Line 6 VS Boss | Are These The Best Modern Delays?
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I’m just going to pretend that I don’t want any of those pedals. I’m switching myself to see as a third person and and talking to him “I know you feel distracted and tempted by new rectangular boxes with knobs but I also know you’ve worked hard to own the other rectangular boxes with knobs that you acquired the other days. So I know you’ve the strength to overcome this predicament too.” Nowadays I’ve been repeating this every time I see those green boxes.
I just bought a DL4 MKii! No other pedals are as user friendly and easy in a live setting.
Listening to this while watering my plants in the big tent out in the garage !!
I used to have a Roland RE-201. That thing was in MINT condition. It was if it had just rolled off the floor of the Roland factory in Japan. It was unbelievable. I did replace the tape at one point on my own, somehow. Playing that through my vintage Fender Twin Reverb was so good. I miss both of those two pieces of equipment quite a bit. I have since purchased the RE-20 and it mimics the sound pretty well. I REALLY want to try that Boss RE-202. I love that it looks like a Boss CE-1 which I also used to have two of. I had a lot of vintage gear. I miss it all. Lovely video, Rhett!
Honestly, seeing just the size comparison of all these pedals was really helpful as well. Thanks for this
Man, that big Boss pedal is calling my name! WANT!
Funny Boss succeeded in selling me a volante! Got really interested in the Rv-202 but the sound and features of the volante won me over.
I watched a demo of the line 6 mrk2 pedal and it's way way way cool , remembering all or even half of what it can do requires it's own road crew , sounds great , I just dont have enough memory in my little pointy head. always a treat , love your style and grace.
Everybody asking: “why not just get HX effects over DL4 Mkii?”
Because HX effects costs more than double. If you are looking for delay, reverb, and looper, why pay $350 extra?
Both of the Boss Space Echos are my favorite here. Line 6 just doesn’t come close imo to the sounds of Boss even though the Line 6 can do so many more delays types.. and to be honest I just have never liked the Line 6 DL4… Strymon sounds better than the Line 6 but it is still missing some of the magic that both of the Boss pedals have. I must get the Boss, it’s just matter of which one of the two 🤷🏽♂️😁
What do you think of el capistan?
Nice video. I had a 201, 301, 501 and 555 back in the late 70s/80s. It's a pity you're not running into the front end of the amp. Space Echoes and Echoplexes were designed that way. I don't think these quite get there, but they're funky. Now I have a few Echoplexes and happiest with the Catalinbread BED. Also I couldn't get my DL4 close enough to my Echoplexes or DMM so it went!
Thanks for using the Kemper. I actually appreciate you showing this great piece of gear along with these beautiful pedals.
Just ordered the 202, super stoked. My first Boss pedal in years since a Blues Driver, 2nd ever. I’m a big delay and Space Echo fan, so this is good stuff.
i have been looking a vids for hours YOU ARE THE FIRST TO MAKE MUSIC WITH IT thank you
That Kemper profile sounds aces. I can definitely see the value.
For me space-saving is key and I go for compact models. I recommend the Digitech Obscura which is mid-budget and has an huge array of features, including superb tape emulation. I have a Dunlop Echoplex which I'm just getting to know - already loving its worn-out tape setting. My Ibanez Soundtank is nearly 30 years old, although it sounds a tad weak and has limited features compared to today's units. Tape emulation in compact delay pedals wasn't a thing back then.
I use the obscura myself it’s a great pedal but it just died on me :(
Maxon AD999 does what I need and is my personal favorite pedal for delay.. I am sure these are great. Too many choices. I would not use for me personally.
My fav analogie delay.
Looong analog delay, but lacked the tone of its predecessors
I've played the volante and it sounded great. Very inspiring to play. Nice video! I just saw the others came out, I still think I'm going to purchase a Volante.
i just did the same based on a three year old Rhett review. his reviews are good enough to sell me things he doesn't like... lol
You should probably mention that the HX Stomp is more the double the cost of the DL4 MKII. All I would need are the delays, reverbs, and looper anyway. DL4 MKII is a no brainer for me.
Yeah. I wonder why they did not mention that.
I'll be wating for Boss Chorus Ensemble
Had a volante a while back, couldn’t wait to get rid of it. I like strymon stuff….But was very sterile almost lifeless.
Not sure if you cover this mid vid, You suggested if you are thinking about getting an L6 dl4 mkii or an hx unit you recommend the HX unit over the DL MKii. Now if it was between the volante, re 202 which would you recommend and if you have an L6 HX unit would you bother with either volante or re202?
Thanks for answering my question Rhett! I’m not precious about my guitars at all, just hate having strap buttons or bridge screws strip out. I think that is my biggest worry with the pine.
I’m loving the SG. Killer ax
The best guitar I ever had… a mid-60s SG Junior. What a sound! ❤️
If you had to pick just one out of the 4 push come to shove what would you take Rhett ? ….. Would love to know ⭐️🌞👍🏻⭐️
The sound at 17:57 is totally glorious. Wish list.
Good luck trying to buy at retail. Your going to be on a list for long time.
Have wanted a compact space echo for a long time. RE2 landed on my board yesterday! Happy days.
Great run through! Thanks. Love the new dl4 mk2.
My local shop has a demo board that you can try all the best delays head to head. He has the Eventide TimeFactor, the Line 6 DL4 MkII, the Boss Space Echo, the Strymon Timeline and a EHX Memory Man 1100-TT. Those are all his "high end" stuff. On another board he has the normal pedals like the Carbon Copy, the DD3, the Echoplex, etc. All of them on his high end board are just fantastic. I don't think you can go wrong with any of them. Having the Helix has taken me out of the pedal rat race, but I still enjoy them.
I love the Space Echo!
Its interesting to me all of these pedals have all of these crazy effects.. I often wonder who uses these in a live performance - or what the need for them is. I find that all that is typically used are a few "normal" delays and reverbs. For me the Line6 is a winner because of the price, the sound quality, and the MIDI functionality and being able to store a lot of presets. To be able to save presets for every track and use a switcher to control it is awesome. I know the Strymon and Boss can as well - but for $100-200 more.
Watching this ties me over until I receive my 202 on Monday. Great sounds here…
I really like the EHX oceans 11 reverb which I use alot like a delay amoung other things
Yeah, it’s cool and I like it too but that is what the big Space Echo (when it comes in) is going to replace on my board. And a Pink Panther delay too.
This is the delay release season I guess. I’m curious to see your take on the Habit. I know you liked the Mood quite a bit in the right circumstances and the Habit seems like a cross between the Mood but with a longer loop function and an experimental delay.
I wish I could afford BOSS pedals, but my $30 Behringer "Vintage Delay" works just fine for me.
@Ben Schwartz…. I have a Behringer TO800 sitting next to my vintage Ibanez TS808 Tube Screamer on my pedal board. There is no discernible difference between the two. Just because your pedal costs $30 does not mean it’s inferior. If it sounds good to you that’s all that matters.
I weight +300 lbs. For me, the behringer is out, just for the squish factor!
@@cchavez248 haha awesome! I’m gonna call their rep and ask them to make a titanium reinforced pedal for you… The Chavo Maximus!
@@alexander_winston Amen.
Awesome of you to compare all these. I have a Volante and I adore it. Love tape echoes so of course I’m looking at the re-202. one thing I wish it did was allow me to leave reverb on while turning delay on and off. Does the RE-202 do this?
Yes they showed that feature on The Andertons Music Co review of this pedal.
The 202 has a dedicated reverb footswitch - the middle one. If you have good spring reverb in your amp I'd go with that though. The reverb on these isn't great.
@@brettjames9088 Do you already own one? Or opinion based on youtube demos?
@@T-Hawkeyes demos and rumours. I ordered one about 3 weeks ago but they are still out of stock.
Cool episode and giveaway. I’m just getting into ambient guitar so The DL looks great to pair with my Analogman
Analogue delay. In case of a windfall, I’d definitely be trying the Volante.
IMHO the Catalinbread Belle Epoch Deluxe sounds better than what I'm hearing here....
That being said, this is another great video, Rhett!
LINE 6 for me you awesome axe slinger !
I want the boss. Its always tempting what boss pedal can give
I have an RE-201 in pretty great condition that I got shortly before this new round of Roland pedals came out. I got the RE-202 in the hopes that it would sound just as good so that I could sell the 201 and save some money. Trying them side by side, they are almost indistinguishable, except for a couple of key things:
First, to me, the saturation sounds quite different on the two units. Neither is better in my opinion, they're just different. And actually, the fact that you can dial in how much you want on the 202 probably makes it an overall advantage.
Second is that the self-oscillation on the RE-202 just....doesn't have the depth and clarity and overall magic that the RE-201 does. The 202's feedback kind of just distorts and converges around a specific tone more tightly, whereas the 201's feedback, while it can definitely produce distinguishable tones, seems to remain more spread out across the frequency spectrum, and all the imperfections of tape sort of get magnified as the layers of sound stack on top of themselves.
s someone who likes to crank the feedback up a lot, this was a dealbreaker for me. Still, I think they did a great job on the pedal. It looks great, feels really nice to use, and is about 100 times as convenient and more portable, and probably 10 times as reliable, while being about 1/5 the price.
As an all-rounder, the DL4 gets my vote. I get that the HX stuff has the same things but the interface on this is a lore more appealing to me.
Not really much of a deep dive delay fan. I typically just use enough to give lead lines a bit of a tail. I couldn't really justify the cost of something like these--Delay can almost be like playing another instrument.
Had a DL4 mkII that had glitches. The multi head repeats galloped away on every delay type. Plus the footswitches were loud and weak feeling.
nice comparison ..Thanx
Call me a boomer, but I loved my MXR Carbon Copy. I wanted something with a bit more options, so I sold my Carbon Copy and got the EHX Grand Canyon and now I feel like I have too many options. I also tried the DL4 MkII and the TC Flashback 2x4, and even tho they sound phenomenal, they have too many things that I'll never use.
Not a pedal person but I am enjoying listening to this
I use old DL4 mainly as a looper. No other loopers on the market have topped og DL4 in my opinion. TCElectronic, EHX, Akai, Boss, none of them have the same functionality as DL4 looper with the half speed/reverse and retriggering options. They come close, but its not the same. Other loopers can't do what the DL4 does. (Check out recent Dave Knudson vid on DL4 and you'll see what i mean.) Can't wait for the new one!
beware, if it's not too late, as far as I can tell, there's no way on the new DL4 to adjust the looper to defuse ( don't how else to put it) the way the old DL does, in other words, I LOVE that the older loops get replaced by the newer ones. I use that ALL the time. I don't like using static loops that just stack parts though it has its use. Other pedals allow you adjust this, like the E. Harmonix 22500 or the worthless piece of junk that was the Ditto 4x, which to its credit allowed a simple turn of a knob to adjust the corrosion level of a loop, brilliant. Too bad the pedal was junk and glitched and died soon after warranty ran out. anyways, the new DL4 looper won't diffuse and that maddens me that Line 6 doesn't mention this particular change in the literature, as if it's not important. Makes me crazy. Don't put out a pedal that claims to be the same ( but BETTER) pedal. Spent so much energy hyping all the new stuff that they forgot to mention they trashed a feature that I loved most. AND, I've yet to figure out how to access the reverbs on the new one. No manual, no intuitive solution, and a cryptic quasi-instruction on the little picture card. Maddening. Sounds great.
I have a Hall and Collins echo that does all those and more It does Meazzi Binson Klempt space echo modern digital, Vox long Tom
Great show Rhett, thanks.
Yep it's got to be the Volante, I dont want to sod around with midi nor do I need the looper but, oh well eh.
Am impressed with the Boss. It’s surprisingly musical for a Boss.
Interesting video.
With that comment are you implying most boss pedals arent musical? And if so, why do you say that?
@@strazburg
Over the years have owned a fair few Boss Pedals. And generally my opinion of most, is they are an Affect rather than an Effect. Sort of the best way to describe pedals and units from Boss/Roland. There has always been that certain something that is taken away from the quality of the instrument, that something that is lost. And what a great many Boss pedals tend to do to the guitar signal.
Dare say, that in this case because certainly with the 202 it is achieving the classic unit it harks after, they have been able to attain what initially brought many to consider Boss “the industry standard”.
As I say have owned a number of Boss pedals and units over the years. Each of which no longer own. Think there is only one pedal that sold that would have kept.
Ultimately though experience has also taught me that there is a reason certain classic bits of kit that enter musical mythology. And why certain items are so sort after.
What about the dunlop echoplex pedal? that would have been one to include
Funny that you mention the space echo preamp. I’ve been using an Emerald Prince by Henretta Engineering for a while now which is a pedal that simply emulates the space echo preamp. But now I’ve preordered the 202 so I won’t need the emerald Prince anymore it seems.
It emulates the EP-3 Echoplex preamp …
If Anheuser-Busch ever get their act together again they should get Rhett to do some Bud Light adverts for them. You know that would work. But only if there's no creepy guy on the beer can stuff again.
Rhett could do the whole advert on his own. Film it. Score it. Star in it. You know why that would work from watching his channel.
Maybe get the Strymon Deco in with the RE202 for that?
I was about to order Space Echo :)good video
Thank you Rhett Shull! I was wanting to see this very comparison! Also, wondered how well the sound of the UA Starlight compared as well?
Like the previous RE20 the new RE202 reverb is sub par and annoying mids digital artefacts. So, Volante for transparancy..
Great run-throughs. Thanks!
Love that drum beat intro track.
5:58 vs. 10:14
Just ordered the RE 202, I really want those Radiohead sounds. If anyone wants to know my review feel free to comment, comes Wednesday.
Why should I buy the DL-4 MK2, when I can buy the HX Effects? It has all sounds of the DL-4 MK2 and hundreds of other effects, with more parameters and the option to arrange them in series or parallel, including two effects loops.
Boss all the way. The 202 actually has 5 different reverbs (spring, plate, room, etc.). You have to hold Tap when you plug it and select the reverb you want from the presets.
I had the original Line6 delay but used it as a trade in on a new amp at guitar center. I regret it now and at the time I knew I shouldn’t have because they gave me $250 credit toward the amp. I might go get the Mkll now.
I'm surprised they gave you more than $100 credit. The new DL4's looper does not degrade like the old one. Had I known that I would have gotten the Volante. I used that degradation like a mofo.
@@kennywowie it was about 10 years ago. Now definitely not.
The answer is no. I just saved you 55 min of your precious life.
Volante is still king 👑
I saw Josh using the DL4 MkII on the JHS show and thought it was a vintage unit! I guess I didn't look very closely. I'd have the RE-202 if I was going for one of these - I don't see a reason to go for the RE-2 - less is less. But, in the end, I'm not going to buy any of these, and that makes me sad.
Reminds me why I sold my kemper, makes everything sound weak
It sucks that the new LINE 6 DL4 doesn’t have battery options any more
The HX Effects is massive, wouldn’t fit on my board, & a nonstarter.
Tried the HX Stomp & found it to be one of the least intuitive & user friendly devices I’ve used. I don’t care about 99% of what’s in it & have no intention of working that hard to access the things I do.
The DL4 MKII is considerably cheaper & has everything I need at my fingertips, including the looper I love. No extra switches, midi, or an even more expensive XL model required, to do the things I want to do.
The 202 does variations of 1 thing. The DL4 MKII is considerably more versatile. I’m not buying a 202 just because it looks cool.
It’s an easy decision for me, but to each their own.
OMG I totally agree on the Stomp. I would just look at it and think “I have no idea where that setting is” after weeks of tweaking LOL. Ya gone!
@El Rizzle my 202 is in on order. May be one sound, but it’s an awesome one!
Rhett, like me guess, you are Not regretting getting the SG!
When you were talking about the Serus J and taking care of guitars.....how's that humidifier working out? I've developed a serious filtered water routine......although the one you have (which I also own) goes through way less water than my other one......Also, medium skill-level and enjoying learning the songs you mentioned a few vidoes ago (with the message in a bottle recommendation and the others)
Would a Strymon Zuma power the DL4 M2. Need an answer please 👍🏻🌞❤️⭐️
Which one is your favorite?
If Boss had included emulations and features from the 301 and 501/555, then it’d be a no brainer. So the Volante makes more sense with the extra features unless you specifically require the sound of a 201.
I don’t think Line6 updated the original emulations in anyway, some colour the dry signal so disappointed to not see that updated.
So no, not the best modern delays, just welcome updates for people into the OG DL4 and RE20, but nothing to convince detractors otherwise.
I don’t get to play enough! These toys would be REALLY fun, but I don’t even get play with the ones I have. Any one of the three big ones would be great. Stand outs are the Volante, and 202.
seems like the space echo has a bit more low end thump than that volante, which is a bit more hifi. How does this translate in a mix? I'm considering trading in the volante for the space echo. I noticed the boss has true stereo as well, whereas the Strymon stuff generally has emulated stereo in the wet signal. But, the Strymon has a true bypass option, and I've been burned before with boss buffered bypass, which isn't switchable to true bypass. End of the day, you gotta go with what sounds better and is more inspiring, which is why I'm contemplating the boss.
You ever use Alesis quadraverbs connected to those?
What about universal audio’s delay pedal?
Not a whinge at all but I’d like to enter the giveaway…can’t see how to do so on my iPad. Is there a link I can’t see?
Do you run delay in front of the amp to get that big sound?
He said at the start they're in the fx loop of the Kemper
Don't like line 6 stuff so I will pick Boss :)
Is there any volume loss on the dl4 mk like the original. Thanks
I would buy the Boss over the Line6 simply because I know the Boss will be reliable on tour. Ive had countless Line6 devices shit the bed on tour over the years. I wont buy another Line 6 product. Boss on the other hand Ive owned a ton of and still do and Ive never had an issue. Some of my Boss pedals ive owned for over 20 years.
wich one is better for frippertronics?
the volante is hard to beat...
Hype
Good video except for the beginning, ridiculously long ad filled.
I wouldn't get it lol
people buy it just for the nostalgia
It's still digital after all
so I will stick with multi effect pedals....
to have other type of delays
The Line 6 sounds meh compared to the Strymon and Boss delays. To my ears anyway.
use the damn processor
🙂
what kinda GOOBER has his dl4 in mono
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The strymon timeline and volante obliterate both of these pedals
Im sorry, but the Volante just murdered all of these new units on tone. Like not even close for my ears.