I really find it fun watching Chris do these videos knowing that he knows everything in the book, but making sure to not give anything away, even with his facial expressions. But then as soon as Jeremy reveals something and it's considered "public knowledge" he springs into action and we get that deep analysis we all love. Very much looking forward to all his reaction videos that'll be coming out as more is revealed, awesome job!
Totally agreeeee. There isn't a single other person- not even Crawford or anyone else on the design team- I'm more interested in hearing analysis from than Chris. He's not even industry standard, he's the whole industry for me!
Along with hiding, Surprise is one of the most often misruled rules of 5E. I've seen everything from attacks 'outside of initiative because you're surprised' to 'surprise rounds' nonsense. Hopefully this stops some of that nonsense, but I doubt it.
I think the change went too far. I would have kept at least advantage on attacks against surprised combatants and added disadvantage to attacks by surprised combatants.
They keep repeating the phrase "more options than in 2014" and it feels sooooo misleading with the Way they say it. As if we haven't had these options for years already
@@MrSeals1000they do generally go on to clarify (at least here after they said that, they then elaborated that it was basically stuff from Tasha’s) but I agree it is a bit misleading
I agree, it is unfortunately misleading, but I've also noticed with a lot of people I know have not read or use/own Tasha's or even Xanathar's. So, for them they are going to get a huge amount of new content. 😅
How the fuck is it misleading when he literally states that it's a new feature in RELATION to the 2014 phb? He literally states that the features are coming from Tasha right after he explains what it is
20:20 well, i think the meaning of his statement is - "you want to be versatile with spells - be a wizard. You want to be versatile with weapons/martially be a fighter" not that they are equally versatile but one uses spells and the other weapons.
@@TreantmonksTempleDo you think fighters should have the same level of versatility, and if so how do you achieve that while being distinct from spells?
@odie4495 spellcasting in dungeons and dragons is uniquely strong and versatile compared to other games There was no martial/caster divide in 4e, that is what it would look like, all casters are identical, and they have the same number of spells and abilities as every other class in the game. Oh and then D&D could never print new spells either, only new classes and new subclasses, which I personally hate the idea of The other way would be what Pack tactics perports, give martials martial slots and martial casting, in super human ways which has no real distinguishing game mechanics to spells There are ways to differentiate them in other games, but those all have very strict things that spellcasters can and cannot do, and it culls their versatility into the ground My favourite class is wizard, i would very much dislike that outcome.
@@nyanbrox5418the other major IP in the RPG niche is world of darkness and chronicles of darkness and mages in those systems are considered massively overpowered. It's not just a D&D thing
So at level 9, a fighter can choose to use a weapon with the Graze property. Which will have an effect no matter what the roll result is. However, on a hit you can then choose to use one of the push, sap or slow. That seems pretty powerful
What they were saying is that you can use a weapon with a property that only works on a miss, which thus does nothing extra on a hit, with the new level 9 thing where you can add a dofferent property if you hit. That way if you hit you get to pick one of those bonus masteries but if you miss you still get your weapon's original mastery @@TheYellowMask5421
@@TheYellowMask5421he means that they use graze, which only triggers on a miss, but if they happen to hit instead of missing then they could choose to use one of the 3 masteries. So basically they get a mastery on hit or miss, which does seem pretty solid. We’ll see what the specific wording is though, you might have to decide before the attack is made to use the level 9 feature
Each 5 rule, like in DC20?? Can't help but feel more excited for THAT, rather than the 2024 updates to 5e now... Edit: for you lot clowning me about Pathfinder, I've never played it so my knowledge is limited so sue me 😅
There are some great changes in there that aren't in the playtest even. The champion stuff is defintely more interesting. Eldritch Knight being able to give up Two attacks for a level 1 or 2 spell cast.
Anyone else think fighters should get their 4th attack at 17th level to match cantrip scaling? I think they deserve a much more interesting 20th level feature
The surprise rules are a very clever simple way to do it, it has a similar flow to what you want surprise to do, which is one side having a chance to act first which can be HUGE, but it doesn’t mean they get a whole round to themselves
Shame they didn't mention the actual reason why they didn't just merge battlemaster back into the base class is because they still want to keep the class as simple as possible for new players instead of using a system they already have in place that can be used to help a new player learn how to play, Sidekicks.
I'm very happy to hear about Epic Boons and how they work. Them allowing scores to go above 20, but only giving you a +1, means you don't necessarily have to max out your important stat ASAP, if you're playing that far. That means you can be more flexible with the feats you pick as you level up, as opposed to hinging upon Ability Score Improvement specifically.
With all normal feats now giving +1 (as per the playtest), you probably should still be at 20 in your most important stat before reaching level 19, though. Taking the ASI feat for +2 will probably be a much rarer pick in 5.24E than it was before, since feats are still roughly all 5E full-feat power (other than eliminating the -5/+10 mechanics of Sharpshooter and Great Weapon Master) level while also being what 5E players would refer to as half-feats. ...All of that is to say, it's no longer a choice, you can make just abut any fun and thematic feat selections you want and still favor the mathematical side at the same time.
At level 11, you can combine topple, push and slow in one round. Make enemies prone, slow them then push them back. Step back a little bit and the average enemy won’t be able to reach you. Or you can just PAM reaction attack them. Could be great at kiting/totally scuppering enemies
Agreed. Auto push back makes combat pointless, stupid and a waste of time. A low level warlock can easily defeat a clay golem without taking damage. I think D&D is moving more towards being family friendly and “cozy” and away from, grit, combat, or character death.
Sorry for the double comment. But I am so insanely excited to play an Eldritch Knight. It does exactly what I want. I want to be level 11, get 3 attacks, and use one of those attacks to cast Booming Blade. Or use 2 attacks and fell an enemy then throw a firebolt at another enemy out of range. I don't care about the divide between martials and casters. I just really like the flavor of the Eldritch Knight.
Is the Epic boon written in a way such that you need to reach 19th level in a class to get, or you just have to be character level 19? Also do the barb and monk level 20 ASI conflict with the epic boon increases, or do they account for that by increasing the maximum instead of setting it, or ignoring it altogether?
It's really disappointing how often that they're using the loophole/technicality of "xyz is new!" Because it is technically new to the PHB, only because it wasn't in the 2014 version, it was published in Tasha's or MotM or something. Not only is it disappointing on general principles, but it's almost a little worrying because if they thought the perception of being fresh & new was important.... they could have just done so.
... still think that they could have incorporated the champion into the base kit and give the subclass something new. Increasing the crot range, while nice, only really gives you additional 5% chances. So with a 19-20, you have two 5% chances. Weapon mastery helps branch the fighter out, but how many players are actually going to use multiple weapons instead of just sticking to one? (Either great sword or rapier depending on build.) Granting the three masteries to all weapons is neat, but diminishes the appeal of mastering the weapons with those traits. The spell school restrictions I didn't mind because they made sense with the subclasses. Using two attacks for a 1-2nd level spell, with your limited spell slots, seems kind of meh but neat to me.
Imagine you fight undead. You would use Protection from Good and Evil to give them disadvantage on attacks. Now normally this would consume your whole attack and then you'd use your bonus action to attack once. Now you consume two attacks and have 1 or 2 attacks left in the action. You can also use cantrip on the same turn as well as bonus action. If you have polearm master, you can still atta k with bonus action. So anyway this new war magic is miles better
The niche of champion is for people who don't want many features/don't want to think, so rolling it into base fighter and stacking other subclass features onto it defeats the goal
Chris, you are such a valuable member of the community, and unfortunately, some people will never know. So on their and my behalf, thank you, sir. You have taught us all so much and changed our way of going about thinking of this game.
I can’t believe they aren’t including Quick Toss… it was literally my favorite maneuver. I love the idea of a thrown weapons master… but they just get no love. The best you can do is use the new fighting style that was introduced that gives them +2 damage, multiclass to get the archery fighting style, and use darts with the sharpshooter feat. That makes them on par with using a longbow. With the changes in sharpshooter and without the inclusion of quick toss, I fear that just like in 2014, trying to make a thrown weapons master will be useless.
@@shadow-faye Yeah, but thrown weapon master already let you do that. It was really easy to multiclass battlemaster and gloomstalker at mid-tier (level 9) for 7 attacks (+6 ) with advantage dart attacks that did 1d4+17 damage(+2d8+superiority die). Then use precision attack for any that would miss and menacing attack on any of your last attacks for anything that survived.
The Heroic inspiration change makes Musician and Human such great options if those are the same as Playtest. The ability to get a pretty free reroll on Hit die is kinda nutty.
@@petergriffin9554 They did specify that it's been changed to be allowed on any roll anywhere from a d20 check, to a healing roll on Cure Wounds, to a DM asking you to roll 1d100 without explanation. That said, the hit point increase at level-up seems like it should be an exception due to its permanent nature.
Thank god for the surprise changes. I’m running a game right now and I have to be super careful about when players can surprise enemies (to be fair one of the players is a bugbear with alert and a twilight cleric who always boosts his initiative so that makes it even more impactful). I either need to have the enemies be far more numerous than normal just so the combat isn’t a cake walk done before enemies take a turn, or (and this is what I’ve started doing) is making it so enemies aren’t really able to be surprised because they’re standing guard or otherwise aware they might be attacked, so players can start unseen and be untargetable until they’re seen and also get the benefits of being seen for their first attack, but they don’t get an entire round first.
not super accurate to relegate maneuvers to 1 subclass and to not give fighters many switchable utility/social tricks at each level and then compare fighters/martials to any caster class in terms of versatility. even in this edition it still seems fighters don't have many non-combat mechanics for using knowledge that a career soldier or mercenary would have.
I really enjoy the style of commentary you provide on what Jeremy is saying and revealing. The pause never outstays its welcome and provides amplifying insight that ties the big picture together nicely. Thanks for doing what you do, man.
"Jag håller fortfarande tummarna"(fingers crossed) that my favorit feats from Tasha isn't nullified or ignored! like "Crusher" or "Slasher"! Because I have had a lot of fun with a monk with the "crusher" feat!
I feel them saying they didn’t want to put a bunch of maneuvers on the base class is a little contradictory when they implemented weapon mastery… but it’s not a system just for them, but for all martials. It just seems weapon mastery is a more limited selection and limiting it to weapon type. You could have done the same for fighter base line manuvers. They could have only had a choice of 2 maneuvers out of 5 or 6 pre selected manuvers. The battle master could have just owned that mechanic of the fighter and have a much wider array of manuvers at their disposal. I’m not mad we never got manuvers for baseline fighters, just disappointed. The weapon mastery is still a system a player has to think about, and it adds some depth, it works, just isn’t what I wished for.
I mean even with two it's still would greatly complicate the class. And battlemaster being the high skill fighter option, while the others were for low levels of complexity is a fair assesment. Cause I've been trying out new systems and having the most simple class(fighter) be complicated sucks
I like Tactical Mastery, although it slightly makes weapons that already have one of the three masteries worse for Fighters, as you basically miss out on one Mastery Option. I guess the best weapons to use from that point are weapons that don't trigger their mastery on a hit like Graze or Nick. Lots of fun new theory crafting :) also I'm totally gonna play a Fighter 1/ Monk X with a Nick Weapon giving me three attacks every round at level 2 (unless they change something from the UA so this won't work)
As a mad champion fighter enjoyer, I am completely delighted with the changes. If i wanted to look at a menu I wouldn't have picked fighter, and advantage on athletics checks to my eyes is the kind of versatility I always wanted. I always got tempted by a barb multiclass just for that ability, as it lets you wander around the battlefield basically doing shenanigans. A few rerolls on top and it actually might be worth toppling statues or shove-kiting for example, and to me more attacks = more shenanigans = more versatility. so champ has more than any other option in the game, at least if the fluff-versatility that I enjoy coming up with
So with the loss of Brawler, the new Fighter subclass dyads appear to be Champion (straight forward fighter) vs Battlemaster (tactical Fighter) and Eldritch Knight (arcane/learned magic fighter vs Psi Warrior (psionic/innate “magic” fighter).
I used to play this game called Earthdawn. the way they handled the martial-caster divide was twofold. first off, all classes were somewhat magical in nature, and secondly spells, although powerful, usually took a couple of turns to set up. you might cast a minor spell every turn, or you could work up to a bigger spell that might take 2 or 3 turns before you can cast. things like crits would speed things up.
Honestly these wotc videos are giving some really weird messaging on the books when they keep going "Look at all these new things!" when for 90% of the quantifiable content is just PHB+Tasha's
I know Colby from d4 D&D Deep Dive loves to multiclass when building characters in order to combine a lot of powerful features to get some fun synergies. But now I wonder how his videos might change now that higher level features are so powerful and desirable. Same with Chris here. His knowledge of the game feels encyclopedic to me. I can't wait to see the synergies he finds between and within classes.
Chris I wash thinking about your subclass rankings and wanted to know if there are any S tier or D tier and lower classes/subclasses left. I think everything being between an A and a C being a much healthier system.
Alt covers are through brick and mortar shops only, at least until the secondary market gets ahold of some. I called my local game store and they took my info down and said they'd let me know when the alt covers come in.
I respectfully disagree on this new surprise mechanic. Yes, surprise could trivialize an encounter. That's why ninjas, assassins, and several thousand years of military strategy employ surprise as much as possible. Because not every single combat encounter *should* be a big brawl.
Combine this new rule with Assassin Rogues no longer getting an auto-crit on surprise (so much for full compatibility), I feel like some people at WotC don't understand what an assassin is. If you don't want that in a game, fine, but why keep something called and Assassin if it's not an assassin?
Im very glad they changed the surprise mechanics. I had a character die because he failed his perception check. Against a stealthy beast. Whats more, is it stops the confusion of "surprise round" where some people thought it wasnt even an official combat round.
I do not like the new surprise mechanics. I like using surprise to give my players a fair shot against overwhelming odds. I rarely use it for fair fights. Sometimes I use it for spec ops type ambushes against easy targets.
So Crawford’s favorite class the warrior, sees the Eldritch knight subclass with no spell school restrictions casting a leveled spell, a cantrip and attacking with their weapon attack all while keeping their bonus action free. Meanwhile straight class Paladin completely cucked.
I would disagree with what you said about 2014 Assassins and the new Surprise. In my mind, 2014 Assassins might actually need to be nerfed because: if I have an enemy roll initiative with disadvantage because of 2024 "Surprise", then that enemy IS Surpised. And that "Surprised" state doesnt go away unless they have some way to change their initiative roll after the fact. So a 2014 Assassin would just be guaranteed critting on every hit all throughout combat. That's just how my mind interprets/rules the interaction at first glance.
I have to say that I'm a little upset that they opened up the Arcane Trickster's spell list. I kinda liked how playing it had you feeling like a normal rogue but with a focus on illusions, as opposed to just taking all the best spells. Can still be played that way but it's hard when optimizing to not just take all the best spells instead of grabbing a handful of fun illusion spells because you have no other options
They indicate rebalancing and buffing some maneuvers, which I'm a bit confused by. Sweeping Attack has been a joke forever, and the playtest retained it the exact same. If they were aware of that, and agreed it should be buffed, why not do it earlier? There's a lot that could be done with it (scrapped in favor of Cleave mastery, mimicking that effect, do SD to all creatures around you etc.), and I'd expect playtesting to help figure out which direction to take it. Definitely hopeful that they've struck a good balance in the final version, but the playtest material doesn't give me much faith on that.
I love your stuff, but I'm 100% not a fan of the surprise nerf. It takes like 30 minutes for players to decide on how to stealth and to come up with interesting tactics and placement and to finally make all their stealth checks, and none of that is worth it for enemies getting disadvantage on initiative checks. You certainly don't have to make everything in a game "realistic," but the single greatest advantage in any real-world combat (besides technology) is surprise. So this much of a nerf makes it feel like DMs are just going to say "We don't 'waste' any time on surprise checks, so just rush in and start fighting." Even if they'd granted a reflexive advantage to surprisers and disadvantage to the surprised to initiative, that'd have been better, but dang. First big thing I've heard of in this edition that I really don't like.
The guy: "We gave fighter the same level of versatility with their weapons that wizards have with their spells." Literally everyone else: "Oh, so you gave them 400 unique fighting styles, masteries, and maneuvers, and they can take 20+ of them as they level, and swap them around, and gain even more from practicing with other fighters?"
I dislike the new 2024 "surprised" rule, which is just disadvantage on initiative roll. I'd hate to see a surprised enemy roll double 15s and beat everyone in the party to the attack. I'd rather see it be -X to initiative, meaning that if surprised, there is a good chance that some of the opponents will beat the surprised enemy. So what value for X would be appropriate? I don't know. Or maybe have the surprised entity be affected like Slow for the 1st round? Right now I'm thinking that the entity that is surprised could be given an option: Take a 1 on initiative and act normally or roll for initiative normally but suffer the affects of Slow for the 1st round. This gives the affected individual a tactical decision to make based on their immediate assessment of the situation. I'd like to play-test this at some point and I'd love to hear alternate suggestions.
Surprise new rules are kind of problematic? It didn't exactly fix the issue. It now gives permanent advantage to ALL combat rounds. So a high dexterity character can't recover from being surprised. They will technically be surprised for all rounds.
The wording on Improved/War Magic in Playtest 7 uses different language than the Bladesinger's extra attack, and don't suggest any usage limitations. Is this unclear wording that has been updated in the book, or are we meant to be able to cast 2 spells or cast 2-4 cantrips in place of attacks on the same attack action? Noticing this same language on the breath weapons for updated Dragonborn and the Dragon Moon in Fizban's
One theme that I think is a bit... hm ... not sure how I feel about this: Every expendable resource (second wind, sneak attack damage dice, Ki, ....) now us universalized. Now every class can now do... pretty much anything. I feel like that steals the uniqueness of classes a bit cause if everyboda can do anything, then noone is really special. So you just end up with one or two classes that you can just optimize the shit out of and... thats it.
I don’t think I’ll ever play a fighter. Why on earth would I ever play someone who bonks someone with a stick. In a fantasy game. I want magic. I want all the magic. But. There is an argument to be made that it’s a good thing a low complexity class to exist. I wouldn’t ever want it. I don’t believe Chris would ever play it. But there are more than a few players out there who don’t want to get down and dirty with the rules of metamagic or 790 different wizard spells. They legitimately just want to run around with their friends and bonk shit with a stick. And that is absolutely valid and it’s important that it’s there.
On surprise rounds. "Why are we even fighting this?", yeah thats the point. I feel like the new rules are so lame. If the players got the jup on someone they should be rewarded for it. I was hoping we finally got an actual surprise round to ACTUALLY have useful asassins. Besides, if players getting surprised makes them sweat, the better, it adds depths to the game IMO. I love the new barbarian subclass, and the weapon masteries are cool, but i feel like most of the changes they did that are not popular houserules are a step back, in the cool factor at least
I don’t understand why he didn’t talk about indomitable, and i’m guessing what you’re alluding to at 21:08 Hopefully it remained the same as in the playtest
Keep up the great work! Can’t wait to see some updated build guides and perk coverage once the books come out! Has WOTC said anything (that you are allowed to discuss) about future books? Updated Echo Knight or new classes always on my mind! 🦖🔥
I really find it silly that the level 9 feature is linked to weapon masteries. So now I never want to be wielding a weapon that inherently has one of those properties. Just give it as a feature independent of weapon properties. "When you hit an enemy with an attack you can choose to: - push it 10 feet - give it disadvantage on the next attack roll it would make, that wouldn't otherwise have disadvantage, this benefit is lost if the enemy does not make a qualifying attack before your next turn - slow it 10 feet." All these stack with weapon properties. Now I can go all in on pushing, or I can push and slow etc. Anyway, pity they did it like they did.
I have to say, I am really pessimistic about this release. They clearly needed more time that WotC didn't permit them, and in addition to swathes of cool new ideas being axed, we're just getting copy-pasted content from old books. It feels like even calling this 5.5 is generous.
surprise on changes makes PWT much worse. the number of encounters where PWT is worth the spell slot is now much smaller. I feel now PWT is only viable in encounters where the party can sneak pass and skip the encounter without suffering negatively later in the session . I have observed DM's often seek ways to bring skipped enemies back into a new encounter later in the session. I am putting PWT in the Meh category.
D&D24 sounds like a fun game to play. But combat turns will take even longer than before. We might be approaching 4e levels of complexity and analysis paralysis.
It always cracks me up when you stop the video because you've been dying to say something and then Jeremy says nearly the same exact thing, nearly word for word once you hit play again. (it happens often).
Hate this change to surprise. I get it that surprised condition may be too severe but it's just not worth trying to hide just for an advantage on initiative. It SHOULD be powerful to get the drop on an opponent attacking them before they even notice you, that makes a lot of sense.
Only problem with the feature that lets you use Push Sap or Slow with any weapon, is that weapons with those masteries are now inferior because you’re essentially getting one less mastery. For example why use a longsword which gets Sap, when a battleaxe gets Topple and also gets Sap at 9th level?
Minor spoilers TM: One of the options from Tasha’s is missing. Me: *pause* Guess I’d better go check! *looks* Ah, brace! Yeah that was niche. TM: Actually let’s go look at Tasha’s. Me: Haha he’s doing the same look! TM: Yeah, Quick Toss. Me: Wait, Quick Toss too?! Also, I’m now dying to know about the new net.
It sounds like Champion Fighters completely lost their regeneration abilities, replaced with nothing comparable since they already had crit success death saves. Or did I miss something?
I think that at least the champion should get the ability to swap fighting styles once per short or long rest, and at later levels gain the ability to have two active at once. This would make the champion a more versatile fighter to go with the theme that they are the most fighter fighter sub class. You could change from a more offensive fighting style to a protective fighting style to defend an important npc, or to an archery fighting style if you are planning an ambush, essentially your fighting style would become like a prepared spell.
Does suprise give the attackers advantage on initiative rolls? If not, I feel like we have lost a good part of tactical gameplay. If a suprised creature can still beat your initiative, why bother going through the extra hour of tactical prep at the table?
surprise sounds pretty lame now. put all the effort into an ambush and they just have a high chance of going last in initiative. it needed changed but that version doesnt seem worth engaging with, especially with so many features boosting initiative. a lot of the other stuff sounds pretty cool though.
All of this fighter utility and upgrade makes me warry for the rogue. I always worry for the rogue. :o Nerfing surprise also reduces the value of the entire scout role. :o
New? :D The 5.0 rogue is the best interpretation of the rogue from any edition, but it still feels weak. The bard and artificer match its utility. In combat it does ok damage, but compared to how much of a glass cannon it is, far from enough damage. I hope for change.
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I really find it fun watching Chris do these videos knowing that he knows everything in the book, but making sure to not give anything away, even with his facial expressions. But then as soon as Jeremy reveals something and it's considered "public knowledge" he springs into action and we get that deep analysis we all love. Very much looking forward to all his reaction videos that'll be coming out as more is revealed, awesome job!
My favorite is when we see the cut that tells us he did reveal something and had to hastily re-uncover it
Totally agreeeee. There isn't a single other person- not even Crawford or anyone else on the design team- I'm more interested in hearing analysis from than Chris. He's not even industry standard, he's the whole industry for me!
It’s like watching a Manchurian candidate hear their trigger phrase 😂
Its my favorite thing LOL. I hope he gets every book early so we can always experience that
Hear, hear!
The surprise stuff was a big shock to me and… I *think* I like it? But I’m not 100% yet.
It's always great to see when my friends watch my videos. Hey Colby!
I love it, especially given how easy it is to get Advantage on the PC side, so you can end up with quite a divide.
Along with hiding, Surprise is one of the most often misruled rules of 5E. I've seen everything from attacks 'outside of initiative because you're surprised' to 'surprise rounds' nonsense. Hopefully this stops some of that nonsense, but I doubt it.
It's also really easy to get ambushed by monsters, which I think makes the PCs being able to get advantage fairly easily more valuable @@PsyrenXY
I think the change went too far. I would have kept at least advantage on attacks against surprised combatants and added disadvantage to attacks by surprised combatants.
I m glad Chris is here to point out when "more options" means "copy pasted feom Tashas"
They keep repeating the phrase "more options than in 2014" and it feels sooooo misleading with the Way they say it.
As if we haven't had these options for years already
@@MrSeals1000they do generally go on to clarify (at least here after they said that, they then elaborated that it was basically stuff from Tasha’s) but I agree it is a bit misleading
I agree, it is unfortunately misleading, but I've also noticed with a lot of people I know have not read or use/own Tasha's or even Xanathar's. So, for them they are going to get a huge amount of new content. 😅
How the fuck is it misleading when he literally states that it's a new feature in RELATION to the 2014 phb? He literally states that the features are coming from Tasha right after he explains what it is
I love even more how they keep saying graduated to the PHB.
It's the opposite. The PHB has graduated to Tasha's
20:20 well, i think the meaning of his statement is - "you want to be versatile with spells - be a wizard. You want to be versatile with weapons/martially be a fighter" not that they are equally versatile but one uses spells and the other weapons.
I agree with that.
@@TreantmonksTempleDo you think fighters should have the same level of versatility, and if so how do you achieve that while being distinct from spells?
@odie4495 spellcasting in dungeons and dragons is uniquely strong and versatile compared to other games
There was no martial/caster divide in 4e, that is what it would look like, all casters are identical, and they have the same number of spells and abilities as every other class in the game.
Oh and then D&D could never print new spells either, only new classes and new subclasses, which I personally hate the idea of
The other way would be what Pack tactics perports, give martials martial slots and martial casting, in super human ways which has no real distinguishing game mechanics to spells
There are ways to differentiate them in other games, but those all have very strict things that spellcasters can and cannot do, and it culls their versatility into the ground
My favourite class is wizard, i would very much dislike that outcome.
@@nyanbrox5418the other major IP in the RPG niche is world of darkness and chronicles of darkness and mages in those systems are considered massively overpowered. It's not just a D&D thing
@@odie4495 by playing DC20 instead of D&D is one way to achieve comparable versatility for martials 😅
I'm glad to hear that the improvements to -Indomitable- an unnamed Fighter feature appear to be safe. ;)
Wink!
Indomitable updates where posted on dnd beyond. I think that was refering to action surge not allowing the magic option.
Take a drink every time Crawford says “tactical”.
Hydration is good for everyone. Thanks for spreading awareness.
@@williamwalton9154 yes well hydration is good at all just make sure not to over hydrate.
I'm trying this, 5:55 to 6:22 I'm drowning.
Also spewing that amount of adjectives is filler instead of saying something with substance.
@@anders630I find Crawford hard to listen to. He ends up coming off as super smug. Having Chris redact it helps a ton.
19:45 It think he meant that as "The Fighter is the Wizard of martials" the only requirement being "Having the most versatility among the martials".
I would agree with that
A pretty low bar lol
@@LuizCesarFariaLC Yeah, but it's a thematic goal achieved.
It is promising to see Treantmonk so excited about the book already having read it. His excitement is infecting me.
So at level 9, a fighter can choose to use a weapon with the Graze property. Which will have an effect no matter what the roll result is. However, on a hit you can then choose to use one of the push, sap or slow. That seems pretty powerful
Yep. I think D&D combat will only last about one round now.
But that effect just deals ability modifier damage. I'm not sure if it would count as a hit in order to trigger Weapon Mastery properties.
What they were saying is that you can use a weapon with a property that only works on a miss, which thus does nothing extra on a hit, with the new level 9 thing where you can add a dofferent property if you hit. That way if you hit you get to pick one of those bonus masteries but if you miss you still get your weapon's original mastery @@TheYellowMask5421
@@TheYellowMask5421he means that they use graze, which only triggers on a miss, but if they happen to hit instead of missing then they could choose to use one of the 3 masteries. So basically they get a mastery on hit or miss, which does seem pretty solid.
We’ll see what the specific wording is though, you might have to decide before the attack is made to use the level 9 feature
I disagree. I'll wait until we see the monster manual for that. Because they could have reworked alot of the monsters. @@TheTerrainWizard
I can get used to this many TM videos pr day ☺️👏🏻
I started watching the fighter video but then figured I’d wait to watch with Chris lol
@@minikawildflower I did the same thing. Why watch it twice?
Thinking I'll house rule Topple to just be "if you beat their AC by 5+, it happens". Fewer rolls and it makes narrative sense.
Topple not able to take advantage of the mastery with Reach weapons at 10' range. Attacking a prone target farther than 5' gives disadvantage.
Each 5 rule, like in DC20?? Can't help but feel more excited for THAT, rather than the 2024 updates to 5e now...
Edit: for you lot clowning me about Pathfinder, I've never played it so my knowledge is limited so sue me 😅
To keep in the spirit of the con save you could also do 10 + Con Mod + Proficiency (if they are proficient in con saves).
@@bigaj6901 Or like in Pathfinder which you can play right now.
@marcducorsky8736 how would this ever matter, just take a single step forwards
You’re fast! Grateful for your thoughtful insights. I’m sure it is driving you crazy to have to sit on so many things till the NDA expires.
If I had hair, I would have pulled it out
You can really tell how eager Chris is to tell us all of the details on the new phb. Thank you for your dedication!!
My pleasure!
There are some great changes in there that aren't in the playtest even.
The champion stuff is defintely more interesting.
Eldritch Knight being able to give up Two attacks for a level 1 or 2 spell cast.
Your videos are like Christmas and to get Christmas 3 times in 2 days has been a treat! Thank you😁
38:16 I love how he gave it away, without giving it away. He knows what that page says, he also knows that his patrons got it right word for word.
Oooooo 5.24, I’ve never seen that way of calling it but I like it a lot! I’ve been calling it 5.5 but I think 5.24 is a better compromise
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Anyone else think fighters should get their 4th attack at 17th level to match cantrip scaling? I think they deserve a much more interesting 20th level feature
Poor fighters, having to wait _9_ levels before their next boost in actual power. Meanwhile all casters get a new tier of power every 2 levels 😂
100%. Everyone loves how fighters get loads of attacks, WOTC should let fighters actually play some sessions with them hey?
@@MrSeals1000They probably nerfed the OP spells this time round. So hopefully more balance...
where were you during the playtest? seriously this is a good suggestion
@@verdurite unfortunately just me would likely not be enough to get in the suggestion
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The surprise rules are a very clever simple way to do it, it has a similar flow to what you want surprise to do, which is one side having a chance to act first which can be HUGE, but it doesn’t mean they get a whole round to themselves
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You can use Heroic Inspiration on sorcerer magic surge.
Shame they didn't mention the actual reason why they didn't just merge battlemaster back into the base class is because they still want to keep the class as simple as possible for new players instead of using a system they already have in place that can be used to help a new player learn how to play, Sidekicks.
I'm very happy to hear about Epic Boons and how they work. Them allowing scores to go above 20, but only giving you a +1, means you don't necessarily have to max out your important stat ASAP, if you're playing that far. That means you can be more flexible with the feats you pick as you level up, as opposed to hinging upon Ability Score Improvement specifically.
With all normal feats now giving +1 (as per the playtest), you probably should still be at 20 in your most important stat before reaching level 19, though. Taking the ASI feat for +2 will probably be a much rarer pick in 5.24E than it was before, since feats are still roughly all 5E full-feat power (other than eliminating the -5/+10 mechanics of Sharpshooter and Great Weapon Master) level while also being what 5E players would refer to as half-feats. ...All of that is to say, it's no longer a choice, you can make just abut any fun and thematic feat selections you want and still favor the mathematical side at the same time.
@@Shalakor that's also true.
Stoked for protection style boost! I love the idea of the meat wall protector but 5e doesnt have a super great option to play that appropriately
At level 11, you can combine topple, push and slow in one round. Make enemies prone, slow them then push them back. Step back a little bit and the average enemy won’t be able to reach you. Or you can just PAM reaction attack them. Could be great at kiting/totally scuppering enemies
Me the dm throwing 2 enemies at you
Agreed. Auto push back makes combat pointless, stupid and a waste of time. A low level warlock can easily defeat a clay golem without taking damage.
I think D&D is moving more towards being family friendly and “cozy” and away from, grit, combat, or character death.
@@TheTerrainWizard ???
@@yuvalgabay1023combine it with Pam and sentinel and now you need to use 3 (!) enemies
@@bulldozer8950 You only have one reaction per turn
Sorry for the double comment. But I am so insanely excited to play an Eldritch Knight. It does exactly what I want. I want to be level 11, get 3 attacks, and use one of those attacks to cast Booming Blade. Or use 2 attacks and fell an enemy then throw a firebolt at another enemy out of range. I don't care about the divide between martials and casters. I just really like the flavor of the Eldritch Knight.
Holy cow the EK changes went through, that's awesome.
Is the Epic boon written in a way such that you need to reach 19th level in a class to get, or you just have to be character level 19?
Also do the barb and monk level 20 ASI conflict with the epic boon increases, or do they account for that by increasing the maximum instead of setting it, or ignoring it altogether?
It’s just a feat/ASI. So you’d have to have 19 levels in a certain class to get it.
I’m imagining an Eldritch Knight with the Magic Initiate feat taking the Eldritch Blast cantrip and just going to town.
Yep, I see that with bladesingers pretty often already
It's really disappointing how often that they're using the loophole/technicality of "xyz is new!" Because it is technically new to the PHB, only because it wasn't in the 2014 version, it was published in Tasha's or MotM or something.
Not only is it disappointing on general principles, but it's almost a little worrying because if they thought the perception of being fresh & new was important.... they could have just done so.
I like your description of "technically correct" because it is, but it's also misleading...but that's why I'm here! Set the record straight.
... still think that they could have incorporated the champion into the base kit and give the subclass something new. Increasing the crot range, while nice, only really gives you additional 5% chances. So with a 19-20, you have two 5% chances.
Weapon mastery helps branch the fighter out, but how many players are actually going to use multiple weapons instead of just sticking to one? (Either great sword or rapier depending on build.) Granting the three masteries to all weapons is neat, but diminishes the appeal of mastering the weapons with those traits.
The spell school restrictions I didn't mind because they made sense with the subclasses.
Using two attacks for a 1-2nd level spell, with your limited spell slots, seems kind of meh but neat to me.
Also I usually have one best weapon, not sure I will have 2-3 to juggle
Imagine you fight undead. You would use Protection from Good and Evil to give them disadvantage on attacks. Now normally this would consume your whole attack and then you'd use your bonus action to attack once. Now you consume two attacks and have 1 or 2 attacks left in the action. You can also use cantrip on the same turn as well as bonus action. If you have polearm master, you can still atta k with bonus action. So anyway this new war magic is miles better
The niche of champion is for people who don't want many features/don't want to think, so rolling it into base fighter and stacking other subclass features onto it defeats the goal
@@MisterCynic18 I see the logic, but I don't think that's a good goal, since base fighter is already so... Basic?
Just finished the video and refreshed my feed to see this, 2x speed time
Chris, you are such a valuable member of the community, and unfortunately, some people will never know. So on their and my behalf, thank you, sir. You have taught us all so much and changed our way of going about thinking of this game.
Lots of new options? If by new they mean rehashed options from tasha's, then yeah, I guess.
I can’t believe they aren’t including Quick Toss… it was literally my favorite maneuver. I love the idea of a thrown weapons master… but they just get no love. The best you can do is use the new fighting style that was introduced that gives them +2 damage, multiclass to get the archery fighting style, and use darts with the sharpshooter feat. That makes them on par with using a longbow. With the changes in sharpshooter and without the inclusion of quick toss, I fear that just like in 2014, trying to make a thrown weapons master will be useless.
It's a little better though since you can draw weapons as part of an attack and nick exists
@@shadow-faye Yeah, but thrown weapon master already let you do that. It was really easy to multiclass battlemaster and gloomstalker at mid-tier (level 9) for 7 attacks (+6 ) with advantage dart attacks that did 1d4+17 damage(+2d8+superiority die). Then use precision attack for any that would miss and menacing attack on any of your last attacks for anything that survived.
@@danielwitmer3655 you don't need a fighting style for it now
I noticed that there's an article on D&D Beyond now that includes the Indomitable change, which wasn't in the video.
The Heroic inspiration change makes Musician and Human such great options if those are the same as Playtest. The ability to get a pretty free reroll on Hit die is kinda nutty.
Pretty sure it specifies D20 Test, so no reroll when leveling up.
@@petergriffin9554 They did specify that it's been changed to be allowed on any roll anywhere from a d20 check, to a healing roll on Cure Wounds, to a DM asking you to roll 1d100 without explanation. That said, the hit point increase at level-up seems like it should be an exception due to its permanent nature.
Thank god for the surprise changes. I’m running a game right now and I have to be super careful about when players can surprise enemies (to be fair one of the players is a bugbear with alert and a twilight cleric who always boosts his initiative so that makes it even more impactful). I either need to have the enemies be far more numerous than normal just so the combat isn’t a cake walk done before enemies take a turn, or (and this is what I’ve started doing) is making it so enemies aren’t really able to be surprised because they’re standing guard or otherwise aware they might be attacked, so players can start unseen and be untargetable until they’re seen and also get the benefits of being seen for their first attack, but they don’t get an entire round first.
not super accurate to relegate maneuvers to 1 subclass
and to not give fighters many switchable utility/social tricks at each level
and then compare fighters/martials to any caster class in terms of versatility.
even in this edition it still seems fighters don't have many non-combat mechanics for using knowledge that a career soldier or mercenary would have.
I always used quick toss to throw a dart as a finisher with my battlemaster "gunslinger" build. It will be sorely missed.
I really enjoy the style of commentary you provide on what Jeremy is saying and revealing. The pause never outstays its welcome and provides amplifying insight that ties the big picture together nicely. Thanks for doing what you do, man.
But how do YOU feel about the new martial/caster divide? 🤔🤔🤔
Lets go!
"Jag håller fortfarande tummarna"(fingers crossed) that my favorit feats from Tasha isn't nullified or ignored!
like "Crusher" or "Slasher"!
Because I have had a lot of fun with a monk with the "crusher" feat!
I feel them saying they didn’t want to put a bunch of maneuvers on the base class is a little contradictory when they implemented weapon mastery… but it’s not a system just for them, but for all martials. It just seems weapon mastery is a more limited selection and limiting it to weapon type. You could have done the same for fighter base line manuvers. They could have only had a choice of 2 maneuvers out of 5 or 6 pre selected manuvers. The battle master could have just owned that mechanic of the fighter and have a much wider array of manuvers at their disposal. I’m not mad we never got manuvers for baseline fighters, just disappointed. The weapon mastery is still a system a player has to think about, and it adds some depth, it works, just isn’t what I wished for.
I mean even with two it's still would greatly complicate the class. And battlemaster being the high skill fighter option, while the others were for low levels of complexity is a fair assesment. Cause I've been trying out new systems and having the most simple class(fighter) be complicated sucks
I like Tactical Mastery, although it slightly makes weapons that already have one of the three masteries worse for Fighters, as you basically miss out on one Mastery Option. I guess the best weapons to use from that point are weapons that don't trigger their mastery on a hit like Graze or Nick. Lots of fun new theory crafting :) also I'm totally gonna play a Fighter 1/ Monk X with a Nick Weapon giving me three attacks every round at level 2 (unless they change something from the UA so this won't work)
As a mad champion fighter enjoyer, I am completely delighted with the changes. If i wanted to look at a menu I wouldn't have picked fighter, and advantage on athletics checks to my eyes is the kind of versatility I always wanted. I always got tempted by a barb multiclass just for that ability, as it lets you wander around the battlefield basically doing shenanigans. A few rerolls on top and it actually might be worth toppling statues or shove-kiting for example, and to me more attacks = more shenanigans = more versatility. so champ has more than any other option in the game, at least if the fluff-versatility that I enjoy coming up with
So with the loss of Brawler, the new Fighter subclass dyads appear to be Champion (straight forward fighter) vs Battlemaster (tactical Fighter) and Eldritch Knight (arcane/learned magic fighter vs Psi Warrior (psionic/innate “magic” fighter).
Can you say if War Magic still specifies 'Wizard Cantrip'? Big sad if it does.
Live Treantmonk's Temple reaction be like: :)
The best part of the video are his grins!
I used to play this game called Earthdawn. the way they handled the martial-caster divide was twofold. first off, all classes were somewhat magical in nature, and secondly spells, although powerful, usually took a couple of turns to set up. you might cast a minor spell every turn, or you could work up to a bigger spell that might take 2 or 3 turns before you can cast. things like crits would speed things up.
Honestly these wotc videos are giving some really weird messaging on the books when they keep going "Look at all these new things!" when for 90% of the quantifiable content is just PHB+Tasha's
I know Colby from d4 D&D Deep Dive loves to multiclass when building characters in order to combine a lot of powerful features to get some fun synergies. But now I wonder how his videos might change now that higher level features are so powerful and desirable.
Same with Chris here. His knowledge of the game feels encyclopedic to me. I can't wait to see the synergies he finds between and within classes.
Chris I wash thinking about your subclass rankings and wanted to know if there are any S tier or D tier and lower classes/subclasses left. I think everything being between an A and a C being a much healthier system.
You can bet this will fuel RUclips creators for at least a year after publication.
Are the alternative covers available for preorder on D&DBeyond? If not, how can I go about snagging those?
Alt covers are through brick and mortar shops only, at least until the secondary market gets ahold of some. I called my local game store and they took my info down and said they'd let me know when the alt covers come in.
Psi Warrior: Twist on battlemaster. :o
I respectfully disagree on this new surprise mechanic. Yes, surprise could trivialize an encounter. That's why ninjas, assassins, and several thousand years of military strategy employ surprise as much as possible. Because not every single combat encounter *should* be a big brawl.
Combine this new rule with Assassin Rogues no longer getting an auto-crit on surprise (so much for full compatibility), I feel like some people at WotC don't understand what an assassin is. If you don't want that in a game, fine, but why keep something called and Assassin if it's not an assassin?
A change this big is going to be divisive for sure. Some will love it (me) some won't.
Im very glad they changed the surprise mechanics. I had a character die because he failed his perception check. Against a stealthy beast. Whats more, is it stops the confusion of "surprise round" where some people thought it wasnt even an official combat round.
I think Colby did a Quick Toss focused build... not sure if I saw it used anywhere else out there.
Was really hoping for bigger psi warrior changes
I do not like the new surprise mechanics. I like using surprise to give my players a fair shot against overwhelming odds. I rarely use it for fair fights. Sometimes I use it for spec ops type ambushes against easy targets.
It's not a second wind if you get more than one lol
Why cap the spell lvl of the EK? They have so few anyways lol.... blade singer still a better EK than EK
I thought the same thing. So lame we still need house rules for quality of life.
I’m guessing psi dice scale with level instead of PB.
So Crawford’s favorite class the warrior, sees the Eldritch knight subclass with no spell school restrictions casting a leveled spell, a cantrip and attacking with their weapon attack all while keeping their bonus action free. Meanwhile straight class Paladin completely cucked.
Not to mention rerolling every failed save. Who needs and aura, right.
Did the spells get some of the attention you were hoping for? Shaving down the broken peaks and filling in some useless valleys?
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Nuh uh! 🤣
I would disagree with what you said about 2014 Assassins and the new Surprise. In my mind, 2014 Assassins might actually need to be nerfed because: if I have an enemy roll initiative with disadvantage because of 2024 "Surprise", then that enemy IS Surpised. And that "Surprised" state doesnt go away unless they have some way to change their initiative roll after the fact. So a 2014 Assassin would just be guaranteed critting on every hit all throughout combat.
That's just how my mind interprets/rules the interaction at first glance.
I have to say that I'm a little upset that they opened up the Arcane Trickster's spell list. I kinda liked how playing it had you feeling like a normal rogue but with a focus on illusions, as opposed to just taking all the best spells. Can still be played that way but it's hard when optimizing to not just take all the best spells instead of grabbing a handful of fun illusion spells because you have no other options
I'm pretty excited for 5.5e
I use the dwarven thrower in my current dnd character and quick toss was super powerful with that so I’m sad to see it gone
They indicate rebalancing and buffing some maneuvers, which I'm a bit confused by. Sweeping Attack has been a joke forever, and the playtest retained it the exact same. If they were aware of that, and agreed it should be buffed, why not do it earlier? There's a lot that could be done with it (scrapped in favor of Cleave mastery, mimicking that effect, do SD to all creatures around you etc.), and I'd expect playtesting to help figure out which direction to take it. Definitely hopeful that they've struck a good balance in the final version, but the playtest material doesn't give me much faith on that.
I love your stuff, but I'm 100% not a fan of the surprise nerf. It takes like 30 minutes for players to decide on how to stealth and to come up with interesting tactics and placement and to finally make all their stealth checks, and none of that is worth it for enemies getting disadvantage on initiative checks. You certainly don't have to make everything in a game "realistic," but the single greatest advantage in any real-world combat (besides technology) is surprise. So this much of a nerf makes it feel like DMs are just going to say "We don't 'waste' any time on surprise checks, so just rush in and start fighting." Even if they'd granted a reflexive advantage to surprisers and disadvantage to the surprised to initiative, that'd have been better, but dang. First big thing I've heard of in this edition that I really don't like.
The guy: "We gave fighter the same level of versatility with their weapons that wizards have with their spells."
Literally everyone else: "Oh, so you gave them 400 unique fighting styles, masteries, and maneuvers, and they can take 20+ of them as they level, and swap them around, and gain even more from practicing with other fighters?"
I dislike the new 2024 "surprised" rule, which is just disadvantage on initiative roll. I'd hate to see a surprised enemy roll double 15s and beat everyone in the party to the attack. I'd rather see it be -X to initiative, meaning that if surprised, there is a good chance that some of the opponents will beat the surprised enemy. So what value for X would be appropriate? I don't know. Or maybe have the surprised entity be affected like Slow for the 1st round?
Right now I'm thinking that the entity that is surprised could be given an option: Take a 1 on initiative and act normally or roll for initiative normally but suffer the affects of Slow for the 1st round. This gives the affected individual a tactical decision to make based on their immediate assessment of the situation. I'd like to play-test this at some point and I'd love to hear alternate suggestions.
Surprise new rules are kind of problematic? It didn't exactly fix the issue. It now gives permanent advantage to ALL combat rounds. So a high dexterity character can't recover from being surprised. They will technically be surprised for all rounds.
The wording on Improved/War Magic in Playtest 7 uses different language than the Bladesinger's extra attack, and don't suggest any usage limitations. Is this unclear wording that has been updated in the book, or are we meant to be able to cast 2 spells or cast 2-4 cantrips in place of attacks on the same attack action? Noticing this same language on the breath weapons for updated Dragonborn and the Dragon Moon in Fizban's
One theme that I think is a bit... hm ... not sure how I feel about this: Every expendable resource (second wind, sneak attack damage dice, Ki, ....) now us universalized. Now every class can now do... pretty much anything. I feel like that steals the uniqueness of classes a bit cause if everyboda can do anything, then noone is really special. So you just end up with one or two classes that you can just optimize the shit out of and... thats it.
I don’t think I’ll ever play a fighter. Why on earth would I ever play someone who bonks someone with a stick. In a fantasy game. I want magic. I want all the magic. But. There is an argument to be made that it’s a good thing a low complexity class to exist. I wouldn’t ever want it. I don’t believe Chris would ever play it. But there are more than a few players out there who don’t want to get down and dirty with the rules of metamagic or 790 different wizard spells. They legitimately just want to run around with their friends and bonk shit with a stick. And that is absolutely valid and it’s important that it’s there.
On surprise rounds. "Why are we even fighting this?", yeah thats the point. I feel like the new rules are so lame. If the players got the jup on someone they should be rewarded for it. I was hoping we finally got an actual surprise round to ACTUALLY have useful asassins. Besides, if players getting surprised makes them sweat, the better, it adds depths to the game IMO. I love the new barbarian subclass, and the weapon masteries are cool, but i feel like most of the changes they did that are not popular houserules are a step back, in the cool factor at least
I don’t understand why he didn’t talk about indomitable, and i’m guessing what you’re alluding to at 21:08
Hopefully it remained the same as in the playtest
All is good.
Keep up the great work! Can’t wait to see some updated build guides and perk coverage once the books come out! Has WOTC said anything (that you are allowed to discuss) about future books? Updated Echo Knight or new classes always on my mind! 🦖🔥
I really find it silly that the level 9 feature is linked to weapon masteries. So now I never want to be wielding a weapon that inherently has one of those properties.
Just give it as a feature independent of weapon properties. "When you hit an enemy with an attack you can choose to:
- push it 10 feet
- give it disadvantage on the next attack roll it would make, that wouldn't otherwise have disadvantage, this benefit is lost if the enemy does not make a qualifying attack before your next turn
- slow it 10 feet."
All these stack with weapon properties. Now I can go all in on pushing, or I can push and slow etc.
Anyway, pity they did it like they did.
I have to say, I am really pessimistic about this release. They clearly needed more time that WotC didn't permit them, and in addition to swathes of cool new ideas being axed, we're just getting copy-pasted content from old books. It feels like even calling this 5.5 is generous.
surprise on changes makes PWT much worse. the number of encounters where PWT is worth the spell slot is now much smaller. I feel now PWT is only viable in encounters where the party can sneak pass and skip the encounter without suffering negatively later in the session . I have observed DM's often seek ways to bring skipped enemies back into a new encounter later in the session. I am putting PWT in the Meh category.
D&D24 sounds like a fun game to play. But combat turns will take even longer than before. We might be approaching 4e levels of complexity and analysis paralysis.
It always cracks me up when you stop the video because you've been dying to say something and then Jeremy says nearly the same exact thing, nearly word for word once you hit play again. (it happens often).
Epic boons are basically useless. Nobody plays past level 10-12, and I doubt 5.5 will make the game better/more likely to be played into higher levels
Hate this change to surprise.
I get it that surprised condition may be too severe but it's just not worth trying to hide just for an advantage on initiative. It SHOULD be powerful to get the drop on an opponent attacking them before they even notice you, that makes a lot of sense.
Only problem with the feature that lets you use Push Sap or Slow with any weapon, is that weapons with those masteries are now inferior because you’re essentially getting one less mastery. For example why use a longsword which gets Sap, when a battleaxe gets Topple and also gets Sap at 9th level?
Minor spoilers
TM: One of the options from Tasha’s is missing.
Me: *pause* Guess I’d better go check! *looks* Ah, brace! Yeah that was niche.
TM: Actually let’s go look at Tasha’s.
Me: Haha he’s doing the same look!
TM: Yeah, Quick Toss.
Me: Wait, Quick Toss too?!
Also, I’m now dying to know about the new net.
The net rules can be found in the playtest
If you can get a good charisma score with a 2 to 3 level Warlock Dip on an Eldritch Knight the new War Magic could be amazing with Eldritch Blast.
It sounds like Champion Fighters completely lost their regeneration abilities, replaced with nothing comparable since they already had crit success death saves. Or did I miss something?
I think that at least the champion should get the ability to swap fighting styles once per short or long rest, and at later levels gain the ability to have two active at once. This would make the champion a more versatile fighter to go with the theme that they are the most fighter fighter sub class. You could change from a more offensive fighting style to a protective fighting style to defend an important npc, or to an archery fighting style if you are planning an ambush, essentially your fighting style would become like a prepared spell.
Does suprise give the attackers advantage on initiative rolls? If not, I feel like we have lost a good part of tactical gameplay. If a suprised creature can still beat your initiative, why bother going through the extra hour of tactical prep at the table?
What about the Brace and Grappling Strike maneuvers? Those were also introduced in Tasha's
I noticed this as well. Had hoped to see those move forward.
Grappling Strike would have needed changed with the new grapple mechanics, but Brace was a good way to get reaction attacks on a rogue
@@timjensen4320 hmm i suppose that is true. feels like an easy fix tho, i'll defs be homebrewing it back in for my battlemaster players
Wow. This really makes me thankful I'm into Pathfinder 2E right now!
surprise sounds pretty lame now. put all the effort into an ambush and they just have a high chance of going last in initiative. it needed changed but that version doesnt seem worth engaging with, especially with so many features boosting initiative. a lot of the other stuff sounds pretty cool though.
All of this fighter utility and upgrade makes me warry for the rogue. I always worry for the rogue. :o
Nerfing surprise also reduces the value of the entire scout role. :o
I think Rogue may end up the new "worst class" in this edition.
@@buxtehudemuzik I think it already was lmao
New? :D
The 5.0 rogue is the best interpretation of the rogue from any edition, but it still feels weak. The bard and artificer match its utility. In combat it does ok damage, but compared to how much of a glass cannon it is, far from enough damage. I hope for change.
Yeah........I think I'll just try DC20