"I have an idea, let's make Eskal INTO wait for it TREE.... MONSTER....THEN Geraldine kills him." "Did you say Geraldine?" "Eh. I never read the books or played the game."
it wouldn't be so bad if they just ignored it. It's worse than that. Distorted for no logical reason. In fact, it only makes sense if the writers have a vendetta against the source
@@danzai Same sentiment for that amazon Halo series. The only reason you would race swap Captain Keyes, is to divide fans. If they needed a black character so bad, Sgt Johnson was a *fantastic* universally beloved Halo character. It makes no sense to reinvent Captain Keyes, then kill him off on Reach before the events of the first Halo ring where he played an important role. Mainstream entertainment seems to purposely hire the worst writers, it can't be an accident that virtually everything that gets made is unfaithful, even disrespectful, to the source material. These writers seem to despise the source material and hate the fans. That's okay, they need my money, I don't need their show.
I feel like Netflix's Witcher is the best example of a fantasy adaptation gone wrong. Writers that openly mock and hate the source material, actors who don't understand the roles they play (except Cavill), and managers who have no passion for the project. It also tries to chase the high of GoT. GoT is dark and gritty. Witcher is dark and gritty. But Witcher does not equal GoT. So not only does the Netflix series completely disrespect the source material, it also disrespects what makes the fantasy genre so good by thinking that every fantasy adaptation has to be the next Game of Thrones.
i agree but with the exception of joe batey, i personally love his jaskier/dandelion. did great making him not just a playboy but keeping him complex and while a bit playboyish, mostly just cant help falling in love a tiny bit with everyone he meets. not just sexually attracted to all of his flings but undeniably romantically attracted to them and caring
@@mintymelancholy Sorry but, what's there to like? They completly removed every peronality trait he had in the books, the actor had 0 things to work with, how can that be a good rendition?
The worst thing about this is that the intellectual property is now "tainted" by the incoherent schlopp that Netflix delivered. It's gonna be years and decades until another production company even touches this with a 10 foot pole, if ever.
Could Witcher 4 revive interest for the universe from production companies? The Netflix show really screwed up the image & idea of Witcher for non-fan audience
@@redblade7029 It could if the Witcher 4 would still be centered on Geralt's story but because his story is finished, the fandom worries about the game 4 too.
IF there is another production company, I might be misremembering how author sold the witcher tv media related rights to netflix only. So its probably stuck with them
@redblade7029 if you look at whats going on with political agendas inside cs Projekt ATM, then I'd say witcher 4 is more likely to make things even worse
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 He is definitely a highlight of the show. Literally the only problem with him in the role is that he is too handsome in my opinion.
That was so dumb. They made me hate the show (like completely give up and stop watching). They killed him off for no reason and made me like Treebeard less 🤣.
They even created new witcher for this show. Ignoring how stupid that whole leshen thing was, why did it happen to Eskel and not one of the new witchers?
@@fearlessromeo4293 Tbf, rather not see it at all and wait for someone to actually do a great adaptation in like... 10 to 20 years? Ffs. :D ... But yeah, what a scene!
@@valliyarnl yea, if I was in the place of someone who didn't know the series beforehand and watched this boring mess with bad writing I'd be pretty confused as to why people like this franchise so much
I mostly agree with these rankings, but I'll be honest, Vesemir wanting to murder Ciri for her Elder Blood in order to make more witchers should get AT LEAST life in prison, if not the death sentence. I mean come on, he's basically been a grandfather figure to Ciri (so he shouldn't even THINK about wanting to kill her), a father figure to Geralt (so he shouldn't even THINK about wanting to kill his adoptive daughter), and a father figure to the other witchers (who also started caring a lot about Ciri as they trained and even kind of helped raise her, and who, especially Lambert, didn't seem really keen to be witchers nor to make more witchers, so they too would be opposed to the idea), so there's no way this shit would ever happen, not in the books and certainly not in the games! And also, correct me if I am wrong, I also don't think he ever even mentioned wanting the witchers to be in higher numbers, therefore where does the wish of making more witchers even come from? I've re-read the books at the beginning of this year and I can't for the life of me figure out when Vesemir even mentioned wishing for there to be more witchers. Honestly, I kind of liked the first season, but after the whole fiasco with Vesemir wanting Ciri's blood and Yennefer losing her powers, I just couldn't watch the show anymore. I think it's ok, or maybe even good for someone who has never read the books or played the games, but as a fan of both the books and the games, the show is utter garbage and I hate Netflix for it. And I'm saying this as a person who kind of rocks the "I don't give a shit" attitude, so watching myself be so pissed of about something like this says something, lol.
you know what? fair enough. I wanted to get some sort of death sentence and the fact that Vesemir disappears after book 1 made me rank it lower. but yeah. super super disappointing. and i feel you rage, trust me.
Was Vesemir against making new Witchers or was it only the smashed instruments and killed mages prevented the mutation rituals after the Raid on Kaer Morhen?
@@svenr.3803 I believe to remember from the games Vesemir hated that the children suffered and died. I may be imagining it, but I want to believe to remember he was glad the School of the Wolf was coming to an end because no more children were to be put through the trials.
I think all of you miss the point that even before Vesemir becomes like a grandfather to Ciri, forms familial bonds with her, he still wouldn't sacrifice a random child to make more witchers. That's the biggest problem here - the "uncle Vesemir" argument can potentially be countered by "well, he's not reached that point in his arc yet". But "Vesemir sacrifices a child's life to make mutagens" simply doesn't fit his character period.
It's so crazy that the entire witcher tv series seems like it is made by people who had a deadline for a story and they just decided to ask the worst ai to summarise the books, which it did by making up random bullshit, and they submitted it.
@@wiedzx to be fair, a lot of how Netflix operates has become public knowledge with time and thus we're aware of the fact that the way they try to keep the budgets balanced is saving money on everything not *visible* in their shows. Writers being one of such invisible assets
it felt more like it was made by people who did not understand or like the book series, i'd go as far as to say that they have a great deal of contempt for it.
The best characterization of Witcher TV adaptation by Netflix is something that I heard from one fiction writer: "They removed the heart with surgical precision from every single Witcher story and plotline and then violently shoved this heart into the story ass".
One detail that stuck out to me in particular was driads using crossbows in the show. A crossbow is not elegant it takes longer to draw and perhaps most importantly is much harder to produce, requiring a trigger mechanism while a driads primitive bow would be a string on a stick. Driads, beings who shape trees into being their homes, wear virtually no clothing and live harmoniously with the land would NEVER go through the trouble of making crossbows. Never.
Ok, so whilst I agree that them Americanizing it and the forced diversity, the poor casting etc were all bad things. Whenever I see someone talk about how the Witcher is "Slavic" I'm reminded of the fact that when someone said that to the writer he actually got upset and said he was inspired by countless cultures and not just slavic ones. I mean Jinn aren't really Slavic. Neither are names like Dijkstra etc
did the same with god of war supposed to be scandinavian myhtlogy but all of sudden we see scandinavian charcaters looking like they they are spanish or north african
Witcher books have nothing to do with abundance of slavic culture. If anything, the first few draw inspiration from english legends, post-roman Britain.
Honestly in Witcher 3 they butchered the entire character of Radovid too. Radovid the Madman is nothing like the ruthless but intelligent and at times quite sympathetic Radovid from Witcher 1 and 2. It feels like the entire "political" side of Witcher 3 was severely undercooked or cut, and scewed in Nilfgaard's favour in order to do the "Empress Ciri" ending
This is the worst. "You keep saying you're a Witcher fan. Why though?! That show is just bad!" Oh, really. "You put some video games over a TV show?!" Hell yeah, any time and every time. "You learn Polish just to read some novels?!" Well, the translations aren't bad, but they do lose a lot. My Gran hailed from there so it shouldn't be that hard. -- It is, though. Polish is a complex language. People complain how hard it is to learn German. They have no idea. The words are easy enough, but all that nuance! I'll never make it… :(
@Olfan I just got off work and was sleepy and almost thought you were against me 😂 BUT YES I FEEL YOU SO MUCH :( because I'm also learning Polish just for all the Witcher novels I bought last year, simply because the covers are so much prettier than the English versions (and without that Netflix logo!!) T.T Polish is fun to study but you're right, it's really difficult. And we might not make it but I don't wanna give up 🥲 I've already ordered the new book and I'm hoping that will motivate me since we won't know when the English translation will come 😂😭
Oh, I'm sorry, that wasn't my intention. The first sentence was meant to show how much I feel the situation you described, not to judge it. Glad you read on and we could connect.
@@Olfan No worries mate, I'm glad I reread your message! I was happy to connect with a fellow Witcher fan since I'm more active on IG than RUclips. Cheers :D
I remember liking the first season of the show when I watched it without knowing anything, but after reading the first two books I was like what happened.
Another small but huge change in the show that showed me the writers don't understand the characters, and why I hated this show from the beginning (I know people love season 1 I hated it) is in The Last Wish episode. In the books Yen thinks Dandelion is the one making the wishes which is why after she hypnotises Geralt to punish the people who insulted her, she teleports Dandelion to the courthouse to make a wish that what Geralt did (because she made him do it) would be forgotten by everyone so he is not punished or killed because of her (obviously it doesn't work because Geralt is the one with the wishes but she doesn't know it yet). Yet in the show Yen just does NOT care what happens to Geralt as a result of what she made him do and just threatens Dandelion to make a wish with a knife to his throat, which just makes her an evil selfish person where as in the books she DID care enough to not let him be punished because of what she made him do. It's a tiny detail but important imo exactly because of the implication that the show Yen did not care if Geralt would have been killed because of her. I loved in one xLetalis video how he compared the Netflix Eyck vs how CDPR made him in Witcher Tales: Thronebreaker which if you haven't played i HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend it is unbelievably good and criminally underrated. Also that is not the "Polish" eagle. I don't know what "Polish" is you made that up, that is in fact the REDANIAN eagle thank you very much
Are there people who love the first season? I 'm out after the first season because they implemented The Last Wish so poorly. "Who is Yennefer?" really??????
@@OonalovesAstarionssimpleplan Tons of people you'd be surprised. People loved it for some reason. It was better than the other seasons for sure but it wasn't good. Also Cavil is severely overrated just because he's a Witcher fan people worship him (Which I understand I really do appreciate him ALOT more than the others working on this show for how much he loves and respects the games and books but we can't look at his performance through these goggles of "he is one of us") , his Geralt wasn't good and not just because of the writing he is just not a good match for him imo especially the Witcher 3 version but they were adapting the books not the games so that's not something i would have held against him.
@@yairsofer8933 they also ruined the first wish. best joke in all of fiction and they fucked it up to replace it with a stupid 'oh no geralt feels bad for accidentally hurting dandelion' plot point
@@yairsofer8933 and yeah in the books yen is so overconfident in her ability to control outcomes that she gets people hurt. she's reckless and selfish, but not uncaring. in the show they just made her evil.
I would also count as a crime how Netflix writers tried to casually ride their favourite horses, like racism, strong women characters, and stuff, while completely ignoring the fact that Sapkowski's books already had those topics covered well ahead of the time on a completely different level of quality. I mean, it was always there, just go by the book, don't invent stuff you can't do properly.
You see, the problem with the original's coverage of those topics was that it was well written. Can't have that. Making people better understand societal problems by making them feel for well written characters facing those problems is right wing and problematic, especially when written by old white man. What does some dude, who lived under communism, know about oppression?
Agreed, there are so many badass and super intelligent woman in the books. They had so much to pull from to check their boxes or whatever, it boggles my mind. Oh wait no it doesn't I forgot that none of them understood or even really read the books lol.
1)Yennefer willing to sacrifice Ciri to get her powers back… 2)Vesemir wanting to make Ciri undergo the trial of grasses,also wanting her blood for whatever… 3) Eskel becoming a tree and getting unalived 😭 4) That Avengers:Endgame wannabe battle between the mages and the Scoia tael (ONE mage should have been enough to clear out those elves, let alone a group…) and they get wiped?! 5)Geralt doesn’t play Gwent or dice poker in the show (Unforgivable) I have a lot more beef, but I’ve run out of patience…
The highlight of the endgame battle was the hero moment of a racist man in robes calling another race mongrels before trying to kill them with fire. Bizarre shift in tone there, wasn't sure what message they were trying to send.
I know you AREN'T a Witcher account, but you're already my favorite one 😂 Binge watching all your videos. Love how much you understand and care about the Witcher. Unlike the Netflix writers.
The sorceresses are taught the price of magic. Fringilla makes a stone levitate and her hand withers. The other sorceresses levitate the rocks by draining a flower of its life essence. All this after Yennifer opened cross-continental portals with no external life force and stayed alive, instead of instantly dropping dead, as per the magic lesson. Depicting Queen Cyrilla in 4 separate time periods as the same actress, in the same costume, with no aging or de-aging makeup, or CGI, and then having the gumption to say "sorry we didn't make it more clear".
Oh my gosh I didn’t even catch that! You’re so right about the magic system 🤦🏼♀️ I think u mean Queen Calanthe? Honestly was so disappointed by her being so boisterous and drunk in that one scene :(
@@valliyarnl yes, Calanthe, Cyrilla's grandma. Sorry. I like Jodhi May as an actress, but having her look exactly the same as a supposed teenager, young adult, mother and grandmother was a failure of basic visual storytelling. She acted loudly and boisterously in that one scene to compensate for the fact that she looks nothing like the age she is meant to portray.
@@valliyarnl and what the heck was that stuff with catching lightning in a bottle supposed to be? Or transforming into eels that are swept into a pool of milk? WTF? If they wanted to deviate from Sapkowsky's magic systemy they could have, but that would require writing skill. For instance, if they wanted all magic to be paid for in life force, or whatever, they could have added a concept of the very first spell the mage spontaneously casts upon coming into their power to be a "freebie" for them. This would also explain why Yenniffer was so important, she can open portals anywhere without breaking a sweat. Of course, this would also require all other mages to be depicted having to prepare for an extended time gathering the energy needed to make a portal. There's also the matter of scale. Levitate a rock, your hand withers. Incinerate an army, you get difficulty with your sight for a short time. The show utterly failed to even hint at any progression of skill among the spellcasters.
After I saw the Eskel Tree episode I was left in such disbelief that I sat in silence for like 10 minutes pondering life 😂. I finished season 2 because I hate not finishing things, but I never even took a look at season 3. Screw that. How you could screw up a Witcher TV show when you have so much to work with is crazy.
@@Kintabl Yes, when I saw that I was like what the fuck? I asked myself if I heard it right and that that asshole is Eskel. I immediately thought about the mission with the goat and was like: "How dare you?"
How could you screw up? Simple, Lauren Hissrich only has experience writing series' driven by drama between characters, and the writers themselves admitted to hate the source material. Back when I first read the series a few years ago (minus the final book unfortunately, I think I need to read the series once again from 0), I really appreciated how not only relations between the characters are nuanced and organic, but the relations between kingdoms and races are too. Hell, even Geralt is exposed to act like a petulant kid in one of the earlier campfire conversations by being insistent on doing everything himself and bearing the weight of the journey only on his shoulders, and is called out by none other than Jaskier and the rest of the group for pushing away any kind of help (I might be getting the details wrong, it's been a while, but that one part of the book really stuck with me for personal reasons). And while the stance of Jaskier, Milva and Cahir was understandable and I think right, you really emphatised with Geralt and understood where he's coming from too. All that nuance is missing from the adaptation, and instead of shades of grey like in the real world, you are only presented black and white. In my opinion, they missed one of the key points of the saga - that evil isn't created in a vacuum, it's the result of everything that happened before, and sometimes even good people can commit evil by being misled, mistreated, or failing to reflect on their urges or actions. And meanwhile in the Netflix series, there's only good and bad. You are supposed to like the good and hate the bad. That's it. And I could say more. I hate the Netflix series with passion not even because how far it strayed from the original series and how it character assasinated almost the entire Witcher cast, but because now we have to wait for this slop to finish, and then wait another 5-10 or more years for somebody to take over the IP rights to give the series the adaptation it deserves 😒
Ya pretty much the WHOLE way they touched all the witchers, even Garalt, was crazy. That being said, how they handled Vesimir and Eskel, unforgiveable! I mean they made Vesimir into a selfish little weakling that is unable to figure stuff out, reach accordingly, or be badass in anyway! SMH.
On the point of Wyverns vs. Dragons: I normally don't have an issue with the terms each universe uses as long as they're consistent. In The Elder Scrolls, dragons have 2 legs and 2 wings, and it's okay because there are no wyverns in that universe, nor dragons with 4 legs and 2 wings. Same with A Song of Ice and Fire. But in The Witcher, wyverns and dragons both exist and are entirely different things, to the point where Geralt refuses to kill dragons because they are intelligent.
There are actually wyverns in the world of A Song of Ice and Fire. They are common in Sothoryos, a region south of the continent of Essos. They have two legs and two wings, they don't breathe fire. Both the region where they are common and wyverns themselves are sparingly mentioned in the main book series but to name a few, some of the gargoyles of Dragonstone depict wyverns, it is the coat of arms of a lesser noble house in the Reach, sworn to house Tyrell, and one of the main books Tyrion lists for information on dragons is about dragons, wyrms, and wyverns. A fan theory is that dragons might actually have been *created* by the Valyrians from wyverns through fire and blood magic. The next book, if it ever comes out, is supposed to shed light specifically on the origins of dragons and their connection to humans.
@@Jebusthlord That's interesting, never heard of them! Also, pretty curious how the only distinction seems to be the ability to breathe fire, since dragons are also always said to have two wings and to legs (like the Targaryen crest).
@@KingDodango Yes, they are very similar in this world. Wyverns are smaller, more aggressive, at least some hunt in packs (of 100+), and, ofc, they can't breathe fire. Hence why some fans hypothesize Valyrians created dragons from wyverns through magic. There is, so far, no lore evidence to support this aside their similarities, however. There are numerous comments from GRRM over the years where he was asked why his dragons had 4 limbs, not 6 and his answers basically boil down to: He's always disliked 6 limbed dragons even if that's their common depiction in heraldry and fantasy. His favorite dragon is Vermithrax Pejorative from Dragonslayer which also only has 4 limbs.
@@Jebusthlord I have read about GRRM's logic behind it. I believe he said somewhere that he thinks it makes no evolutionary sense since there are no real 6-limb vertebrates, or something along those lines.
Netflix was given a home run GOT level success! They had An amazing lead actor who loves the source material. They had a beloved franchise with deep lore and blew it terribly
They messed up too many things to count. But by far the stupidest thing they did was to make Yen to sell out Ciri. That was it for me. There is absolutely no going back from there.
This series is so easy to adapt, I have no idea how they messed it up Just do what dozens of other shows like Buffy, Supernatural, X-Fikes, etc have done and just have the first two seasons be a Monster of the week type show that builds up the world, then adapt the saga in later seasons. They could’ve even been creative and added some of their own stories to introduce important charterers and further tie into the overall narrative
@@Keram-io8hveveryone uses fast travel in that goddamned show. People go from Kaer Morhen to Oxenfurt then to Cintra and then back to Kaer Morhen in what feels like only a few hours, like literally overnight. They really don't know how to portray a realistic sense of world scale, you'd think all those places are located in the same neighborhood or something when they're very fucking far apart.
the Vesemir thing belongs into Death Sentence for me. Iirc Vesemir in the books was completely against the idea of creating new witchers, and Triss actually suggested to help him but he was firmly against it and wanted that knowledge gone for good. In the show they just turned that around 180 and it was one of the things I hated the most (only overshadowed by Yen trying to sacrifice Ciri) edit: spelling
Agreed. The idea that Witchers were needed after the Conjunction, but now the worst of the monsters are going extinct to the point Witchers aren’t needed anymore and new ones aren’t being created, is such a core part of the tone of the books. It doesn’t just ruin Vesemir’s character. It messes with the entire world setting and themes.
@@nicholasrage1640 True, I almost forgot about the portals bringing in hundreds of monsters, thanks for reminding me of more things I hated about the show xD
Ugh the scene where they literally rip out Yen's uterus rather than the magic affecting her fertility. What the hell. How would Geralt have been born at all if his mom went through the same procedure.
it's all just pushing Agenda. Can't have a caring male father figure in a TV show. That's why they turned smart handsome Foltest the only one believing his daughter can still be cured, into a drunk disgusting bumbling idiot that has to take instructions from Triss all the time.
🌼I honestly didn’t mind that they made Dandelion a bit more open to sleeping with both genders, that made sense to me, as an eccentric bard who sleeps around and very often writes songs about lovemaking and some less tasteful subjects to others, I felt like he is kinda open to new ideas n stuff
One thing it really bothered me that you didn´t mention is the Duny - Enhyr revelation so early in the saga. For me this was such a shock when it was revealed in the books, and in the show they just threw it in there early for the shock value... but so many things that needed to happen before you needed to find out of this!
I now truly understand the meaning of the "The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference". Witcher from Netflix is so bad, it made me re-evaluate my attitude towards its franchise as a whole. I don't think I would care if HBO would somehow secure rights for the adaptation and make it work. The whole thing is now sour, lame and retroactively ruined. Great video, keep up the good work.
Cathartic to listen to this 😌 i think it could have been so cool to use The Voice of Reason as an opening 2-3 minutes of each episode in season 1. Like you said, to ground each episode and the timeline, and a super easy way to familiarize viewers with exposition dump in a lore accurate way. But, seeing as it wasn’t nearly as offensive as season 2 I guess it doesn’t matter. Rip. I still love you Henry.
You were on point on everything. If they came in my country (just book a flight for some scenographer) they could travel in 2 days north to south and see every different landscape, from small desert to plains, forests and mountains, or any eastern country in Europe. Character design they could just google them, they could also find exact description of scenes just by googling them, for example Dryads of Brokilon forest, or "what kind of weapons Dryads use"....but nooooo agenda is more important and THE MESSAGE. Could also easily connect the show to the games and just continue the story, but noooo it is so difficult to use google, download pdf book, they literally had script laid down for them and use creative freedom to IMPROVE (the key word) upon books. Sad times that i will not live up to see proper witcher show made 😔😔🤦♂🤦♂
The lack of the Geralt/Dandelion friendship in the show made the show unwatchable to me. I can’t believe they thought that changing that relationship was a good idea.
i yelled at the tv when geralt punched dandelion. even though they'd just met, it's way out of character to punch a harmless buttmonkey like dandelion just for saying something insensitive
It's flabbergasting how unpolitical they tried to Make Geralt, but I distinctly remember from the books that Geralt was frequently critical of the world and society they lived. He wasn't some simpleton. But I felt like Netflix Geralt was only rolling his eyes and growling at everything rather than vocally critical or disdainful of people or politics. Just feels like the character is neutered. Yet I actually believe Cavill has the acting chops to pull off the intellectual Geralt... So I blame that on the writers as well, again, not keeping true to the source material they apparently hated. I don't know, feels like too much was deliberately cut out. And I just got to the Point of the video where you talked about exactly what I said above and now I feel like an idiot for bothering to comment before finishing the actual video, which I normally don't do for this reason, so I guess that reinforces why I don't do that. Also yes, I didn't enjoy the direction they went with Dandillion. Not because of they made him gay, who cares? But because Geralt and him aren't really friends in the show. Feels, like you said, more like an annoying fanboy
It's sad when companies are more worried about checking boxes than telling a good story. And ignoring or changing the core lore is shameful. (see Star Wars, LOTR, Witcher and on and on)
Oof I’m not as deep in the lore for that one. I also don’t think the crimes were as outrageous as the ones for the Witcher but who know? If I choose to do it I’ll send out a poll on instagram**
The crimes are superior sadly….. The series was great until about about book 8. You can forgive a lot. The show? At least some of the characters were good …. Like Morraine. The general casting otherwise …. I dare not say anything that would be construed as a hate crime, but they have destroyed my childhood almost as much as Disney with Star Wars. And I like the actress that did Yen despite the majority vote. They should have perhaps gone the anime route.
Yeah i dont understand why they dont go the anime route for such a big world, you need a shit ton of money to actually make a good show if its not animated in the case of WoT@@Anotherperson81
@@Anotherperson81there is a short dip for a book or 3 but the quality goes right back up at book 9 imo. Those last 4 are the best WoT books. But yeah the crimes are pretty severe there, the fact that the main character is just robbed of any cool moment he might have had, the fact that they break the very defined magic system in very serious ways....
You have mentioned Ciri being way too competent (big agree), but I´d like to raise a point of Geralt also being way too competent (and calculated) in some situations. Haven´t seen this trashfire of a show in a while, but I remember how they absolutely botched my beloved A Grain of Truth story. In that one (and many more), huge charm of the books is that Geralt is an exceptionally observant monster hunter yes, but he´s also just some guy sometimes and does not 100% of the time get things right. You as the reader unravel the mystery with him and watch him deal with situations in which he screwed up and it nearly cost him his life. Netflix Geralt feels like he could diagnose any type of cancer from licking a footprint. I don´t really get it 🤷♂ + to expand on this, Netflix decided to cater to 3 year olds, I guess?? I cannot fathom otherwise why would everything need to be spelled out at all times. They are dropping all of these backstories and sad things, fishing for sympathy points for characters they changed to be completely unlikable, and it comes off as incredibly tone deaf in the moment and comical (I believe they did this to Cahir, who is also my beloved blorbo and they deserve the electric chair for what they did to him). In the books there are so many wonderful metaphors, dilemmas, slow unravels of the tragedies many characters go and went through, sometimes not even ever said out loud and Netflix just completely stripped it bare and expects the same emotional impact, absolute joke. Anyway sorry this is long, love the video!
You raised so many good points in this video! Though I disagree with the Vesemir placement because they massacred his character so much. In the original story he's so kind, caring and would never ever hurt innocents while they made him a grumpy old man who is completely unlikable in the show. That's a death sentence from me. Also: I too hate it when Dragons are depicted as Wyverns.
Dijkstra's casting bothers me more than anyone because his appearance is such an important part of his character. He's supposed to be a massive brute with an unflattering pig-like appearance. He looks like the least intelligent person you've ever seen and yet he's a political manipulative genius. The guy they cast for the show looks like the stereotypical walmart version of the guy you would choose for that role. It completely removes that unique aspect from his character.
God i loved your channel so much!!! And yess!! I totally agree. I started reading witcher this year and im totally invested. I sure miss someone to talk about it, since none of my friends like the witcher stories. Im so glad I found your content!!!
The most painful pronunciation to me is Cahir. His names are all very Irish/Welsh/Celtic. The Irish town Cahir is close to where I spent every summer as a child. It's closer to Care
Them trying to make Yen and Vesemir hurt Ciri is the dumbest shyte I have EVER seen! I was infuriated! They ruined the found family trope that I loved about these books. Absolutely desgustang!
It so refreshing to see someone that actually knows what they are talking about when it comes to the witcher, it honestly felt like the writers of this series went out of their way to annoy the fans of the books, theres not quite getting something right when adapting and then theres just balatantly not caring about how their decisions effect the story, it really felt like they just wanted the names of the characters and not the characters themselves, the one that finally got me to stop watching was emyhr shouting to his army to go get his daughter, making the whole war that kicks everything off completely pointless and ruining the oh shit reveal near the end
You sure get it. I find myself agreeing with pretty much everything you said (well, almost). Here is how I would do the show, if I had the money / were the showrunner: Do Seaons of Storms and all the short stories, then tease Ciri at the end of season 1. If season 1 is successful, convince the studio to let us film the next seasons back to back, so that Ciri ages gradually WITH the story at the right pace. Hard sell? Yes. Impossible? Not if season 1 was a hit.
I will write it before watching the video, the totally destroyed Cahir´s portrayal In the third book he was this brooding presence, Ciri´s nightmare and more nightmare than man In the fourth book we finally saw who he truly was, just a young men following orders And then in next books he became my favourite character Unlike the show where he was psychopath and later knelt while saying "Pls kill me"
What I really hate about the show is what they did to Yennefer making her betray Geralt and Ciri for power then Yen creating and being the leader of the Lodge of sorceresses when in the books Yen hates the Lodge she joins them for 5 mins then quits immediately lol
i discovered your channel with your witcher videos , and i really think you're doing a great job talking about this franchise in a unique way and i'd love to see more 👏👏👍
The Netflix Witcher suffers from the same disease that other current adaptations suffer from which is bad writing and massive egos and self-inserts they don't respect the original source and try to outdo the original source it was apparent from the start when they started to take creative liberties with the writing Henry Cavill was the only person who actually cared and wanted for the show to be as close as possible to the books which rubbed the wrong way with the writers and directors massive egos and they just girl bossed Ciri and Yen and didn't give them any good character development and for some weird reason they made all male characters either reckless stupid or bad made and female characters with no flaws and just instantly made them strong also the main showrunner said she picked the actress for yen not because she was good or talented but for her color of skin which really just showed how much they didn't respect the actors or the source material and that's why everything felt boring and weird and didn't look like the witcher more like a regular fantasy drama look
Like to be fair, both Yen and Ciri are “girlbosses” in the source material too but a) Yen is very enigmatic at the start and b) Ciri is a naive child and only grows into the leading-lady of the series in the penultimate book. As for Henry, I guess he’s the reason why there aren’t many Geralt-related crimes bc I think it’s evident he tried to mitigate :)
@@valliyarnl True but the TV show really just felt like it didn't have any effort done to ensure it was as close as possible to the original books also they tried to make the death of his horse Roach a Comedy scene which Henry didn't like one bit and fought hard to change it and they told him to write the lines and do the scene by himself in a very short time
@@stephengrant4841 It's egos and selfish writers and directors and screenplay writers who try to self insert unnecessary topics that has no point being in the TV show
The video is amazing, i wholeheartedly agree with your takes. Also love hearing how you accent changes when you pronounce polish words, one does really start thinking about how our personalities are also different when talking in different language
The reason why they don't understand Yennefer is that, for these writer bunch who spent their life in offices, clubs, writing confererences and maybe book conventions, Yen's motivations are so unrelatable The whole reason why Geralt and Yen are so attached to Ciri, why they're so wildly committed to her wellbeing, is that both of them find meaning of their life in their parenthood to Ciri. They're both bereft of a legacy, of something that'll go beyond their persons, of _something more_ and Ciri, all the sudden was just that. A Child of surprise, for them both to pass on their own way, their own view. Geralt was suffering from extreme nihilism and existential crisis, and was resorting to black gull, a heavy hallucinogen before finally taking Ciri in Yen was endlessly searching some sort of meaning in her life, through her toxic sense of relationships. But to the show writers understanding, they just saw Yennefer wanting to have a child, just for the sake of it. It was just about Yen not wanting to compromise anything. And Geralt actually tells her that she'd be a bad mother, and that he'd not have a child simply because his way of life wouldn't support it is just fucking dumb and so modern thinking it still annoys me to remember it
Totally not related to the video lol, but maybe a month ago you recommended "Balladyna" by Slowacki. I finished it not too long ago and really enjoyed it (as much as you can enjoy a story about murder). I read a lot of Shakespeare for my degree in college, so it wasn't as difficult as I was anticipating. I also studied a lot of the Arthurian myths in school, and it was super interesting seeing some elements of that influence Slowacki's work. Thanks for the recommendation! I bought it as part of a collection including three of his other works, so I'll probably end up reading those too.
Ah! I’m so glad you enjoyed it! He’s very foundational to Polish Romanticism and I think “vibe” wise you can truly get a feel for Polish culture/traditional stories. I haven’t read his other works yet (Kordian is his most famous work so I assume it’s in the bundle), but I really want to soon. Happy reading!
Nice vid! I liked season 1 actually (I watched it before I read the books and had only played Witcher 3 a few hours at that point 😅) . The rest of the series was okay-ish in my opinion. BUT now that I've read all the books I'm astonished at what the Netflix writers did.. butchering so many characters and fundamentally changing magic (was surprised at first in the books when someone used a fire spell haha🙃) as well as many plot stuff. Like you said: Yennefer and Vesemir would NEVER even think about killing Ciri. Emhyr var Emreis 'true' identity reveal is such a cool mind blowing moment in the book (thankfully I completely forgot they already revealed it in the Netflix series lol)
@@valliyarnlhahahah 'twas but a jest, obviously. In all seriousness I really like the video, you kept a gracious and enjoyable tone while reviewing that... thing. Keep up the good work Wera 👍
Loved your take I was ranking along with this video and was saying all the same things as. The writers and showrunners took certain plot points from the lore and source material and just bastardised them thinking they know better. After Eskel in S2 I could sense what was happening and then the shitshow with Yennefer trying to kill Ciri.. Wow just Wow. I’m all for adding new characters as long as they add something to the story or existing characters but leaving out characters and mini stories like Shani, Little Eye or Dudu and replacing them with Dara the Disappointing and Mrs Baba Yaga is just so frustrating. I think the actors playing Yennefer, Dijkstra, Philippa, Rience , Francesca and Vilgefortz are all great castings and had so much potential but have all been butchered by awful writing. And even though I think Cahir, Triss and Fringilla were all casted wrong, with good writing I believe they could’ve worked. And I’m glad you made a point about not blaming the actors because unfortunately it’s too common for fans to vent their frustration at the actors when in reality it’s the directors and showrunners at fault. I guess whoever is cast as Stefan Skellen and Leo Bonhart will have to be working overtime in the coming seasons in order to replace Rience now that his storyline has been cut 2 Books Short. I felt so bad for Henry Cavill when he stepped away from the role but I’m glad he won’t have to be a part of the flop that is going to be S4.
The costumes are so uglyyyy 😭 why is Triss always wearing a potato sack tied up with a string as a belt? Why are all the other witches dresses up so badly? Why is Filippa the only one with more creative costumes (like with feathers ect.)? Why was the fashion at the Thanned ball so horrible???? 😭 I swear everybody was doing black on black, even the musicians and Sabrina out of nowhere wears champagne colored dress? Make it make sense 🥹
And FOR ONCE give Sabrina a black wig. That’s all I want. I hate her look in The Witcher 2 (big pet peeve of mine), and the actress they cast had the same nose shape as she has in the books and I was yay this’ll be perfect I can’t wait to see her in a black wig… AND SHE NEVER GOT A BLACK WIG. That’s all I want 😭😭😭
Thank you for making this video! As a fellow female Witcher fan it drives me insane when the show runners scream sexism when people have criticized the show!!!!!! No girl! It’s just bad writing 😂
Great video! Having read all the books and played all the games the major thing I noticed is of how much I don't recognize myself in Netflixs Witcher universe. Feels like the core or soul of what makes the movies AND the games so great isn't there. Have not seen the whole season 3, nor will I, and I definitely don't intend to watch season 4!
Given that i would have to pay Netflix for butchered Witcher anyway to watch, money would do better job left here. Thank you for EXHAUSTIVE deep dive from actual fan's perspective. Wondering on your perspective on Michał Szczerbic's Wiedźmin because this one i've actually enjoyed and would give a chair without right to appeal to one who decided to discontinue series :C
Thank you for the donation. I watched Szczerbiec’s Wiedzmin when I was younger and parts of it in school. To be honest I don’t think I remember enough to give my full thoughts. I remember it having more personality, the ummm dragon and how beautiful it was 😉, and the parts with Nenneke stood out to me. I don’t want to give a full opinion before rewatching it tho now that I’m older. Thank u for watching!
Honestly, they should just make a Witcher animated TV show that covers all the books. Give it to a competent studio and pray. Hell, give it to a Japanese studio. Look at what studio Trigger did with Cyberpunk Edgerunners.
I see your point, but at this point I don’t think it would be possible for an animated version to exist without the tampering of Netflix’s “vision”… again let me point u to the Vesimir anime (which is fine/mid as a separate story but it’s not exactly an adaptation of the source material) I’m curious what they’ll do with Sirens of the Deep…
@@valliyarnl Yes, the biggest problem now is that the Witcher is in Netflix's slimey hands for I don't know how long. I wonder how long they have the license. The best thing would probably to give the Witcher to a European animation studio. Maybe even a good Polish one who would actually respect the source material. I am so tired of how similar a lot of Western animation is nowdays. Like how they made the Vesemir TV show look like Castlevania. I feel like European animation is really underated. I also remember that a RUclips channel called the Grissini Project did a cover of the song Lullaby of Woe from the Witcher 3 and also a the music video they did for it came closer to the feel of the Witcher series than Netflix ever could imagine.
YES!!! as a gay man Dandelion being gay/bi in the show was so... icky for me. As you said, there is a uncomfortable association with him being more feminine, dandy and you know sleeping around and making him gay or bi.
soooo many of my friends are peer pressuring me into picking up Deadhouse Gates rn haha. Have they sent you? in all seriousness, i have to wait until I get back to Ireland so I can buy a physical copy (i think they're gonna be better for me when it comes to this series)
To the Ciri´s age argument, kirsten dunst was 10 when she played Claudia in the Enterview with the Vampire movie adaptation and she matched Lestats portrait by Tom Cruise, and they both blew Brat Pitt out of the watter even when Louis was very well acted. Natalie Portman was 12 in Leon the Professional, people hate that movie now because obvious reasons but still her actin was amazing. There is a world where they could get a great actress to portrait a very young Ciri
@@valliyarnl I know that feeling I was doing work in Unity for about 3 hours and my PC crashed without saving my project same thing also happened while doing a F1 video I think it's a sign I need a new PC
I love your videos on the Witcher and how they incorporate the books, games, and other adaptions (even if i dont like those adaptations - looking at you Netflix!). I hope you make more Witcher videos. It could be really interesting to hear you talk about the female characters in the books in particular, maybe looking at how they are represented by a male author. I cant wait to reread these books because of you! I'm English but visisted Poland with my Polish partner a few weeks ago and loved it! I also picked up a Polish copy of The Last Wish! 😅 I just needed to have one of the books in its original language!!! Anyway, thanks for these vids and i hope you make more in the future 😊
Another one for me I recently noticed is that in the series, Ciri is there in the castle of Nivellen, while in the books Geralt doesn't even know ciri yet.
so this i don't consider a crime. it's a change from the books but it is one i would've been fine with. i was excited to find out that A Grain of Truth (that short story) would be adapted and I don't think it was one they should've squeezed into season 1 (if they stayed with the 8 episodes they had). What annoyed me with that episode is how trivially they treated the central conflict :/
Showrunners screwed up almost every aspect of the book. I don't know how is this possible when you adapt something? Lauren Schmidt Hissrich & her writer crew are the one of the most untalented people on the planet Earth.
Oof. Tbh I’d love to see an interview with her a few years from now where she honestly goes over what her vision was because (no bad intentions) I’m genuinely curious. I don’t think people come into a project as big as this thinking “let’s screw it up”. So yeah I really hope that in a few years we’ll get some answers of what went wrong
@@valliyarnl I would agree, to some degree, that they didn't went atencionaly “let’s screw it up” but with their own lack of talent we get this Netflix Witcher. But If we are totaly honest here one (Beau DeMayo) writer from the crew did say that some writers on this show openly mock and didn't like the source material. Only true fan on this show was Henry Cavill, and even he couldn't watch this. And cudos to him that he could lasted so long. I would go after first season, If I would be him. So I stand behind my statement. For people in charge everything else was more important than the love and respect of the source material and it shows on the final product, big time.
That's why they were hired by Netflix. Odd as it may seem at first but Netflix's goal ISN'T to make outstanding quality series. It's actually against their business model!
Another crime against The Witcher: Everything regarding Nilfgaard. The fact that ignores all the subtle political moves before and after the war, and how different NIlfgaard is, in contrast with the Northern Kingdoms. Bonus unpopular opinion: Sorry people, but the games aren't canon.
Agreed! And yeah, the games aren’t officially cannon… BUT imo they’re a rlly good continuation of the story and I think they increase my enjoyment of some of the original books so in my head cannon they are 😊 (But again it’s not like they did everything perfectly)
@@valliyarnl Oh I agree, don't get me wrong, the games are a really really good (and expensive) work of fanfiction. I said that bc Sapkowski himself said that he maybe wanted to continue the story in more books, and when people asked if he was going to respect the story from the games, he said (of course): "no". And those people lost their minds. My opinon is that the author is the ultimate authority, that's why is called an "author". Sorry for the long text. I really like your channel, you're very insightful. You have gained another subscriber. Keep up the good work 👍
I just stumbled upon this video and I LOVE it Such a nice mix of a rambly and chattery atmosphere Also love your facial expression, literally lol ed at so much of them
Never forget: the Netflix head of casting hired Anya Chalotra to ‘subvert beauty standards’ which to me is insanity considering Chalotra is clearly a gorgeous woman hired to play a gorgeous woman, and I don’t get what they were going for in that comment 😳
Great video! I only read one of the books so I was not aware of just HOW MUCH they actually changed (for the worrse).😭Man who on earth gave this show into the hands of the writers.
I’m really glad you touched on the casting choices but was disappointed that you didn’t go hard enough. You seemed to avoid anything politically controversial, when you’re not at fault for making it so. The casting director & anyone else within that Hollywood bubble has admitted that DEI is the priority. The reason it looks un-Slavic, is because it’s a Medieval Fantasy show inspired by contemporary Eastern, Northern, and Western Europe; yet it looks more diverse than present day London, LA, or NYC. These people will inject politics into the things we love & ram it down your throat & call you every -ist & -phobe under the sun when you even slightly disagree. Another example being that Yennefer getting everyone else’s achievements is to push her as the girlboss character. This is their explicit goal. Demoralise & dissuade you from even referencing the political nature, let alone criticising it. They’ve cowed you into submission and it’s sad to see. These are the exact people we should gatekeep against. Their writing skill is terrible and their political ideology is downright malicious in its goals & implementation. I really enjoyed this video and your commentary. Just wish you weren’t scared to confront the elephant in the room.
People’s skin color and physical features don’t matter much in a fantastical world unless otherwise emphasized (I.e. got Targaryen white hair, Witcher elf ears, elder scrolls elf races (dark, high, etc). Casting poc actors doesn’t make a show inspired by Slavic and yes other cultures (not just European…) not Slavic. It feels Slavic when you weave in cultural elements and themes and designs. I promise you that casting only white people will not make this show better.
I came back to this video and had completly forgotten about the framing device of sentencing. I only listened to the audio so at 7:40 I burst out laughing because it sounded so harsh and deadpan at the same time.
Geralt in the books:
Superhuman Socrates with a sword
Geralt in the show:
💪😐 mm
hahaha you nailed it
And on top of that Geralt was the best of this garbage
"Mm... Fuck."
"Superhuman Socrates with a sword" is the best description I've heard and will certainly use it in the future.
cavill played the 3rd game without knowing about the existence of the books, he based his performance on the game
Netflix Writer: Look at all this amazing lore and material for me to ignore!
😭😭😭
"I have an idea, let's make Eskal INTO wait for it TREE.... MONSTER....THEN Geraldine kills him."
"Did you say Geraldine?"
"Eh. I never read the books or played the game."
it wouldn't be so bad if they just ignored it. It's worse than that. Distorted for no logical reason. In fact, it only makes sense if the writers have a vendetta against the source
@@danzai Same sentiment for that amazon Halo series.
The only reason you would race swap Captain Keyes, is to divide fans. If they needed a black character so bad, Sgt Johnson was a *fantastic* universally beloved Halo character.
It makes no sense to reinvent Captain Keyes, then kill him off on Reach before the events of the first Halo ring where he played an important role.
Mainstream entertainment seems to purposely hire the worst writers, it can't be an accident that virtually everything that gets made is unfaithful, even disrespectful, to the source material. These writers seem to despise the source material and hate the fans.
That's okay, they need my money, I don't need their show.
Unfortunately a bar
I feel like Netflix's Witcher is the best example of a fantasy adaptation gone wrong. Writers that openly mock and hate the source material, actors who don't understand the roles they play (except Cavill), and managers who have no passion for the project. It also tries to chase the high of GoT. GoT is dark and gritty. Witcher is dark and gritty. But Witcher does not equal GoT. So not only does the Netflix series completely disrespect the source material, it also disrespects what makes the fantasy genre so good by thinking that every fantasy adaptation has to be the next Game of Thrones.
Totally!
i agree but with the exception of joe batey, i personally love his jaskier/dandelion. did great making him not just a playboy but keeping him complex and while a bit playboyish, mostly just cant help falling in love a tiny bit with everyone he meets. not just sexually attracted to all of his flings but undeniably romantically attracted to them and caring
@@mintymelancholy Nah, he was terrible.
@@i.cs.z 🤷♂️😅 agree to disagree ig lol i loved his rendition
@@mintymelancholy Sorry but, what's there to like? They completly removed every peronality trait he had in the books, the actor had 0 things to work with, how can that be a good rendition?
The worst thing about this is that the intellectual property is now "tainted" by the incoherent schlopp that Netflix delivered. It's gonna be years and decades until another production company even touches this with a 10 foot pole, if ever.
Could Witcher 4 revive interest for the universe from production companies?
The Netflix show really screwed up the image & idea of Witcher for non-fan audience
@@redblade7029 It could if the Witcher 4 would still be centered on Geralt's story but because his story is finished, the fandom worries about the game 4 too.
@@clawwestfall8799 true... :/
IF there is another production company, I might be misremembering how author sold the witcher tv media related rights to netflix only. So its probably stuck with them
@redblade7029 if you look at whats going on with political agendas inside cs Projekt ATM, then I'd say witcher 4 is more likely to make things even worse
Only smart writers can write smart characters. Netflix Dijkstra never stood a chance.
true that Dijkstra never stood a chance, but he would've been hard to get right in any situation to be fair
@@valliyarnland the actor is fantastic. At least they got a quality actor for the role.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 He is definitely a highlight of the show. Literally the only problem with him in the role is that he is too handsome in my opinion.
I thought Dijkstra was one of the better parts of the show
@@julian7247 That's because Graham Mactavish is amazing, not because the writing.
I can never forgive them for what they did to Eskel....
i get flashbacks whenever i look at a tree
That was so dumb. They made me hate the show (like completely give up and stop watching). They killed him off for no reason and made me like Treebeard less 🤣.
They even created new witcher for this show. Ignoring how stupid that whole leshen thing was, why did it happen to Eskel and not one of the new witchers?
That’s what I said!! Incomprehensible writing choices all over the place. Baffling.
I stopped watching after they did that
The golden dragon! The damn golden dragon supposed to be beautiful. But in the show.... (Internal cry)
100% ... and the fact that it isn't even a dragon in the show but a wyvern smh
@@valliyarnl Personally waiting for Ciri fighting with skates over frozen Lake. The show better not miss out that legendary fight.
@@fearlessromeo4293 that scene is one of the best things I’ve ever read.
@@fearlessromeo4293 Tbf, rather not see it at all and wait for someone to actually do a great adaptation in like... 10 to 20 years? Ffs. :D ... But yeah, what a scene!
What do you have against giant chickens!? 😂
🔥CRIME #1: it exists 🔥
to be honest... yeah. i think it did more damage than good :(
@@valliyarnl yea, if I was in the place of someone who didn't know the series beforehand and watched this boring mess with bad writing I'd be pretty confused as to why people like this franchise so much
it got me to read the books finally so im glad it exists
I mostly agree with these rankings, but I'll be honest, Vesemir wanting to murder Ciri for her Elder Blood in order to make more witchers should get AT LEAST life in prison, if not the death sentence. I mean come on, he's basically been a grandfather figure to Ciri (so he shouldn't even THINK about wanting to kill her), a father figure to Geralt (so he shouldn't even THINK about wanting to kill his adoptive daughter), and a father figure to the other witchers (who also started caring a lot about Ciri as they trained and even kind of helped raise her, and who, especially Lambert, didn't seem really keen to be witchers nor to make more witchers, so they too would be opposed to the idea), so there's no way this shit would ever happen, not in the books and certainly not in the games!
And also, correct me if I am wrong, I also don't think he ever even mentioned wanting the witchers to be in higher numbers, therefore where does the wish of making more witchers even come from? I've re-read the books at the beginning of this year and I can't for the life of me figure out when Vesemir even mentioned wishing for there to be more witchers.
Honestly, I kind of liked the first season, but after the whole fiasco with Vesemir wanting Ciri's blood and Yennefer losing her powers, I just couldn't watch the show anymore. I think it's ok, or maybe even good for someone who has never read the books or played the games, but as a fan of both the books and the games, the show is utter garbage and I hate Netflix for it. And I'm saying this as a person who kind of rocks the "I don't give a shit" attitude, so watching myself be so pissed of about something like this says something, lol.
you know what? fair enough. I wanted to get some sort of death sentence and the fact that Vesemir disappears after book 1 made me rank it lower. but yeah. super super disappointing. and i feel you rage, trust me.
Was Vesemir against making new Witchers or was it only the smashed instruments and killed mages prevented the mutation rituals after the Raid on Kaer Morhen?
my god just reading this makes me happy I only watched the first season
@@svenr.3803 I believe to remember from the games Vesemir hated that the children suffered and died. I may be imagining it, but I want to believe to remember he was glad the School of the Wolf was coming to an end because no more children were to be put through the trials.
I think all of you miss the point that even before Vesemir becomes like a grandfather to Ciri, forms familial bonds with her, he still wouldn't sacrifice a random child to make more witchers. That's the biggest problem here - the "uncle Vesemir" argument can potentially be countered by "well, he's not reached that point in his arc yet". But "Vesemir sacrifices a child's life to make mutagens" simply doesn't fit his character period.
It's so crazy that the entire witcher tv series seems like it is made by people who had a deadline for a story and they just decided to ask the worst ai to summarise the books, which it did by making up random bullshit, and they submitted it.
and it broke my heart
@@valliyarnl honestly, such a shame. I wish we could experience the show that the books deserved.
even chatGPT would have made a better script
@@wiedzx to be fair, a lot of how Netflix operates has become public knowledge with time and thus we're aware of the fact that the way they try to keep the budgets balanced is saving money on everything not *visible* in their shows. Writers being one of such invisible assets
it felt more like it was made by people who did not understand or like the book series, i'd go as far as to say that they have a great deal of contempt for it.
The best characterization of Witcher TV adaptation by Netflix is something that I heard from one fiction writer: "They removed the heart with surgical precision from every single Witcher story and plotline and then violently shoved this heart into the story ass".
For me the worst crime the show committed was revealing Emhyr Var Emreis as Ciri’s father so early. That was a huge reveal in the final book.
Also they had no right to make him THAT hot
Hells, I would go with him if he was my dad
@@Keram-io8hv Didnt he want to have sex/have a child with Ciri to produce the next child of destiny or something tho? would you 'go with him' still?
@@chromesucks5299 Yep, because he is hotter than all the witches in the show
@@Keram-io8hvYou need Jesus, therapy AND to touch grass 💀
@@ZerrikanianWiedzimin Jezus is lame, therapy is only for those who need it and grass is literally everywhere
One detail that stuck out to me in particular was driads using crossbows in the show. A crossbow is not elegant it takes longer to draw and perhaps most importantly is much harder to produce, requiring a trigger mechanism while a driads primitive bow would be a string on a stick.
Driads, beings who shape trees into being their homes, wear virtually no clothing and live harmoniously with the land would NEVER go through the trouble of making crossbows. Never.
Good catch!
their nudism thing is from the games, not the books, but yeah they're primitivists, and crossbows are mechanical. they would not use them
Yen trying to kill Ciri made me SO angry. The show was completely irredeemable at that point.
This is when I turned it off and never returned. It was already so hard to watch and that easily pushed it over the edge
They stripped away the Slavic and Americanized it while saying they're being faithful to the source material. Straight to jail.
Ok, so whilst I agree that them Americanizing it and the forced diversity, the poor casting etc were all bad things. Whenever I see someone talk about how the Witcher is "Slavic" I'm reminded of the fact that when someone said that to the writer he actually got upset and said he was inspired by countless cultures and not just slavic ones. I mean Jinn aren't really Slavic. Neither are names like Dijkstra etc
did the same with god of war supposed to be scandinavian myhtlogy but all of sudden we see scandinavian charcaters looking like they they are spanish or north african
@@3choblast3r4to be fair to him, the last book is very blatantly based on English legends
Witcher books have nothing to do with abundance of slavic culture. If anything, the first few draw inspiration from english legends, post-roman Britain.
@@3choblast3r4 I agree with you except for the "forced" diversity. Who is being forced to do anything?
Dijsktra is kinda dumb in Witcher 3 too, especially at the end. His desicion to force Geralt to choose between him and Roshe was really stupid.
I gaslight myself daily that Reason of State doesn’t exist
Honestly in Witcher 3 they butchered the entire character of Radovid too. Radovid the Madman is nothing like the ruthless but intelligent and at times quite sympathetic Radovid from Witcher 1 and 2. It feels like the entire "political" side of Witcher 3 was severely undercooked or cut, and scewed in Nilfgaard's favour in order to do the "Empress Ciri" ending
@@Radonatorr It was screwed due to time, there was a lot of cut content on the political side, given how complex Witcher 2 was.
They already delayed the game twice, they had no time or money so some stuff they had to just finish fast
It's cause they had deadlines so some plot lines got cut short. Dijkstra received a very short end of the stick
I hate that everytime I mention Witcher to people I meet, I have to specify and emphasize that nope, I don't mean Netflix Witcher, NO. :(
This is the worst.
"You keep saying you're a Witcher fan. Why though?! That show is just bad!" Oh, really.
"You put some video games over a TV show?!" Hell yeah, any time and every time.
"You learn Polish just to read some novels?!" Well, the translations aren't bad, but they do lose a lot. My Gran hailed from there so it shouldn't be that hard. -- It is, though. Polish is a complex language. People complain how hard it is to learn German. They have no idea. The words are easy enough, but all that nuance! I'll never make it… :(
@Olfan I just got off work and was sleepy and almost thought you were against me 😂 BUT YES I FEEL YOU SO MUCH :( because I'm also learning Polish just for all the Witcher novels I bought last year, simply because the covers are so much prettier than the English versions (and without that Netflix logo!!) T.T
Polish is fun to study but you're right, it's really difficult. And we might not make it but I don't wanna give up 🥲 I've already ordered the new book and I'm hoping that will motivate me since we won't know when the English translation will come 😂😭
Oh, I'm sorry, that wasn't my intention. The first sentence was meant to show how much I feel the situation you described, not to judge it. Glad you read on and we could connect.
@@Olfan No worries mate, I'm glad I reread your message! I was happy to connect with a fellow Witcher fan since I'm more active on IG than RUclips. Cheers :D
I remember liking the first season of the show when I watched it without knowing anything, but after reading the first two books I was like what happened.
Welcome to the fandom 🫡
Same
Another small but huge change in the show that showed me the writers don't understand the characters, and why I hated this show from the beginning (I know people love season 1 I hated it) is in The Last Wish episode. In the books Yen thinks Dandelion is the one making the wishes which is why after she hypnotises Geralt to punish the people who insulted her, she teleports Dandelion to the courthouse to make a wish that what Geralt did (because she made him do it) would be forgotten by everyone so he is not punished or killed because of her (obviously it doesn't work because Geralt is the one with the wishes but she doesn't know it yet). Yet in the show Yen just does NOT care what happens to Geralt as a result of what she made him do and just threatens Dandelion to make a wish with a knife to his throat, which just makes her an evil selfish person where as in the books she DID care enough to not let him be punished because of what she made him do. It's a tiny detail but important imo exactly because of the implication that the show Yen did not care if Geralt would have been killed because of her.
I loved in one xLetalis video how he compared the Netflix Eyck vs how CDPR made him in Witcher Tales: Thronebreaker which if you haven't played i HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend it is unbelievably good and criminally underrated.
Also that is not the "Polish" eagle. I don't know what "Polish" is you made that up, that is in fact the REDANIAN eagle thank you very much
Are there people who love the first season? I 'm out after the first season because they implemented The Last Wish so poorly. "Who is Yennefer?"
really??????
@@OonalovesAstarionssimpleplan Tons of people you'd be surprised. People loved it for some reason. It was better than the other seasons for sure but it wasn't good. Also Cavil is severely overrated just because he's a Witcher fan people worship him (Which I understand I really do appreciate him ALOT more than the others working on this show for how much he loves and respects the games and books but we can't look at his performance through these goggles of "he is one of us") , his Geralt wasn't good and not just because of the writing he is just not a good match for him imo especially the Witcher 3 version but they were adapting the books not the games so that's not something i would have held against him.
@@yairsofer8933 they also ruined the first wish. best joke in all of fiction and they fucked it up to replace it with a stupid 'oh no geralt feels bad for accidentally hurting dandelion' plot point
@@yairsofer8933 and yeah in the books yen is so overconfident in her ability to control outcomes that she gets people hurt. she's reckless and selfish, but not uncaring. in the show they just made her evil.
I would also count as a crime how Netflix writers tried to casually ride their favourite horses, like racism, strong women characters, and stuff, while completely ignoring the fact that Sapkowski's books already had those topics covered well ahead of the time on a completely different level of quality. I mean, it was always there, just go by the book, don't invent stuff you can't do properly.
You see, the problem with the original's coverage of those topics was that it was well written. Can't have that. Making people better understand societal problems by making them feel for well written characters facing those problems is right wing and problematic, especially when written by old white man. What does some dude, who lived under communism, know about oppression?
@@UsmevavyPanacek gotta admit, this does sound about how that train of thought has crashed.
@@UsmevavyPanacek Exactly, nobody on Earth understands REAL oppression more than upper-middle class white women!
I don’t have much to add here, but I’ll write a reply so I can return to this comment
Agreed, there are so many badass and super intelligent woman in the books. They had so much to pull from to check their boxes or whatever, it boggles my mind. Oh wait no it doesn't I forgot that none of them understood or even really read the books lol.
1)Yennefer willing to sacrifice Ciri to get her powers back…
2)Vesemir wanting to make Ciri undergo the trial of grasses,also wanting her blood for whatever…
3) Eskel becoming a tree and getting unalived 😭
4) That Avengers:Endgame wannabe battle between the mages and the Scoia tael (ONE mage should have been enough to clear out those elves, let alone a group…) and they get wiped?!
5)Geralt doesn’t play Gwent or dice poker in the show (Unforgivable)
I have a lot more beef, but I’ve run out of patience…
The highlight of the endgame battle was the hero moment of a racist man in robes calling another race mongrels before trying to kill them with fire. Bizarre shift in tone there, wasn't sure what message they were trying to send.
I know you AREN'T a Witcher account, but you're already my favorite one 😂
Binge watching all your videos. Love how much you understand and care about the Witcher. Unlike the Netflix writers.
Awwwhhh thank you 🫶🏻🫶🏻
It's like all the writers knew of Dijkstra was the end of the Reasons of State quest...
The sorceresses are taught the price of magic. Fringilla makes a stone levitate and her hand withers. The other sorceresses levitate the rocks by draining a flower of its life essence.
All this after Yennifer opened cross-continental portals with no external life force and stayed alive, instead of instantly dropping dead, as per the magic lesson.
Depicting Queen Cyrilla in 4 separate time periods as the same actress, in the same costume, with no aging or de-aging makeup, or CGI, and then having the gumption to say "sorry we didn't make it more clear".
Oh my gosh I didn’t even catch that! You’re so right about the magic system 🤦🏼♀️
I think u mean Queen Calanthe? Honestly was so disappointed by her being so boisterous and drunk in that one scene :(
@@valliyarnl yes, Calanthe, Cyrilla's grandma. Sorry.
I like Jodhi May as an actress, but having her look exactly the same as a supposed teenager, young adult, mother and grandmother was a failure of basic visual storytelling. She acted loudly and boisterously in that one scene to compensate for the fact that she looks nothing like the age she is meant to portray.
@@valliyarnl and what the heck was that stuff with catching lightning in a bottle supposed to be?
Or transforming into eels that are swept into a pool of milk?
WTF?
If they wanted to deviate from Sapkowsky's magic systemy they could have, but that would require writing skill.
For instance, if they wanted all magic to be paid for in life force, or whatever, they could have added a concept of the very first spell the mage spontaneously casts upon coming into their power to be a "freebie" for them. This would also explain why Yenniffer was so important, she can open portals anywhere without breaking a sweat.
Of course, this would also require all other mages to be depicted having to prepare for an extended time gathering the energy needed to make a portal.
There's also the matter of scale. Levitate a rock, your hand withers. Incinerate an army, you get difficulty with your sight for a short time. The show utterly failed to even hint at any progression of skill among the spellcasters.
@@ticijevishI really wanted her to cover this. I never watched passed season 1 because the magic system sucked so bad.
After I saw the Eskel Tree episode I was left in such disbelief that I sat in silence for like 10 minutes pondering life 😂. I finished season 2 because I hate not finishing things, but I never even took a look at season 3. Screw that. How you could screw up a Witcher TV show when you have so much to work with is crazy.
I am astounded by their talent to screw something with so much potential up. 💔
This moment was a stop for me. The show was dead to me.
@@Kintabl Yes, when I saw that I was like what the fuck? I asked myself if I heard it right and that that asshole is Eskel. I immediately thought about the mission with the goat and was like: "How dare you?"
@@nikjovan4816 I Don't even know why they did this? To angry the fans? Yeah, great job writers!
How could you screw up? Simple, Lauren Hissrich only has experience writing series' driven by drama between characters, and the writers themselves admitted to hate the source material.
Back when I first read the series a few years ago (minus the final book unfortunately, I think I need to read the series once again from 0), I really appreciated how not only relations between the characters are nuanced and organic, but the relations between kingdoms and races are too. Hell, even Geralt is exposed to act like a petulant kid in one of the earlier campfire conversations by being insistent on doing everything himself and bearing the weight of the journey only on his shoulders, and is called out by none other than Jaskier and the rest of the group for pushing away any kind of help (I might be getting the details wrong, it's been a while, but that one part of the book really stuck with me for personal reasons). And while the stance of Jaskier, Milva and Cahir was understandable and I think right, you really emphatised with Geralt and understood where he's coming from too.
All that nuance is missing from the adaptation, and instead of shades of grey like in the real world, you are only presented black and white. In my opinion, they missed one of the key points of the saga - that evil isn't created in a vacuum, it's the result of everything that happened before, and sometimes even good people can commit evil by being misled, mistreated, or failing to reflect on their urges or actions. And meanwhile in the Netflix series, there's only good and bad. You are supposed to like the good and hate the bad. That's it.
And I could say more. I hate the Netflix series with passion not even because how far it strayed from the original series and how it character assasinated almost the entire Witcher cast, but because now we have to wait for this slop to finish, and then wait another 5-10 or more years for somebody to take over the IP rights to give the series the adaptation it deserves 😒
The way that the other Witchers were portrayed in “Kaer Morhen” was just jarring. They pretty much turned the place into a brothel lol
Ya pretty much the WHOLE way they touched all the witchers, even Garalt, was crazy. That being said, how they handled Vesimir and Eskel, unforgiveable! I mean they made Vesimir into a selfish little weakling that is unable to figure stuff out, reach accordingly, or be badass in anyway! SMH.
On the point of Wyverns vs. Dragons: I normally don't have an issue with the terms each universe uses as long as they're consistent.
In The Elder Scrolls, dragons have 2 legs and 2 wings, and it's okay because there are no wyverns in that universe, nor dragons with 4 legs and 2 wings. Same with A Song of Ice and Fire. But in The Witcher, wyverns and dragons both exist and are entirely different things, to the point where Geralt refuses to kill dragons because they are intelligent.
same thoughts!
There are actually wyverns in the world of A Song of Ice and Fire. They are common in Sothoryos, a region south of the continent of Essos. They have two legs and two wings, they don't breathe fire. Both the region where they are common and wyverns themselves are sparingly mentioned in the main book series but to name a few, some of the gargoyles of Dragonstone depict wyverns, it is the coat of arms of a lesser noble house in the Reach, sworn to house Tyrell, and one of the main books Tyrion lists for information on dragons is about dragons, wyrms, and wyverns.
A fan theory is that dragons might actually have been *created* by the Valyrians from wyverns through fire and blood magic. The next book, if it ever comes out, is supposed to shed light specifically on the origins of dragons and their connection to humans.
@@Jebusthlord That's interesting, never heard of them! Also, pretty curious how the only distinction seems to be the ability to breathe fire, since dragons are also always said to have two wings and to legs (like the Targaryen crest).
@@KingDodango Yes, they are very similar in this world. Wyverns are smaller, more aggressive, at least some hunt in packs (of 100+), and, ofc, they can't breathe fire. Hence why some fans hypothesize Valyrians created dragons from wyverns through magic. There is, so far, no lore evidence to support this aside their similarities, however.
There are numerous comments from GRRM over the years where he was asked why his dragons had 4 limbs, not 6 and his answers basically boil down to:
He's always disliked 6 limbed dragons even if that's their common depiction in heraldry and fantasy. His favorite dragon is Vermithrax Pejorative from Dragonslayer which also only has 4 limbs.
@@Jebusthlord I have read about GRRM's logic behind it. I believe he said somewhere that he thinks it makes no evolutionary sense since there are no real 6-limb vertebrates, or something along those lines.
Netflix was given a home run GOT level success! They had An amazing lead actor who loves the source material. They had a beloved franchise with deep lore and blew it terribly
the fact that they didnt include ciri and geralt meeting in brokilon is instant death sentence imo, that short story is so endearing
Yeah I was hoping you'd mention the ballsack armor. After playing 3, it hurt to see. It was so wrinkly. So wrinkly.
Traumatising
It’s so funny to turn it on while playing w3 tho, completely clashes with absolutely everything else
the joke is that they didn't use the game designs for license reasons but then put the ballsack armor into witcher 3 next gen ...
The show shoved Dijkstra aside. Forcefully.
🤣
They messed up too many things to count. But by far the stupidest thing they did was to make Yen to sell out Ciri. That was it for me. There is absolutely no going back from there.
This series is so easy to adapt, I have no idea how they messed it up
Just do what dozens of other shows like Buffy, Supernatural, X-Fikes, etc have done and just have the first two seasons be a Monster of the week type show that builds up the world, then adapt the saga in later seasons. They could’ve even been creative and added some of their own stories to introduce important charterers and further tie into the overall narrative
totally
Exactly!! An X-files type concept would have worked perfectly!!
That's actually what you get from the game if you only play the witcher contracts!
Ohh, I hated the KM/brothel scenes so bloody much. And how much they've butchered the witchers in general. The actors woulda been fine, tho.
agreed!
I guess girls used fast travel
@@Keram-io8hveveryone uses fast travel in that goddamned show. People go from Kaer Morhen to Oxenfurt then to Cintra and then back to Kaer Morhen in what feels like only a few hours, like literally overnight. They really don't know how to portray a realistic sense of world scale, you'd think all those places are located in the same neighborhood or something when they're very fucking far apart.
the Vesemir thing belongs into Death Sentence for me. Iirc Vesemir in the books was completely against the idea of creating new witchers, and Triss actually suggested to help him but he was firmly against it and wanted that knowledge gone for good. In the show they just turned that around 180 and it was one of the things I hated the most (only overshadowed by Yen trying to sacrifice Ciri)
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Agreed. The idea that Witchers were needed after the Conjunction, but now the worst of the monsters are going extinct to the point Witchers aren’t needed anymore and new ones aren’t being created, is such a core part of the tone of the books. It doesn’t just ruin Vesemir’s character. It messes with the entire world setting and themes.
@@nicholasrage1640 True, I almost forgot about the portals bringing in hundreds of monsters, thanks for reminding me of more things I hated about the show xD
Ugh the scene where they literally rip out Yen's uterus rather than the magic affecting her fertility. What the hell. How would Geralt have been born at all if his mom went through the same procedure.
it's all just pushing Agenda. Can't have a caring male father figure in a TV show. That's why they turned smart handsome Foltest the only one believing his daughter can still be cured, into a drunk disgusting bumbling idiot that has to take instructions from Triss all the time.
🌼I honestly didn’t mind that they made Dandelion a bit more open to sleeping with both genders, that made sense to me, as an eccentric bard who sleeps around and very often writes songs about lovemaking and some less tasteful subjects to others, I felt like he is kinda open to new ideas n stuff
One thing it really bothered me that you didn´t mention is the Duny - Enhyr revelation so early in the saga. For me this was such a shock when it was revealed in the books, and in the show they just threw it in there early for the shock value... but so many things that needed to happen before you needed to find out of this!
I was using the crimes people submitted but yes!! Totally agree!
I now truly understand the meaning of the "The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference". Witcher from Netflix is so bad, it made me re-evaluate my attitude towards its franchise as a whole. I don't think I would care if HBO would somehow secure rights for the adaptation and make it work. The whole thing is now sour, lame and retroactively ruined.
Great video, keep up the good work.
Cathartic to listen to this 😌 i think it could have been so cool to use The Voice of Reason as an opening 2-3 minutes of each episode in season 1. Like you said, to ground each episode and the timeline, and a super easy way to familiarize viewers with exposition dump in a lore accurate way. But, seeing as it wasn’t nearly as offensive as season 2 I guess it doesn’t matter. Rip.
I still love you Henry.
yeah in comparison to s2, s1 is a masterpiece...
You were on point on everything. If they came in my country (just book a flight for some scenographer) they could travel in 2 days north to south and see every different landscape, from small desert to plains, forests and mountains, or any eastern country in Europe. Character design they could just google them, they could also find exact description of scenes just by googling them, for example Dryads of Brokilon forest, or "what kind of weapons Dryads use"....but nooooo agenda is more important and THE MESSAGE. Could also easily connect the show to the games and just continue the story, but noooo it is so difficult to use google, download pdf book, they literally had script laid down for them and use creative freedom to IMPROVE (the key word) upon books. Sad times that i will not live up to see proper witcher show made 😔😔🤦♂🤦♂
The lack of the Geralt/Dandelion friendship in the show made the show unwatchable to me. I can’t believe they thought that changing that relationship was a good idea.
i yelled at the tv when geralt punched dandelion. even though they'd just met, it's way out of character to punch a harmless buttmonkey like dandelion just for saying something insensitive
It's flabbergasting how unpolitical they tried to Make Geralt, but I distinctly remember from the books that Geralt was frequently critical of the world and society they lived. He wasn't some simpleton. But I felt like Netflix Geralt was only rolling his eyes and growling at everything rather than vocally critical or disdainful of people or politics. Just feels like the character is neutered. Yet I actually believe Cavill has the acting chops to pull off the intellectual Geralt... So I blame that on the writers as well, again, not keeping true to the source material they apparently hated.
I don't know, feels like too much was deliberately cut out.
And I just got to the Point of the video where you talked about exactly what I said above and now I feel like an idiot for bothering to comment before finishing the actual video, which I normally don't do for this reason, so I guess that reinforces why I don't do that.
Also yes, I didn't enjoy the direction they went with Dandillion. Not because of they made him gay, who cares?
But because Geralt and him aren't really friends in the show. Feels, like you said, more like an annoying fanboy
It's sad when companies are more worried about checking boxes than telling a good story. And ignoring or changing the core lore is shameful. (see Star Wars, LOTR, Witcher and on and on)
I am currently reading the Witcher series for the first time and loving it so far. I’m glad I avoided the show.
So glad you’re enjoying it!! 🥹
(Remember book 1 is the Last Wish)
Now we need 'The crimes of Amazon prime's wheel of time'.
Oof I’m not as deep in the lore for that one. I also don’t think the crimes were as outrageous as the ones for the Witcher but who know? If I choose to do it I’ll send out a poll on instagram**
The crimes are superior sadly…..
The series was great until about about book 8. You can forgive a lot.
The show? At least some of the characters were good …. Like Morraine.
The general casting otherwise …. I dare not say anything that would be construed as a hate crime, but they have destroyed my childhood almost as much as Disney with Star Wars.
And I like the actress that did Yen despite the majority vote.
They should have perhaps gone the anime route.
Yeah i dont understand why they dont go the anime route for such a big world, you need a shit ton of money to actually make a good show if its not animated in the case of WoT@@Anotherperson81
@@Anotherperson81there is a short dip for a book or 3 but the quality goes right back up at book 9 imo. Those last 4 are the best WoT books.
But yeah the crimes are pretty severe there, the fact that the main character is just robbed of any cool moment he might have had, the fact that they break the very defined magic system in very serious ways....
And Rings of Power
I love books and I love the witcher. I'm so glad I found this channel.
glad you're here
You have mentioned Ciri being way too competent (big agree), but I´d like to raise a point of Geralt also being way too competent (and calculated) in some situations. Haven´t seen this trashfire of a show in a while, but I remember how they absolutely botched my beloved A Grain of Truth story. In that one (and many more), huge charm of the books is that Geralt is an exceptionally observant monster hunter yes, but he´s also just some guy sometimes and does not 100% of the time get things right. You as the reader unravel the mystery with him and watch him deal with situations in which he screwed up and it nearly cost him his life. Netflix Geralt feels like he could diagnose any type of cancer from licking a footprint. I don´t really get it 🤷♂
+ to expand on this, Netflix decided to cater to 3 year olds, I guess?? I cannot fathom otherwise why would everything need to be spelled out at all times. They are dropping all of these backstories and sad things, fishing for sympathy points for characters they changed to be completely unlikable, and it comes off as incredibly tone deaf in the moment and comical (I believe they did this to Cahir, who is also my beloved blorbo and they deserve the electric chair for what they did to him). In the books there are so many wonderful metaphors, dilemmas, slow unravels of the tragedies many characters go and went through, sometimes not even ever said out loud and Netflix just completely stripped it bare and expects the same emotional impact, absolute joke.
Anyway sorry this is long, love the video!
Rule 1 of the Witcher TV show: Male Character = Stupid and Dumb. Female Character = Unstoppable Girl Boss
You raised so many good points in this video!
Though I disagree with the Vesemir placement because they massacred his character so much. In the original story he's so kind, caring and would never ever hurt innocents while they made him a grumpy old man who is completely unlikable in the show. That's a death sentence from me.
Also: I too hate it when Dragons are depicted as Wyverns.
Dijkstra's casting bothers me more than anyone because his appearance is such an important part of his character. He's supposed to be a massive brute with an unflattering pig-like appearance. He looks like the least intelligent person you've ever seen and yet he's a political manipulative genius.
The guy they cast for the show looks like the stereotypical walmart version of the guy you would choose for that role. It completely removes that unique aspect from his character.
Okay I get what you’re coming at but don’t diss Graham McTavish like that, he’s genuinely brilliant and his casting was not the fault
God i loved your channel so much!!! And yess!! I totally agree. I started reading witcher this year and im totally invested. I sure miss someone to talk about it, since none of my friends like the witcher stories. Im so glad I found your content!!!
The most painful pronunciation to me is Cahir. His names are all very Irish/Welsh/Celtic. The Irish town Cahir is close to where I spent every summer as a child. It's closer to Care
Seeing how well, and how poised Yennefers VA played Dedra in Andor, I would have KILLED to see her as Yennefer in the tv show
Them trying to make Yen and Vesemir hurt Ciri is the dumbest shyte I have EVER seen! I was infuriated! They ruined the found family trope that I loved about these books. Absolutely desgustang!
It so refreshing to see someone that actually knows what they are talking about when it comes to the witcher, it honestly felt like the writers of this series went out of their way to annoy the fans of the books, theres not quite getting something right when adapting and then theres just balatantly not caring about how their decisions effect the story, it really felt like they just wanted the names of the characters and not the characters themselves, the one that finally got me to stop watching was emyhr shouting to his army to go get his daughter, making the whole war that kicks everything off completely pointless and ruining the oh shit reveal near the end
I like the passion, always fun to find more people who are passionate about these characters like me.
You sure get it. I find myself agreeing with pretty much everything you said (well, almost). Here is how I would do the show, if I had the money / were the showrunner: Do Seaons of Storms and all the short stories, then tease Ciri at the end of season 1. If season 1 is successful, convince the studio to let us film the next seasons back to back, so that Ciri ages gradually WITH the story at the right pace. Hard sell? Yes. Impossible? Not if season 1 was a hit.
I will write it before watching the video, the totally destroyed Cahir´s portrayal
In the third book he was this brooding presence, Ciri´s nightmare and more nightmare than man
In the fourth book we finally saw who he truly was, just a young men following orders
And then in next books he became my favourite character
Unlike the show where he was psychopath and later knelt while saying "Pls kill me"
spoiler for the video but Cahir is one of my personal favorites and what they did with his character shattered my heart
What I really hate about the show is what they did to Yennefer making her betray Geralt and Ciri for power then Yen creating and being the leader of the Lodge of sorceresses when in the books Yen hates the Lodge she joins them for 5 mins then quits immediately lol
i discovered your channel with your witcher videos , and i really think you're doing a great job talking about this franchise in a unique way and i'd love to see more 👏👏👍
Thank you!
Watching this is really reminding me of how much confused squinting i did while watching the series
The Netflix Witcher suffers from the same disease that other current adaptations suffer from which is bad writing and massive egos and self-inserts they don't respect the original source and try to outdo the original source it was apparent from the start when they started to take creative liberties with the writing Henry Cavill was the only person who actually cared and wanted for the show to be as close as possible to the books which rubbed the wrong way with the writers and directors massive egos and they just girl bossed Ciri and Yen and didn't give them any good character development and for some weird reason they made all male characters either reckless stupid or bad made and female characters with no flaws and just instantly made them strong also the main showrunner said she picked the actress for yen not because she was good or talented but for her color of skin which really just showed how much they didn't respect the actors or the source material and that's why everything felt boring and weird and didn't look like the witcher more like a regular fantasy drama look
Like to be fair, both Yen and Ciri are “girlbosses” in the source material too but a) Yen is very enigmatic at the start and b) Ciri is a naive child and only grows into the leading-lady of the series in the penultimate book. As for Henry, I guess he’s the reason why there aren’t many Geralt-related crimes bc I think it’s evident he tried to mitigate :)
@@valliyarnl True but the TV show really just felt like it didn't have any effort done to ensure it was as close as possible to the original books
also they tried to make the death of his horse Roach a Comedy scene which Henry didn't like one bit and fought hard to change it and they told him to write the lines and do the scene by himself in a very short time
Seriously why does it feel like every adaptation fails in this way. I'll never get over this and the Wheel of Time.
@@stephengrant4841 It's egos and selfish writers and directors and screenplay writers who try to self insert unnecessary topics that has no point being in the TV show
Complaining about girl bosses in The Witcher. You definitely haven't read the books.😅
"way too hot for the hat." Yes, darling, I was just thinking the same thing ;-p
8:00 I think Ciri actually finds the cat school medallion after she kills Bonhart since he had been showing them off to her before the fight
That is “sometime after the desert” 😅. I just didn’t remember how long after haha
The video is amazing, i wholeheartedly agree with your takes. Also love hearing how you accent changes when you pronounce polish words, one does really start thinking about how our personalities are also different when talking in different language
Late to this party, but the no “Triss: Butterflies” at Sodden was just…sad.
would've been iconiccccc 🦋
(and visually stunning)
The reason why they don't understand Yennefer is that, for these writer bunch who spent their life in offices, clubs, writing confererences and maybe book conventions, Yen's motivations are so unrelatable
The whole reason why Geralt and Yen are so attached to Ciri, why they're so wildly committed to her wellbeing, is that both of them find meaning of their life in their parenthood to Ciri. They're both bereft of a legacy, of something that'll go beyond their persons, of _something more_ and Ciri, all the sudden was just that.
A Child of surprise, for them both to pass on their own way, their own view.
Geralt was suffering from extreme nihilism and existential crisis, and was resorting to black gull, a heavy hallucinogen before finally taking Ciri in
Yen was endlessly searching some sort of meaning in her life, through her toxic sense of relationships.
But to the show writers understanding, they just saw Yennefer wanting to have a child, just for the sake of it. It was just about Yen not wanting to compromise anything.
And Geralt actually tells her that she'd be a bad mother, and that he'd not have a child simply because his way of life wouldn't support it is just fucking dumb and so modern thinking it still annoys me to remember it
Totally not related to the video lol, but maybe a month ago you recommended "Balladyna" by Slowacki. I finished it not too long ago and really enjoyed it (as much as you can enjoy a story about murder). I read a lot of Shakespeare for my degree in college, so it wasn't as difficult as I was anticipating. I also studied a lot of the Arthurian myths in school, and it was super interesting seeing some elements of that influence Slowacki's work. Thanks for the recommendation! I bought it as part of a collection including three of his other works, so I'll probably end up reading those too.
Ah! I’m so glad you enjoyed it! He’s very foundational to Polish Romanticism and I think “vibe” wise you can truly get a feel for Polish culture/traditional stories. I haven’t read his other works yet (Kordian is his most famous work so I assume it’s in the bundle), but I really want to soon. Happy reading!
Nice vid! I liked season 1 actually (I watched it before I read the books and had only played Witcher 3 a few hours at that point 😅) . The rest of the series was okay-ish in my opinion. BUT now that I've read all the books I'm astonished at what the Netflix writers did.. butchering so many characters and fundamentally changing magic (was surprised at first in the books when someone used a fire spell haha🙃) as well as many plot stuff. Like you said: Yennefer and Vesemir would NEVER even think about killing Ciri. Emhyr var Emreis 'true' identity reveal is such a cool mind blowing moment in the book (thankfully I completely forgot they already revealed it in the Netflix series lol)
Netflix Witcher made me reconsider my views on alcohol :)
Let’s brew White Gull together?
I mean, not including the sublime dialogue of;
Ciri: Sir Geralt?
Geralt: What?
Ciri: I'm awffy awffy hungry!
Is punishable by giotine!
Lambert Lambert what a prick
I watched that show
And now I feel sick
In pain and woe
I just don't wanna live anymore
Oh my god 😭😭💀
@@valliyarnlhahahah 'twas but a jest, obviously. In all seriousness I really like the video, you kept a gracious and enjoyable tone while reviewing that... thing.
Keep up the good work Wera 👍
Loved your take I was ranking along with this video and was saying all the same things as. The writers and showrunners took certain plot points from the lore and source material and just bastardised them thinking they know better. After Eskel in S2 I could sense what was happening and then the shitshow with Yennefer trying to kill Ciri.. Wow just Wow. I’m all for adding new characters as long as they add something to the story or existing characters but leaving out characters and mini stories like Shani, Little Eye or Dudu and replacing them with Dara the Disappointing and Mrs Baba Yaga is just so frustrating. I think the actors playing Yennefer, Dijkstra, Philippa, Rience , Francesca and Vilgefortz are all great castings and had so much potential but have all been butchered by awful writing. And even though I think Cahir, Triss and Fringilla were all casted wrong, with good writing I believe they could’ve worked. And I’m glad you made a point about not blaming the actors because unfortunately it’s too common for fans to vent their frustration at the actors when in reality it’s the directors and showrunners at fault. I guess whoever is cast as Stefan Skellen and Leo Bonhart will have to be working overtime in the coming seasons in order to replace Rience now that his storyline has been cut 2 Books Short. I felt so bad for Henry Cavill when he stepped away from the role but I’m glad he won’t have to be a part of the flop that is going to be S4.
The costumes are so uglyyyy 😭 why is Triss always wearing a potato sack tied up with a string as a belt? Why are all the other witches dresses up so badly? Why is Filippa the only one with more creative costumes (like with feathers ect.)? Why was the fashion at the Thanned ball so horrible???? 😭 I swear everybody was doing black on black, even the musicians and Sabrina out of nowhere wears champagne colored dress? Make it make sense 🥹
And FOR ONCE give Sabrina a black wig. That’s all I want. I hate her look in The Witcher 2 (big pet peeve of mine), and the actress they cast had the same nose shape as she has in the books and I was yay this’ll be perfect I can’t wait to see her in a black wig… AND SHE NEVER GOT A BLACK WIG. That’s all I want 😭😭😭
Thank you for making this video! As a fellow female Witcher fan it drives me insane when the show runners scream sexism when people have criticized the show!!!!!! No girl! It’s just bad writing 😂
Saw Witcher in polish on the shelf and decided to trust this video
Im polish!
Great video! Having read all the books and played all the games the major thing I noticed is of how much I don't recognize myself in Netflixs Witcher universe. Feels like the core or soul of what makes the movies AND the games so great isn't there. Have not seen the whole season 3, nor will I, and I definitely don't intend to watch season 4!
Netflix ruins EVERYTHING it touches !!! ☠️☠️☠️☠️
Given that i would have to pay Netflix for butchered Witcher anyway to watch, money would do better job left here. Thank you for EXHAUSTIVE deep dive from actual fan's perspective. Wondering on your perspective on Michał Szczerbic's Wiedźmin because this one i've actually enjoyed and would give a chair without right to appeal to one who decided to discontinue series :C
Thank you for the donation. I watched Szczerbiec’s Wiedzmin when I was younger and parts of it in school. To be honest I don’t think I remember enough to give my full thoughts. I remember it having more personality, the ummm dragon and how beautiful it was 😉, and the parts with Nenneke stood out to me. I don’t want to give a full opinion before rewatching it tho now that I’m older.
Thank u for watching!
Honestly, they should just make a Witcher animated TV show that covers all the books. Give it to a competent studio and pray. Hell, give it to a Japanese studio. Look at what studio Trigger did with Cyberpunk Edgerunners.
I see your point, but at this point I don’t think it would be possible for an animated version to exist without the tampering of Netflix’s “vision”… again let me point u to the Vesimir anime (which is fine/mid as a separate story but it’s not exactly an adaptation of the source material)
I’m curious what they’ll do with Sirens of the Deep…
@@valliyarnl Yes, the biggest problem now is that the Witcher is in Netflix's slimey hands for I don't know how long. I wonder how long they have the license. The best thing would probably to give the Witcher to a European animation studio. Maybe even a good Polish one who would actually respect the source material. I am so tired of how similar a lot of Western animation is nowdays. Like how they made the Vesemir TV show look like Castlevania. I feel like European animation is really underated. I also remember that a RUclips channel called the Grissini Project did a cover of the song Lullaby of Woe from the Witcher 3 and also a the music video they did for it came closer to the feel of the Witcher series than Netflix ever could imagine.
@@nikjovan4816 oh my gosh Lullabye of Woe is one of the best things I’ve ever heard in my life
@@valliyarnl Have you seen the cover Grissini Project did of it on RUclips. I highly recommend it. And of course in the game it's incredible.
@@nikjovan4816 just watched it now. wow. 100000/10.
YES!!! as a gay man Dandelion being gay/bi in the show was so... icky for me. As you said, there is a uncomfortable association with him being more feminine, dandy and you know sleeping around and making him gay or bi.
Wait, isn't Zerrikania actually inspired by the Sarmatians, Mongols and Chinese, with all the dragon worship, horse archery and warrior women?
«I thought they wanted to make money» awh, I feel you! This, this so often.
Never read or watched the series but wanted to give ya view anywho. However, more Malazan breakdowns please ☺️😉
soooo many of my friends are peer pressuring me into picking up Deadhouse Gates rn haha. Have they sent you?
in all seriousness, i have to wait until I get back to Ireland so I can buy a physical copy (i think they're gonna be better for me when it comes to this series)
@@valliyarnl lol,😂 I say nothing! Yeah, definitely read the physical copy.
To the Ciri´s age argument, kirsten dunst was 10 when she played Claudia in the Enterview with the Vampire movie adaptation and she matched Lestats portrait by Tom Cruise, and they both blew Brat Pitt out of the watter even when Louis was very well acted.
Natalie Portman was 12 in Leon the Professional, people hate that movie now because obvious reasons but still her actin was amazing. There is a world where they could get a great actress to portrait a very young Ciri
welcome back from your US Roadtrip been really excited for this video
thank you!! hope it lives up to your expectations 🫡
less edits than usual, but it crashed my computer twice anyway :(
@@valliyarnl I know that feeling I was doing work in Unity for about 3 hours and my PC crashed without saving my project same thing also happened while doing a F1 video I think it's a sign I need a new PC
I love your videos on the Witcher and how they incorporate the books, games, and other adaptions (even if i dont like those adaptations - looking at you Netflix!). I hope you make more Witcher videos. It could be really interesting to hear you talk about the female characters in the books in particular, maybe looking at how they are represented by a male author. I cant wait to reread these books because of you! I'm English but visisted Poland with my Polish partner a few weeks ago and loved it! I also picked up a Polish copy of The Last Wish! 😅 I just needed to have one of the books in its original language!!! Anyway, thanks for these vids and i hope you make more in the future 😊
I'm starting to like your channel more and more every single day
Thank you, Mr Bolton 😁
Another one for me I recently noticed is that in the series, Ciri is there in the castle of Nivellen, while in the books Geralt doesn't even know ciri yet.
so this i don't consider a crime. it's a change from the books but it is one i would've been fine with. i was excited to find out that A Grain of Truth (that short story) would be adapted and I don't think it was one they should've squeezed into season 1 (if they stayed with the 8 episodes they had). What annoyed me with that episode is how trivially they treated the central conflict :/
Showrunners screwed up almost every aspect of the book. I don't know how is this possible when you adapt something?
Lauren Schmidt Hissrich & her writer crew are the one of the most untalented people on the planet Earth.
Oof. Tbh I’d love to see an interview with her a few years from now where she honestly goes over what her vision was because (no bad intentions) I’m genuinely curious. I don’t think people come into a project as big as this thinking “let’s screw it up”. So yeah I really hope that in a few years we’ll get some answers of what went wrong
@@valliyarnl I would agree, to some degree, that they didn't went atencionaly “let’s screw it up” but with their own lack of talent we get this Netflix Witcher. But If we are totaly honest here one (Beau DeMayo) writer from the crew did say that some writers on this show openly mock and didn't like the source material.
Only true fan on this show was Henry Cavill, and even he couldn't watch this. And cudos to him that he could lasted so long. I would go after first season, If I would be him.
So I stand behind my statement. For people in charge everything else was more important than the love and respect of the source material and it shows on the final product, big time.
That's why they were hired by Netflix. Odd as it may seem at first but Netflix's goal ISN'T to make outstanding quality series. It's actually against their business model!
i swear to god the breakdowns xLetalis did were more fun then the episodes themselves
Another crime against The Witcher: Everything regarding Nilfgaard. The fact that ignores all the subtle political moves before and after the war, and how different NIlfgaard is, in contrast with the Northern Kingdoms.
Bonus unpopular opinion: Sorry people, but the games aren't canon.
Agreed! And yeah, the games aren’t officially cannon… BUT imo they’re a rlly good continuation of the story and I think they increase my enjoyment of some of the original books so in my head cannon they are 😊
(But again it’s not like they did everything perfectly)
@@valliyarnl Oh I agree, don't get me wrong, the games are a really really good (and expensive) work of fanfiction. I said that bc Sapkowski himself said that he maybe wanted to continue the story in more books, and when people asked if he was going to respect the story from the games, he said (of course): "no". And those people lost their minds. My opinon is that the author is the ultimate authority, that's why is called an "author".
Sorry for the long text. I really like your channel, you're very insightful. You have gained another subscriber. Keep up the good work 👍
I just stumbled upon this video and I LOVE it
Such a nice mix of a rambly and chattery atmosphere
Also love your facial expression, literally lol ed at so much of them
Never forget: the Netflix head of casting hired Anya Chalotra to ‘subvert beauty standards’ which to me is insanity considering Chalotra is clearly a gorgeous woman hired to play a gorgeous woman, and I don’t get what they were going for in that comment 😳
That’s so rude wtf. She’s so beautiful!!! Her in that bath scene lives in my head rent free 💜
That girl is gorgeous it didn't subvert anything.
Great video! I only read one of the books so I was not aware of just HOW MUCH they actually changed (for the worrse).😭Man who on earth gave this show into the hands of the writers.
I’m really glad you touched on the casting choices but was disappointed that you didn’t go hard enough. You seemed to avoid anything politically controversial, when you’re not at fault for making it so. The casting director & anyone else within that Hollywood bubble has admitted that DEI is the priority. The reason it looks un-Slavic, is because it’s a Medieval Fantasy show inspired by contemporary Eastern, Northern, and Western Europe; yet it looks more diverse than present day London, LA, or NYC. These people will inject politics into the things we love & ram it down your throat & call you every -ist & -phobe under the sun when you even slightly disagree. Another example being that Yennefer getting everyone else’s achievements is to push her as the girlboss character.
This is their explicit goal. Demoralise & dissuade you from even referencing the political nature, let alone criticising it. They’ve cowed you into submission and it’s sad to see. These are the exact people we should gatekeep against. Their writing skill is terrible and their political ideology is downright malicious in its goals & implementation.
I really enjoyed this video and your commentary. Just wish you weren’t scared to confront the elephant in the room.
People’s skin color and physical features don’t matter much in a fantastical world unless otherwise emphasized (I.e. got Targaryen white hair, Witcher elf ears, elder scrolls elf races (dark, high, etc). Casting poc actors doesn’t make a show inspired by Slavic and yes other cultures (not just European…) not Slavic. It feels Slavic when you weave in cultural elements and themes and designs. I promise you that casting only white people will not make this show better.
@ Yes it does. This argument doesn’t work the other way.
"I thought Netflix wanted to make money." and yet they produced this and Blood Origin. 🤣😅
Yo im early as hell
The first season should have been a combination of the short stories leading two the main plot in starting in the second season . It was simple 😂
I came back to this video and had completly forgotten about the framing device of sentencing. I only listened to the audio so at 7:40 I burst out laughing because it sounded so harsh and deadpan at the same time.