Awful Coaching was not even listening and responding to Pen. He was more so just presenting his talking points. Wish there had been a more balanced exchange of ideas. Respect to both creators! 🙌
@@GOATiology I don't know why Awful Coaching would deserve respect. His angry act appeals to ignorant people, he has low integrity as a creator, and he croftly ignored attempts of exchanging ideas equally with a smaller channel.
Regardless of what you guys think of awful coaching he’s spitting facts.. only thing pensare is really saying is… /‘we are bad because personnel’ AC IS SAYING even with bad personnel some of these mistakes are indefensible.. DARKO GETS PRAISE FOR MOVEMNT OFFENCE LOLwhat about that defence lol
@@penkima4923agree or disagree, as much time as I've spent hating on other content creators, there's always a mutual respect for anyone who grinds on YT.
@@pensarebasketball AC doesn't grind the YT. He took the corrupt path. Or, well, he possibly did grind for a while, but flushed all that work down the toilet and became a sell-out.
This awful coach guy’s listening skills are about as bad as the defensive issues he is accusing the raptors of having. How about stopping to acknowledge and discuss Pens points instead of constantly just going to the next play to complain about.
What's Pen's points? We don't have the defensive personnel, so we're screwed. Lol. AC was right, there's no adjustments. Pen just blamed bad defensive players. While AC just went through clip from clip. Showing us what we're doing, and why it's wrong. It's was amateur hour from Pen TBH
Listen man, I can tell you that you need to ice the screen or scram switch onto Joel Embiid. But if you're a shit defender who is giving up 60lbs, this doesn't matter. This isn't amateur hour for me. This is you fundamentally not understanding basketball well enough to form an opinion. I wasn't sitting there saying "this is great defense". I'm sitting there telling you Gradey f**king Dick can't guard Jalen Green in space. It's physics.
@@joepal843 Also it doesn’t matter if you think pens points are valid or not. When debating someone you acknowledge and address each others stances. If you think someone’s take or opinion is ridiculous make a counter point as to why. When you just ignore people and continue on to the next thing to complain about no learning is accomplished for anyone.
@@pensarebasketball Gradey of course can't guard Jalen. If Jakobi called out you have help on the left, Gradey can cheat right. Gradey's not dumb. If he's guarding Jalen blind, he's a dead man walking. If he cheated right, forced Jalen into the help, and least he's got a chance. It's a team game. Communicate There's ways to get our defense better besides waiting for a saviour in the draft, or "capable personnel". We can develop here right?
@@a_proper_snail DId Pen address our lack of communication, our drop defense in PnR. Besides saying we don't have the personnel, and our players are bad at defense. It's a soft argument. It leaves no room for improvement. Adjust, coach the guys up. All our players are young, you realize they can get better right? SMH
Dude "casually" joined the chat, and said let me get on my laptop, where he had 30 clips loaded up, and had zero interest in listening to any argument. While Rob talks, he's just clicking away, loading up his next clip, and saying "yeah".
This was it. This was fire. If anyone missed the live, the lead up was awesome. Pen was doing a live about Darkos coaching and getting heated with all the chat trolls. Then it comes comes to a head with Awful Coaching spontaneously appearing in chat. Pen say: if you real call in. AC gets laptop and it is on like Megatron! This was such a contrast of viewpoints and methods of analysts. Both said a lot and the viewer reaped the rewards. Raps fans get to see a breakdown from a non raps fan looking at and exposing the players in respect to how they should play and communicate. Makes Pens points that Raps personnel just not up to snuff; Both gradey and RJ exposed on D proving Raps really not going far in playoffs with both Def liability on floor at same time. Bruh. AC LOVES to talk but eyo he did allow Pen to get his points across too. Great convo. Bigs ups AC for coming LIVE to chat and to Pen for shouting out Awful Coaching. Legit this moment so healthy for the basketball content creation space. 4QG!! Lfgoooooo!
None of this analysis means anything until the Raps get relatively healthy. They started two rookies last night and a 2nd year guy, the results won't give you credible information.
Angry coach does not listen. He is complaining about players always not communicating on defense meanwhile he is unable to effectively communicate. He is not even listening half the discussion. Its like he is reading off a script or preoccupied. The worst part was him showing his screen where he can actually flick through clips instead of engaging in the discussion.
TIL AC isnt just a schtick for YT. If he wants to be taken more seriously he needs to learn to breakdown high level offenses too. NBA teams eat by finding the defensive holes and exploiting. If on a breakdown a player does what AC recommends and the help rotates properly, its not like the offense will try the same shot. They will swing the ball (spoiler: ball travels faster than players) and exploit the next defensive weakness. AC could breakdown a game from the 2004 Spurs to show their defensive breakdowns and call coach Pop an idiot.
-Blames Darko for every defensive error. -No credit to Darko for any offense. -The players somehow have no factor in either (according to AC). -He talks like the Raptors lose every game 100-0. -Certified 🤡
Say what you will about Awful Coaching, but credit to him for not running away from Pensare and doing this chat. Happy they both at least didnt devolve into some shouting match. Happy these two were able to talk it up in a relativepy civil way.
I think a good way to come to some agreement would be to examine plays where the offense was so good, that they scored in spite of excellent defense. Awful Coaching sometimes highlights these kinds of plays when he breaks down offense rather than defense. This would help establish the limits of defense, and what coaches are responsible for.
20:23 - if Gradey steps in, to jam Bam, then Bam is essentially setting a screen on Gradey for a wide open Duncan Robinson 3. I think the best thing is to have Jakob just abandon Herro and get back to rim, have Ochai help double Herro. With Butler cutting to the rim, it's more of a crowded pass if Herro decides to make one.
I enjoy AC content from time to time. There was something just so strange about the way he was interacting (or not) with you when he called in, essentially not responding to the points you were trying to make. I was very surprised when he claimed to be a regular listener at the end, because he didn't recognize Ochai and Ja'Kobe in the videos, and didn't know how to properly pronounce "Mogbo", which I would have assumed would be second nature for a regular listener.
Gradey Dick, Rj Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, Scottie Barnes, Ochai Agbaji, Ja Kobe Walter, Bruce Brown, Davion Mitchell, Jamal Shead What even is this mix of guards/sf’s? Who’s who? What’s what? If this is about Darko, one thing is for sure, The roster will be tweaked this year and majorly changed in the off season. Assuming Darko sticks he’ll be judged on next season and not the prior two seasons. He was evaluated last year for competence and this season is a pass. He will be scrutinized hard next season.
This was a tape breakdown masterclass. AC has perfected his craft. We can blame, personnel, and defensive talent, but AC is 100% correct, you don't need to be a DPOY to communicate. That's on coaching
No, you do need defensive personnel to make these types of decisions in real time. It's easy to say Gradey needs to push Jalen Green left or right, it's hard to actually do that in real time because Green has every counter in the world to sink a defender like Gradey 10/10 times in space.
@pensarebasketball if it was communicated to Gradey there was 3 defenders to the left, couldn't Gradey cheat right on green? That tape analysis AC just pulled up on the fly was eye opening. Doing the same things over and over expecting a different result. I get we don't have DPOY talent but lack of communication is inexcusable.
Even if you wan't to blame it on coaching, how is nitpicking defensive schemes Darko's fault when Pat Delany is the defensive coordinator for the Raptors?
@@medved4030 I wasn't nitpicking Darko. There's multiple coaches on the team. But from every level of basketball JV to pro, coaches stress floor communication I don't care if the other team scores, as long as they're talking and making the right reads on defense. For AC to just pop up random film, and rip it to shreds over and over. There's obviously a problem there
@@joepal843 4 pt difference in the Raptors - Rockets game. If I slowed down film and analysed the Rockets I could find alot of issues. They had breakdown in communication in the first half of the game and a bunch of turnovers. Does that mean Imme Udoka is to blame for the lack of communication? No. Pull up any of the Raptors games and u will see that in nearly all of them they were competitive and lost by only a small margin.
@@pensarebasketball You didn't come across as a homer in this instance. You based your takes on stats, and valid observations and insightful conclusions. And fitting especially this video, you didn't yell.
Darko is an excellent player-development coach and one of the best in the league. Just look at the improvement of Gradey Dick, Agbaji, Scottie Barnes. Darko's 0.5 offense philosophy has been a godsend. The team is playing quick pace, selfless basketball which is refreshing to see from the stagnant ISO-heavy Nick Nurse era. If you are criticizing his defensive schemes, Pat Delany has been appointed the defensive coordinator for the Raptors.
Good for him to show up though. I can respect that. I do agree, the raps are not exactly a defensive power house right now right. There are a lot of mental lapses. But that’s ok, actually that’s great right now. Because we need a top 8 pick bad
LOL, your guest must have asked 'Who's this guy!!!!!!', at least 3-4 times about Jakobe Walter. Ok guest, we hear you. Many rookies here. They are learning. ROME wasn't built in a day! But it was entertaining listening to your excited guest.
Lets ignore Darko's 0.5 offense, the quick pace, selfless basketball which is refreshing to see from the stagnant ISO-heavy Nick Nurse era. Lets ignore the player-development improvement of Gradey Dick, Agbaji, Scottie Barnes. Instead, lets nitpick on defensive schemes and blame it on Darko even though Pat Delany is the defensive coordinator. Gimme a break...
This was hard to listen to. AC loves to hear the sound of his own voice and his opinions. Is the Raptors defence bad? Yeah. is it coaching? Not really. Is it because of the players? Absolutely. They don’t have enough players that want to play D
AC would be correct if the Raptors were trying to make the playoffs or if they had a team of experienced NBA players. He knows that they are in the first year of a rebuild and he admits that he rarely watches the Raptors play so his opinions about the Raptors are flawed. The people who think that Darko is a lousy coach have no idea of how many players have progressed since he was hired.
Watching this is uncanny. AC doesn't seem like he wants to break character and keeps shouting his stock phrases. He's incapable of discussing anything beyond the x's and o's of a specific play, and isn't really responding to Rob whenever he tries to provide context about the team.
Coaching to lose, he leaves players in when they should not - this guest basically said he doesnt watch a lot of tape, why have him on? Glad you took him on. Click man, he's a click man.
I wanted to understand what AC wanted on that Simons drive. More from Gordon once Simons got the drive right? Playing the scouting report says Simons is 90% not passing to the corner. Or did he want Westbrook to open up middle to funnel him into help. I wanted to understand that before we could even talk about Jokić rotations or the Russ gamble on the shot. I feel a smart-ER defender pushes him left.
@ lol forcing someone to help takes no skill strength nothing stop it these are NBA players they should not be getting paid millions if they are not able to force a guy middle
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Awful Coaching was not even listening and responding to Pen. He was more so just presenting his talking points.
Wish there had been a more balanced exchange of ideas.
Respect to both creators! 🙌
@@GOATiology I don't know why Awful Coaching would deserve respect. His angry act appeals to ignorant people, he has low integrity as a creator, and he croftly ignored attempts of exchanging ideas equally with a smaller channel.
Regardless of what you guys think of awful coaching he’s spitting facts.. only thing pensare is really saying is… /‘we are bad because personnel’ AC IS SAYING even with bad personnel some of these mistakes are indefensible.. DARKO GETS PRAISE FOR MOVEMNT OFFENCE LOLwhat about that defence lol
@@penkima4923agree or disagree, as much time as I've spent hating on other content creators, there's always a mutual respect for anyone who grinds on YT.
@@pensarebasketball AC doesn't grind the YT. He took the corrupt path. Or, well, he possibly did grind for a while, but flushed all that work down the toilet and became a sell-out.
This awful coach guy’s listening skills are about as bad as the defensive issues he is accusing the raptors of having. How about stopping to acknowledge and discuss Pens points instead of constantly just going to the next play to complain about.
What's Pen's points? We don't have the defensive personnel, so we're screwed. Lol. AC was right, there's no adjustments. Pen just blamed bad defensive players. While AC just went through clip from clip. Showing us what we're doing, and why it's wrong. It's was amateur hour from Pen TBH
Listen man, I can tell you that you need to ice the screen or scram switch onto Joel Embiid. But if you're a shit defender who is giving up 60lbs, this doesn't matter.
This isn't amateur hour for me. This is you fundamentally not understanding basketball well enough to form an opinion. I wasn't sitting there saying "this is great defense". I'm sitting there telling you Gradey f**king Dick can't guard Jalen Green in space. It's physics.
@@joepal843 Also it doesn’t matter if you think pens points are valid or not. When debating someone you acknowledge and address each others stances. If you think someone’s take or opinion is ridiculous make a counter point as to why. When you just ignore people and continue on to the next thing to complain about no learning is accomplished for anyone.
@@pensarebasketball
Gradey of course can't guard Jalen. If Jakobi called out you have help on the left, Gradey can cheat right. Gradey's not dumb. If he's guarding Jalen blind, he's a dead man walking. If he cheated right, forced Jalen into the help, and least he's got a chance. It's a team game. Communicate
There's ways to get our defense better besides waiting for a saviour in the draft, or "capable personnel". We can develop here right?
@@a_proper_snail DId Pen address our lack of communication, our drop defense in PnR. Besides saying we don't have the personnel, and our players are bad at defense. It's a soft argument. It leaves no room for improvement.
Adjust, coach the guys up. All our players are young, you realize they can get better right? SMH
I really enjoyed this pod. I hope you have another debate with him soon.
Dude "casually" joined the chat, and said let me get on my laptop, where he had 30 clips loaded up, and had zero interest in listening to any argument. While Rob talks, he's just clicking away, loading up his next clip, and saying "yeah".
Communication was lacking on both sides. Both sides needed to let the other finish.
Rob is no saint when the matter is listening too
Pure cinema
This was it. This was fire. If anyone missed the live, the lead up was awesome.
Pen was doing a live about Darkos coaching and getting heated with all the chat trolls. Then it comes comes to a head with Awful Coaching spontaneously appearing in chat. Pen say: if you real call in. AC gets laptop and it is on like Megatron!
This was such a contrast of viewpoints and methods of analysts. Both said a lot and the viewer reaped the rewards. Raps fans get to see a breakdown from a non raps fan looking at and exposing the players in respect to how they should play and communicate. Makes Pens points that Raps personnel just not up to snuff; Both gradey and RJ exposed on D proving Raps really not going far in playoffs with both Def liability on floor at same time.
Bruh. AC LOVES to talk but eyo he did allow Pen to get his points across too. Great convo.
Bigs ups AC for coming LIVE to chat and to Pen for shouting out Awful Coaching. Legit this moment so healthy for the basketball content creation space.
4QG!! Lfgoooooo!
Love AC's commentary. Growth on the defensive end requires adjustments, better schemes, and communication which is teachable
None of this analysis means anything until the Raps get relatively healthy. They started two rookies last night and a 2nd year guy, the results won't give you credible information.
Angry coach does not listen.
He is complaining about players always not communicating on defense meanwhile he is unable to effectively communicate.
He is not even listening half the discussion.
Its like he is reading off a script or preoccupied.
The worst part was him showing his screen where he can actually flick through clips instead of engaging in the discussion.
TIL AC isnt just a schtick for YT. If he wants to be taken more seriously he needs to learn to breakdown high level offenses too. NBA teams eat by finding the defensive holes and exploiting. If on a breakdown a player does what AC recommends and the help rotates properly, its not like the offense will try the same shot. They will swing the ball (spoiler: ball travels faster than players) and exploit the next defensive weakness. AC could breakdown a game from the 2004 Spurs to show their defensive breakdowns and call coach Pop an idiot.
This.
-Blames Darko for every defensive error.
-No credit to Darko for any offense.
-The players somehow have no factor in either (according to AC).
-He talks like the Raptors lose every game 100-0.
-Certified 🤡
AC isn't a clown. He tries to make serious analysing videos. He's just bad at it. Some say he just jokes around, but deep down he doesn't.
Pensare just came on here and tried to cope for the bad defence because we tanking lmaoooo….
Say what you will about Awful Coaching, but credit to him for not running away from Pensare and doing this chat. Happy they both at least didnt devolve into some shouting match. Happy these two were able to talk it up in a relativepy civil way.
Yelling, talking loud and ignorant doesn't make one right. Calm, collect, analytical is the wise standards.
Those things kinda do make one right. There are masses of people who fall under the impression of him being right because he yells and seems angry.
Awful Coaching is fire right here!
I think a good way to come to some agreement would be to examine plays where the offense was so good, that they scored in spite of excellent defense. Awful Coaching sometimes highlights these kinds of plays when he breaks down offense rather than defense. This would help establish the limits of defense, and what coaches are responsible for.
20:23 - if Gradey steps in, to jam Bam,
then Bam is essentially setting a screen on Gradey for a wide open Duncan Robinson 3.
I think the best thing is to have Jakob just abandon Herro and get back to rim,
have Ochai help double Herro.
With Butler cutting to the rim, it's more of a crowded pass if Herro decides to make one.
I enjoy AC content from time to time. There was something just so strange about the way he was interacting (or not) with you when he called in, essentially not responding to the points you were trying to make. I was very surprised when he claimed to be a regular listener at the end, because he didn't recognize Ochai and Ja'Kobe in the videos, and didn't know how to properly pronounce "Mogbo", which I would have assumed would be second nature for a regular listener.
Great listen as always
Love to see it. Great content!
Gradey Dick, Rj Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, Scottie Barnes, Ochai Agbaji, Ja Kobe Walter, Bruce Brown, Davion Mitchell, Jamal Shead
What even is this mix of guards/sf’s? Who’s who? What’s what?
If this is about Darko, one thing is for sure, The roster will be tweaked this year and majorly changed in the off season. Assuming Darko sticks he’ll be judged on next season and not the prior two seasons.
He was evaluated last year for competence and this season is a pass. He will be scrutinized hard next season.
lol tanking or not darko sucks at defence 😂 cope all you want blame it on tanking all u want..!
This is great Rob. Exactly the kinda content that will help you grow your channel.
This was a tape breakdown masterclass. AC has perfected his craft. We can blame, personnel, and defensive talent, but AC is 100% correct, you don't need to be a DPOY to communicate. That's on coaching
No, you do need defensive personnel to make these types of decisions in real time. It's easy to say Gradey needs to push Jalen Green left or right, it's hard to actually do that in real time because Green has every counter in the world to sink a defender like Gradey 10/10 times in space.
@pensarebasketball if it was communicated to Gradey there was 3 defenders to the left, couldn't Gradey cheat right on green? That tape analysis AC just pulled up on the fly was eye opening. Doing the same things over and over expecting a different result. I get we don't have DPOY talent but lack of communication is inexcusable.
Even if you wan't to blame it on coaching, how is nitpicking defensive schemes Darko's fault when Pat Delany is the defensive coordinator for the Raptors?
@@medved4030 I wasn't nitpicking Darko. There's multiple coaches on the team. But from every level of basketball JV to pro, coaches stress floor communication
I don't care if the other team scores, as long as they're talking and making the right reads on defense. For AC to just pop up random film, and rip it to shreds over and over. There's obviously a problem there
@@joepal843 4 pt difference in the Raptors - Rockets game. If I slowed down film and analysed the Rockets I could find alot of issues. They had breakdown in communication in the first half of the game and a bunch of turnovers. Does that mean Imme Udoka is to blame for the lack of communication? No. Pull up any of the Raptors games and u will see that in nearly all of them they were competitive and lost by only a small margin.
AC is right in one respect, Raptors do not communicate on defense. This just has to get better.
Good video dawg. I like how you confronted this Raps hater lol. For our defense, i hope we're losing on purpose cause that defense is atrocious
"Moss-eye Oojooree"
Pensare comes across as a homer, the other guy ruled with expertise.
Both have their flaws. The most entertaining immovable object vs Unstoppable force
I'm a huge Raptors homer 😂
@@pensarebasketball You didn't come across as a homer in this instance. You based your takes on stats, and valid observations and insightful conclusions. And fitting especially this video, you didn't yell.
no he did not lmfao. He wasn’t giving any meaningful input whenever Pen had an argument
This surpassed the Blake Murphy collaboration/debate in 2022 Winter
Darko as a lead assistant coach? Sure. He’s just not a good head coach though, it’s obvious.
Sure
Darko is an excellent player-development coach and one of the best in the league. Just look at the improvement of Gradey Dick, Agbaji, Scottie Barnes. Darko's 0.5 offense philosophy has been a godsend. The team is playing quick pace, selfless basketball which is refreshing to see from the stagnant ISO-heavy Nick Nurse era. If you are criticizing his defensive schemes, Pat Delany has been appointed the defensive coordinator for the Raptors.
Good for him to show up though. I can respect that.
I do agree, the raps are not exactly a defensive power house right now right. There are a lot of mental lapses. But that’s ok, actually that’s great right now. Because we need a top 8 pick bad
LOL, your guest must have asked 'Who's this guy!!!!!!', at least 3-4 times about Jakobe Walter. Ok guest, we hear you. Many rookies here. They are learning. ROME wasn't built in a day! But it was entertaining listening to your excited guest.
I think the guy had you on mute the whole time 😂
Thought AC was troll I. The comments watching this sleep deprived at 4am. This was sick tbh and I’m waiting for Dec 23rd 2025 video now lol.
Darko is not a good coach he’s just here temporarily
Darko is not the defensive coordinator for the Raptors, Pat Delany is!
24:43 - doesn't that free up the corner?
Lets ignore Darko's 0.5 offense, the quick pace, selfless basketball which is refreshing to see from the stagnant ISO-heavy Nick Nurse era. Lets ignore the player-development improvement of Gradey Dick, Agbaji, Scottie Barnes. Instead, lets nitpick on defensive schemes and blame it on Darko even though Pat Delany is the defensive coordinator. Gimme a break...
Anyone who doesn’t agree with what AC is a Homer with blinders on ….bro broke the shit down nice
This was hard to listen to. AC loves to hear the sound of his own voice and his opinions. Is the Raptors defence bad? Yeah. is it coaching? Not really. Is it because of the players? Absolutely. They don’t have enough players that want to play D
If you think Delaney is trash (I agree) then that's an obvious strike against Darko. He's the one that hand selected him.
AC would be correct if the Raptors were trying to make the playoffs or if they had a team of experienced NBA players. He knows that they are in the first year of a rebuild and he admits that he rarely watches the Raptors play so his opinions about the Raptors are flawed. The people who think that
Darko is a lousy coach have no idea of how many players have progressed since he was hired.
Watching this is uncanny. AC doesn't seem like he wants to break character and keeps shouting his stock phrases. He's incapable of discussing anything beyond the x's and o's of a specific play, and isn't really responding to Rob whenever he tries to provide context about the team.
NBA players love when players play drop defence we hear it how many times
Coaching to lose, he leaves players in when they should not - this guest basically said he doesnt watch a lot of tape, why have him on? Glad you took him on. Click man, he's a click man.
I didn't dream this? Goddamn, time to stop huffin' solvents.
Lmao
How can he claim to watch your lives, but misspronounces every Raptors name?
Aaron Gordon shouldn’t have been more in the gap more he is the strong side defender Espeically on Anfernee’s strong side
I wanted to understand what AC wanted on that Simons drive.
More from Gordon once Simons got the drive right? Playing the scouting report says Simons is 90% not passing to the corner.
Or did he want Westbrook to open up middle to funnel him into help.
I wanted to understand that before we could even talk about Jokić rotations or the Russ gamble on the shot.
I feel a smart-ER defender pushes him left.
Donald. right on man
This andie dude does not know what je is talking about. He is making it all up
I agree. He is awful coach
Pen u got cooked and by the way you don’t have to be athletic or a defender to force someone a direction that’s elementary
Yeah, I can force you left. You can't force Jalen Green left.
@ lol forcing someone to help takes no skill strength nothing stop it these are NBA players they should not be getting paid millions if they are not able to force a guy middle
@ u can clearly see Grady was standing center of Jalen green ya of course Jalen gonna blow by him