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Selling my ARRI Alexa Classic in 2022
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2022
- In this video I talk about the reasons why I decided to sell my ARRI Alexa Classic and invest in the RED Komodo. There are tons of things to consider when choosing to purchase or rent a particular camera. I'm sharing my personal experience owning the Alexa Classic for two years and how it helped me to grow as a Cinematographer.
ARRI footage from Kitty Coen's new music video "Bad Bad Liar"
• Kitty Coen - bad bad l...
BTS footage shot by Luke Holliday on his RED Komodo
Luke's RUclips channel: / lukeholliday
This video was filmed on my new RED Komodo at Round Room Music studios @roundroommusic on Instagram
My website: www.tannergrandstaff.com
My Instagram: @tannergrandstaff
To learn more about ARRI and RED camera systems, visit
www.arri.com
www.red.com
Would love to hear from the community about your experience comparing ARRI and RED ecosystems. What’s your take after watching this video?
Just got myself a RED Komodo and absolutely love it. I stumbled across the ARRI Alexa Classic and wanted to do some research whether that camera would also have been an option for my work and your video absolutely underlined my decision and all my thoughts 😂
Thanks a lot and enjoy your Komodo, it’s an absolute beast 🤙🏼
@@MortyFilms Thank you! And, Likewise! Congratulations on joining the Komodo community.
Have you sold it yet?
Funny I’m watching videos considering trading my Komodo rig with lots of extras for an Alexa classic. I’m in love with the image and think that’s my next move
Some people have no business being concerned about megapixels. I've seen their work and more pixels isn't gonna fix anything
i have seen this beast in action at
it was filming at 1080p it shocked it me that is why i dont care about 4K I LOVE The ARRI Classic 1080p footage
that is why am going to put my heart on it till i get it
You're so wholesome, I really think you articulate yourself well and so I'm looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts in the future!
Thank you so much, this means a lot!
super well put together video. love it
I have two ARRI classics and I have that same EXACT experience. I thought you were also going to mention that because of the weight you have to get the most expensive gimbals. I think at this point in time, the ARRI classic is only a great investment if you are doing fully independent films which have a lot of static shots.
Absolutely! That’s a great point.
Excellent explanation Tanner! I'm so drawn to the Classic. It has such a good feel to it's footage! Much love from your neighbor over in East Tennessee🙏🏼
Howdy, neighbor!
Hah the way you out the frame is amazing
I bought one because I need to exercise/weights so it motivates me to do home videos of my pets while getting good exercise and cardio.
I decided this might attract others with a similar mindset and to my surprise calls started coming in so I started the Arricersize program with 2 centers now open and class sizes average 42 people a day.
This video was amazing, Tanner this was a fun story
Thank you!
Great Video! And Great Stash!! I'd love to hear your thoughts later on after you've used the Komodo for a while.
Haha thank you! I will make a video in a few weeks about my experience using the Komodo on a recent short film I shot.
Very insightful, thank you.
Tanner. Superb video. Thank you! Thank you! ULTRA RELEVANT in 2022 and probably beyond. You have an interesting point about weight and needing an assistant to run the camera. I shoot Sony F5 (big brother to FS5 which I also have at the moment) and the F5 is friendly to a single operator environment as the camera menu faces the operator. However, if an assistant was available, I can see how the menu facing the operator could be more than cumbersome as the assistant would be reaching past the operator’s right ear and face which would be distracting and inefficient time wise. My F5 is 12-13 pounds with a small lens so it is difficult for me to imagine a 25 pound camera. I wonder if a lighter weight B camera could be combined with the Alexa for gimbal work or when weight is an issue. I too am curious to know your opinions on Komodo vs Alexa. To me they are different tools for different jobs. I think a Komodo would be convenient and portable, but I’ve not used one, and based on the images I seen (many videos with different DPs) It’s no where near being a replacement for my F5 (with 4K upgrade) unless the Komodo is on a gimbal. I’ve never put my F5 on a gimbal and have no plans to do so. Too much financial risk for me and I cannot afford a professional gimbal operator. I love the handheld non-jittery motion of my F5 when shoulder mounted or hand held. I also love the look of the Alexa. So smooth. I don’t shoot things that other people have written or offer production services at the moment so I have the luxury of only needing to meet Netflix camera requirements (if I ever submit something to Netflix) however I understand that clients for production work want what they want, and rightfully so since it’s their money and their project they’re funding. It would be no different than if I was financing a film and the DP had an 8K RED but I wanted to rent Alexa Classics. It’s not their film, it’s my film. If a DP gave me much pushback on this I’d probably find another DP. I’m 100% serious on this. If we’re shooting with potatoes, and I like the potato look, then anyone eye rolling persons on set can go find a gig that better suites their own personal tastes. Thank you again for this awesome and helpful video. 👍
Didn't know you had a RUclips channel, subbed! Great points all round.
Peep Jiayao on that steadicam that's epic!
Hey Adam! I’m new to RUclips content, and having fun with it! Thank you
I like mine but it is a beast! There are some pros and cons to that. It’s unfortunate that people are so obsessed with the 4K thing. There’s so much more to image quality than numbers. Enjoy the new camera!
Exactly! Thank you for watching
4K is a gimmick. People who know nothing about cinematography want it to look like a videogame ("sharp" across the frame, no DOF).
I got an older (but nice) Sony with a Super35 1080p sensor. Works great with vintage lenses.
@@reptilespantoso yea the Steve Yedlin stuff did a good job showing that to people. Not having internal nd can cost a bit more time on set, but honestly the biggest thing is accessories are so hard to replace/ find bc nobody uses it anymore.
Love the Alexa, 2k on Alexa is better than 4k on a lot of cameras, especially at 4444. Also, it’s quite hard to even tell the difference between 2k and 4k in a lot of scenarios, yet The demand for it is there. Some comparisons of 2k and 4k on Alexa here: ruclips.net/video/zIedETO3tI4/видео.html
Love your channel
Great video …. Wanted one …now I know
great vid ,T!
Hey Rob! Thank you so much. Hope you’re doing well!
Hi Tanner, Awesome work and great video. I love as well your colours in your main headshot of this video. Can you share how you colour grade your footage?
Thank you for watching! After some minimal exposure and contrast curve adjustments, I applied a free LUT from Red’s website called “Blau” that subtly shifts the red hue into a more teal space. To me, this felt more familiar to the Arri color science.
Ok, i got to ask. Aside the size & weight and a few more cons. Does 'nt the sensor & color management on it's own is reason enough to keep it?
@2:30 is very easy to feed the ARRI scratch audio , lots of options.
If only ARRI reused the sensor, pair it with modern electronics and put it in a compact housing, and sell it at a competitive price (coz, you know 2.8K at max) they would still be selling this like a hot cakes...
But.... That's basically the Alexa mini
Thats exactly what they did. Its called the Alexa LF and they want 80k for it 😔 if you want the sensor that they haven't changed since 2010 while having bragging rights for clients...buy the Classic.
Great insight. What setup are you using for this interview? The colors and look are amazing. 🤘
Thank you! My key light is a 5.5K Westcott Octabox and my kick is an Aputure lightstorm LS-1C also set to 5.5K. My camera is set 5.5 kelvin as well. I applied a free LUT from Red’s website called “Blau” that subtly shifts the red hue into a more teal space. Minor contrast curve adjustments as well.
00:00 2 14bit readouts combined into 16bit linear raw is the somethint you're looking for. Almost no prosumer camera apart from the xh2s even does a 14bit readout from the sensor.
If you want to do this on a much smaller scale but get the benefit of that image quality, try using magic lantern crop mood. You get real 14bit raw readout
Thanks so much for your video. It had such a nice measured and professional tone and quality and it was a real pleasure hearing your thoughts. Meanwhile I am super impressed by the grade of this video too as it could be described in exactly the same way especially since you shot it on the Komodo. Is that right? I would have sworn it was shot on an Alexa. As a Komodo owner and lover of the arri look I would love to know what your key light is and your basic grade/LUT process. Thanks so much. I haven’t seen the Komodo look so Arri like before. I know there are lots of conversion LUTs or CST processes out there but the roll off and contrast is very Arri?! If that was the intention or just your personal taste, either way it’s so nice to see. Thx so much.
Thank you very much, you’re very kind! I’ve learned a lot about color grading recently from Cullen Kelly’s page, and the 3-day Reducation training. My key light is a 5.5K Westcott Octabox and my kick is an Aputure lightstorm LS-1C also set to 5.5K. My camera is set 5.5 kelvin as well. I applied a free LUT from Red’s website called “Blau” that subtly shifts the red hue into a more teal space. I think that’s giving it the greenish Arri color science.
@@TannerGrandstaff hey thanks so much for your reply. Would you recommend the course. Its not cheap but seems a good grounding for Red?? Thx
@@KenFlanagan tons of value! I did the virtual option and gained a lot of info. I’m the type of person to ask a lot of questions. So, to have some of Red’s team available for that was amazing.
@@TannerGrandstaff Thanks for that. Makes sense. Thx
Subscribed for the stache
Cheers brov
I’m also in Nashville! Would love to work together. I’ve used the Arri Alexa mini on many occasions and I’m a BMPCC 6K pro owner operator and I love them both. Red is also fantastic, I hope to see your journey on this channel using it!
Hey RJ! Let's meet for coffee sometime. I just followed you on Instagram. Let's chat!
Would love to buy.
I'll buy it!!!! 😊
You can record Arriraw 2.8k on a Classic *with* an Atomos ninja V (pro kit?) or a "recorder *like* an Atomos Ninja" (aka an Odyssey7 or Gemini444) ? Because on the Atomos website, they don't talk about the Classic, just the compatibility with the Amira and the Mini with the AN V pro kit.
Amazing video Tanner! I was shocked to hear you're ditching the Arri for the RED Komodo, I'm currently debating between these two cameras. How's your experience with the RED been so far? How do you feel the image competes with the Alexa Classic? Cheers!
After about four months, I have zero regrets switching to the Komodo. Having this powerhouse of a small-form cinema camera has so many advantages for practical work and maneuvering. I think it’s a completely personal debate for what you’re seeking professionally. I can still pitch and rent ARRI camera systems in town for commercial work when it’s the right camera for the job. Making a video all about this soon!
@@TannerGrandstaff Thanks for the reply! Looking forward to the next video 👍
I can attest to the quality of R3D HQ files. When exposed properly, it is incredible. Loving my Komodo. The glass you use with it is equally as important but when planned for purpose, everything is just wow.
Cool, man. What do you think about the sigma fp? I believe that camera shoots 4K. The color science of that camera is incredible. To me, the best color science of any other cinema camera below $10K I’ve ever seen (except for used Alexa, of course). Also, with the sigma fp, you get your choice of 3 RAW formats (cinema DNG, prores raw, braw). Computers are so fast now, processing cinema DNG files are easy and can be transcoded to prores 444 with alpha. Cost of storage is cheap enough to facilitate a cinema DNG workflow too. Curious as to your thoughts 🧐
I’m sorry to let you down, I don’t have any experience with the Sigma FP. I haven’t heard of any pros or cons in my community. It sounds like the right tool for you if you’re happy with the versatility of the codecs it offers. At the end of the day, if you’re loving the tool and it’s enabling you to create what you’re seeking - that’s all that matters!
@@TannerGrandstaff Very true. Appreciated 👍🏾
Everybody should watch Steve Yedlin’s Resolution Demo!!
I’ll buy it 😁
love your interview what lens you are using?
Sigma Art 18-35mm EF
Great video. Can you please post a link to the digital slate you used?
apps.apple.com/us/app/digislate/id805684949
Did ya sell it yet? I’m interested in buying
What did you shot this video on?
Do you still have this camera? I’m interested in buying
how’d you manage to get arriraw 2.8k using the atomos ninja V? is the sdi module needed for atomos ninja?
I’m not sure as I did not ever test it. It is explained in ARRI TECH Talk videos.
@@TannerGrandstaff thanks! Will look more into this.
If the Classic shot 4K or even UHD, it would STILL be relevant.
I'm going to be ridiculed for saying this but if you up-rez Alexa Classic footage to 4K in post with one of the amazing plug-ins out there it still looks soooo gooood. As long as your client isn't Netflix no one knows or cares. I used Instant 4K by Red Giant on a job for a huge LED screen at an event and it looked fantastic.
I hate UHD and or 4K! No one cares about resolutions! Also my computer doesn’t like it and my wallet definitely not!!
@@emmanuelording4155 ya, but (pro) editors always recommend against upresing.
@@timeallofgreatestthe Only pro editors who don’t know their scaling algorithms. Watch Steve Yedlin’s Resolution Demo. The classic or at least the Super 35 2.8K sensor is just as relevant and useable as it has been ten years ago. Marketing and the general urge of consumers and professionals to believe what marketing says has swayed the public perception to believe we need large and higher res sensors and that 2K will in given time look like SD but that’s scientifically false. Watch Steve Yedlin’s Resolution Demo!
Where could i buy your camera?
Because i’m about to film a shortfilm and it would be very interesting. Thanks!
My Alexa has been sold. I’m sorry, and good luck with your short film!
You will love the RED Komodo 🎥 super tiny package and strong codec!
Surprised you didn't go to the black magic pocket cinema cameras or even alexa mini or even an older red scarlet 6k.
Hey, What’s the type of timecode-clapperboard you used?
It’s an iOS App called DigiSlate
Oh, Thanks A lot.
what stabilizer did you use with the classic?
Desn’t need
I recently acquired the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema 6k. Can’t wait to use that one on projects! 😊
Was this shot on an Alexa
The mustache is a cocoon that could turn into either spiders or a butterfly.
But we'll just have to wait to find out
Love that camera sell it to me
Already sold it, sorry.
Can Ninja actually film ARRIRAW ??
Takes a lot of balls for an Arri shooter to confess they like shooting with RED :) I mean, I own and operate on a RED, but there is this elitist thing with Arri shooters, it makes me giggle.
My philosophy is all cameras are just tools. Some are more fitting than others for different types of work. Creatively and functionally, they are all strong in their own ways. I love seeing what people are capable of with an iPhone… LOL
@@TannerGrandstaff agreed. Now when it comes to making a living as a filmmaker, this is where is can get complicated. The technology to make great “looking” video is everywhere, it’s available to almost everyone, and the iPhone “pro” is a good example of… okay so does that mean you are a professional? Being a professional meant (at one time I believe) 60% of your income comes from that particular trade. So does that mean someone can make a living with an iPhone 13? What does this mean for other filmmakers? How much should iPhone users charge? What does this mean for the industry, and anyone with their phones can create what they want, does this mean the video market and services are diminishing in value?
A lot of people mistake pretty for great cinematography. There ARE reasons why cinema cameras do what they do, and cost so damn much, because that extra 10% you need that cost you $50,000 makes a difference for the latitude you can’t get with a telephone.
I completely support creators of all kinds of any degree, but where is the professional realm going with the gap closing on equipment?
@@RobinetProductions We should chat over coffee sometime… This is a wonderful topic to discuss. Thank you for sharing some of your thoughts!
@@TannerGrandstaff Yeah man let’s do it! I did like your video, I hope you saw that camera! I recently just sold my Epic-W, I upgraded to the Raptor, But it took me longer than I thought to sell that piece of equipment!
My dream camera
am raising cash i pray that one day that will be in my room.
i total agree with agreement
1 is am going lose my entire savings
am cool with i ill get cash
why did you stop making videos? records arri raw to a ninja really?
Have you sold it yet?
Yes.
@@TannerGrandstaff Im looking for one. I wonder if I can put an atomos shogun to use as external monitor via SDI. I see some listings with no EVF, that could work for me If I find one with no EVF because I have a shogun. Did you ever try that?
@@johncharlesgerald8247 I didn’t use a shogun but I used the SDI port to monitor out to a Small HD. Important thing to note: the SDI port (along with the entire output module) needed to be replaced after owning this for a year and a half. It was an expensive replacement. When that component failed, I had to use the EVF to monitor my image until I sent it out to get fixed.
@@TannerGrandstaff Great info if you don’t mind me asking how much did they charge you for that repair? So as far as the SDI output I’m sure I can hook up any monitor to it that has an SDI input including the shogun without a problem right?
@@johncharlesgerald8247 it was about half of what they’re worth at the moment. And yes, any monitor with SDI input should work fine.
I've had my Alexa Classic since 2017 and has made me a bunch of dough, but you are right, it's a beast back-breaker to work with because of the weight. I also own the Komodo, and let me tell you, there is nothing like the magical lovely filmic cream that the Alexa produces, I have the Odyssey 7q+ for ARRIRAW and the quality is just like the Alexa Mini. I only have the Komodo for the buzzword, but I hate using it, it is so clunky and it just doesn't give the dreamy silky skin tones and color that Alexa delivers. I rarely shoot with the Alexa because of the weight, and because everything needs to be heavy duty to use it. But if you want your videos or commercials to look like the high end ones, only Alexa delivers the look. Komodo is nice, but it ain't no Alexa. It just doesn't have the secret fairy dust magic sauce.
Love to hear that! And I hear you, there’s a real magic quality to the Alexa sensor and color science. I think the Komodo (RED cameras in general) just has a different look to work with in the grading process.
@@TannerGrandstaff Agreed. I own both and I hate using the Komodo. Start up time and black balancing are a pain and get old fast. Also the image isn't close to the Alexa and redcode will fill up your drives quick!
It’s a beast and sucks. I’m a 1st ac and I hate it!
I can guarantee he's already regretted it.
No
$5.00. Take it or leave it.
Dude, you bought an Alexa Classic in 2020 and you were wondering why you couldn't rent it out? The fact that you made a video about this in 2022 is just mindboggling. This is like the most unnecessary video ever...
Why did you watch it then, genius?
@@matthewphillips5483 how could I have an opinion about it without watching it?