@Fischmett I'm not sure what Handbrake is. For me, I simply don't have anything that's capable of displaying 4K, so anything over 1080 is wasted, and I don't have a system that's capable of pushing 4K to begin with. If I ever manage to get a new system I'll probably see about converting everything to AV1, but I only just recently got a card capable of transcoding HEVC for my home server. Was all running through my laptop's 3060 mobile before then. :3
@@JaySilva88 HAMR uses heat to fit more data on a CMR array, no performance hit like with SMR, but it uses more power, and we don't know how reliability is affected if at all.
I use a 16tb disk as a 'take away' disk. I sync our artwork files onto this disk and then take it home for a week. Then sync again. It's a 'just in case' sort of off site backup. Big disks are good for this.
on my 10 year old atom NAS it's about 5-6 days for the rebuild and another 4-5 for the expansion (moving to larger drives) That's with it full under a hybrid raid config. I think I might prefer an UNRAID type config with a server this size and up, resilvering is a lot faster.
I've currently got 4 10TB Seagate IronWolf Pros in a DS920+, and I'm approaching maxing out (Plex server), so I'm excited about this. I'll wait a couple of years though for a significant price drop.
I've got 10x 20 TB WD Ultrastar DC HC560 disks in HW RAID 6 and they weren't that expensive t.b.h. Only when you opt for the top tier capacity (currently 24 TB) you'll pay a premium.
im a data hoarder. i spend a lot of time traveling or on remote farms. i save as much media and games as i can so i have it while very remote. as long as its not shingled i will be happy. i have about 6 external 4+ tb drives full.
I bought 6 Seagate Ironwolf 14tb drives and all but 2 were dead upon arrival. Never used them again and have since purchased 6 14tb Toshiba NAS drives and 2 16tb Toshiba Drives and touchwood not a problem yet. 4 x 14tb are in my NAS and the others are used as a backup medium. You can never have enough space
I’ve been unlucky with Seagate HDDs too in the past, but never with Western Digital. That’s one of the reasons I went with 16TB Ultrastars instead of EXOS for my NAS. I have friends that use Seagate because they had problems with WD in the past too, I guess it’s mostly ”luck”.
18 TB drives still the sweet spot on price per TB. One to two times a year here in the States, the WD gold 18tb will go on sale for $299. That's when i grab one or two until next year. Other brands go $250-$270 on 18 TB on sale as well. I hope they keep pumping out larger size drives because that will probably push down the price of the lower capacities. Win for me. Then in 20 years when the drives fail I can start putting 50 TB drives in where the 18 TB drives used to be 😛
Even if the top capacity drives are more expensive per GB, once you include the cost of the drive bay and system supporting the drive bay, it's almost always the best per GB cost to buy the top capacity drives unless you have dozens of drives in a system.
Maybe. However, I use 8TB 12Gbps SAS drives with a very large MTBF in a RAID6 configuration because I need the highest reliability rather than the cheapest mix . This was (2 years ago) the best combination I could find - 10TB and larger were worse despite the fewer number required.
I don't know about the Iron Wolf Pro's but the 24TB Exos drives I do. I have had 8 of these in the DS1821+ in SHR2 for about 3 weeks with no issues and yes I have 135TB of resultant storage and it is well used already with over 50gb on each volume already used.
I'm running mostly 20's now, 22's or 24's is what I want to build my new NAS out with, but I usually go EXOS since they typically it the market at lower prices.
When you’re watching the part where he says you wouldn’t consider putting this drive in a regular PC but you’re actually planning to put this drive is a regular PC 👀
My storage journey has been 4x 2TB essential mybook or whatever they were called, eventually upgraded to a Synology DS1512 with 5x 3TB WD Reds, a few years later upgraded it to 5x 6TB Reds, and eventually sold that NAS and moved fully to the cloud while google had unlimited storage for 10usd/month for Gsuite. Now I'm paying 90usd/month for that 30TB drive storage and seriously considering moving back to a proper NAS. I was thinking maybe the UGREEN 4bay with 3x 24TB drives in RAID5, keep a hot spare, and maybe eventually add it to the array if I run out. Should be enough storage to hold me over for a few years.
Just wondering how long it takes to fill the 4bay NAS fully with 96TB and secondly how long it takes for a rebuild of the raid cluster after a disc exchange...
I put 6 of these in my UGreen DXP6800 Pro and 4 in my UGreen DXP4800+. No problems with compatibility and getting transfer speeds as advertised in a btrf Raid 5 config. Expensive yes, but was worth the peace of mind for future proofing for me.
Yes, I have a problem, my wife would agree. I actually recently down sized because I am using bigger drives now. I am no longer using my 12 bay Synology. I'm kicking less heat into my home office by using a DS1522+ with 22tb drives.
@@MarvellousVisuals I don't have any drives on the compatibility list. There's no extra work involved in using them. You just get a warning when you first set up the array that I just click through and all is good from there.
I've got a DS920+ and 4 of these 24tb's are rocking up today. Why shouldn't I fill the NAS up with these drives? I'm a wedding videographer btw and eventually intend on upgrading to an 8 or 12 bay system.
As it happens my (two) NAS are 24TB each. I have just bought a 24TB Seagate to use as a third backup. I will keep this offsite and bring it in monthly to backup the NAS. I also bought an ABS protective case for it at a total just over £450.
I'm about to rebuild my NAS as I've filled up (well, gotten close to 80%) of ~70tb. If I wasn't such a data hoarder I could probably delete about half the stuff I'm storing but that's no fun. Going to go with 8x18tb and I can't wait for the prices on 30's to start to drop so 20-24's start dropping too. Hopefully in 3 or so years when I do my next rebuild they will cost what 18's are going to cost me now.
I wish you'd test the rebuild time of the pool at these speeds and capacity. And drive speed varies. You seem to only mention the top speed from the inside of the platters. The more the drive is full the slower it is. Have you notice how slow it is at its slowest and how long it takes to fully write it? My guess is 36 hours which would be ridiculous
Yes. Synology ds1821+ Plex Server. It’s time to replace a couple of the smaller drives. BTW, I’d like to see a short on replacing drives in a Synology NAS. Just a little confidence builder. I’ve added drives but never had to replace one.
Just so many tests needed. So you buy your standard Synology DS923+ with 4 TB RAM and decide to expand with the 24 TByte Seagate drives with the 10Ge expansion. RAID 10 is sold as the best of both worlds of RAID 0 and RAID 1. What is the performance in RAID 10? Any significant performance change when you then play it 'Safe' and enable the Synology Antivirus by McAfee package? When reading the DSM 7.2 manual you see that 2x SSD modules enables you to create a Read/Write SSD Cache for improved performance. You read some more of the DSM 7.2 manual then discover you can configure the system to pin all Btrfs metadata to this SSD cache for even higher performance. Now what size M2 SSDs are required in the base of the DS923+ to support your set of four 24 TByte drives in this metadata cache mode? Now if you can't find a calculation by Synology for the size of the required SSDs, what is your best guess and what happens when you try using whatever SSDs you actually have available? What is the change in system performance with a Read/Write SSD cache? Actually I do have one DS923+ with a 10Ge interface that is now populated with 12 TByte Seagate Ironwolf drives in RAID 10. Wasn't what was planned but it is where it has landed.
You mentioned a capacity of 24TB, I'm wondering how many movies you could store on this disc if the movie is 1080p 5.1 audio. And how would it respond when searching for a specific movie from a full disc. Let's see if the integrated memory has enough capacity for the spreadsheet?!
With BTRFS and soon BcacheFS, it just makes sense to always buy the biggest drive available to add to your array or to replace a failing drive. ZFS doesn't have that capability, but that's a huge defect. Say you have 6x8TB drives from 6 years ago. One drive fails. Replace it with a 24 TB drive, and your whole array increase to about where it should be by your normal addition of data.
I just got this Drive what External Cooling Case is compatible with this Drive. Using as a backup for my Synology NAS tks for the great vids you put out...
Can I add a single "Seagate IronWolf Pro 24TB Enterprise NAS Internal HDD Hard Drive - CMR 3.5 Inch" to my HP OMEN 45L Gaming Desktop? I know it is for NAS/RAID but want to use it as a "regular" single HDD, if possible.
What about noise level in this 4 bay NAS drive? Will the noise level be a linear increase from 8tb drives to 24TB drives? ore is the noise level similar between 12-24tb drives?
Heres the thing. At my Canadian Newegg site, Seagate is running 16Tb NAS Pro drives for $429. And this 24Tb part is $654. The math there is not good, that 8Tb is going to cost me $225. I get that its new and drool worthy so they will ask for and get a premium ... but that price is going to come down some.
hello, questions about workload. are these drives get longer lifespan if you use them at say half the workload rating or it doesnt matter. and does it affect the lifespan of it if you have say (4) 24tb into a nas but only have 30-40tb total data. does it prolong their life or not? ps: im a noob at this, cheers!
it's almost scary when I think about it more, what I would really like to know @NASCompares : 1) how long does it take to rebuild the RAID5 or SHR1 pool with one 24TB disk swapped (let's say 80% of 72TB volume filled with data)? 2) what's the likehood of 2 drives failing (second drive during replacement of one drive), in other words would you recommend RAID6 (or SHR2)? 3) why would anyone buy such huge drives, if obviously saturating 10Gbe needs more than 4 drives, yet Synology doesn't allow more than 108TB volume so even something like 8 drives in RAID6/SHR2 could not be fully allocated? 4) what's the technical limitation of such drive not reaching 6Gb SATA throughput (550MB/s read/write) with so many platters? I mean, why would anyone buy 4x 24TB HDDs for RAID5/SHR1 when they could have literally 2x faster 8x 12TB HDDs in RAID6/SHR2?
I have all 18TB and 22TB and after filling about 250TB I realized it was a mistake. It takes too long to recover and failure rates are higher. I will go with the 12-16 TB's that have the lowest failure rates as per the Backblaze data.
i plan on getting a 2422+ nas that has 12 bays and im not decided yet on what capacity drives i should use for my plex library, photos and go pro files. how was it a mistake? i currently have a four bay 918+ with 4x10tb drive and im about 92% full
@@martydee755 First of all, you might want to look at building your own nas at 12 bays. Synology get really expensive for not that much in return, almost no expand ability except adding a shelf(s), and they require you to use all their drives which are crazy expensive for nothing but the Synology stamp on them. I’ve been where you are and didn’t want the hassle to build my own, and it was time consuming, but I spent the same amount and got SO MUCH more. When you have drives that big, disk operations take a very long time, especially if you still need to use it and write to it. Depending on your NAS and/or RAID setup, you might only be able to lose none/1/2 while a drive is being repaired before you face data loss partially or entirely depending on your NAS OS, RAID, Unraid/parity, etc. Better to get more smaller drives for faster operations and better MTBF rate.
Thank you for this video. So you went ahead and put these drives into 923+. The system complaind you went against compatibility list, but the it showed you green healty icon nevertheless. So I’m good to go with these to put them in my 923+??? Any red or orange icons with other Ironwolf oro drives? Thanks in advance.
1. Graphs of price per TB - where's the sweet spot 2. Price against speed 3. History of cost over time. What's the prediction for SSD to overtake mechanical? 4. Mixed set ups SSD + HD 5. Memory again what's the sweet spot for RAM with drives 6. Processors - sweet spot again. What if you encrypt? What if you compress? What if you de-duplicate? What's the requirements
Unless, ya know, you work with expansive matte painting or 3D modelling scenes. Some matte paintings can go up to 25GB per project; four of those are 1TB in total. Doesn't seem to large now, does it?
@@maalikserebryakov Depends on how many layers. 3D objects imported from Maya, 3DS, or Blender in Photoshop, for example, takes up a ton of space in a .psd Folders with ten, twenty layers for just one object or layer are possible, too. Matte paintings are incredibly detailed and incredibly large.
Hello, Thanks for your great effort,good job. would you make a video on the HDD datasheet details in depth,like TB per year work load, what it really means. also MTBF,TLER...etc regards,
I had a video vaguely similar to this, on the subject of "SSD Terminology" a couple of years back, but this sounds like a better idea! Added it to my to do list. Thanks for the suggestion bud
Seeing others said helium is much smaller molecule than steel and gas leakage is a possibility. But the long time usage of these hdd didn't show as a problematic case.
I’ll wait until the price drops before going near my 1821+. With SHR-2 running I’d probably need to replace 4 to 6 of the current 12TB ones before I actually saw any additional available capacity,
10 platters is crazy. I just took apart a 6 year old dead 12TB drive from my nas and it had 8 and that seems super cramped. Also did u miss type helium or is that just a different spelling
Having too much storage is like being too rich or too good looking. It just doesn't happen. You can never have too much storage. I "need" at least 5 of these right now. I am currently using over 40TB and running out of space.
I did say that with slight tongue in cheek, to be fair. But also, (and I did I video with this with Ed a few years back), if development resources and/or time is limited, I would much rather see development double down on performance, endurance and efficiency. Not capacity goals. But again, different strokes etc
@nascompares I'd personally rather capacity, all I need is for it to be fast enough to download to reasonably quickly and read fast enough to feed a half dozen plex reads at once. And hold my 20ish terabytes of media. Hopefully as reliably as possible. If I need performance there's SSDs.
So eventhough it does not show in the Synology Compatibility list it still works, are there any long term consequences of installing a non compatible HDD like this one? Imean data corruption, etc
Hey will this work in older series Synology NAS? Like a js series or their other ARM based consumer units? I have two older js units I use them for my HTPC as backup and media long term online storage. I would use them as 1 big single 48TB dive as I already have 12TB of files. I think buying two of these drives now and using them then later upgrading the NAS will be more managable for me. Thanks for all your hard work.
Well, I've got 5x 16TB in my DS1522+ and I'd like more -- but that's just wanting, not needing. Currently filled about 10TB of it all. But steadily working on increasing storage use. :+
Are these Seagate Ironwolf Pro’s? I’ve bought a new DS1522+ and can’t install DSM, for some formatting issue. Synology support say these are not on the compatibility list so not supported.
Without increasing performance the same way these amounts of storage capacity are hard to handle! Woukld make sense with NVMe. Maybe 3..5 years and we are there.
so why can't you put 2x24tb to inside your gaming pc i have a Seagate 10tb and 6tb and also a 2tb in my gaming pc + 2tb mvme for c/drive and a 4tb mvme for Imediat stuff
Yes density and less drives less power is king, but the resync time must be very long that i stick with 12TB drives. Refill one 24 drive with at best 260 MB/s don't want to imagine that.
With all the 4k films and TV series I have on my 2 bay NAS, realistically in my case I think 16TB (8x2) would be sufficient. This may change later but I have been using a NAS for about 6 years now
Actually I a have a big truenas scale server with 5 20 TB hdds. Configured in raid5. So i have 80tb of storage. It is for my plex server. Some movies in 4k hdr are 20gbs of more. So yes i need it.
To be fair. My plex system is sitting at 8,206 movies, 783 TV shows, 228 music artists, 80 Anime TV shows. So I can always use more space. But, and I have yet to watch more then 30 seconds in, the size is an issue. I want an array that is wide, not deep. 16-18TB is the max I will go before I just get more drives. The rebuild time is a serious issue even with a fast system. Even if I'm doing RAID Z3 when we are talking north of 72 hours for a rebuild, that is an issue. We are increasing storage density but not increasing read / write speeds on spinning rust. That is the crux of the issue. The write number sound fine when you are talking writing to an array....until you factor in we are seeing a size increase year on year where writes aren't getting any bigger for individual drives. Mostly because they have maxed out the SATA interface speed. Now SAS can do 12 Gbps with higher IOPS so that really should be where Seagate is focusing but, that isn't where NAS manufacturers are....and would up the cost of the hardware. I suspect the market for that is limited just as 24TB drives are as well.
Considering I, for one, am running my NAS from a 17 year old Q6600 PC I had laying around with only SATA 2, and not enough PCIe for a SAS controller I'm happy they're rolling capacity. Go SSDs for performance, do a hybrid system that caches stuff or something, hard drives are for sheer size.
actually i have 8 of those. and 6x 16tb ones. Once you start madness you can not stop. I loved the start of the video. When he sayed "You have got a problem". I just thought do I?. Nah I am good.
"That's too much space" said no Plex user ever.
I'm sitting at about 20 terabytes in my library right now. None of it 4K. :3
@@kendrakirai thats why you're ok....I was fine with liek 24tb until I started into 4k, now I'm at 92TB, and full
@@kendrakirai thats why i run all my rips through handbrake, to get as much usable storage space as possible
@Fischmett I'm not sure what Handbrake is. For me, I simply don't have anything that's capable of displaying 4K, so anything over 1080 is wasted, and I don't have a system that's capable of pushing 4K to begin with. If I ever manage to get a new system I'll probably see about converting everything to AV1, but I only just recently got a card capable of transcoding HEVC for my home server. Was all running through my laptop's 3060 mobile before then. :3
More like “that’s not enough space”
It's never enough! MOAR storage please! I'm addicted to storage!
You'll get yours next week @asustor!
I just put 4x 20TB EXOS drives into a AS5404T yesterday on Unraid 😅
Yeh never enough. Here, 6 x 18tb and 1x22tb for backups and recovery testing. 84tb NAND in my workstation
So I've got about 200tb storage in my home office. I wonder when it will be 1pb😅
More cores. More computers. More memory. Faster storage. Faster internet. Faster networking. It's all needed.
4x 24TB storage? That's ideal for my cat picture collection.😮
LMATO T=TOTALLY! 🤡
As a self certified data hoarder I AM going to get this hard drive into my NAS, great video as always!
I think the problem is when you need to rebuild an array (one out of 4 disk dies) it will take days with a 24TB drive
@@dustojnikhummer lol that’s when you pray the other doesn’t go bad while rebuilding lol
@@dustojnikhummer thats what the secondary back up for xp
Im a datahoarder and I NEED it! Looking forward to their 32 TB HAMR drives. Another fantastic video!
What is a HAMR drive and when would it arrive to consumers?
Do they have same issues as smr
@@Story_Teller_Everyone CMR/SMR does not refer to the same thing as HAMR, I think.
@@JaySilva88 HAMR uses heat to fit more data on a CMR array, no performance hit like with SMR, but it uses more power, and we don't know how reliability is affected if at all.
I'm guessing this uses HAMR as well since all >18 TB drives use it?
I use a 16tb disk as a 'take away' disk. I sync our artwork files onto this disk and then take it home for a week. Then sync again. It's a 'just in case' sort of off site backup. Big disks are good for this.
I remember some early hard drives with a storage capacity only a few megabytes these are just mind-blowing
I'd like to see the raid rebuild times on a 96TB array 😅
I suspect you might want to just mirror them, unless you have a week to wait for a rebuild 🙂
on my 10 year old atom NAS it's about 5-6 days for the rebuild and another 4-5 for the expansion (moving to larger drives) That's with it full under a hybrid raid config. I think I might prefer an UNRAID type config with a server this size and up, resilvering is a lot faster.
Over a gigabit connection it’ll take 8.8 days you’ll be waiting a hot minute
Some of us have LARGE Blu Ray and UHD collections of FILMS ;) ... lol
Why do I feel like your use of the word *films* is telling half the story!
@@nascompares
Ok ...
There might be some Gentleman's Photography in there ! lol
a 20 minute clip in 4k uncompressed takes up like 20-30 gigabytes.
Thanks for the review mate!✌
I've currently got 4 10TB Seagate IronWolf Pros in a DS920+, and I'm approaching maxing out (Plex server), so I'm excited about this. I'll wait a couple of years though for a significant price drop.
I just got a 16tb exos x16 for 130 bucks
@@MisterPikol 130 a pop, where?
Same here but 6 hdd seagate and it's nearly full just music and video. The storage soon or later will run out.
Where do you get the vids?
I've got 10x 20 TB WD Ultrastar DC HC560 disks in HW RAID 6 and they weren't that expensive t.b.h. Only when you opt for the top tier capacity (currently 24 TB) you'll pay a premium.
im a data hoarder. i spend a lot of time traveling or on remote farms. i save as much media and games as i can so i have it while very remote. as long as its not shingled i will be happy. i have about 6 external 4+ tb drives full.
I bought 6 Seagate Ironwolf 14tb drives and all but 2 were dead upon arrival. Never used them again and have since purchased 6 14tb Toshiba NAS drives and 2 16tb Toshiba Drives and touchwood not a problem yet. 4 x 14tb are in my NAS and the others are used as a backup medium. You can never have enough space
I’ve been unlucky with Seagate HDDs too in the past, but never with Western Digital.
That’s one of the reasons I went with 16TB Ultrastars instead of EXOS for my NAS.
I have friends that use Seagate because they had problems with WD in the past too, I guess it’s mostly ”luck”.
I'm wondering, why the Toshiba MG10 gets overlooked so ofthen when it comes to price/capacity/performance ?
18 TB drives still the sweet spot on price per TB. One to two times a year here in the States, the WD gold 18tb will go on sale for $299. That's when i grab one or two until next year. Other brands go $250-$270 on 18 TB on sale as well. I hope they keep pumping out larger size drives because that will probably push down the price of the lower capacities. Win for me. Then in 20 years when the drives fail I can start putting 50 TB drives in where the 18 TB drives used to be 😛
Even if the top capacity drives are more expensive per GB, once you include the cost of the drive bay and system supporting the drive bay, it's almost always the best per GB cost to buy the top capacity drives unless you have dozens of drives in a system.
Maybe. However, I use 8TB 12Gbps SAS drives with a very large MTBF in a RAID6 configuration because I need the highest reliability rather than the cheapest mix . This was (2 years ago) the best combination I could find - 10TB and larger were worse despite the fewer number required.
I don't know about the Iron Wolf Pro's but the 24TB Exos drives I do. I have had 8 of these in the DS1821+ in SHR2 for about 3 weeks with no issues and yes I have 135TB of resultant storage and it is well used already with over 50gb on each volume already used.
*tb?
I'm planning to cancel the Ugreen and build an 8 bay DIY as I want ECC. I'm also planning to use 8 of this drive in ZFS 😈
Benefit of diy is you can choose your own cpu and swap out the CPU if you ever decide to upgrade.
I'm running mostly 20's now, 22's or 24's is what I want to build my new NAS out with, but I usually go EXOS since they typically it the market at lower prices.
When you’re watching the part where he says you wouldn’t consider putting this drive in a regular PC but you’re actually planning to put this drive is a regular PC 👀
Because he's nuts.
My storage journey has been 4x 2TB essential mybook or whatever they were called, eventually upgraded to a Synology DS1512 with 5x 3TB WD Reds, a few years later upgraded it to 5x 6TB Reds, and eventually sold that NAS and moved fully to the cloud while google had unlimited storage for 10usd/month for Gsuite. Now I'm paying 90usd/month for that 30TB drive storage and seriously considering moving back to a proper NAS. I was thinking maybe the UGREEN 4bay with 3x 24TB drives in RAID5, keep a hot spare, and maybe eventually add it to the array if I run out. Should be enough storage to hold me over for a few years.
Ive got the 16 tb version of those and would love to know how noisy the 24tb version is
Just wondering how long it takes to fill the 4bay NAS fully with 96TB and secondly how long it takes for a rebuild of the raid cluster after a disc exchange...
You will have to replace other drives due to their age before you rebuild that.
I put 6 of these in my UGreen DXP6800 Pro and 4 in my UGreen DXP4800+. No problems with compatibility and getting transfer speeds as advertised in a btrf Raid 5 config. Expensive yes, but was worth the peace of mind for future proofing for me.
0:14. no, its never enough. 92tb here, have only 900gb left with like 4tb of unsorted stuff.
0:15 what if I have a Plex system with a lot of 1080p series and movies ? We do need for some cases big nas hard drive…
Yes, I have a problem, my wife would agree. I actually recently down sized because I am using bigger drives now. I am no longer using my 12 bay Synology. I'm kicking less heat into my home office by using a DS1522+ with 22tb drives.
Question bro, I'm looking to get the DS1522+ too... would you say it's easy enough to set up as I saw it wasn't on the compatibility list
@@MarvellousVisuals I don't have any drives on the compatibility list. There's no extra work involved in using them. You just get a warning when you first set up the array that I just click through and all is good from there.
@@smstnitc Perfect, I appreciate the insight. Thanks man, I'll proceed to order then 👌🏾
I've got a DS920+ and 4 of these 24tb's are rocking up today. Why shouldn't I fill the NAS up with these drives? I'm a wedding videographer btw and eventually intend on upgrading to an 8 or 12 bay system.
Looking good man, keep up the good job
As it happens my (two) NAS are 24TB each. I have just bought a 24TB Seagate to use as a third backup. I will keep this offsite and bring it in monthly to backup the NAS. I also bought an ABS protective case for it at a total just over £450.
I'm about to rebuild my NAS as I've filled up (well, gotten close to 80%) of ~70tb. If I wasn't such a data hoarder I could probably delete about half the stuff I'm storing but that's no fun. Going to go with 8x18tb and I can't wait for the prices on 30's to start to drop so 20-24's start dropping too. Hopefully in 3 or so years when I do my next rebuild they will cost what 18's are going to cost me now.
I have 3 x Dell MD3460s, each with 60 x Seagate exos 8tb sas drives. I.e 180 x 8tb hdds or 1.44 petabytes
I wish you'd test the rebuild time of the pool at these speeds and capacity. And drive speed varies. You seem to only mention the top speed from the inside of the platters. The more the drive is full the slower it is. Have you notice how slow it is at its slowest and how long it takes to fully write it? My guess is 36 hours which would be ridiculous
Yes. Synology ds1821+ Plex Server. It’s time to replace a couple of the smaller drives.
BTW, I’d like to see a short on replacing drives in a Synology NAS. Just a little confidence builder. I’ve added drives but never had to replace one.
Just so many tests needed. So you buy your standard Synology DS923+ with 4 TB RAM and decide to expand with the 24 TByte Seagate drives with the 10Ge expansion. RAID 10 is sold as the best of both worlds of RAID 0 and RAID 1. What is the performance in RAID 10?
Any significant performance change when you then play it 'Safe' and enable the Synology Antivirus by McAfee package?
When reading the DSM 7.2 manual you see that 2x SSD modules enables you to create a Read/Write SSD Cache for improved performance. You read some more of the DSM 7.2 manual then discover you can configure the system to pin all Btrfs metadata to this SSD cache for even higher performance. Now what size M2 SSDs are required in the base of the DS923+ to support your set of four 24 TByte drives in this metadata cache mode?
Now if you can't find a calculation by Synology for the size of the required SSDs, what is your best guess and what happens when you try using whatever SSDs you actually have available? What is the change in system performance with a Read/Write SSD cache?
Actually I do have one DS923+ with a 10Ge interface that is now populated with 12 TByte Seagate Ironwolf drives in RAID 10. Wasn't what was planned but it is where it has landed.
4TB Ram? that's a LOT in a NAS....
You mentioned a capacity of 24TB, I'm wondering how many movies you could store on this disc if the movie is 1080p 5.1 audio. And how would it respond when searching for a specific movie from a full disc. Let's see if the integrated memory has enough capacity for the spreadsheet?!
full or not doesn't change the searching for a specific movie...
I can always use more storage capacity :)
With BTRFS and soon BcacheFS, it just makes sense to always buy the biggest drive available to add to your array or to replace a failing drive. ZFS doesn't have that capability, but that's a huge defect. Say you have 6x8TB drives from 6 years ago. One drive fails. Replace it with a 24 TB drive, and your whole array increase to about where it should be by your normal addition of data.
I could see myself running them as raid 6 in a 5bay synology.
It would be interesting to see the rebuild time for that array. I'd like to know the time needed if it is left alone and at medium and heavy access.
I'm about to buy the Synology 923+. Do you think two 22TB Toshiba MG HDs will be fine?
I just got this Drive what External Cooling Case is compatible with this Drive. Using as a backup for my Synology NAS tks for the great vids you put out...
Can I add a single "Seagate IronWolf Pro 24TB Enterprise NAS Internal HDD Hard Drive - CMR 3.5 Inch" to my HP OMEN 45L Gaming Desktop?
I know it is for NAS/RAID but want to use it as a "regular" single HDD, if possible.
What about noise level in this 4 bay NAS drive? Will the noise level be a linear increase from 8tb drives to 24TB drives? ore is the noise level similar between 12-24tb drives?
It sounds pretty much identical to the sound in my 20TB testing. I go into more detail next week in a follow up vid on this
Helium are much noisier than air filled so depends what’s in your 8tb
Heres the thing. At my Canadian Newegg site, Seagate is running 16Tb NAS Pro drives for $429.
And this 24Tb part is $654. The math there is not good, that 8Tb is going to cost me $225.
I get that its new and drool worthy so they will ask for and get a premium ... but that price is going to come down some.
Would like to know what the spin up time on the big 10 platter drives are as well as noise levels.
This should be covered in Next week's vid. Cheers for watching man
Serious Question: Can I have a RAID 5 with 3 x 4TB drives + 1 x 8TB drive in a backup role? And if so, in a DIY or latch NAS?
yes you can raid 3 drives in raid5.... yes you can run a standalone disc for backups
hello, questions about workload. are these drives get longer lifespan if you use them at say half the workload rating or it doesnt matter. and does it affect the lifespan of it if you have say (4) 24tb into a nas but only have 30-40tb total data. does it prolong their life or not? ps: im a noob at this, cheers!
How would you rate the noise level?
My various hdds of linix isos are over 24 tb. so ya it be nice to have that drive to condense everything
Video can easily chew that space up if your into production
it's almost scary when I think about it more,
what I would really like to know @NASCompares :
1) how long does it take to rebuild the RAID5 or SHR1 pool with one 24TB disk swapped (let's say 80% of 72TB volume filled with data)?
2) what's the likehood of 2 drives failing (second drive during replacement of one drive), in other words would you recommend RAID6 (or SHR2)?
3) why would anyone buy such huge drives, if obviously saturating 10Gbe needs more than 4 drives, yet Synology doesn't allow more than 108TB volume so even something like 8 drives in RAID6/SHR2 could not be fully allocated?
4) what's the technical limitation of such drive not reaching 6Gb SATA throughput (550MB/s read/write) with so many platters? I mean, why would anyone buy 4x 24TB HDDs for RAID5/SHR1 when they could have literally 2x faster 8x 12TB HDDs in RAID6/SHR2?
yeah I have a problem all right I Have 160TB usable space on my nas with the ability to add 32 of these if needed down the road
I have all 18TB and 22TB and after filling about 250TB I realized it was a mistake. It takes too long to recover and failure rates are higher. I will go with the 12-16 TB's that have the lowest failure rates as per the Backblaze data.
i plan on getting a 2422+ nas that has 12 bays and im not decided yet on what capacity drives i should use for my plex library, photos and go pro files. how was it a mistake? i currently have a four bay 918+ with 4x10tb drive and im about 92% full
@@martydee755 First of all, you might want to look at building your own nas at 12 bays. Synology get really expensive for not that much in return, almost no expand ability except adding a shelf(s), and they require you to use all their drives which are crazy expensive for nothing but the Synology stamp on them. I’ve been where you are and didn’t want the hassle to build my own, and it was time consuming, but I spent the same amount and got SO MUCH more.
When you have drives that big, disk operations take a very long time, especially if you still need to use it and write to it. Depending on your NAS and/or RAID setup, you might only be able to lose none/1/2 while a drive is being repaired before you face data loss partially or entirely depending on your NAS OS, RAID, Unraid/parity, etc. Better to get more smaller drives for faster operations and better MTBF rate.
96 TB? In a nas would you even be able to write to all those bytes before the EOL of the drives?
Thank you for this video. So you went ahead and put these drives into 923+. The system complaind you went against compatibility list, but the it showed you green healty icon nevertheless. So I’m good to go with these to put them in my 923+???
Any red or orange icons with other Ironwolf oro drives?
Thanks in advance.
1. Graphs of price per TB - where's the sweet spot
2. Price against speed
3. History of cost over time. What's the prediction for SSD to overtake mechanical?
4. Mixed set ups SSD + HD
5. Memory again what's the sweet spot for RAM with drives
6. Processors - sweet spot again. What if you encrypt? What if you compress? What if you de-duplicate? What's the requirements
Did Synology have an issue with Seagate drives in general or is that fixed now?
Not an issue as such, just not adding them on their compatibility lists above 16-18TB
What about my Swann security box.
Unless, ya know, you work with expansive matte painting or 3D modelling scenes.
Some matte paintings can go up to 25GB per project; four of those are 1TB in total.
Doesn't seem to large now, does it?
Bloat.
@@maalikserebryakov Depends on how many layers.
3D objects imported from Maya, 3DS, or Blender in Photoshop, for example, takes up a ton of space in a .psd
Folders with ten, twenty layers for just one object or layer are possible, too.
Matte paintings are incredibly detailed and incredibly large.
25GB... Times 4... is 1000GB?
25 x 4 = 1000?
Twenty five four times is one thousand?
Hello,
Thanks for your great effort,good job.
would you make a video on the HDD datasheet details in depth,like TB per year work load, what it really means.
also MTBF,TLER...etc
regards,
I had a video vaguely similar to this, on the subject of "SSD Terminology" a couple of years back, but this sounds like a better idea! Added it to my to do list. Thanks for the suggestion bud
The concept of having too many eggs in one basket comes to mind.
That's what RAID and proper backups are for.
Seeing others said helium is much smaller molecule than steel and gas leakage is a possibility. But the long time usage of these hdd didn't show as a problematic case.
i'm exicted to have one, when i hold 12tb wd red plus for first time i'm really shock the weight compare to 1tb/2tb 3.5" drive
My concern would be if one of the drives were to go bad, would you have enough time to rebuild the RAID before a second drive goes bad.
If only backups existed...
I’ll wait until the price drops before going near my 1821+. With SHR-2 running I’d probably need to replace 4 to 6 of the current 12TB ones before I actually saw any additional available capacity,
Makes 2-bays more sensible at least :D, I use a single large drive for back-up of my 4-bay NAS so knowing I can go up to a 24GB RAID, all is good!
Have a DS224+ with two 12TB Ironwolfs and this was my first thought also. I could double my capacity if i could get it to work.
Wonder what rebuild time on this thing will be
10 platters is crazy. I just took apart a 6 year old dead 12TB drive from my nas and it had 8 and that seems super cramped. Also did u miss type helium or is that just a different spelling
Having too much storage is like being too rich or too good looking. It just doesn't happen. You can never have too much storage. I "need" at least 5 of these right now. I am currently using over 40TB and running out of space.
It is the storage/speed ratio that makes such big drives hard to handle in case of failure and reconstruction.
@@C4H6As Yep. Pros and cons
I am getting into 8k video editing and have used 4 Tb already in a couple months
What do you mean "Who needs this?"?
That's the equivalent to Bill Gate's quote of "640K of memory is all that anybody will need in a computer".
I did say that with slight tongue in cheek, to be fair. But also, (and I did I video with this with Ed a few years back), if development resources and/or time is limited, I would much rather see development double down on performance, endurance and efficiency. Not capacity goals. But again, different strokes etc
Is it possible to boot into a sas drive thats attached to a sas card on a consumer mobo? My mobo doesnt have a sas controler@@nascompares
Once upon a time I was amazed by 1tb drives. Now I can't wait for 40tb
@nascompares I'd personally rather capacity, all I need is for it to be fast enough to download to reasonably quickly and read fast enough to feed a half dozen plex reads at once. And hold my 20ish terabytes of media. Hopefully as reliably as possible. If I need performance there's SSDs.
@@nascompares Oh, sorry I didn't catch the playfulness. Btw I love your videos. Thanks for the content!
So, if it is not compatible with synology, how did you get it to work? Can I get this for my synology nas?
I wish i had one just for a backup drive to back up my nas so I could reload it
So eventhough it does not show in the Synology Compatibility list it still works, are there any long term consequences of installing a non compatible HDD like this one? Imean data corruption, etc
Looking forward to the Axos x2 drives with dual actuators.
Hey will this work in older series Synology NAS? Like a js series or their other ARM based consumer units? I have two older js units I use them for my HTPC as backup and media long term online storage. I would use them as 1 big single 48TB dive as I already have 12TB of files. I think buying two of these drives now and using them then later upgrading the NAS will be more managable for me. Thanks for all your hard work.
I have an unriad system with 15 bays. I am going to start upgrading all my drives to 24 Tb
Could you make a video about MEMS technology? It's the biggest development in sound reproduction in a century.
Hello, can this be used as a simple external HDD, for storage? And why some websites states 256MB cache and other 512MB cache? Thanks
Never too much! Using these drives with QNAP's 24 bay NAS & Expansion you can have 1 Petabyte of storage EASILY!
Well, I've got 5x 16TB in my DS1522+ and I'd like more -- but that's just wanting, not needing. Currently filled about 10TB of it all. But steadily working on increasing storage use. :+
Are these Seagate Ironwolf Pro’s? I’ve bought a new DS1522+ and can’t install DSM, for some formatting issue. Synology support say these are not on the compatibility list so not supported.
Is this Hard Drive good for a DAS?
4 x 18tb in a ds420+ here. Never enough space!
Without increasing performance the same way these amounts of storage capacity are hard to handle! Woukld make sense with NVMe. Maybe 3..5 years and we are there.
so why can't you put 2x24tb to inside your gaming pc i have a Seagate 10tb and 6tb and also a 2tb in my gaming pc + 2tb mvme for c/drive and a 4tb mvme for Imediat stuff
Yes density and less drives less power is king, but the resync time must be very long that i stick with 12TB drives. Refill one 24 drive with at best 260 MB/s don't want to imagine that.
With all the 4k films and TV series I have on my 2 bay NAS, realistically in my case I think 16TB (8x2) would be sufficient. This may change later but I have been using a NAS for about 6 years now
When I ran a Commodore 64 BBS, I spent all summer saving up to buy a Lt. Kernal 10MB hard drive for my download section. I was a god.
Now i have almost all software for the C64? It would fit on a 64GB micro-SD.
Hmm. Tvs-874 with 8 of these drives.... It would be a little while before I would fill them.
Actually I a have a big truenas scale server with 5 20 TB hdds. Configured in raid5. So i have 80tb of storage. It is for my plex server. Some movies in 4k hdr are 20gbs of more. So yes i need it.
Did you used to be a second hand car dealer on Tottenham Court Road?
how long does it take to rebuild 24tb
Is it better to avoid TLER drives in a synology? Maybe their behaviour isn’t suitable for a software raid,
UHD blu-ray collection can eat that up like it ain't nothin'.
To be fair. My plex system is sitting at 8,206 movies, 783 TV shows, 228 music artists, 80 Anime TV shows. So I can always use more space. But, and I have yet to watch more then 30 seconds in, the size is an issue. I want an array that is wide, not deep. 16-18TB is the max I will go before I just get more drives. The rebuild time is a serious issue even with a fast system. Even if I'm doing RAID Z3 when we are talking north of 72 hours for a rebuild, that is an issue. We are increasing storage density but not increasing read / write speeds on spinning rust. That is the crux of the issue. The write number sound fine when you are talking writing to an array....until you factor in we are seeing a size increase year on year where writes aren't getting any bigger for individual drives. Mostly because they have maxed out the SATA interface speed. Now SAS can do 12 Gbps with higher IOPS so that really should be where Seagate is focusing but, that isn't where NAS manufacturers are....and would up the cost of the hardware. I suspect the market for that is limited just as 24TB drives are as well.
Considering I, for one, am running my NAS from a 17 year old Q6600 PC I had laying around with only SATA 2, and not enough PCIe for a SAS controller I'm happy they're rolling capacity. Go SSDs for performance, do a hybrid system that caches stuff or something, hard drives are for sheer size.
actually i have 8 of those. and 6x 16tb ones. Once you start madness you can not stop. I loved the start of the video. When he sayed "You have got a problem". I just thought do I?. Nah I am good.
man the price of those is nuts compared to the models 1-2 notches down the TB ladder...
As someone with over 120TB of data I will love when these hit the used or refurbished market
5 years, baby!
@@nascompares Nobody wants a 5year old used drive for serious storage...
If my NAS is turned on once a month for 2-3hrs. Will it last me 100 years?
If ur running ds418 play then u do need it. Mkv files are large
Lol. I am an on set data manager. I can fill one of those hard drives in a few days. The speed sounds good.