I can’t believe how good this channel is. I’m now trying to figure out what I need. I think I want a DAS with raid and some expansion options in terms of extra bays. I’ve been out of the PC game for 10 years as I’m on Mac …I see they haven’t change much 😂 which is a good thing for me.
Love you man! For the fact that you're so passionate about what you do. I'm a bit on the fence over these drives. Luckily, the Swedish stores are clear on whether they're NT or NE drives. My problem is that the Exos 7E8 (ST8000NM000A) and 7E10 (ST8000NM017B) drives cost 20-25% less than the Pro NT drives, at least on the Swedish market. The thing is, I'm not sure if it's a no-brainer to just go for the Exos drives or if there are advantages to the Pro NT drives (that are relevant to me) that might make the higher price point worth it. I'm looking at 8TB drives to use internally in my PC. I already have a regular Ironwolf 8TB that I've had for a couple of years (ST8000VN0022, total TBW=40) and the plan was always to expand on that for extra space, speed and a bit of redundancy. The funny thing is that the 8TB Exos drives are even cheaper than the current gen regular Ironwolf drives (ST8000VN004). While I don't really need more performance than the regular IW, because whichever drive I get it's gonna be limited by the slightly older IW drive I already have, the Exos drives are actually cheaper... I do want durable drives to keep for many years to come. But then again, I don't want drives that may be significantly noisier... But it doesn't make sense to go for a _more expensive_ drive that is just quieter but slower (matters less though) and significantly less durable with the regular IW. That's why I'm considering the IW Pro NT, because I'm suspecting they may be a bit quieter than the Exos drives and basically the same performance and durability (even though I'm performance capped). So, either I go maximum noise, performance and durability for the lowest price, or I go (hopefully) slightly quieter, same performance & durability for 25-30% more money... Another point that's important to me, since they're going internally in my PC, is that they need to handle being suspended in and waking up from sleep mode without issues. And I would assume the Exos drives handle that just as well as the other, but since Seagate is not even listing a power consumption rating for sleep/suspended mode I'm thinking there's a slight chance they're not well adapted for that, which makes me lean further toward the IW/IW Pro drives, which do have an official rating for that. And I've been moving back and forth on this for more than a year I think. I'm at my wits end and hoping you could offer some advice.
I bought a 4TB a month ago as a back up. They have the top of the line durability & performance without the noise of a Exos but as I discovered they can get hotter than a Saturday arvo barby. So putting it in a heat dispersion cage should help. But finding one with its own built in fan would be epic. A word of warning, I found that Amazon sell these drives at a bargain however you have a 35% chance of getting one that is DOA, so I paid $20 more to get a local one that was heavily packed for delivery. I liked your review of the mach 2, where performance is similar to an SSD, that is unheard of.
Is it better to do the Exos or Ironwolf Pro or are they about the same? Does Exos also get data recovery? Been looking at both and hoping to get a first NAS. Many times the Exos is a bit cheaper than the Ironwolf Pro.
NAS Compares did an earlier review comparing those too. Exos and the ones from WD do not have the data recovery program. Also, I believe he found that the Enterprise drives - Ultrastar, Exos etc, run noisier since they are meant for data centres. These Red and IronWolf Pro drives are used in office environments and hence designed to run quieter.
Me and my company bought 10 of the 14 TB iron wolf pro NAS drives. 6 out of the group all had the notorious beeping power failure upon first boot and were rendered useless. Needless to say me, and my company will never buy a Seagate drive again.
Our company (a big corp IT monster) will not use Seagate Drives. The reliability we experienced in our SAN was very poor. So used examples will be even more unreliable.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record. Don't do pro, do enterprise instead. 72% more (atm depending on region) compared to Exos is not exactly a great deal.
It all depends on how much data you need to store and how often you need to use it. Mechanical HDD's also benefit from technology progressing. So the gap is still there and I think it will be there for a long time.
Ssd: having 20 tb at 550€ = 27.5 €/Tb You can buy a samsung 8 tb ssd qvo for 450€ or a crucial mx 2tb for 115€. That is ~ 55€/Tb Both Bigger drives and enterprise drives are noisier, if you have a nas in your room or near your desk the exos and ultrastar are a no no On this channel there are some noise tests
I have 2 of these (will buy a 3rd in a few months) in a fractal define r5. That case is designed to be stupid silent. I'm happy with it and these drives :)
@@ShaneMcGrath. Not the Reds, those are SMR now. The Red Plus series. Oh, and the large capacity Red Plus are relatively quiet, but they click each 5 seconds or so due to a feature called Preventive Wear Leveling. My 14TB Red Plus does so, but I also have 4TB ones which are very quiet. Of course, nothing beats SSDs in terms of mechanical noise ;)
Of course. The only thing you might want to consider is that regular consumer drives are usually quieter. These are not horribly loud though, depends on how much that sort of thing bothers you. I have 4 x 22GB Ironwolf Pros in a NAS in my home office and the noise is not so annoying. And I'm usually sensitive to noise. Especially since I use an NVMe drive inside the NAS for an everyday share folder and HDDs are there for less frequent large file transfers.
Great content, not sure if #5 is a pro, apparently a company out there that makes these hdd’s put a code in their program to give an error message to any hdd’s that’s been plugged in for a certain amount of time. Not sure if it’s this company but it should be easy to find here on RUclips.
These drives are crazy, they have the same MTBF and warranty as the Exos drives and such while being quieter, plus the data recovery service. Almost certainly the drive I"ll be going with if and when I can afford to get another NAS. Unless they come out with a 22TB that's not stupidly expensive compared to these.
excuse me, but forensic recovery does not make sense for a drive that will be in a raid array. if drive was to fail and it is a part of lets say raid 5, you would replace it with a fresh one and not bother with recovery. It would make sense if whole array would be corrupted, but then you are dealing with raid corruption and that would need different kind of recovery.
Seagate warranty is a pile of SH*T...brand new 20tb Ironwolf pro (I have 30 of them) will not spin up and they want me to send in the motherboard specs to the server and two pc's I hooked it to. They want screenshots of it hooked as a standalone drive and screenshots as as secondary drive. They want a video of the drive hooked to a pc so they can remotely diagnose why it will not spin. Needless to say they did not replace it.
20TB drives are pretty useless in a home/small business/nas environment. Rebuild times are ridiculous at these capacity’s. If you run 20 of these sucker ok but wtf are you doing with 20 of these at home?
@@VividMac101 Agree, I unfortunately worked that out the hard and expensive way. Always go for more bays and bigger capacity drives even if you won't need it for 2 years.
@@crosspeen1 Yeah it’s crazy when you look back to whatever you had in the past especially considering the data storage requirements of today. I remember having a 320GB hard drive in my 2007 iMac and thinking I would never run out of space. I also had an Xbox 360 with the 20GB hard drive and was amazed at how much space that was especially for a console.
@@nascompares you must not have experienced their 1.5 or 3 GB drives. There's a reason why Seagate is offering data recovery services with every purchase.
Aren't you a lovely chap. I don't know what happened in your life that makes you want to 'go negative', but I'm sorry that it happened to you and that things get better soon man
I can’t believe how good this channel is. I’m now trying to figure out what I need. I think I want a DAS with raid and some expansion options in terms of extra bays. I’ve been out of the PC game for 10 years as I’m on Mac …I see they haven’t change much 😂 which is a good thing for me.
Love you man! For the fact that you're so passionate about what you do.
I'm a bit on the fence over these drives. Luckily, the Swedish stores are clear on whether they're NT or NE drives. My problem is that the Exos 7E8 (ST8000NM000A) and 7E10 (ST8000NM017B) drives cost 20-25% less than the Pro NT drives, at least on the Swedish market. The thing is, I'm not sure if it's a no-brainer to just go for the Exos drives or if there are advantages to the Pro NT drives (that are relevant to me) that might make the higher price point worth it. I'm looking at 8TB drives to use internally in my PC. I already have a regular Ironwolf 8TB that I've had for a couple of years (ST8000VN0022, total TBW=40) and the plan was always to expand on that for extra space, speed and a bit of redundancy. The funny thing is that the 8TB Exos drives are even cheaper than the current gen regular Ironwolf drives (ST8000VN004). While I don't really need more performance than the regular IW, because whichever drive I get it's gonna be limited by the slightly older IW drive I already have, the Exos drives are actually cheaper... I do want durable drives to keep for many years to come. But then again, I don't want drives that may be significantly noisier... But it doesn't make sense to go for a _more expensive_ drive that is just quieter but slower (matters less though) and significantly less durable with the regular IW. That's why I'm considering the IW Pro NT, because I'm suspecting they may be a bit quieter than the Exos drives and basically the same performance and durability (even though I'm performance capped).
So, either I go maximum noise, performance and durability for the lowest price, or I go (hopefully) slightly quieter, same performance & durability for 25-30% more money...
Another point that's important to me, since they're going internally in my PC, is that they need to handle being suspended in and waking up from sleep mode without issues. And I would assume the Exos drives handle that just as well as the other, but since Seagate is not even listing a power consumption rating for sleep/suspended mode I'm thinking there's a slight chance they're not well adapted for that, which makes me lean further toward the IW/IW Pro drives, which do have an official rating for that. And I've been moving back and forth on this for more than a year I think.
I'm at my wits end and hoping you could offer some advice.
I bought a 4TB a month ago as a back up. They have the top of the line durability & performance without the noise of a Exos but as I discovered they can get hotter than a Saturday arvo barby. So putting it in a heat dispersion cage should help. But finding one with its own built in fan would be epic. A word of warning, I found that Amazon sell these drives at a bargain however you have a 35% chance of getting one that is DOA, so I paid $20 more to get a local one that was heavily packed for delivery. I liked your review of the mach 2, where performance is similar to an SSD, that is unheard of.
I would only buy a refurbished drive for a secondary backup only. In a 321 it would be the third backup.
@@azwb When it comes to drives or backups, I only buy brand new.
What is the difference between NT001 and NE000 ? On the Seagate drives 20TB
Is it better to do the Exos or Ironwolf Pro or are they about the same? Does Exos also get data recovery? Been looking at both and hoping to get a first NAS. Many times the Exos is a bit cheaper than the Ironwolf Pro.
NAS Compares did an earlier review comparing those too. Exos and the ones from WD do not have the data recovery program. Also, I believe he found that the Enterprise drives - Ultrastar, Exos etc, run noisier since they are meant for data centres. These Red and IronWolf Pro drives are used in office environments and hence designed to run quieter.
@12:09 How many G's was forced on that 16TB drive? ;) Great review, thanks
10TB's Nas/Nas Pro's ftw. nice medium between price, size, performance, power and expandibility
would this be a good drive for storing Blu-Ray Rips for Blu-Rays I own? Thanks!
Thanks for the detailed review. I'm trying to figure out if this will work with Synology DS1522+?
I installed a 20tb IW Pro in my 224+
Works fine.
Hello
I have a NAS with NE drives, is it possible to mix with NT drives?
Me and my company bought 10 of the 14 TB iron wolf pro NAS drives. 6 out of the group all had the notorious beeping power failure upon first boot and were rendered useless. Needless to say me, and my company will never buy a Seagate drive again.
Oh damn that’s unfortunate!
Got 20 WD Gold drives, and 6 of them could not be detected by the server... so it's not a Seagate only issue...
Our company (a big corp IT monster) will not use Seagate Drives. The reliability we experienced in our SAN was very poor. So used examples will be even more unreliable.
Good job again, ... And I love seagulls and all nature sounds, they are more than good for me ❤
At the risk of sounding like a broken record. Don't do pro, do enterprise instead.
72% more (atm depending on region) compared to Exos is not exactly a great deal.
Yeah, but should we buy this instead of an Exos? ;)
Didn't backblaze rate Seagate a F on reliability?
I'm thinking of buying a new laptop, any clue how to make sure you can fit one of these into it?
generallu you cant fit 3.5 hdd inside, only if you buy a 3.5 hdd enclosure and connect with usb
It all depends on how much data you need to store and how often you need to use it.
Mechanical HDD's also benefit from technology progressing. So the gap is still there and I think it will be there for a long time.
I want to build a home NAS and are worried about sound, what would be the least noisy options
Ssd:
having 20 tb at 550€ = 27.5 €/Tb
You can buy a samsung 8 tb ssd qvo for 450€ or a crucial mx 2tb for 115€.
That is ~ 55€/Tb
Both Bigger drives and enterprise drives are noisier, if you have a nas in your room or near your desk the exos and ultrastar are a no no
On this channel there are some noise tests
I have 2 of these (will buy a 3rd in a few months) in a fractal define r5. That case is designed to be stupid silent. I'm happy with it and these drives :)
5400rpm drives like WD reds(non pro version).
Once you start going to 7200rpm and over 12TB capacity it gets noisy especially in in 5 bay and higher.
@@ShaneMcGrath. Not the Reds, those are SMR now. The Red Plus series.
Oh, and the large capacity Red Plus are relatively quiet, but they click each 5 seconds or so due to a feature called Preventive Wear Leveling. My 14TB Red Plus does so, but I also have 4TB ones which are very quiet.
Of course, nothing beats SSDs in terms of mechanical noise ;)
@@alexsarbu3978 Yeah I meant that, Red plus.
Thanks for bringing that up, New people wouldn't know any better.
these are "optimized" for NAS but can i get one of these to use as part of my regular PC storage installed on the motherboard?
Of course. The only thing you might want to consider is that regular consumer drives are usually quieter. These are not horribly loud though, depends on how much that sort of thing bothers you.
I have 4 x 22GB Ironwolf Pros in a NAS in my home office and the noise is not so annoying. And I'm usually sensitive to noise.
Especially since I use an NVMe drive inside the NAS for an everyday share folder and HDDs are there for less frequent large file transfers.
@@lukastemberger thank you for this great information.
Great content, not sure if #5 is a pro, apparently a company out there that makes these hdd’s put a code in their program to give an error message to any hdd’s that’s been plugged in for a certain amount of time. Not sure if it’s this company but it should be easy to find here on RUclips.
in my country, such a disk in dollars is $810
These drives are crazy, they have the same MTBF and warranty as the Exos drives and such while being quieter, plus the data recovery service. Almost certainly the drive I"ll be going with if and when I can afford to get another NAS. Unless they come out with a 22TB that's not stupidly expensive compared to these.
excuse me, but forensic recovery does not make sense for a drive that will be in a raid array. if drive was to fail and it is a part of lets say raid 5, you would replace it with a fresh one and not bother with recovery. It would make sense if whole array would be corrupted, but then you are dealing with raid corruption and that would need different kind of recovery.
Seagate warranty is a pile of SH*T...brand new 20tb Ironwolf pro (I have 30 of them) will not spin up and they want me to send in the motherboard specs to the server and two pc's I hooked it to. They want screenshots of it hooked as a standalone drive and screenshots as as secondary drive. They want a video of the drive hooked to a pc so they can remotely diagnose why it will not spin. Needless to say they did not replace it.
I LOVE Seagulls.
8TB version is a lot quieter
Short form...24mins...only Nascompares can manage that
You need a seagull shirt and hat
20TB drives are pretty useless in a home/small business/nas environment. Rebuild times are ridiculous at these capacity’s. If you run 20 of these sucker ok but wtf are you doing with 20 of these at home?
You can never have too much storage. Especially if you don’t like to delete anything.
or you need storage for Warzone updates 😂
@@VividMac101 Agree, I unfortunately worked that out the hard and expensive way.
Always go for more bays and bigger capacity drives even if you won't need it for 2 years.
@@VividMac101 I remember saying to myself a couple of decades ago, this 520MB drive will last me forever!
@@crosspeen1 Yeah it’s crazy when you look back to whatever you had in the past especially considering the data storage requirements of today. I remember having a 320GB hard drive in my 2007 iMac and thinking I would never run out of space. I also had an Xbox 360 with the 20GB hard drive and was amazed at how much space that was especially for a console.
Friends don't let friends buy Seagate
I'll be straight with you... I don't agree with the statement, BUT I really love the turn of phrase!
@@nascompares you must not have experienced their 1.5 or 3 GB drives. There's a reason why Seagate is offering data recovery services with every purchase.
With 121k subs you would think. You when to the dentist but I guess you dot have one where you live.
Aren't you a lovely chap. I don't know what happened in your life that makes you want to 'go negative', but I'm sorry that it happened to you and that things get better soon man
@@nascompares Just saying. Bad teeth can = to bad health so I hope your doing well. Keep up the good work and videos.
That's not very nice