have to pay anything for art. If you know the states d mission of these companies is to pay artists ZERO dollars then why would you as an artist continue to go to the mat for them? Uuuugh. MOLTO PAZZECO I miei Amici.
The only solution is to not settle for boring art as a consumer.
Companies push for homogenized art styles-generic Riot style fantasy as an example, because consumers go for that, companies notice and search for artists who can draw like that. Schools push for students to draw like that. The market becomes over saturated with that style, and Ai benefits.
We need to enter a new experimental age.
@@Garl_Vinlandwe need to ban the unregulated commercial use of the tech as well. As Steve has said the solution lies in the legal outcome of these cases
@@Garl_Vinlandto be honest artists need their own version of SAG-AFTRA. I don’t know how we get there or if it is possible but that is the only way out
money is secondary, the ai guys want make an example out of this , demonstrating their prowess over humanity and what seemd to distinguish us from everything else that exists.