I think the primary reason was to reduce the grind with the unlocking perks on everyone but they could've just tied that to the original P1-P3 Also we got perk charms I guess
@@Pokedude1110 before i had to spend at least 250k to get all 3 perks on Tier 3 for 1 character, now I spend 3.3 M to get them on all characters at Tier 3. So actually saved ~7.5 M BP with the last patch only for 1 side. If u play and unlock all perks on less than 3 characters, than you are correct. If not, then you are wrong. Edit: I didnt even calculated in there, that u earn now more bp AND u even get the newest character, ready to play aswell on top of that nowadays. So bascially, you always save a lot of BP with the rework.
@@MrOnePieceRuffy What I'm saying is that the prestige system could've been changed so that you 1. Don't lose anything when prestiging, and 2. Each prestige grants perks like it does now. BHVR fixed the original system's flaws, but it now takes 2-3x longer comparatively to get prestige cosmetics and perks, depending on what you're talking about. However, it's definitely better compared to release, and the auto bloodweb definitely helps. However the flaws of the newer system are very much there, and if the newer system wasn't designed to make people put more hours into the game, they would've instead made tweaks to the original system, rather than completely reworking it from the ground up
As someone who doesnt suffer from FOMO, It pisses me off that they dont give p100 cosmetics for FOMO reasons bc i have 2 p100 characters, and I want something for it other than a number next to my name. I havent bought a single cosmetic in 2 years bc i have what I want. But I feel as though those who have p100 characters have earned some sort of way to show it off IN GAME and not only in the lobby.
@@10cody7 Minimal effort? i mean you are dumb if you only lvl 1 charachter to 100 without lvling others for perks so you are still going to put in quite some time in this game to reach it with having different builds and alot of tomes can be done pretty fast compared to p100
@@10cody7continuing to play one game, one character, and actually getting a good amount of blood points each match is not easy. You’re actually brain dead and probably don’t have anyone over P20 to understand the grind
totally agree. i think its very saddening to see the developers not caring about their community at all. they dont care about putting in the work to make dbd a great game, they just keep putting in very little improvements after long periods of time, just enough that we keep playing but not so much it becomes a hassle to do. many of my friends have quit dbd by now and i myself am reaching the limit of what i can tolerate. in the end people care about what they love and its clear that the devs love money more than their own game...
Sorry if someone mentioned something about this already but what I find funny is that they already have kinda done something like this in the past with Bubba’s masks-before they were taken away, of course. I don’t see why they couldn’t do something like that again
Something just occurred to me while watching this. Behavior is a game development company. They probably care more about their engineers than anyone else. Putting a focus on cosmetics would put a focus on artist jobs. Maybe it’s not the sweats that they don’t care about, but the artists that work for them.
Everyone's complaining about something pushed by one side of the company (business side) versus the teams that are passionate about the game (dev and community teams). Ya'll up in arms about FOMO at the wrong people. Bet these impromptu QnA's are gonna be done for a bit due to people latching so hard onto this.
@@ynglinknot like it matters, they never give any useful information. Besides the garden of joy rework at least, it’s always “soon! But we can’t give a date!” Meaning it’ll be at least another 6 months
@@braydunce Sure - but the community tends to over react with the responses they see. Most likely because a lot of things they can't say. It just really shows how little people have worked in actual customer service or community work roles. Note: I'm referring more to email and phone based customer service when working with internal teams. Not retail style customer service
With all thoes metal bands collections coming, recent collab with that japanese dev for ghostwire tokyo, and even stuff, i'd say they're treating them pretty damn well, in aniversary quotes some artist even said they're thankful for always having something to design and draw for the characters.
Honestly, I've never really had that much of an issue with FOMO, people freaked out over it, and sure, it can be kinda scummy in some circumstances, but overall, I considered the rage to be overblown. I still hold this view. However, seeing BHVR's blatant hypocrisy is definitely something which pisses me off. Clearly they engage in FOMO practices, I think they should embrace it because it isn't all that bad, but instead they lie and try to act like they're opposed to FOMO practices all for Twitter brownie points. Sad.
So I understand not getting fomo and not succumbing to it making it seem like an easy thing to overcome, however fomo isn't directed at the people it won't work on. Fomo is very very harmful to the nerodivergent community especially people with adhd like myself and it causes us to impulse purchase even more than we otherwise would which is what's so harmful about it. To give an example of what this is like Imagine if for people who were wheelchair bound they had the option of taking a very steep and very long ramp to get to the store or they could pay 5 dollars to take the nice short and shallow ramp to the store. That would be very cruel and I'm assuming you would try to help to change that because it's directly targeting and abusing the disability of someone to make a profit. That's what these manipulation tactics in games are like for mentally disabled people like myself.
Even as a P100 Bill main I can accept the answer of "We wont do this because already licensed characters wouldn't have access to such rewards." Which is a FAIR reason/Answer if it's something cosmetic but in general? There really SHOULD be P100 rewards regardless of availability. Instead they just went the broadstroke answer which was the wrong answer XD
I still remember the first time I played DBD back in 2017. I saw a bloody cosmetic ( P3 ), and my first thought was, "This survivor is a veteran! This is going to be an interesting match." It wasn't easy to grind BP during those times, so I knew I had to play my best every time I saw a survivor or killer with a bloody cosmetic. That feeling isn't there anymore nowadays, and it's sad.
To be that one guy, the deep rift is 99% of the time pretty lame BUT the artist cosmetics in the pass right now are amazing and I think they look even better in the rift. With that said, I got about halfway through the pass but then mortal kombat 1 came out. Spawn got put in cod and it’s an amazing adaptation of spawn and his world! Mortal kombat is my favorite game franchise of all time, grinding for spawn in the battlepass is pretty fun for me as well. Dbd is the last thing I wanna play right now but it’s pushing me to play it because of the rift. I think we can all admit that dbd is not the type of game you should force yourself to play.
It’s also crazy that they used FOMO to justify not giving special cosmetics to P100 survivors, but currently got timed SAW cosmetics in the store right now.
I feel like a way they could reward with minimal effort would be taking the anniversary crowns but recoloring them red since it's just the same for all characters.
Another bad behavior take: So my entire time playing dbd (still a new player, bought it i think about a year ago and have played very casually) For some reason i had a ton of killers and survivors unlocked. I had them all this time so...i played what i had. Most of my investment went into characters like Feng, Laurie. Pig, and Doctor. They are where my strongest perks add ons and stuff are. I used them to grind for characters that have less stuff. And cuz i liked their playstyles. ...apparently, a month ago after the alien chapter i lost ALL but the base killers and survivors. When i sent in a support ticket, after a month or so of slow responses i essentially got 'steam changed their policy. You had them from library sharing (i dont even share with anyone who plays dbd though...?) So now they are gone. The killers and survivors you jnvested in will still have that investment when you buy them again but we cant reinstate them. Take 150k bps thoufh as compensation for the slow responses' ...150k blood points doesnt help me with the 35 hour grind for iridescent shards per character to get thr ones i invested into back. Hell, it barely does what, 1/4 of a single bloodweb? Just a 'sucks to suck'. Im severely considering refunding thr game cuz of this cuz thats a lot of time just.. wasted that i wont get back.
They should add low effort cosmetics to the Tomes (like with the current event) instead of just the Rifts, so players will go back and complete them, thus creating retention. They could easily do this with the recolors in the store, since they cost so few cells and shards.
I definitely agree with the fomo argument being bs, but I do think it could be a problem to give p100 skins to dlc chars bc licenses n stuff. And only giving them to non dlc would feel pretty shitty to anyone who dedicated that much time to a dlc char
What annoys me is that we had 1 thing that incentivized playing something for a while for cosmetics. Bubba’s masks. And now it’s gone. They’ve shown that they can give us extra things to grind for. So they should do it. But you are right, they won’t because money
Yeah they removed a feature that was pretty cool, people spent hours if not days grinding away to unlock them. Then a small percentage of the player base were targeting/trolling black streamers while wearing the Claudette mask. Basically everyone was punished because of a few idiots, and it’s not like removing these masks stopped these people from trolling.
I also remember one idiot on twitter commented that the Claudette mask was literal blackface and I just facepalmed so hard. Leatherface don’t give fuck about race, he just wanna murder yo ass and steal your face, if anything him refusing to wear black people’s faces would be racist.
As much as I love skins, my hot take is having a Survivor or Killers perks work better for them than on others. Maybe there's some kind of scale down when you're not that character or for making prestige matter, in small increments, their perks get better. That'd make prestige AND character used matter more. Latter is more so for survivors since they are currently blank slates outside of skins worn.
Reiterating again from both Scott's and King's videos where I left this comment. With the plan of releasing Profile/Player cards, these prestige brags honestly are better suited for that over a skin. Imagine you're a going against a crazy good Huntress and see that they're also a Yun-Jin P100 on top of that. It gives you an overall profile brag that people can see.
It's kind of baffling that they would say they don't want to lock cosmetics behind an "insane amount of progress" when it takes about 80 hours of gameplay to unlock literally any of the 'Very Rare' outfits in the game using iridescent shards
Prestige is something that most likely won't associate with fomo anytime soon, considering it's one of the easiest ways of progressing in the game and they don't reset
I don’t really want the mori system they suggested I want to be able to mori using certain perks and offerings not kill one survivor at the end of a match. Now if they made it to where we could change mori animations that would be a good mori system
What be sick if they added a cosmetic skin set for P100 that made the character have runes all over them with glowing eyes & a halo or something like that lol showing they are some what powerful like they reached the top & became one of the entity's favorites.
The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking prestige 100 on different characters. As for rewards, we selected no rewards whatsoever based upon how badly the community wants them and other adjustments made to milestone rewards. Among other things, we're looking at average per-player prestige level-up rates on a daily basis, and we'll be making constant adjustments to ensure that prestiging a character leaves players with no satisfaction or compelling reasons to prestige. -BH(EA)VR
Reminds me of the old RuneScape days where you would see people decked out in dragon armor, and you would think that's so cool, i need to grind to get that, and now modern RuneScape is just paid cosmetics and its just like whatever because nothing was earned. Would be awesome if they rewarded dedication like they used to in gaming.
They gave away exclusive skins for the people who prestige their characters before the blood web rework. The legacy skins those are PC only skins for people who have been playing since day 1
The FOMO stuff is one thing but what pisses me off is that they think it is not neccesary to reward Players reaching P100 putting thousands of hours into the Game and keeping it alive. BHVR forgets that these Players are the Backbone of the Game without them they just have the Casuals that maybe come back if a new Killer/Survivor comes out test it and then dont touch the game until the next Patch/Release.
problem with them doing the QNA this way, im blocked by king on literally every platform for no reason, so was unable to really see it happening myself, so doing it through content creators is risky
Can someone help me i have a problem in loading screen somthing named"license caches" is taiking forever to load if someone know how can i fix it pls tell me
I Like the way deep rock galactic does their “battle pass”. Anything you miss out on gets added to the games loot pool and there is no paid “battle pass” it’s all free. I seriously love the devs behind that game.
Battle passes are why I don't play games as much as I did... I was huge into For Honor and I played other games, too, just because I was already there for For Honor so why now just play something else? But then... There was a really cool weapon set in the battle pass (and this was within 2 or 4 of the first times they tried). It was every night... For MONTHS (maybe 2 months, I don't remember, but I am certain it was more than 1) to grind to the end of that thing, every free moment I wasn't in school or sleeping I was on For Honor... And I just haven't been able to enjoy multiplayer games the same since. Cured me of the incessant completionism, though. Which might sound dramatic... But I swear it changed me.
Aren’t they already monetizing mori animations as a test run with the trapper naughty bear skin? I thought I heard that was gonna have a different mori along side the fact it’s a legendary skin.
FOMO is probably the biggest thing to ruin games for me, I played genshin for roughly a year and had to quit a few months ago due to how stressful it is. Despite the genuine fun game that it has the potential to be everything is bogged down by the constant stress of time limited events that push you to force yourself through the main story whether you want to or not in order to "keep up" with everything. I hate that so many games have become more about "being there when it happened" rather than being able to pick it up even years later and experience it the same as anyone else.
I know that I'm late to this video or not sure if the opinion has changed. I do agree with the idea that not having any progression rewards harms the community and different kinds of player who play consistently or not. Just having awards promote playing the game for something that can be used in game to show off or just to collect. An example of another game having this issue is Payday 2. The difference between console and PC are the progression system in the prestige system. The PC had something to show and had many rewards to continue to grind for more, while the console did not have any of it or maybe some features.
they don't want people to feel left out if they don't p100. but they seem perfectly fine with giving feng 5 time limited cosmetics every patch. bhvr just be honest that you have no monetary incentive to do so. it would sound less out of touch.
Honestly, I'm not expecting much from devs that recently lack so much in terms of transparency between them and playerbase. Like literally, they're not even acknowleging that stuff is bugged which makes people wonder if that's a bug or not mentioned change (like Sloppy slowing down healing downed survivor or Jolt causing survivors to scream) - same stuff was with hooks, when they silently changed it so hook screams and effects would happen when survivor just touches the hook, not like it was previously. About that whole fomo, they literally didn't care to announce that AoT collab is temporary untill it was time for it to go, which is just so mean spirited, meaning to force you into buying it in bulk. And that's not the only thing - they started using AI to generate cosmetic descriptions (apparently they admitted to it after people started drilling them about it). And I bet it's not the only thing that they use AI to generate. Considering how messy and convoluted previous tome was, I wont be surprised if it would turn out they started AI generating all their lore. Not to mention that their support is also heavily (if not fully) AI serviced (literally when talking to support they can ask for things they already asked for or they were given the info already, which makes contacting support just a frustrating experience). And all that not mentioning that they started to force you to buy a skin if you want to buy DLC, to give it fake inflation of price. Like, I get it, they wanted to sell DLCs for higher price (why I have no idea, since it seems they might have reduced their staff considering how much they just left for AI to handle), but they could communicate that, not hide it behind "oh yeah, we're so nice, now if you buy DLC you'll also get a skin" despite that THEY ALREADY WERE GIVING COSMETICS WITH DLC PURCHASES, SOMETIMES EVEN THE WHOLE SETS. Like, their behavior recently really feels like some chinese trashy mobile game company, rather than a game you have to buy and then buy DLC for. Literally, all they do recently feels fake.
You say its a change in philosophy, it is not. It is making that philosophy that has always been there more transparent. The legendary quote 'If you don't like it play something else' still holds true. This is what they really think even now. The way they do everything is indicative of this. They do the bare minimum to keep enough interest and keep the money rolling in for the least amount of effort. That's all they care about 100%. Not even making a quality product that would make better returns on investment. Further they know they can get away with it because of a lack of competition. TCM while not really competition as its drastically different still tried to take from DBD's audience but even they do not look good right now with their pricing and certain... mindsets about how the game is vs. how it's played. It's painfully obvious they don't play their own game or if they do it's not at a competent level and they don't interact with people who know better. Like many game designers before them I honestly believe BHVR sees this game as an art project with certain design flaws as part of it and thus must never be touched or if they are not in a meaningful way. I of course refer to such things as Nurse, tunnelling, camping, slugging and excessive killer bullying. Players especially in solo spend way too much time uninvested or left to sit and boil in frustration because they spend large amounts of time unable to do anything. I agree on the camping thing too, this 'fix' will do diddly squat. There's still ways to camp and it'll punish other things that aren't intended to be punished. Teleporting hooks would solve a lot of problems and has been suggested a lot of times. It'd require work to figure out the kinks and killer obviously would need buffs but it'd 100% stop camping and significantly hinder tunnelling. They don't do it though. Why? Because it's an art project and such things are part of the 'aesthetic' that must never be touched. Granted the tribal community doesn't help which is really 90% of people who give feedback are wildly biased and give feedback that is utterly useless (how many times I get accused of being a survivor main despite being a killer player with empathy for the other side is ridiculous) but you can still figure this out if you have a good head on your shoulders if you think of things from both angles. All of these things are effort though and won't make them as much money as FOMO nonsense and giving Feng 100s of cosmetics.
If there is gonna be an FoV slider, are they going to rework Shadowborn? Sounds like it would have to be since a slider would just make the perk useless instead of a niche, fun perk. Now I'm not saying to not do a slider, but they they would need to change Shadowborn so it does see gameplay.
There’s no point to getting to P100 then. The least they could do is do checkpoints rewards for every 1/10, 1/5, or 1/4 portion reached. Like you get something cool at P25, P50, P75, and P100
100% agree, Das! The dev's need to do something to keep things fun for long-term players. It is actually INSULTING that rewards for consistently playing (for YEARS) are minimal. They could start with easy, low-effort things too while they gradually implement cool skins...like allowing the Bloodpoint cap to increase by 100,000 for every Devotion level. Or making the XP Boost a regular thing for consecutive matches (you are in longer than 5 minutes/ without DC'ing) There are other more complex ideas that I have, as I'm sure the rest of the community has too... & they can SAVE money on their creative team by just asking the DBD community! Why would you not want your player base to be happy and offer new things so that gameplay isn't so stale all the damn time? Not to sound like a Karen, but is there no such thing as customer service/satisfaction anymore? In dehumanizing players, the Dev's are just dehumanized, money-hungry monsters.
P100 on any character shows a pretty good level of dedication to that character. If somebody hits it, they should have all that character’s cosmetics available for purchase in the shop. Doesn’t take away from ppl who won’t hit p100 bc they can still buy the cosmetics when they’re available seasonally or whatever, but the p100 level means you can buy old cosmetics, seasonal, whatever as long as it isn’t affected by licenses. That’s how they could monetize it. Missed a skin in the deep rift? Hit p100 and you can get it again.
currently 39 survivors and 33 killers in dbd. BVHR isn't putting rewards for hitting certain prestige because that's just wayyyyy too much for them to do. I do agree that we should be getting something, but it'll take a while for these devs to actually make something so that each survivor and killer has something cool for hitting these milestones.
I agree the statement bhvr said about the p100 situation was very lack lusting and just choosing the simple so they don't have to work on more things is a bit lazy personally. It already takes a good 50+ hours of grinding bps to get to p100 on one character and not getting a special reward when hitting p100 doesn't feel rewarding personally. Hopefully they'll listen to the feedback and possibly add exclusive p100 rewards. Also, when you said about the fay frogs joke, it reminded me of a streamer i mod for whilst he has the sound alert of the frogs and i usually use the command to jumpscare him 😂
What I think they should do is make charms. 25, 50, 75, 100 with the numbers. Easy, simple. It would give us that reward, without being something major that would make those that don't get to 100 feel like they are missing out. Also, how dare you call me out like that... I haven't been playing as much as I used to this Rift due to other RL stuff getting in the way, so I ended up just buying the last 12 levels of the Rift. Not because I didn't think I could finish it in time, but because I wanted to play for fun, not be forced to play. I don't regret it or anything at all, but as I usually have the RIft done before even the fourth page unlocks, being that close the end really stressed me out.
I think besides the unable to monetize from this. It would be really difficult I'd imagine to get a reward for every character. If even one license holder says "No you can't make that for Myers or Freddy or Definitely not Demo". I guess the people who P100ed a license like that are just shit out luck? L bozo pick an original character next time? I feel it would kind of be unfair to those people.
Personnaly i think there were other ways to interpret the answer but , Honestly did it really reveal anything new ? From my POV, NO, not at all, we already knew they cared like this DEVS>MONEY>GAME BALANCE>GAME HEALTH>COMMUNITY And ive been folowing behaviour since 2017 so yeah sorry to say that that way but "It honestly had to be expected" ... Still just enjoy the game for yourself, if you have the FOMO, then you really should reconsider your priorities.(ITS FRUSTATING FOR ME TOO BTW)
Lets not forget that they also turned seasonal cosmetics that were in the shops for years into limited time cosmetics too. Literally proving its not something they need to do, just something they want
Calling out means nothing if people still buy the shit though, BHVR know they have a large base of heavily invested whales that will buy the new feng skin.
@@MadmanImpersonator i agree, I've stopped playing and buying shit. But the more people point this out, the better chances people don't buy shit from BHVR. Its like that one tweet "nice opinion, did a youtuber give it to you?" And in this case we can use that to our advantage
BHVR saying they dont want people to miss out on something actually obtainable is like the wildest April Fools joke except its September. It doesn't make them money so they dont wana take the time to make something that rewards players. Just say that instead of the corporate hypocrisy they gave us 😂 love the game but for a company that kind of listens to their fan base this is just such a slap in the face. Give us something worth grinding for besides bloodpoints dammit
Live service was the worst thing to happen to video games, worse than loot boxes, worse than day one dlc, even worse than multiple preorder exclusives based on which store has what.
I agree with this video 99.9%. The other 0.1% is where you said "grind it like a second job" regarding the rift. I'm SUPER casual, like play a few hours a week, not a day, a week. And I finished the deep rift quite a while ago. If you use daily XP bonuses and Tome challenges it's really not hard to complete with a casual amount of play. I'm totally picking the nits of a split hair, but I loved the rest so much I had to say it.
I agree with this. I only play a few matches a day and I finish the rift a while ago too.. I think we get enough time to finish the rift even for casuals.
Agreed. I haven't played in 3 weeks and had already finished the Deep Rift a month ago. I believe the third page of the challenges wasn't even out yet at that time.
It's true if you are actively playing the game. I remember when I was I had no problem completing the rifts. Now though? It's hard and I have to focus to do it. Thankfully this time I wasn't interested in much in this rift but last one I really wanted all of Renato's stuff so I remember.
Not sure if you’ve heard of it, but deep rock galactic does things like this very well. It’s a 10$ game, there’s game dlcs you can buy for extra skins and stuff, but they make all event skins earn able, all battlepass skins earn able without paying a dime, I did the entire event pass for this summer and the entire battle pass for entirely free. I’m not saying dbd has to go that in depth to it, but drg at least gives us stuff for levelling up and putting time into the characters we like. We get new cosmetics every time we “prestige” our characters. It gives us SOMETHING. Games like that is the reason I don’t understand most companies, it’s honestly down to lining their own pockets. Just greed. I understand that drg probably has a small dev team and don’t need much money to keep paying their employees, but I feel like dbd is just going over the top with it and not giving us anything, I guess what you said, “crumbs”.
Seriously, they were on the right track with the Bubba masks a while back, (I understand WHY they were taken away but they could've done something different with Bubba) The more time you put into a killer the more stuff you should be able to unlock FOR that killer and you shouldn't have to go out of your way to go buy it from the shop. It is so infuriating that if I want some sort of outfit or to look cool as killer I have to use real money or spend HOURS grinding iri shards just to buy ONE outfit. Behaviour really needs to step up their game, no pun intended, otherwise I fear TCM and other games might rise over it.
the only time they actually put in a p100 reward was with the naughty bear skin wich YOU NEED TO BUY AND WEAR FOR THIS, and its literally just "i'm so proud of you naughty bear" being said. lame as hell. p9 is literally the furthest i'd be willing to go for a character, and even then i dont cause i dont feel like spending that much time on dbd. maybe when chucky comes out and i have fun with a really unique character that actually shakes up the gameplay for both sides significantly, even if its just because of size. but other than that or getting bloody cosmetics on my fav killers, i just dont feel like it. bloodpoints are an annoying grind that literally do nothing for you but give you cheat code items that let you mess with the game balance. every time i play dbd i spend most of my bloodpoints on killers just go get them to prestige 1 and get their perks for every character. its gonna be a fucking pain when you need to p3 every single killer to get all the perks instantly, and even then the general perks arent on that list. its very annoying. and then the survivors just being glorified skins, the only survivor i care about rn is nicholas cage and thats cause he has voice lines and a personality, and you have fun when using him. dbd needs more character, less grind. its just endless grind. sisyphus wouldnt be that difficult to add as a survivor or killer because he already is in an endless grind.
idk why you always say that. youre not a loser for getting upset for something you care about like tf we spend hours on this i think its fine to get upset about it
Garden of joy is not surrivor sided anymore they literally changed everything the dark rooms gone that one op vault window gone The car loop nerfed they made the fences too small it use to be longer still ok I guess but you can just get bloodlusted and vaulting window is bad Only good thing about that map now is that one god window and the God pallet besides that there's weak pallets and some good ones near jungles gyms
If their was more earned items I would be playing a lot more I really only play during events and tome release once those are complete I walk away until the next tome or event .
Its a bad disengenious answer but I also really don't care. I view the p100 bonus as having constant lvl 50 blood webs, but I also have never spent a time on cosmetics as I really just don't care. The characters could be floating squares for all i care as long as the game is fun. I get that other people care though and it does seem like such a low bar for BHVR to reach. My guess is they didn't think people cared or wanted it that much so after this backlash I wouldn't be surprised if they slapped some shitty parts of skins on the prestige track. Though knowing them they'll take that feedback as people want the bloody cosmetics spread out across 100 levels.
I disagree with this take ngl, not every player can pour all of their time into getting P100. Some people have other things to do, and if they feel like they are missing out on something super cool that they can get for free, they will be upset that they don't have the time to grid for it. I also don't think that The Rift is very comparable to getting P100. The Rift is a grind, sure, but You progress through the rift by playing the game and doing challenges, not sitting in the lobby spamming the Auto Bloodweb for the next 20 years. You can get the Rift Cosmetics later in the shop for shards, and the Deep Rift cosmetics are just recolors of those skins (and most of them suck tbh). There is also the fact that idk if they can even add P100 rewards for licensed characters. Especially the Stranger Things characters. They may be able to add some stupid charm as the reward, but that is nowhere near worth the tedious grind of getting P100. I am also confused about your point that BHVR is contributing to the shitty monetization tactics. Of course they are, they are a company, they are in it for the money and they aren't our friends. Overall I really think adding a P100 reward would be more harmful than good for the game, either making players who don't have the rewards frustrated with the grind needed to get a cool skin for their favorite character or making the ones who do have them unsatisfied with how lame the reward is.
Honestly the whole argument that P100 stuff is FUMO is pretty dumb. Fumo (fear of missing out) is done by having something that forces people to grab now or never obtain it again. P100 is just a grind that can take you a minimum time or longer. I won’t argue it will be tedious but I will argue it’s not FUMO at ALL. On top of that, usually the idea of a prestige is to get good at ONE thing and show you have mastered it just like Das Food’s examples of COD weapon camo where you could get diamond camos and what not but you had to GRIND the fuck out of that ONE GUN and if you got it for that gun then it shows you mastered that weapon and play style or otherwise you took all your time to master it. That is supposed to be the point of prestiging anyway. Mastering that specific thing and then getting “medals” to show off your progress. Hell even a silly board game with anime like characters has a prestige system where by playing a specific character for 50 games earns you a pin for them…and games are not quick and there’s over 50 or more characters in the game so they don’t expect people to get all the pins either.
It’s weird cuz when I was a teenager I had FOMO, as an adult? Dude if I miss it bummer but I’m so over caring for crap like that. I just find it dumb that now if I do want something like that it’s either I pay to skip the grind or I have to grind for 50 hours in a week, like seriously? Why have we strayed from games being about fun, and went into games being a second job? It’s Wack. Now I have to worry about leveling up some killer I don’t even like so I can get the perks because if I DONT use them I’m gonna lose to some SWF who has the new busted perks on their side. I really don’t get it anymore.
it sucks how you can main your fav character and have nothing to show for it other than pointless p100 that will only higher ur chances of gettin tunneled
They monetize Moris I’m not okay with that we should earn them not pay for them 5 dollars is nuts for what just amounts to ending someone this way 1% of the time considering how sparse getting a mori actually is
I dont agree at all with the concept that them saying they dont want to make prestige 100 a fomo thing is inherently a lie. Buying cosmetics is completely different than sinking countless hours into the game. This is a retention thing. Just think about it conceptually, new player joins, 2 weeks in they realize at p100 they get some great reward. 1 of 2 things will happen - 1 they will rush to P100 to get some reward (have fun spending 500+ hours to get there) and missing out on other more important things, like unlocking perks and new characters, or 2 they will get discouraged, because they dont want to spend 500 hours leveling up for a cosmetic (or whatever it is.) It changes how people approach the game, and could hinder many players from seeking out other fun aspects of the game. That is completely different than fomo behind a pay for cosmetics feature that ultimately drives their income up and allows us to continue to have updates and new things to look forward in the game. People want to hit P100 for the prestige you get from simply having the title P100. It's plenty incentivized as it is, and while some might not like the response, it doesn't give me this "Why am i supporting THESE people" perspective, as if its actually somehow even important. I think that's just the growing sense of entitlement gamers, and humans are seeing. Edit: I get the frustration about monetization, but you have to realize that these companies have to do SOMETHING to sustain revenue. This is not a new concept. Just look at the lightbulb - planned obsolescence or these companies would have died, and you wouldnt have lightbulbs anymore. Same for gaming. This is *entertainment* and the continued production and development has to be funded, so unless you want ads in gaming, like youtube and other entertainment outlets have done, realizing this and supporting it is really only helping yourself and the community continue to enjoy what this company is investing in so heavily.
They weren't prepared for how big this game would be. Got the time to prepare and still didn't... They do not listen players suggestions when it comes to balancing perks or killers, reworks et cetera. They do not understand how their game works in majority of cases. They only rely on killers and perks usage which do not represent the reality of what is annoying in this game.
On top of that even when the stats correctly assess that something is terrible they often do the wrong thing because they fail to understand why it's terrible. The Furtive Chase change is case and point of this. The one thing the perk is good for is obsession changing and things like make your choice with Nemesis but none of that part got buffed. Instead the most useless part of it got an extremely irrelevant buff.
I believe they can monitize reworks. I would be willing to bet that any licensed killer would sell better, like Freddy for example. If they made him stronger I guarantee more people would go for him to play rather than the more powerful ones. We don't have numbers, but I bet Sadako sold way more after her recent update.
They can’t comment on things because they arnt actually doing anything. There’s bigger games with smaller dev teams that get more accomplished per patch than these loosers. I bet that office is ran like Twitter pre Elon .
makes you ask what was the point of the prestige rework then.
I think the primary reason was to reduce the grind with the unlocking perks on everyone but they could've just tied that to the original P1-P3
Also we got perk charms I guess
So people have to work harder to get the same rewards as before.
The longer you grind, the more you're playing the game
@@Pokedude1110 before i had to spend at least 250k to get all 3 perks on Tier 3 for 1 character, now I spend 3.3 M to get them on all characters at Tier 3. So actually saved ~7.5 M BP with the last patch only for 1 side. If u play and unlock all perks on less than 3 characters, than you are correct. If not, then you are wrong.
Edit: I didnt even calculated in there, that u earn now more bp AND u even get the newest character, ready to play aswell on top of that nowadays. So bascially, you always save a lot of BP with the rework.
@@Pokedude1110 bro is saying that as if bp cost wasnt reduced and prestiging didnt take away all your stuff 💀
@@MrOnePieceRuffy What I'm saying is that the prestige system could've been changed so that you 1. Don't lose anything when prestiging, and 2. Each prestige grants perks like it does now. BHVR fixed the original system's flaws, but it now takes 2-3x longer comparatively to get prestige cosmetics and perks, depending on what you're talking about.
However, it's definitely better compared to release, and the auto bloodweb definitely helps. However the flaws of the newer system are very much there, and if the newer system wasn't designed to make people put more hours into the game, they would've instead made tweaks to the original system, rather than completely reworking it from the ground up
As someone who doesnt suffer from FOMO, It pisses me off that they dont give p100 cosmetics for FOMO reasons bc i have 2 p100 characters, and I want something for it other than a number next to my name. I havent bought a single cosmetic in 2 years bc i have what I want. But I feel as though those who have p100 characters have earned some sort of way to show it off IN GAME and not only in the lobby.
@@10cody7 Minimal effort? i mean you are dumb if you only lvl 1 charachter to 100 without lvling others for perks so you are still going to put in quite some time in this game to reach it with having different builds and alot of tomes can be done pretty fast compared to p100
@@10cody7Levelling up 5000 times isn’t an easy feat.
@@10cody7continuing to play one game, one character, and actually getting a good amount of blood points each match is not easy. You’re actually brain dead and probably don’t have anyone over P20 to understand the grind
@@10cody7 completing tomes are WAY easier than getting a character to p100.
hi stranger
totally agree. i think its very saddening to see the developers not caring about their community at all. they dont care about putting in the work to make dbd a great game, they just keep putting in very little improvements after long periods of time, just enough that we keep playing but not so much it becomes a hassle to do. many of my friends have quit dbd by now and i myself am reaching the limit of what i can tolerate. in the end people care about what they love and its clear that the devs love money more than their own game...
I just don't have friends
Yeah man... it's almost like this is a job and business. They don't play 15 hours a day like you would like them to.
Sorry if someone mentioned something about this already but what I find funny is that they already have kinda done something like this in the past with Bubba’s masks-before they were taken away, of course.
I don’t see why they couldn’t do something like that again
Something just occurred to me while watching this. Behavior is a game development company. They probably care more about their engineers than anyone else. Putting a focus on cosmetics would put a focus on artist jobs. Maybe it’s not the sweats that they don’t care about, but the artists that work for them.
Everyone's complaining about something pushed by one side of the company (business side) versus the teams that are passionate about the game (dev and community teams). Ya'll up in arms about FOMO at the wrong people.
Bet these impromptu QnA's are gonna be done for a bit due to people latching so hard onto this.
@@ynglinknot like it matters, they never give any useful information. Besides the garden of joy rework at least, it’s always “soon! But we can’t give a date!” Meaning it’ll be at least another 6 months
@@braydunce Sure - but the community tends to over react with the responses they see. Most likely because a lot of things they can't say.
It just really shows how little people have worked in actual customer service or community work roles.
Note: I'm referring more to email and phone based customer service when working with internal teams. Not retail style customer service
I’m not convinced.
With all thoes metal bands collections coming, recent collab with that japanese dev for ghostwire tokyo, and even stuff, i'd say they're treating them pretty damn well, in aniversary quotes some artist even said they're thankful for always having something to design and draw for the characters.
Honestly, I've never really had that much of an issue with FOMO, people freaked out over it, and sure, it can be kinda scummy in some circumstances, but overall, I considered the rage to be overblown. I still hold this view.
However, seeing BHVR's blatant hypocrisy is definitely something which pisses me off. Clearly they engage in FOMO practices, I think they should embrace it because it isn't all that bad, but instead they lie and try to act like they're opposed to FOMO practices all for Twitter brownie points.
Sad.
So I understand not getting fomo and not succumbing to it making it seem like an easy thing to overcome, however fomo isn't directed at the people it won't work on. Fomo is very very harmful to the nerodivergent community especially people with adhd like myself and it causes us to impulse purchase even more than we otherwise would which is what's so harmful about it.
To give an example of what this is like Imagine if for people who were wheelchair bound they had the option of taking a very steep and very long ramp to get to the store or they could pay 5 dollars to take the nice short and shallow ramp to the store. That would be very cruel and I'm assuming you would try to help to change that because it's directly targeting and abusing the disability of someone to make a profit. That's what these manipulation tactics in games are like for mentally disabled people like myself.
Even as a P100 Bill main I can accept the answer of "We wont do this because already licensed characters wouldn't have access to such rewards." Which is a FAIR reason/Answer if it's something cosmetic but in general? There really SHOULD be P100 rewards regardless of availability. Instead they just went the broadstroke answer which was the wrong answer XD
"Claps for Food"
Oh, I'll clap. I'll MAKE it clap. No hands.
I still remember the first time I played DBD back in 2017. I saw a bloody cosmetic ( P3 ), and my first thought was, "This survivor is a veteran! This is going to be an interesting match." It wasn't easy to grind BP during those times, so I knew I had to play my best every time I saw a survivor or killer with a bloody cosmetic. That feeling isn't there anymore nowadays, and it's sad.
To be that one guy, the deep rift is 99% of the time pretty lame BUT the artist cosmetics in the pass right now are amazing and I think they look even better in the rift. With that said, I got about halfway through the pass but then mortal kombat 1 came out. Spawn got put in cod and it’s an amazing adaptation of spawn and his world! Mortal kombat is my favorite game franchise of all time, grinding for spawn in the battlepass is pretty fun for me as well. Dbd is the last thing I wanna play right now but it’s pushing me to play it because of the rift. I think we can all admit that dbd is not the type of game you should force yourself to play.
Tbh deep rift is better then getting recolors in the rift itself in my opinion
It’s also crazy that they used FOMO to justify not giving special cosmetics to P100 survivors, but currently got timed SAW cosmetics in the store right now.
I feel like a way they could reward with minimal effort would be taking the anniversary crowns but recoloring them red since it's just the same for all characters.
Another bad behavior take:
So my entire time playing dbd (still a new player, bought it i think about a year ago and have played very casually)
For some reason i had a ton of killers and survivors unlocked. I had them all this time so...i played what i had. Most of my investment went into characters like Feng, Laurie. Pig, and Doctor. They are where my strongest perks add ons and stuff are. I used them to grind for characters that have less stuff. And cuz i liked their playstyles.
...apparently, a month ago after the alien chapter i lost ALL but the base killers and survivors. When i sent in a support ticket, after a month or so of slow responses i essentially got 'steam changed their policy. You had them from library sharing (i dont even share with anyone who plays dbd though...?) So now they are gone. The killers and survivors you jnvested in will still have that investment when you buy them again but we cant reinstate them. Take 150k bps thoufh as compensation for the slow responses'
...150k blood points doesnt help me with the 35 hour grind for iridescent shards per character to get thr ones i invested into back. Hell, it barely does what, 1/4 of a single bloodweb? Just a 'sucks to suck'.
Im severely considering refunding thr game cuz of this cuz thats a lot of time just.. wasted that i wont get back.
Fear of missing out is such a dumb term to use... Why is there a season pass then? What triggers that more than a pass?
If battle passes were easy and rather fast to complete there wasn’t going to be an issue, but they feel like a second job/chore like you said.
They should add low effort cosmetics to the Tomes (like with the current event) instead of just the Rifts, so players will go back and complete them, thus creating retention. They could easily do this with the recolors in the store, since they cost so few cells and shards.
I definitely agree with the fomo argument being bs, but I do think it could be a problem to give p100 skins to dlc chars bc licenses n stuff. And only giving them to non dlc would feel pretty shitty to anyone who dedicated that much time to a dlc char
12:30 literally just achievement rewards
Hey Foodman. Scott reacted to your killer Nerf video on stream. And from that video alone he had some nice things to say about you and your content.
I like how he predicted paid moris with Naughty Bear coming out with a unique mori.
What annoys me is that we had 1 thing that incentivized playing something for a while for cosmetics. Bubba’s masks. And now it’s gone. They’ve shown that they can give us extra things to grind for. So they should do it. But you are right, they won’t because money
Yeah they removed a feature that was pretty cool, people spent hours if not days grinding away to unlock them. Then a small percentage of the player base were targeting/trolling black streamers while wearing the Claudette mask. Basically everyone was punished because of a few idiots, and it’s not like removing these masks stopped these people from trolling.
I also remember one idiot on twitter commented that the Claudette mask was literal blackface and I just facepalmed so hard. Leatherface don’t give fuck about race, he just wanna murder yo ass and steal your face, if anything him refusing to wear black people’s faces would be racist.
As much as I love skins, my hot take is having a Survivor or Killers perks work better for them than on others. Maybe there's some kind of scale down when you're not that character or for making prestige matter, in small increments, their perks get better. That'd make prestige AND character used matter more. Latter is more so for survivors since they are currently blank slates outside of skins worn.
Reiterating again from both Scott's and King's videos where I left this comment.
With the plan of releasing Profile/Player cards, these prestige brags honestly are better suited for that over a skin. Imagine you're a going against a crazy good Huntress and see that they're also a Yun-Jin P100 on top of that. It gives you an overall profile brag that people can see.
It's kind of baffling that they would say they don't want to lock cosmetics behind an "insane amount of progress" when it takes about 80 hours of gameplay to unlock literally any of the 'Very Rare' outfits in the game using iridescent shards
35 hours to get enough iri shards to get a free character. Totally not a MASSIVE wall
I mean that's fair enough because they can't just make money off of the need to pay for stuff
@@ComradeMaryFromMars 35 hours is insane and a huge turnoff for potential new players.
@@matthewwhite1728 New players won't be doing the math on it they'll be busy learning everything surface level
@@ComradeMaryFromMars theyll realize that it takes forever to get any character in less than 10 matches. I did.
Prestige is something that most likely won't associate with fomo anytime soon, considering it's one of the easiest ways of progressing in the game and they don't reset
I don’t really want the mori system they suggested I want to be able to mori using certain perks and offerings not kill one survivor at the end of a match. Now if they made it to where we could change mori animations that would be a good mori system
I would ask for minigames on the gens, instead of simply holding rb, with an occasional lb press.
What be sick if they added a cosmetic skin set for P100 that made the character have runes all over them with glowing eyes & a halo or something like that lol showing they are some what powerful like they reached the top & became one of the entity's favorites.
That's a great idea
The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking prestige 100 on different characters.
As for rewards, we selected no rewards whatsoever based upon how badly the community wants them and other adjustments made to milestone rewards. Among other things, we're looking at average per-player prestige level-up rates on a daily basis, and we'll be making constant adjustments to ensure that prestiging a character leaves players with no satisfaction or compelling reasons to prestige.
-BH(EA)VR
I used to suffer from FOMO, but my mindset has changed due to being jaded by terrible business practices from companies.
Reminds me of the old RuneScape days where you would see people decked out in dragon armor, and you would think that's so cool, i need to grind to get that, and now modern RuneScape is just paid cosmetics and its just like whatever because nothing was earned. Would be awesome if they rewarded dedication like they used to in gaming.
O dear.
@@Tone_Of_Dials 😂😂
7:08 you are part of the problem!
P100 could literally a gold version of the character so default skin but gold and make it shiny and boom instantly worth it
All I want is iridescent shards for prestige, cause then I can buy more cosmetics and characters easier
The worst part about the response imo is that they didn't acknowledge anything about if there's a chance for the mcote legendary skin for Dwight 😭
They gave away exclusive skins for the people who prestige their characters before the blood web rework. The legacy skins those are PC only skins for people who have been playing since day 1
The FOMO stuff is one thing but what pisses me off is that they think it is not neccesary to reward Players reaching P100 putting thousands of hours into the Game and keeping it alive. BHVR forgets that these Players are the Backbone of the Game without them they just have the Casuals that maybe come back if a new Killer/Survivor comes out test it and then dont touch the game until the next Patch/Release.
problem with them doing the QNA this way, im blocked by king on literally every platform for no reason, so was unable to really see it happening myself, so doing it through content creators is risky
Can someone help me i have a problem in loading screen somthing named"license caches" is taiking forever to load if someone know how can i fix it pls tell me
I Like the way deep rock galactic does their “battle pass”. Anything you miss out on gets added to the games loot pool and there is no paid “battle pass” it’s all free. I seriously love the devs behind that game.
You should try Scape and Run Parasites for a big challenge!
When people ask the devs for a reward for P100, they think we're asking for golden strap on cosmetics and not something like a charm
Battle passes are why I don't play games as much as I did... I was huge into For Honor and I played other games, too, just because I was already there for For Honor so why now just play something else? But then... There was a really cool weapon set in the battle pass (and this was within 2 or 4 of the first times they tried).
It was every night... For MONTHS (maybe 2 months, I don't remember, but I am certain it was more than 1) to grind to the end of that thing, every free moment I wasn't in school or sleeping I was on For Honor... And I just haven't been able to enjoy multiplayer games the same since. Cured me of the incessant completionism, though.
Which might sound dramatic... But I swear it changed me.
Why do they implement a FOV-Slider? Who even wants a small FOV? Of course everyone wants the highest POV as possible xD
Aren’t they already monetizing mori animations as a test run with the trapper naughty bear skin? I thought I heard that was gonna have a different mori along side the fact it’s a legendary skin.
FOMO is probably the biggest thing to ruin games for me, I played genshin for roughly a year and had to quit a few months ago due to how stressful it is. Despite the genuine fun game that it has the potential to be everything is bogged down by the constant stress of time limited events that push you to force yourself through the main story whether you want to or not in order to "keep up" with everything. I hate that so many games have become more about "being there when it happened" rather than being able to pick it up even years later and experience it the same as anyone else.
I know that I'm late to this video or not sure if the opinion has changed. I do agree with the idea that not having any progression rewards harms the community and different kinds of player who play consistently or not. Just having awards promote playing the game for something that can be used in game to show off or just to collect. An example of another game having this issue is Payday 2. The difference between console and PC are the progression system in the prestige system. The PC had something to show and had many rewards to continue to grind for more, while the console did not have any of it or maybe some features.
If you don’t resist them doing something scummy they will do it thinking it’s player approved
they don't want people to feel left out if they don't p100. but they seem perfectly fine with giving feng 5 time limited cosmetics every patch.
bhvr just be honest that you have no monetary incentive to do so. it would sound less out of touch.
Honestly, I'm not expecting much from devs that recently lack so much in terms of transparency between them and playerbase. Like literally, they're not even acknowleging that stuff is bugged which makes people wonder if that's a bug or not mentioned change (like Sloppy slowing down healing downed survivor or Jolt causing survivors to scream) - same stuff was with hooks, when they silently changed it so hook screams and effects would happen when survivor just touches the hook, not like it was previously.
About that whole fomo, they literally didn't care to announce that AoT collab is temporary untill it was time for it to go, which is just so mean spirited, meaning to force you into buying it in bulk.
And that's not the only thing - they started using AI to generate cosmetic descriptions (apparently they admitted to it after people started drilling them about it). And I bet it's not the only thing that they use AI to generate. Considering how messy and convoluted previous tome was, I wont be surprised if it would turn out they started AI generating all their lore. Not to mention that their support is also heavily (if not fully) AI serviced (literally when talking to support they can ask for things they already asked for or they were given the info already, which makes contacting support just a frustrating experience).
And all that not mentioning that they started to force you to buy a skin if you want to buy DLC, to give it fake inflation of price. Like, I get it, they wanted to sell DLCs for higher price (why I have no idea, since it seems they might have reduced their staff considering how much they just left for AI to handle), but they could communicate that, not hide it behind "oh yeah, we're so nice, now if you buy DLC you'll also get a skin" despite that THEY ALREADY WERE GIVING COSMETICS WITH DLC PURCHASES, SOMETIMES EVEN THE WHOLE SETS.
Like, their behavior recently really feels like some chinese trashy mobile game company, rather than a game you have to buy and then buy DLC for. Literally, all they do recently feels fake.
You say its a change in philosophy, it is not. It is making that philosophy that has always been there more transparent. The legendary quote 'If you don't like it play something else' still holds true. This is what they really think even now. The way they do everything is indicative of this. They do the bare minimum to keep enough interest and keep the money rolling in for the least amount of effort. That's all they care about 100%. Not even making a quality product that would make better returns on investment. Further they know they can get away with it because of a lack of competition. TCM while not really competition as its drastically different still tried to take from DBD's audience but even they do not look good right now with their pricing and certain... mindsets about how the game is vs. how it's played.
It's painfully obvious they don't play their own game or if they do it's not at a competent level and they don't interact with people who know better. Like many game designers before them I honestly believe BHVR sees this game as an art project with certain design flaws as part of it and thus must never be touched or if they are not in a meaningful way. I of course refer to such things as Nurse, tunnelling, camping, slugging and excessive killer bullying. Players especially in solo spend way too much time uninvested or left to sit and boil in frustration because they spend large amounts of time unable to do anything. I agree on the camping thing too, this 'fix' will do diddly squat. There's still ways to camp and it'll punish other things that aren't intended to be punished. Teleporting hooks would solve a lot of problems and has been suggested a lot of times. It'd require work to figure out the kinks and killer obviously would need buffs but it'd 100% stop camping and significantly hinder tunnelling. They don't do it though. Why? Because it's an art project and such things are part of the 'aesthetic' that must never be touched.
Granted the tribal community doesn't help which is really 90% of people who give feedback are wildly biased and give feedback that is utterly useless (how many times I get accused of being a survivor main despite being a killer player with empathy for the other side is ridiculous) but you can still figure this out if you have a good head on your shoulders if you think of things from both angles. All of these things are effort though and won't make them as much money as FOMO nonsense and giving Feng 100s of cosmetics.
If there is gonna be an FoV slider, are they going to rework Shadowborn? Sounds like it would have to be since a slider would just make the perk useless instead of a niche, fun perk. Now I'm not saying to not do a slider, but they they would need to change Shadowborn so it does see gameplay.
There’s no point to getting to P100 then. The least they could do is do checkpoints rewards for every 1/10, 1/5, or 1/4 portion reached. Like you get something cool at P25, P50, P75, and P100
I had to rewind the video 4 times because the twitter joke activated my adhd everytime.
100% agree, Das!
The dev's need to do something to keep things fun for long-term players. It is actually INSULTING that rewards for consistently playing (for YEARS) are minimal.
They could start with easy, low-effort things too while they gradually implement cool skins...like allowing the Bloodpoint cap to increase by 100,000 for every Devotion level. Or making the XP Boost a regular thing for consecutive matches (you are in longer than 5 minutes/ without DC'ing)
There are other more complex ideas that I have, as I'm sure the rest of the community has too... & they can SAVE money on their creative team by just asking the DBD community! Why would you not want your player base to be happy and offer new things so that gameplay isn't so stale all the damn time?
Not to sound like a Karen, but is there no such thing as customer service/satisfaction anymore? In dehumanizing players, the Dev's are just dehumanized, money-hungry monsters.
P100 on any character shows a pretty good level of dedication to that character. If somebody hits it, they should have all that character’s cosmetics available for purchase in the shop.
Doesn’t take away from ppl who won’t hit p100 bc they can still buy the cosmetics when they’re available seasonally or whatever, but the p100 level means you can buy old cosmetics, seasonal, whatever as long as it isn’t affected by licenses.
That’s how they could monetize it. Missed a skin in the deep rift? Hit p100 and you can get it again.
currently 39 survivors and 33 killers in dbd. BVHR isn't putting rewards for hitting certain prestige because that's just wayyyyy too much for them to do. I do agree that we should be getting something, but it'll take a while for these devs to actually make something so that each survivor and killer has something cool for hitting these milestones.
I agree the statement bhvr said about the p100 situation was very lack lusting and just choosing the simple so they don't have to work on more things is a bit lazy personally. It already takes a good 50+ hours of grinding bps to get to p100 on one character and not getting a special reward when hitting p100 doesn't feel rewarding personally. Hopefully they'll listen to the feedback and possibly add exclusive p100 rewards.
Also, when you said about the fay frogs joke, it reminded me of a streamer i mod for whilst he has the sound alert of the frogs and i usually use the command to jumpscare him 😂
What I think they should do is make charms. 25, 50, 75, 100 with the numbers. Easy, simple. It would give us that reward, without being something major that would make those that don't get to 100 feel like they are missing out.
Also, how dare you call me out like that... I haven't been playing as much as I used to this Rift due to other RL stuff getting in the way, so I ended up just buying the last 12 levels of the Rift. Not because I didn't think I could finish it in time, but because I wanted to play for fun, not be forced to play. I don't regret it or anything at all, but as I usually have the RIft done before even the fourth page unlocks, being that close the end really stressed me out.
I think besides the unable to monetize from this. It would be really difficult I'd imagine to get a reward for every character. If even one license holder says "No you can't make that for Myers or Freddy or Definitely not Demo". I guess the people who P100ed a license like that are just shit out luck? L bozo pick an original character next time? I feel it would kind of be unfair to those people.
amazing video with great points, subbed
Amazing analysis and yes 100 percent agree with what you're saying
Personnaly i think there were other ways to interpret the answer but , Honestly did it really reveal anything new ?
From my POV, NO, not at all, we already knew they cared like this
DEVS>MONEY>GAME BALANCE>GAME HEALTH>COMMUNITY
And ive been folowing behaviour since 2017 so yeah sorry to say that that way but "It honestly had to be expected" ...
Still just enjoy the game for yourself, if you have the FOMO, then you really should reconsider your priorities.(ITS FRUSTATING FOR ME TOO BTW)
I'm not all the way through the video just yet (and I haven't commented in a while, hi food! I hope you're well!!!!!
i was gunna rip on you until you brought up the deep rift thing thats a good point
Lets not forget that they also turned seasonal cosmetics that were in the shops for years into limited time cosmetics too. Literally proving its not something they need to do, just something they want
Id love a mike myers gamemode like swiftor on cod
Hello das food may I ask if you can do clown gameplay videos please?
All I'm gonna say is I'd have the same mentality if I made a multiplayer game
Glad people are calling out BHVR, one of the main reasons why i stopped playing. Dev team is blatantly hypocritical, and i was fed up with it
Calling out means nothing if people still buy the shit though, BHVR know they have a large base of heavily invested whales that will buy the new feng skin.
@@MadmanImpersonator i agree, I've stopped playing and buying shit. But the more people point this out, the better chances people don't buy shit from BHVR. Its like that one tweet "nice opinion, did a youtuber give it to you?" And in this case we can use that to our advantage
15:25 DBD Alex Jones be like, "THEY'RE TURNING OUR BRITS GAY!!!"
BHVR saying they dont want people to miss out on something actually obtainable is like the wildest April Fools joke except its September.
It doesn't make them money so they dont wana take the time to make something that rewards players. Just say that instead of the corporate hypocrisy they gave us 😂 love the game but for a company that kind of listens to their fan base this is just such a slap in the face.
Give us something worth grinding for besides bloodpoints dammit
0:10 bro made a SniperWolf reference here.
Live service was the worst thing to happen to video games, worse than loot boxes, worse than day one dlc, even worse than multiple preorder exclusives based on which store has what.
I agree with this video 99.9%. The other 0.1% is where you said "grind it like a second job" regarding the rift. I'm SUPER casual, like play a few hours a week, not a day, a week. And I finished the deep rift quite a while ago. If you use daily XP bonuses and Tome challenges it's really not hard to complete with a casual amount of play. I'm totally picking the nits of a split hair, but I loved the rest so much I had to say it.
I agree with this. I only play a few matches a day and I finish the rift a while ago too.. I think we get enough time to finish the rift even for casuals.
Agreed. I haven't played in 3 weeks and had already finished the Deep Rift a month ago. I believe the third page of the challenges wasn't even out yet at that time.
I don't think the numbers add up chief
@@HD-vu5vv *says a prayer for the sarcasm deprived"
It's true if you are actively playing the game. I remember when I was I had no problem completing the rifts. Now though? It's hard and I have to focus to do it. Thankfully this time I wasn't interested in much in this rift but last one I really wanted all of Renato's stuff so I remember.
Not sure if you’ve heard of it, but deep rock galactic does things like this very well. It’s a 10$ game, there’s game dlcs you can buy for extra skins and stuff, but they make all event skins earn able, all battlepass skins earn able without paying a dime, I did the entire event pass for this summer and the entire battle pass for entirely free. I’m not saying dbd has to go that in depth to it, but drg at least gives us stuff for levelling up and putting time into the characters we like. We get new cosmetics every time we “prestige” our characters. It gives us SOMETHING. Games like that is the reason I don’t understand most companies, it’s honestly down to lining their own pockets. Just greed. I understand that drg probably has a small dev team and don’t need much money to keep paying their employees, but I feel like dbd is just going over the top with it and not giving us anything, I guess what you said, “crumbs”.
Completely with you on this !!
Seriously, they were on the right track with the Bubba masks a while back, (I understand WHY they were taken away but they could've done something different with Bubba) The more time you put into a killer the more stuff you should be able to unlock FOR that killer and you shouldn't have to go out of your way to go buy it from the shop. It is so infuriating that if I want some sort of outfit or to look cool as killer I have to use real money or spend HOURS grinding iri shards just to buy ONE outfit. Behaviour really needs to step up their game, no pun intended, otherwise I fear TCM and other games might rise over it.
the only time they actually put in a p100 reward was with the naughty bear skin wich YOU NEED TO BUY AND WEAR FOR THIS, and its literally just "i'm so proud of you naughty bear" being said. lame as hell. p9 is literally the furthest i'd be willing to go for a character, and even then i dont cause i dont feel like spending that much time on dbd. maybe when chucky comes out and i have fun with a really unique character that actually shakes up the gameplay for both sides significantly, even if its just because of size. but other than that or getting bloody cosmetics on my fav killers, i just dont feel like it. bloodpoints are an annoying grind that literally do nothing for you but give you cheat code items that let you mess with the game balance. every time i play dbd i spend most of my bloodpoints on killers just go get them to prestige 1 and get their perks for every character. its gonna be a fucking pain when you need to p3 every single killer to get all the perks instantly, and even then the general perks arent on that list. its very annoying. and then the survivors just being glorified skins, the only survivor i care about rn is nicholas cage and thats cause he has voice lines and a personality, and you have fun when using him.
dbd needs more character, less grind. its just endless grind. sisyphus wouldnt be that difficult to add as a survivor or killer because he already is in an endless grind.
idk why you always say that. youre not a loser for getting upset for something you care about like tf we spend hours on this i think its fine to get upset about it
Garden of joy is not surrivor sided anymore they literally changed everything the dark rooms gone that one op vault window gone
The car loop nerfed they made the fences too small it use to be longer still ok I guess but you can just get bloodlusted and vaulting window is bad
Only good thing about that map now is that one god window and the God pallet besides that there's weak pallets and some good ones near jungles gyms
If their was more earned items I would be playing a lot more I really only play during events and tome release once those are complete I walk away until the next tome or event .
Its a bad disengenious answer but I also really don't care. I view the p100 bonus as having constant lvl 50 blood webs, but I also have never spent a time on cosmetics as I really just don't care. The characters could be floating squares for all i care as long as the game is fun. I get that other people care though and it does seem like such a low bar for BHVR to reach. My guess is they didn't think people cared or wanted it that much so after this backlash I wouldn't be surprised if they slapped some shitty parts of skins on the prestige track. Though knowing them they'll take that feedback as people want the bloody cosmetics spread out across 100 levels.
I disagree with this take ngl, not every player can pour all of their time into getting P100. Some people have other things to do, and if they feel like they are missing out on something super cool that they can get for free, they will be upset that they don't have the time to grid for it. I also don't think that The Rift is very comparable to getting P100. The Rift is a grind, sure, but You progress through the rift by playing the game and doing challenges, not sitting in the lobby spamming the Auto Bloodweb for the next 20 years. You can get the Rift Cosmetics later in the shop for shards, and the Deep Rift cosmetics are just recolors of those skins (and most of them suck tbh). There is also the fact that idk if they can even add P100 rewards for licensed characters. Especially the Stranger Things characters. They may be able to add some stupid charm as the reward, but that is nowhere near worth the tedious grind of getting P100. I am also confused about your point that BHVR is contributing to the shitty monetization tactics. Of course they are, they are a company, they are in it for the money and they aren't our friends. Overall I really think adding a P100 reward would be more harmful than good for the game, either making players who don't have the rewards frustrated with the grind needed to get a cool skin for their favorite character or making the ones who do have them unsatisfied with how lame the reward is.
Honestly the whole argument that P100 stuff is FUMO is pretty dumb. Fumo (fear of missing out) is done by having something that forces people to grab now or never obtain it again.
P100 is just a grind that can take you a minimum time or longer. I won’t argue it will be tedious but I will argue it’s not FUMO at ALL. On top of that, usually the idea of a prestige is to get good at ONE thing and show you have mastered it just like Das Food’s examples of COD weapon camo where you could get diamond camos and what not but you had to GRIND the fuck out of that ONE GUN and if you got it for that gun then it shows you mastered that weapon and play style or otherwise you took all your time to master it.
That is supposed to be the point of prestiging anyway. Mastering that specific thing and then getting “medals” to show off your progress.
Hell even a silly board game with anime like characters has a prestige system where by playing a specific character for 50 games earns you a pin for them…and games are not quick and there’s over 50 or more characters in the game so they don’t expect people to get all the pins either.
It’s weird cuz when I was a teenager I had FOMO, as an adult? Dude if I miss it bummer but I’m so over caring for crap like that. I just find it dumb that now if I do want something like that it’s either I pay to skip the grind or I have to grind for 50 hours in a week, like seriously?
Why have we strayed from games being about fun, and went into games being a second job? It’s Wack. Now I have to worry about leveling up some killer I don’t even like so I can get the perks because if I DONT use them I’m gonna lose to some SWF who has the new busted perks on their side. I really don’t get it anymore.
How was hungary and where did you go?
it sucks how you can main your fav character and have nothing to show for it other than pointless p100 that will only higher ur chances of gettin tunneled
They monetize Moris I’m not okay with that we should earn them not pay for them 5 dollars is nuts for what just amounts to ending someone this way 1% of the time considering how sparse getting a mori actually is
DBD is already a FOMO machine with their monetization system.
15:43 altruism is the best killer perk fr
I just missed out on the Legacy skins
And missing out on all the paid dlc
And any paid cosmetics 😂
You're not screamin' at the clouds, you're singing the truth, people should listen especially the industry.
Bro I just want rainbow perk charms
I dont agree at all with the concept that them saying they dont want to make prestige 100 a fomo thing is inherently a lie. Buying cosmetics is completely different than sinking countless hours into the game. This is a retention thing. Just think about it conceptually, new player joins, 2 weeks in they realize at p100 they get some great reward. 1 of 2 things will happen - 1 they will rush to P100 to get some reward (have fun spending 500+ hours to get there) and missing out on other more important things, like unlocking perks and new characters, or 2 they will get discouraged, because they dont want to spend 500 hours leveling up for a cosmetic (or whatever it is.) It changes how people approach the game, and could hinder many players from seeking out other fun aspects of the game.
That is completely different than fomo behind a pay for cosmetics feature that ultimately drives their income up and allows us to continue to have updates and new things to look forward in the game. People want to hit P100 for the prestige you get from simply having the title P100. It's plenty incentivized as it is, and while some might not like the response, it doesn't give me this "Why am i supporting THESE people" perspective, as if its actually somehow even important. I think that's just the growing sense of entitlement gamers, and humans are seeing.
Edit: I get the frustration about monetization, but you have to realize that these companies have to do SOMETHING to sustain revenue. This is not a new concept. Just look at the lightbulb - planned obsolescence or these companies would have died, and you wouldnt have lightbulbs anymore. Same for gaming. This is *entertainment* and the continued production and development has to be funded, so unless you want ads in gaming, like youtube and other entertainment outlets have done, realizing this and supporting it is really only helping yourself and the community continue to enjoy what this company is investing in so heavily.
They weren't prepared for how big this game would be. Got the time to prepare and still didn't...
They do not listen players suggestions when it comes to balancing perks or killers, reworks et cetera.
They do not understand how their game works in majority of cases. They only rely on killers and perks usage which do not represent the reality of what is annoying in this game.
On top of that even when the stats correctly assess that something is terrible they often do the wrong thing because they fail to understand why it's terrible. The Furtive Chase change is case and point of this. The one thing the perk is good for is obsession changing and things like make your choice with Nemesis but none of that part got buffed. Instead the most useless part of it got an extremely irrelevant buff.
Michael myer tome for new movie would be dope
There's another?
@@mosshivenetwork117 if a new movie comes out*
I believe they can monitize reworks. I would be willing to bet that any licensed killer would sell better, like Freddy for example. If they made him stronger I guarantee more people would go for him to play rather than the more powerful ones.
We don't have numbers, but I bet Sadako sold way more after her recent update.
There's already another dead by daylight video game being made, not sure why people forgot But people forgetting i'm sure that happens a lot lol
They can’t comment on things because they arnt actually doing anything. There’s bigger games with smaller dev teams that get more accomplished per patch than these loosers. I bet that office is ran like Twitter pre Elon .