Why Did Peter Tosh Part Ways With Sly & Robbie?
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- In 1976, Peter Tosh recruited Sly Dunbar and Robbie Shakespeare as the nucleus of his new magnificent band, Word, Sound & Power. After a stunning start the rhythm twins would leave the group in outrage.
#petertosh #slyandrobbie #jamaica #reggae #steppingrazor
and you made passing reference to it, but UK music owes reggae such a massive debt, there would have been no UK DnB, garage, dubstep, grime, etc. without the windrush input. gratitude and love
Sometimes everyone has to walk and don't look back. If this did not happen the world would have missed the magic made in 1983 at the Greek theatre in Los Angeles when Tosh had Fully on base & Santa on drums. My favourite version of Downpressor man is captured here
I was there ...GREAT💃🏼🌞🌿🌿
And world woud've missed the great Black Uhuru with Sly/Robbie/ Michael Rose/ Darryl Thompson 🔥✊🏾🔥
@@smoothoperator7023 they, before, were with Peter. Peter opened the door for them. I'd love to see Al Anderson and Darryl playing together with Peter on the stage.
As always interesting video. So I send my appreciation to Music Appreciation. 🎼💯🎼
Blessings 🙌 thanks for the watching
It's alright. Musicians always breakaway and evolve to find more freedom in productivity. Peter gave both Sly and Shakespeare needed limelight and inspiration to forge on. Also bear in mind Peter was already an international star at this point. It's all good and dandy.♥️✌️👍👏
... Absolutely, Conradsunkio ... Artists, creative people, do not stand still. Forever forging new directions.
Utmost love n respect for the musical works of these three geniuses.
Everything that manifested between them was supposed to manifest. 🖤
Thank you again, love the stories of reggae Icons
Aston and Carlton, Sly and Robbie - these men are more important than any reggae singer imo
Don't forget Flabba and Style
True so much contribution to Reggae Music,Jah guide & bless every man & woman who’s greatly contributed to the music..
Don't forget Al Andersen
Don't forget Earl Lindo
One don't exist without the others, works both ways.
I hold the Stepping Razor in High Regard but i for one am glad Sly and Robbie got to do their thing with Black Uhuru. Those Island sessions are nearly perfect in every way and I believe the Riddim Twins found their musical home with the band. Big up Reggae Appreciation Society for another great video. One Love
Lol peter evolve way better than sly and Robbie, listen peter last album no nuclear war, the instrumentalist/beats was way beyond its time
Not kidding, are you?
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Peter matched good with Fully and Santa, but Sly and Robbie were The greatest with him! They combined perfectly.
@@andreyviana504 have you listen to no nuclear war album? listen the instruments on that then compare it with his other albums,
@@odellowe7340 Yes, I love "in my song" and "lessons in my life".
Enjoyed thanks, great episode, Please could we learn more about The Congos. Who played on their albums etc.? Such a great vocal trio and they never get much mention.
Great suggestion 👍 thanks
Estoy contigo,mi álbum favorito es el swinging Bridge,y escuchar a cedric myton,es una gozada,Revolution,national héroes,bank of the river,etc,gran banda buenísima música y arreglos acompañamiento coros espectacular grande los congos😊
BE WISE, Peter is NOT in the land of the living to defend himself, so, anyone can say, what the person is NOT around is MEANINGLESS. For example, look at the Court, WHEN one person is in court next one is not what happened????? His ONLY Sorrow/Guilty making Sly & Robbie, come forward now, to gave THERE VERSION ONLY. HMMM
Lmao. What an argument is that?
@@josephnuttn3600 FACT IS FACT, WAITED UNTIL SOMEONE IS DEAD, THEN CHAT SHARE FICTION OF THAT PERSON THAT IS NO LONGER AROUND, THEN THEY SAY THEY DID THIS & THAT, ONLY THEIR VERSION OF WHAT HAPPENED
Sly and Robbie sued Peter. But Sly was there to help carry Peter's coffin. They were friends
True they were friends even beyond business
Great video!! Note the Taxi label was created in 1974 not 1979
Peter Tosh is my favorite Reggae Super Star and the real King of Reggae 🇯🇲🎶🎼🎵
Emperor of reggae bredda🫶
Sly and Robbie were essentially a highly in demand riddim section ever since their inaugural performance with the Mighty Diamonds' Classic Right Time Album (1976) and eventually with virtually everyone in Reggae's who's who lists of Greats and not so great..So the argument that Sly and Robbie "grew wings" has absolutely no basis.. Peter's very demanding and sometimes bullish demeanour pushed both guys to the edge...We should remember the Barrett brothers but especially drummer Carlton Barrett and guitarist Junior Marvin often experienced this type of harsh reprimand from the Tuff Gong, Bob Marley himself. And I'm convinced , had it not been for brother Aston Family Man Barrett's tolerance and placid demeanour, Carly would've abandoned the Wailers by the late 70s..
Yeah, Bob was based on the James Brown model of band leadership, with an iron rod.
One or two mess ups and you might be on the next flight back to Jamaica.
Peter was not as harsh, in my opinion but he did demand loyalty and maybe too much respect.
Sly and Robbie were way too much in demand to stay available for Peter's schedule, so they would have had to be replaced somewhere along the way and it seems Peter knew it and was prepared.
@@thenowchurch6419 Oh Yeah😄😄😄😄 You're certainly right about the Godfather James Brown, the self proclaimed "hardest working man in showbusiness...And some members of the Wailers would've gone down that same route had they not being so crucial to Bob's work as Bob essentially worked with two different bands for the Survival album of 1979 under the "Wailers" guise: Val Douglas on Bass, Mickey Boo Richards on drums and some others (Wake up and Live, Top Rankin .. etc). Those guys were brilliant. (Val Douglas in particular). You couldn't tell they weren't members of the original backup crew...
@@lawrencenjawe9875 Good points.
Those bredrins get overlooked in the history accounts.
Fully and Santa both live in California today.. Santa was in the house when Peter was murdered, Santa was shot and he still has the bullet in his shoulder. I see him from time to time and he says his shoulder doesn't ever bother him. Fully alongside Tony Chin do a weekly club in Long Beach California. Santa will show up from time to time to play, usually when they have special guest come in.
Thanks for sharing Ras Gregory G ✌️
So cool! Wish i knew when I was in Long Beach
@@marisakang4212 They are still playing every Sunday in Long Beach
@@ReggaeAppreciationSociety Carlton Santa Davis was one of the best reggae drummer 🥁.
Lmka😅ty lp k9op
The Best Reggae Concert I ever saw, and I saw a lot of them = Black Uhuru on the 27th of October 1981, in Belgium, Brussels, at the Ancienne Belgique concert hall , with Sly and Robbie, Michael Rose, Puma Jones and Duckie Simpson, the time of the release of the RED Album .... They were absolutely amazing, it was in a Heavyweight Rockers style, and absolutely groundbreaking sound in reggae ... They were groundbreaking, and live an absolute top band ... Sponji Reggae !!
I saw them in Santa Barbara opening for king sunny ade
Better than live at Rainbow Theater in London '81??? 🤯
WHO'S HIDING THIS FOOTAGE???? I've never saw that show!
B.U. with Michael Rose/ Sly /Robbie & the waaay underrated guitarist Darryl Thompson are the greatest reggae band of all time. ✊🏾
Guess who’s coming to dinner?
Legend them man
Been a while since I've been here, brother. You always uncover some of the myths and legends of this industry we support. Always so informed.
Welcome back mi lion ✌️ Thanks
This situation bears striking similarities to how the Artist extraordinare Prince fired the dynamic Musician/Producer duo, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.
Your channel is amazing, thanks! Greetings from Brazil!
Blessings mon ✌️ Thanks for watching
PETER TOSH CALLED SLY AND Robbie...fly and Rob me
I liked the Santa and fully days more
It's still made history and that's how Jamaica brought the music to the world...
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ITS 1 REASON WHY PETER AND SLY&ROBBIE, THE WAILERS AND THE SKATALITES BROKE UP TOO MANY GENIUS CANT BE IN ONE PLACE 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Black Uhuru and Toots and the Maytals top my list. Peter Tosh song, "Rastafari Is" live, has got to be my best concert. Still blows me away.
Thank you very much great Jah breda for your invaluable information. Could you please provide some info about the trio back chorus of Peter Tosh? I have not a slight of information of those great trio. Thank you
Why revisit this old news , two a the man dem gone and the other one a live his best life .
The story told here is accurate. He didn't just lose his bassist and drummer ,he lost the two men that arranged 99% of his music on the albums they did together. That Mama Africa album can't compare to the albums before that
Most of the Mama África songs were recorded between 79 and 81. Sly, Robbie, Daryl Thompson were there with Peter.
Good album actually
I Thank you for your your opinion and information on the Peter Tosh/ Sly and Robbie split.
Some of what you said I already knew has I was familiar with the late Peter Tosh and occasionally met him.
I'm also familiar with other past members of the Wailers and other Sly and Robbie associates including Sticky U and Larry McDonald. (Percussionist and Conga player Larry McDonald played on five of my albums and performed with me in concert throughout Canada and the US) I loved and enjoyed both Peter Tosh and Sly and Robbie's music
having met them, and enjoyed their records and concerts. R.I.P. Peter Tosh, and R.I.P Robbie Shakespeare (and R.I.P. to the many other passed Jamaican musicians I grew up with.) your music will live on.
Giving thanks that: A) You're alive and well and B) Able to share your experiences. Keep grooving, sir. May the music within and around always be good to you.
Thanks for sharing sir. I always appreciate you blessing us with your own rich experiences. Jah bless 🙌
@@loveheals6184 Thank you for your positivity and encouragement. All the Best to you and yours.
@@ReggaeAppreciationSociety Thank you for your Reggae Appreciation society, as it constantly brings back memories and highlights some things I wasn't aware of.Please be safe and keep up the good work.
@@ReggaeAppreciationSociety , Bros, I didn't want to be too-know and assume you were actually talking to me!!! Cos I'd seen you'd loved ❤ Mr. White's comment. I'm actually a mostly Ghanaian sister with some Nigerian ancestry who lived in Jos as a child. I'm deeply honoured that you'd love my comment and give me such a generous reply. The funny thing is I'd already promised myself that when I'm able to, if it's possible, I will someday journey to where you are just to say thank you for your meaningful work and this channel. Na so Jah go dey continue bless you, sah! 🙌🏿🥰💃🏿🙏🏿
Would you know if Sly & Robbie played with Peter at Pinkpop in The Netherlands in 1979, june 4?
Mick Jagger was there but he didn't show his face to sing Don't Look Back, which was quite a big hit in my country; and it made Mick look like a bit of an arse 😉
Great job once again I. Hey,you can.t keep two giants on lock.All strong personalities. The world needed to hear sponji reggae,that was the right stuff!😂😂We still love da whole a dem.👍🏽👍🏽
Blessed Love,,We Give Thanks for the important information,,🇱🇨👊🏼🇯🇲👍🏼♥️🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯☝🏻
Talented, brilliant, determined,militant,
Tosh is an Emperor of reggae .
Much love and respect 🫡
Ego.The downfall of many Great bands
Its the most ego heavy business in the world
When SLY AND Robbie leave PETER TOSH never missed them. Santa Davis was much better
But his later work shows something else. 😂
@@josephnuttn3600 He only had two albums after thet left and they were still good.
Santa played in some tracks of Legalize it, Mama Africa and the whole No Nuclear War. Peter had with him great drummers. But the only ones that can play bass magically in his songs were Aston and Robbie.
They are so versatile, pushing the reggae genre to new heights. Their work with bill laswell on the dub album Automaton- Dub, Terror, Exhaust is soooo good!
It's nice to hear a natural voice over such interesting subject matter, Big Appreciation
Thanks a lot
I was very lucky to see them play not 1 but 2 times.
LIAR
Excellent video!!!
Glad you liked it! Blessings ✌️
The Taxi Tour of 1986 was amazing - Sly&Robbie on bass n drums: Yellowman, Ini Kimozie, Michael Rose. One of the best tours ever.
I saw that tour one of the best shows
Seen them in that year with half pint instead of Michael Rose I thought?
10th anniversary in 84 was a precursor
It wasn't Michael Rose on that tour ... it was Half Pint ...
Peter tosh was fearless
Lol - he was afraid of Keith Richards when he called out Tosh and told him to get the f*** out of Richards Jamaican crib
Tosh WAS NOT AFRAID of Keith Richards..!
@bongoeshebantu6713 lol - he abandoned Richard's house after telling Keith it was "his, now" - Richards told he was coming over "heavy" and wud deal with him when he got there. Tosh was nowhere to be found when Richards got there.
You be the judge.
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I’m sure Peter was not afraid of that heroin addict
another excellent and informative video. thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
Sly and Robbie outgrew Peter…
The Revolutionaries ( with Serge Gainsbourg in the middle of that photo).
Some times you need room to grow and sly and robbie ended up a monster who have played with so many that we ended up bliss with there works that will be there for us to play forevermore. Jah , God bliss them for that.
sly acted like him did waa done.the rumbar and robbie always want to take more than 2quatty so before peter touch the ions and clap it him just be a big man and stop it. wow i feel like an artiste😅
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It is a shame that these 3 greats separated. Word, Sound and Power were incredible but in my opinion, if Peter says that he's the boss then the stepping razor is the boss!
It’s never a shame when a very talented duo or trio separates and each finds success. It means they eventually got too big to be in one band and their individual talents needed to further blossom and shine individually. It’s also an opportunity for the fans to fully appreciate who indeed is a star and who isn’t. If you cannot replicate that success after the split, then you were never truly the star to begin with. Peter and Bunny proved that they were stars in their own right when they split from Bob. And Sly & Robbie proved that they were stars in their own right when they split from Peter. RIP Robbie Shakespeare.
An emperor of reggae brother 🫶
I had no idea that these were the reasons to the fall-out. A fallout that has had an incredible impact on reggae music…I think their association would have produced a lot more had it been collaborative and focused…a loss to that musical sound essentially but we’re grateful for the albums they did record together: they remain musical gems.
Fly and rob me.
One Love!
As legendary as he was, Peter was just way too militant and angry.
... That is what many oppressed, Black people who are conscious of the battle we wage with white supremacy and its collaborators, every morning when we wake, LOVED about our Direct Call to Arms Revolutionary, Petah..!
His anger and militancy was in proportion to his understanding of the demonic powers that run our world ...
Thanks 🙏
Yesss💃🏼🌞🌿🌿, THX🙋🏻♀
Thank you, I made sure to use some of these facts to update my Reggae History Doc! Bless Up ..
I would not call Sly & Robbie the greatest rythm section in the history of reggae but one of the 2 greatest, the other being the Barrett brothers.
Your channel and videos are awesome!!! Cheers from Buenos Aires, Argentina
King never fail
PETER WAS THE BOSS PERIOD! HE EVEN TAUGHT BOB MARLEY HOW TO GUITAR! HE WAS SPOT ON A LEGEND! STAND DOWN!
Is your caps lock stuck?
Tell dem souljah 💪🏿
Peter my artist
Robbie’s best playing was with Peter
Peter was very tempermental and egostistical. He made his best music with.Slyn n Robbie
A dub Experience 1985 was15 years ahead of it's time . .
Peter tosh was a type of an agressive man according to so many reggae artists. He had his own way and that is why so many musicians of his band brokz away from him
Word Sound and Power in Greek Theatre did the magic
What an interesting piece of information.👍
💫All too often, broad sweeping generalization, about everyting.
All reggae musicians,🇲🇱 ‘keep on movin’, and if you’ve run internationally, I and I , always start,..progress ,and finish. 🇯🇲Peter was a friend to me, we shared producers and guidance from Colin Leslie, for instance. 💜
Wha mek me vex…👈🏽 don’t seh, that Sly & Robbie, were ‘this and that’, when yuh show Carlton and Family man, who everyone does defer to while , missing Santa and Fully, as the breddas, who went on tour, wit Peter’s stage group.💥
i dont think that can be called part ways with all the albums they did together
I think Chris Whitie offer those Guys ah money to move away from Peter.
My first reggae album was Peter’s Legalize It. It is only after loving that recording did I turn on to Bob Marley.
Tosh was certainly the Malcolm X to Bob’s Martin Luther… but that angry militant perspective was rooted in an addiction to control and strong jealousy. No doubt this goes back to childhood trauma growing up in Trenchtown.
Unfortunately that which gave him a most powerful revolutionary music also doomed him from having peace in his creative relationships.
You are doing great work bringing these videos to the world. I know of no where else to get such concise knowledge of reggae history and culture. Thank you!!
Blessings ✌️ Thanks for watching
I often hear this parallel of Bob to Peter like MLK to Malcolm X but i don't think it applies. While the two great AA leaders were different in almost every regard (faith, philosophy, ideology, tactics...) Bob and Peter were both Rastafari and shared most of their views on politics, socio-economic issues etc.
The only major difference is that Bob favored diplomacy in dealing with people, including authorities, while Peter was more confrontational. They were both revolutionaries fighting their battle with music, only with a different attitude.
@@musamusashi True
Peter tosh loose canon
He didn’t have a choice.
Ooh wee! What’s that wicked Riddim playing in di background?
A balanced and fair account.
Thanks ❤️💛💚
Saw sly and Robbie with Peter Tosh at the Roxy in San Diego must’ve been the late 70s don’t remember but what a shout sly and Robbie were wearing their Farmer John’s
A universal Law; For Every GAIN THERE is A LOSS AND FOR EVERY LOSS THERE IS A GAIN. Seek the POINT of Balance.❤
Thank the stars they broke away from Tosh, because eventually everyone wanted Sly and Robbie in the studio.
Real musicians 😂😂😂
There was a hidden hand behind the scene that was sabotaging Peter and Bunny from the day they both decided not to be his musical wage slaves. But when you're hungry and living in poverty those forcing would be the beneficiaries of our creative and artistic culture.
FullyWood and Santa Davis were the bassist and energetic
Peter a crosses pure confusion with him westmoreland madness dem people nuh sensible
Ducky Simpson seems to have corroborated that in his story about Black Uhuru..
The backup band got top billing.
From everything i've ever heard from Sly & Robbie on the subject they were happy as hell to get out of there.
Peter was out of fucking control 😂😂😂😂
peter and bunny left the wailers half way thru 1974
Santa is a better drummer than Sly & Robie
But he's not half of the other riddim twins. There's only one.
No way, Sly can play every style and he proved it in his eclectic career, while Santa is an excellent Reggae drummer, but no more than that.
If yiu say Santa was more fit for Peter Tosh's music, than maybe we can agree.
@@musamusashi Yes my mark for santa was based only on his reggae playlist, which is fantastic. All the Sly's reggae appearances (I know) make no good comparism with Santa. Just to introduce myself: I play reggae everyday.
Wow! Thanks. Did not know all of that.
Brilliant musicians all of them.
Peter tosh is too ignorant and dangerous at times 😂
That drumroll triggered Tosh lol
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Bon appetit mi lion. Thanks for the support always 🙌
Love Peter Tosh. But come on let’s get real. His music was not better than Bobs. I think ppl just say that to be different. Peter had a few songs that straight up sucked.
If the music industry told you Peter was the legend and not Bob, you would be saying Bob was better than Peter. Peter's music was and still is on another level than Bob's. Keep letting the white music industry tell you who is the best in music not of their making.
@@cruciancruzangirl05 😆. I swear you’re all the same. So concerned with what white ppl think & value your own intelligence so low that you think it’s easy work for white ppl to manipulate your thought. So much so that you think that applies to every other black person. I guess your comment is true simply because you said it don’t you. Music is subjective. I find Bobs music better TO ME (subjective) because I find him to have more melodic music & I find that he was the better writer. If you think Peter was better that’s your business. I’m a musician. Not trying to pull rank but I’ll just assume that I understand music progressions a bit more than most ppl. But still that don’t mean that ppl don’t hear good music when they hear it. Both artist made great music but TO ME Bob was just on another level. Keep your foolishness to yourself
Don’t compare pop and roots music.. Tosh will always be the Emperor.. and we got kings
Sly was actually doing 1 ,2,3 count to signal the start of a song for Peter..... then Peter disrespected him publicly on stage for nothing.... i was there on that beach concert tittled 'Sly Slick and wicked.....it was the frist time I ever seen Sly ' gotten upset and mad being around him as kid
Word Sound & Power 2 > Sly Robbie
Imagine Tosh on those Black Uhuru Riddims…..
Artistically Tosh was on the wane for quite a while by then, so with Michael Rose & co Sly & Robbie had a far more interesting new musical project to concentrate on. Still, Santa and George Fullwood were an apt substitute, to say the least!
@@fredvan6043 Boy hush.
He referred to them as "Slime and Rob Me" after their fall out 😂
That's kinda childish isn't it?
Jealousy and envy
@@josephnuttn3600 not at all, it's actually creative
When Peter got Fully on bass & Santa on drums The Music went to the Next Level ..
When playing Live with Peter Sly Dunbar and Robbie were totally butchering Peters Music was a horrible sound
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Brethren Sly and Robbie didn’t do any work on the album Mama Africa Santa Davis was the drummer on that album.
@@user-fu4it5dw1p Sly & Robbis played on Feel No Way and two other tracks. Santa and Fullwood held down the rest
Mon, Santa played only in two tracks. Most of the Record was made between 79 and 81.
@@andreyviana504 where were you when that album Mama Africa was being recorded were you in the studio when it was recorded? See some of you people just talk run you mouth without even knowing the real facts and always try to discredit people who put in serious work on projects. Santa Davis played on all the tracks on the album Mama Africa album. So people like you need to do your research and stop making assumptions on things you don’t know about.
@@user-fu4it5dw1p are you a fucking ass dumb? Do I need to be in French Revolution to know the details that happened in this satanic event? I, pot head, used to talk with Ed Elizalde and had conversations with Santa Davis, Fully and Keith Sterling when they were in tour with Andrew Tosh. You better stop to be a big asshole thinking that you are a moralist and mr know it all in the internet. Now, put yourself in your insignificance and get out from here, your jelly ass.
@@user-fu4it5dw1p you dont know nothing about reggae drumming. The difference between Sly and Santa are very clear and someone that few very little about reggae will know when Carly, Style Scott, Sly, Santa and Horsemouth are playing. Santa played with Peter in two tracks, also, in Legalize It album. But you, as the dumbest, dont have the potential to fight down i man, because I'm the toughest.
He's my guide jah guide
no mention of Donald Kinsey????
Great ❤
Sly and Robbie needed to be more committed to Peter Tosh! Peter on the other hand spoke sometimes too much while performing, and most of the things he said were irrelevant!!!