I've been practicing this technique for about a month and couldn't get it. I set up my speed cobras to your specs and it instantly worked. thanks dude. I believe everyone can master this technique.
its really about you an your want an ability an manipulation . i play these techniques stomping the pedals. which means i dont need triggers an editing software to make it happen... you can see bands who make good music like lorna shore do playthru where they cant even play their own stuff . but these people are all using triggers for some reason. so you (like i on guitar) can get way better by editing an using triggers. or just improve anyway you want to play
@@ShawnJonesHellionthey use triggers because 16th notes above 220/230 acoustically become one single note. Not to mention all of the other noise that accompanies the final sound going out to the crowd that would drown that out. If you want the crowd to hear every hit individually when you are at 220-290 bpm you need triggers for every hit ti be heard properly live. Not to mention that a bass drum sample can stay in the mix audibly and perfectly even when there is a shit Ton of other noise going on. This is why you see triggers almost with every drummer that plays anything technical.
You don't need long boards or direct drive to do this technique. They can help, but they're not necessary at all. Two easy and cheap upgrades I recommend are: 1) Upgrade your bearings. Get skate bearings. Bones Reds are cheap ($20 for a pack of 8) and make a huge difference. 2) Trick or ACD driveshaft. Trick is about $130 and ACD is about $190. ACD is well worth spending the extra money but Trick will work perfectly. These two upgrades (even the bearings alone) will make your pedals very fast, smooth, & responsive. There are tutorials on YT for changing your bearings if you need help with that.
I feel you, a few years ago I had to sell my own Axis A-L2s and my trigger to midi interface and I so wish I still had them now. I play on a Trick Dominator which is great but I think I'd be better off if I had kept the Axis
4 years. Dude thanks 4 years ago I bought a set of axis longboards at the pawn shop. Then I went and bought a drumset. I played guitar for 25years could only skank for fun on different drummers that I was playing with. I had no idea how many drummers were literally running thru their set. Why dont more drummers get this? Do I have more chance than the guy who can't playing metal drums if I know this technique. Thanks you birthed a metal drummer
Great video probably the best ive come across. I love that you talked about your settings of the prdal and skin instead of just the technique pushing on the pedals!!! Very very helpful!!!!
@@jeromed2 I don’t use them anymore but it worked. But I play heel toe with my feet completely on the footboard even with long boards that’s why it worked
@@jeromed2 You can actually do this technique on any pedal. Sure, direct drive and long boards can be helpful but they're not necessary. I know many other drummers who do heel-toe but prefer their standard short board/chain drive pedals over dd/longboards. You may want to experiment with your spring tension, board height, beater angle & head tension. A cheap and easy upgrade for your pedals that you should do *immediately* is replace your bearings. Get skate bearings. Bones Reds or Super Reds are cheap ($20-30$ for a pack of 8 depending on which you go for) and they make a massive difference. There are tutorials on YT if you need help with that and it's important to figure out how many bearings your pedals use so you know if you need 1 or 2 packs. Also, spending the $130 on a Trick driveshaft is worth every penny (if you play a double pedal and not two singles). Even better if you spend the extra bit of money to get the ACD Ultimate Driveshaft. Those two upgrades will make just about any pedal feel smooth & fast. Even just the bearings alone... Oh, and you don't need triggers either btw. What pedals are you using?
Fantastic video. Very informative. Thank you! I have Axis A Longboards and Trick Bigfoots. this gives a lot of confidence knowing these things as I'm starting to learn heel toe.
Good luck. Just don't abandon your singles. I did only heel toe for too long and my fast singles were starting to lack a bit so i had to work hard at getting them back up to speed.
Jesus this is an amazing demonstration and I’ve not seen this spacific technique before where half your foot is off but that effortless speed you did I’d awesome I just ordered pdp consept direct drive double pedals for my electric kit I can’t wait to learn this and 66samus commented 4 years ago on this that’s awesome too
66samus is the man. We've had a few drum chats over the years. Most guys do do "heel toe" are doing this. You don't slam the heel into the pedal. Good luck!
I found the key! Its the same as bouncing a basketball real close to the ground, your hand kinda follows along and just give it a little direction =) thanks dude!
HAHA.. That is a good analogy. Well think of a double stroke on your hands.. Your fingers stay on the stick, but very lightly and follow along for the ride giving control and only helping with the down stroke..
Im so sold on these pedals. That accelerando was so sick. If I can get this pedal and play doubles with ease, I could get my dci hand chops to translate in my feet. That'd be game over lmao! thanks for the vids man.
Any time man. I'll try and make more in the future so sub if you want. These are a bit dated and my settings area always changing haha. My hands are really free to play when i'm not killing myself playing singles all the time.
Thanks for watching. I always suggest working on singles first, and not forgetting about them. My single strokes suffered when I first learnt how to do this because I got lazy :)
I need something to make double kick and practice and I like this technique because I think it seem look like double stroke or diddle on hands, same feeling. down stroke with heel, up stroke with toe. sometime toe-heel to invert somethink like that. thanks, I have seen how good it could be
No problem man. Hit me up if you have questions. I just ripped my kit apart and got this thing working great. keep the springs loose, head tight, and mess with beater distance and beater height to adjust for the speed of the doubles and feel.. Beater height makes a big difference in the feel and time between the double (keeps it sounding consistant) beater distance from head will make it easier to play fast if you close, but hard to do slower doubles.
I just got my pedals in, and for some reason, I can't get the slaved left pedal springback to be the same as the man right pedal. They are used, but refurbished (and I have warranty on them). I saw on your vid that your left pedal springback was the same as your right. I messed with spring and shaft settings, but still no change. Any clue what the issue could be? (Example: my right pedal springs back 20 times once released, and the left only sprang back 9 times before it stopped).
Oh, mine are almost never the same, as long as they FEEL similar I am happy. the drive shaft makes a huge difference, try moving your left pedal forward or back adjusting the angle to see how much of a difference it makes. One trick is to not set up your pedals the EXACT same. They should be close, but sometimes my left spring is tighter or looser. Sometimes I may have the beater height a cm or so above or below the other. That drive shaft adds a bit of weight so you have to compensate. Right now on my new Axis pedals the left one stops well before the right. I don't worry about it.
When I have changed tension and position I usually put the beaters to the head by hand and release them, just watch the sway and tweak them to go the same, all resistance canceled out I figure?..
What exactly you mean you pulled back a few inches at 4:40 ? Which part of the pedal settings you refer to? The front/back sliding VDL adjustment thing?
when i do this on short boards, i actually hit with my toe first then i hit down with the back of the foot, i don't even know how i developed this technique, i jut started doing it one day.
Hey man! Demon Drive or Axis? I know you have both but, what pedal would you recommend? Pros and cons? Awesome video by the way! Definitely going to practice this
They are both great. I am now Axis only. I have the AL-2's and the A21's.. the a21's have a bit more power in them. HUGE foot boards too... They feel very different I would suggest trying them at a shop and seeing what you like but I prefer Axis pedals.
Hello! I'm learning how to play drums seeing some videos here on RUclips, including your videos. In your video you show very well the heel toe technique. I see that you play the drum pedals without shoes. Is it because the contact between the foot and the drum pedal is better? Do you recommend it?
Hey im using Axis A21 Lazer double pedals and I'm kinda confused with how you adjust your footboard hight and beater distance from the bass drum? Can you adjust each one separately or how's your settings ?
It's one setting. Lucky for me when you put them a bit closer flatter is better. Although I have been moving them further back as of late. The adjustment is at the top of the spring. You use the allen key/drum key and then just move the beater back but it also lifts the pedal.
hi there. i was wondering if you could try to help me with some trouble shooting. my module (tm-2) is as sensitive as possible and my thresh hold is 7. i am noticing my rolls arent being picked up correctly by the triggers (rt-10k) i can feel the roll, though. im using the default axis beaters. how much of a dif would the wood beaters make that fixable? fyi im an advanced drummer that uses swivel and have only been practicing heel toe for a month, so my technique could be sub par, still, though i can get a nice roll on my practice pad up to 220-230 already
When it's not picking up it is often threshold, or sensitivity. 7 is pretty low so that shouldn't be the issue. You never stated what your sensitivity is. If it is ok, next I would look at WHERE your beaters are hitting. I raised mine up so they hit higher up closer to where my trigger is... things like bass drum tension make a big difference. I had to loosen mine a bit the other day as too tight or too loose doesn't transmit the vibrations. I use the small axis beaters now, but the wood beaters had some good weight behind them. Where is your trigger? at 12 oclock? 1 oclock? etc... and lastly the retrig cancel i have set to 2... if its too high you will miss hits also.
beyondbetrayal if you read my comment again I stated my sensitivity is as high as possible. 32, to clarify. My head is tight as hell. Aquarian superkick 2. My triggers are 11o clock and 4 o’clock on the left and right bass drums, respectively. I did not think about the retrig. The length of my beaters is set almost as long as they can go, that seems to feel the most comfortable to me. I just am wondering if it’s technique more than external source variables. I think I’ll try bravo beaters and the retrig setting first. Also, when I’m pushing for a new bpm max, I am stressing the muscles right? I imagine you have to work them no matter how easy the technique is
I mostly use my hip flexors/glutes for this technique as my springs are pretty loose.. with the tight head the pedal bounces back then i get the toe stroke. if that makes sense. if you had tighter springs you would feel it more in the shins... 32... sorry i missed that. that should be VERY sensitive.. try playing with the retrig first. mine is at 2... I have a video on here of all my settings and pedal settings etc. if you lightly tap the drum with the pedal does it trigger? mine is pretty sensitive.. i have the threshold just high enough so my snare and floor tom won't set it off... you could try making it tighet or looser as well to see if it changes anything... you have 2 bass drums? i missed that too. I have one kick and my trigger is at 1 oclock or 2 oclock. is it a consistent hit missing? such as the second hit in the double? if so i'd mess with the pedal settings and try and get it a bit harder... my beaters are not smashing the drum head by any means though.
beyondbetrayal ok yeah then it’s the trigger and perhaps sub par form on my part. If i lightly tap the head with my kick it does not set the trigger off. It’s been a very long time since I messed with the retrig setting. That will be my first change. I do believe heavier beaters may help, as well. I will keep practicing. Thank you for your help. The greatest thing about my choice to start to learn heel toe, is that it’s actually indirectly helping my swivel technique 😀
beyondbetrayal also, it is not a consistent missing of the hits, though because I keep messing with my energy output into the pedals, i don’t think that’s a good thing to base things from. I swear it’s the triggers. I wonder if pedal triggers would make things better
Hi! I realy like your videos about heel toe and blasts. Your explanation is very clear and very good visual (I see what I need). I'm already in heel toe, but I'm fighting with galoping, because I'm using my heel on the pedal. like you showed before... My orher problem is that Im alternating singles and doubles. For example singles for 8th note triplets, doubles for 16th's and I can't find the good settings for the pedal (Demon,Axis both longboards). My settings for singles are not good for doubles. Are you using singles as well? What is your advice? Thank you very much!
I do use singles as well. I get my settings good for doubles then just figure out how to make it work for singles. galloping is often fixed by pulling the beaters back further, adjusting pedal height, spring tension etc.
How high are your beaters? They look just a little higher than the middle. I’ve watched all your videos also on the technique really did help. Still trying to perfect it, I’m a singles guy but the endurance and speed would help so much with playing tech death.
It does save energy. They aren't super high. pretty close to the middle of the drum. I go up or down a bit to even out the strokes. It takes a lot of playing with the settings to get it consistent
I just ordered a set of Axis Longboards and I plan on using your video to learn this technique. One question I have is, do the Axis pedals allow to adjust the footboard angle and height independently? I thought that on Axis pedals all adjustments are made using the VDL. Can you explain? Thanks!
I just got my pedals the other day. I got the A21 Sabres and I'm loving them. I set them up with the recommendations you made here in your video and immediately I was able start hitting double strokes. I'm already working on getting the doubles to roll together. I tried this technique with my Iron Cobras for months with no luck but as soon as I tried it with these Axis pedals the heel/toe technique felt so natural. I've been playing for a long time and I feel these Axis pedals have been one of the best drum investments I've ever made. This video was a huge help. Thank you so much for taking the time to post these!
about beater hight: I'm suprised to see you 'playing' with the beater hight. Doesn' the beater hight depend on the size of the bd in order to hit the bd head right in the center (for optimum sonic perfomance - at least when playing acoustically)?
Thomas Gruseman I'm triggering first off Second of all with double pedals they are not always on the middle. If your not going to trigger or want super even consistent hits I would recommend single strokes.
Do you know if this technique works on tama speed cobras? For me, it doesn't work on them because my feet are 46 EUR so I have to do the down stroke with my heel and that"s not how it should be done (as you said it in the video)
Slayer i can do the heel toe technique perfectly on speedcobras. so yes you can. i can on regular Iron Cobras and (not perfect every time) even the cheap $99 pdp pedals
you bet, but you will want to trigger them and CRANK the heads super tight... it might be hard to get them that tight in the middle. I have snapped a lug or 2 before and replaced them. I have my head looser these days.. and my springs a bit tighter.
Awesome tutorial! I have played a lot of ankle motion heel up technique and also some heel down when playing double bass and when I have a good day and is warmed up I can reach 180bpm but it still feels hard to get there. Would you say this technique is "easier" to learn than ankle motion? I think about starting to learn this as one of my band's songs is in 200bpm which I can do ankle motion in the right foot but the left is barely hearable.
hey, it's been 3 years, so, did you found out is it easier or not? I'm also kinda stuck at 170-180 with ankle motion and was wondering maybe i should try this
@@filippsik5258 I'm actually not of a double bass player anymore, at least not in extreme tempos. Death metal wasn't really my main genre so I left the band. I do play some double kick still but mainly at slower tempos and with full leg motion. My right can do ankle motions and heel toe without problem(I do a lot of doubles), but I always had trouble getting my left warmed up. Nowadays I mainly play with rock bands and a pop artist haha!
I'm having trouble putting it together. I can get the doubles on each foot but when I try putting it together it sounds like flams. It's like my first left stroke hits at the same time as my second right stroke. I can't get the rrll separation like it should be. Any advice to help with that?
Beater height, spring tension, distance from head, head tension all effect the time between the double stroke.. if your left pedal is hitting too slow you need to adjust.. I can't really see how yours need to change unfortunately without being there. try playing with these settings and it will come eventually
beyondbetrayal thanks for the quick reply. Im gonna try different beater heights. That's one setting that I haven't played with much. I think I have the other settings locked in. Thanks
I have 3 heel toe videos and I suggest watching them all as I explain everything and have helped many people get the technique down, but yes, RRLLRRLLRRLL even in triplets.
I've been trying this for weeks now, but past 210ish my thighs start tensing up really quickly, and above 240 the toe hit gets really lost. I've been working on full leg motion endurance, flat foot endurance and swivel technique besides that, so having the basic development of the needed muscle groups shouldn't be an issue. Any advice? Sitting at ~95 degrees leg angle, springs around 3/4 tightened on Trick P1V.
@@zb695 Well tighten your springs then and use a loser head. I pretty much use my own kit at every gig. Most metal bands do where I live. The punk band I play in uses a backline often. I have been working on tuning my head down for this technique though.
@@beyondbetrayal Where I live you basically just ruin the sound guys day by bringing your own kit haha. I think I've got my ways figured out now though, raised my throne a fair bit more too, which seems to have definitely helped with my thighs tensing up. Thanks for the tutorial and advice man!
@@zb695 That sucks but I love gear sharing when I don't use triggers on the kick. If you have a lose head pulling the beaters back, raising or lowering them, and tighter springs will help you.
I use this technique and learned on eliminators and now the orange pearl eliminator cheapos, I’ve found there to be a lot of noise and feel slip in chain drive. Is there much of a difference transitioning to direct drives?
I had to adjust my technique for direct drive. They feel VERY light. You almost don't even feel your feet on them. Alot of it is due to the leverage. I'd suggest trying some in a music store. Tricks, Axis, Pearl Demons etc. They all have a very different feel from one another.
beyondbetrayal crazy thing is here in Vegas none of our guitar centers carry anything above the RARE set of demon drives and although they did offer 30 money back guarantee that’s still a big swing to try something and Sam ash said “nope try it and if you don’t like it we can try to figure something out at that point” I laughed and left.
I just started to practise this technique but i can't hit hard while doing this like i normally do. Do i have to use triggers to balance the volume of my normal(heel up) and heel-toe strokes? Or if i practise enough can i hit harder with this technique? Because i really like to bang hard.
You would have to move the beaters back further and maybe add to your spring tension.. Your springs are related to your batter head. so if the head is tight, your springs can be looser.. vice versa.... If you want to hammer this technique it works, but your not going to have the same top speed either.
Thanks for your reply, I can hammer down around 180~200 bpm right now i just wanted to be faster with trying this. My spring tension is very tight and beaters are somewhere near 75 degrees. Like i said if i can hit harder trough practising it will be worth trying but if i need to use triggers anyway for going over 200bpm, i'd like to continue hammering instead of trying to learn this.
Well I don't know your exact settings, tensions, your style, what you play etc.. I am playing well above 200 so I use triggers, I think even single strokes sound better with triggers at 240bpm. You have to be the judge of it. To be honest I do recommend triggers for this technique as sometimes the second hit of the double isn't as loud.
Should be the same thing. I like a tighter batter head and looser springs but thats personal preference, lately i have been making the springs a bit tighter and the head a bit looser. seems to work good.
Hey i just got my axis ekits today and i can't figure out how to put the trigger on the right side on. I Have the al 2 long board double pedals. The left trigger was easy to put on but the right trigger goes on another way. I would have to take off this spring but there isnt any room for the metal part connecting to the spring to come off. Im talking about the hammer part btw.
It's a great technique for speed and requires A LOT of development and practice. Yet, you lose out on so many other aspects of drumming. Dexterity for volume, in particular. Still extremely worthy of learning and utilizing.
I don't use it in my punk band. I use it in my extreme metal band. It really depends on when you should use it. I always recommend getting good at double bass without triggers and doing heal toe first.
Jamster I have not. Not sure how it would feel. Could always try it. That is why I got the microtune . good thing is once my springs are set i often leave them for months. remove the hats and snare while you set em up also
How long did it take to get used to the axis pedals? Just got the X series double longboard yesterday and i cant play as fast as i can on my dw9000's. It is only my second day playing them, should i return them and get the a's instead?
up to you. the a's have the adjustable vdl which I really like. the A21 lasers are great also. it takes a while to go from chain to direct drive. weeks. even months. they feel very different. once you get used to em you won't go back. 2 days isn't even a test drive with em Lol.
learn solid singles first. it's better than heel toe. I wish I never started some days because I neglected my singles. it's also a hassle to have to trigger it all the time. it doesn't take long to learn. takes longer to dial In the settings and get it tight. fast tight singles would be a better goal. also get used to your pedals before learning an obscure technique. just being honest from a guy who plays heel toe. :)
I really wanted to learn heel toe because i cant seem to get my single strokes any faster. 2 perfect example songs of my fastest i can do my fastest single strokes with would be Decapitateds - Spheres of madness, And Kalmahs - Sacramentum. I've been playing at those songs speeds for a while and cant seem to play any faster.
it takes hours and hours of practice man. years of playing. if it was easy everybody would be awesome fast drummers playing crazy double kick. there is no shortcuts and heel toe will not be a shortcut to singles. it works best for 220bpm and above. I'd suggest getting tight singles to at least 220 or 230 before learning it. but to each their own. if you watch my videos you will get it
Thanks. Had problems back when Ive had Axis SINGLE PEDALS even, My feet is 46/47 Euro size and im a big guy above 200 pound. With too much strength, So this seems to work when putting the feet in middle like you shown, I got my AXIS stolen but think of buying some new. U have any tips how to make them as tight as possible, Because the dealer couldn't even do that and thought it couldn't be true I played that hard. I have this giant front muscle on the calf, properly from years of King Fu. I run with Iron Cobra now but its annoying I play so fast that the pedals stops in the air or its my force. Even though most would be pleased, i want them to be faster for blasts beats. Same problem and problems when those hard hitting plastic metal heads smacks back at my foot. Can barely walk today, need to get some Construction boots next time, but its hard on /Metal long boat whose not even that long. Hails. good video. I really enjoyed it.
I am loving the Axis A21 Lasers.. they hit harder, the foot boards are WAY bigger as well.... They are super fast. Axis sell microtune spring tensioners that you could try out which make adjustents easier.. You can get heavy duty springs as well... You should need that with the adjustments.. Tighten em up, pull the beaters back, move the VDL towards your feet... you will be good to go.
beyondbetrayal Thanks im sucking that info into my brain. This is really great info. I just started up my band again after few years of rest. I really need to check all this out and hope i can order this stuff to Copenhagen/Denmark. Sounds fucking great. Thanks for the info a lot Bro:)
ever since i had to seperate the pedals to put the triggers on, i notice that the angle of the metal part connected to the beater on my left pedal changes almost daily. is there anyway way to fix this?
Rod Stiffington a friend had this happen. I had to remove the sticker and tighten the set screws. your not supposed to touch em but if they come loose you gotta. is it clicking? or the beater feel loose?
I didn't even know that there was screws under the sticker. The only thing that is happening is that my left pedal where the sticker was will lower the angle a little bit in like a day or 2..It only happens to the left pedal.
Been doing this technique with the right foot since childhood. I don't know how long it would take me to get the muscle memory down on the left foot and then be able to do it simultaneously in time with both feet though.
Less than you think. My left is my weaker foot, but it just takes repetition to get used to it. I was able to start doing this in a few weeks of practice. The settings matter more than anything.
Anyone else have trouble getting their double pedals to match? I'm an experienced drummer. I have watched videos..removing my feet from the equation....i can't get the pedals even. I have speed cobras
Bruce Richards just a few weeks. it's simple once the settings are dialed in. my guitar player can do it with the right settings. it took longer to dial it in and get it consistent at Super high bpm though
beyondbetrayal that comment ^ on double bass drumming is the truest I’ve ever heard!! If your band doesn’t write challenging double bass driven riffs then you’ll never accomplish these speeds especially if your trying to play this way in a standard rock/metal band it will just end up sounding sloppy and out of place.
I never tried those. I am sure it would be a similar idea. It is like having the VDL in the middle, My top speed goes down a bit but it sounds tighter like that.
Thanks for this, dude :D
haha no prob.. I don't think you need to learn this though :P.. your videos are awesome
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I've been practicing this technique for about a month and couldn't get it. I set up my speed cobras to your specs and it instantly worked. thanks dude. I believe everyone can master this technique.
Chris Cole I have speed cobras as well and am still trying to dial them in to do this.
its really about you an your want an ability an manipulation . i play these techniques stomping the pedals. which means i dont need triggers an editing software to make it happen... you can see bands who make good music like lorna shore do playthru where they cant even play their own stuff . but these people are all using triggers for some reason.
so you (like i on guitar) can get way better by editing an using triggers. or just improve anyway you want to play
@@ShawnJonesHellionthey use triggers because 16th notes above 220/230 acoustically become one single note. Not to mention all of the other noise that accompanies the final sound going out to the crowd that would drown that out. If you want the crowd to hear every hit individually when you are at 220-290 bpm you need triggers for every hit ti be heard properly live. Not to mention that a bass drum sample can stay in the mix audibly and perfectly even when there is a shit Ton of other noise going on. This is why you see triggers almost with every drummer that plays anything technical.
For our drummer, this video was the way into doubles! Thanks for that. Greetings from germany!
Awesome. Thanks for watching
I want those pedals so damn bad. peanut butter jealous.
Scott Swift I found some going for 190. Getting them this saturday
Dude on some website in the EU it's like 1099 euro instead of 700 dollars
You don't need long boards or direct drive to do this technique. They can help, but they're not necessary at all. Two easy and cheap upgrades I recommend are: 1) Upgrade your bearings. Get skate bearings. Bones Reds are cheap ($20 for a pack of 8) and make a huge difference. 2) Trick or ACD driveshaft. Trick is about $130 and ACD is about $190. ACD is well worth spending the extra money but Trick will work perfectly. These two upgrades (even the bearings alone) will make your pedals very fast, smooth, & responsive. There are tutorials on YT for changing your bearings if you need help with that.
Definitely saving this for later, I had to sell my kit to help my family with money recently and I miss it very much, but great tutorial.
Best of luck and hope everything goes well with you and the family.
I feel you, a few years ago I had to sell my own Axis A-L2s and my trigger to midi interface and I so wish I still had them now. I play on a Trick Dominator which is great but I think I'd be better off if I had kept the Axis
This brings back memories. I remember doing this with Speed Kings back in the day... Haven't played for years, but it sure was fun to watch.
This video answered most of the questions I had that you have been asked. Thank you very much...extremely helpful!
Any time man. Good luck. I commented on your other post
4 years. Dude thanks 4 years ago I bought a set of axis longboards at the pawn shop. Then I went and bought a drumset. I played guitar for 25years could only skank for fun on different drummers that I was playing with.
I had no idea how many drummers were literally running thru their set. Why dont more drummers get this? Do I have more chance than the guy who can't playing metal drums if I know this technique.
Thanks you birthed a metal drummer
Thanks buddy. Learn this AND singles.. It's nice to not HAVE to rely on heel toe as it doesn't transfer to a different kit or pedal set up always.
Great video probably the best ive come across. I love that you talked about your settings of the prdal and skin instead of just the technique pushing on the pedals!!! Very very helpful!!!!
Appreciate it man. Hope to get on making more vids soon
Thanks for the video! Inspires me to keep working on heel-toe, I haven't touched it for months now.
I think that was the most succinct and best video explaining everything to do with heel toe and pedal set up. Thank you!
I was struggling getting the bounce motion going for 2 months and after this video got a decent roll going in one night. Thanks broski
@@bilbobaggins7075 awesome to hear dude. Keep it up!!!
I’ve been using this technique on DW3000s. I can only imagine how much easier it would be with these.
playing heel toe on longer pedal definitely feels better, much more especially with pedal with Heel-less plate like most long board.
@@m.iqbal_akbar And the direct drive, makes it a lot easier too
and it works?
@@jeromed2 I don’t use them anymore but it worked. But I play heel toe with my feet completely on the footboard even with long boards that’s why it worked
@@jeromed2 You can actually do this technique on any pedal. Sure, direct drive and long boards can be helpful but they're not necessary. I know many other drummers who do heel-toe but prefer their standard short board/chain drive pedals over dd/longboards. You may want to experiment with your spring tension, board height, beater angle & head tension. A cheap and easy upgrade for your pedals that you should do *immediately* is replace your bearings. Get skate bearings. Bones Reds or Super Reds are cheap ($20-30$ for a pack of 8 depending on which you go for) and they make a massive difference. There are tutorials on YT if you need help with that and it's important to figure out how many bearings your pedals use so you know if you need 1 or 2 packs. Also, spending the $130 on a Trick driveshaft is worth every penny (if you play a double pedal and not two singles). Even better if you spend the extra bit of money to get the ACD Ultimate Driveshaft. Those two upgrades will make just about any pedal feel smooth & fast. Even just the bearings alone... Oh, and you don't need triggers either btw. What pedals are you using?
Fantastic video. Very informative. Thank you! I have Axis A Longboards and Trick Bigfoots. this gives a lot of confidence knowing these things as I'm starting to learn heel toe.
Good luck. Just don't abandon your singles. I did only heel toe for too long and my fast singles were starting to lack a bit so i had to work hard at getting them back up to speed.
Those are great pedals. I’m a big fan of the Soakers too.
you hit in the first minute of the video everything that is wrong with my pedal setup. It really helped thank you.
Happy to help man. Feel free to subscribe and I'll try and make some more content soon
Not many people cater to size 15 feet I think I need longboards I am using iron cobras now
You will be happy with longboards.. They are great
I'm crowning you King of Drum Tutorials, thank you for this
feel free to sub. I'll be making more soon.
Every video on this technique and you are the only one that got me to do this properly thank you!
So good to hear man! rock on!
Also this is the best video I have ever seen of somebody demonstrating pedals !!!!
Thanks a bunch man. This technique is super easy once you get it down.
Jesus this is an amazing demonstration and I’ve not seen this spacific technique before where half your foot is off but that effortless speed you did I’d awesome I just ordered pdp consept direct drive double pedals for my electric kit I can’t wait to learn this and 66samus commented 4 years ago on this that’s awesome too
66samus is the man. We've had a few drum chats over the years. Most guys do do "heel toe" are doing this. You don't slam the heel into the pedal. Good luck!
Bro you have the best description about this.
I'm going to build a statue in your honor
zack kreps hahahaha that made me laugh.
I found the key! Its the same as bouncing a basketball real close to the ground, your hand kinda follows along and just give it a little direction =) thanks dude!
HAHA.. That is a good analogy. Well think of a double stroke on your hands.. Your fingers stay on the stick, but very lightly and follow along for the ride giving control and only helping with the down stroke..
Yea thats one better even =P
The technique is timeless! 😂
You bet
Thank you for this video. I just bought a set of these and now I know how I am going to set them Up! Cheers!
Good luck man. I'm going to try and make some more videos soon.. been slacking this summer :P
bro, I've watched many "tutorials" by a variety of pros. Honestly, this was better for me, hands down.
Happy it helped ya dude. I should re do this, it's an old vid haha
This vid changed my life! Thank you, brother!
Thanks for watching!!!
it looks so easy! Awesome, man!!
awesome bro!!
+Simone ArcOndA Piras thanks :)
great explanation
Im so sold on these pedals. That accelerando was so sick. If I can get this pedal and play doubles with ease, I could get my dci hand chops to translate in my feet. That'd be game over lmao! thanks for the vids man.
Any time man. I'll try and make more in the future so sub if you want. These are a bit dated and my settings area always changing haha. My hands are really free to play when i'm not killing myself playing singles all the time.
what trigger are you using? on the bass drum or on the pedal footboard?
Wow dude, thank you so much for this great information. Your speed is mental. 🤘
Thanks for watching. I always suggest working on singles first, and not forgetting about them. My single strokes suffered when I first learnt how to do this because I got lazy :)
I need something to make double kick and practice and I like this technique because I think it seem look like double stroke or diddle on hands, same feeling. down stroke with heel, up stroke with toe. sometime toe-heel to invert somethink like that. thanks, I have seen how good it could be
Wondering if you really need axis and demon drive pedals to be able to do this properly. Is it possible on say.....A Pearl PowerShifter Eliminator?
I have only tried on these pedals.. If you set them up right anything is possible. I just know these work.
Definitely not. I do this on Tama speed cobras. It's definitely more difficult with short board pedals though.
I use heel toe on the same pedals works fine and I have size 15 feet haha.
Thanks for discussing if this is doable on different petals
After I watch this, Im like yay, Im doing it right. I think other people are explaining it incorrectly
Appreciate it. I tried to make it simple to follow.
Dude! Thanks so much! I have a pair of Axis longboards coming in this week...and this vid will help a lot!
No problem man. Hit me up if you have questions. I just ripped my kit apart and got this thing working great. keep the springs loose, head tight, and mess with beater distance and beater height to adjust for the speed of the doubles and feel.. Beater height makes a big difference in the feel and time between the double (keeps it sounding consistant) beater distance from head will make it easier to play fast if you close, but hard to do slower doubles.
I just got my pedals in, and for some reason, I can't get the slaved left pedal springback to be the same as the man right pedal. They are used, but refurbished (and I have warranty on them). I saw on your vid that your left pedal springback was the same as your right. I messed with spring and shaft settings, but still no change. Any clue what the issue could be? (Example: my right pedal springs back 20 times once released, and the left only sprang back 9 times before it stopped).
Oh, mine are almost never the same, as long as they FEEL similar I am happy. the drive shaft makes a huge difference, try moving your left pedal forward or back adjusting the angle to see how much of a difference it makes. One trick is to not set up your pedals the EXACT same. They should be close, but sometimes my left spring is tighter or looser. Sometimes I may have the beater height a cm or so above or below the other. That drive shaft adds a bit of weight so you have to compensate. Right now on my new Axis pedals the left one stops well before the right. I don't worry about it.
beyondbetrayal Gotcha!!! That helps a lot...and makes me feel better! Keep rockin!!
When I have changed tension and position I usually put the beaters to the head by hand and release them, just watch the sway and tweak them to go the same, all resistance canceled out I figure?..
Great info... You make it look so easy!
My pedal is short board. Axis is a long board. Is it applicable as well to short board?
Fantastic explanation. I have iron cobras with cobra coil and can’t get the footboard low enough. The pedals are just pissing me off big time
Goddamn this video helped a lot. Answered all the questions I've had on this technique. Thank you so much.
Happy to help :)
I have some demon drives. Going to set them up like this and start practicing.
Good luck. I love my demons.
Thanks for sharing stay safe and God bless
Do you find much of a difference playing with or without shoes?
Thanks for this!! In the end, the config matters too.
Glad it helped!
What exactly you mean you pulled back a few inches at 4:40 ? Which part of the pedal settings you refer to? The front/back sliding VDL adjustment thing?
The physical pedal actually. where it is makes a difference in feel as the shaft angle changes
when i do this on short boards, i actually hit with my toe first then i hit down with the back of the foot, i don't even know how i developed this technique, i jut started doing it one day.
Great vid! Unrelated, but why is your kick mic'd up when it's triggered ? Doesn't the trigger produce the sound ?
Sometimes I trigger from the audio, and sometimes I use the audio in my recordings. When I jam with my punk band I don't use the triggers either.
Hey man! Demon Drive or Axis? I know you have both but, what pedal would you recommend? Pros and cons?
Awesome video by the way! Definitely going to practice this
They are both great. I am now Axis only. I have the AL-2's and the A21's.. the a21's have a bit more power in them. HUGE foot boards too... They feel very different I would suggest trying them at a shop and seeing what you like but I prefer Axis pedals.
Hello! I'm learning how to play drums seeing some videos here on RUclips, including your videos. In your video you show very well the heel toe technique. I see that you play the drum pedals without shoes. Is it because the contact between the foot and the drum pedal is better? Do you recommend it?
It feels better to me for doing heel toe, but playing in shoes i get more power. It's a trade off.
Really well explained! Mind if i ask you what drums are those? I believe their pearls? I just dont remember the model. Thanks in advance
Pearl MCX... I actualy got a reference pure recently too that sounds amazing.
Hey im using Axis A21 Lazer double pedals and I'm kinda confused with how you adjust your footboard hight and beater distance from the bass drum? Can you adjust each one separately or how's your settings ?
It's one setting. Lucky for me when you put them a bit closer flatter is better. Although I have been moving them further back as of late. The adjustment is at the top of the spring. You use the allen key/drum key and then just move the beater back but it also lifts the pedal.
hi there. i was wondering if you could try to help me with some trouble shooting. my module (tm-2) is as sensitive as possible and my thresh hold is 7. i am noticing my rolls arent being picked up correctly by the triggers (rt-10k) i can feel the roll, though. im using the default axis beaters. how much of a dif would the wood beaters make that fixable? fyi im an advanced drummer that uses swivel and have only been practicing heel toe for a month, so my technique could be sub par, still, though i can get a nice roll on my practice pad up to 220-230 already
When it's not picking up it is often threshold, or sensitivity. 7 is pretty low so that shouldn't be the issue. You never stated what your sensitivity is. If it is ok, next I would look at WHERE your beaters are hitting. I raised mine up so they hit higher up closer to where my trigger is... things like bass drum tension make a big difference. I had to loosen mine a bit the other day as too tight or too loose doesn't transmit the vibrations. I use the small axis beaters now, but the wood beaters had some good weight behind them. Where is your trigger? at 12 oclock? 1 oclock? etc... and lastly the retrig cancel i have set to 2... if its too high you will miss hits also.
beyondbetrayal if you read my comment again I stated my sensitivity is as high as possible. 32, to clarify. My head is tight as hell. Aquarian superkick 2. My triggers are 11o clock and 4 o’clock on the left and right bass drums, respectively. I did not think about the retrig. The length of my beaters is set almost as long as they can go, that seems to feel the most comfortable to me. I just am wondering if it’s technique more than external source variables. I think I’ll try bravo beaters and the retrig setting first. Also, when I’m pushing for a new bpm max, I am stressing the muscles right? I imagine you have to work them no matter how easy the technique is
I mostly use my hip flexors/glutes for this technique as my springs are pretty loose.. with the tight head the pedal bounces back then i get the toe stroke. if that makes sense. if you had tighter springs you would feel it more in the shins... 32... sorry i missed that. that should be VERY sensitive.. try playing with the retrig first. mine is at 2... I have a video on here of all my settings and pedal settings etc. if you lightly tap the drum with the pedal does it trigger? mine is pretty sensitive.. i have the threshold just high enough so my snare and floor tom won't set it off... you could try making it tighet or looser as well to see if it changes anything... you have 2 bass drums? i missed that too. I have one kick and my trigger is at 1 oclock or 2 oclock. is it a consistent hit missing? such as the second hit in the double? if so i'd mess with the pedal settings and try and get it a bit harder... my beaters are not smashing the drum head by any means though.
beyondbetrayal ok yeah then it’s the trigger and perhaps sub par form on my part. If i lightly tap the head with my kick it does not set the trigger off. It’s been a very long time since I messed with the retrig setting. That will be my first change. I do believe heavier beaters may help, as well. I will keep practicing. Thank you for your help. The greatest thing about my choice to start to learn heel toe, is that it’s actually indirectly helping my swivel technique 😀
beyondbetrayal also, it is not a consistent missing of the hits, though because I keep messing with my energy output into the pedals, i don’t think that’s a good thing to base things from. I swear it’s the triggers. I wonder if pedal triggers would make things better
Hi! I realy like your videos about heel toe and blasts. Your explanation is very clear and very good visual (I see what I need).
I'm already in heel toe, but I'm fighting with galoping, because I'm using my heel on the pedal. like you showed before...
My orher problem is that Im alternating singles and doubles. For example singles for 8th note triplets, doubles for 16th's and I can't find the good settings for the pedal (Demon,Axis both longboards).
My settings for singles are not good for doubles.
Are you using singles as well?
What is your advice?
Thank you very much!
I do use singles as well. I get my settings good for doubles then just figure out how to make it work for singles. galloping is often fixed by pulling the beaters back further, adjusting pedal height, spring tension etc.
Hey man, what module are you using? Really love the kick.
+bloomr420 Roland TM-2 . I am using my own sample
How high are your beaters? They look just a little higher than the middle. I’ve watched all your videos also on the technique really did help.
Still trying to perfect it, I’m a singles guy but the endurance and speed would help so much with playing tech death.
It does save energy. They aren't super high. pretty close to the middle of the drum. I go up or down a bit to even out the strokes. It takes a lot of playing with the settings to get it consistent
I just ordered a set of Axis Longboards and I plan on using your video to learn this technique. One question I have is, do the Axis pedals allow to adjust the footboard angle and height independently? I thought that on Axis pedals all adjustments are made using the VDL. Can you explain? Thanks!
the footboard and angle are done together. the vdl is on top and adjusts the beaters forward or back for a different feel
I just got my pedals the other day. I got the A21 Sabres and I'm loving them. I set them up with the recommendations you made here in your video and immediately I was able start hitting double strokes. I'm already working on getting the doubles to roll together. I tried this technique with my Iron Cobras for months with no luck but as soon as I tried it with these Axis pedals the heel/toe technique felt so natural. I've been playing for a long time and I feel these Axis pedals have been one of the best drum investments I've ever made. This video was a huge help. Thank you so much for taking the time to post these!
+Erin Ritter that makes my day buddy. keep up the good work. the cobras were chain. that's the issue. direct drive makes all the difference.
about beater hight: I'm suprised to see you 'playing' with the beater hight. Doesn' the beater hight depend on the size of the bd in order to hit the bd head right in the center (for optimum sonic perfomance - at least when playing acoustically)?
Thomas Gruseman I'm triggering first off
Second of all with double pedals they are not always on the middle. If your not going to trigger or want super even consistent hits I would recommend single strokes.
Can you show a picture or little video how your pedals are set up? angle, spring tension, etc...
Knul en Knappie I have 3 heeltoe videos on my channel and they are well explained and so are all of the settings
Do you know if this technique works on tama speed cobras? For me, it doesn't work on them because my feet are 46 EUR so I have to do the down stroke with my heel and that"s not how it should be done (as you said it in the video)
I've got speed cobras and find that the heel plate stops my heels from extending below the pedal like he does in the video.
I haven't tried on the coberas, but I prefer no heel block. The demon drives, and Axis re perfect for this.
Slayer i can do the heel toe technique perfectly on speedcobras. so yes you can. i can on regular Iron Cobras and (not perfect every time) even the cheap $99 pdp pedals
yeah i find it hard to do on the cobra's to
thnx Z you gave me hope :-) i love the cobra's by look nd feel on single but its hard for doubles... but they're my 1st doubles so :-)
Thanks for your vid man! What kind of beaters do you use and how heavy are they?
Danmar wood beaters in this video. They are pretty heavy I suppose. heavier than others I have used
really good video! appreciate the tutorial and opinions on pedal positions too.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Bless you friendo!
Thanks buddy
Thanks dude. Well explained
I played 2 dw 18 x 24” bass drums if I get those axles pedals individually will I still be able to play as fast ?
you bet, but you will want to trigger them and CRANK the heads super tight... it might be hard to get them that tight in the middle. I have snapped a lug or 2 before and replaced them. I have my head looser these days.. and my springs a bit tighter.
Awesome tutorial! I have played a lot of ankle motion heel up technique and also some heel down when playing double bass and when I have a good day and is warmed up I can reach 180bpm but it still feels hard to get there. Would you say this technique is "easier" to learn than ankle motion? I think about starting to learn this as one of my band's songs is in 200bpm which I can do ankle motion in the right foot but the left is barely hearable.
hey, it's been 3 years, so, did you found out is it easier or not? I'm also kinda stuck at 170-180 with ankle motion and was wondering maybe i should try this
@@filippsik5258 I'm actually not of a double bass player anymore, at least not in extreme tempos. Death metal wasn't really my main genre so I left the band. I do play some double kick still but mainly at slower tempos and with full leg motion. My right can do ankle motions and heel toe without problem(I do a lot of doubles), but I always had trouble getting my left warmed up.
Nowadays I mainly play with rock bands and a pop artist haha!
@@filippsik5258 I would say hell toe is probably harder in the beginning, but once you get it it'll be a lot "easier" for you
I'm having trouble putting it together. I can get the doubles on each foot but when I try putting it together it sounds like flams. It's like my first left stroke hits at the same time as my second right stroke. I can't get the rrll separation like it should be. Any advice to help with that?
Beater height, spring tension, distance from head, head tension all effect the time between the double stroke.. if your left pedal is hitting too slow you need to adjust.. I can't really see how yours need to change unfortunately without being there. try playing with these settings and it will come eventually
beyondbetrayal thanks for the quick reply. Im gonna try different beater heights. That's one setting that I haven't played with much. I think I have the other settings locked in. Thanks
so should i switch petals before seriously trying to improve and switch to this technique?
Tough to say. I don't know what you are using. I'd suggest direct drive and long boards for this though. it helps a lot.
If you alternate left and right foot, do you still play RR LL?
I have 3 heel toe videos and I suggest watching them all as I explain everything and have helped many people get the technique down, but yes, RRLLRRLLRRLL even in triplets.
In what music do you use this?
Metal, death metal, end of songs, etc.
I've been trying this for weeks now, but past 210ish my thighs start tensing up really quickly, and above 240 the toe hit gets really lost. I've been working on full leg motion endurance, flat foot endurance and swivel technique besides that, so having the basic development of the needed muscle groups shouldn't be an issue. Any advice? Sitting at ~95 degrees leg angle, springs around 3/4 tightened on Trick P1V.
Try a tighter batter head and dial the spring down a bit,. It's more about rebound and technique than powering it out
beyondbetrayal Wouldn‘t that require me to lug my kick drum to every gig though? Backline kits kicks are rarely tuned all too high.
@@zb695 Well tighten your springs then and use a loser head. I pretty much use my own kit at every gig. Most metal bands do where I live. The punk band I play in uses a backline often. I have been working on tuning my head down for this technique though.
@@beyondbetrayal Where I live you basically just ruin the sound guys day by bringing your own kit haha. I think I've got my ways figured out now though, raised my throne a fair bit more too, which seems to have definitely helped with my thighs tensing up. Thanks for the tutorial and advice man!
@@zb695 That sucks but I love gear sharing when I don't use triggers on the kick. If you have a lose head pulling the beaters back, raising or lowering them, and tighter springs will help you.
quick question dude...do you still stuff your kick for feel if youre using ekits?
I do but not as much. Mostly because I am used to it..... I like something resting against the head.. but I stuff it way more with regular triggers.
Thanks...thought so
I use this technique and learned on eliminators and now the orange pearl eliminator cheapos, I’ve found there to be a lot of noise and feel slip in chain drive. Is there much of a difference transitioning to direct drives?
HUGE difference on direct drives.. less lag, less latency. it will be a big improvement
What about in technique to adapt to the new movement and feel? I’m leaning towards the tricks correct.
I had to adjust my technique for direct drive. They feel VERY light. You almost don't even feel your feet on them. Alot of it is due to the leverage. I'd suggest trying some in a music store. Tricks, Axis, Pearl Demons etc. They all have a very different feel from one another.
beyondbetrayal crazy thing is here in Vegas none of our guitar centers carry anything above the RARE set of demon drives and although they did offer 30 money back guarantee that’s still a big swing to try something and Sam ash said “nope try it and if you don’t like it we can try to figure something out at that point” I laughed and left.
Learned the wrong way decades ago, so it is tougher for me to execute that. I am trying though :=)
Thanks my friend 🤙🥁🤙👍
Thanks for watching
I just started to practise this technique but i can't hit hard while doing this like i normally do. Do i have to use triggers to balance the volume of my normal(heel up) and heel-toe strokes? Or if i practise enough can i hit harder with this technique? Because i really like to bang hard.
You would have to move the beaters back further and maybe add to your spring tension.. Your springs are related to your batter head. so if the head is tight, your springs can be looser.. vice versa.... If you want to hammer this technique it works, but your not going to have the same top speed either.
Thanks for your reply, I can hammer down around 180~200 bpm right now i just wanted to be faster with trying this. My spring tension is very tight and beaters are somewhere near 75 degrees. Like i said if i can hit harder trough practising it will be worth trying but if i need to use triggers anyway for going over 200bpm, i'd like to continue hammering instead of trying to learn this.
Well I don't know your exact settings, tensions, your style, what you play etc.. I am playing well above 200 so I use triggers, I think even single strokes sound better with triggers at 240bpm. You have to be the judge of it. To be honest I do recommend triggers for this technique as sometimes the second hit of the double isn't as loud.
thanks again for taking time to answer my questions. I appreciate your help
No problem buddy. If you have anymore hit me up and I'll do my best to answer for ya.
Hey dude... I have trick pro 1V pedals how do I do this in those... is it like the same or different
Should be the same thing. I like a tighter batter head and looser springs but thats personal preference, lately i have been making the springs a bit tighter and the head a bit looser. seems to work good.
beyondbetrayal ok thanks
Hey i just got my axis ekits today and i can't figure out how to put the trigger on the right side on. I Have the al 2 long board double pedals. The left trigger was easy to put on but the right trigger goes on another way. I would have to take off this spring but there isnt any room for the metal part connecting to the spring to come off. Im talking about the hammer part btw.
Rod Stiffington you need to take the spring assembly right off. once you do that and put it back on it hangs over the edge a bit
You are talking about the 2 springs on that pedal right? The metal part above that holds on the springs doesnt have enough room to slip off
Thanks i just figured it out.
It's a great technique for speed and requires A LOT of development and practice. Yet, you lose out on so many other aspects of drumming. Dexterity for volume, in particular. Still extremely worthy of learning and utilizing.
I don't use it in my punk band. I use it in my extreme metal band. It really depends on when you should use it. I always recommend getting good at double bass without triggers and doing heal toe first.
Tech question, have you ever tried putting the slave spring at the slave pedal? I dont have the microtune so its a bitch fiddling with tension...
Jamster I have not. Not sure how it would feel. Could always try it. That is why I got the microtune . good thing is once my springs are set i often leave them for months. remove the hats and snare while you set em up also
How long did it take to get used to the axis pedals? Just got the X series double longboard yesterday and i cant play as fast as i can on my dw9000's. It is only my second day playing them, should i return them and get the a's instead?
up to you. the a's have the adjustable vdl which I really like. the A21 lasers are great also. it takes a while to go from chain to direct drive. weeks. even months. they feel very different. once you get used to em you won't go back. 2 days isn't even a test drive with em Lol.
Thanks a lot. How long did it take to learn the heeltoe technique? I'm about to start learning it.
learn solid singles first. it's better than heel toe. I wish I never started some days because I neglected my singles. it's also a hassle to have to trigger it all the time. it doesn't take long to learn. takes longer to dial In the settings and get it tight. fast tight singles would be a better goal. also get used to your pedals before learning an obscure technique. just being honest from a guy who plays heel toe. :)
I really wanted to learn heel toe because i cant seem to get my single strokes any faster. 2 perfect example songs of my fastest i can do my fastest single strokes with would be Decapitateds - Spheres of madness, And Kalmahs - Sacramentum. I've been playing at those songs speeds for a while and cant seem to play any faster.
it takes hours and hours of practice man. years of playing. if it was easy everybody would be awesome fast drummers playing crazy double kick. there is no shortcuts and heel toe will not be a shortcut to singles. it works best for 220bpm and above. I'd suggest getting tight singles to at least 220 or 230 before learning it. but to each their own. if you watch my videos you will get it
Boooooom that open was murderous
Thanks. Had problems back when Ive had Axis SINGLE PEDALS even, My feet is 46/47 Euro size and im a big guy above 200 pound. With too much strength, So this seems to work when putting the feet in middle like you shown, I got my AXIS stolen but think of buying some new. U have any tips how to make them as tight as possible, Because the dealer couldn't even do that and thought it couldn't be true I played that hard. I have this giant front muscle on the calf, properly from years of King Fu. I run with Iron Cobra now but its annoying I play so fast that the pedals stops in the air or its my force. Even though most would be pleased, i want them to be faster for blasts beats. Same problem and problems when those hard hitting plastic metal heads smacks back at my foot. Can barely walk today, need to get some Construction boots next time, but its hard on /Metal long boat whose not even that long. Hails. good video. I really enjoyed it.
I am loving the Axis A21 Lasers.. they hit harder, the foot boards are WAY bigger as well.... They are super fast. Axis sell microtune spring tensioners that you could try out which make adjustents easier.. You can get heavy duty springs as well... You should need that with the adjustments.. Tighten em up, pull the beaters back, move the VDL towards your feet... you will be good to go.
beyondbetrayal Thanks im sucking that info into my brain. This is really great info. I just started up my band again after few years of rest. I really need to check all this out and hope i can order this stuff to Copenhagen/Denmark. Sounds fucking great. Thanks for the info a lot Bro:)
ever since i had to seperate the pedals to put the triggers on, i notice that the angle of the metal part connected to the beater on my left pedal changes almost daily. is there anyway way to fix this?
What metal part specifically. the one with the 2 set screws on the front? Tighten the set screws. they are not supposed to be loosened
beyondbetrayal the part that has the do not remove sticker on it
Rod Stiffington a friend had this happen. I had to remove the sticker and tighten the set screws. your not supposed to touch em but if they come loose you gotta. is it clicking? or the beater feel loose?
I didn't even know that there was screws under the sticker. The only thing that is happening is that my left pedal where the sticker was will lower the angle a little bit in like a day or 2..It only happens to the left pedal.
I'd take the sticker off and check.. there is 2 set screws under there, if they are fine just leave em alone
I'm having a hard time with this, but I'm grinding. How long did it take you to get up to speed like this?
not very long. it's all about the settings, crank the head up and its WAY easier.
@@beyondbetrayal the head of the beater? What do you mean? Sorry, I'm dumb
666XuluX666 the batter head of your bass drum
thanks for this vid! love your foot technique and your explanation is GREAT!
Been doing this technique with the right foot since childhood. I don't know how long it would take me to get the muscle memory down on the left foot and then be able to do it simultaneously in time with both feet though.
Less than you think. My left is my weaker foot, but it just takes repetition to get used to it. I was able to start doing this in a few weeks of practice. The settings matter more than anything.
@@beyondbetrayal Thank you.
Anyone else have trouble getting their double pedals to match? I'm an experienced drummer. I have watched videos..removing my feet from the equation....i can't get the pedals even. I have speed cobras
How make 16notes RRLL RRLL or RL RL RL RL?
@@nigelproctor exactly, just like you said :)
do u use triggers for youre kick?
I"m starting to less and less but you need to for heel toe
Hey are these pedals good for single stroke
You bet.
how long did it take you to get that coordination
Bruce Richards just a few weeks. it's simple once the settings are dialed in. my guitar player can do it with the right settings. it took longer to dial it in and get it consistent at Super high bpm though
Would this work on a Tama speed iron cobra?
sean christensen it definitely can, but you might have to adapt The technique slightly
w0w the Best super 1.👍❤
Crazy fast. Can we trade feet? Mine don't work like yours. I need to get Axis long boards.
Direct drive pedals DO help. And a band that writes songs JUST above your ability for years so you always have to push harder. hahaha.
beyondbetrayal that comment ^ on double bass drumming is the truest I’ve ever heard!!
If your band doesn’t write challenging double bass driven riffs then you’ll never accomplish these speeds especially if your trying to play this way in a standard rock/metal band it will just end up sounding sloppy and out of place.
Sounds like those old manual western union typewriters...lol
Great sound you get out of them though....👍😎
Yes they do
Good video
Glad you enjoyed
Thanks man
You're welcome!
Any thoughts on this with the X series with no VDL?
I never tried those. I am sure it would be a similar idea. It is like having the VDL in the middle, My top speed goes down a bit but it sounds tighter like that.
Dumb question... but seriously though. what is the VDL? I may have probably never heard the abbreviation. 👍🏼 on the video.
thanks for help me