I joined the channel Feb 9th, 2014. Rich it's our ten year anniversary! Lol. People unwilling to expand their minds and hold you to what you said ten years ago... Common folks. Appreciate you bringing me the latest and greatest. I went the opposite of you. I went vertical crossbow which is slower than my 2015 Barnett wildcat. However, I hunt tight, thick swamp. So what works for me, doesn't work for you. And guess what?!? That's ok! All hail bunjie and Rich!
Yep people ask me about that crossbow from time to time and I told him it does have a specific application, you want from a tree a lot and it's up and down like the tree so you don't have to worry about limbs as much. I totally get it. You've evolved a lot just like I have, I really appreciate it. Two interesting crossbow Journeys haha. 💯
Cool video Rich. Very informative for those who like modifying or building their own arrows. As for me, I let AJs Custom arrows build my arrows to perfection for my Rev X. Keep the videos coming. 👍👍👍
I did the same thing for the 1st ever meat and greet with some great advice from Marshall. I used gold tip screw in weights and the wrench they had they called a fact wrench. 280-290 fps depending on the broadhead and I definitely got way too much of a pass through lol. Had to go find my arrows. Thank god for the luminoks.
I was raised old school. Also I have heard you say this before. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. My arrows already fly right through the deer most of the time flying several yards past the point of impact. If I remember correctly I’m about 410grains on a .001 tolerance arrow black eagle crossbow bolt. Tipped with a g5 mega meat broadhead. My favorite broadhead. Knock on wood I have never had an issue.
To add more weight I bought brass 8/32 screws and threaded them on the other end of brass insert just make sure the screw doesn't prevent the field point or broadheads from threading all the way
I have heard you mention on the RANCH FAIRE CHANNEL FOC IS NO JOKE FOR 😮ME 570S 625 IS A GREAT RAING BUT ARROW FLIGHT IS # 1 above all i LOVE YOU CONTENT KEEP UP YOUR GREAT WORK!!
You have to weigh the benefits of being heavy,which slows it down, to having 15-20% front of center,shooting alittle faster .which increases kinetic energy. So in my experience you can go to 610 grains but I was under 232 ft per second and didn’t fly any better than at 545 at 20% front of center. Know this was with a compound bow shooting a 27 1/2 arrow with a 150 grain broadheads. I use weigh inserts and they work awesome.
Taking the ten point stealth 450 out for my first ever pronghorn hunt in a couple of weeks. I'm going to be using the swhacker 3" too. Bolts and broadheads together are 580gr.
I got a 2017 or 18 Excalibur 308 short banshee. It’s moving at 296fps with a 350 grain arrow. I’ve only shot 2 doe with it but I got pass through on both of them nock on wood that continues for me.
Adding weight to the front of the arrow not only increases the arrow weight, it increases the FOC. As the increased FOC moves the center of arrow balance forward toward the point end, the rear of the arrow becomes a longer steering lever for improved arrow flight and accuracy. It also reduces the arrow's IMPACT PARADOX which is the arrow's flex when it strikes an animal. Arrow flex upon impact reduces the arrows ability to penetrate. The 2nd way to reduce arrow shaft impact flex is to shoot a lighter arrow shaft. Slow motion impact has shown that a heavy shaft will actually flex more than a light arrow shaft because of the weight of the shaft itself. Regarding FOC, Dr. Ed Ashby explains that when arrow FOC reaches 12 percent, it begins to have a significant impact on this rear steering lever. As the FOC reaches 19 percent, the arrow point actually starts pulling the arrow instead of the arrow shaft pushing the point, which also increases penetration. There is a lot of physics going on that most of us don't understand, me included, but most people think heavy arrow means better penetration, but a LIGHTER ARROW SHAFT with a HEAVIER ARROW POINT producing higher FOC is the science behind increased penetration. The factors regarding this topic are improved arrow flight, and reduced impact paradox arrow flex. There are other factors regarding penetration that are not addressed here. Look up Dr. Ed Ashby's 12 factors of arrow lethality.
@@Deathbybunjie Many people in the crossbow and compound world think Ashby was just about shooting heavy arrows, and they don't want to give up their speed, but raising the FOC does not really mean extremely heavy arrows. They have never really dove into the science for that reason.
I added 70 grains to my bolts by increasing my broadhead to 150 grain Swacker and a lighted nock. I lost 35 fps but my bolt just blew through the target whereas the light bolts all stopped with 6 inches sticking out. Some of the penetration may have been related to FOC or at least that is what the math says.
I just watched one of your older videos and you said some guys shoot 700 grains and that you have no intention of getting anywhere near that, now look at ya LOL!
It would be something to see what a 1000 grain arrow would be flying like... Has me wondering how much arrow drop at 50 yards is going to be. I shoot a single shot 45-70 CVA Scout V2 when firearms season opens. The round I prefer is 275 grains. At 100 yards I can literally stack these round into a 1 inch circle. But, if I fire a 325 grain round, there's a 6" drop at 100 yards.
Rich, I’ve had a Mag 340 for 3 years now. I’ve notice some of my serving on my string starting to separate. I’ve decided I’m going to replace my string this year before the season starts. Do you have a video where you demonstrate putting new string on?I’d love to see you explain brace height and twist direction. Thanks brother.
Pretty simple, tighten it up to increase the brace height or untwisted a little bit to bring the brace height down. I did a couple of videos on that topic over the years and I am sure there's a bunch here on youtube. Good luck!
Question: I also have a really slow crossbow….300-330 with 100 grain broad head. I can shoot up to 40 yards anything longer I just don’t get the same penetration. Now I tried to add 150 grains to it and it slowed me down so badly that my shots are probably gonna be limited to about 20 yards…. That’s just too close in the open areas I have to hunt in. Don’t you think slowing Bunjie down that much will result in the same issue? How will you sight in the Burris to take that into account? I have a speed scope and the heavy arrow simply makes it too slow to use
just so you hear it....been shooting a crossbow since 1976....i'm settled on my forever bow a sniper 370....watch for your 630 grn bolt doesn't want to tail high the further out you go...i've always shot 30 and in...mine settled at 570 grn. it slowed my bow down to 315....thats fine by me
since you do a lot of your own testing give the Magnus Black Hornet or Slick Trick fixed broadheads a sling...you also might want to knock tune your bolts....remember you can always go back if you don't like what you see
My 16.5 inch arrows out of my Micro 340 shoot at about 300 fps. They are 417 grains. Last year I shot a deer from ground level with a Tooth of the arrow 1" 150gr 4 blade. That arrow passed through and went to the next county. Never found it.
The piledriver bolts that I shoot are sort of an oddball ID of .285 or 7.2mm. But I did luckily find replaceable brass inserts of that size on ebay from “ hobo archery” that are 100 grains. They are not threaded on the back end for added weight but 100 is enough for me anyway. I’m at 610 grains total bolt weight running the 100 insert, 150 Sevr broadhead, 35 grain lighted nock/nock insert. FOC is 17%. I need to chrono but that heavy arrow takes my advertised speed 425 probably 335? That’s just a guess. I’m happy with it. Not only does the added weight increase KE, it also takes some of the unused energy stress off of the bow limbs. Does that make a more reliable bow that is less likely to crack a limb? I believe it does. And Rich has an older video exactly on that subject.
I'm at 625 grains now with the Barnett. Sirius Phoenix carbons. I think I will stay there for now, no upside for me that I can see. Won't you have to recalibrate the scope after doubling the weight on a slow bow ?
blackeaglearrows.com/crossbow-arrow-components/ Look over the stuff on there and see what works for your gear, and ask them any questions you have before you purchase. But that's where I got my stuff. Good luck!
I have had a similar situation with my 2011 Horton Legend (bought out by Ten Point in 2012) with a published speed of 305 fps. My 20” bolt, 150 gr Swhacker, Luminox nock = 500 gr. Added 2 x 75 gr. inserts now = 650 grains. No idea current arrow speed? I have killed 17 deer with this bow. 😮 only bow hunt until rifle season starts. PS I’m 77 and saddle hunted now 4 years. Gave away my climbers and ladders 😂
Are you talking about editing software or are you talking about the calculators? The calculators are for free on the website. The software I use for editing is premiere pro.
Yeah that should get you up to 0.7 So will Easton 2219s with a 110 insert though hahahhahaha. That’s what I use anyways it works so well. Hope you got a target that will stop it though.
My targets stop The Enforcer at 0.76 slugs, so I bet I'm okay LOL but now at least all the crossbows are in that range, well not Genevieve's but we'll see haha
@@Deathbybunjie I’m surprised I thought hers would about that with her heavier arrows. What targets Rich I am in need of something that can stop my 600 grains, the one I have I turn sideways and they still get buried to the vanes.
Sorry I just can’t get behind this one rich. My 308 short Excalibur has never failed to not get a pass through out to 32 yards with rage hypodermic and mega meat heads. Not one arrow was over 415gr.
@@Deathbybunjie Not majic at all lol just keeping archery close as it’s intended to be. Best quote of all time is as follows. “Archery isn’t about how far but how close”
Don’t use lock tight in arrows 🙏PLEASE 🙏 keep it in the tradition of archery! Simply find your nearest cluster of white pine trees, any pine will do but white pine is the best! Grab a clump of the sap numerous clumps if possible. Take those home put them in a pan, you do not intend on ever using again, and heat the sap up. As it heats up, give it a stir with a stick doesn’t matter whatever you’re stirring it with is going to be thrown away anyway, but it will collect the debris that is in your sap. Then pour your sap into an old pill bottle, preferably or any large mouth small jar. If you tie your own fletching, if you make your own historically, correct arrowheads, or if you want something to just stick really well without being glued in place tree sap is a bargain and it’s free!! if you’re making your own bow, and you wish to stack layers with sinew or snake skin, crush up sweet grass and add it to sap. It makes a fiberglass type glue. The Indian Indians have used trees in this manner since long before Christopher Columbus supposedly discovered the Americas. Ask yourself this how did a European weapon find its way first to Asia, then somehow to a new continent? The Vikings made it first, and the proof is the sap used as glue when constructing arrows and bows! Not to mention the lesser known Rune stones found all the way as far west as the boundary waters and Minnesota, and the Dakotas. In fact all over North America, where Indians were shorter than Europeans, there are fables of red haired Giants. The Norse and Kelts, they were your red haired giants! And they are how the American Indians learned to makebow and arrows, and Tomahawks were tributes to the Battle Ax. Keeping it real I can make my own bow, arrows, all from things found in the woods. Including the strings, although I would rather have horse hair, I can do that with other plants like hemp and flax. Try it sometime it’s a blast! Start with a simple, long bow, learn to do it like the Norse and kelts you have to arch the arrow, and place a notch on the bow for distances. If you don’t know what I’m talking about look at primitive making you’ll figure it out. But please please please please quit the loctight and use sap. Keep it real original.
Creating a 1000 grain arrow to shoot on video, which be pretty sweet to see! 😁
I joined the channel Feb 9th, 2014. Rich it's our ten year anniversary! Lol. People unwilling to expand their minds and hold you to what you said ten years ago... Common folks. Appreciate you bringing me the latest and greatest. I went the opposite of you. I went vertical crossbow which is slower than my 2015 Barnett wildcat. However, I hunt tight, thick swamp. So what works for me, doesn't work for you. And guess what?!? That's ok! All hail bunjie and Rich!
Yep people ask me about that crossbow from time to time and I told him it does have a specific application, you want from a tree a lot and it's up and down like the tree so you don't have to worry about limbs as much. I totally get it. You've evolved a lot just like I have, I really appreciate it. Two interesting crossbow Journeys haha. 💯
Crossbow Appreciation Month!
Cool video Rich. Very informative for those who like modifying or building their own arrows. As for me, I let AJs Custom arrows build my arrows to perfection for my Rev X. Keep the videos coming. 👍👍👍
Hello from Connecticut! Thank you for doing crossbow appreciation month!! Helps me pregame for the season.
"Death by Slugs of Momentum". And thanks for the Bunjie discount.
I used that coupon code and saved money thanks for sharing that
Rich, great video and information, thanks for sharing.
Awesome thank you for sharing💪
Another awesome video
I love your videos… big fan of your channel and watching your channel grow with the ages.
Great content as usual. Keep it up Rich!!
I did the same thing for the 1st ever meat and greet with some great advice from Marshall. I used gold tip screw in weights and the wrench they had they called a fact wrench. 280-290 fps depending on the broadhead and I definitely got way too much of a pass through lol. Had to go find my arrows. Thank god for the luminoks.
😆 the good old days, that was the summer of heavy arrows that's for sure
I was raised old school. Also I have heard you say this before. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. My arrows already fly right through the deer most of the time flying several yards past the point of impact. If I remember correctly I’m about 410grains on a .001 tolerance arrow black eagle crossbow bolt. Tipped with a g5 mega meat broadhead. My favorite broadhead. Knock on wood I have never had an issue.
That is a good setup 💯 agree...doing a video on best arrow weights down the road here or at least my thoughts
To add more weight I bought brass 8/32 screws and threaded them on the other end of brass insert just make sure the screw doesn't prevent the field point or broadheads from threading all the way
Hail Bungie
I have heard you mention on the RANCH FAIRE CHANNEL FOC IS NO JOKE FOR 😮ME 570S 625 IS A GREAT RAING BUT ARROW FLIGHT IS # 1 above all i LOVE YOU CONTENT KEEP UP YOUR GREAT WORK!!
Ranch Fairy good stuff 100% 👌
@Deathbybunjie both your channel s are a treasure trove, Thanks again for the commitment to crossbow hunting and cultural
You have to weigh the benefits of being heavy,which slows it down, to having 15-20% front of center,shooting alittle faster .which increases kinetic energy.
So in my experience you can go to 610 grains but I was under 232 ft per second and didn’t fly any better than at 545 at 20% front of center. Know this was with a compound bow shooting a 27 1/2 arrow with a 150 grain broadheads. I use weigh inserts and they work awesome.
Taking the ten point stealth 450 out for my first ever pronghorn hunt in a couple of weeks. I'm going to be using the swhacker 3" too. Bolts and broadheads together are 580gr.
Good luck!
Thanks. I'm gonna need it lol
Love the zombie slayer bolts.
I got a 2017 or 18 Excalibur 308 short banshee. It’s moving at 296fps with a 350 grain arrow. I’ve only shot 2 doe with it but I got pass through on both of them nock on wood that continues for me.
Adding weight to the front of the arrow not only increases the arrow weight, it increases the FOC. As the increased FOC moves the center of arrow balance forward toward the point end, the rear of the arrow becomes a longer steering lever for improved arrow flight and accuracy. It also reduces the arrow's IMPACT PARADOX which is the arrow's flex when it strikes an animal. Arrow flex upon impact reduces the arrows ability to penetrate. The 2nd way to reduce arrow shaft impact flex is to shoot a lighter arrow shaft. Slow motion impact has shown that a heavy shaft will actually flex more than a light arrow shaft because of the weight of the shaft itself. Regarding FOC, Dr. Ed Ashby explains that when arrow FOC reaches 12 percent, it begins to have a significant impact on this rear steering lever. As the FOC reaches 19 percent, the arrow point actually starts pulling the arrow instead of the arrow shaft pushing the point, which also increases penetration. There is a lot of physics going on that most of us don't understand, me included, but most people think heavy arrow means better penetration, but a LIGHTER ARROW SHAFT with a HEAVIER ARROW POINT producing higher FOC is the science behind increased penetration. The factors regarding this topic are improved arrow flight, and reduced impact paradox arrow flex. There are other factors regarding penetration that are not addressed here. Look up Dr. Ed Ashby's 12 factors of arrow lethality.
I'm very familiar with doctor at Ashby and did an entire year of videos on this topic LOL
@@Deathbybunjie Many people in the crossbow and compound world think Ashby was just about shooting heavy arrows, and they don't want to give up their speed, but raising the FOC does not really mean extremely heavy arrows. They have never really dove into the science for that reason.
I added 70 grains to my bolts by increasing my broadhead to 150 grain Swacker and a lighted nock. I lost 35 fps but my bolt just blew through the target whereas the light bolts all stopped with 6 inches sticking out. Some of the penetration may have been related to FOC or at least that is what the math says.
I just watched one of your older videos and you said some guys shoot 700 grains and that you have no intention of getting anywhere near that, now look at ya LOL!
Not on a modern crossbow or my primary one, that's gor sure
But on the OB fun to do
It would be something to see what a 1000 grain arrow would be flying like...
Has me wondering how much arrow drop at 50 yards is going to be.
I shoot a single shot 45-70 CVA Scout V2 when firearms season opens.
The round I prefer is 275 grains.
At 100 yards I can literally stack these round into a 1 inch circle.
But, if I fire a 325 grain round, there's a 6" drop at 100 yards.
May i recommend the X Impact from Black Eagle arrows( Zombie Slayer manufacturer) for penetration and also for FOC improvements
Very interesting on how much weight you added to get to the momentum. I wonder where the curve is to speed vs momentum for OB.
More on that topic coming for sure
Rich, I’ve had a Mag 340 for 3 years now. I’ve notice some of my serving on my string starting to separate. I’ve decided I’m going to replace my string this year before the season starts. Do you have a video where you demonstrate putting new string on?I’d love to see you explain brace height and twist direction. Thanks brother.
Pretty simple, tighten it up to increase the brace height or untwisted a little bit to bring the brace height down. I did a couple of videos on that topic over the years and I am sure there's a bunch here on youtube. Good luck!
Question: I also have a really slow crossbow….300-330 with 100 grain broad head. I can shoot up to 40 yards anything longer I just don’t get the same penetration. Now I tried to add 150 grains to it and it slowed me down so badly that my shots are probably gonna be limited to about 20 yards…. That’s just too close in the open areas I have to hunt in. Don’t you think slowing Bunjie down that much will result in the same issue? How will you sight in the Burris to take that into account? I have a speed scope and the heavy arrow simply makes it too slow to use
The scope that is…. I need to chrono it but I’m guessing I’m below 300fps at this point.
You would think the added weight would make Bunjie quieter. Should be noticeable.
You'll hear both arrows in upcoming video
just so you hear it....been shooting a crossbow since 1976....i'm settled on my forever bow a sniper 370....watch for your 630 grn bolt doesn't want to tail high the further out you go...i've always shot 30 and in...mine settled at 570 grn. it slowed my bow down to 315....thats fine by me
since you do a lot of your own testing give the Magnus Black Hornet or Slick Trick fixed broadheads a sling...you also might want to knock tune your bolts....remember you can always go back if you don't like what you see
My 16.5 inch arrows out of my Micro 340 shoot at about 300 fps. They are 417 grains. Last year I shot a deer from ground level with a Tooth of the arrow 1" 150gr 4 blade. That arrow passed through and went to the next county. Never found it.
You need a bigger broadhead to eat up some of that energy!
The piledriver bolts that I shoot are sort of an oddball ID of .285 or 7.2mm. But I did luckily find replaceable brass inserts of that size on ebay from “ hobo archery” that are 100 grains. They are not threaded on the back end for added weight but 100 is enough for me anyway. I’m at 610 grains total bolt weight running the 100 insert, 150 Sevr broadhead, 35 grain lighted nock/nock insert. FOC is 17%. I need to chrono but that heavy arrow takes my advertised speed 425 probably 335? That’s just a guess. I’m happy with it. Not only does the added weight increase KE, it also takes some of the unused energy stress off of the bow limbs. Does that make a more reliable bow that is less likely to crack a limb? I believe it does. And Rich has an older video exactly on that subject.
Lots of videos lol and more coming
My Favorite month of the year! I'm curious can the OB get above .7 slugs? if so how much weight would it take?
We find out tomorrow LOL
I'm at 625 grains now with the Barnett. Sirius Phoenix carbons. I think I will stay there for now, no upside for me that I can see. Won't you have to recalibrate the scope after doubling the weight on a slow bow ?
I use the Burris Oracle X, I have a video coming on that but the short answer is yes I have to re sight in but it's not a big deal.
I made a video on how I add weight to my arrows for cheap, if you can melt lead then you can do it too.
Cool
Do you have a link for those adapters and long wrench by chance?
blackeaglearrows.com/crossbow-arrow-components/
Look over the stuff on there and see what works for your gear, and ask them any questions you have before you purchase. But that's where I got my stuff. Good luck!
@@Deathbybunjie thank you
I have had a similar situation with my 2011
Horton Legend (bought out by Ten Point in 2012) with a published speed of 305 fps.
My 20” bolt, 150 gr Swhacker, Luminox nock = 500 gr.
Added 2 x 75 gr. inserts now = 650 grains. No idea current arrow speed?
I have killed 17 deer with this bow. 😮 only bow hunt until rifle season starts.
PS I’m 77 and saddle hunted now 4 years. Gave away my climbers and ladders 😂
Now I do. 265 fps. May remove one 75 gr. Insert?
I broke sweat in my recliner just watching you put up that double ladder yesterday😅
😁 climbing is not my favorite thing but we got to do what we got to do haha
@@Deathbybunjie oh yeah, I forgot you tried that saddle thing, didn’t you? It definitely takes some getting used to.
@@Deathbybunjie however, double ladders are what I used x7 for permanent sites. Good move on the used EBay idea.
You have a 50/50 chance of better penatration you will never know till you try them
I’d think the inserts on even the zombies from factory have enough thread to add an insert .. any arrow they make not just custom
Yep I agree
How can we get the software you use and can it be downloaded??
Are you talking about editing software or are you talking about the calculators? The calculators are for free on the website. The software I use for editing is premiere pro.
Yeah that should get you up to 0.7
So will Easton 2219s with a 110 insert though hahahhahaha.
That’s what I use anyways it works so well. Hope you got a target that will stop it though.
My targets stop The Enforcer at 0.76 slugs, so I bet I'm okay LOL but now at least all the crossbows are in that range, well not Genevieve's but we'll see haha
@@Deathbybunjie I’m surprised I thought hers would about that with her heavier arrows.
What targets Rich I am in need of something that can stop my 600 grains, the one I have I turn sideways and they still get buried to the vanes.
@@chrisruzsa2798 she's heavier but atill not .7 slugs... Target considerations coming soon
I hope it work for you rich
Sorry I just can’t get behind this one rich. My 308 short Excalibur has never failed to not get a pass through out to 32 yards with rage hypodermic and mega meat heads. Not one arrow was over 415gr.
Magic 😆
@@Deathbybunjie
Not majic at all lol just keeping archery close as it’s intended to be. Best quote of all time is as follows. “Archery isn’t about how far but how close”
@neabowhunters8107 I'm not an archer though, I'm a crossbow hunter.
Don’t use lock tight in arrows 🙏PLEASE 🙏 keep it in the tradition of archery! Simply find your nearest cluster of white pine trees, any pine will do but white pine is the best! Grab a clump of the sap numerous clumps if possible. Take those home put them in a pan, you do not intend on ever using again, and heat the sap up. As it heats up, give it a stir with a stick doesn’t matter whatever you’re stirring it with is going to be thrown away anyway, but it will collect the debris that is in your sap. Then pour your sap into an old pill bottle, preferably or any large mouth small jar. If you tie your own fletching, if you make your own historically, correct arrowheads, or if you want something to just stick really well without being glued in place tree sap is a bargain and it’s free!! if you’re making your own bow, and you wish to stack layers with sinew or snake skin, crush up sweet grass and add it to sap. It makes a fiberglass type glue. The Indian Indians have used trees in this manner since long before Christopher Columbus supposedly discovered the Americas. Ask yourself this how did a European weapon find its way first to Asia, then somehow to a new continent? The Vikings made it first, and the proof is the sap used as glue when constructing arrows and bows! Not to mention the lesser known Rune stones found all the way as far west as the boundary waters and Minnesota, and the Dakotas. In fact all over North America, where Indians were shorter than Europeans, there are fables of red haired Giants. The Norse and Kelts, they were your red haired giants! And they are how the American Indians learned to makebow and arrows, and Tomahawks were tributes to the Battle Ax. Keeping it real I can make my own bow, arrows, all from things found in the woods. Including the strings, although I would rather have horse hair, I can do that with other plants like hemp and flax. Try it sometime it’s a blast! Start with a simple, long bow, learn to do it like the Norse and kelts you have to arch the arrow, and place a notch on the bow for distances. If you don’t know what I’m talking about look at primitive making you’ll figure it out. But please please please please quit the loctight and use sap. Keep it real original.
Ummmm, I'm more of a Loctite kinda guy lol but this was a good read. Thank you!
All hail bunjie another awsom video rich. Changed broad heads going with Swakers 🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌
👍👌💯