Not just for that Spain has high speed lines its the top in Eu and making hs rail lines alone its not spending money bad let than HS2 what kind of professional work is doing whith archeological nature preserving trees architectural buildings preservation etc etc I think its money well spend for the UK roads ( rail, ports, airports, and my opinion defence )spend in a clever way that UK until now its not doing spending good enough or smart enough but in those two manners if spend good and smart UK will gain much more in its global power economy.
Love to go back to 1838 and tell Hardwick it would still be standing in almost perfect nick and is just about to be restored in just under 200 years' time. ☺
If you're referring to the uncovered turntable, then yes it is being preserved and being made a feature as part of the frontage area to the new station
What was a disgrace was the hotel that adjacent to this structure. Even though it was a listed building Birmingham in it's infinite wisdom demolished it. There were many such buildings that have disappeared because of Birmingham's short sightedness. There was a matching structure in London fronting Euston and as everyone knows even though that too was a listed building it fell to the wrecking ball.
The Doric Arch at Euston was not listed. A decent amount of the stone from the arch has been found and recovered and the iron gates are preserved in the National Railway Museum. There are plans to reconstruct the arch and incorporate it into the new new Euston station but whether they go ahead remains to be seen.
Birmingham Council may not be the world's greatest, but the majority of the destruction of heritage buildings was out of their hands. The buildings were largely privately owned, and the council could only refuse to let them demolish, which is what they often did. However, at the time they had no powers to force an owner to maintain a structure. Consequently, in order to redevelop, the owners simply let the buildings decay until they had to be demolished as they became dangerous. The demolition of the Victorian central library was the council's responsibility. However, as someone who studied in the old library I can say that it was simply not fit for purpose. To have made it suitable for reuse in another guise would have required so much alteration that little that was original would have remained. Unfortunately, at that time, conversion to residential was not an option as no one then considered living in the centre.
@@johnm2012 can you please elaborate on why you think the central library was unfit for purpose? Was it because it wasn't new and shiny made of concrete and glass? What about our universities they're old and decrepit maybe we should demolish those as being not fit for purpose.
@@peterbattey8263 In afraid I have no opinion about the central library as I never knew the building. I think you meant to ask Bandersnatch instead of me.
bomb damage repaired quite crudely. This is a major issue with a lot of stuff in the UK, with make do and mend, being the mantra for decades. The problem is when major upgrades comes along they find these temporary repairs or undocumented "fixes" and have to properly fix them. I heard of lines in London that the there is unstable rubble as fill in old bomb craters that has had to be dug out and properly backfilled, which adds not only to cost but time.
@@bluevan12 asbestos poisoning!..Another! SILENT KILLER!🙀 ( & can occur as many as 50! years! after exposure! & deaths are reaching their peak!, years! after! the widespread!! use! if the carcinogen between the 1950s & 70s!).. "Brown" Asbestos use is a key reason, why the UK, Australia! & U.S. ..has the highest! Mesothelioma rates in the world! (blue/brown/white asbestos).. adhesives, Brake pads!, cement!!, drywall, fireproofing, Gaskets, Insulation, Roofing, Vinyl tiles. Talc!! is the softest known mineral on earth!..yep! baby! powder!🙀.. Amongst use in, chalk, crayons, paint!, rubber!😳, cosmetics!, ceramics and pharmaceuticals!! Asbestos degradation "leeches into the environment" and best to leave in situ than remove!.. Because it's everywhere!, it's in the buildings that are forever being pulled down and refurbished, which can make asbestos airborne!!😖 It was reported in 2021! over!! 5,000! deaths per year!!🙀 from asbestos-related disease!.. 2019! 2,369 Mesothelioma deaths! with a similar number of lung cancer! deaths due to past exposures to asbestos!.. 490! deaths! in 2019 mentioning! Asbestosis! on death certificate!*🙀.. (*excluding deaths that also mention Mesothelioma!).. These diseases are "long latency" - typically, decades! for symptoms to occur! However, for cancers such as mesothelioma & lung cancer, cases are often!! rapidly! fatal! following disease onset!!! While Asbestosis may progress over time and lead to complications which can be fatal! Here's a few areas with the highest Male Asbestosis smr's (Standardised Mortality Ratios)..1981/2019.. Barrow-in-Furness - deaths 113 Sunderland - deaths 360 Plymouth - deaths 315 Barking & Dagenham- deaths 140 South Tyneside - deaths 147 West Dunbartonshire - deaths 68 Hartlepool - deaths 72 North Tyneside - deaths 156 Inverclyde - deaths 59 Newham - deaths 107.. Female Asbestosis deaths 1981/2019. There were far fewer deaths among females than males. SMR's for many areas were therefore associated with considerable uncertainty due to the small numbers observed. Nevertheless, the results show that certain areas known to be associated with industries with heavy historic asbestos exposures have particularly high SMR's. The North East region accounted for 128 deaths of the 352 deaths for GB as a whole during 1981/2019. the top five areas.. Sunderland - 81 Barking & Dagenham - 17 Newham - 13 South Ribble - 7 (but none since before the year 2000) Darlington - 6 Data from Health and Safety Executive Asbestosis Register. & this is just a snippet! of worldwide use! & deaths!😖
Having recorded and if possible merely re-covered them with soil, it would be nice if the layout of the stone foundations was relaid in/on the new surface directly above the true location, it would be as close as possible to walking thru the original terminus complex, you'd 'get' the relationship with the station and some idea of the sheer size of the area a station and ancilliary buildings took up in the mid 19c. Though I hope it gets reburied and not dug up, if it has to go to another location as some will be covered in new builds, cant we still have the stones in the correct locations, anywhere that is in open space? I think it would be fascinating to see a skeleton of the past peeking up from under the present. times spent seeking them all out 😊
WHat about you he world's first rail way Booking Office , on the world's first passenger railway, at Stockton on Tees ? You would barely got think it existed !
Dont worry its the other end thats got the probs...Asked 'where was the first passenger railway, ever?' the reply often starts, "Oh aye, the Stockton and... yet the Stockton and..... bloody 'ell, where did it go to?" Silence "You know, it had to somewhere, where was it?" more, even quieter silence. People may not be raving about Stockton much nowadays, but none of the currently alive can remember that other place at all!!
I do feel for Leeds, as I think they have been royally screwed over...and I say that as a Brummie. It is a lovely city with great buzz about it, and the skyline isn't too shabby either.
@@mrglide7078 well work and contracts won't be signed for years, so the people of the north know who they need to vote out and who they need to vote in to get HS2 completed.
The image of Curzon Street Station at 0:58 shews the original fully balanced structure. These side-wings should have been re-built to give a balanced view of this important railway structure. Without them it is a stark building which does not stand in its own rite. Unlike the Kings Lynn Customs House which remains architecturally balanced, Curzon Street Station building does not.
I know CAGs are exaggerated but looking at the visualisation from 01:22 onwards and the new(ish) buildings to the right of this old building and then the site as it is now @ 03:53 one has to wonder if they will be demolished?
Took me a couple of views to get it. The back of the building is the same design as the front. So the computer mock up is looking in the opposite direction.
Would be nice if they would rebuild the turntable above the original, and made it interactive so it can be moved by hand. (like I giant round about found in parks) Then Use block paving to recreate the original track and roundhouse 😉
I wonder why the original crest shown in the drawings was chipped off? Bet it won’t be replaced. Birmingham New Street is modern and practical but it’s a maze of unfathomable tunnels to the newcomer and the usual chain store shops. And those huge, scary steps down to the platforms when your train has just been announced and there’s a queue for the lifts. Sad the original station has gone.
So you haven't been to the new third New Street Station, there are no scary steps any more the whole station has been rebuilt and a Perspex roof fitted over the booking hall and Grand Central Shopping Centre to bring natural light into the station concourse, the original station that was knocked down in the early 1960's as part of the West Coast Electrification was a dump with bomb damage from WW2
The Midlands and we Midlanders need a good underground "tube" system, like the new Elizabeth line in London. We should have the same well integrated Public transport system that the Londoners enjoy and have enjoyed for decades. HS2 will only benefit people living close to the few Stations on the route. To use HS2 I would have to travel for at least 40 minutes, more realistically a full hour. Using my local station, Atherstone; from home I can be in Euston in less than an hour and a half. Why would I spend an hour travelling to Brum, to then spend another hour getting to Euston? Bear in mind that HS2 won't take you to Euston, it will only take you to Old Oak Common, from where you will then have to catch a tube to Euston or London centre. I wonder if these planners can do joined up writing; they can't do joined up thinking.
Going to Curzon Street Station to go to London Euston, yes London Euston as OOC is only a stop gap as it is not deigned as a terminus station will be no different to going to Birmingham New Street Station at present.
And why is Birmingham an awful place, I take it you have never been to Birmingham and seen how modern Birmingham is, as a Brummie i take offence at people sniping at Birmingham and have never seen the new Birmingham City Centre.
some of the subtitles are a bit off. Should be "storeys' rather than 'stories' , "we stop in Derbyshire" should be "which is up in Derbyshire", "calm footprint" should be "carbon footprint". There may be others.... Fascinating scheme though :)
It is one of the only original Railway station buildings still standing that dates back to Robert Stevenson days of the early Railways, it is called HISTORY
Phase One of the route will impact 0.0005% of England’s ancient woodlands. That’s 25 woods out of England’s 52000- and 85% of those 25 woods will be untouched. That’s very fair for a project of this scale.
@@deaconswayne1894 and unnecessary. That’s a great little stat you managed to find but it doesn’t give much hope to the local people who enjoy those woodlands or the surrounding areas
@@yogi2dab I’m not unsympathetic to those concerns by any means and thanks to extensive consultations and planning, the people will still be able to enjoy the woodlands with minimal impact. Based on the above facts, in my view for a project of its size HS2 offers so much for an incredibly small sacrifice.
@@deaconswayne1894 and all to be able to get to Birmingham, how many minutes faster? It is a very pointless project unfortunately, with a great cost to this country, designed by an incompetent government. If you think the impact is minimal then you need to get out more and see the destruction for yourself. It is not minimal by any stretch. I wouldn’t say that the planning is extensive either given how many times the budget has increased, routes changed/abandoned, do we even know the real cost of this project yet? It started at £55b and the last time I checked it was double that. Not exactly ‘extensive planning’
No mention of the hundreds of sites of outstanding beauty/scientific interest and ancient woodlands being destroyed. I wonder if they are proud to work on those.
@@mrglide7078 Easy to find on the World Wide Wait, which you clearly have access to. Spewtube does not allow the posting of URLs, they are scared of uncomfortable facts. Look up the article by the wildlife trusts and another by the Guardian.
@@archiebald4717 Wildlife Trusts, RSPB, Woodland Trust, The Guardian etc etc etc. No vested interests or one sided reporting there then. Try this - less than 0.0001 of total UK ancient woodland will be destroyed in the construction of HS2
@@mrglide7078 Not interested in percentages at all. Of course there are vested interests. It is vested interests that have destroyed so much of our country, its society, its countryside, et al. It is social housing that the UK desperately needs, not a 20 minute saving of the travel time from London to Birmingham.
Attempting to cover up the appalling wanton destruction of land, woodland and countryside for the biggest white elephant vanity project in modern times.
Fairly sure you've posted the exact same comment on other HS2 vids. I assume you have evidence of these claims. Personal experience? 'Friend of a friend' doesn't count
@@daveydarko5026 Why is it treating locals like crap as in Birmingham no housing has been knocked down except a student accommodation building that has been relocated, all other work for HS2 in Birmingham is utilizing ex Railway land and Factories land, where in Castle Bromwich it encounters a large Housing Estate, HS2 is being tunneled under neath it.
@@daveydarko5026 You are talking rubbish man. so what locals do they treat like crap, and why hasn't HS2 got a business case, it does not require one as it is being built to improve rail journey's from the West Midlands to London thats a business case enough.
But scrap it for Leeds to Manchester & Scotland just another vanity project just as the tunnel/bridge from Scotland to Northern Ireland or the London garden bridge or the acorn project that was promised to Scotland in 2014 carbon capture programme scrapped just as everything else
@@1chish tbf I picked up on that too and for a split second I thought 'decent' = 'satisfactory', not excellent or brilliant. I'm sure it was just a poor choice of phrase
@@1chish No, he is merely conversant with PR English, a kind of superset of ES (Estate Agent), part of the MAR (Marketing) American ultraset of all the english derivatives current in the AmeriMetaVerse
In my part of England it is usual to be understated on a project you work on. Even if internally you think you've created the most important and beautiful piece of scientific/artistic work on Earth, we'd say "my creation is fairly decent" or "it's alright" or "a pretty good job was done of it". Believe this is just a man using common parlance, not a politician who has hired a PR expert and worked with a rehearsed script before being interviewed
Love the project but such a shame how it’s been mismanaged. I wonder how much money has been laundered through this whole project. Probably as many pounds as there are false invoices!
@@beecee2205 Curzon Street was the terminus of the original London to Birmingham railway, so it's significant in terms of railway history. However, the concourse for the new HS2 station will start adjacent to Moor Street Station, and the Metro Digbeth extension will run under the station, so integrating it into the city centre.
Why is it a ludicrous waste of Money !!, it is being built to increase the speed and capacity of trains between Birmingham and the North to London so freeing up space on the existing WCML for other train services, we are being left behind by Europe and the rest of the world in train travel, so where would you have spent this money.
Ugly, tired looking building in today's concept (I fiirst saw it some years ago while on a canal hloliday when it had similar tired buildings around it - and it didn't look so stark), thus I have every expectation that it will have a reanissance (sp) in the noew Magic of HS2. Anything to block the encroachment of shards of glass and steel is welcome! Looking from the front entrance the gloomy deriliction has been replaced by pleasant open streets and greenery - Sooo Brum - I give it 5 and hope tou do as well....
People complain about the cost of the HS2 but when you see this it is money well spent looking after the heritage for future generations. Good work!
Not just for that Spain has high speed lines its the top in Eu and making hs rail lines alone its not spending money bad let than HS2 what kind of professional work is doing whith archeological nature preserving trees architectural buildings preservation etc etc I think its money well spend for the UK roads ( rail, ports, airports, and my opinion defence )spend in a clever way that UK until now its not doing spending good enough or smart enough but in those two manners if spend good and smart UK will gain much more in its global power economy.
This is a great addition to our city😊
Great to restore this old building, have a use for it and to integrate it into the wider plan. I look forward to the day the cafe opens!
It is going to be offices.
@@peterwilliamallen1063 There going to be a cafe on the ground floor.
Love to go back to 1838 and tell Hardwick it would still be standing in almost perfect nick and is just about to be restored in just under 200 years' time. ☺
This deserves to be on the BBC, good on HS2 for this. Demolishing of the Euston Arch was a travesty, I hope one day it could be rebuilt.
Nice one! Brum has such a wealth of history in it's buildings, so it's great to see a fantastic project restoring a fantastic site.
The side columns/arches gave the building nice proportions. It's sad to see those gone. The building seems a bit monolithic on its own.
What's happening with the uncovered old foundations that were shown, are they being preserved?
Think it’s safe to assume so
If you're referring to the uncovered turntable, then yes it is being preserved and being made a feature as part of the frontage area to the new station
Enjoyed your upload today Thanks for sharing.
What was a disgrace was the hotel that adjacent to this structure. Even though it was a listed building Birmingham in it's infinite wisdom demolished it. There were many such buildings that have disappeared because of Birmingham's short sightedness. There was a matching structure in London fronting Euston and as everyone knows even though that too was a listed building it fell to the wrecking ball.
The Doric Arch at Euston was not listed. A decent amount of the stone from the arch has been found and recovered and the iron gates are preserved in the National Railway Museum. There are plans to reconstruct the arch and incorporate it into the new new Euston station but whether they go ahead remains to be seen.
Birmingham Council may not be the world's greatest, but the majority of the destruction of heritage buildings was out of their hands. The buildings were largely privately owned, and the council could only refuse to let them demolish, which is what they often did. However, at the time they had no powers to force an owner to maintain a structure. Consequently, in order to redevelop, the owners simply let the buildings decay until they had to be demolished as they became dangerous.
The demolition of the Victorian central library was the council's responsibility. However, as someone who studied in the old library I can say that it was simply not fit for purpose. To have made it suitable for reuse in another guise would have required so much alteration that little that was original would have remained. Unfortunately, at that time, conversion to residential was not an option as no one then considered living in the centre.
@@johnm2012 can you please elaborate on why you think the central library was unfit for purpose? Was it because it wasn't new and shiny made of concrete and glass? What about our universities they're old and decrepit maybe we should demolish those as being not fit for purpose.
@@peterbattey8263 In afraid I have no opinion about the central library as I never knew the building. I think you meant to ask Bandersnatch instead of me.
@@PLuMUK54 The old Victorian library was in the way of development by Birmingham City Council at the time.
Great to see the old girl being looked after again!
Ace. Looking forward to have a look at the brand new stn. THX
bomb damage repaired quite crudely. This is a major issue with a lot of stuff in the UK, with make do and mend, being the mantra for decades. The problem is when major upgrades comes along they find these temporary repairs or undocumented "fixes" and have to properly fix them. I heard of lines in London that the there is unstable rubble as fill in old bomb craters that has had to be dug out and properly backfilled, which adds not only to cost but time.
And yet that is the new thnking. No longer knock down buildings even if no longer fit for purpose as knocking them down is bad for the environment.
@@bluevan12 asbestos poisoning!..Another! SILENT KILLER!🙀 ( & can occur as many as 50! years! after exposure! & deaths are reaching their peak!, years! after! the widespread!! use! if the carcinogen between the 1950s & 70s!)..
"Brown" Asbestos use is a key reason, why the UK, Australia! & U.S. ..has the highest! Mesothelioma rates in the world!
(blue/brown/white asbestos)..
adhesives, Brake pads!, cement!!, drywall, fireproofing, Gaskets, Insulation, Roofing, Vinyl tiles.
Talc!! is the softest known mineral on earth!..yep! baby! powder!🙀..
Amongst use in, chalk, crayons, paint!, rubber!😳, cosmetics!, ceramics and pharmaceuticals!!
Asbestos degradation "leeches into the environment" and best to leave in situ than remove!..
Because it's everywhere!, it's in the buildings that are forever being pulled down and refurbished, which can make asbestos airborne!!😖
It was reported in 2021! over!! 5,000! deaths per year!!🙀 from asbestos-related disease!..
2019! 2,369 Mesothelioma deaths! with a similar number of lung cancer! deaths due to past exposures to asbestos!..
490! deaths! in 2019 mentioning! Asbestosis! on death certificate!*🙀..
(*excluding deaths that also mention Mesothelioma!)..
These diseases are "long latency" - typically, decades! for symptoms to occur!
However, for cancers such as mesothelioma & lung cancer, cases are often!! rapidly! fatal! following disease onset!!!
While Asbestosis may progress over time and lead to complications which can be fatal!
Here's a few areas with the highest Male Asbestosis smr's (Standardised Mortality Ratios)..1981/2019..
Barrow-in-Furness - deaths 113
Sunderland - deaths 360
Plymouth - deaths 315
Barking & Dagenham- deaths 140
South Tyneside - deaths 147
West Dunbartonshire - deaths 68
Hartlepool - deaths 72
North Tyneside - deaths 156
Inverclyde - deaths 59
Newham - deaths 107..
Female Asbestosis deaths 1981/2019.
There were far fewer deaths among females than males.
SMR's for many areas were therefore associated with considerable uncertainty due to the small numbers observed.
Nevertheless, the results show that certain areas known to be associated with industries with heavy historic asbestos exposures have particularly high SMR's.
The North East region accounted for 128 deaths of the 352 deaths for GB as a whole during 1981/2019.
the top five areas..
Sunderland - 81
Barking & Dagenham - 17
Newham - 13
South Ribble - 7 (but none since before the year 2000)
Darlington - 6
Data from Health and Safety Executive Asbestosis Register.
& this is just a snippet! of worldwide use! & deaths!😖
The country was bankrupt because of the war, everything was either worn out or damaged, it was patched up because that's all they could afford.
Having recorded and if possible merely re-covered them with soil, it would be nice if the layout of the stone foundations was relaid in/on the new surface directly above the true location, it would be as close as possible to walking thru the original terminus complex, you'd 'get' the relationship with the station and some idea of the sheer size of the area a station and ancilliary buildings took up in the mid 19c. Though I hope it gets reburied and not dug up, if it has to go to another location as some will be covered in new builds, cant we still have the stones in the correct locations, anywhere that is in open space? I think it would be fascinating to see a skeleton of the past peeking up from under the present. times spent seeking them all out 😊
Please make sure the windows and metal work are painted back to their original colours. White windows and black railings are a 1960's invention.
WHat about you he world's first rail way Booking Office , on the world's first passenger railway, at Stockton on Tees ? You would barely got think it existed !
My hometown
@@njp9554 8 miles from me !
@@davidsaunders1125 utb
Dont worry its the other end thats got the probs...Asked 'where was the first passenger railway, ever?' the reply often starts, "Oh aye, the Stockton and... yet the Stockton and..... bloody 'ell, where did it go to?" Silence "You know, it had to somewhere, where was it?" more, even quieter silence. People may not be raving about Stockton much nowadays, but none of the currently alive can remember that other place at all!!
Is it being cleaned?
New lease of life , brilliant
Nice One 😊
Looking forward to all those buildings in the North being restored.
Oh.
I do feel for Leeds, as I think they have been royally screwed over...and I say that as a Brummie.
It is a lovely city with great buzz about it, and the skyline isn't too shabby either.
@@mrglide7078 well work and contracts won't be signed for years, so the people of the north know who they need to vote out and who they need to vote in to get HS2 completed.
What building in the North being restored !!!!
pity birmingham city council dont try and save other places that are still being used, such as birmngham wheels.
It's a grade 1 listed building...
The image of Curzon Street Station at 0:58 shews the original fully balanced structure. These side-wings should have been re-built to give a balanced view of this important railway structure. Without them it is a stark building which does not stand in its own rite. Unlike the Kings Lynn Customs House which remains architecturally balanced, Curzon Street Station building does not.
I know CAGs are exaggerated but looking at the visualisation from 01:22 onwards and the new(ish) buildings to the right of this old building and then the site as it is now @ 03:53 one has to wonder if they will be demolished?
No. All demolition has already been completed and those buildings are staying.
@@TheCam1966 I thought it looked wrong. Thanks.
Took me a couple of views to get it. The back of the building is the same design as the front. So the computer mock up is looking in the opposite direction.
Saw this on ‘The architecture that railways built’ but they wouldn’t let poor old Tim Dunn inside!
How much of the original interior have you ripped out?
Would be nice if they would rebuild the turntable above the original, and made it interactive so it can be moved by hand. (like I giant round about found in parks)
Then Use block paving to recreate the original track and roundhouse 😉
I wonder why the original crest shown in the drawings was chipped off? Bet it won’t be replaced.
Birmingham New Street is modern and practical but it’s a maze of unfathomable tunnels to the newcomer and the usual chain store shops. And those huge, scary steps down to the platforms when your train has just been announced and there’s a queue for the lifts. Sad the original station has gone.
So you haven't been to the new third New Street Station, there are no scary steps any more the whole station has been rebuilt and a Perspex roof fitted over the booking hall and Grand Central Shopping Centre to bring natural light into the station concourse, the original station that was knocked down in the early 1960's as part of the West Coast Electrification was a dump with bomb damage from WW2
The Midlands and we Midlanders need a good underground "tube" system, like the new Elizabeth line in London. We should have the same well integrated Public transport system that the Londoners enjoy and have enjoyed for decades. HS2 will only benefit people living close to the few Stations on the route. To use HS2 I would have to travel for at least 40 minutes, more realistically a full hour. Using my local station, Atherstone; from home I can be in Euston in less than an hour and a half. Why would I spend an hour travelling to Brum, to then spend another hour getting to Euston? Bear in mind that HS2 won't take you to Euston, it will only take you to Old Oak Common, from where you will then have to catch a tube to Euston or London centre. I wonder if these planners can do joined up writing; they can't do joined up thinking.
Going to Curzon Street Station to go to London Euston, yes London Euston as OOC is only a stop gap as it is not deigned as a terminus station will be no different to going to Birmingham New Street Station at present.
hopefully will make birmingham less of an awful place. nice preservation.
And why is Birmingham an awful place, I take it you have never been to Birmingham and seen how modern Birmingham is, as a Brummie i take offence at people sniping at Birmingham and have never seen the new Birmingham City Centre.
some of the subtitles are a bit off. Should be "storeys' rather than 'stories' , "we stop in Derbyshire" should be "which is up in Derbyshire", "calm footprint" should be "carbon footprint". There may be others.... Fascinating scheme though :)
probably the auto generated ones. great one listed
I think we should have more buildings built within this design, to be honest.
Seems to be marooned in a bland urban jungle at the moment.
It certainly looks that way - it's very, erm...brownfield right now; it will be transformed once everything is completed
When the new Birmingham Curzon Street Station is finished, this will not be a bland urban jungle and this building will be a part of it
I just don't understand the attraction of this building. It's a cubic block and that's all.
Your ignorance is astounding.
@@markhemming318 Educate me then.
@@LesD9 Google is your friend... 👍
It is one of the only original Railway station buildings still standing that dates back to Robert Stevenson days of the early Railways, it is called HISTORY
While you’re at it, tear down all the shit that was made in the 60’s.
We can only live in hope...I have a few personal 'favourites' in central Brum where I would happily push the plunger 😂
@@mrglide7078 the town planners finished off what the Germans started.
Well again some one who has never been to Birmingham, there are hardly any buildings from the 1960's left in Birmingham now.
In April 2024 it looks like they’re given up on this refurbishment ~ no money.
Restore a building, destroy ancient woodland. That’s HS2 people
They do that when they either build Motorways or rebuild trunk roads.
Phase One of the route will impact 0.0005% of England’s ancient woodlands. That’s 25 woods out of England’s 52000- and 85% of those 25 woods will be untouched. That’s very fair for a project of this scale.
@@deaconswayne1894 and unnecessary. That’s a great little stat you managed to find but it doesn’t give much hope to the local people who enjoy those woodlands or the surrounding areas
@@yogi2dab I’m not unsympathetic to those concerns by any means and thanks to extensive consultations and planning, the people will still be able to enjoy the woodlands with minimal impact. Based on the above facts, in my view for a project of its size HS2 offers so much for an incredibly small sacrifice.
@@deaconswayne1894 and all to be able to get to Birmingham, how many minutes faster? It is a very pointless project unfortunately, with a great cost to this country, designed by an incompetent government. If you think the impact is minimal then you need to get out more and see the destruction for yourself. It is not minimal by any stretch. I wouldn’t say that the planning is extensive either given how many times the budget has increased, routes changed/abandoned, do we even know the real cost of this project yet? It started at £55b and the last time I checked it was double that. Not exactly ‘extensive planning’
No mention of the hundreds of sites of outstanding beauty/scientific interest and ancient woodlands being destroyed. I wonder if they are proud to work on those.
Mister Archie Bald, wait until you find out about RIS2...
'Hundreds' of sites 'destroyed' - examples and figures please
@@mrglide7078 Easy to find on the World Wide Wait, which you clearly have access to. Spewtube does not allow the posting of URLs, they are scared of uncomfortable facts. Look up the article by the wildlife trusts and another by the Guardian.
@@archiebald4717 Wildlife Trusts, RSPB, Woodland Trust, The Guardian etc etc etc. No vested interests or one sided reporting there then.
Try this - less than 0.0001 of total UK ancient woodland will be destroyed in the construction of HS2
@@mrglide7078 Not interested in percentages at all. Of course there are vested interests. It is vested interests that have destroyed so much of our country, its society, its countryside, et al. It is social housing that the UK desperately needs, not a 20 minute saving of the travel time from London to Birmingham.
The background buildings looks like a 2nd rate American city, what a shame Victorian Birmingham was destroyed.
Much as I love to see historic buildings restored, I believe that HS2, is a project which should have been cancelled 2 or 3 years ago.
Attempting to cover up the appalling wanton destruction of land, woodland and countryside for the biggest white elephant vanity project in modern times.
awful company that treat locasl like crap. total waste of money. no business case at all.
Fairly sure you've posted the exact same comment on other HS2 vids. I assume you have evidence of these claims. Personal experience? 'Friend of a friend' doesn't count
@@mrglide7078 yep, because it’s true!! 👍
@@daveydarko5026 Why is it treating locals like crap as in Birmingham no housing has been knocked down except a student accommodation building that has been relocated, all other work for HS2 in Birmingham is utilizing ex Railway land and Factories land, where in Castle Bromwich it encounters a large Housing Estate, HS2 is being tunneled under neath it.
@@peterwilliamallen1063 have a read. You ain’t worth the time explaining it to.
@@daveydarko5026 You are talking rubbish man. so what locals do they treat like crap, and why hasn't HS2 got a business case, it does not require one as it is being built to improve rail journey's from the West Midlands to London thats a business case enough.
meanwhile destroying Britain's oldest forests . . .
But scrap it for Leeds to Manchester & Scotland just another vanity project just as the tunnel/bridge from Scotland to Northern Ireland or the London garden bridge or the acorn project that was promised to Scotland in 2014 carbon capture programme scrapped just as everything else
Oh, ok then. I'll have a word 🙄
@@mrglide7078 with yourself 😂
You mean your not going to pull it down lol
Luv the building , the rail lines a waste of time. Everyone’s gona be in there selfdriving cars
Wishful thinking...
I loved the comment at the end. refurbish it too a "decent" standard. That means it's going to look tacky on completion
You must live in a very negative world. How sad.
@@1chish tbf I picked up on that too and for a split second I thought 'decent' = 'satisfactory', not excellent or brilliant. I'm sure it was just a poor choice of phrase
@@1chish No, he is merely conversant with PR English, a kind of superset of ES (Estate Agent), part of the MAR (Marketing) American ultraset of all the english derivatives current in the AmeriMetaVerse
I much prefer the mouldy boarded up windows too.....
In my part of England it is usual to be understated on a project you work on. Even if internally you think you've created the most important and beautiful piece of scientific/artistic work on Earth, we'd say "my creation is fairly decent" or "it's alright" or "a pretty good job was done of it". Believe this is just a man using common parlance, not a politician who has hired a PR expert and worked with a rehearsed script before being interviewed
Love the project but such a shame how it’s been mismanaged. I wonder how much money has been laundered through this whole project. Probably as many pounds as there are false invoices!
i love how Curzon street is in the middle of nowhere in Birmingham. and therefore like this whole fiasco, a complete white elephant. well done HS2
@@beecee2205 Curzon Street was the terminus of the original London to Birmingham railway, so it's significant in terms of railway history. However, the concourse for the new HS2 station will start adjacent to Moor Street Station, and the Metro Digbeth extension will run under the station, so integrating it into the city centre.
@@beecee2205 wow, that doesn't sound like a comment with an axe to grind does it? 😂
@@mrglide7078 cannot help if the truth hurts can I :)
@@beecee2205 Except that it's not...and it doesn't.
Not your fault but HS2 is the most ludicrous waste of money since Dido Hardings test n Trace
Well it must be true then if you say so 😉
@@mrglide7078 absolutely £257 billion well spent on something thats going to benefit every single UK taxpayer. oh wait
@@shrike6160 £257billion? Where on earth did you pluck that figure from?
Why is it a ludicrous waste of Money !!, it is being built to increase the speed and capacity of trains between Birmingham and the North to London so freeing up space on the existing WCML for other train services, we are being left behind by Europe and the rest of the world in train travel, so where would you have spent this money.
@@peterwilliamallen1063 Another motorway perhaps which would be 3 or 4 times wider with continuous noise and pollution when built.
Ugly, tired looking building in today's concept
(I fiirst saw it some years ago while on a canal hloliday when it had similar tired buildings around it - and it didn't look so stark), thus I have every expectation that it will have a reanissance (sp) in the noew Magic of HS2. Anything to block the encroachment of shards of
glass and steel is welcome! Looking from the front entrance the gloomy deriliction has been replaced by pleasant open streets and greenery - Sooo Brum - I give it 5 and hope tou do as well....
Énvelopes the building ! not quite... Envelops !! 😁