Her key fixes most of her problems. She still has a long CD on her ult, but turning her support actions and other single-target damage into Ice is big - as well as gaining stacks from sources of ice damage and ignoring defense + the buff to DPS'. She takes a lot more investment to get the most out of her, though than someone like Vector or Mechty.
@@masahirukouta21 Sure I can do a video like that one day! If you want to know the answer right now, dush synergy with maki is: Frost tiles, Implanting Ice Weakness, Buffing Ice dmg, support attack Mechty can also apply corrosion tiles, implanting corrosion weakness but her synergy with peritya/klukai is: Buff corrosion dmg Buff AOE dmg Change AOE support attacks to corrosion (peritya support attacks are usually physical) Trigger petriya support attack Klukai Synergy with peritya is that everytime she uses her ultimate/corrosive infusion, it'll trigger petriya support attack (activates based on ally dealing AOE dmg) so she can do support attacks like 6 times per turn.
It is funny, to me, that literally every content creator has, thus far, completely ignored the fact that Dush gives your entire team 2 extra movement tiles. The single biggest aspect of any turn-based tactical content, that is not a mindless DPS-check, is logistics. For any of you that play SoC, think of Gloria (or Homa). Neither is "meta" for any trial boss, but they get used more than almost any other characters, on aggregate - Simply because they add movement. Dush adds more, total, than either of those other units, and is, thus far, the only access to movement increases in GFL. It boggles my mind that the entire GFL community seems content to just ignore this important factor. Also, on comparisons, the dmg amp % of Springfield to Tolo, vs Dush to Macchi, is indeed somewhere around 10-20% more for Tolo, Springfield is only likely to be able to sustain that single amp at one time, whereas Dush is also amping the entire rest of the team, w/o needing to use a single action to do so. So to compare a straight 1-for-1 comparison to a single character's amp % is an inaccurate assessment of Dush's value. I can't disagree that Springfield, and probably Vector, are better than Dush. Both are absolutely essential to their respective elements (and Springfield is the most universal amp in game - quite possibly the most valuable unit in general). But Dush is, in my estimation, considerably more valuable than Mechty, and not actually that far behind the great Springfield. I think even CN is still sleeping on Dush, a bit, but that is due solely to Ice not being a meta bossing comp, due to immunities of bosses.
pulling v1 dush to get extra movement and 20% dmg increase dont see worth tbh more when the endgame is just dmg check, i think ice team need another dps for dush to shine her global buff
I'm not so sure about other CCs but for me, one of the reason why dush isn't rated so highly in CN even though she has mobility buff for the entire team is because she still lacks ST/Aoe dmg and her buff can be easily replaced with other characters. She needs V3 to become viable for AOE, V5/6 for ST. Her V1 makes her more viable with random buff, dmg buff (arctic benediction), and mobility but the extra movement is more of a niche, could be really good in the right scenarios (like flipping a switch). edit: ofc, she might be rated more highly in the future if there are more ice units in the future In CN, there's only a few endgame modes right now and they usually don't require mobility. Tarkrov mode: More about having a roster. Expansion Drills: Expansion Drill 11 is more about boss fights. Platoon gunsmoke boss: Boss fight and mostly a DPS check. Seasonal Extreme Projection: Except for the earlier stages, mostly a boss fight? As for springfield, I might be understanding your point wrongly, do let me know if I am. I think Springfield ult buffs all allies, increasing hydro dmg. She also has a single target buff that does the same thing but the buff that gives index is unlocked at V1. If you're talking about dush buffing everyone with passive (w/o single action) and then buffing team with ult, then yeah, dush doesn't need a single action to buff the team.
@ Not sure what you mean about Springfield's ult. I assume you refer to the debuff, but that is still going to take 2 rounds to reach 15% (or 3 rounds with anyone other than Tolo). If we are talking v6, then Dush is doing 5% more than Springfield's max, and twice as much with mod key - That doesn't even include the extra whatever (85% ?) to ice dmg, which even for non-ice units would still happen every 3 turns, due to Dush's Ult. That is far more amp, than the 15% max from Springfield's ult, and more than mitigates the 10-20% "burst" single-target amp gained from the over-heal, especially if 1-2 of the other units in comp are also DPS like Klukai, QJ, or even Tolo. Maybe I misunderstood.
@ My whole point there was; Though springfield does buff her primary target (tolo) by more, than Dush amps her primary target (Macchi), the "ancillary" amping for the other team members is definitely more from Dush, and should make up for most, of the advantage Tolo is gaining, when considering aggregate total of team dmg gained. I.E. If we add Klukai into both pairs, then the Klukai with Dush will definitely be getting more amp, than the Klukai with Springfield (unless you are also juggling over-heal on Klukai and Tolo, which means Springfield now does no attacking ever, which means you must subtract her dmg per cycle from all dmg gained from skill 1.) Hopefully that makes sense.
@ Also note that these amp ratios presume whomever Springfield is amping with skill 1, must be full, or nearly full health, in order to reach the maximum amplification from overheal. None of Dush's amp disrupts her attacking, nor does any part of it have qualifiers to activate, in part or in whole. Situationally, Springfield may not be able to hit her max amp potential, whereas Dush has no "potential" amp. (Again, I am not remotely arguing that Dush is better than Springfield - Merely that the difference is not as great as seems to be assumed.)
She will never be more valuable than she is now. Ice is the only good team rn in glb, every other team is missing their core units/buffs and dual ele will only become viable after vector or 416 releases, until then, her and Ice team will be undisputed meta. Comparing her to future units is stupid because its a gacha game and every single one of these units will get powercreeped eventually anyways the same way v6 416 has already been powercreeped by v6 springfield... A support outdpsing a dps.
I do agree with you! I mentioned this in my dush pulling opinion video that she's going to be meta now until other future units push to a burn/hydro/corro meta. I don't think comparing her to future units is that stupid because there's some people out there who would like to see the future value of the characters and they don't like to pull for characters that they eventually know they won't be using in the future. To each their own! And I do agree, in a lot of gacha games, there's a lot of powercreep. One thing mica tries to do is buff older units by giving them expansion keys to make them more viable.
It would be stupid, if there were not historical evidence that this game takes active steps to avoid power creep behaving in the standard, linear fashion. Tolo moved up, from t2 to t0, with her mod-key, and shortly after became the meta, with Springfield. Half of the original characters are higher now, than they were at launch. Your statement would be accurate, if this video was about Honkai, or most any other game (certainly any western game), but it is considerably less valid in this context. Cynicism is best saved for when it is justified, in my experience. Of course powercreep exists. It is impossible to sell anyone a product that is inferior to what they already have. But you are talking about a character as if they were powercrept the moment they were born, despite the fact that Springfield is most likely about 8 months away. Other than Silverash, I can't recall any character, in any game, that managed to stay meta for over 8 months, but it does not mean that character becomes garbage, just because someone else becomes slightly better. Reality isn't a zero-sum game. Even gacha games are not zero-sum.
@danelmore6553 unless they reintroduce mod3 from gfl1, dolls with their mod key will be them at their final strength. At the current moment where the roster size is small thats enough of a change to bring them up to t0 but thats only because, excluding Jiangyu, there has yet to be any doll released that replaces the role and ele of the original, we've only just gotten a full mono team with fire for example. Yes Ak Alpha and qbz are in a much better position rn in cn than they were originally but only because there hasn't been a newly released sentinel of their respective ele and since they've already gotten their mod key, there are no signs of them getting anymore stronger. Ksvk got her mod key but vector and springfield have yet to get their mod key and once they do the cycle of powercreep repeats again. Nonetheless, if you truly care about meta, you will pull her regardless since Ice will never dominate at this level ever again, even if CN got a new OP ice dps to fully complete an Ice mono team, it's still in contention with the fire team. The gap between ice and other teams will never be as big as it is now. What I do hope for the future since they have finally started finishing their mono ele teams is add endgame gamemodes that demand mono ele teams. PGR for example has had units be meta for 2+ years because every meta unit of every ele is required and the cycle of replacing them with a new unit is long enough to keep them relevant for 2 years.
Her key fixes most of her problems. She still has a long CD on her ult, but turning her support actions and other single-target damage into Ice is big - as well as gaining stacks from sources of ice damage and ignoring defense + the buff to DPS'. She takes a lot more investment to get the most out of her, though than someone like Vector or Mechty.
I don't really mind how you sound, I just hope for more wonderful vids from you. Keep up the good work (I exist)
Thanks a lot! I really appreciate that 😊
@@seeunlea very helpful guide.
can you make a video explaining synergy for dushe and makiatto, and also mechty with preitya and klukai
@@masahirukouta21 Sure I can do a video like that one day!
If you want to know the answer right now, dush synergy with maki is:
Frost tiles, Implanting Ice Weakness, Buffing Ice dmg, support attack
Mechty can also apply corrosion tiles, implanting corrosion weakness but her synergy with peritya/klukai is:
Buff corrosion dmg
Buff AOE dmg
Change AOE support attacks to corrosion (peritya support attacks are usually physical)
Trigger petriya support attack
Klukai Synergy with peritya is that everytime she uses her ultimate/corrosive infusion,
it'll trigger petriya support attack (activates based on ally dealing AOE dmg) so she can do support attacks like 6 times per turn.
@@seeunlea Thanks !!
Theres so much misinformation on this comment section it feels like ppl are coping for making bad decisions
It is funny, to me, that literally every content creator has, thus far, completely ignored the fact that Dush gives your entire team 2 extra movement tiles. The single biggest aspect of any turn-based tactical content, that is not a mindless DPS-check, is logistics. For any of you that play SoC, think of Gloria (or Homa). Neither is "meta" for any trial boss, but they get used more than almost any other characters, on aggregate - Simply because they add movement. Dush adds more, total, than either of those other units, and is, thus far, the only access to movement increases in GFL. It boggles my mind that the entire GFL community seems content to just ignore this important factor.
Also, on comparisons, the dmg amp % of Springfield to Tolo, vs Dush to Macchi, is indeed somewhere around 10-20% more for Tolo, Springfield is only likely to be able to sustain that single amp at one time, whereas Dush is also amping the entire rest of the team, w/o needing to use a single action to do so. So to compare a straight 1-for-1 comparison to a single character's amp % is an inaccurate assessment of Dush's value.
I can't disagree that Springfield, and probably Vector, are better than Dush. Both are absolutely essential to their respective elements (and Springfield is the most universal amp in game - quite possibly the most valuable unit in general). But Dush is, in my estimation, considerably more valuable than Mechty, and not actually that far behind the great Springfield. I think even CN is still sleeping on Dush, a bit, but that is due solely to Ice not being a meta bossing comp, due to immunities of bosses.
pulling v1 dush to get extra movement and 20% dmg increase dont see worth tbh more when the endgame is just dmg check, i think ice team need another dps for dush to shine her global buff
I'm not so sure about other CCs but for me, one of the reason why dush isn't rated so highly in CN even though she has mobility buff for the entire team is because she still lacks ST/Aoe dmg and her buff can be easily replaced with other characters. She needs V3 to become viable for AOE, V5/6 for ST. Her V1 makes her more viable with random buff, dmg buff (arctic benediction), and mobility but the extra movement is more of a niche, could be really good in the right scenarios (like flipping a switch).
edit: ofc, she might be rated more highly in the future if there are more ice units in the future
In CN, there's only a few endgame modes right now and they usually don't require mobility.
Tarkrov mode: More about having a roster.
Expansion Drills: Expansion Drill 11 is more about boss fights.
Platoon gunsmoke boss: Boss fight and mostly a DPS check.
Seasonal Extreme Projection: Except for the earlier stages, mostly a boss fight?
As for springfield, I might be understanding your point wrongly, do let me know if I am. I think Springfield ult buffs all allies, increasing hydro dmg. She also has a single target buff that does the same thing but the buff that gives index is unlocked at V1. If you're talking about dush buffing everyone with passive (w/o single action) and then buffing team with ult, then yeah, dush doesn't need a single action to buff the team.
@ Not sure what you mean about Springfield's ult. I assume you refer to the debuff, but that is still going to take 2 rounds to reach 15% (or 3 rounds with anyone other than Tolo). If we are talking v6, then Dush is doing 5% more than Springfield's max, and twice as much with mod key - That doesn't even include the extra whatever (85% ?) to ice dmg, which even for non-ice units would still happen every 3 turns, due to Dush's Ult. That is far more amp, than the 15% max from Springfield's ult, and more than mitigates the 10-20% "burst" single-target amp gained from the over-heal, especially if 1-2 of the other units in comp are also DPS like Klukai, QJ, or even Tolo.
Maybe I misunderstood.
@ My whole point there was; Though springfield does buff her primary target (tolo) by more, than Dush amps her primary target (Macchi), the "ancillary" amping for the other team members is definitely more from Dush, and should make up for most, of the advantage Tolo is gaining, when considering aggregate total of team dmg gained. I.E. If we add Klukai into both pairs, then the Klukai with Dush will definitely be getting more amp, than the Klukai with Springfield (unless you are also juggling over-heal on Klukai and Tolo, which means Springfield now does no attacking ever, which means you must subtract her dmg per cycle from all dmg gained from skill 1.) Hopefully that makes sense.
@ Also note that these amp ratios presume whomever Springfield is amping with skill 1, must be full, or nearly full health, in order to reach the maximum amplification from overheal. None of Dush's amp disrupts her attacking, nor does any part of it have qualifiers to activate, in part or in whole. Situationally, Springfield may not be able to hit her max amp potential, whereas Dush has no "potential" amp. (Again, I am not remotely arguing that Dush is better than Springfield - Merely that the difference is not as great as seems to be assumed.)
sadly my Lenna is the last :(
full burn on the Lenna banner with me my brother 🫡
Waifu over meta! I pulled for dush today!! but I failed 5050 so I guess I'm skipping..
@@seeunlea I have to start thinking about common keys so I might pull for dush at the end of the banner
Good luck with your pulls!
She will never be more valuable than she is now. Ice is the only good team rn in glb, every other team is missing their core units/buffs and dual ele will only become viable after vector or 416 releases, until then, her and Ice team will be undisputed meta.
Comparing her to future units is stupid because its a gacha game and every single one of these units will get powercreeped eventually anyways the same way v6 416 has already been powercreeped by v6 springfield... A support outdpsing a dps.
I do agree with you! I mentioned this in my dush pulling opinion video that she's going to be meta now until other future units push to a burn/hydro/corro meta.
I don't think comparing her to future units is that stupid because there's some people out there who would like to see the future value of the characters and they don't like to pull for characters that they eventually know they won't be using in the future. To each their own!
And I do agree, in a lot of gacha games, there's a lot of powercreep. One thing mica tries to do is buff older units by giving them expansion keys to make them more viable.
It would be stupid, if there were not historical evidence that this game takes active steps to avoid power creep behaving in the standard, linear fashion. Tolo moved up, from t2 to t0, with her mod-key, and shortly after became the meta, with Springfield. Half of the original characters are higher now, than they were at launch. Your statement would be accurate, if this video was about Honkai, or most any other game (certainly any western game), but it is considerably less valid in this context. Cynicism is best saved for when it is justified, in my experience.
Of course powercreep exists. It is impossible to sell anyone a product that is inferior to what they already have. But you are talking about a character as if they were powercrept the moment they were born, despite the fact that Springfield is most likely about 8 months away. Other than Silverash, I can't recall any character, in any game, that managed to stay meta for over 8 months, but it does not mean that character becomes garbage, just because someone else becomes slightly better. Reality isn't a zero-sum game. Even gacha games are not zero-sum.
@danelmore6553 unless they reintroduce mod3 from gfl1, dolls with their mod key will be them at their final strength. At the current moment where the roster size is small thats enough of a change to bring them up to t0 but thats only because, excluding Jiangyu, there has yet to be any doll released that replaces the role and ele of the original, we've only just gotten a full mono team with fire for example. Yes Ak Alpha and qbz are in a much better position rn in cn than they were originally but only because there hasn't been a newly released sentinel of their respective ele and since they've already gotten their mod key, there are no signs of them getting anymore stronger. Ksvk got her mod key but vector and springfield have yet to get their mod key and once they do the cycle of powercreep repeats again.
Nonetheless, if you truly care about meta, you will pull her regardless since Ice will never dominate at this level ever again, even if CN got a new OP ice dps to fully complete an Ice mono team, it's still in contention with the fire team. The gap between ice and other teams will never be as big as it is now.
What I do hope for the future since they have finally started finishing their mono ele teams is add endgame gamemodes that demand mono ele teams. PGR for example has had units be meta for 2+ years because every meta unit of every ele is required and the cycle of replacing them with a new unit is long enough to keep them relevant for 2 years.
Mica also rebalance things. Overall it will all come close to each player's preference