Frame Rate: The Last Jedi
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Abe Epperson and Michael Swaim spoil Star Wars: The Last Jedi, in every possible sense of the word.
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Purple haired admiral: Admiral Holdo. Her main job in the story: Hold off the First Order while the others escape. Hold them off. Hold off. Holdoff. Holdo.
Hold The Door, Hold Door, Hodor!
Yeah, that's the reference...
Trafalgar Law lol this is Bran's fault.
Confirmed. GoT and SW are the same universe. #cannon
I'm deeply upset that this is true.
The Luke-warm joke landed here and was appreciated. Also summed up my feelings pretty accurately.
The "I'll hold" joke was bad but Poe also got stuck with the "Do I talk first?" joke in TFA. So they're being consistent with his character. Did anyone get the feeling they could do a time jump between movies. Maybe about 10 years to give time to rebuild the Rebellion and have Leia die off screen.
i think at least a 5 year time skip would be a good idea, have both the new republic/resistance and the first order rebuild and basically be in a cold war, with each side just waiting for the other to attack, meanwhile rey is training new jedi in secret and the last battle of the film is an all out war with poe leading the giant space battle from the flagship (now the leader after leia died off screen, maybe have to deal with a character similar to how he was in the previous two films) and kylo fights on the ground with the knights of ren against rey and the new jedi order. if they really wanted to they could also use the time skip to have a baby skywalker or something (maybe an illigitamate child that the mother tries to smuggle away from the new order, maybe that could be finn's storyline).
S.W.A.I.M. Serious Witty Analysis of Iconic Movies
Can't believe I STILL haven't seen this...
Pretty much why The Expanse is so enticing.
A lot of TFA made me happy. Some of it made me angry. Specifically the parts that were, like, elbowing you in the side saying "HEY, HEY, REMEMBER THIS THING? OH BOY, WE'RE NOT THE PREQUELS, WHICH MAKES US AMAZING! RIGHT? HAHA! YOU GET IT BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN STAR WARS!" Fuck that shit.That actively hurt my opinion of TFA.
TLJ was more "Hmm. Well that didn't really work for me." None of the weird or awkward moments made me angry or jaded. They just kinda ... slid by. And I felt them not working. But thank God their goal wasn't to circlejerk the Orig Trig. That's so much lazier than the odd, confusing, interesting, and sometimes amazing stuff that came out of TLJ.
Overall, IMO, both TFA and TLJ are equally flawed but in extremely different ways. TLJ had moments that were truly amazing and I never felt pandered to. While I think TFA was a much more structurally sound film, TLJ wins out in my mind. Not by much.
I don't agree that Rian Johnson was doing things for the sake of reversing expectations. I think it was direct commentary.
No intention of watching the movie any time soon, just here for the beans!
I liked the homage to the dolly push shot in Wings (1927) at the casino on Canto Bight
This is really dope analysis, guys. Great work.
At 10:40 Mike says that people 18+ can see what will happen next, but I'm not even close to 18. I was only nervous or confused for a few seconds, then I realized that it was a goddamn movie.
"I'm a misanthrope man" -Swaim LMFAO!
Good thing I just found your channel because of a reddit thread. Loved the podcast, agree with everything here.
Luckily for me I had no idea who the f*** Adam Driver was when he removed his helmet in the Force Awakens and shared none of your initial disappointment. I loved that I had no other context for him and fully embraced him as a character. Enjoyable podcast, folks. Thanks.
Only about half through; but while it's touched on, I don't think they *really* took into account *how much* control Disney likely had over the writing. I think RJ tried to mess with the formula and derail things a little, but Disney likely put a ton of guard rails and additional track to keep it on the course they wanted. And since it's Disney and they wanted it to hit certain beats and whatnot, a lot of the "lowest common denominator" tropes and plot points were *probably* them. -- although, who knows if RJ also threw in some hokey bullshit too. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit.
Though I know they won't ever, I do wish they'd discuss RoS, because I want to know if they had a similar opinion to mine: Disney got so freaked out by what RJ did that they went back to a "safe," formulaic, fan-service director to "clean up."
I think Disney has learned from Marvel that conflict equals sales.
Oh no we're almost out of space gas I thought that was funny when they ran out of space gas.
I’m glad someone else saw the same movie I did. It seems like a lot of people saw something else.
To me, the Rose/Fin scenes feel like they were slapped together at the last minute just to make sure that Rey dates someone with a more similar "tone."
Terminimal I'm not saying mainstream Hollywood is strictly against multiracial ships, but it def shies away from some combinations like white girl/black guy, unless the fact that they are together is a key plot element. Even if it is not that, it doesn't add anything, ignores established character development, and just clutters everything up, I don't see any good narrative reason to put this in.
I got that feeling as well.
Will u do Ready Player One?
Ah finally the definitive review that 100% agrees with me. Thanks!
Somehow understanding the futility of writing a long comment on RUclips was not enough to stop me from doing it.
I don't think the infusion of humor is a result of Disney's influence so much as it is a result of younger voices participating in a story they loved while focusing on the quirkier parts they related to - it's not crazy to me that the guy who made The Brothers Bloom opened with an outer space scifi crank call. Their interactions with the antagonists feel more realistic, to be honest, and reflective of how society's perception of so-called heroes and villains have changed - Kylo Ren and Hux don't command respect and fear from everybody like Vader and Palpatine do because Saddam Hussein and Kim Jong-Il weren't as scary as Hitler and Mussolini, even though they totally, 100% should be.
The overall message I got from The Last Jedi was one vastly different from the basic Star Wars hero's journey - it's not about special dudes doing special things that no one else can do because magic, it's about regular people making hard choices that facilitate the big, bold moves, and how the toxicity of hero worship makes everyone worse.
Luke isn't the perfect zen master everyone (including Luke/Hamill himself) wanted or expected him to be, Poe isn't the super-cool, always-right stunt pilot dude that never fails, etc. The only guy that doesn't realize hero worship and idealization of historical figures is dangerous is the bad guy that makes his entire thing about copying Darth Vader. He's not just super arrogant, he's super entitled and touts his special bloodline and everything - he's like a space alt-righter or something.
The hero worship thing is huge, and it seems weird to me to not acknowledge the commentary that makes on the franchise as a whole - Luke was A New Hope, and that was great because it inspired everyone, but also it led to a disorganized rebellion seemingly fighting a 100% improvised war that relies entirely on crazy reckless ace pilots doing stupid stuff and getting lucky because "lol it worked for Luke". Once he realizes this stuff, he plays on Kylo's fascination with heroic symbolism to basically stall the entire First Order's military with an after school playground fight.
Also weird to me is the suggestion that this version of a Star Wars movie is somehow the safest thing they could have done, considering they are literally making spin-off movies about how Han Solo beat Lando in a card game or whatever.
So, you know, I disagree, but cool episode anyway. Maybe this will merit a revisiting somewhere down the line.
i read almost none of what you wrote. But thats ok. Keep sharing. Its nice to see people putting forth effort toward something that matters to them. Expressing something you have the urge express is its own reward. Thats all that matters friend.
I agree there were a lot of smart ideas the stuff they put around it just sucked. To keep it short (something which after reviewing this comment I realize I have failed to do) the reason why I think TFA kind of worked, very kind of, is because you like characters at the end of the movie. In contrast I at least hate everyone after TLJ Rose and Finn just seem horribly naive and Rose is just terribly underdeveloped, Ray seems self-centered, Poe is a callous sociopath who is not impacted by the death of his comrades in anything but a tactical sense, the whole all my friends are dead but fuck that my droid is here.
Again there are a lot of really great ideas at the core of the movie and I feel like if Disney had not needed the movie to come out when it did and had given Rian Johnson time to go through a few more drafts in which he figured out what worked and what did not it could have been a masterpiece. However, it felt like a first draft where everything that needed to be said was done so in the most obvious way and the necessary events didn't take into consideration the core of what we know and like about the characters.
the first example of this disconnect that jumps to mind is Rose having to explain to Finn, the child soldier, that this whole first order aggression thing is hard on kids. in fact, Finn's whole arch does not work for me because I do not see what reason he has to fight against the first order that he did not have at the end of the first movie. if anything his whole interaction with Benicio Del Toro should undercut that certainty as the thing which was driving him before (the enslavement of the children) is shown to be the fault of the resistance as well as the first order.
That whole interaction seems to be thematically important, again it goes to the underlying theme of our heroes not being all that. The idea that we should not put anyone on a pedestal, it is a good idea, but it is totally opposed to the arc which Finn goes through. Indeed it is opposed to the conclusion of the movie in which once again we are putting people up pedestals, as we are not supposed to question the heroic nature of our resistance heroes being saved, indeed the rock lifting scene clearly frames Ray as an archetypal savior someone to be idolized.
I could go on put lets end it there.
I agree with everything you said on this one Chuck.
I can't believe you think Snoke's bathrobe was a good design
Alita was an anime
Or more specifically a manga.
A whole bunch of mangas. Really good in my opinion.
I haven't seen this yet but I feel obligated to comment just to say that I love you guys.
I would love to see them talk about Rise of Skywalker. As bad as this was and the previous movie ROS combined all of the worst aspects of the previous two and undid the ending of the original trilogy as well. ROS was the movie that made me decide to never watch another Star Wars, Marvel, or DC movie or series ever.
I know you guys probably read this a lot but you were among my favorite creators at Cracked. Consider me subscribed.
I really don't understand who/why they went for a copy paste copy of the orig.trig....
What is the point of that? Like... srsly..?
The Swaim Train! Liked and subscribed!
Great discussion. The one scene I loathed was when Finn was about to sacrifice himself to save others and Rose crashes into him. The logical result of that would have been they were both killed anyway by the huge first order army that they just crashed right in front of with no weapons, but rather than having a heroic sacrifice it was all for nothing because Rose has a crush on a guy. It reinforced something I’ve always hated about Star Wars but could ignore in the original trilogy because everything else was (for that time) so well done. That is that (like most science fiction) the understanding of basic military strategy is pathetically weak. It’s kind of at World War I levels but really not even that.
Dr. Manhattaning! LOL!
Abe, totally agree with your thoughts on the Lego Movie...but you should definitely check out Lego Batman. Will Arnett and Zach Galifinakis make the movie hilarious
I liked it
Seeing the film tomorrow, stopping by to add a view and a like, be back Sunday to actually watch
Jeffy Weffy all for it dude. But watching the whole video counts as a view. I think just clicking it doesn't do much, no?
I'm not sure, but I know liking a video really helps boosts it's visibility on other peoples suggested videos and it's chances to go trending.
Jeffy Weffy cool man. Do you know of any other things that can be done to up the viewable? Wanting to help the swaimsterrrr...
Does liking comments do anything?
So far I've been viewing and liking the videos.. not sure what else can be done.
Likes, views, and comments are what I know will help, or what I believe will help based on what RUclipsrs I follow say. You notice it a lot with heavily corporate channels that more often than not, after the like and subscribe line, throw out a question prompt of some kind to generate comments. Usually something lame and baity like "Did you like the original or the remake more, tell us in the comments."
And I agree, anything to help the Swaimsterrrr.
I very much enjoy the show. I like the deconstructions and the comparisons to corporate influence on film. Very good point about selling toys. That said, you have got to stop interrupting each other. 😁
Green Space turd hehe. You are loved Michael 🙂 abe too
I don't think phasma is dead. We'll see in part 3. I don't think Rey's parents are "nobody". We'll see in the next movie. I don't know what will change in part 3. I'm very excited to see though. Because just like Return of the Jedi, PART THREE can change every lingering question and doubt that I have.
Imagine if Return of the Jedi featured Han dying in the freezing process, or if we got no closure to the "I am your Father" reveal. Imagine if people then had said "well Han is frozen but why would they freeze him since he's a major character??? They wouldn't have known back then, that the freezing process wouldn't kill him,...they couldn't know! There was no context!
So it would seem silly to us now if they made those judgements before having closure. Imagine that stuff happening at first, but then...Imagine if you had assumed all that kind of garbage was going to be the truth before you saw the conclusion. Before part 3. Would that not be prematurely assuming that you know where the story is going? Should TLJ suffer now, for things that might make sense later?
Is this a point? I thought it was, but I don't think I'm that smart. But really though, just imagine that you assumed that nothing would change or get better from Empire to Jedi. Would that affect your opinion of The last Jedi? Knowing that everything could turn?
I respect anyone who embarrasses me for this poorly formed opinion:) I know I'm grasping at straws. I just didn't mind it, and I'm excited for the next. But not trying to be a lil bitch about it. So sorry I guess.
Well, this aged poorly.
What happens to Wash he is a leaf on the wind then what lol
right after she says '...by saving the things we love...' you get this awesome shot of the door being blown to bits, dooming their comrades hiding behind it ... i laughed my ass off in the theater... it was monty python ridiculous... the contradiction, continuity errors, gotcha moments in place of actual pay-offs are but a couple of the glaring bone-job this movie ended up being.
i know that it may be a bit simplistic to set the blame for this debacle on one person or event.. but i can be so i will: kathleen kennedy... she's turned this 4 billion dollar IP into a corny, tone-deaf soapbox for a cause that is in a fight with itself.
there are so many things that could have been done to make this IP utterly amazing... you know it.. i know it...
kind of a shame...
anyhoo.. subscribing to your new thing here... lookin forward to new content... bonne chance!
The movie wasn't original which is a lot of people's defense of it. It's just a mash up of Empire and Return with different characters.
how is it a mash up of empire and jedi?
Last Jedi was aaaawwwwfull
You hate Stranger Things?You done bumped your head?
can someone give abe the word "emblematic" for me? "indicative" was good, "endemic" was okay, but "anthemic" does not mean that. "emblematic" is nice, though.
more importantly, great podcast. wasn't planning on seeing this, only marginally more likely to see it now. love the commentary on pandering to international loss recuperation and the loss of creative risks with corporate consolidation in the entertainment industry.
still curious whose decision it was to not spell it "smol beans"
Like me some small beans baby🤗
Liked this movie,but Rey is just not as good a character as Luke.Luke was "The Prince who was promised"
“While Were Young” kind of sums up this next generation of storytelling. Which I like to call “fraud.”
...also, Adam Driver is in it.
I've never been more disappointed by a movie than I was by TLJ. In my ranking of SW, it's about as bad the prequels.
I simply didn't like it.
This didn’t age well... TLJ IS OBJECTIVELY THE WORST STAR WARS MOVIE EVER
This isn’t science or math so nothing is ever objectively the worst or the best, it’s all opinions although some opinions have better arguments to back them up. IMO Rise of Skywalker was the worst Star Wars movie ever. It is the only Star Wars movie I didn’t bother to even finish and that as I watched, I skipped over many parts. But I wouldn’t care to argue about it because IMO every Star Wars movie after the original trilogy was garbage and I never watched any of them (again, except the original-trig) more than once.
Intellectual Property Rights are the Kyber Crystals to Disney’s Empire.
At least I got to see a single X wing fight an imperial fleet. And a Jedi remote-in from home to save the galaxy.
...This movie was a great loss for the Rebellion.
Why does everyone believe, that when Kylo Ren told Rey, that her parents were "No one", that he was telling the truth?
Think about that. It's one small part of the points that you made, but it seems like you're accepting something as truth, in a series that was made legendary by taking a white LIE (Obi wan telling Luke that Vader killed his father) and twisted into an amazing truth!!! (Vader saying No,...I am your father!)
I know what you MIGHT say. That they didn't know that was going to be the case, and changed it when they got there. Well if that's the truth, then why not give this trilogy the same benefit of the doubt???
You don't know what the truth is intended to be yet. And if they end up retconning the current "truth" then they deserve the same courtesy that all fans gave the original trilogy. Please don't read this as whining and bitching at you, as I love you guys. But hopefully address what I say. This one small problem, may not even be what you think yet. Isn't that possible?
P.S. I'm not one of those people who is mad that you didn't like it. I would never say that your opinion is bad or wrong. I liked it, but can see that it was a little messy. I'm just pointing out my one nitpick from what you said. Hopefully respectfully.
I think Rian Johnson wanted it to be true it is thematically important to the overall point of the film. now if JJ decides to keep it is another story, I agree in so far as they might chicken out but I doubt it.
i hope that they leave her parents as nobodies as the star wars story really needs to move away from the whole one bloodline controls the fate of the galaxy thing and it fits her character and her reasons for seeking out luke so well.
Didn’t like Last Jedi that much sorry.
I feel like people forget all the goofy shit in the original trilogy when discussing TLJ. For every legitimate criticism of the movie, you can find a worse offense in the original trilogy. But for some reason, when dumb shit happens in old Star Wars movies, it's accepted. The original trilogy had badly written plot, bad acting, very badly choreographed lightsaber duel in a new hope, Cheesy effects, LOTS of actors in halloween masks. How about a 90 minute breakdown of all the mistakes in the old movies. I feel like people who dislike TLJ give all these bad elements a pass. I love those movies, but they are badly made in parts. This new trilogy is a much higher standard of filmmaking in terms of cinematography, art direction, effects etc.
keith guinan It's nostalgia glasses. Seeing the orig trig as a 12 y/o vs. seeing TLJ as a mid-thirties comedy writer.
I think there was a core appeal to the original movies namely that it revolved around good and likable characters. we care about what happens because we like Han, feel like Luke, and admire Leia. sure the movies are dated, and no I am not a huge fan of them, but I get the core appeal. additionally, while the old movies may not be perfect they were revolutionary for the time it is also a bit unfair to say the effects are cheesy in a 40-year-old movie, hell I think they hold up pretty well today.
the last thing I will say is that just because the originals were not perfect does not mean that the new ones are good, again I am not a huge fan of the originals they are flawed, but that does not make TLJ any less bad.
other critisums that can be shared by both the original trilogy and TLJ is snoke and the emperor not having any backstory and all mary sue remarks towards rey can just as easily be placed on luke and every original scene had pointless side quests like the space worm in them. when it comes to choreography the only one that was truely bad in the original trilogy was in a new hope, empires was passable and jedi's is still my favourite, i do love the choreography of the new films and they seem like a good balance between the original triology and the aweful prequel triologys choreography, which is just crap (i could easily write a whole essay on how bad it was), i will say that the lightsaber fights are done great in both TFA and TLJ.
Michael Hoover i main point though is that TLJ shouldn't get critised for things that we let slid in other star wars films, which is fair, things like snoke's lack of backstry and cheesey dialogue, etc.
my point though is that the thing that made all of that stuff work in the original trilogy is that it is all hung on an outstanding framework, namely the characters. sure there are flaws but the core of the film really works and so many of those things fall by the wayside, we care about the first Obi-Wan Vader fight because we like Obi and hate Vader so even if it looks stiff there is tension. on the other hand, TLJ seems to want to make us dislike the characters because of they all make terrible decisions which get tons of people killed and don't seem to give a shit about that, it undoes Finn's arch only to do it again but worse, and it adds an additional main character who does not get much of an arch to speak of but instead is just there to lecture the former child soldier that the empire can be dicks sometimes.
I guess the bottom line, is that there is no framework that allows the film to withstand the trimmers caused by its flaws and so that is what stands out.
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"totality of cinema?" "Hitchcock?!" Aren't these buzz words dumb people use to sound smart?
this film would have been better if they had just had the rey/luke/kylo ark. the casino/finn/rose thing was a complete waste of time. literally changed nothing and added like 45 minutes. It was like two movies running alongside each other, which meant you needed the two third acts
Al DEE the movie has one clear 3rd act. Not two.
Also, while the Fin/Rose subplot did ultimately end up pointless to the plot, it served to reinforce the theme of failure found throughout the movie, making it an important element to the overall message.
finn and rose's arc also tied in heavly with poe's arc, learning to fight to survive and protect, not fight to destroy the enemy (the right reasons to fight). also i quite liked the commentry of finn's subplot, it gave an intersting perspective to the star wars universe and i just enjoyed seeing rich people get their stuff trashed (i always enjoy that, it's just the socialist in me). as for the two films thing, that's always been in star wars, just look at empire and jedi, i can agree a bit that the space battle did feel like the climax, only to have it go into another big action scene and that did lead to some pacing problems. but the act structure was not the problem and films don't always have to follow the three act structure, another common structure is the five act structure, which probily fits the last jedi better.
Al DEE
If they could take out Holdo too
I love the irony that you didn't get the salt line. This. Right here. This is the salt. Pfff, y'all don't deserve Star Wars.
Snoke dying without being fleshed out and dying so easily was horrible, Hopefully Kylo was lying about Rey's parents, Luke Obi Wanning it was dumb, the force hologram retro actively made the 'ALL THE GUNS' scene worthless.. Would have rather seen Luke actually blocking all those blasts.
yeah it's not like the emporer wasn't fleshed out when he died. really so you want rey to follow the same story as luke and all of her actions be down to her bloodline and not her character? i quite like the fact that the series isn't going to be tied down to one family, it opens the whole franchise up to characters that aren't just superbeings with daddy issues being the only people who have any control over the fate of the galaxy. i agree that luke doing that would have been really cool but it would have made any death scene with him in this or the next film really unbelievable and would also have conflicted with the themes of the story.
Uh, there was a hold the phone joke in Star Wars: A New Hope. It's not exactly new to the series
"Boring conversation anyways..."
And a robot with a microphone mouth in Empire too.