Longrange blog 182: Reloading accurate ammo
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- I loathe reloading, but do it due economy. It steals enough time as it is and I don't use any advanced methods to get the accuracy I have. If you want to learn, don't ask me but read here www.6mmbr.com/j.... or watch this RUclips channel • Sinclair Reloading Ser...
Thanks for not candy coating a very tedious, but very rewarding process. A very honest view point.
Thanks! I have since this more or less given up reloading. Too time consuming.
Thomas, Your videos are well made and informative. Short and to the point with great camera work. Thank you and keep it up! D
Thanks! You might want to skip right to episode 341, better camerawork and more info. ruclips.net/video/w8aJUkvoWzU/видео.html
Haha, love the ending Thomas.
Very true, seldom a necessity. For myself. Only factory ammo I buy is .22lr. I haven't brought centerfire factory loads in 15+ years.
Something like that myself (well, excepting the cheap 6,5x55 match ammo). I bought one packet 6,5x284 just to see what a factory load would do in my barrel and I bought one packet hunting ammunition 6,5x55 just in case I was caught empty on my way to a hunt. Enden up giving away the hunting ammunition. But I have now just made a decision that enough is enough and I will reduce my reloading as much as possible and in the process shift over to calibres that's less expensive to shoot (17 HMR and 6,5x55).
Really enjoy the behind the scenes vids. Reloading, pre-shooting packing, etc.
Thanks for that. I try to show every step of the process. There's nothing magic about what I do and basically everyone can achieve the same results. I'm going to return to the very basic shooting exercises this summer (I need to!) and show how I train.
Been watching for years. I wish he could do more reloading sessions.
Sorry, unable as RUclips forbids it. Also, I am not very competent, I just do what the manual says. Rules are "Don’t post content on RUclips if the purpose is to do one or more of the following: [...]Provide instructions on manufacturing any of the following: [...]Ammunition..." support.google.com/youtube/answer/7667605?hl=en
I feel the very same way. I dread the reloading process (especially case prep), but love the economy and accuracy.
Case prep is a truly TRULY dreadful process. So much work and "nothing" happens in terms of rolling out finished rounds. But unfortunately, it's just one of those things I have to do in order to stay shooting.
I love reloading, one of the simple and mind numbing processes I actually enjoy
I used to be the same, but as I keep running out of time (due spending it on the computer), I have started to dislike it.
Weighing powder is alot more accurate than throwing powder. This is because throwing powder relies on gravity and weight of the powder ontop of the charge being thrown. As you throw each charge the powder ontop is reduced causing the proceeding charge to vary.
Powder throwers are good for pistols in a multi-stage press.
For precision reloading single stage presses are better as you also dont have plate shift.
That's why you use a baffle in the powder thrower
I don't know, I have never checked a thrown charge against a weighed charge.
Thanks for all You vídeos Mr Thomas excelent Every single one !
Thanks for that, really appreciate that you enjoy them and take the time to say so :)
"Repeat a thousand times" 😄👍✌
Alan Hodgkinson Sad but true. I have since this film switched to 6,5x55 and factory ammo since this cartridge has a unique (cheap) position in Scandinavia.
@@THLR Finner jo enkelte 308 kal som er billigere enn 6.5 55
Thank you for your reply l have always used the titanium nitride bushings with no lube works a treat too.
I have that in one of my Redding sets. Works great! If you're already using the top option, no need to downgrade to anything else.
Good video as always, it could be interesting if you show us the before process, how to size the OAL, what height you have to put the bullet, how you can take the perfect load of dust for more precision, test for that... It is very interesting from my point of view. thank you for your videos from Spain.
Sorry no. The New RUclips policies prohibits films that provides instructions on manufacturing ammunition. support.google.com/youtube/answer/7667605?hl=en. I use this procedure sierrabulletsblog.com/2017/01/03/how-to-find-your-absolute-best-load/
THLR.NO I don't know it, thank you for the info!
Such a great channel, thank you! Such interesting videos!
Thanks, glad if you're finding something useful here.
That reminds me... I need a new or more funnels. I have just one that works great for some calibers but others it can spill. Mine is plastic but looking at yours it looks aluminum with brass end that bottom weight it. The optimum set would be aluminum funnel with brass ends of different throat sizes to fit different calibers.
I don't mind reloading. I can listen to the radio. The focus is sort of relaxing. My problem these days is finding the time.
I use the Satern aluminium powder funnel sold by Sinclair International. It was one of those understated items that look so simple but do so much to improve the work. The brass weight holds the funnel in place and let the powder run into the case and leaving my hands free to set the pan back on the powder dispenser. It has really been worth the money for me. www.sinclairintl.com/reloading-equipment/powder-handling/powder-funnels/aluminum-powder-funnels-prod33260.aspx
Ah, yes. The truly laborious part of volume shooting. I almost despise case prep. Charging and bullet seating are not so bad, but case prep... my peeve.
I very much feel the same. I once paid a friend's son a good worker's wage to do this work for me, but he disliked it same as me.
That's hilarious. I haven't been able to sucker anyone into doing my case prep as of yet. Even for money!
Kids today, to lazy to labour properly for money :D
***** Or too lazy to even work at all... haha
A known problem for every teenage parent...
that lyman gen6 has a small plastic insert for the dropper tube that limits the powder flow. it really helps avoid those over throws on the extruded powder like that. i tried it with and without and with was def more consistent. try it out.
I'm sorry to say I have thrown away the packaging. However, I do have a milkshake straw in the tube, and it has really helped in reducing overthrow.
my OCD would really slow the process down. Thanks for sharing.
Strong routines goes a long way in battling OCD!
When you load your bullet. Do you play much with seating depth. If so, what is your take on jumping bullets to the lands?
I am not really competent on reloading, I can follow instructions but don't necessarily fully understand the process. I follow Sierra Bullets' process and settle for whatever results that yields. sierrabulletsblog.com/2017/01/03/how-to-find-your-absolute-best-load/
perfect ! thanks again Thomas
Glad you liked it!
Why are you doing a full resize instead of just neck? Surely for long range the fire forming of the case would be a benefit...plus neck sizing increases the life of the case.
Also...what brand is that auto scale/trickler?
This barrel will die somewhere in this ammunition batch. By fullsizing I can just put in the new barrel and continue shooting. I normally just necksize when the ammunition batch will be inside expected barrel life.
I am new into LR shooting and got me a rifle and a scope.
Now I´m testing for "the load", and my question to you is:
What do you call an "accurate ammo"?
What must an ammo be able to do or hit, to be accurate enough for you?
Precision, speed, consistency,....?
I use this method for finding the load sierrabulletsblog.com/2017/01/03/how-to-find-your-absolute-best-load/. For me a precise loads would be bullet holes touching or better. Anything measuring 20mm edge-edge (100m) is considered good enough for this. Speed and consistency I don't really measure. I do take note of ES and SD now that I have a chronograph, but it is only considered supplementary information - for example if two groups on target are roughly the same, I will pick the one with lower ES.
@@THLR Thanks mate!
Greets to the Northerners.
:o )
Er det 6.5-284 som er tingen enda eller ? Jeg tenkte at 7mm rem mag må være bra for longhold ? Jeg bruker 7mm rem mag på drivjakt etter vildsvin . Fungerer meget bra syns jeg .
Skyter fortsatt 6,5x284. 7mm RM vil også fungere bra på langhold.
Checking out your reloading video and was wondering do you just use neck tension or a light crimp when you reload?
Just neck tension, no crimp.
Another great blog just wondering what type of dies do you use are you full length sizing ? .l have a R8 with a 6.5x55 match barrel and will start reloading for it soon l have reloaded quite a bit for other calibers and have used bushing neck dies with great success .What would be your advise for Reloading the R8 .?Neck sizing or Full length with neck bushing ...
I try to necksize only to keep the work involved to a minimum. Full lenght sizing requires case lube and degrasing, if I can avoid that I will. Neck sizing only requires graphite and no degreasing. For many years I reloaded 6,5x55 with a Forster Neck die (no bushings) and later upgraded to a Redding bushing die (as I read that was better). I honestly can't say I noticed any difference in my end result. For neck sizing/ dry lube, I highly recommend this product (just dip case mouth in box and you're done) www.sinclairintl.com/reloading-equipment/case-preparation/case-lube/imperial-application-media-prod33148.aspx
Nice video, that's a huge impressive efficient effort. So you don't believe in chasing the lands as the throat wears? you just test seating depth for accuracy with each new barrel and go with one setting for the entire life of the barrel? How many times do you use your brass, are you bumping a small amount 0.001 inch? Do you anneal after a certain number of firings?
Yep. Case prep sucks. But then you get to shoot more....
How did you determine your bullet seating depth?
With help of my cleaning rod. I put the cleaning rod in via the muzzle and it will stop on the closed bolthead; put a pencil mark on the rod. I then drop a bullet into the chamber and use a rod to push it against the barrel lands. I then insert the cleaning rod again, it will stop against the bullet and I put another mark on the rod. The distance between the two marks are my cartridge lenght, and I adjust my bullet seating die so the cartridge to be shorter than this. It is not a truly precise method of measuring, but it is sufficient for what I'm doing. Sinclair Internationals/ Brownells sells tools that can make this process more precise.
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I use the same method. A variance of +/- .001-.002 seating depth isn't going to show much effect through the more glaring obvious human error factor of shooting and environmental factors.
While there is no reason not to have a .002" accuracy in seating bullets (because with modern loading equipment it's very feasible) I don't think even .005" variance is going to make much difference (unless you seat .005" compressed into the rifling lands).
Powder charge accuracy and case neck uniformity is most key in having precision ammo.
Sounds very right to me. Considering how well quality factory ammunition shoots in a wide range of factory rifles, I have never been too worried about seating depth other than maximum lenght.
Which equipment would you recommend for reloading?
I would avoid it. First make a realistic assessment of how much you will be reloading, if you will be reloading ALL your ammunition or just some of it. Any single stage kit topped with good dies (I prefer Redding and Forster simply because I'm so familiar with them) will do a low volume job, if you're into pistol cartridges a progressive press makes more sense. As it is, I am simply unable to find a lot of time for reloading so I buy my bulk practice ammunition and I reload the odd calibers plus hunting ammunition. To buy a minimal kit with ambition to expand or go overkill (rarely any economy in that) is both poor approaches and you'll be wasting a lot of money that can buy factory ammo. So start with identifying your actual need and assess if you have the time to do it. Reloading in itself is a very uncomplicated process, a bit scary at first, but just read the instructions and follow them.
What is your routine with used casings? Do you just collect them for a while? Do you clean them right away when getting home? :)
I put the empty cases in an outer pocket on the backpack. My tumbler is in the garage, so I dump the cases straight into the tumbling media before I enter the house. I also bought a power supply timer, so when the tumbler has enough cases, I simply start the tumbler and it cuts off by itself. When the cases are clean I bring them into the house and put them in a ventilated mesh box where they will lie until it's time for re-sizing.
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what model of device for weighing the powder do you use?
Both are Lyman. I think the old one is DPS Gen 3 and the new one is Gen 6.
Is that a Lyman powder scale?
I think i am going to buy the gen6 model.
FINZKI Yes, I have Lyman Gen3 and Gen6. Works fine!
Im going to buy that scale too, no doubt of that anymore :)
I wanted to ask about tumbling. Is brass tumbled/cleaned before hand?
Yes absolutely. Vibrated in corn media and polish solution. I don't put dirty cases into dies.
+THLR.NO ok great. I thought so. So you trim after tumbling. I also wanted to ask if you tumble after trimming to clear out brass shavings. Im just about done setting up my press and want some advice as i also shoot long range and want to load for quality. Thanks.
No I don't tumble after the trimming, but I do debur inside/outside like shown.
Hi Thomas!!! Is it Redding big boss or big boss 2? And what which is better?
Kut Kut I'm not sure. I wanted to buy the Redding Co-Ax or Redding T7, but none of these were available when I needed a reloading press.
THLR.NO thank you Thomas,very glad to see your answer 👍👍
hei for en fin video. kult å se at du holder stand, er en stund siden jeg har checket innom hær.
hvordan rengjør du hylsene?, klarer ikke helt å bestemme meg, tumbler eller ultralydsvasker.
Vel, her i nord finnes det ikke så mange aktiviteter tilgjengelig. Hadde jeg bodd i DK hadde jeg nok tilbragt dagene på stranden nå. Siden jeg ikke er depressiv eller suicidal, så gjør jeg ikke det i nord-Norge. Jeg har prøvd både tumbler og ultralydvasker. Begge fungerer, men med ultralyd hadde jeg et stort problem med å få hylsene skikkelig tørre etter vask og de irret innvendig. Jeg har derfor kuttet ultralyd og bruker nå kun tumbler med cornmedia og polermiddel.
How do you like the Gen 6 powder dispenser? Does it overthrows often?
I like it just fine. A milkshake-straw inserted in the tube eliminates most of the overthrow, and when it underthrows I just use a tweezer/nail to tip in another 4-5 kernel of powder.
Thanks for the response man! I'm trying to decide between the Gen 6 and RCBS chargemaster, I might choose the Gen 6 if it's this easy to get rid of over and underthrows
I am under the impression that the dispensers from Hornady, RCBS and Lyman all has its quirks. I use the Lyman because it was on the shelf with my local dealer. My friend is an european championship gold medalist BR, he has the RCBS and is equally happy with that. Our Blasers shoot the same.
Hi Thomas. Do you full length size your cases every time?
No absolutely not, I try to neck size only as much as possible. That is a much cleaner reloading process, as I can use graphite powder instead of wax lube. I FL sized this batch because I expect my current barrel to die somewhere in the next 1000 shots. So in order not to have any surplus ammo that cannot be used in the next barrel (as would be for necksized cartridges), I simply full lenght sized everything. This way I can just switch to next barrel and not having to worry about reloading new ammunition as well.
I thought that may be the case. I also only neck size unless there is a reason as its way faster and cleaner.
Absolutely agree. I even invested in the Redding dies with Titanium (??) bushings so I could do the entire reloading process without using lube. Works very well for what I want to achieve (minimum time reloading).
You should tare weigh your loaded ammo to ensure you don't have a squib load. The way you are doing it you only have one chance to check powder load. I could have sworn you missed charging a case in this video.
Good input! My safeguard against that is looking into the case and actually seeing the powder before the bullet is seated. It's a little hard to film in this cramped space.
Absolutely off topic: As an alternative to manual loading, what factory ammo in .308 would you recommend? The best for me by far is the Remington premier match with the SMK bullets.
On the local shelves in Norway, you'll find Norma and Lapua. As for match ammunition, any match brand locally available. Price & availability is a huge factor for me when selecting ammunition, much more than a theoretical ballistic benefit. I'm not shooting ammunition $10 per round if I can do pretty much the same for $1,50.
+THLR.NO i agree I'm not willing to pay lapua prices. The before mentioned Remington premier match 168gr delivers .5 moa from a 18" ar10, that's connecting bullet holes for 17€/20 in .308Win calibre
Look no further! I don't think I'd be able to find Remington Match ammunition in Norway. Remington hunting ammunition is plentiful though.
+THLR.NO pretty good availability here in Germany. Unfortunately no good source for berger bullets though. I see you shooting amax probably for the same reason?
I'm shooting Amax simply because it's a good & cheap bullet. Bergers are available, but at 2-3x the price so not a desirable option.
Hey Thomas, what Caliber was that, 6.5X284?
That's one of his calibers he shoots, so I'd say yes.
+6.5 Grendel, cool, I thought so, with 67grains if I remember correctly should be it. Cheers.
Yes, this is my 6,5x284. I used to have a 6,5x55 as well, but as the reloading process is the same and performance near identical, I just switched 100% to the x284 to keep logistics a little simpler. I use about 7-8 grains more powder in the x284 and there really isn't much of a V0 difference between the two.
very cool, man!
Many thanks. This is probably one of the more boring videos, but it is also a part of my routine. Just made it to show there is no magic to creating accurate ammo.
Have you ever used Brenneke TIG or TUG?
No sorry, I have never used any RWS ammunition simply because it is pretty scarce in shops here. Norma, Lapua and the US brands totally dominate supply.
why dont you just lube inside the dye instead of every case?
No idea. The reloading books says to do it like this. Sinclair International also has a very good channel here on RUclips that shows reloading very well.
There you go: Not a recommended pratice.
Hei! Lader du fortsatt likt? Hvis ikke hadde det vært kjekt med en ny blog på emnet!
RUclips har lagnt ned forbud mot å vise hjemmelading, så det skjer ikke. support.google.com/youtube/answer/7667605?hl=en
RUclips prohibits certain kinds of content featuring firearms. Specifically, we don’t allow content that [...] Provides instructions on manufacturing [...] ammunition [...].
Hej, är det "redding big boss 2" du använder?
Usikker. Det er ihvertfall en Redding som er beskrevet som "stor" for å håndtere lange magnum patroner.
Ja, det var Redding Big Boss jeg har.
Du gör verkligen bra videosnuttar, Thomas! Lite roligt med historien om "Thomas & A-max´arna"...:-)!
Mvh Robert Magnström
Mange takk for det Robert. Hornady har jo sluttet å produsere Amax nå, så dette ble en midtlivskrise helt på høyde med en overraskende skilsmisse for meg! :D
Aj, aj...beklagar sorgen men ser dock fram en ny "lovestory" :-D!!
Jeg håper det. Billige & ekspanderende kuler finnes det ikke så mange varianter av...
SST? Skjuter mkt bra i min R93 308..
For dyr. Amax kostet kr 2,10 per kule. SST er kr 4,91. Må nok gjøre papirarbeidet og importere et større kvanta av den nye Hornady ELD kulen.
Whew! All 182 episodes in three weeks. I did it gg^^
Whaaat! That is a massive amount of prospecting to find the few nuggets there are. Hope you're ok! :D
Thank you for your concern. I think I'm fine. :) It was some nice pice of educational distraction to watch after 1-2 hours of studying. I even found some time to watch LR from scratch at night. A very well made film if I'm allowed to say so.
Hmm, my last post is missing. Did I delete it unintentionaly, was it you or youtube?
+Forestal Frank No it's all there. June 20.
Do you see it, because I do not? It was one quite long regarding reloading and optimisation of the process. Best regards and thank you for your reply.
1000 in one go? Dont envy you that...
In time it's actually spread out over a week's spare time, but it is one "go" and one batch of ammunition.
I'm batting boredom after 50, god only knows what preparing 1000 cases must do to the mind :(
It is destructive, especially if the weather is nice outside (not so much the case here, but still...)
Cannot complain here Thomas; but you will know that if you have been to Shaun's recently. :)
No. not coming over until autumn. Enjoy your midges!
nothing more accurate than your own tested loads
Very true! Familiarity with the trajectory and good windcalls are worth a lot more than a 0,2 MOA increase in precision.
Magic 😉
Yuriy S. Thanks!
Two words. Turret or progressive.
I would agree, but I am trying to cut down on reloading.