I read a comment you made about being gay. I’m not trying to be cruel by asking this, I promise. I come from IFB churches too. I’ve preached and even some of my messages have been rejected by some…. I agree there is an overly critical spirit in the IFB movement…. But, is this reason enough to gloss over the scriptures where the Bible is very clear that sex outside of the marriage bed is sin (Hebrews 13.4). Also, marriage is defined clearly in the Bible as being between a man and a woman. I know that there have been times in my life where there was something in my life and it drove me to push away certain people. I fully admit that the IFB has MAJOR issues…. But, I’m worried for your sake…. Worried specifically that you may be driven to publicize these things in order to ignore the sin you openly unashamedly declare. Jesus warned about what’s going on in the IFB movement. He called it the leaven of the Pharisees. Sin is in the heart, not just in the things we do. Obviously, there can be personal convictions which make us unique in the body of Christ, some specific burdens too which set us apart. For Balaam, correction came out of a donkey…. So I believe truth is truth regardless of who it comes out of. You pointing out the issues in the IFB movement doesn’t change what you are or what you are choosing to do in spite of what God’s Word clearly says. I’m not here to say you didn’t place your trust in Christ, or anything like that….. but, I just find it strange that you are openly unashamedly (it seems) supporting your homosexual lifestyle, when God clearly condemns it in His word….
@@elijahshirk8803 Yes, I am very public about being gay. IFB teachings on homosexuality drove me to being su*c*dal and I have C-PTSD from trauma in that c*lt and that’s why I speak up. I’ve done the work to deconstruct the clobber verses and understand the mistranslations. If you really love all people, you would question hate in the name of religion. My spirituality is something I have chosen to keep private. You sound like a follower of Paul, NOT Jesus.
There's always a relentless attack on the churches, I was a musician touring on the road when the Lord saved me over 30yrs ago. What I saw in some churches I attended could have caused me to walk away from the faith. The Lord showed me the war going on in the unseen realm, and it will never stop until he comes again. I have been blessed with incredible pastors over the years. Every church I have been a part of has had something happen to rattle the faith. My hope is fixed on Christ alone, I know that in this world and in the churches we will have trouble.
That’s funny. I feel there’s a relentless attack from churches into our government. We have a right of freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion. I couldn’t care less about what churches do or who goes to them as long as their views stay out of politics, but they don’t, do they? If churches want to discuss politics and mix that with religion, then they need to pay taxes like everyone else who uses their influence on politics.
Does this excuse the behavior of churches because you perceive a “relentless assault” on the church? Also, BJU is a para-church organization and not the church proper, should these “Christian organizations” be held to church standards or something different? My curiosity is piqued.
I am so relieved to find this channel as well as @andrewpledgewrites channel! At 51, I am deconstructing from a life lived under the power of fundamental Christianity. I went to BJE and my father graduated from BJU. Thank you for telling our story. Thank you for giving me a peace to know my feelings are valid.
What a wonderful and articulate young man. Will sign up for podcast, still untangling bad ideas I grew up with. So proud of you guys, best wishes from Scotland 🏴
@@BeyondbjuPodcast going back a few days and reading comments (to ElijahX), actually you poked up even bigger in my estimation. You are doing so much good❤️❤️ by speaking out & reaching loads of folks, but I know the impact of family withdrawal & alienation. It’s important you are doing ok, and have a support network. (Shit, I’m saying same to myself too) ❤️🏴👍
I came so close to attending BJU in the late 1970s and I’m so glad that I didn’t. I attended an IFB church pastored by a BJU grad and that convinced me to attend college elsewhere.
I’ve been going through my old books… I just threw away the Changed Into His Image workbook, For Women Only, Love and Respect and many more. I was never very effected by Jim Berg, but the other books messed me up! It’s so good to have them in the dumpster and waiting for trash pickup! I didn’t want to donate them where people could see my ridiculous notes or think these books were true, and I didn’t see anything about them being recyclable, so that’s why they went to the trash.
I will never forget picking up minister from the Airport flying in from Scotland. He wore a clerical collar. (Scottish Reformed Church) He wanted to go to Bob Jones to look at their Art and go to the bookstore. (I warned him but he wanted to go) Those preacher boys jumped him faster than a chicken on a June bug. It was so embarrassing. I apologized for their rudeness. (1st time in America) They thought he was Roman Catholic such ignorance. Its definitely cultic heterodoxy.
My brother went to BJU in the mid to late '90s. When I first heard the name, I thought it was a joke, both in the full name and the initials. Then I heard about the rules and academics later on and I thought it was out of another time. My brother became stung by Fundamentalism in his teens stung in his teens. He would send money he made from his paper route to the televangelist, Robert Tilton. He spent a lot of time away from home after I left for college under a church group. When we were young we were close, but he chose a different path. He's doing okay now, married to a Canadian woman he met at a Wisconsin bible camp twenty years ago. They never had children. I don't know why, as I never felt close enough to prying about that.
I was given Jim Bergs book at a very tough time in my life I got one chapter in and I knew If i was forced to finish the book I would likely end my life. It was so bad!!
I am not seeing a link to Andrew's podcast? Thank you, Eric, and thank you, Andrew for doing this important work. My mother threatened to send me to BJU, where she was confident they would control me. I wound up not going there, but to a now defunct bible college further north. I did spend several years in a church run by bju grads. Many youth from there went to bju. I always suspected the culture there was not as spiritual as was claimed. I find it sad, very sad, in fact, that the two women who could not say enough good about bju to me died of cancer, very young. Once I find your podcast, Andrew, I will listen.
say "survivor" "victim", "trauma" and throw some minor swear words in stories and you'll get a few to listen at first. then when everything is unverifiable and there is really no way to solve anything I image this will fizzle out.
This is fascinating. I have no affiliation with Bob Jones University whatsoever, except for living in South Carolina for a few years when I was in graduate school. I got very interested in BJU in the early 00s, probably around the time I got interested in Pensacola Christian College. There was a guy called NoBoJo who made a funny website about BJU. He had gone to high school there and suffered trauma, but managed to maintain his sense of humor. I remember thinking both BJU and PCC were culty, and I was shocked that people willingly went there and spent money on tuition. I studied health administration, so I was especially curious about the hospital, where everybody got their healthcare. I will have to check out this podcast. Thanks so much for covering this.
I grew up in an IFB cult and my parents couldn’t afford college yet they tried to force me to go to BJU…Liberty University was far too liberal for them. Needless to say, if they weren’t helping me pay for school than I was an adult who could make my own choice. I went to NIU, a state school and because I couldn’t afford it I became a stripper. That’s how forced religion messes with your head. Needless to say, I’m still alive. I actually have a relationship with God through Jesus but it took a lot for me to get here. Thanks for sharing these horror stories because it makes me feel like less of a freak because of my dysfunctional childhood.❤
I went to Bob Jones Elementary until 5th grade, when we moved up north in 1993. My parents had met at the college. I’m still trying, to this day, to trust my sense of reality. I see some good, some bad and some fugly that came from my experience with it. I’m unfamiliar with Jim Berg other than I was in class with his daughter; I recall her being very liked and outspoken.
At a high school acquaintances that went there after a 2-year Gap After High school. She was expelled when her roommate reported that she had a very small butterfly tattoo on her back. And you have to understand this is not a part of anything that can be seen according to any dress code they have on or off campus
I graduated BJU in 1994, and have soooo many stories about the wrongs everything this 'university' did. Jr was still alive and kicking, and brought in so many evangelists, including Ian Paisley, amongst others from the far right viewpoint. The things that I could tell would in some cases be worse than in a secular university. It is more a center to indoctrinate than a place what embraces critical thinking and open thought. In fact that was absolutely discouraged.
Sorry, but the first time I can remember hearing of BJU back in this earlly 60s was petitioning the SC legislature to allow the student guards carry fully automatic arms to keep us hippies off campus. As somebody pointed out - why would we want to get on BJU grounds ever?
My thing is finally people are getting a voice - finally :) as horrible as these stories are - it happened but now people have a voice. The backlash is satanic - Eric , you now have a voice and are giving others a voice. In sorry Eric for what’s happened to you - it’s disgusting - but not only does this space give you a voice but you are allowing others to have a voice. Thank you Eric - thank you to all the victims that are speaking out - and to you people who are victims and have not yet had a voice or are being silenced - please know this- you are not alone. You are not alone - maybe one day you will be able to share your story . Many of you are being silenced - but not to make this about me - I’m a victim of a Baptist church in the late 80 s into mid 90 s I just shared my story - never doubt what happened to you because victims do that - you are not alone - God bless all out there to hold onto their voice !!!
I’m just curious have you left Christianity? I like your podcast. I’m not asking to be critical. I’m asking to understand how what you report has affected you personally.
Great episode, Eric. Whenever I am accused of being biased or bitter against a person who has inarguably done horrible things, I ask the accuser if they may be worshipping a false god. I have a series on my channel exposing a former new ager who has gone full blown fundie, and I often get her supporters in my comments defending her. They refuse to accept that she's done anything wrong since her conversion. I will ask them Is she human? Is she fallible? Or have you made an idol out of her? That often will get them thinking.
I read all of the comments on Andrew's videos ie. Bob Jones University. I would like to expand the meaning and scope of what he is saying about this system which I think most of you do not understand about this subject. The core idea of what Andrew Is saying is this: this institution is a prime example of the idea of thought control over masses of people. Under a thought control ideation, there is always a hierarchy that presents a lifestyle that is based solely on manmade ideas and prejudices that have been developed over some time. This idea is not at all limited to fundamental Protestant religious mindsets. You can see this sociological construct in Scientology, Polygamous Mormons (FLDS), Amish, Jehovah's Witness, Nazism (Hitler), White Supremacists, Donald Trump adherents to mention a few among thousands of thought control groups. Human beings are prone by their very emotional makeup to being drawn to groups who reflect who they are whether good or bad. That is a fact of human nature. The problem arises when these groupies find their niche group has a horrendous price for belonging and acceptance......THAT PRICE IS FORFEITING THEIR ABILITY TO USE CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS TO ANALYZE WHAT IS ESPOUSED BY THEIR RESPECTIVE GROUPS. It always amounts to this underlying fact. The seriousness of the price to pay is beyond words since it means that what God has given freely has been given up upon an altar of ashes. There may be a few of these duped believers who over time come to a horrifying realization of the seriousness of their decision to embrace dangerous and useless ideas. When these few awakened ones start to question their respective leaders regarding inconsistencies in their teachings, they are dismissed because they have now become dangerous to the very fiber of the control group's thinking. All intelligent people should do a self-review of who they are affiliated with and determine if they still have the power of critical thought that they can FREELY use to question any and everything about their group's core belief system. Without this functioning ability, we become nothing more than slaves to the corrupt thinking of a societal group that has as its mission the control and dominance of the minds of its blind followers.
Great. Who controls 90% of the media, 30% of the White House, 54% of the democrat party, 25% of the Republican Party, dominates the feminist movement, owns all major prom websites, started Hollywood, receives the most foreign aid, has the largest foreign lobbyist group in DC, etc.
I would love to see an episode on Pensacola Christian. I started speaking out against them because they have some really corrupt leadership, rules, etc Being a student there I had the first hand experience
You are down on Christian institutions that teach only one perspective? I wonder if you would express the same sentiments towards secular institutions that are hostile towards anything “Christian” and have no room whatsoever for a “Christian Worldview?” I agree with you about Kolleges like HAC and WCBC as I doubt you could do any meaningful research on other theological perspectives if even just to be informed and to better articulate your objections.
@@PreacherBoys What you biases are only aimed at Religious schools: the Leftists secular Universities are extremely Dogmatic in their one-sided perspective of what they allow on Campus. Last time I checked BJU was a private school : even we at Biola University thought they were hyper fundamentalists. NOT all Christian schools R : your limited knowledge and experience from the IFB is only a cultic form of Christianity that I reject as Authentic Christianity.
@@richarddennis4785I think the big difference is that the secular institutions don’t cover up abuse as bad as these “churches” are. If a teacher at public school was caught fondling a kid the police would be immediately involved. But at these “churches” they silence victims and their families and sometimes even send the abuser to another “church” where they abuse other kids while promoting the abuser as some saint.
April 14- Every Christian every human- every ministry is a reality of trying to live righteous in a fallen human body and life. We are works though in redemption . None have arrived. Your ‘need’ to ‘expose’ BJU is wanton.
So we get it. You're against Independent Baptist Churches. I happen to know that their foundation on Biblical doctrines in regards to Salvation by Grace through faith alone is the only way to the Father. Now I happen to know that you guys are in the Presbyterian church. You've got an awful lot of fallacies to overcome and correct inside your own doctrines before you continue to slam others. You have inherited the practice of baptizing infants who are safe until they grow to the age of accountability and then when they're saved, they're qualified for baptism. Another thing, and you're not the only one, but many of the Baptist pastors, and others have accepted the teaching of John Calvin, who I should mention was born on July 10th 1509. Centuries after the Bible was completed. I'm a Bible believer, I don't need someone telling me their interpretation of the scriptures, especially when I know for a fact that they don't understand. Jesus Christ died on the Cross for the sins of the whole world 🌎. But his blood is not applied to the account of the ones who reject God's Simple Plan of Salvation. And only God has the power to know how to deal with each individual heart. God is the divider of the sheep and the goats, not us. 2 Corinthians 5:15a And that He died for "All." There are good things about any church that preaches the gospel of Jesus Christ. I have never been to Bob Jones University. So I don't know first hand about anything that someone may have done. I do know that the gospel story is a message of love from God to mankind. Only Saved people go to heaven. Amen
I can see the religious triumphalism coming out in you, the religious narcissism that is pervasive within an IBC. Im sorry but religious authoritarianism is not godly in fact it is damaging. These men are trying to point out these satanic qualities that exist within IBC's. Everyone and everything has fallacies, that is just the human condition, nothing is perfect. They are not slamming but educating so others stay away from these demons. You claim to be a Bible believer but you lack one of its main qualities that makes a good Christian, Humility. "Only saved people go to heaven" How do you know who is saved?? are you God??? Do you have a direct line to the Lord God & Jesus?? "Judge lest you be judged" as it goes. I'm not judging you, but calling out your crap. Judging you is above my pay grade and belongs to God. I agree with you that Jesus died for our sins, but do you worship God, or do you bow down & worship at the alter of Christian authoritarianism and their cruel outlook.
Profanity is totally unnecessary and just serves to validate the perception of the IFB establishment that they are nothing more than a couple of disgruntled former fundies!
@@BeyondbjuPodcastWhy is that? Did BJU disapprove of your UnBiblical lifestyle? I'd be interested to hear whether or not they have joined the ranks of the last days apostasy?
I would phrase it differently. "No wonder this intelligent-sounding guy didn't like BJU seeing as how he has the discernment to see through the faux Christianlty that is its stock in trade."
Pensacola was founded by two BJ students back in the day when they were located in Florida back in the 1920’s. The two students thought that BJ SR. was too liberal and made PCC, much to SR’s chagrin. They are inexorably linked and hold vast amounts of animosity towards each other.
I attended a IBC with a BJU pastor back in 80s. We (youth) were a bit more familiar with a handful of schools. BJU, Pensacola, Tennessee Temple, Liberty seemed to get most attention. In our minds,BJU and Pensacola were the strict but acceptable schools. Liberty was less strict but acceptable enough. But I was unaware of the history and perceptions you mentioned regarding Pensacola and BJU. Interesting!
@@richarddennis4785 Oh, the history is pretty funny. There’s plenty of news articles, books, and multimedia about them hammering each other. One of my favorite stories about BJU is when BJ partnered with Jack Hyles at a conference to condemn Billy Graham. It’s funny because BJ and Hyles for all intents and purposes hate each other. I know it doesn’t haven’t anything to do with PCC but it’s a good story :)
Thanks for having me on Eric! You are a fantastic host! 🙌❤️
I read a comment you made about being gay.
I’m not trying to be cruel by asking this, I promise. I come from IFB churches too. I’ve preached and even some of my messages have been rejected by some…. I agree there is an overly critical spirit in the IFB movement…. But, is this reason enough to gloss over the scriptures where the Bible is very clear that sex outside of the marriage bed is sin (Hebrews 13.4). Also, marriage is defined clearly in the Bible as being between a man and a woman.
I know that there have been times in my life where there was something in my life and it drove me to push away certain people. I fully admit that the IFB has MAJOR issues…. But, I’m worried for your sake…. Worried specifically that you may be driven to publicize these things in order to ignore the sin you openly unashamedly declare.
Jesus warned about what’s going on in the IFB movement. He called it the leaven of the Pharisees. Sin is in the heart, not just in the things we do. Obviously, there can be personal convictions which make us unique in the body of Christ, some specific burdens too which set us apart.
For Balaam, correction came out of a donkey…. So I believe truth is truth regardless of who it comes out of. You pointing out the issues in the IFB movement doesn’t change what you are or what you are choosing to do in spite of what God’s Word clearly says.
I’m not here to say you didn’t place your trust in Christ, or anything like that….. but, I just find it strange that you are openly unashamedly (it seems) supporting your homosexual lifestyle, when God clearly condemns it in His word….
I was a student there . . Bad experience... I've had years of counseling as a result.
@@elijahshirk8803 these predators love young boys and girls, doesnt matter if he is gay or not, they are fking predators, period
@@elijahshirk8803 Yes, I am very public about being gay. IFB teachings on homosexuality drove me to being su*c*dal and I have C-PTSD from trauma in that c*lt and that’s why I speak up. I’ve done the work to deconstruct the clobber verses and understand the mistranslations. If you really love all people, you would question hate in the name of religion. My spirituality is something I have chosen to keep private. You sound like a follower of Paul, NOT Jesus.
@@CarolandSamproductionsI’m so sorry 💔
There's always a relentless attack on the churches, I was a musician touring on the road when the Lord saved me over 30yrs ago. What I saw in some churches I attended could have caused me to walk away from the faith. The Lord showed me the war going on in the unseen realm, and it will never stop until he comes again. I have been blessed with incredible pastors over the years. Every church I have been a part of has had something happen to rattle the faith. My hope is fixed on Christ alone, I know that in this world and in the churches we will have trouble.
That's a very mature view.
That’s funny. I feel there’s a relentless attack from churches into our government. We have a right of freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion. I couldn’t care less about what churches do or who goes to them as long as their views stay out of politics, but they don’t, do they? If churches want to discuss politics and mix that with religion, then they need to pay taxes like everyone else who uses their influence on politics.
Does this excuse the behavior of churches because you perceive a “relentless assault” on the church? Also, BJU is a para-church organization and not the church proper, should these “Christian organizations” be held to church standards or something different? My curiosity is piqued.
I am so glad you are discussing this.
I am so relieved to find this channel as well as @andrewpledgewrites channel! At 51, I am deconstructing from a life lived under the power of fundamental Christianity. I went to BJE and my father graduated from BJU. Thank you for telling our story. Thank you for giving me a peace to know my feelings are valid.
Omg Andrew, I binge listened to your podcast a month or two back. So excited you and Eric collaborated again. Thank you so much for this!
Hey! Thank you for listening to the podcast! I’m glad we collaborated again, he’s a great guy.
What a wonderful and articulate young man. Will sign up for podcast, still untangling bad ideas I grew up with. So proud of you guys, best wishes from Scotland 🏴
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@@BeyondbjuPodcast going back a few days and reading comments (to ElijahX), actually you poked up even bigger in my estimation.
You are doing so much good❤️❤️ by speaking out & reaching loads of folks, but I know the impact of family withdrawal & alienation.
It’s important you are doing ok, and have a support network.
(Shit, I’m saying same to myself too) ❤️🏴👍
@@calanm7880 Thank you ❤️
I came so close to attending BJU in the late 1970s and I’m so glad that I didn’t. I attended an IFB church pastored by a BJU grad and that convinced me to attend college elsewhere.
The word is that they used the churches as a “feeder system”. The pastor at one of my childhood churches chose BJU over UCLA.
@@stephenking8104 That’s the phrase they use.
I’ve been going through my old books… I just threw away the Changed Into His Image workbook, For Women Only, Love and Respect and many more. I was never very effected by Jim Berg, but the other books messed me up! It’s so good to have them in the dumpster and waiting for trash pickup! I didn’t want to donate them where people could see my ridiculous notes or think these books were true, and I didn’t see anything about them being recyclable, so that’s why they went to the trash.
As a licensed professional counselor who also grew up in the IFB, I REALLY appreciate the air quotes!!! Lol.
I will never forget picking up minister from the Airport flying in from Scotland. He wore a clerical collar. (Scottish Reformed Church) He wanted to go to Bob Jones to look at their Art and go to the bookstore. (I warned him but he wanted to go) Those preacher boys jumped him faster than a chicken on a June bug. It was so embarrassing. I apologized for their rudeness. (1st time in America) They thought he was Roman Catholic such ignorance. Its definitely cultic heterodoxy.
My brother went to BJU in the mid to late '90s. When I first heard the name, I thought it was a joke, both in the full name and the initials. Then I heard about the rules and academics later on and I thought it was out of another time. My brother became stung by Fundamentalism in his teens stung in his teens. He would send money he made from his paper route to the televangelist, Robert Tilton. He spent a lot of time away from home after I left for college under a church group. When we were young we were close, but he chose a different path. He's doing okay now, married to a Canadian woman he met at a Wisconsin bible camp twenty years ago. They never had children. I don't know why, as I never felt close enough to prying about that.
I was given Jim Bergs book at a very tough time in my life I got one chapter in and I knew If i was forced to finish the book I would likely end my life. It was so bad!!
I’m so sorry. It’s full of dangerous beliefs.
Andrew’s new podcast is excellent. Thanks for featuring it.
I am not seeing a link to Andrew's podcast? Thank you, Eric, and thank you, Andrew for doing this important work. My mother threatened to send me to BJU, where she was confident they would control me. I wound up not going there, but to a now defunct bible college further north. I did spend several years in a church run by bju grads. Many youth from there went to bju. I always suspected the culture there was not as spiritual as was claimed. I find it sad, very sad, in fact, that the two women who could not say enough good about bju to me died of cancer, very young. Once I find your podcast, Andrew, I will listen.
Thank you for the work you do here.
say "survivor" "victim", "trauma" and throw some minor swear words in stories and you'll get a few to listen at first. then when everything is unverifiable and there is really no way to solve anything I image this will fizzle out.
This is fascinating. I have no affiliation with Bob Jones University whatsoever, except for living in South Carolina for a few years when I was in graduate school. I got very interested in BJU in the early 00s, probably around the time I got interested in Pensacola Christian College. There was a guy called NoBoJo who made a funny website about BJU. He had gone to high school there and suffered trauma, but managed to maintain his sense of humor. I remember thinking both BJU and PCC were culty, and I was shocked that people willingly went there and spent money on tuition. I studied health administration, so I was especially curious about the hospital, where everybody got their healthcare.
I will have to check out this podcast. Thanks so much for covering this.
A lot of students are forced to go unfortunately. It’s a strange and abusive place.
I grew up in an IFB cult and my parents couldn’t afford college yet they tried to force me to go to BJU…Liberty University was far too liberal for them.
Needless to say, if they weren’t helping me pay for school than I was an adult who could make my own choice.
I went to NIU, a state school and because I couldn’t afford it I became a stripper.
That’s how forced religion messes with your head.
Needless to say, I’m still alive. I actually have a relationship with God through Jesus but it took a lot for me to get here.
Thanks for sharing these horror stories because it makes me feel like less of a freak because of my dysfunctional childhood.❤
We need to hear your full story. Have you done any interviews?
Wait a minute… I have already seen your video about your husband’s testimony. Wow, small world. God bless you!
I went to Bob Jones Elementary until 5th grade, when we moved up north in 1993. My parents had met at the college. I’m still trying, to this day, to trust my sense of reality. I see some good, some bad and some fugly that came from my experience with it. I’m unfamiliar with Jim Berg other than I was in class with his daughter; I recall her being very liked and outspoken.
Link to the fashion show episode plz? Never heard of it!
At a high school acquaintances that went there after a 2-year Gap After High school. She was expelled when her roommate reported that she had a very small butterfly tattoo on her back. And you have to understand this is not a part of anything that can be seen according to any dress code they have on or off campus
I graduated BJU in 1994, and have soooo many stories about the wrongs everything this 'university' did. Jr was still alive and kicking, and brought in so many evangelists, including Ian Paisley, amongst others from the far right viewpoint. The things that I could tell would in some cases be worse than in a secular university. It is more a center to indoctrinate than a place what embraces critical thinking and open thought. In fact that was absolutely discouraged.
Ian Paisley 1973 at bj. Great memory
When Eric said "Helly-wood," I lost it lmao
Sorry, but the first time I can remember hearing of BJU back in this earlly 60s was petitioning the SC legislature to allow the student guards carry fully automatic arms to keep us hippies off campus. As somebody pointed out - why would we want to get on BJU grounds ever?
Went to the school. It was strict, yeah. But I loved it.
My thing is finally people are getting a voice - finally :) as horrible as these stories are - it happened but now people have a voice. The backlash is satanic - Eric , you now have a voice and are giving others a voice. In sorry Eric for what’s happened to you - it’s disgusting - but not only does this space give you a voice but you are allowing others to have a voice. Thank you Eric - thank you to all the victims that are speaking out - and to you people who are victims and have not yet had a voice or are being silenced - please know this- you are not alone. You are not alone - maybe one day you will be able to share your story . Many of you are being silenced - but not to make this about me - I’m a victim of a Baptist church in the late 80 s into mid 90 s I just shared my story - never doubt what happened to you because victims do that - you are not alone - God bless all out there to hold onto their voice !!!
While I agree BJU needs a lot of scrutiny, but is the bad language really necessary?
Fuck yeah it is
I’m just curious have you left Christianity? I like your podcast. I’m not asking to be critical. I’m asking to understand how what you report has affected you personally.
I want to sign up for podcasts
20yr old thinks he has to "expose" them. lol It's like getting advice from someone who has no experience. Anyone can gossip.
sounds like Scientology culture
Why police and gorvenment is doing nothing about this?!!
“Freedom of religion”
Ya why not full on fascist utopia huh??
Great episode, Eric. Whenever I am accused of being biased or bitter against a person who has inarguably done horrible things, I ask the accuser if they may be worshipping a false god. I have a series on my channel exposing a former new ager who has gone full blown fundie, and I often get her supporters in my comments defending her. They refuse to accept that she's done anything wrong since her conversion. I will ask them Is she human? Is she fallible? Or have you made an idol out of her? That often will get them thinking.
I don't get your comment; hun
This podcast has to be parody at this point...
I read all of the comments on Andrew's videos ie. Bob Jones University. I would like to expand the meaning and scope of what he is saying about this system which I think most of you do not understand about this subject. The core idea of what Andrew Is saying is this: this institution is a prime example of the idea of thought control over masses of people. Under a thought control ideation, there is always a hierarchy that presents a lifestyle that is based solely on manmade ideas and prejudices that have been developed over some time. This idea is not at all limited to fundamental Protestant religious mindsets. You can see this sociological construct in Scientology, Polygamous Mormons (FLDS), Amish, Jehovah's Witness, Nazism (Hitler), White Supremacists, Donald Trump adherents to mention a few among thousands of thought control groups. Human beings are prone by their very emotional makeup to being drawn to groups who reflect who they are whether good or bad. That is a fact of human nature. The problem arises when these groupies find their niche group has a horrendous price for belonging and acceptance......THAT PRICE IS FORFEITING THEIR ABILITY TO USE CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS TO ANALYZE WHAT IS ESPOUSED BY THEIR RESPECTIVE GROUPS. It always amounts to this underlying fact. The seriousness of the price to pay is beyond words since it means that what God has given freely has been given up upon an altar of ashes. There may be a few of these duped believers who over time come to a horrifying realization of the seriousness of their decision to embrace dangerous and useless ideas. When these few awakened ones start to question their respective leaders regarding inconsistencies in their teachings, they are dismissed because they have now become dangerous to the very fiber of the control group's thinking. All intelligent people should do a self-review of who they are affiliated with and determine if they still have the power of critical thought that they can FREELY use to question any and everything about their group's core belief system. Without this functioning ability, we become nothing more than slaves to the corrupt thinking of a societal group that has as its mission the control and dominance of the minds of its blind followers.
Great. Who controls 90% of the media, 30% of the White House, 54% of the democrat party, 25% of the Republican Party, dominates the feminist movement, owns all major prom websites, started Hollywood, receives the most foreign aid, has the largest foreign lobbyist group in DC, etc.
Well what do you know he can cuss ? Wow , what an achievement !
✅ good video
I would love to see an episode on Pensacola Christian. I started speaking out against them because they have some really corrupt leadership, rules, etc Being a student there I had the first hand experience
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You are down on Christian institutions that teach only one perspective? I wonder if you would express the same sentiments towards secular institutions that are hostile towards anything “Christian” and have no room whatsoever for a “Christian Worldview?”
I agree with you about Kolleges like HAC and WCBC as I doubt you could do any meaningful research on other theological perspectives if even just to be informed and to better articulate your objections.
Yeah I’m against any institutions that don’t allow a variety of perspectives to exist in discussion.
Can’t be more clear than that. 🤷🏻♂️
@@PreacherBoysThen you should be against all secular Universities as they shut down Free speech of anyone NOT leftist.
The left
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What you biases are only aimed at Religious schools: the Leftists secular Universities are extremely Dogmatic in their one-sided perspective of what they allow on Campus.
Last time I checked BJU was a private school : even we at Biola University thought they were hyper fundamentalists.
NOT all Christian schools R : your limited knowledge and experience from the IFB is only a cultic form of Christianity that I reject as Authentic Christianity.
How exactly is a secular institution supposed to make room for a Christian worldview? What does that even mean?
@@richarddennis4785I think the big difference is that the secular institutions don’t cover up abuse as bad as these “churches” are. If a teacher at public school was caught fondling a kid the police would be immediately involved. But at these “churches” they silence victims and their families and sometimes even send the abuser to another “church” where they abuse other kids while promoting the abuser as some saint.
April 14- Every Christian every human- every ministry is a reality of trying to live righteous in a fallen human body and life. We are works though in redemption . None have arrived. Your ‘need’ to ‘expose’ BJU is wanton.
So we get it. You're against Independent Baptist Churches. I happen to know that their foundation on Biblical doctrines in regards to Salvation by Grace through faith alone is the only way to the Father. Now I happen to know that you guys are in the Presbyterian church. You've got an awful lot of fallacies to overcome and correct inside your own doctrines before you continue to slam others. You have inherited the practice of baptizing infants who are safe until they grow to the age of accountability and then when they're saved, they're qualified for baptism. Another thing, and you're not the only one, but many of the Baptist pastors, and others have accepted the teaching of John Calvin, who I should mention was born on July 10th 1509. Centuries after the Bible was completed. I'm a Bible believer, I don't need someone telling me their interpretation of the scriptures, especially when I know for a fact that they don't understand. Jesus Christ died on the Cross for the sins of the whole world 🌎. But his blood is not applied to the account of the ones who reject God's Simple Plan of Salvation. And only God has the power to know how to deal with each individual heart. God is the divider of the sheep and the goats, not us.
2 Corinthians 5:15a
And that He died for "All." There are good things about any church that preaches the gospel of Jesus Christ. I have never been to Bob Jones University. So I don't know first hand about anything that someone may have done. I do know that the gospel story is a message of love from God to mankind. Only Saved people go to heaven. Amen
I’m not, and never have been, Presbyterian. 🤔
I can see the religious triumphalism coming out in you, the religious narcissism that is pervasive within an IBC. Im sorry but religious authoritarianism is not godly in fact it is damaging. These men are trying to point out these satanic qualities that exist within IBC's. Everyone and everything has fallacies, that is just the human condition, nothing is perfect. They are not slamming but educating so others stay away from these demons. You claim to be a Bible believer but you lack one of its main qualities that makes a good Christian, Humility. "Only saved people go to heaven" How do you know who is saved?? are you God??? Do you have a direct line to the Lord God & Jesus?? "Judge lest you be judged" as it goes. I'm not judging you, but calling out your crap. Judging you is above my pay grade and belongs to God. I agree with you that Jesus died for our sins, but do you worship God, or do you bow down & worship at the alter of Christian authoritarianism and their cruel outlook.
Oh look, an anti-Presbyterian comment in tract form, how quaint and benign :) thanks for the memories
BJU=Bum Jack University.
ten four
Bob Jones University it is a cult!
4:51 WOW! This guy even knows the F word. How impressive. Sorry, Eric, you lost ne on this one.
Profanity is totally unnecessary and just serves to validate the perception of the IFB establishment that they are nothing more than a couple of disgruntled former fundies!
Oh no! I really need your approval… 🥺😜
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@@BeyondbjuPodcastWhy is that? Did BJU disapprove of your UnBiblical lifestyle? I'd be interested to hear whether or not they have joined the ranks of the last days apostasy?
No wonder this girly sounding guy didn't like BJU.
Well, I’m not the only one who had a bad experience. And yes, I’m obviously gay. Move along Billy Bob. 😒
I would phrase it differently. "No wonder this intelligent-sounding guy didn't like BJU seeing as how he has the discernment to see through the faux Christianlty that is its stock in trade."
I didn’t realize you were gay but now it all makes sense.
@@BeyondbjuPodcastI Laodicea the problem here. Probably too generous at that.
Yes, because AD Hom. attacks certainly validate your assertions, well done.
What was the reference to Pensacola when bju is in Greenville?
Pensacola was founded by two BJ students back in the day when they were located in Florida back in the 1920’s. The two students thought that BJ SR. was too liberal and made PCC, much to SR’s chagrin. They are inexorably linked and hold vast amounts of animosity towards each other.
I attended a IBC with a BJU pastor back in 80s. We (youth) were a bit more familiar with a handful of schools. BJU, Pensacola, Tennessee Temple, Liberty seemed to get most attention. In our minds,BJU and Pensacola were the strict but acceptable schools. Liberty was less strict but acceptable enough. But I was unaware of the history and perceptions you mentioned regarding Pensacola and BJU. Interesting!
@@richarddennis4785 Oh, the history is pretty funny. There’s plenty of news articles, books, and multimedia about them hammering each other. One of my favorite stories about BJU is when BJ partnered with Jack Hyles at a conference to condemn Billy Graham. It’s funny because BJ and Hyles for all intents and purposes hate each other. I know it doesn’t haven’t anything to do with PCC but it’s a good story :)